I actually prefer car's that run closer to their factory stock times. This was a great race between two very nice machine's. That's all that should matter. I am a Mopar fan, but alway's liked the '68/9 Buick GS styling, and that Chevelle is sweet too, and not to leave Old's out as that Hurst sure is hot. 👍
But it wasn't a fair race. they both offered a standard 325hp version of those engines and it went up from there. There were faster GS Buicks that year with the same 400 size engine but it wasn't used in the race. The stage one and two packages. But there using top dog SS Chevelle. This is such a biased comparison
All new cars being, to a large extent, assembled out of plastic by robots. Look at the options and interior choices you could purchase back then. You are on the money.
Too me the Chevelle looks nicer or more comfortable inside, that center console and bucket seats just looks better than a bench. I don’t know what luxury items were available in the Buick and not the Chevelle.
Great race! Three beautiful classics...GM really had the styling nailed down in the mid to late sixties.The GS actually ran a little better than I thought... for a 340 horse with highway gears.With the Stage 1 option and steeper gearing, the Buick just may have come out on top. Always loved those L78 Chevelles, and the '68-'69 Hurst Olds. Thanks for posting.
Josh, weakest GS is the GS350...just sayin...ya I did'nt think it would be that close in either race, L78s run in the high 12's before on this channel.
Buick gs was always a great car, just didn't have all the aftermarket racing parts that chevy had. Basically because of cost since chevy parts were cheaper. That L78 is just a L88 427 heads,cam,etc, in a 396. L88 was like 512 hp while the 396 was around 470 hp. Back in 69 if you brought home $180 a week you were doing good. That's why you don't see all these car in abundance. Some of the options cost like a month's pay. People didn't finance cars back then. They lived within their means. That's why you'll see an option someone didn't buy for like $50. You have to remember you could fill the gas tank for $ 6. That's alot of gas you could buy. T.V.s were made in USA and a 24" color TV cost $550-600 . I can buy a 70" TV now for that price.
@@randytriplett1397 - L88 had iron 560 HP or aluminum 530 HP heads with headers stock... L78 425 HP stock with headers... People financed cars back then but prices were low enough most high school kids with an after school part time job could buy these cars... parents signed and kids made the payments... of course, kids saving money for college was another story... 1976 I paid $600 for a 25" TV... got a discount because it was a demonstrator... now just bought a 4K ultra high definition Smart TV projector that does 40" - 300" picture for $220 and love it for watching sports... currently using it at 200" indoors... can also be used as a computer monitor...
@@randytriplett1397 As far as cams, you go on 10 different sites and you'll see 10 different spec. Heads yeah aluminum that is only a weight advantage. You bore a 396 out to 427 and compression will be very similar. Both awesome engines and I've driven both back in the day and it was the driver who won the race since both engines made those bias ply tires seem like roller skate wheels. Car I drove with the 396 had factory 4.88 gears and the 427 I believe had 4.10 gears, both a ral hand full to drive on those highly domed streets from the 60s. LOL
When I was in college (a long time ago) a friend of mine owned both a ‘69 SS Chevelle and a “69 GS 400. The 400 was his winter beater car. It had the strangest air cleaner on it.
I have a 68 GS400 I bought from my dad. It is a great car but will never be a drag strip demon. Its got lots of torque to move 3800 pounds through an AT and the 3.42 gear (because it has AC.) Otherwise its a 2.93 gear. Hardly a gear for the quarter mile. Good smooth mid range power, but would never match that fast revving lighter 396. Wish my dad had ordered the Stage 1 Special Package installed at the dealer which added 50 hp and knocked a second off the et with a 3.64 rear end.
7:58: that '69 hurst olds has a 1970 model year front bumper, '69's front turn signals were round, 1970 model year were square. brings back memories, Cheers
I had a '71 442 back in the day. If ever a car needed 4-wheel disc brakes, that was the one. Had to get on the brakes really hard to avoid an accident one time, and I still poop bits of blue vinyl every once in a while.
These cars are examples of when car companies actually wanted to build a quality product. Not the junk that is sold today that wont even last 10 years .
Goodday C & Z, What a great video, all A Body GM's, especially the gorgeous 1969 Hurst Oldsmobile H/O. Surprised that none of them got into the 13's. Can anyone tell me what is the difference between L78 in the 1965 Impala rated at 425 hp L78 rated at 375 hp. Your number 1 Fan in Australia Louis Kats from Melbourne Australia ☺ 👍 ❤
This is a top hp 396 Chevelle 375hp. Chevy had lower hp 396 Chevelle's like the factory standard 325hp and the next up 350hp 396. The Buick here was the standard 400 with 325hp standard gearing. not the Next up stage 1 or the next one up Stage 2 GS. So it's just not a fair comparison. It means nothing if your not comparing top dog to top dog or even who got the best bang for the buck with the two lower 325hp version of the SS Chevelle and the GS Skylark. But this race here proves nothing!
@@cwfella Yeah, I'm sure you are right. But considering this is pure stock, there should be no way that two of the same cars are 2.5 seconds different in the quarter. That is a very significant gap.
@@parodynuts5407 I'm not sure how you long you've been around drag racing or performance vehicles, but the extremely limited mods that are allowed in Pure Stock wouldn't net you even a second, let alone more 2+. The biggest gain would come via compression at 1.5 points (assuming you choose to do that mod). Depending on displacement, you can expect 3-5% HP gains per compression point. In the case of this car @ 375 factory HP, that's roughly 20 HP. Next large gain would be rear gears but that is limited to options that were available from the factory, so not much room for improvement there. The driver definitely comes into play, but these ETs aren't even close... Also, I went back and looked and I was wrong or couldnt find it, the only silver 69 Chevelle SS396 I found on here was running high 13s. That seems accurate with every mod possible. Not sure what car on this channels i was thinking of.
@@permafrost2064 you can easily gain two seconds. Even more. And I’ve been going to Pure Stock over a decade. This is the car you are referring to, and yes it is a certified inspected documented Pure Stock car......so here’s your proof that MORE than 2 seconds is possible: www.hemmings.com/stories/article/animal-charm-1969-chevrolet-chevelle-300-deluxe
I currently own a black 71 chevelle with an ls swap but back in the day I owned a 1968 Buick gs "California special" but it was more of a "rust belt special" it had a 400ci and ran like a champ but man was it rusty!
No CALIFORNIA GS ever had a 400. They were all a 340 in 67. In 68, you could only get the 350 in the CAGS cars, and they were all built on the Special frame, unlike the GS400 that was on the Skylark boxed frame. Colorado also had a GS version. The 67s were sold new here in Hollywood, CA, at Mickey Garrett Buick. Buick also had a W1 GS in 67.
@thomasthurston6656 I must have mistaken a gs400 emblem for meaning a 400ci....this was back in 2002 so my memories may be clouded. I'm a chevelle guy not a Buick guy....but I'd like to someday own a nice 70-72 skylark.
@@theangrydragon182 it's a 4 speed automatic. I'm not all that familiar with them, just know what an awesome tranny the turbo 400 is. I imagine they wanted the 4:10 rear for 1/4 mile racing and the extra gear for cruising ability. Still, with 4:10 rears behind the 396, I'd have to go with the turbo 400.
Why in the heck would you give the weight "with driver"? This isn't a weigh in after a race, the drivers weight is variable and worse than irrelevant, it makes your statement of weight completely useless, better to just leave it out than to do that.
Just shows how dumb you are. The total weight of the car is most important dummy. This class weighs every car with driver before the event....so then you know the total weight LOSER.
Match the GS up against a 396 350 hp or a 442 Cutlass and it would have been a fair comparison. Really need a Stage 1 455 to go up against that Chevelle and Hurst Olds. And that L89 should have been running 13:60s at least. L89 Camaros and Novas were running 13:30s in 69' 70' Andyou would think that Hurst Olds would have been in the high 13:s
@@theangrydragon182 My mistake L89 had aluminum heads . And was just stating the times were off from what they should be. I wasn't racing so the sore loser comment makes no sense.
I FEEL I HAVE TO COMPLAIN ABOUT THIS ONE AS WELL...JUST LIKE ALL OTHERS. ITS BECAUSE I HAVE NOTHING BETTER TO DO WITH MY TIME AS I STILL LIVE IN THE PAST. THE BUICK SHOULD HAVE BEEN A STAGE 1 MEANWHILE I'M NOT REALIZING THIS IS A TIME TRIAL AND THESE CARS WEREN'T PAIRED TOGETHER. HAVE I EVER TOLD YOU HOW I WORKED AS A MECHANIC FOR 80 YEARS? I DID. I KNOW EVERYTHING ABOUT THESE CARS INSIDE AND OUT. DO NOT QUESTION ME. THE CHEVLLE NEVER OFFERED A 375 HORSEPOWER ENGINE...AND I'M NOT GOING TO FACT CHECK THAT ONINE BECAUSE THE INTERNET IS DIFFICULT TO USE. WHERE IS MY ENSURE SHAKE.
Buick should have been stage 4 and I know this because I've been a mechanic for 200 years so don't even think about questioning me youngster. Besides that GET OFF MY DAMN LAWN!!
I was a mechanic for Mr. Norm and that was many years ago about 70 years or so. The highest horse pressure you could get in a chevelle was 325. Those Dodge's were mighty fast.
I'm not really a Buick fan but I will chime in on your comment. Looked like to me all it needed was a little lower than the 3.31 rear gear it had to get it's plump ass moving down low. Seems to be pulling on the top end. Of course I don't know what was actually available in them so that might not be an option to do.
I actually prefer car's that run closer to their factory stock times. This was a great race between two very nice machine's. That's all that should matter.
I am a Mopar fan, but alway's liked the '68/9 Buick GS styling, and that Chevelle is sweet too, and not to leave Old's out as that Hurst sure is hot. 👍
But it wasn't a fair race. they both offered a standard 325hp version of those engines and it went up from there. There were faster GS Buicks that year with the same 400 size engine but it wasn't used in the race. The stage one and two packages. But there using top dog SS Chevelle. This is such a biased comparison
Whenever I see the price of these cars after adjusted for inflation I think about just how badly we are getting screwed on new cars today.
All new cars being, to a large extent, assembled out of plastic by robots. Look at the options and interior choices you could purchase back then. You are on the money.
Indeed, A toyota camry now is 25 grand (Not saying it's a bad car)
I thought the same thing.
Too me the Chevelle looks nicer or more comfortable inside, that center console and bucket seats just looks better than a bench. I don’t know what luxury items were available in the Buick and not the Chevelle.
Didn’t see the gear ratio for the GS
Would have been interesting to see a Stage One 400 out there.
Great race! Three beautiful classics...GM really had the styling nailed down in the mid to late sixties.The GS actually ran a little better than I thought... for a 340 horse with highway gears.With the Stage 1 option and steeper gearing, the Buick just may have come out on top. Always loved those L78 Chevelles, and the '68-'69 Hurst Olds. Thanks for posting.
Always those the Buick’s and olds had the best styling of all the GMS
Great race, thank you for taking the time to put these videos together. Stay safe 👍
1969 chevelle is my #1 dream car off all time i want one so bad
Weakest GS vs strongest SS396 and a 455 lol.. stacked against the old bu today!
Josh, weakest GS is the GS350...just sayin...ya I did'nt think it would be that close in either race, L78s run in the high 12's before on this channel.
3.64 gearing would’ve made big difference.
No 455 tell 70 in the GS. GS350 had a 350 V8. I would think the Buick had weight over any Chevy.
What gear did the buick have
For those of you who fail to read the description box the Buick has 3.31 rear gears
Well then, that's the whole story.
Thanks for that. I was wondering.
My car moves with 3.36 ⚙'s😁
@@musclebone7875 try 4:10s
@@georgewetzel4380 lol I have traction problems now. With 4.10's I'll be spinning in all 3 gears
I love that red paint with white guts.....looks beautiful
Buick gs was always a great car, just didn't have all the aftermarket racing parts that chevy had. Basically because of cost since chevy parts were cheaper. That L78 is just a L88 427 heads,cam,etc, in a 396. L88 was like 512 hp while the 396 was around 470 hp. Back in 69 if you brought home $180 a week you were doing good. That's why you don't see all these car in abundance. Some of the options cost like a month's pay. People didn't finance cars back then. They lived within their means. That's why you'll see an option someone didn't buy for like $50. You have to remember you could fill the gas tank for $ 6. That's alot of gas you could buy. T.V.s were made in USA and a 24" color TV cost $550-600 . I can buy a 70" TV now for that price.
Not true L-88 had 12.5 compression Different cam and aluminum heads L-78 had the 11.0 compression same cam as the 425 hp ,427 and cast iron heads.
@@randytriplett1397 - L88 had iron 560 HP or aluminum 530 HP heads with headers stock... L78 425 HP stock with headers...
People financed cars back then but prices were low enough most high school kids with an after school part time job could buy these cars... parents signed and kids made the payments... of course, kids saving money for college was another story...
1976 I paid $600 for a 25" TV... got a discount because it was a demonstrator... now just bought a 4K ultra high definition Smart TV projector that does 40" - 300" picture for $220 and love it for watching sports... currently using it at 200" indoors... can also be used as a computer monitor...
@@randytriplett1397 As far as cams, you go on 10 different sites and you'll see 10 different spec. Heads yeah aluminum that is only a weight advantage. You bore a 396 out to 427 and compression will be very similar. Both awesome engines and I've driven both back in the day and it was the driver who won the race since both engines made those bias ply tires seem like roller skate wheels. Car I drove with the 396 had factory 4.88 gears and the 427 I believe had 4.10 gears, both a ral hand full to drive on those highly domed streets from the 60s. LOL
The L78 and the L72 427 are identicle aside from the bore. So what Randy said.
Where is the other announcer? I like the comedy much better!
Love the fathom green
When I was in college (a long time ago) a friend of mine owned both a ‘69 SS Chevelle and a “69 GS 400. The 400 was his winter beater car. It had the strangest air cleaner on it.
Is it just me or did it look like the Buick was gaining on the back half?
I doubt it with the Chevelle running 99 mph vs the Buick 95 mph.
@@1972Ventura455ho I had a 1969 Buick GS350. It cruised comfortably at 105 MPH or uncomfortably at 112
I have a 68 GS400 I bought from my dad. It is a great car but will never be a drag strip demon. Its got lots of torque to move 3800 pounds through an AT and the 3.42 gear (because it has AC.) Otherwise its a 2.93 gear. Hardly a gear for the quarter mile. Good smooth mid range power, but would never match that fast revving lighter 396. Wish my dad had ordered the Stage 1 Special Package installed at the dealer which added 50 hp and knocked a second off the et with a 3.64 rear end.
I had a 1969 Buick GS350 California. It had a top speed of 112 MPH (which I tested many times)
Had a 69 Chevelle, was my favorite car
7:58: that '69 hurst olds has a 1970 model year front bumper, '69's front turn signals were round, 1970 model year were square. brings back memories, Cheers
I had a '71 442 back in the day. If ever a car needed 4-wheel disc brakes, that was the one. Had to get on the brakes really hard to avoid an accident one time, and I still poop bits of blue vinyl every once in a while.
What was the Buick geared ? 3.64 would have evened things up better just saying!
These cars are examples of when car companies actually wanted to build a quality product. Not the junk that is sold today that wont even last 10 years .
Goodday C & Z,
What a great video, all A Body GM's, especially the gorgeous 1969 Hurst Oldsmobile H/O.
Surprised that none of them got into the 13's.
Can anyone tell me what is the difference between
L78 in the 1965 Impala rated at 425 hp
L78 rated at 375 hp.
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This is a top hp 396 Chevelle 375hp. Chevy had lower hp 396 Chevelle's like the factory standard 325hp and the next up 350hp 396. The Buick here was the standard 400 with 325hp standard gearing. not the Next up stage 1 or the next one up Stage 2 GS. So it's just not a fair comparison. It means nothing if your not comparing top dog to top dog or even who got the best bang for the buck with the two lower 325hp version of the SS Chevelle and the GS Skylark. But this race here proves nothing!
Why was the Buick with only a 3 speed auto racing against a car with a 4 speed?
Love the videos.
You broke format. No round 2 or 3? Also didn't get the axle ratio in the Buick. Still enjoyed the video.😊
watching narrated facts of the cars were way better honestly
I'm confused, i seem to recall a silver 69 Chevelle SS396 on here before that was in the low 12s, high 11s. Why is this one only running 14s?
I’m sure not everyone has their cars prepped the same.
@@cwfella Yeah, I'm sure you are right. But considering this is pure stock, there should be no way that two of the same cars are 2.5 seconds different in the quarter. That is a very significant gap.
@@permafrost2064 there can definitely be that gap. If one car uses no approved mods, and another uses all, you can definitely gain several seconds
@@parodynuts5407 I'm not sure how you long you've been around drag racing or performance vehicles, but the extremely limited mods that are allowed in Pure Stock wouldn't net you even a second, let alone more 2+. The biggest gain would come via compression at 1.5 points (assuming you choose to do that mod). Depending on displacement, you can expect 3-5% HP gains per compression point. In the case of this car @ 375 factory HP, that's roughly 20 HP. Next large gain would be rear gears but that is limited to options that were available from the factory, so not much room for improvement there. The driver definitely comes into play, but these ETs aren't even close...
Also, I went back and looked and I was wrong or couldnt find it, the only silver 69 Chevelle SS396 I found on here was running high 13s. That seems accurate with every mod possible. Not sure what car on this channels i was thinking of.
@@permafrost2064 you can easily gain two seconds. Even more. And I’ve been going to Pure Stock over a decade. This is the car you are referring to, and yes it is a certified inspected documented Pure Stock car......so here’s your proof that MORE than 2 seconds is possible: www.hemmings.com/stories/article/animal-charm-1969-chevrolet-chevelle-300-deluxe
I thought the hurst olds would atleast be in 13s
Wrong video... see: th-cam.com/video/NpmxaamNwhw/w-d-xo.html
Buicks were slow... except Stage 1's...
4000lbs olds needs a diet !
I currently own a black 71 chevelle with an ls swap but back in the day I owned a 1968 Buick gs "California special" but it was more of a "rust belt special" it had a 400ci and ran like a champ but man was it rusty!
No CALIFORNIA GS ever had a 400. They were all a 340 in 67. In 68, you could only get the 350 in the CAGS cars, and they were all built on the Special frame, unlike the GS400 that was on the Skylark boxed frame. Colorado also had a GS version. The 67s were sold new here in Hollywood, CA, at Mickey Garrett Buick. Buick also had a W1 GS in 67.
@thomasthurston6656 I must have mistaken a gs400 emblem for meaning a 400ci....this was back in 2002 so my memories may be clouded. I'm a chevelle guy not a Buick guy....but I'd like to someday own a nice 70-72 skylark.
Who won??
Yaaaaaas! If you have a GM, and wanna win some races, you definatly wanna run against another GM!!
True because they lose against mopar and ford.
Dude whatever happened to the commentary that you used to do?
Who would hook up that 4 speed automatic to 4:10 rears when you have the turbo 400 available? To each his own I guess.
Obviously someone who enjoys driving a manual transmission.
@@theangrydragon182 it's a 4 speed automatic. I'm not all that familiar with them, just know what an awesome tranny the turbo 400 is. I imagine they wanted the 4:10 rear for 1/4 mile racing and the extra gear for cruising ability. Still, with 4:10 rears behind the 396, I'd have to go with the turbo 400.
@@chevyblue10 So you edited your original comment from saying four-speed manual… To four-speed automatic? Doesn’t make any sense now.
@@theangrydragon182 yes. I should've clarified in the original comment, but I figured it was obvious to anyone who watched the video.
@chevyblue10 Turbo 400 is a 3 speed transmission, not a 4 speed.
Why in the heck would you give the weight "with driver"? This isn't a weigh in after a race, the drivers weight is variable and worse than irrelevant, it makes your statement of weight completely useless, better to just leave it out than to do that.
Just shows how dumb you are. The total weight of the car is most important dummy. This class weighs every car with driver before the event....so then you know the total weight LOSER.
i am putting a 68 chevelle 375 l78 in my 63 acadian gasser im building
ok
Match the GS up against a 396 350 hp or a 442 Cutlass and it would have been a fair comparison. Really need a Stage 1 455 to go up against that Chevelle and Hurst Olds. And that L89 should have been running 13:60s at least. L89 Camaros and Novas were running 13:30s in 69' 70' Andyou would think that Hurst Olds would have been in the high 13:s
He clearly states this is a L78, not a L89. Quit acting like a sore loser.
@@theangrydragon182 My mistake L89 had aluminum heads . And was just stating the times were off from what they should be. I wasn't racing so the sore loser comment makes no sense.
A Stage 1 455 would beat all the cars in your list. A Stage 1 was as fast as anything you could by from the factory.
I FEEL I HAVE TO COMPLAIN ABOUT THIS ONE AS WELL...JUST LIKE ALL OTHERS. ITS BECAUSE I HAVE NOTHING BETTER TO DO WITH MY TIME AS I STILL LIVE IN THE PAST. THE BUICK SHOULD HAVE BEEN A STAGE 1 MEANWHILE I'M NOT REALIZING THIS IS A TIME TRIAL AND THESE CARS WEREN'T PAIRED TOGETHER. HAVE I EVER TOLD YOU HOW I WORKED AS A MECHANIC FOR 80 YEARS? I DID. I KNOW EVERYTHING ABOUT THESE CARS INSIDE AND OUT. DO NOT QUESTION ME. THE CHEVLLE NEVER OFFERED A 375 HORSEPOWER ENGINE...AND I'M NOT GOING TO FACT CHECK THAT ONINE BECAUSE THE INTERNET IS DIFFICULT TO USE. WHERE IS MY ENSURE SHAKE.
Buick should have been stage 4 and I know this because I've been a mechanic for 200 years so don't even think about questioning me youngster. Besides that GET OFF MY DAMN LAWN!!
I am mechanic for 80 years too. Everybody knows Chevelle SS 396 has 600 horse power standing still. Has anybody seen my prune juice?
I was a mechanic for Mr. Norm and that was many years ago about 70 years or so.
The highest horse pressure you could get in a chevelle was 325.
Those Dodge's were mighty fast.
Fart jokes....
396 isn't much better.
The L78 ideally needs needs a 4.56 or 4.88 gear. Peak HP is at 5800 with manifolds and about 420hp, with header it's 455@6100, built so factory specs.
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Why don't you talk and make jokes in your videos anymore?
That's a fairly interesting 1969 match. Can't wait for the Buick infants to cry "WELL, UHH..... THAT SHOULD BE A STAGE 1. THIS ISNT FAIR."
I'm not really a Buick fan but I will chime in on your comment. Looked like to me all it needed was a little lower than the 3.31 rear gear it had to get it's plump ass moving down low. Seems to be pulling on the top end. Of course I don't know what was actually available in them so that might not be an option to do.
dont need to say it, because you already did HA
Buick Infants? What a tool..
@@JoshKetchum rich coming from a guy who uses the term “tool.”
You nailed it.
400 is a dog compared to the 455.
69
My favorite number!
Why?
@@rockyjonesspacecadet7089
Are you human??🤡
@@josephmartinez8803 I'm a space cadet
$3499.00 accounting for inflation comes to $25,075.91, Today's market value according to the video is $24,674.00. Not what you call an investment.
😂 Like you could buy any new car today with 24k lol 😆 a KIA maybe and a cheap one.