Magnuson Supercharger TVS2300 BUY or NOT to BUY?
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- Honest feedback about the TVS2300 supercharger. My personal experience running 16-20psi on a Magnuson supercharger for the last 8 month.
tvs2300 break down video part 1 will be posted on the 18th of feb
I've had a TVS2300 on my daily Camaro SS, for 50k miles, no problems. Makes great power, all throughout the power band. Again, for my DAILY driver, it's great! I guess if you want to run 2x the boost everyone else is running with these YMMV. I've loved mine.
run it like a grand ma ofcourse eveything doesnt break. Go google "spike daily transmission" I am running a edelbrock eforce now, i would have NEVER thought i could run a blower this hard. The Magnuson would have blown up 100000x over
I have the heartbeat kit (Magnuson 2.3) on my Camaro too for last 3 years with zero problems.
Hate to hear of people have problems.
Just an FYI the Magnuson is known to have the least amount of failures compared to Procharger and Whipple for 6th gen Camaros.
I've always wanted to get into drifting watching some of your videos definitely makes me want to get serious about it thanks for the info on the Magnuson
Max efficiency range on these are 14psi. Running them past that is the issue. 16-20psi is to much pressure inside the casing and to much heat
efficiency has nothing to do with it
Yeah, I would never run one of these over 6-8psi. Just for reliability
I’ve been on again and off again with adding a PD SC to my build. In your case, the 16~20 is clearly the culprit. In my case, I’m almost more inclined to go with NA 427 to keep things simple. 🤷♂️
Sounds like you ran too much boost on it so of course it’ll eat the belt up. More boost is also more risky
For a belt rated by magnuson as "never had one broken" its nonsense. The design is nonsense. See these broken in racing all the time. They just lie about it. Inferior product lazy design.
Dang I might have crapped myself when that blower let go.
Trying to make turbo power with an SC, get some turbskies!
just what I've been looking for. I was going to put a catch can on mine and wanted to clean the intercooler of oil deposits. I've got 70000 miles on my 2110 camaro with no catch can. I was told by a supercharger builder not to clean it out with seafoam. Looks like the one end with bearings is dry, no gear oil. this might be the reason why. I would have no problem taking mine apart now. thanks Man!
no worries man, its super easy. just takes patience
Everyone I know with a Maggie has had shaft bearing failures and tons of belt issues .
Have them switch to the edelbrock eforce. It's been phenomenal exp for me. 2 years of reliable revlimit smashing driftng
@@spikedrift how big is the edelbrock supercharger?
Damn I'm glad I found this I almost bought one.
Check out the edelbrock blowers. Same tvs2300 Eaton rotor pack but 1000x better placement
@@spikedrift between e force or whipple 2.9 ?
Mines running 9psi and hasn't skipped a beat in years, he's pushin it's panties through it's teeth 🤣
Some of the best tuners in the world, swear by maggies...Never heard of these probs before but I mean, a lemon by the sounds of it lol....Id never run that much boost on a blower personally but to each their own.
People mostly use it for dyno pulls and garage queens.There are tons of flaws in this blower. For the same money, get a better engineered product from a reputable company. I am running edelbrock eforce. 1.6years of beating the snot out of it, zero supercharger issues no belt slip, no upgraded everything and still have belt issues. I am not the only one that has experienced Maggie issues , the bottomline is the money is yours, you can buy a product with this many known issues or buy an edelbrock that can last till the end of days. My driving now is multitude more savage than how I drove with the Maggie with zero mechanic issues on the edelbrock. Your money, you spend it how you want. 🤙🏽
@@spikedrift thanks for the heads up!! I'll look into the eforce!
16-20lbs seems like a lot to put through one of these. Most people I’ve met that have this style of blower are only running 6-9lbs. Why did you go with this setup instead of a pro charger or a turbo kit to achieve your goal?
most people are weak. I don't subscribe to that.
pro charger and turbo have different power and torque bands and less fun. Happy with a the right roots style blower. Running edelbrock eforce now. The experience is universe apart from this crap. Zero supercharger issues in 1.7 years and still running on my original belt
16-19 lbs of boost is overloading no wonder the superchargers blewup. Watchers video of Guys that specialize in building motor and dynos with this model Magnuson supercharger only went as high as 9lbs in boost and achieved a little over 700 hp and over 600 lbs torque.
your rotors were wearing out because you had too much thermal expansion do to the boost level and application. You needed to get a unit that had the correct spec for that application. Good luck with your turbos and your racing!!!
Hey thanks for the feedback! :D Currently running edelbrock eforce supercharger with the same tvs2300 rotor pack by eaton. no problems for over 1.5 years.
@@spikedrift excellent nice that they do a better supercharger.
Magnuson hasn’t been known for top-of-the-like supercharger products. However, lately, their TVS2650 series is putting down some serious, reliable power. Regardless, you’d probably would’ve been better off with a Whipple Supercharger.
wow..i wouldnt know that..but i know two big parties where magnuson are praised. one i heard at hoonigan garage- camaro with magnuson supercharger and second party is legend, i saw video of superduty transam, new transam is coming with magnuson installed in it.
@@ckryses3785 edelbrock eforce is SUPERIOR in everyway. google "spike daily transmission" That edelbrock blower has had ZERO ISSUES IN almost 2 years. running the same belt since new. I use to blow through 1000$ in belts a year running Magnuson.
@@ckryses3785 th-cam.com/video/0zpSyBGY5_o/w-d-xo.html
Racers saying, There’s no replacement for displacement… Supercharging is a close second. Things break when you race, find the problem and fit it, move on. For low end torque noting beats what you’re using, except maybe NOS. But, I’ve blown shit up with that too. Running 20 lbs of boost you’re lucky it’s only the supercharger. I’m installing one of those in my Jeep, just for that reason. Low end torque… Supercharge a 3.6 liter, or replace it with a HEMI 6.4 liter. For me a supercharger is 1/3 to 1/4 the cost, and it’s done in 1-day.
true that with displacement. Boost in essence is increasing displacement. Ran more boost on smaller displacement engines before ie: 30psi on a 2L engine 3sgte with 91 octane and meth injection. 20 psi on a bigger ls engine and e85 isnt anything special. The engine bay on the imports are limited by the space and weight/balance of the car.
I really am considering swapping in a complete LSA engine and Tremec 6060 from a 5th gen ZL1/V2 CTS-V in my 2001 Silverado. I had a D1-SC Procharger and I had nothing but problems with it. The only way I could fix it would have been to get a direct drive bracket that would isolate the Procharger head unit to it's own 8-10 rib belt. Plus I wasn't impressive with the power delivery of the centrifugal supercharger on a vehicle as heavy as a Silverado.
Lsa engine would be a good swap. Anything roots style is great for power delivery. The prochargers are an absolute dog down low unless it's over driven to the moon and majority of the boost bleed off at power rpms.
No magnuson.
@@spikedrift I really think the complete LSA engine and 6 speed manual in a regular cab short bed Silverado would bed alot of fun stock much less modified. I've driven lots of modified manual transmission trucks and they are nice but most manual transmissions in trucks are garbage. So a truck with a Tremec 6060 would be a blast I think
How about hard facts/numbers? What RPM is the engine turning? What diameter is the crank pulley? What diameter is the blower pulley? The rear looks like a 20% overdriven cog. Cogs are totally unforgiving, and you're literally only running up against the rev limiter which is constantly speeding up/slowing down the belt speed which is very hard on the blower. With some numbers we can see how fast you're spinning it. I'd guess somewhere in the 22,000 rpm range. That's an issue of it's own but the biggest is a cog with running up against a limiter drifting. You didn't go apples to apples with the Edelbrock because that one doesn't use a jackshaft.
16-20 and you wonder why you’re having belt slip problems? Great video though
yea, the design of the blower is garbage. 1/2 inch clearance on the bottom where the compressed air comes out. jack shaft is crap, cog belt on the back is garbage. This blower is complete trash and directly cost me a forged built motor.
@@spikedrift so you have this SC lmk something if I should find another one maybe lol was about to pull the trigger soon
you can get a gog drive for the front and a stainless steel shaft . from australia
If you don’t want to change gears or cam TVs has the nut down low if you have cam gears stall centri .whipple procharger vortec Paxton failer will not ruin your engine. Tvs of any kind failer can ruin a engine by design
Definitely stressing it beyond its design… That high of boost pressure is obviously too much resistance for the design of the blower…
Most PD blowers have a maximum rotor rpm. Think about the pulley ratio on these, crank is like 7.25” and a 3” blower pulley… You’re talking over twice the rpm of the engine that thing is turning! If you’re not near that limit but your boost is that high, your camshaft is incorrect.
These small displacement blowers are meant for like 12 psi maximum. I’ve also heard since they got rid of the jack shaft system, they have better reliability. Now the driveshaft goes through the snout.
I have a magnuson on my silverado for 41,000 miles and have zero issues.
they last at low boost or putting around town car. we are talking completely different applications on how they are used
spikedrift
I race my truck all the time. Try again grasshopper. On an ls3 making around 900 to the tire in a 5000 lb truck
I’m just specking from an outsider but sounds like your way killing it with high revs.
i am killing it with revs but the design has so many flaws and is garbage. running edelbrock eforce supercharge now, ALL PROBLEMS SOLVED!!
th-cam.com/video/0zpSyBGY5_o/w-d-xo.html
Whipple superchargers are way to go. Damn magnuson charged you 3 grand to rebuild that crap.
Edelbrock eforce is the way to go. I been running edelbrock blower now for a year. Zero issues no belt slip and still running the SAME BELT!!! I spend 1000$ a year on belts running the magnuson.
How are the Whipples to maintain? I'm looking to possibly add one to my LS2 403 in my 4th gen Camaro. I'm not into drifting, I'm more of a street/strip guy, looking to make decent power without a lot of money or maintenance, as nitrous is.
Yep, its pure garabge. Running edelbrock now. ZERO issues in 1.7 years, running original belt, no slip, I am making more power now at 10 psi with the edelbrock than this pos at 19psi
edelbrock th-cam.com/video/0zpSyBGY5_o/w-d-xo.html
@@spikedrift what is 1.7 years? 19 months and 4 days?
Great video, awesome information, thumbs up! Would you recommend the edelbrock eforce supercharger for a 2014 audi s4 3.0L?
wow, I would have a hard time trusting that after I had one come apart like that
Never trusted it again. Went with edelbrock and this blower hasn't been used since.
What the hell is that at 4:50 drops from the ceiling on the right top side in the video?
A cobweb/dust bunny
It was a spirt orb of a ghost... LOL
Ghost
It’s pretty obvious from your comments that you think this supercharger is no good but you’re very misinformed. Using this is a drift application is very different from other applications. High RPM for long periods of time creates high heat and so does high boost. This pushes the blower to the limits and increases wear on everything. Running 16-20 lbs of boost on this is also pushing the limits and running a ribbed belt, belt slip will always be a problem. Even other superchargers have belt slip at high boost unless using a cog belt. But to say that this supercharger is “trash, bad design, only good for slow grandma drivers” is ridiculous. Just because it didn’t work well in your application doesn’t mean it’s bad for others also. These work great in drag racing (where people aren’t driving “slow and boring”) but again, a very different application than drifting. Clearly you’ve had a bad experience but that doesn’t mean this supercharger is bad.
No issues in 3 years with more aggressive driving and zero failures on the edelbrock.
🤙🏽
I never said the edelbrock wasn’t good , all that proves is that the edelbrock supercharger is better for your application. Magnuson is great for many other applications. Think before you tell all your viewers how horrible something is just because it didn’t work for you.
What would be a good block and supercharger for a Pontiac g8 gt
Their supercharger blew up and they charged you to fix it?
ofcourse
this is the edlebrock eforce blower strutting its stuff. ALL OF My issues have been solved with the eforce. ZERO problems in almost 2 years running the same belt.
th-cam.com/video/0zpSyBGY5_o/w-d-xo.html
I have no experience with this supercharger, that said it does seem like a lot of points of possible failure.
Would a LSA be more reliable supercharger?
Love your page what would you put on a ram 1500 5.7
If edelbrock makes an blower for your dodge that's the brand I would go with.
Sounds to me like you’ve got to much blower and not enough motor. I’m no rocket surgeon but if your motor is anemic without boost, and you try to make it monstrous by shoving air into it, your just blowing through a straw and wearing out your blower. Obviously valve event timing and duration matters but you should be making great torque and power numbers at half that boost on a well built LS with good flowing heads. I don’t know how fast your spinning it but again, your engine (heads+cubes) sounds like a huge restriction.
When I was younger I built the LS1 out of my 98 Z28. Literally speced right out of the LS1tech threads. Never felt turbo lag like that before. Especially without a turbo...would only idle under 1000rpm with open headers. Once that exhaust was on it would stall out at 500 (t-56 out of gear). After 3500 rpm that 383 couldn’t be stopped. It would blow off my 275 g-force tires like they where bars of soap even in third at over 100mph. MS4 110 was a bad choice for a driver.😂 it would have handily beaten my stock C6Z at the strip. Now I know better. Also at 3.903 my already thin sleeves gave up the ghost and that was all she wrote.
Now with my ECS 1500 on my LS7 I’m going to Darton for some assurance before I uncork the blower for all the beans. Also going with a milder cam.
Not to sound preachy but mean effective chamber pressure is the only PSI I want to see high. All other confines aside.
got the wrong blower. this one is pure garbage. Running the edelbrock eforce now. no such issues. making more power on 10 psi than i did with this turd at 19psi
Edelbrock th-cam.com/video/0zpSyBGY5_o/w-d-xo.html
@@spikedrift that doesn't even make sense. something with your combo doesn't jive. you were at 19psi, at the 600hp level. doesn't make sense. listening/watching that Hoonigan video you reference, you can instantly tell by the guy's description of the engine that he doesn't really know what he's talking about. something is off.
@@jasonbeaulieu4979 making 700 plus with that blower
@@spikedrift that's what i figured. nice setup
So what was the end result of this magnuson? Any reach out to them? Response?
Due to design flaws I went with edelbrock superchargers. All the issues are now gone. I been driving hard for the last 3 years on the edelbrocks with zero issues and no down time.
Did you ever reach to Magnuson again? Can you explain why they didn't repair the first time?
I didnt not. I saw the design issue that would cost me another motor. So after this video my brand new motor blew up because the reference boost line for this blower is inches away from the rear cobalt belt. If that rear cog belt breaks it will pull out the boost reference for the fuel pressure regulator and the ecu. Both the computer and 1:1 fpr not seeing the boost level would pull fuel and cause massive detonation.
That's what happened to me and my new motor. I knew that would happen again after magnuson told me that the rear belt is good for 1000+ hp and that they never had a broken rear cog belt before 🙄 which is bs. I seen it on other drifters cars and some of their sponsored drivers who came on ig to blast me and say they "NEVER" hand any sc issues have multiple spares sitting in their trailers which I seen first hand and broken ones as well.
Just lazy design. Too many moving parts . Check out edelbrock supercharger. It is THE best.
This video is on the edelbrock. Their reliability allowed me to take my mind off sc issues and focus on driving. This blower has had zero issues for 3 years of driving on this level. Also I used to use 3 belts a race for the Maggie. I spent 1000$ a year on belts 😡 for the edelbrock I ran 1 belt for 2 years and I only changed it because I felt it was time😘
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Man, you sound like you were sponsored by Edelbrock..lol. Their chargers don't seem to add much power from what I've see on TH-cam. We're you paid, given goods or sponsored by them? Fair question.
What pulley package did you use to get 16 psi boost. I am having a difficult time getting any support.
I had a 2.8 in the front and a cog belt setup with the bigger gear on the jack shaft for an over drive setting.
@@spikedrift Thank you for your work to get data out.
Absolutely by
So you wouldn’t recommend me get that chrome magna charger for my c5 I just want the wine no crazy hp
The whine is sick. I have that one too and it's awesome. Max out about 550 hp. If that's enough for you then do it.
Thanks you answered my question and it’s enough for this car my mustang is my fast car
When installing one of these how the heck do you tighten the 10 mm intake manifold bolt that hides in the back left of the blower underneath the back left pulley? Any ratchet or wrench I use will not fit with the rear left pulley attached
Stupid design😏. I had to cut a 10 mm wrench just for that purpose.
They are not as bad as this guy makes it sound lol. Clearly he's pushing what he currently has just like most people would... mine has over 20000 miles on it and no problems.
I don't drive the car boring and slow.
20000 miles of your driving < 1 lap of mine
Apples to apples comparison the edelbrock I have is bullet proof vs this.
1 belt for 2 years in race conditions for the edelbrock vs 2 belts a race for over 1500$ in belts a year for the Maggie. 🙄 plus the maggie costed me a 10k motor due to lazy design flaws.
For less money, higher reliability, better engineering my money is on edelbrock
Thanks.
@@spikedrift Ok you have your point there BUT, before I go I must say I don't drive the car boring and slow either... well not at around 800WHP ;) and yes everything is done in my garage besides two things - dyno tune and auto body lol. Anyways take care maybe I will get an edelbrock next time ;)
@@spikedrift Still working great! Now on E85, bigger injectors, dual fuel pumps but what do I know lol
Where can I find a eforce for a c5 corvette I only see them for c6
Hit up eledbrocks website or call their helpline
What does the cog upgrade provide, what are benefits?
No belt slip in the rear gearing, more consistent boost, different sound from the blower due to the belt as well. Also you can overdrive the supercharger faster with this cog setup. Highly recommended. However you can go with a better design like the eforce and remove the jack shaft, cog belt altogether
For the new ones are they made different and no longer use that outside long shaft?
Magunson is moving away from the jackshaft style blower s they are moving to the new magnum series which is a better set up
a lot of their older designs are stil being sold with the jackshaft. it's a lazy design from their old maggie days. The old maggie i had before the tvs2300 was a tank, beat it to death and still doing well.
The new heartbeat is better designed
Soooooo is it worth it or nah!? Might get one for my 425hp L99 Camaro SS 2011
Eforce supercharger is where it's at. 3 years of my driving still havent broken anything. TH-cam spike daily transmission to see level 100 abuse the edelbrock eforce supercharger can take.
@@spikedrift Yes but its an automatic and my dad says not too much power like at once or the transmission will break or something we want a low curve power so is the TVS2300 worth it
@@Klyftis i have one on my 05 GTO no problems, but im not running 20 psi boost
If you’re bashing the hell out of your car like he is in his race car, then listen to his first hand experience and get the Edelbrock Eforce he has had good experience with. He said he thought it was fine for normal street driving and normal boost range, not racing because it’s not designed for racing.
@@onebridge7231 Ah Thanks!
Would you say ls2 with this supercharger pushing 600hp ok for daily drive and drag
Ya - the abuse drift cars take is insane verus a 12 second WOT blast with cooldown
59k on mine , he is tweaking it with the drift car runs and 20 psi with out a blow off isnt good , i run 5 looking to run 10 with smaller pulley.
look at the edelbrock eforce system, cheaper to purchase and better throught out. zero issues in 4 years of running it 10x harder than i did with this blower.
@@zachschiavone6118 yea.... some of my runs are 5 minutes on the rev limiter :D
Ikno somebody that trying to sell me a 6.0 Ls with a magnacharger tvs 1900 for 5 grand?? Is it worth it
Price is pretty reasonable. 2-3K for the 6.0 and 2k for a used 1900. As long as engine is good , its fair market value
@@spikedrift the supercharged is brand new lol...he say it rated at 750hp with the right gas an fuel? How much boost I can run on that blower
@@texanboi9343 yikes.... the 1900 is not rated for that kinda hp... unless you have some magic heads, cams combo, spin it to the moon. Sorry for the late reply but doubt that would be at the wheels.
@@spikedrift yea it wasnt no special head but he end up moving
I went against everything you said I went whipple lol
hahaha, i Whipple is the blower I haven't owned before. a ton of sand rail guys run the 4.0L Whipple and they are super reliable from what i hear. I don't know the internal build since i never opened one up before but the Whipple guys at sema where super nice to me :D
@@spikedrift it’s been good so far they took good care of me.
You say you're running the eforce now? Do you feel any difference, power wise, between the eforce and the Maggie?
EXTRAORDINARY RELIABILITY DIFFERENCE and power. I was spending about 1000$ year on belts with Maggie. On the edelbrock I spent 80$ on 1 belt which ran for 1.6 years.
Power wise, lower boost on the edelbrock about 10psi feels faster than at 18 on the Maggie. Zero comparison between the two. Get edelbrock and be done with it
@@spikedrift Thanks for the quick reply!
@@mikerainbolt4688 yea man no prob. Its been almost 4 years i just changed belt last year due to feeling its "time" . So just the belt savings alone was unreal at 90$ / gates green belt.
I always wondered this about sc setups. Can't you achieve Low end torque with just adjusting boost levels / turbo selection?
Kyu1LL yes smaller turbos. Not the torque that these positive displacement blowers can make down low. People use nitrous to anti lag to keep the turbo spooled. Both are hard on equipment or $$$$
I see. I always just figured you guys get way better deals with turbos so antilag or nitrous isn't that big of a deal to spool. That supercharger business sounds more sketchy to me haha. Good luck though! I've seen you drive at ASB one time and ofcourse I've heard your name following grassroots guys! see you around!
No you cant achieve low in torque, there isn't enough exhaust energy to have the same torque band, you can do it with a vortec but you would have to overdrive it to moon and bleed off excess boost on the top end. Edelbrock eforce has solved all problems.
Did u use belt tensioner?
TRD used maggies so it cant be that bad.
yes, used an upgraded tensioner that was supposed to work better than stock.
yes the TRD run them at very low boost. not much of an work out for that blower.
You ran a 8 rib setup ?
Yes it did and a cog belt in the rear. The front is 8 rib
spikedrift wow, I can only imagine lol it’s insane though how much belt slippage you had with an 8 rib setup
@@johnnyninetytwo I am running the Edelbrock Eforce supercharger system now. I HIGHLY recommend it. running 1 and 1/2 years on the same belt, zero issues, super reliable. Check out this video of my car now. I could have NEVER done this style of driving on the magnuson due to changing belt every other lap, breakages and over all bad design th-cam.com/video/0zpSyBGY5_o/w-d-xo.html
Would you do this on low boost? Like 7-9psi?
I’m looking to buy a kit used and wondering now if I should? It would be for my sand rail LS1. Got me scared now.
Plenty people have had issues at low boost with the Magnuson, the design itself is lazy and leaves a lot of moving parts and power on the table. Check out the edelbrock for substantially superior product at the same if not lower price point
Found one for $2500 with ID1050 injectors. Was wondering if I should do it or not :/
spikedrift the kit is a couple months old off a Sierra with adapter. This the same kit you had?
www.magnusonsuperchargers.com/product-p/01-19-53-182-bl.htm
spikedrift thanks for the fast reply too bud. Subscribed now :)
For the money just build a bigger engine and go with a new 2.65L and make the power you need...
no, went edelbrock eforce, all problems SOLVED!!
Would love the tvs2650. Waiting or edelbrock to make one that works with my application
You kinda look like an Asian Elon Musk
yea he's family. We dont talk much.
That supercharger is crap!!!
I have an E-Force magnuson TVS 2300 edelbrock kit on my 2011 5.3. What's the smallest pulley i can go before im in danger of overspinning the SC?