Mark Ricciuto and the Crows spent years denying the reports, pressuring players to not speak out with potential of vilification by both the club & its fans and completely dismissing the clear trauma/ feelings of the players affected. And now ONLY apologies and accepts wrong doing years later after multiple past players have lifted the lid free from the workplace coercion. Disgusting. Needs to step down asap.
Josh and Eddie were already resilient men. They were AFL players that grew up in less than ideal circumstances. The whole team as Eddie said we're closer after Walsh's death, resilience. Did they really need this kind of camp?
Ricciuto is a great example of a an old school footy head who just doesn’t have the intellectual or emotional IQ to be in a position of power managing young men in the modern game. Every step of the way with this saga his comments have shown himself to be out of his depth, misaligned with the playing group and more interested in protecting his mates and sweeping it all under the carpet than investigating and having the ear of all the players. All his defences have not shown leadership, they’ve just alienated him from the club and highlighted his poor grasp of the whole episode.
He is a product of a club/corporation that was created from the boardroom not born from a community and believes he is bigger identity than the club itself.
Respected Riccuito as a player but he needs to go. All he's done for 4 years is cover his arse while the team fell apart. Crows supporters deserve better.
@@shaz464 ohhhh awesome and he summarised his claims at the start of the article. All claims which Adelaide have come out and apologized for in the last few weeks. "Adelaide Crows players were tied to trees, surrounded by fake automatic weapons and sledged with intensely personal details during the now-infamous 2018 training camp" Why you lying for? Bias is bad, didn't you know?
@@Nick-hx1uz neither she nor MCClure have been vindicated for reporting inaccurate things about the camp. That’s why channel 9 and The Age had to make retractions.
I wonder how much of the decision on the 'need' to do something akin to the camp, was purely based on the fact that they lost a GF? Obviously in retrospect this is easy to say, but losing to that Richmond team was no shameful event. Adelaide were probably the better team throughout that 2017 season, but that Richmond team went on to dominate for years to come. Losing to them in a GF shouldn't have been the catalyst for the camp.
Yes losing the gf broke their brains. I bet this type of camp was pretty typical back in the day like Cornes says, but whatever that time has passed now future gf losers will be reminded to keep their heads by this incident.
I would of liked this panel to comment on Graham Cornes article like they said they will get too. Cornes stated that he has been involved in tough camps and has heard about camps on the same page as this which never got the attention like this camp. Makes me wonder how many camps have broken playing groups and it all got swept under the rug.
They also shut affected and indigenous players out of the leadership group and isolated them, threatened them if they shared what happened (including legal threats) failed to act on doctors reports which detailed the effects of the camp. It was a cover up.
Adelaide should cop a penalty for this. The only penalty that will hurt us the loss of national draft picks. They should be stripped of their first round pick this year.
How is that remotely proportionate? The majority of those involved have been sacked and no longer work with the club. Also the crows didn't tamper with any AFL regulations regarding list management or salary cap
Cornes and Lloyd wouldn’t have a clue about trading players or their worth, of course rankine is worth 800k a yr; he is a superstar playing for an expansion club
Doesn't matter if he deserves it or not, it will be a media hit job. We have all witnessed the media push a club into a corner with consistent media pressure to force a discussion, this will be no different.
You do realise Ricciuto attacked the media when they first reported on it. Rather than being ‘forced’ into a discussion, it’s almost like Ricciuto shouldn’t have tried to sweep it under the rug and instead should have willingly addressed it at the time. He’s made his own bed. He’ll cop what he deserves
His job is to protect the players not throw them under the bus and and privately and publicly bury serious breaches of their welfare, and potentially the law. He needs to suffer the consequences, I’ll equipped to do any management job if players. I wonder if he would have got the job if he wasn’t an ex great …🙄
@@bayden99 part of their job is to hold people and clubs to account with shitty shady business like this. McClure, love him or hate him, lost his Quill award because of his coverage of this at the time, but he was proven to be right all along. He has a right to be angry and go hard because the club flat out lied and got the biggest broom they could find
if you are going to call out and cancel a guy over that camp, then call out a certain CEO and other players/staff still active, who over watched the Ben Cousins/Mainwaring train wreck and did absolutely nothing.
As a supporter of the crows it was shameful what has happened,but could not any of the players stand up and say we are not doing this ,they couldn't sack all of them.
We all have problems in life, Most of us just suck it up and get on with life, But when your life is so privileged as sportsmen , you forget about real people in real life who suffer real abuse, but Eddie stayed at the crows till the end of his career, if It was that bad he should of retired at the time,
The coach, CEO, head of football and half the club have left as a result. They have apologised so move on. Stop calling for heads. He who is without sin…
I would never recommend doubling down 👇 on anything that is blowing up in the media unless you're 100% in the right. But how else does Riccuto comes across except for old fashioned and a man's man. Out of date much?
Going to barrack for someone else next year. Don’t want to cheer for a bunch of LIARS or contribute anymore of my money 💰. Can’t wait to see these tools in public. LMAO.
you saying it's one-sided when your comment is one-sided lmao. Players were split into different groups and had different activities and forbidden from sharing
Gill and his family are part of the elite network of Adelaide and are staunch Crows supporters, that coupled with Sharing sponsorship with Toyota he may have been tasked with making the problem go away to save embarrassment for the national sponsor.
@@scottharris5101 The AFL is such a grubby organisation.I look at their major sponsors.MacDonalds, Coca Cola, Carlton and United.They promote unhealthy products
Paul isn't wrong though. Everyone hates that plastic, fake club. Fkin Camry Clowns. You're always racist down there in Adelaide as well. Bloody ferals.
@@jameswrappner4624 My feelings are that im just loving watching your outdated backwater club implode, is there anything better in life than Tex Walker flying home with an empty seat next to him ?
Mark Ricciuto and the Crows spent years denying the reports, pressuring players to not speak out with potential of vilification by both the club & its fans and completely dismissing the clear trauma/ feelings of the players affected. And now ONLY apologies and accepts wrong doing years later after multiple past players have lifted the lid free from the workplace coercion. Disgusting. Needs to step down asap.
We also need to make sure that everything we think happened actually happened and we need to find out what was exaggerated and what wasnt
If they’re coaching players on what to say to their partners after the camp is finished, they know what they’re doing is wrong. 👍
Sending a premiership contender to that camp has to be one of the worst decisions a club has ever made
Josh and Eddie were already resilient men. They were AFL players that grew up in less than ideal circumstances. The whole team as Eddie said we're closer after Walsh's death, resilience. Did they really need this kind of camp?
I'm sure they wish they didn't run the camp now lol.. killed a premiership contending team
Ricciuto is a great example of a an old school footy head who just doesn’t have the intellectual or emotional IQ to be in a position of power managing young men in the modern game. Every step of the way with this saga his comments have shown himself to be out of his depth, misaligned with the playing group and more interested in protecting his mates and sweeping it all under the carpet than investigating and having the ear of all the players. All his defences have not shown leadership, they’ve just alienated him from the club and highlighted his poor grasp of the whole episode.
That is very well said.
A modern day Jock Riley
Perfect political skill set.
He is a product of a club/corporation that was created from the boardroom not born from a community and believes he is bigger identity than the club itself.
Respected Riccuito as a player but he needs to go. All he's done for 4 years is cover his arse while the team fell apart. Crows supporters deserve better.
Vindication for McClure and Wilson and embarassing for Adelaide and those Collective Mindless bozos.
McClure and Wilson still reported inaccurate things about the camp and that’s why channel 9 and The Age had to make retractions.
lol your username....
@@shaz464 ohhhh awesome and he summarised his claims at the start of the article. All claims which Adelaide have come out and apologized for in the last few weeks.
"Adelaide Crows players were tied to trees, surrounded by fake automatic weapons and sledged with intensely personal details during the now-infamous 2018 training camp"
Why you lying for? Bias is bad, didn't you know?
Amazing how often Caro gets vindicated. Best in the biz
@@Nick-hx1uz neither she nor MCClure have been vindicated for reporting inaccurate things about the camp. That’s why channel 9 and The Age had to make retractions.
Adelaide have been pitiful concerning this camp, needs to be sorted
How is riccuito still at the club? He is a disgrace.
I wonder how much of the decision on the 'need' to do something akin to the camp, was purely based on the fact that they lost a GF? Obviously in retrospect this is easy to say, but losing to that Richmond team was no shameful event. Adelaide were probably the better team throughout that 2017 season, but that Richmond team went on to dominate for years to come. Losing to them in a GF shouldn't have been the catalyst for the camp.
Yes losing the gf broke their brains. I bet this type of camp was pretty typical back in the day like Cornes says, but whatever that time has passed now future gf losers will be reminded to keep their heads by this incident.
Mark( casual racism) Ricciuto is the kinda guy that says dont you know who i am
Should he go and sit alone in his stand and reflect!
Tex loved the camp that says it all
8:45 great answer, Sam. Thankyou
You know the denial and cover up was awful when Sam McClure had his award stripped of him and then given back over a story in a camp
I agree with everything the panel are saying
I would of liked this panel to comment on Graham Cornes article like they said they will get too. Cornes stated that he has been involved in tough camps and has heard about camps on the same page as this which never got the attention like this camp. Makes me wonder how many camps have broken playing groups and it all got swept under the rug.
9:15 they did bring in Indigenous Liason officers after the camp, Eddie Betts mentioned it in one of his interviews
They also shut affected and indigenous players out of the leadership group and isolated them, threatened them if they shared what happened (including legal threats) failed to act on doctors reports which detailed the effects of the camp. It was a cover up.
Adelaide should cop a penalty for this. The only penalty that will hurt us the loss of national draft picks. They should be stripped of their first round pick this year.
How is that remotely proportionate? The majority of those involved have been sacked and no longer work with the club. Also the crows didn't tamper with any AFL regulations regarding list management or salary cap
🤣🤣🤣
lol the afl cleared them of any wrong doing 4 years ago. If there's a penalty it should be on gill and all the other suits.
Ricciuto needs to go that's it!
Cornes and Lloyd wouldn’t have a clue about trading players or their worth, of course rankine is worth 800k a yr; he is a superstar playing for an expansion club
Media have found their next target - best of luck Mark Ricciuto
He’s incredibly deserving of being fired. This isn’t a media hit job
Doesn't matter if he deserves it or not, it will be a media hit job.
We have all witnessed the media push a club into a corner with consistent media pressure to force a discussion, this will be no different.
You do realise Ricciuto attacked the media when they first reported on it. Rather than being ‘forced’ into a discussion, it’s almost like Ricciuto shouldn’t have tried to sweep it under the rug and instead should have willingly addressed it at the time. He’s made his own bed. He’ll cop what he deserves
His job is to protect the players not throw them under the bus and and privately and publicly bury serious breaches of their welfare, and potentially the law. He needs to suffer the consequences, I’ll equipped to do any management job if players. I wonder if he would have got the job if he wasn’t an ex great …🙄
@@bayden99 part of their job is to hold people and clubs to account with shitty shady business like this. McClure, love him or hate him, lost his Quill award because of his coverage of this at the time, but he was proven to be right all along. He has a right to be angry and go hard because the club flat out lied and got the biggest broom they could find
Adelaide , a quaint town
if you are going to call out and cancel a guy over that camp, then call out a certain CEO and other players/staff still active, who over watched the Ben Cousins/Mainwaring train wreck and did absolutely nothing.
The best footy show on tv or radio.
Seriously, the players put up with this camp. If they had balls, they would have walked away and said FU.
ive just finished eddies book why did betts and the rest off the players not just walk .
Exactly
you must have not read the rest or the comments of the players which easily explain this
Weren’t people calling Rankine a superstar a couple weeks ago? Now they’re worried about Adelaide overpaying him. Media changes up quick sometimes
What do the Adelaide faithful think about all this? Would be interesting to hear
As a supporter of the crows it was shameful what has happened,but could not any of the players stand up and say we are not doing this ,they couldn't sack all of them.
We all have problems in life,
Most of us just suck it up and get on with life,
But when your life is so privileged as sportsmen , you forget about real people in real life who suffer real abuse, but Eddie stayed at the crows till the end of his career, if It was that bad he should of retired at the time,
He finished at Carlton
I stand corrected, my apologies,
The correctness of what you wrote is as bad as the wisdom of what you wrote.
Who can we destroy this week? Llordo said little which says a lot.
hated him as a bomber player. respect what he says and how he conducts himself compared to the other headline grabbers
Crowes: Dig up stupid
The coach, CEO, head of football and half the club have left as a result. They have apologised so move on. Stop calling for heads. He who is without sin…
Let’s be honest, the media won’t be happy until the football club goes up in flames
Move em to Tassie
I would never recommend doubling down 👇 on anything that is blowing up in the media unless you're 100% in the right. But how else does Riccuto comes across except for old fashioned and a man's man. Out of date much?
Going to barrack for someone else next year.
Don’t want to cheer for a bunch of LIARS or contribute anymore of my money 💰.
Can’t wait to see these tools in public. LMAO.
If you really are a crows supporter, I bet you don't barrack for anyone else
If that's the case, we don't want supporters like you.
@@jimmyriddle5246 if he’s really a Crows supporter…he’s really just a closet Power supporter
Spend it on hookers
Far too one sided. Needed players involved in the camp who thought highly of it.
or other groups or individuals. none have come forward, confidentiality clause or not.
you saying it's one-sided when your comment is one-sided lmao. Players were split into different groups and had different activities and forbidden from sharing
Where is the AFL? They run the competition and need to pull their head out of the sand.
Gill and his family are part of the elite network of Adelaide and are staunch Crows supporters, that coupled with Sharing sponsorship with Toyota he may have been tasked with making the problem go away to save embarrassment for the national sponsor.
@@scottharris5101 The AFL is such a grubby organisation.I look at their major sponsors.MacDonalds, Coca Cola, Carlton and United.They promote unhealthy products
Heads up…the cheesy emotional music makes this an even more farcical hit job on the crows
Birdman
Nothing to see here
Mark and Gill need some of their own medicine
If given the choice, which aboriginal footballers would play for the crows? maybe Betts or Cameron . 😂 lmao
You can just tell how much these media rats hate the crows😅 Especially thing in the dress
Its not just the media you chump its all of Australia
@@paulweston285 you poor little darling... Are your feelings hurt from that camp too? Please, please try to fight through it😅
Paul isn't wrong though. Everyone hates that plastic, fake club. Fkin Camry Clowns. You're always racist down there in Adelaide as well. Bloody ferals.
@@jameswrappner4624 My feelings are that im just loving watching your outdated backwater club implode, is there anything better in life than Tex Walker flying home with an empty seat next to him ?
@@jameswrappner4624 that’s funny