As a Columbia grad, I don't get this post-season ban in football only. All other sports can compete in post-season play. I do agree that athletic scholarships are a thing to avoid unless the student athletes maintain their academics
Banning post-season play for exams is hilarious these days, given they could take most exams from literally anywhere - which was true even with a pen and paper long before the internet became what it is today. Another way the Ivies could maintain academic excellence (if legal): do a scholarship endowment, funded by an NIL Partnership, but have higher GPA requirements, AND make the scholarship rescindable for students who enter the draft and drop out of school - that is, make the scholarship contingent on successful graduation from their bachelors. Make them play all the way through their undergrad.
To add to the absurdity that is the Ivy League banning postseason because of "exams"....they send their champion to the basketball tournament, which happens during.....exams.
@@RichV20 Anyone on the quarter system would be having winter finals in March. Dartmouth at least, from what I found, is still on quarters. But I could be completely wrong. But ok. Let's say most or all are on semesters and don't have finals til May. They let the baseball champ play in the NCAAs as well. Volleyball and other fall sports as well with a late November/early December tournament. I'm not against them prioritizing academics at all, more schools should. But it's just a weak excuse to not send a football team out on a Saturday in December when you send other teams out during finals through the year.
It was actually McGill University in Canada that invented football when they played Harvard and played the game their way which was a form of rugby and Harvard form was like soccer.
Harvard won the first match played under the “Boston rules”. The next day’s match played more rugbyesque rules of McGill ended as 0-0 tie. This, in the end , Harvard “HELD SWAY!!” For the first time! Then the Harvard players invited the Canadian players for tea and sandwiches at the A.D. and Fly Clubs. It was by all accounts a jolly time!
At the end of the day, it's the Ivy League's choice and they are better off having academics over athletics. Not every college at the D1 level needs football as the end all be all..
@@MarvelousMaxter Ivy was strong when college football was very small and had no competition from anyone (as college hockey is today), when college was becoming popular and the Ivy League stopped in time while the other conferences were adapting to the new reality. And to make matters worse, the public is preferring to watch the best teams on TV rather than watch the teams where they study or studied.
As a Johns Hopkins lacrosse fan (They play D1 in the Big Ten) i relish in being the "Nerdy and powerful connections" school with a lot of history in the sport. If anything it makes us the "Good guys" as a real historic institution with a century of history under our belt with the villains being Maryland, the sports over-achiever. Even though the sport itself is dominated by the better half of State schools and a few elite ones like Michigan & Virginia. Yale even once had a championship recently & the Private Catholic Loyola of Baltimore did it once over a decade ago.
Video deserves a million views. I completely agree with everything said. Would he super dope to see. Super frustrating how the Ivy league doesn’t want to modernize with the times
Growing up within a couple of miles of the Yale Bowl and being a lifelong Yale and Ivy League football fan it pains me each time I attend the story Yale Bowl with thoughts of the potential in the glorious past there is a lot that could be said about Ivy League football and all of these thoughts right to believe that Ivy football could return to its glory without academic compromise. I also think that if they did return to a prominent football position, they would not have to be a top 25 school to draw interest. I think they would travel well saying they have alumni from all over the country. Thank you for the interesting post. It's something I ponder every football season.
Great video. I really enjoyed your video. I considered Penn in the 70's but played at Redlands where we played in the NAIA Division II 1976 National Championship Game. At the time we played scholarship granting teams. We had no weight room, no recruiting, (players were usually referred by their high school coach)and , no spring football. It was very hard academically. However, I was all conference and was able to go to a top 20 law school. Playing football taught invaluable lessons. I think a good topic for you is to look at the SCIAC. It can be called the Ivy league of the west. Great academics at Redlands, Pomona, Cal Tech, Laverne, Claremont and Occidental. Chapman is highly regarded in Orange County and Whittier and Cal Lutheran are fine schools. I wonder when an alum pays NIL money it can be enough to pay tuition for a player. NIL is the difference maker. Whittier was the first in DIII. Let's see what happens after they raised $814,000 to revive their program when the were tasked with raising $250,000. Anyway, great video.
Yes, the Ivy League essentially invented modern football. However, when they did so the idea was for the game to be recreational and nothing more. College football culture today and the Ivy League exist on two separate planets. And there is nothing wrong with that.
I love watching Ivy League football. I look at it as more like chess: they have to be more strategic given they can't recruit based on athletic giftedness. Still, it's worth noting that a number of ivy league alumni end up in the NFL.
Dumbest comment award. All the ivy's just play each other over and over again while peppering in patriot league schools and other regional fcs to fill in their non conference. What is the "chess match" exactly?
Some of the Ivies (Harvard, Yale and Princeton - possibly others) already are offering ANY student who gets in full scholarships if their parents incomes are below a certain level - this alone would allow them to compete with other schools when it comes to scholarships.
It had been pointed out when an alumnus trying be written in a protest candidate to one of the governing boards at Harvard, that tuition is only 3% of the university’s revenue stream with its $50,000,000,000 endowment. Thus, costs should be lowered to almost nothing to attract brighter students from lower economic families who otherwise would not bother trying to apply.
Great video! Academics can still be the priority and build competitive football programs, able to compete at the highest level. Look at Northwestern, Georgia Tech, Vanderbilt, Duke etc. They have the money! They are more about their 'tradition.'
As someone who played football at both Harvard and Villanova, there are some things in this video that a firsthand experience could have expanded on and provided more accurate insight. Interesting video though!
That bandwagon comment hurt. I am a college sports junkie even though I never graduated from a college. I go to many Harvard hockey and football games, I also love going to the Beanpot every year. I already am a Bandwagon Harvard fan and would love to see them play in the FBS. I loved your video though
Harvards Varsity Club would be the top NIL collective and if you get athletes on that team they retake their record for most football titles quicker than you think
This is a great thought exercise even if most of the suggestions sound implausible. And there’s one more thing I’d like to add. The FBS won’t accept any teams that still has a track around their field. I love Penn’s Franklin Field but, as home to the Penn Relays, nothing higher than FCS football will be played here.
The FBS doesn't accept teams with a track around their field? Is that a brand-new rule? There are current FBS teams with tracks around their field. Nevada immediately comes to mind. Appalachian State too.
I like how the Ivy League does things currently other than that their football champion and any other at-large teams should be allowed to participate in the FCS postseason.
Very intriging hypothetical conference but I think it comes down to cost/benefit and they basically feel that as an institution/brand they have more to gain by not re-engaging with the FBS. Plus such decisions would probably have to be made unanimously
The golden age of the Ivy League was back when guys were students who happened to be athletes, not like the way it is today, where a majority go to college because it is the only option to pursue their football careers. If they NFL had a minor league system such as the one MLB has, over half of the guys who now attend college would opt for minor league for.
Pulling Lehigh away from their all-time rival, Lafayette, feels like a sin. It would be best to merge the Patriot League with the Ivy League since Army and Navy both have all of their sports other than football currently in it. In a way, in women's rowing, Harvard would have a playable rivalry with MIT.
Current Yale student here. I see absolutely nothing wrong with maintaining the current standards of no athletic scholarship and no NIL. To be honest, the culture here is not built for and would be very openly hostile to that (unfortunately, that’s just the truth). However I agree on one point, which is that being unable to play postseason games is absolutely indefensible. Not 100% on this, but I’m pretty sure football is literally the only sport this applies to. Football culture at Yale is absolutely dead, and I hate it as a lover of college football. The ability to actually play for something meaningful like a conference champ or playoff spot I think is all you need to get people interested. Last year we had to SHARE the conference championship with Harvard because we can’t actually play a real championship game. Such a bummer. I know everyone on campus would go crazy for that!
I went to Brown and while I agree that the culture would be openly hostile to athletic scholarships and NIL sponsorships, student athletes are already viewed as a lower tier of academics. Most teams operate on an average GPA basis, meaning you can bring someone in with a 2.0 if you also bring someone else in with a 4.0. Everyone knows there are some airheads in class so why not just full send it and offer scholarships. All we’re doing now is catering those spots to rich kids who played prep ball with the hope of being good enough to play mediocre Ivy football.
What is nonsensical is that the Ivy League playoff ban is only for football. In hockey and basketball, Ivy League teams sometimes do really well in the playoffs. Colleges like Cornell have an excellent hockey program and they attract really good players. And you always have one Ivy League team in the March Madness college basketball tournament. Another interesting point to consider is that if you take Cornell or Dartmouth for football, they perhaps have lacklustre football facilities however they are the main spectator sports team in their town/small city, and nothing close comes by attendance-wise, which makes them different from Harvard, Columbia or Penn. One interesting thing with Ivy League football is that outside the Harvard vs. Yale game, it's very affordable to watch Ivy League football as a spectator.
Harvard beat Minnesota in overtime to win the NCAA hockey championship in 1989. Lane MacDonald was captain and there were 3 other olympians on that team. It was awesome. Ted Donato, the current coach, was a freshman. Bill Cleary H’56 was coach and they beat the Soviets in Squaw Valley in the Olympics in ‘60(?).
(They had to recently remove a stained glass window from a library depicting alumnus John C. Calhoun…(or slaves picking crops?. I have to review it). due to protests).
The one thing the ivy league has going for it is college football is at inflection point. The ncaa is on its way out. A collective of the elite programs will create the next thing. Granted no ivy league schools are going to become part of the next thing directly, but they have an opportunity to improve there fate. For example perhaps the top 60 create there own league its likely they'll make path for the other schools to occasionally make the dance. Perhaps they can be part of the group of those other schools.
@@sunny1992s Fun fact, a southern ivy league almost happened. It was going to be called The Magnolia League. The conference would have had Vanderbilt, SMU, Rice, Duke, Georgia Tech, Wake Forest, Tulane, William & Mary, Miami, and even Davidson.
They still play in post season ncaa basketball but get crush frist round but I did watch a video of a TH-cam channel of him going to ive league football game and non of the students know a game was going on that day. But I'm surprised that they didn't change their standards when the other non ive schools started playing football .
The bottom line is the Ivy League values academics even differently then the schools you listed. Duke, Notre Dame, Stanford, and schools of those vein do have excellent academics but their values simply aligned differently. Now banning post season play in football is ridiculous cause they do allow other sports teams in their conference to take part in postseason activities, most notably the NCAA Tournament. I have always wondered if it was a thing of vanity that made them stop allowing postseason play in football. They were allowed to compete with the big boys in the NCAA Basketball Tournaments but maybe they fell it protects their image to just stay out of postseason play cause lets keep it real. They get kicked around by even FCS schools a lot of the time. I overall think you did a very good job with the video and hope your channel grows.
I understand the academic aspect of not participating in the postseason in the FCS, but they do in basketball? okay. Now I know that FCS Playoffs do not benefit these schools from a financial standpoint, hell most of these schools that made deep playoff run are dam near in a deficient. but just claiming the IVY Championship is not what it used to be.
Ivy League does not allow Graduate eligibility, basketball player EJ Jarvis of Yale decided to transfer to Florida. Abby Meyers who was the Ivy Women's Basketball player of the year, decided to transfer to Maryland was drafted first by the Dallas Wings in the WNBA got cut and did two hardship player tours of duty with the Washington Mystics.
Havard has enough endowment that if they stopped generating any endowment from here on out, they could afford the best NIL players, hire the best coach matching the salaries of the likes of Texas and Alabama's head coach, and fund a program simply "buying" players for the next 150 years. They could easily compete if they wanted to.
I dunno… there would be more Cambridge police showing up outside the Final Clubs and even the Lampoon with the shenanigans some of these students from football factory schools get into. …. Because the cops want to get autographs of the awesome players and party with them!!!!
Ivy League football is an absolute joke. They could at least participate in the FCS playoffs. That would at least give the conference some credibility.
Or how about the Ivy League compete in the FBS playoffs and lets schools from like the SEC or Big Ten to play and the price tag for them to play an Ivy League school is expensive because it's basically a guaranteed free win with the standards
I reckon it’ll happen once they completely disconnect the football from the academics - SEC is gunning for that future, but once the teams are brands rather than schools…
You laugh but some Ivy League teams/stadiums used to be available on some editions of the old NCAA college football games. They were not very good teams, however!
I don't know. Yes the Ivy League schools could rethink their model and revive enthusiasm for football among their students and alumni. But the past several decades has seen too much money flow into NCAA sports like football and basketball. The money has corrupted the idea of many colleges /universities being centers of higher learning.
I’ll stick with the Ivies. Clearly this kid is still loaded with teenage hormones and values. I love watching my team (Princeton) compete with other Ivies for the IL Championship, regardless of how outsiders may view it. Even if we are not loaded with All Americans, the teams play just as hard and the competition between schools is just as heartfelt as that between the most prominent football factories. The biggest difference is the order of values. In the IL, sports are extracurricular and not considered Carter skills. For the vast majority, team sports end after college. As for the travesty of NIL funds and the transfer tunnel, the effects are to turn college programs into semi pro leagues and talented athletes into hitchhikers shopping around each year for the best offer. One can’t blame them. But how can you develop team loyalty and cohesiveness among teammates who may see each other on opposite sides the next season. Just because we stick to our values and the priority of academics over athletics doesn’t mean we are wrong. We simply have different priorities. We like to live in the present and plan for the future rather than complete our glory days in our 20s and spend the rest of our lives looking back.
@@johnpoole8451 hey Princeton, Columbia grad here……well said and fully agree…and I take particular joy any time we beat you in football given how one sided it has been historically … go tigers, go lions
That was a douchebag response. I understand maintaining academic excellence, and I also think the transfer portal is a bit annoying at times. But some people look at football as their main path, was Joe Burrow or Cam Newton wrong to transfer? NIL is a different monster, but the truth is the players bring in the money (a fucking ton of money lmao) so I really don't see much of an issue. It would definitely fuck with the integrity of your schools, but I don't think competing in postseason would. It's weird because they could do both, just play in the FCS playoffs instead. Correct me if I'm wrong, but FCS players don't get any NIL deals.
You misplaced priorities. Non Ivies surrendered academic superiority. If they cared, they would offer scholarships. More Dame and Vandy demand athletes meet standard scholastic criteria. Your name calling is a large non sequitur, not an argument.
Provocative. Of course this will never happen nor in its should it. The Ivy brand is the strongest by far of any and its prestige and monetary value are incalculable. That said however, you failed to identify the extraordinary hypocrisy of Ivy athletic policy. The Ivies play post season games and, compete for national championships in every sport but football. If there were not an NCAA rule requiring D1 participation in all sports to compete in D1 in any sport, I believe that Ivy League football would now be playing in D3 against similarly academically prestigious schools like Williams, Amherst etc. This is the reason that when in the 1980's the Ivy presidents decided to demphasize football, they muscled the NCAA into creating D1AA. The Ivy presidents see football as the road to perdition, a Pandora's Box when when reopened would consume all in its way and eventually destroy the Ivy League as it is today. There is a sensible middle ground starting with post season play in football. It's a no brainer. Athletic scholarships might help though they exist today on a de facto basis with the copious grant money available. In reality however, none of this will happen. The football ship has sailed and it aint coming back. PS It is also worth noting that the majority of Ivy president appear to be women (I'm too lazy to do the research) and have been for a while, This can't be helpful.
Make a compiling argument. But at the end of the day, it comes to recruiting. Most coaches come down to the southeast for recruiting. You will hard-pressed to get a 5 star to come to the cold northeast. Besides, the SEC and BIG 10 have straggle hold on getting blue chip prospects. The IVY league put more on academics than completing for championships. Besides that, as a blue chip prospect, they are looking at a fast track to the NFL not being a nerd at Harvard or Cornell. No disrespect to those schools. But you know, I mean. The truly want to compete they might want lower there admission requirements to be on par with your Michigan, Texas, Alabama , Ohio State, But the IVY league has this kiss the ring mentality, that they never do it.
As a Columbia grad, I don't get this post-season ban in football only. All other sports can compete in post-season play.
I do agree that athletic scholarships are a thing to avoid unless the student athletes maintain their academics
The Ivy is great like it is. The tradition is endearing
Banning post-season play for exams is hilarious these days, given they could take most exams from literally anywhere - which was true even with a pen and paper long before the internet became what it is today.
Another way the Ivies could maintain academic excellence (if legal): do a scholarship endowment, funded by an NIL Partnership, but have higher GPA requirements, AND make the scholarship rescindable for students who enter the draft and drop out of school - that is, make the scholarship contingent on successful graduation from their bachelors. Make them play all the way through their undergrad.
only low level student take online classes
your ideas are rooted in stooopidity
@@juanshaftpatel7488troll lol. Get outta here
To add to the absurdity that is the Ivy League banning postseason because of "exams"....they send their champion to the basketball tournament, which happens during.....exams.
Exam Week is in March? In the Ivies? I dont think so. Mid-terms maybe, not Finals.
@@RichV20 Anyone on the quarter system would be having winter finals in March. Dartmouth at least, from what I found, is still on quarters. But I could be completely wrong.
But ok. Let's say most or all are on semesters and don't have finals til May. They let the baseball champ play in the NCAAs as well. Volleyball and other fall sports as well with a late November/early December tournament. I'm not against them prioritizing academics at all, more schools should. But it's just a weak excuse to not send a football team out on a Saturday in December when you send other teams out during finals through the year.
What 12 Iron Ivy Men would they send?
It was actually McGill University in Canada that invented football when they played Harvard and played the game their way which was a form of rugby and Harvard form was like soccer.
Harvard won the first match played under the “Boston rules”. The next day’s match played more rugbyesque rules of McGill ended as 0-0 tie. This, in the end , Harvard “HELD SWAY!!” For the first time!
Then the Harvard players invited the Canadian players for tea and sandwiches at the A.D. and Fly Clubs. It was by all accounts a jolly time!
At the end of the day, it's the Ivy League's choice and they are better off having academics over athletics. Not every college at the D1 level needs football as the end all be all..
It is quite possible to do both
Midwest schools both have the sport and academic prestige
Uckq has hoth
@@MarvelousMaxter Ivy was strong when college football was very small and had no competition from anyone (as college hockey is today), when college was becoming popular and the Ivy League stopped in time while the other conferences were adapting to the new reality. And to make matters worse, the public is preferring to watch the best teams on TV rather than watch the teams where they study or studied.
money should be ahead of academic at the end of the day money makes the world goes around. Capitalism is key
I watch the Ivy League on tv because it represents football in its purest form.
As a Johns Hopkins lacrosse fan (They play D1 in the Big Ten) i relish in being the "Nerdy and powerful connections" school with a lot of history in the sport. If anything it makes us the "Good guys" as a real historic institution with a century of history under our belt with the villains being Maryland, the sports over-achiever. Even though the sport itself is dominated by the better half of State schools and a few elite ones like Michigan & Virginia. Yale even once had a championship recently & the Private Catholic Loyola of Baltimore did it once over a decade ago.
Video deserves a million views. I completely agree with everything said. Would he super dope to see. Super frustrating how the Ivy league doesn’t want to modernize with the times
Especially when they compete in other playoff in sports like soccer, softball and baseball which all would take place during exam time
Growing up within a couple of miles of the Yale Bowl and being a lifelong Yale and Ivy League football fan it pains me each time I attend the story Yale Bowl with thoughts of the potential in the glorious past there is a lot that could be said about Ivy League football and all of these thoughts right to believe that Ivy football could return to its glory without academic compromise. I also think that if they did return to a prominent football position, they would not have to be a top 25 school to draw interest. I think they would travel well saying they have alumni from all over the country. Thank you for the interesting post. It's something I ponder every football season.
Great video. I really enjoyed your video. I considered Penn in the 70's but played at Redlands where we played in the NAIA Division II 1976 National Championship Game. At the time we played scholarship granting teams. We had no weight room, no recruiting, (players were usually referred by their high school coach)and , no spring football. It was very hard academically. However, I was all conference and was able to go to a top 20 law school. Playing football taught invaluable lessons. I think a good topic for you is to look at the SCIAC. It can be called the Ivy league of the west. Great academics at Redlands, Pomona, Cal Tech, Laverne, Claremont and Occidental. Chapman is highly regarded in Orange County and Whittier and Cal Lutheran are fine schools. I wonder when an alum pays NIL money it can be enough to pay tuition for a player. NIL is the difference maker. Whittier was the first in DIII. Let's see what happens after they raised $814,000 to revive their program when the were tasked with raising $250,000. Anyway, great video.
There is no Ivy League of anywhere else. That's the value of the Ivy brand.
Yale also played Army in 2014 for the 100th anniversary of The Yale Bowl (a Yale win in O.T.) in front of approximately 35,000.
I’m a huge college football fan and this was such an interesting take on the Ivy League history and possible future. Would love to see this happen
Yes, the Ivy League essentially invented modern football. However, when they did so the idea was for the game to be recreational and nothing more. College football culture today and the Ivy League exist on two separate planets. And there is nothing wrong with that.
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I love watching Ivy League football.
I look at it as more like chess: they have to be more strategic given they can't recruit based on athletic giftedness.
Still, it's worth noting that a number of ivy league alumni end up in the NFL.
Dumbest comment award. All the ivy's just play each other over and over again while peppering in patriot league schools and other regional fcs to fill in their non conference. What is the "chess match" exactly?
Some of the Ivies (Harvard, Yale and Princeton - possibly others) already are offering ANY student who gets in full scholarships if their parents incomes are below a certain level - this alone would allow them to compete with other schools when it comes to scholarships.
It had been pointed out when an alumnus trying be written in a protest candidate to one of the governing boards at Harvard, that tuition is only 3% of the university’s revenue stream with its $50,000,000,000 endowment. Thus, costs should be lowered to almost nothing to attract brighter students from lower economic families who otherwise would not bother trying to apply.
Great video! Academics can still be the priority and build competitive football programs, able to compete at the highest level. Look at Northwestern, Georgia Tech, Vanderbilt, Duke etc. They have the money! They are more about their 'tradition.'
As someone who played football at both Harvard and Villanova, there are some things in this video that a firsthand experience could have expanded on and provided more accurate insight. Interesting video though!
That bandwagon comment hurt. I am a college sports junkie even though I never graduated from a college. I go to many Harvard hockey and football games, I also love going to the Beanpot every year. I already am a Bandwagon Harvard fan and would love to see them play in the FBS. I loved your video though
Harvards Varsity Club would be the top NIL collective and if you get athletes on that team they retake their record for most football titles quicker than you think
This is a great thought exercise even if most of the suggestions sound implausible. And there’s one more thing I’d like to add. The FBS won’t accept any teams that still has a track around their field. I love Penn’s Franklin Field but, as home to the Penn Relays, nothing higher than FCS football will be played here.
The FBS doesn't accept teams with a track around their field? Is that a brand-new rule? There are current FBS teams with tracks around their field. Nevada immediately comes to mind. Appalachian State too.
Los Angeles Coliseum , home of USC (and their always lovely cheer squad) has a track. It will host the Olympics again in 2028.
Appreciate your insight. I'd love to see it, as well.
This is really well-done! Definitely an interesting topic
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Great video. Great research. R u broadcasting from a Cornell dorm?
I like how the Ivy League does things currently other than that their football champion and any other at-large teams should be allowed to participate in the FCS postseason.
The postseason ban is ridiculous. What's the point if you are an athlete?
It’s so dumb because the ncaa baseball tournament for D1 continues on well after many schools finish the academic year
Which is sad as the players won’t have their classmates around in the bleachers to cheer them on unless they are hardcore fans or were roommates.
Very intriging hypothetical conference but I think it comes down to cost/benefit and they basically feel that as an institution/brand they have more to gain by not re-engaging with the FBS. Plus such decisions would probably have to be made unanimously
Awesome video! I do think if they ever tried to get better at football again, I believe FCS Ivy League in the playoffs would do fine
Cool video! I enjoyed it.
I watch the Ivy games when I can .There is something different and unique about the league.
Honestly the IVY League (Along with the SWAC) can make the FCS more Fun ,interesting and engaging.
No, they don't. They exist in obscurity
Brown grad here. Interesting perspective..
The golden age of the Ivy League was back when guys were students who happened to be athletes, not like the way it is today, where a majority go to college because it is the only option to pursue their football careers. If they NFL had a minor league system such as the one MLB has, over half of the guys who now attend college would opt for minor league for.
Excellent speculation
Pulling Lehigh away from their all-time rival, Lafayette, feels like a sin. It would be best to merge the Patriot League with the Ivy League since Army and Navy both have all of their sports other than football currently in it. In a way, in women's rowing, Harvard would have a playable rivalry with MIT.
They have a way to attract players-free tuition already exists based on income. Make less than 200 k per year and Princeton is free!
Current Yale student here. I see absolutely nothing wrong with maintaining the current standards of no athletic scholarship and no NIL. To be honest, the culture here is not built for and would be very openly hostile to that (unfortunately, that’s just the truth). However I agree on one point, which is that being unable to play postseason games is absolutely indefensible. Not 100% on this, but I’m pretty sure football is literally the only sport this applies to. Football culture at Yale is absolutely dead, and I hate it as a lover of college football. The ability to actually play for something meaningful like a conference champ or playoff spot I think is all you need to get people interested. Last year we had to SHARE the conference championship with Harvard because we can’t actually play a real championship game. Such a bummer. I know everyone on campus would go crazy for that!
Does the student body come together to celebrate anything?
I went to Brown and while I agree that the culture would be openly hostile to athletic scholarships and NIL sponsorships, student athletes are already viewed as a lower tier of academics. Most teams operate on an average GPA basis, meaning you can bring someone in with a 2.0 if you also bring someone else in with a 4.0. Everyone knows there are some airheads in class so why not just full send it and offer scholarships. All we’re doing now is catering those spots to rich kids who played prep ball with the hope of being good enough to play mediocre Ivy football.
What is nonsensical is that the Ivy League playoff ban is only for football. In hockey and basketball, Ivy League teams sometimes do really well in the playoffs. Colleges like Cornell have an excellent hockey program and they attract really good players. And you always have one Ivy League team in the March Madness college basketball tournament.
Another interesting point to consider is that if you take Cornell or Dartmouth for football, they perhaps have lacklustre football facilities however they are the main spectator sports team in their town/small city, and nothing close comes by attendance-wise, which makes them different from Harvard, Columbia or Penn.
One interesting thing with Ivy League football is that outside the Harvard vs. Yale game, it's very affordable to watch Ivy League football as a spectator.
Harvard beat Minnesota in overtime to win the NCAA hockey championship in 1989. Lane MacDonald was captain and there were 3 other olympians on that team. It was awesome. Ted Donato, the current coach, was a freshman. Bill Cleary H’56 was coach and they beat the Soviets in Squaw Valley in the Olympics in ‘60(?).
Yale was Alabama back in the day
(They had to recently remove a stained glass window from a library depicting alumnus John C. Calhoun…(or slaves picking crops?. I have to review it). due to protests).
Great Video!
Upenn used to be ridiculed as the jock school of the ivies.
The one thing the ivy league has going for it is college football is at inflection point. The ncaa is on its way out. A collective of the elite programs will create the next thing. Granted no ivy league schools are going to become part of the next thing directly, but they have an opportunity to improve there fate. For example perhaps the top 60 create there own league its likely they'll make path for the other schools to occasionally make the dance. Perhaps they can be part of the group of those other schools.
Rice whould make the best candidate for the eighth FBS Ivy School.
I feel Rice is too far away from the northeast to be in the Ivy. Academically, yes its basically an Ivy League school- just in Houston.
@@sunny1992s Fun fact, a southern ivy league almost happened. It was going to be called The Magnolia League. The conference would have had Vanderbilt, SMU, Rice, Duke, Georgia Tech, Wake Forest, Tulane, William & Mary, Miami, and even Davidson.
They still play in post season ncaa basketball but get crush frist round but I did watch a video of a TH-cam channel of him going to ive league football game and non of the students know a game was going on that day. But I'm surprised that they didn't change their standards when the other non ive schools started playing football .
You'd be a perfect cast for Jaws from James Bond in an origin story film
We are so back
The bottom line is the Ivy League values academics even differently then the schools you listed. Duke, Notre Dame, Stanford, and schools of those vein do have excellent academics but their values simply aligned differently. Now banning post season play in football is ridiculous cause they do allow other sports teams in their conference to take part in postseason activities, most notably the NCAA Tournament. I have always wondered if it was a thing of vanity that made them stop allowing postseason play in football. They were allowed to compete with the big boys in the NCAA Basketball Tournaments but maybe they fell it protects their image to just stay out of postseason play cause lets keep it real. They get kicked around by even FCS schools a lot of the time. I overall think you did a very good job with the video and hope your channel grows.
I understand the academic aspect of not participating in the postseason in the FCS, but they do in basketball? okay. Now I know that FCS Playoffs do not benefit these schools from a financial standpoint, hell most of these schools that made deep playoff run are dam near in a deficient. but just claiming the IVY Championship is not what it used to be.
Ivy League does not allow Graduate eligibility, basketball player EJ Jarvis of Yale decided to transfer to Florida. Abby Meyers who was the Ivy Women's Basketball player of the year, decided to transfer to Maryland was drafted first by the Dallas Wings in the WNBA got cut and did two hardship player tours of duty with the Washington Mystics.
Great video
No, please never change!
Most accurate prediction that could never happen
Havard has enough endowment that if they stopped generating any endowment from here on out, they could afford the best NIL players, hire the best coach matching the salaries of the likes of Texas and Alabama's head coach, and fund a program simply "buying" players for the next 150 years. They could easily compete if they wanted to.
I dunno… there would be more Cambridge police showing up outside the Final Clubs and even the Lampoon with the shenanigans some of these students from football factory schools get into. …. Because the cops want to get autographs of the awesome players and party with them!!!!
Ivy League football is an absolute joke.
They could at least participate in the FCS playoffs.
That would at least give the conference some credibility.
Or how about the Ivy League compete in the FBS playoffs and lets schools from like the SEC or Big Ten to play and the price tag for them to play an Ivy League school is expensive because it's basically a guaranteed free win with the standards
I reckon it’ll happen once they completely disconnect the football from the academics - SEC is gunning for that future, but once the teams are brands rather than schools…
Play in the FCS playoffs. Doubt they can beat the Dakota schools. Still that's why they play the games.
Who wants to be a powerhouse in football? At what cost?
They have decided to play in the FCS playoffs
They actually have to attend classes unlike other party colleges. Common sense.
nothing wrong with choosing academics over athletics. good choice by the ivy league.
They need a football video game 🎮🏈 #IvyLeague
You laugh but some Ivy League teams/stadiums used to be available on some editions of the old NCAA college football games. They were not very good teams, however!
@matvail2002 wow, okay i didn't know about that I hope they put in the newer college video game!
Ivy League needs to do nothing. It’s fine. Unsure why the video wants the Ivy League to compete with the SEC
Change the Ancient 8? No. The other programs need to improve.
Villanova would not join the Ivy League. They make too much money in Big East basketball to leave.
Yeah. Ivy League football was awesome in 1890.
Personally I think the last time should be William and Mary out of Virginia one of the only colonial colleges that’s big and not in the ivy league
Stanford is doing just fine and id rather send my kid to Stanford than Harvard
The Ivy League schools can never compete with p4 schools in todays cfb landscape
Good move. Don’t care for what college football has become. Should be an NFL farm system.
Well Cornell’s Insane at lax
It’s all of them Canadians
Your drip in this video is water
I don't know. Yes the Ivy League schools could rethink their model and revive enthusiasm for football among their students and alumni. But the past several decades has seen too much money flow into NCAA sports like football and basketball. The money has corrupted the idea of many colleges /universities being centers of higher learning.
I’ll stick with the Ivies. Clearly this kid is still loaded with teenage hormones and values. I love watching my team (Princeton) compete with other Ivies for the IL Championship, regardless of how outsiders may view it. Even if we are not loaded with All Americans, the teams play just as hard and the competition between schools is just as heartfelt as that between the most prominent football factories. The biggest difference is the order of values. In the IL, sports are extracurricular and not considered Carter skills. For the vast majority, team sports end after college. As for the travesty of NIL funds and the transfer tunnel, the effects are to turn college programs into semi pro leagues and talented athletes into hitchhikers shopping around each year for the best offer. One can’t blame them. But how can you develop team loyalty and cohesiveness among teammates who may see each other on opposite sides the next season. Just because we stick to our values and the priority of academics over athletics doesn’t mean we are wrong. We simply have different priorities. We like to live in the present and plan for the future rather than complete our glory days in our 20s and spend the rest of our lives looking back.
this is the most ivy league response imaginable.
@@johnpoole8451 hey Princeton, Columbia grad here……well said and fully agree…and I take particular joy any time we beat you in football given how one sided it has been historically … go tigers, go lions
That was a douchebag response. I understand maintaining academic excellence, and I also think the transfer portal is a bit annoying at times. But some people look at football as their main path, was Joe Burrow or Cam Newton wrong to transfer? NIL is a different monster, but the truth is the players bring in the money (a fucking ton of money lmao) so I really don't see much of an issue. It would definitely fuck with the integrity of your schools, but I don't think competing in postseason would. It's weird because they could do both, just play in the FCS playoffs instead. Correct me if I'm wrong, but FCS players don't get any NIL deals.
@@daltonsideas this had me dying
Haha Howard as the black ivy LOL. Holy cross ? Lehigh Villanova selective ? ? Kinda like Ivies LOL
Isn’t Stanford Ivy League?
You misplaced priorities. Non Ivies surrendered academic superiority. If they cared, they would offer scholarships. More Dame and Vandy demand athletes meet standard scholastic criteria. Your name calling is a large non sequitur, not an argument.
This aged poorly.
Provocative. Of course this will never happen nor in its should it. The Ivy brand is the strongest by far of any and its prestige and monetary value are incalculable. That said however, you failed to identify the extraordinary hypocrisy of Ivy athletic policy. The Ivies play post season games and, compete for national championships in every sport but football. If there were not an NCAA rule requiring D1 participation in all sports to compete in D1 in any sport, I believe that Ivy League football would now be playing in D3 against similarly academically prestigious schools like Williams, Amherst etc. This is the reason that when in the 1980's the Ivy presidents decided to demphasize football, they muscled the NCAA into creating D1AA. The Ivy presidents see football as the road to perdition, a Pandora's Box when when reopened would consume all in its way and eventually destroy the Ivy League as it is today. There is a sensible middle ground starting with post season play in football. It's a no brainer. Athletic scholarships might help though they exist today on a de facto basis with the copious grant money available. In reality however, none of this will happen. The football ship has sailed and it aint coming back.
PS It is also worth noting that the majority of Ivy president appear to be women (I'm too lazy to do the research) and have been for a while, This can't be helpful.
Make a compiling argument. But at the end of the day, it comes to recruiting. Most coaches come down to the southeast for recruiting. You will hard-pressed to get a 5 star to come to the cold northeast. Besides, the SEC and BIG 10 have straggle hold on getting blue chip prospects. The IVY league put more on academics than completing for championships. Besides that, as a blue chip prospect, they are looking at a fast track to the NFL not being a nerd at Harvard or Cornell. No disrespect to those schools. But you know, I mean. The truly want to compete they might want lower there admission requirements to be on par with your Michigan, Texas, Alabama , Ohio State, But the IVY league has this kiss the ring mentality, that they never do it.
Nothing new here
Easy solution. Switch to division 3 where you belong.
We already have a division 3 version of the ivy league, called the New England Small College Athletic Conference or NESCAC.