In 1831 the Swedish navy planted a large amount of oak with the intent of using it to build ships over a 100 years later. In 1975, the oaks were ready for harvest and were thus offered to the Navy Chief. Unfortunately, they grew just a tad bit too slow for the fascinating future we now live in.
I'd like to find out what happened to all that wood though, there's a hundred other industries that would have hopped right on that if they could buy it
"That's the future, what a fascinating modern age we live in." How humbling. People like him are incredible. Always forward thinking and quick to adapt to the future.
This is a little ironic since Aubrey in the books is a dyed-in-the-wool conservative and resists essentially all innovation in both his personal and professional lives. He doesn't even like wheel locks on his cannons since they can hang fire-he prefers the old-fashioned match lock.
@@NiceTryLaoChe he'd hate percussion caps, minie` balls and other conical-shaped bullets. He'd despise fixed metallic cartridges as well, much less all manners repeating firearms
Yet him and Aubrey are close - during the singing round the wardroom table at dinner, Aubrey gives Killick a glass of wine which he takes and acknowledges with a bowing of the head - the only crewmember to get this
One of the finest movies ever made. It screamed for a sequel. Even the ending, which left a clear opening as they turned to pursue the Acheron...again, reminded me so much of Star Trek the original series. Just the chemistry and joking of Aubrey and Stephen reminded me of Kirk and Spock/McCoy.
I'd just about kill for a sequel.I love this film.It's hard to watch at times,because of it's realism:a little boy losing part of his arm...the doldrums...the butcher's bill in the wake of the battle...but it's impossible to avoid being drawn in,or at least it was for me.Nobody else I know personally was interested,so seeing so many people here on TH-cam expressing their love of the film,offering bits of information gleaned from history,is wonderful.And the music! Perfect.
honestly, when it first came out i used to go see it just to attend over lunch. had this great cinema next to where i worked. I knew a sequel wouldn't be made after i saw first weekend numbers. truly a pity. I think I saw it more than ten times.
It is hard - yes, a sequel would have been wonderful, and yet there is something about having this one perfect gem, rather than having to worry about whether "the franchise" could hold up.
The real life captain Aubrey was based on, Thomas Cochrane, was infinitely more terrifying in his lack of concern for mere human problems like mortality or fear. Patrick O'Brian wrote something to this effect in the prologue to the first novel; that it really was impossible to exaggerate the heroism of these men.
@@DrBojangles007 Agreed. I've often said that those books should be required reading for upper-management types, or perhaps teachers and principals, lol. Anyone in the position of having to lead a large number of people. Unfortunately, they are probably a bit too abstract in the technical details and language for at least 50% of the reader's out there.
Acheron was based off USS Constitution, the oldest commissioned ship in the US Navy. She isn't termed 'old ironsides' for no reason, beautiful ship, she's 200 and some odd years old, and still looks perfect.
She is indeed, though to be fair they have had to rebuild her at least twice in the last 100 years or so. At some point some dimwit apparently had the diagonal bracing out that gave her hull its strength. There was a fascinating article in Wooden Boat Magazine about her construction about the time of her last rebuild.
In the book the Acheron was an American ship the USS Norfolk, it was changed to French in the movie so the US wouldn't be the "bad guy". However, when designing the Acheron for the movie they used scans of the USS Constitution and her hull plans.
The phrase "what a fascinating modern age we are living in" is one I employ each opportunity. I hope that this receives the appropriate approbation from your Lords... "
""What a fascinating modern age we live in" .... some people who heard that line when watched this movie in theaters 15 years ago might laugh, only to be laughed at by us today who have even more advance tech, n we also might be laughed at by some people 15 years from now, n so on....
I've never laughed to people of the past, even if their choices seemed so primitive to me. If history has taught me anything, is that it's very easy to judge something after it has occurred, in the calm of your house, reading a book or watching a video. It's altogether another thing to be in those moments, with a totally different world around you and a general mindset very different from your own. So yes, you can make some judgments on the past, but it wouldn't hurt to study it better before doing them and avoid laugher.
Two foot thick, made from live oak. One of the reasons why the British Admirality had to order their captains not to engage US ships without at least a 2 to 1 advantage.
@@RNJuiceable Were they? That's neat, have you got any details or sources for that? Would be interested to read. As I understood it the british strategy was basically stick Ships of the Line outside US ports to negate the speed advantage.
@@RNJuiceable I never heard that forests here we're guarded because of that, sounds like it'd be quite the undertaking when you consider that there are probably millions of acres of that specific oak back then. Reminds me of how venetian glass blowers were treated like royalty and guarded by whole detachments of their military because of their knowledge and skill's value.
@@williampoole1742 Certain forests. Back then, every country had "Navy Forests" which were government protected forests specifically planted with trees used exclusively for ship building. The Swedish island of Visingsö is a great example of this.
I actually think it's a much better film than SPR. That film has an amazing opening but the middle is pretty average. Master commander is so solid all the way through
He's perfect casting as Aubrey. Paul Bettany does as good a performance as Maturin as he can, but he's far too tall and handsome to really resemble the good doctor.
Sounds like someone is projecting and speaking from personal experience. We won't hold it against you since this is the age of tolerance and non-judgement. Whatever keeps your boat afloat, even if it means your stern has welcomed more seamen than Boston Harbor.
Safe and sound and home again, let the water roar Jack, Safe and sound and home again, let the water roar Jack, Long we tossed on the rolling main,now were safe ashore Jack, Don't forget your old ship mate Volly rolly rolly righ oh!
Love this movie. The character Capt. Aubrey was taken from a real person, a Capt. Thomas Cochrane. A distant relative of mine, who actually has a very interesting story himself.
Cochrane’s name surely fits his persona and exploits. Ballsy and equally smart. The man made British admirals look like fools playing with crayons and almost singlehandedly liebrated two Latin American countries from the Spanish, along with getting himself into trouble for stock fraud 😂
Killick is the old fsshioned name for the rank of leading seaman its still used informally now in the rn. Jimmy was the affectionate term for first lieutenant or today the 1st lieutenant is a job title to the deputy co on a stone ship ie a naval shore base usually rank of at least cdr
In the book she was an American ship. They changed it to a French one because the studio didn't think it would take well Americans being the antagonist.
I enjoyed this movie, just watched it again this week. However, I'm not sure why this video is named Servant Leadership. The deleted scene where Captain Aubrey helps at the windlass to raise the anchor would have fit this description better.
She's based off the USS constitution which is still afloIslands. Undefeated in combat true an American military antagonist wouldn't have gone over well in the early 2000s and it made even less sense that an American ship would take part in an adventure on this scale. The US Navys Commodore freaked out when captains started taking prizes near the European coast. Much less near South America or the Gallapogos islands.
I thought this movie used content from a few of the books to create an original narrative. Aubrey is chased in a similar way by the Wakkzamheid but he is sailing the horrible old Leopard during that chase. In the movie he mentions how the French Captain could have been looking over his shoulder while he plotted their course, as he anticipated Jack's course almost perfectly, which is taken from the novel. The battle with the Norfolk occurred off the coast of Boston, did it not? Aubrey was aboard the HMS Shannon which was commanded by his cousin (my fav novel of the series). The lesser of two weevils scene was also taken from a different novel. I think the reason they used an American-built frigate in French hands is because Aubrey mentions more than once how he would like to be posted on the American station so he could engage and possibly take an advanced American frigate. Being a flim for an American audience, they didn't want to have an American enemy in the first of what was hoped to have been several A&M movies.
Ordinary thinking: "She's out of our class." Successful thinking: "She's vulnerable at the stern, just like the rest of us" Where ordinary thinkers see only the obstacles, successful thinkers see the opportunities.
There was an old joke that the French built such superior ships that the RN captains all vied to be given commands of captured French prizes....that's what happens when you have the better ships but the worse crews and officers....you provide the enemy with great ships....:-)
There's a lot of truth in that; British ship-making of the time was often weighed down in bureaucracy and old-fashioned, rigid ideas and methods. Although the RN were dominant, the ships were often functional over anything else. The crews were superior to any other though - deep down the British sailors had more desire for the prize, as if it was ingrained.
The well built accurate model is of the Sister ship of the USS CONSTITUTION and was built in the same Yard . However there was no Copper installed on its Draft portion (like CONSTITUTION) of it Hull.
I love how since this is in the Napoleonic Wars, where in the War of 1812 it became ROYAL NAVY POLICY to not take on an American ship alone, that essentially America is building the best ships in the world at that time XD
Not exactly. The order of the Royal Navy not to engage a ship alone was only in regards to the USS Constitution, not all American ships. As for the best ships in the world, that depends. US at the time knew very well that they could never compete to European navies when it came to size, so they put in a lot more effort per ship. This approach is good if you're fighting lots of small battles, but in a decisive battle, where numbers count, that might be an issue. Also, putting in a lot of effort in a single ship will have more devastating consequences when said ship is lost.
@@ojarsvitols1641 Except… The USS constitution was one of a new class of six purpose built frigates. You couldn’t really tell the difference between one of these ships and the merchantmen-turned-warships that the early US navy employed, until your cannonballs were already bouncing off their hulls. Thus, the order included all American ships.
Not entirely true. The RN vastly, vastly outnumbered the new US navy. The US navy had 15-18 ships, the Royal navy had about a 1000. The order was meant for the new class, not the navy on a whole. With all due respect, but if the RN decided to destroy this new navy it could done so easily. After Napolean was defeated there was no need to stop American shipping to take sailors, therefore the stopping of American ships came to an end. The trading relationship between the US and Britain was too beneficial to both nations to set back. Its interesting to know at this time there wasn't wasn't really such a thing as nationality in the sense you know it now. Most Americans had British family and visa versa. British sailors became American to work, American sailors would do exactly the same. Nationality wasnt set in stone, as paperwork could be forged easily. The most interesting thing about the war of 1812 was that it created a sense that one was purely American for the majority of the population. It did the same for Canada. Canadians became proud of their victory against the American invaders.
@@adamdriver1016 Britain might have the most ships of the line, frigates, corvettes and other warships but America has truly has the best refined well designed ships in the world at that time.
@@inigobantok1579 Did they? They had a a very small number of advanced ships which were too costly to lose, hence were not allowed anywhere the British ships without an escort.
Tried making a plank-on-bulkhead ship model once.. holy mother of god does it take a natural skill / craftsmanship.. none of which do I have in any way 😅. What an awesome movie though, hope a big budget Trafalgar movie is made in my life time with the same love and attention
I don't think I would cross that big servant on a bet...Killick if they found him dead in action it would be guarding the Captain's Jack's back! P.S. the U.S. first 8 frigate were all '44's' (in reality something that could easily be rated as a 3rd class ship of the line in most navies of the time), and with superior tactics) aiming for base of the main mast in most actions they could outshoot) the seemingly random aim of the RN frigates of the time
Actually, not true. First there were only 6 authorized and only 3 were rated 44s, the others were rated 38s. Constitution, United States, and Congress were rated 44s; Constellation, Philadelphia, and Essex were rated 38s. However, Constellation's buolder didn't like the approved plans and modified them to his liking. She was smaller than the other two and normally carried only 36 guns. Constitution normally carried 52 guns during the War of 1812; 12 lbr Long guns, 24 lbr Long guns, and 36 lbr Carronades used for devasting broadsides at short range. This mix was far superior to British frigates armament which typically had 18 lbr Long guns as their heaviest gun.
Part of the reason USS Constitution won it's name "Old Ironsides" because the designer was a genius who made his limited resources work and the used of southern live oak in building her.
I can't recall - does this scene come before or after the seamen on stage right gets flogged?? If it's after, that would make this scene brilliant. Amazing movie just in general.
I find it a little hard to believe that Willy was able to perfectly recall the design of a ship he saw being built at least two years before and describe it well enough for Joe to come up with an exact model. Edit: The replies to this comment are probably right.
George Hamilton I don't. He's a sailor and was obviously fascinated by this new design. It's understandable he'd pay extra attention to a revolutionary ship's construction. An early nerd, if you will...😉
The ship is a modern American design. Despite being larger and longer for it's ship size, the design makes it move through the water with ease, allowing it to be a faster ship for its size. Also, it's made with American wood (the movie ship is actually based on the American ship, the USS Constitution) which when layered in traditional ship-making wood, made it more durable than other ships of the era.
@@JnEricsonx Why are you talking about small arms rounds? Ships sides then as now were designed to resist heavy artillery. Back in the early 1800's that meant (non -explosive) iron cannon balls which relied only on kinetic energy for their penetrating power. A single modern 12 inch explosive shell would obliterate even a 2 foot oaken hull.
@@brianmurray6094 Hey thanks for the info! So more than I thought it would be but probably less than they deserve! Where did you learn that if you don't mind me asking?
Was it "rum" or was it grog (watered down rum.) Since Killick says "he was saving it for salutin' day," presumably for the officers, since Aubrey said they would drink wine instead, it was actual rum and not grog.
In the books the ship was a Constitution-class frigate operated by the Americans. They changed it to the French in the movie because they didn't think it would go over well in the USA.
Having not read the books i wouldn't know. But was Aubrey overly cavelier or did he think with his head? Seems mad to think about taking on the Phantom
he was based on cochrane (a genius) and the battles are taken from log books at the time. he combined daring with skill, cunning and tactical genius. Aubrey is Cochrane brought to life.
Cavalier? Not in the least. Aubrey is a cunning warrior combining great skill, daring and knowledge of his profession. In the books he is consistently shown to have a brilliant mind when it comes to naval tactics, strategy, celestial navigation and the other skills needed to produce a successful frigate captain. The books also shows him to have a keen understanding of the men he leads, how to recognize and develop talent in junior officers and how to encourage and motivate the common sailors. Time and again Aubrey is shown to be able to do more with less than would be thought possible. He is a keen proponent of naval gunnery, believing (correctly IMO) that fast accurate fire of his cannons is imperative to winning battles. He is shown to be an uncommonly good sailor, able to get the maximum speed out of any ship he is commanding.
@@ashleighelizabeth5916 And Lucky Jack served under Admiral Lord Horatio Nelson, who was the greatest tactician in the Napoleonic Wars. No doubt he learned a thing or two of Nelson
There was also a sort of almost fatalistic aggressiveness that was widely noted in RN officers of that era. After Admiral Byng was shot in 1757 to 'encourage the others', the RN's officers rapidly shifted their motivation to avoid the same treatment!
Sailors had a lot of off shifts, and when not resting they had little to do on a ship of war. The maker of the model is a Carpenter's Mate so he would have excellent skill at woodworking too.
Probably made from scratch , I've seen some pretty incredible models from that period made by French prisoners of war scraps of wood bits of bone broken nails painstakingly work but amazing results .
@@iroscoe So when I was visiting the U.S. Naval Academy's museum, the curator was explaining that French ship designers were an invaluable economical and war asset when taken prisoner by the British. Instead of the normal stockades and terribly poor cells, they would be given much better living quarters in exchange for new and innovated ship models. This basically accomplished three things: 1. The captured ship designers would be able to continue their work under luxurious conditions provided by the British; in most cases, a much higher quality of living than their previous nation. The model ships they made were allowed to be sold at market, which was even encouraged. In turn, the French captives typically made much more selling their innovations to the British than the French; all while receiving better living conditions than the typical prisoner of war. 2. The British would always be ahead of the French in naval technology due to the French innovators being constantly captured; and then voluntarily assimilate into British settlements because of their better livelihood. 3. The captive French ship designers also grew the economies of the British settlements they were held in as their ship models were a high priced commodity. Whether this was true or not, I'm not sure. But it sure was a fascinating explanation the guy was giving us about the French model ships.
Yeah, the Acheron is based on the USS Constitution, but the production company was concerned that making the antagonists of the movie American wouldn't go over well with American audiences, so they made them French instead.
@@clockmonkey "Hey guys, does anyone here happen to have seen this ship we're chasing out of the water and built a model of her based on memory, since she has a revolutionary hull design I'd like to see?" Do you have brain damage or something?
In 1831 the Swedish navy planted a large amount of oak with the intent of using it to build ships over a 100 years later. In 1975, the oaks were ready for harvest and were thus offered to the Navy Chief. Unfortunately, they grew just a tad bit too slow for the fascinating future we now live in.
I'd like to find out what happened to all that wood though, there's a hundred other industries that would have hopped right on that if they could buy it
@@williampoole1742 the oak forest is still maintained by the Swedish government on the island of Visingsö.
The idea of planning 100 years ahead is so foreign to us. To our eternal detriment.
And this is how we got IKEA. 😉
@@geoffellis1589 I wish! That would have been real quality furniture!
"That's the future, what a fascinating modern age we live in." How humbling. People like him are incredible. Always forward thinking and quick to adapt to the future.
This is a little ironic since Aubrey in the books is a dyed-in-the-wool conservative and resists essentially all innovation in both his personal and professional lives. He doesn't even like wheel locks on his cannons since they can hang fire-he prefers the old-fashioned match lock.
You managed to miss his wistful expression of resignation?
It's my favorite line of the movie and I repeat it often, though usually ironically.
@@CG-vn8iy Same here.
@@NiceTryLaoChe he'd hate percussion caps, minie` balls and other conical-shaped bullets. He'd despise fixed metallic cartridges as well, much less all manners repeating firearms
Killick was one of my favorite characters in this movie. He never said much, but you could tell when he was annoyed.
He's like that in the books--always generally referred to as a cantakerous, grumpy soul who's an amazing cook.
Yet him and Aubrey are close - during the singing round the wardroom table at dinner, Aubrey gives Killick a glass of wine which he takes and acknowledges with a bowing of the head - the only crewmember to get this
I liked how he charged at the enemy after boarding the acheron 🤣🤣
There's 3 lumps in there.....
@@user-dc1dr9kr8x ...How kind.
One of the finest movies ever made. It screamed for a sequel.
Even the ending, which left a clear opening as they turned to pursue the Acheron...again, reminded me so much of Star Trek the original series. Just the chemistry and joking of Aubrey and Stephen reminded me of Kirk and Spock/McCoy.
The British Empire was the federation .
I'd just about kill for a sequel.I love this film.It's hard to watch at times,because of it's realism:a little boy losing part of his arm...the doldrums...the butcher's bill in the wake of the battle...but it's impossible to avoid being drawn in,or at least it was for me.Nobody else I know personally was interested,so seeing so many people here on TH-cam expressing their love of the film,offering bits of information gleaned from history,is wonderful.And the music! Perfect.
honestly, when it first came out i used to go see it just to attend over lunch. had this great cinema next to where i worked. I knew a sequel wouldn't be made after i saw first weekend numbers. truly a pity. I think I saw it more than ten times.
Unfortunately the sequal if historically accurate would end in tears for us😩
It is hard - yes, a sequel would have been wonderful, and yet there is something about having this one perfect gem, rather than having to worry about whether "the franchise" could hold up.
“She’s still vulnerable at the stern. Like the rest of us.” Tom Pullins and the other officer look at him like “wtf?!?!?”
The real life captain Aubrey was based on, Thomas Cochrane, was infinitely more terrifying in his lack of concern for mere human problems like mortality or fear. Patrick O'Brian wrote something to this effect in the prologue to the first novel; that it really was impossible to exaggerate the heroism of these men.
@@MrBendylaw Mortality? That's quitter talk! And Mommy Cochrane didn't raise no quitter!
@@MrBendylaw The books are incredible, as the the Audiobooks on Audible
@@DrBojangles007 Agreed. I've often said that those books should be required reading for upper-management types, or perhaps teachers and principals, lol. Anyone in the position of having to lead a large number of people.
Unfortunately, they are probably a bit too abstract in the technical details and language for at least 50% of the reader's out there.
@@dylanwight5764 He went back to get the dog. Anyone who knows Cochrane's history understands how mad, and beautiful this was. Zero fear of death.
Acheron was based off USS Constitution, the oldest commissioned ship in the US Navy. She isn't termed 'old ironsides' for no reason, beautiful ship, she's 200 and some odd years old, and still looks perfect.
She is indeed, though to be fair they have had to rebuild her at least twice in the last 100 years or so. At some point some dimwit apparently had the diagonal bracing out that gave her hull its strength. There was a fascinating article in Wooden Boat Magazine about her construction about the time of her last rebuild.
I've been on USS Constitution & HMS Victory. Both were really interesting.
In the book the Acheron was an American ship the USS Norfolk, it was changed to French in the movie so the US wouldn't be the "bad guy". However, when designing the Acheron for the movie they used scans of the USS Constitution and her hull plans.
Yes, Robdog, the USS Constitution is indeed a beautiful ship. I'm glad the Navy kept her as a commissioned vessel.
I was wondering though if the modeled vessel could be beached for hull scrapping/repairs.
This captain is the best film illustrating what a great leader does
If I had Russell Crowe's buttery voice, I'd be able to pull more tail than a mean kid in a petting zoo.
this is fucking genius hahahaha
If ever a saying...thanks lad!
Some men get the world. Others get ex-hookers and a trip to Arizona.
Still thinking about this comment man
LOL!!!
The phrase "what a fascinating modern age we are living in" is one I employ each opportunity. I hope that this receives the appropriate approbation from your Lords... "
""What a fascinating modern age we live in" .... some people who heard that line when watched this movie in theaters 15 years ago might laugh, only to be laughed at by us today who have even more advance tech, n we also might be laughed at by some people 15 years from now, n so on....
The cycle will continue
I've never laughed to people of the past, even if their choices seemed so primitive to me. If history has taught me anything, is that it's very easy to judge something after it has occurred, in the calm of your house, reading a book or watching a video. It's altogether another thing to be in those moments, with a totally different world around you and a general mindset very different from your own. So yes, you can make some judgments on the past, but it wouldn't hurt to study it better before doing them and avoid laugher.
The way of the future !
Doesn't time fly! It seems yesterday I saw this film with my colleagues with their newly bought, latest technology Blackberrys.
@@mrmaster9801 Indeed. We will all be judged, bar none.
Which I was saving for Salutin' Day...
Fine then we'll drink wine
Grumpy old Killig
"Oh...wine on Salutin' Day" lol
Two foot thick, made from live oak. One of the reasons why the British Admirality had to order their captains not to engage US ships without at least a 2 to 1 advantage.
SOUTHERN live oak... there's a difference, and the reason southern U.S. forests used to be guarded
@@RNJuiceable Were they? That's neat, have you got any details or sources for that? Would be interested to read.
As I understood it the british strategy was basically stick Ships of the Line outside US ports to negate the speed advantage.
@@RNJuiceable I never heard that forests here we're guarded because of that, sounds like it'd be quite the undertaking when you consider that there are probably millions of acres of that specific oak back then. Reminds me of how venetian glass blowers were treated like royalty and guarded by whole detachments of their military because of their knowledge and skill's value.
You realise this is based off a real story but it was an American ship which the British took
With a much smaller crew and class
So.............
@@williampoole1742 Certain forests. Back then, every country had "Navy Forests" which were government protected forests specifically planted with trees used exclusively for ship building. The Swedish island of Visingsö is a great example of this.
So many didn't get this excellent movie. It's too bad it ended with only one ever made.
Agreed! It would have been good to have done one or two more with the Battle of Trafalgar as the finale.
Yup. Should've ended in the 3rd film, with Battle of Trafalgar settings or the moment Aubrey rise as rear admiral
This is the "Saving Private Ryan" of Tall ship war movies lol. GREAT Movie!
I actually think it's a much better film than SPR. That film has an amazing opening but the middle is pretty average. Master commander is so solid all the way through
SPR too long and at least 2 scenes cringe worthy…M&C a masterpiece!!
SPR is historicaly inaccurate bullcrap... can not compare with Master and Commander at all.
Listening to all of the Aubrey and Maturin Novels on Audible now and i picture Aubrey as Russell Crow.
He's perfect casting as Aubrey. Paul Bettany does as good a performance as Maturin as he can, but he's far too tall and handsome to really resemble the good doctor.
I've just finished desolation island with audible . I'm enjoying them in chronological order.
That's a good thing! 😆😂👍🏽
@@mad7206 I'm on Desolation Island now. Greatest book series EVER
@@RNJuiceable I'm now onto the fortune of war . I quite like the audible app . I'm a long distance driver and I have it on when I'm on the road
"She's vulnerable in the stern, like the rest of us."
"Personal experience, Cap'n?"
oy, 10 lashes!
Perhaps yours...
Don't let your ship get raked.
The cabin boy typically had other...duties.
Sounds like someone is projecting and speaking from personal experience. We won't hold it against you since this is the age of tolerance and non-judgement. Whatever keeps your boat afloat, even if it means your stern has welcomed more seamen than Boston Harbor.
"long we've tossed on the rolling main...now we're safe ashore Jack.. don't forget your old shipmates folly rolly rolly rolly ri ohhh"
Safe and sound and home again, let the water roar Jack,
Safe and sound and home again, let the water roar Jack,
Long we tossed on the rolling main,now were safe ashore Jack,
Don't forget your old ship mate
Volly rolly rolly righ oh!
Love this movie. The character Capt. Aubrey was taken from a real person, a Capt. Thomas Cochrane. A distant relative of mine, who actually has a very interesting story himself.
the most 'interesting'...in the world
Interesting is an understanding, Capt. Cochrane's exploits were unreal.
Cochrane’s name surely fits his persona and exploits. Ballsy and equally smart. The man made British admirals look like fools playing with crayons and almost singlehandedly liebrated two Latin American countries from the Spanish, along with getting himself into trouble for stock fraud 😂
This is one of those films I will watch happily whenever I chance upon it.
Killick is the old fsshioned name for the rank of leading seaman its still used informally now in the rn. Jimmy was the affectionate term for first lieutenant or today the 1st lieutenant is a job title to the deputy co on a stone ship ie a naval shore base usually rank of at least cdr
The RCN still uses it as well :)
Willie's wife's second cousin.....Thank yee !
Too cool as I just finished up a leadership course based on Servant Leadership Pillars
fkn love this movie
"She's out of our class. She's a 44 gun ship."
she's a constitution class frigate - but don't tell the Americans that
In the book she was an American ship. They changed it to a French one because the studio didn't think it would take well Americans being the antagonist.
@erwin669: And they were probably right.
I'm not american, but setting this against the French in the Napoleonic Era is far more romantic. A fight against the americans would be kinda, meh...
@@gre8 It's never clear why a French ship was apparently being built in Boston Harbor.
Goddamn I LOVE this movie
I enjoyed this movie, just watched it again this week. However, I'm not sure why this video is named Servant Leadership. The deleted scene where Captain Aubrey helps at the windlass to raise the anchor would have fit this description better.
I totally agree...this clip has nothing to do with servant leadership. Confused by the title.
And to think she was built in Boston, yet in the book the ship is actually USS Norfolk and it was during the war of 1812
She's based off the USS constitution which is still afloIslands. Undefeated in combat true an American military antagonist wouldn't have gone over well in the early 2000s and it made even less sense that an American ship would take part in an adventure on this scale. The US Navys Commodore freaked out when captains started taking prizes near the European coast. Much less near South America or the Gallapogos islands.
I thought this movie used content from a few of the books to create an original narrative. Aubrey is chased in a similar way by the Wakkzamheid but he is sailing the horrible old Leopard during that chase. In the movie he mentions how the French Captain could have been looking over his shoulder while he plotted their course, as he anticipated Jack's course almost perfectly, which is taken from the novel. The battle with the Norfolk occurred off the coast of Boston, did it not? Aubrey was aboard the HMS Shannon which was commanded by his cousin (my fav novel of the series). The lesser of two weevils scene was also taken from a different novel. I think the reason they used an American-built frigate in French hands is because Aubrey mentions more than once how he would like to be posted on the American station so he could engage and possibly take an advanced American frigate. Being a flim for an American audience, they didn't want to have an American enemy in the first of what was hoped to have been several A&M movies.
This film is one of these cases where the film is more believable than the reality.
Ordinary thinking: "She's out of our class."
Successful thinking: "She's vulnerable at the stern, just like the rest of us"
Where ordinary thinkers see only the obstacles, successful thinkers see the opportunities.
There was an old joke that the French built such superior ships that the RN captains all vied to be given commands of captured French prizes....that's what happens when you have the better ships but the worse crews and officers....you provide the enemy with great ships....:-)
There's a lot of truth in that; British ship-making of the time was often weighed down in bureaucracy and old-fashioned, rigid ideas and methods. Although the RN were dominant, the ships were often functional over anything else. The crews were superior to any other though - deep down the British sailors had more desire for the prize, as if it was ingrained.
I read another joke of the time that the English built their ships by the mile.
The well built accurate model is of the Sister ship of the USS CONSTITUTION and was built in the same Yard . However there was no Copper installed on its Draft portion (like CONSTITUTION) of it Hull.
One of the 5 best movies of the 21st century.
Why this didn't get a sequel but a dud like 'Dune' did is an eternal mystery.
That extra ration of rum is what got that fellow flogged for insubordination. Not a detail I picked up until my ten thousandth viewing.
I don't think so. Realize that event has to be days, or weeks later. And he'd been drinking grog, which is like watered down alcohol or something.
@@JnEricsonx I do think so.
@@smmclaug75 Grog is watered down rum
"ship too big. too many cannons. lets go home and say we failed"
And yet they persevered, until they found a way, as we must.
I love how since this is in the Napoleonic Wars, where in the War of 1812 it became ROYAL NAVY POLICY to not take on an American ship alone, that essentially America is building the best ships in the world at that time XD
Not exactly. The order of the Royal Navy not to engage a ship alone was only in regards to the USS Constitution, not all American ships. As for the best ships in the world, that depends. US at the time knew very well that they could never compete to European navies when it came to size, so they put in a lot more effort per ship. This approach is good if you're fighting lots of small battles, but in a decisive battle, where numbers count, that might be an issue. Also, putting in a lot of effort in a single ship will have more devastating consequences when said ship is lost.
@@ojarsvitols1641 Except… The USS constitution was one of a new class of six purpose built frigates. You couldn’t really tell the difference between one of these ships and the merchantmen-turned-warships that the early US navy employed, until your cannonballs were already bouncing off their hulls. Thus, the order included all American ships.
Not entirely true.
The RN vastly, vastly outnumbered the new US navy. The US navy had 15-18 ships, the Royal navy had about a 1000.
The order was meant for the new class, not the navy on a whole.
With all due respect, but if the RN decided to destroy this new navy it could done so easily. After Napolean was defeated there was no need to stop American shipping to take sailors, therefore the stopping of American ships came to an end. The trading relationship between the US and Britain was too beneficial to both nations to set back.
Its interesting to know at this time there wasn't wasn't really such a thing as nationality in the sense you know it now. Most Americans had British family and visa versa.
British sailors became American to work, American sailors would do exactly the same. Nationality wasnt set in stone, as paperwork could be forged easily.
The most interesting thing about the war of 1812 was that it created a sense that one was purely American for the majority of the population.
It did the same for Canada. Canadians became proud of their victory against the American invaders.
@@adamdriver1016 Britain might have the most ships of the line, frigates, corvettes and other warships but America has truly has the best refined well designed ships in the world at that time.
@@inigobantok1579 Did they?
They had a a very small number of advanced ships which were too costly to lose, hence were not allowed anywhere the British ships without an escort.
They made fucking 9 fast and furious movies but only 1 of these gens ffs !
Tried making a plank-on-bulkhead ship model once.. holy mother of god does it take a natural skill / craftsmanship.. none of which do I have in any way 😅. What an awesome movie though, hope a big budget Trafalgar movie is made in my life time with the same love and attention
Wine on saluin day...aaaahhhh bahahaah
And that's how Willy and Joe [extra points if you get that reference] got 'prenticed to the Ship's Carpenter
"Safe and sound at home again,"
"Let the waters roar jack! "
.... "Long we've tossed on the rolling main"
I enjoyed all 12 pixels of this video
I don't think I would cross that big servant on a bet...Killick if they found him dead in action it would be guarding the Captain's Jack's back! P.S. the U.S. first 8 frigate were all '44's' (in reality something that could easily be rated as a 3rd class ship of the line in most navies of the time), and with superior tactics) aiming for base of the main mast in most actions they could outshoot) the seemingly random aim of the RN frigates of the time
Actually, not true. First there were only 6 authorized and only 3 were rated 44s, the others were rated 38s. Constitution, United States, and Congress were rated 44s; Constellation, Philadelphia, and Essex were rated 38s. However, Constellation's buolder didn't like the approved plans and modified them to his liking. She was smaller than the other two and normally carried only 36 guns. Constitution normally carried 52 guns during the War of 1812; 12 lbr Long guns, 24 lbr Long guns, and 36 lbr Carronades used for devasting broadsides at short range. This mix was far superior to British frigates armament which typically had 18 lbr Long guns as their heaviest gun.
If they found him dead in action, it would be guarding the captain's best coat and gold-laced hat. 🤣
Part of the reason USS Constitution won it's name "Old Ironsides" because the designer was a genius who made his limited resources work and the used of southern live oak in building her.
Fascinating modern age we live in. That's interesting that people then believed that. Imagine if they could see today
"That's the future"
"No sir, the Americans have a ship called a Nuclear Submarine..."
"A Nuclear wha?"
USS Iowa casts Sixteen Inch Projectile! It's Super Effective!
@@Elthenar tha-that's cool...
The Frog has nuclear aircraft carrier
"What ? Carrier? Aircraft?"
But RN has vertical take off aircraft
"What take off?
280miles a day is quite impressive.
I can't recall - does this scene come before or after the seamen on stage right gets flogged?? If it's after, that would make this scene brilliant. Amazing movie just in general.
I find it a little hard to believe that Willy was able to perfectly recall the design of a ship he saw being built at least two years before and describe it well enough for Joe to come up with an exact model.
Edit: The replies to this comment are probably right.
George Hamilton I don't. He's a sailor and was obviously fascinated by this new design. It's understandable he'd pay extra attention to a revolutionary ship's construction. An early nerd, if you will...😉
Ive seen it with pilots they see a plane and remember many small details...
Peter T Exactly. People were, as a rule, much more observant and aware of their surroundings back then. They had to be; their lives depended on it.
Some people had photografic memory. Also, as the others said, in that time people had to memorize things and had less distraction.
This was before we wasted all of our time with our faces buried in smart phones.
Can someone explain :58 onward when he's describing the ship? I can hear what he's saying but I don't understand it.
The ship is a modern American design. Despite being larger and longer for it's ship size, the design makes it move through the water with ease, allowing it to be a faster ship for its size. Also, it's made with American wood (the movie ship is actually based on the American ship, the
USS Constitution) which when layered in traditional ship-making wood, made it more durable than other ships of the era.
imagine a ship with a hull 2 foot thick. even a modern .50 armor piecing round would not penatrate that.
One shot, yeah. Fire off a burst from a M2? You're gonna cause some hell. You will do some damage.
@@JnEricsonx Why are you talking about small arms rounds? Ships sides then as now were designed to resist heavy artillery. Back in the early 1800's that meant (non -explosive) iron cannon balls which relied only on kinetic energy for their penetrating power. A single modern 12 inch explosive shell would obliterate even a 2 foot oaken hull.
I honestly think they should have been rewarded a little more for that.
Isn't this the rum that Joe gets belligerent on?
I don't think so, considering the extra ration of rum at the time probably just meant one extra drink, etc. He's drinking grog or whatever later on.
No, it was grog.
oh drink wine on salutin day....
Killick is so funny dude.
How much would a ration of rum be? A shot? A bottle?
8 oz.
@@brianmurray6094 Hey thanks for the info! So more than I thought it would be but probably less than they deserve! Where did you learn that if you don't mind me asking?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rum_ration There's a wikipedia article on it, it seems.
@@pillsburygoatSeems like I have always known. So it seems like I don't really remember. I have always thought it to be common knowledge .
Was it "rum" or was it grog (watered down rum.) Since Killick says "he was saving it for salutin' day," presumably for the officers, since Aubrey said they would drink wine instead, it was actual rum and not grog.
Britannia rules the waves!
Wasn't the Acheron played by the USS Constitution? Thought she had a diagonal rib frame.
In the books the ship was a Constitution-class frigate operated by the Americans. They changed it to the French in the movie because they didn't think it would go over well in the USA.
I quote this all the time ; )
can anyone direct me to a site where I can see the hull shape of a ship like the Surprise? I'd love to see if what the difference is.
It's the inside of the hull. Drachinfel has a video on Constitution that shows it well.
Exactly accurate after seeing it out of water for 10min 😂
she's still vulnerable at the stern. like the rest of us 😏🫡
And that's how Klaus Mikaelson came to America🧛🥃🩸
Read the books.....
Having not read the books i wouldn't know. But was Aubrey overly cavelier or did he think with his head? Seems mad to think about taking on the Phantom
he was based on cochrane (a genius) and the battles are taken from log books at the time. he combined daring with skill, cunning and tactical genius. Aubrey is Cochrane brought to life.
Cavalier? Not in the least. Aubrey is a cunning warrior combining great skill, daring and knowledge of his profession. In the books he is consistently shown to have a brilliant mind when it comes to naval tactics, strategy, celestial navigation and the other skills needed to produce a successful frigate captain. The books also shows him to have a keen understanding of the men he leads, how to recognize and develop talent in junior officers and how to encourage and motivate the common sailors. Time and again Aubrey is shown to be able to do more with less than would be thought possible. He is a keen proponent of naval gunnery, believing (correctly IMO) that fast accurate fire of his cannons is imperative to winning battles. He is shown to be an uncommonly good sailor, able to get the maximum speed out of any ship he is commanding.
@@ashleighelizabeth5916 And Lucky Jack served under Admiral Lord Horatio Nelson, who was the greatest tactician in the Napoleonic Wars. No doubt he learned a thing or two of Nelson
@@ashleighelizabeth5916 He's just not a very good landsman, exhibit A being his somewhat naive trust of banks and architects.
There was also a sort of almost fatalistic aggressiveness that was widely noted in RN officers of that era. After Admiral Byng was shot in 1757 to 'encourage the others', the RN's officers rapidly shifted their motivation to avoid the same treatment!
Imagine if we built ships like Constitution for the French (our allies at the time). History would be very different.
Probably for the best. I don't think the world would be in a better place if Napoleon had succeeded in conquering Britain.
The British had better training, superior seamanship and gunnery. So the result would have been the same.
That model would have taken a busy sailor weeks to make. That's a lot of wasted time when these lads could have come aft and drawn out what they saw.
Sailors had a lot of off shifts, and when not resting they had little to do on a ship of war. The maker of the model is a Carpenter's Mate so he would have excellent skill at woodworking too.
Extra ration of rum indeed. Well deserved.
I wonder why it took them so long to come up with that.
Imagine making that scale model and all you get is more fucking grog
Extra rum? Aye sir!
One of klaus mikaelsons adventures
where did he get a model like that?
Probably made from scratch , I've seen some pretty incredible models from that period made by French prisoners of war scraps of wood bits of bone broken nails painstakingly work but amazing results .
His friend is a carpenter, he made it!
ebay
Later on the after the doctor worries a hole in the old guys skull he plugs it with a hammerd silver coin and 3 small nalis
@@iroscoe So when I was visiting the U.S. Naval Academy's museum, the curator was explaining that French ship designers were an invaluable economical and war asset when taken prisoner by the British. Instead of the normal stockades and terribly poor cells, they would be given much better living quarters in exchange for new and innovated ship models. This basically accomplished three things:
1. The captured ship designers would be able to continue their work under luxurious conditions provided by the British; in most cases, a much higher quality of living than their previous nation. The model ships they made were allowed to be sold at market, which was even encouraged. In turn, the French captives typically made much more selling their innovations to the British than the French; all while receiving better living conditions than the typical prisoner of war.
2. The British would always be ahead of the French in naval technology due to the French innovators being constantly captured; and then voluntarily assimilate into British settlements because of their better livelihood.
3. The captive French ship designers also grew the economies of the British settlements they were held in as their ship models were a high priced commodity.
Whether this was true or not, I'm not sure. But it sure was a fascinating explanation the guy was giving us about the French model ships.
Why would a french ship be built in Boston?
The French did buy some smaller vessels from American yards .
We are allies with the French since the Revolutionary War, it wasn't uncommon to share some of our resources to them.
Also in the novel they are fighting the US
Also the bare in mind that half if not more of the Royal Navy at the time was made up of ships from the French and Spanish yards.
@@SuperDougiedoo CAPTURED ones
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Nice
Rip warley
So that dudes just like a little master craftsman or something? How did he build that? lol
Carpenter's mate.
Back then people had the skills to do that sort of thing, especially in the service.
They work on a wooden ship. I think they had to have carpentry skills. Especially back then when it took months to reach port.
It’s his job, for all intents and purposes. He’s a carpenter’s mate. Building stuff from scratch is what he does.
King Phillip of Spain in 1594 with the Spanish Armouda would of destroyed all these ships.
"Yankee Built" but they toss it to the French.
Yeah, the Acheron is based on the USS Constitution, but the production company was concerned that making the antagonists of the movie American wouldn't go over well with American audiences, so they made them French instead.
servant leadership? what the heck?
Did you pull out your crayons and found a new country, yet? So you can pull military rank in civilian life.
Yankees?
Pity you can’t join them up
A tot of rum for all that effort and info but probably got a day off from being in the bumming barrel
What a stroke of luck that weeks ago he started work on a model of a ship that by coincidence attacked them.
Nah, off watch they have nothing but time. Betcha he knocked that together in 2 day's time
@@tommypetraglia4688 Yeah, its surprising really that Aubrey didn't just ask the crew if anyone had a model of her.
@@clockmonkey "Hey guys, does anyone here happen to have seen this ship we're chasing out of the water and built a model of her based on memory, since she has a revolutionary hull design I'd like to see?" Do you have brain damage or something?
@@codyking4848 What don't you understand?
@@clockmonkey How you can be so stupid. You must be trolling. Noone is that stupid.
con is a boomer