I get that Chidori's memory loss is still exactly that, a loss. and with that there's a big grieving process over losing the Chidori Junpei got to know before... and I've heard the argument that her transferring life to the flowers was foreshadowing/possibility for her absorbing that life back, but I still feel like the narrative is better served without her revival ngl. That's just my personal preference though. 🎮TWITCH: www.twitch.tv/ladyvirgilia 🐤TWITTER: @VirgiliaLady twitter.com/VirgiliaLady 🌟PATREON: www.patreon.com/LadyVirgilia GENSHIN CHANNEL~ th-cam.com/users/LadyVirgiliaGenshin
I can understand the personal preference for Chidori. In my repeat playthroughs of P3FES The Journey in my early years, I went in not knowing how to trigger that revival scene. Then I saw it on TH-cam and was surprised to know that secret. But after contemplating on it, and after seeing the movies, I want to believe that the narrative with Memento Mori as a theme would be more effective if Chidori wasn’t physically revived… but keep the gift of life within Junpei. That scene with Junpei on the revelating part of the 4th movie before the decision with Ryoji still tears me up. As well as the rest of SEES in that moment.
@@mystery8820 The problem is, Arena Ultimax heavily hints that she did come back to life. ATLUS can't seem to make up their mind with Chidori. In the musical, in the MC route, stays dead, but in the FemC musical, she and Shinjiro come back (plus, apparently Shinji is shipteased with FemC? Not sure on that.). But in the movies, she dies there too. I would like some consistency, please.
There is a difference between saying her staying dead serves the narrative better and saying her survival completely breaks the themes of the narrative. I know you did not say that, but I hear that all the time, and I feel that reducing P3's themes to just Memento Mori is doing an injustice to P3, as I believe the true message of the game is that life is worth living even though death is inevitable. I think the revival is foreshadowed properly and isn't without consequence as Chidori still lost her memories, and Junpei has to rebuild his bond with her from scratch. What it also does is give hope to the group with the mini-miracle also foreshadowing the greater miracle to come during the promised day. Still, I respect your opinion as you can see my point of view. Honestly, I am far more bullheaded when defending Shinji's fate in the FeMC route, as there is so much more added to P3's themes and narrative than was taken away with that choice. If you ever decide to do a Shinji video, I'll give my thoughts on that then.
Another aspect of Junpei in the FeMC route is that he actually respects the Female Protag more than the male protag. Post-Shirakawa, in the MC route, Junpei goes "So you're the hero again, huh?" and acts really bitter towards the MC and in the subsequent weeks, when you try to talk to him, he gives a condescending remark and brushes you off rudely. In the FeMC route, he asks you "Hey, why do you try so hard?" in a more subdued tone and when you try to talk with him afterwards, he says "I'm sorry, but I need some space from you at the moment." I think the reason for this is the difference of attitude between the MC and the FeMC. The MC is apathetic, passively going along on the missions, doing what needs to be done, but still outshines Junpei, to the extent that it irritates him. The FeMC actively engages with the team and is a more proactive leader. Junpei's problem with both comes from the same place, his insecurity and inferiority complex, but his perception of the MC's effortless "specialness" allows him to build up resentment towards him to cover up his inferiority complex that he eventually grows out of. With the FeMC, he can't bring himself to resent her, and he comes off less bitter and more insecure and vulnerable during the post-Shirakawa section of the game. I find this fascinating. What do you think?
Lady, no matter the odds and challenges, Junpei will always be DA MAN. Even at the worst of times, he’ll stick by through thick and thin. Now you just be DA LADY that you always are. ❤
Yeah, Junpei's growth is one of the most satisfying arcs I've seen in Persona. His maturity in The Answer was unexpected, but well-earned. Also, my favourite Junpei moment is in P3P. As the FeMC, you can romance both Ken and Akihiko at the same time. And then, they both get into a cock fight in the optional conversations in Tartarus. (Ken surprisingly holds his ground quite well) Junpei, of all people, becomes the voice of reason here. That's when you know the situation's wack!
Something you touched I've been thinking for a while now. I love how P3 doesn't need social links with party members for their character arcs. Even with the girls, that original P3 has SLs, you can feel their growth and maturity more effectively than in P4, for instance (haven't played P5 yet, can't say too much about those). I find so cool that the evolution of their Personas come with the story and not with the SL, it gives me the idea that they're deepily affected with what's happening (that scene with Akihiko, man...). I rambled a lot, I'm not sure if I expressed myself correctly
Junpei is one of the more fleshed out characters of p3, he has so much growth but is often forgotten in fan discussions. Thanks for making this video, it's a treat!
Junpei is definitely one of my favorite Persona characters! My favorite memory isn't really a scripted game moment, but it still oddly fits in the narrative. My friend was introducing me to the Persona series starting with 3, so I was being given a lot of commentary throughout like how the Reaper exists and comes after you if you take too long in the dungeon crawl areas every game. After hearing about it, I had to see it. So I saved the game, wasted time waiting for it to show, and got into combat. Of course we both expected a wipe since this was early game. What we didn't expect was for Junpei to be the only one to survive said encounter. Both lost our minds over it because JUNPEI TANKED THAT HIT LIKE A BOSS. After that happened, it was like we got an accidental glimpse into Junpei's potential. All his self doubt and jealousy over the MC played out and we, in this meta perspective, had the knowledge that he was way stronger than he saw himself.
Junpei is one of the best examples of Persona 3's level of quality in the writing department, because he so quickly went from one of the most meh characters I've ever seen to one of my absolute favorites. He changes so much throughout the course of the game that it's truly inspiring to witness
I played P3FES when i'm still in early high school so i can relate a lot with the characters. I hate junpei during the first half game, i find him annoying and childish. Then i reached the chidori arc and i started to see the change in junpei, for some reason junpei became the character i can relate the most and when junpei lost chidori i actually cried there. Junpei became one of the best character in the entire persona series for me. Yeah and i don't know you can "save" chidori until later in 2020's when i played P3FES again and tried to 100% (or close to 100%) the game in a single playthrough with a guide. I don't hate it, but i do like the story better when chidori died because junpei's growth and maturity makes sense in that situation.
I'd listen to a Yukari video. Junpei, outside of the state Megaten 2nd guy dynamic, is a pretty good character all around I definitely think he holds up really well 15 years later
I personally identify with Junpei to much it started hitting home hard.... luckily I've had a boringly normal and happy family life - but I've struggled with these same problems, of having purpose and meaning and being validated - but his relationship with Chidori is something that just hit me personally the hardest; my first serious long relationship was with a timid girl, who was depressed (MDD), struggling to find purpose and meaning in life, with red hair, whom opened up and was a very different person after we went our separate ways - I'm constantly rewatching the cutscenes with Junpei and Chidori from persona 3 reload, and it's heartwarming to see Junpei grow and mature - *_HE JUST LIKE ME FR FR 😭😭_*
As a running joke between my best friend and I after the love motel dungeon based on our party the answer to what was up Junpei's butt was Akihiko. We've sorta shipped them ever since
I'd like a Yukari video, she doesn't get appreciated than 'shes a bitch, she put Makoto/Minako and Junpei in danger, she has a grudge to Mitsuru, she has daddy isdues, the Answer made me hate her more because she loves Makoto Yuki' and more
I was wondering if you're planning on continuing you trails of cols steel 3 summary. I watched all the other summaries starting for sky fc to cold steel 2 and found them really helpful.
not sure what I make of this video. as a whole, it felt very scattershot. I don’t agree with some of the points you made or the transitions between them
I am inherently opposed to the very foundation of this video on the simple fact that Junpei is by far, one of the worst characters ever created in all of fiction. And the Persona 3 Portable version only made him WORSE for the FeMC route.
@@mystery8820 Not my fault that Junpei is literally one of the worst characters ever created, and they try to "redeem" him in ways that do not excuse his many sins. And if the flawed character video was talking about Junpei, the video did not go far enough.
@@MalachiLper You are talking like Junpei committed some unforgivable sin. All he ever did was acting irresponsible and being a douche sometimes. He has clearly changed and apologized. He also helped everybody fight Nyx and save the world. He has already redeemed himself.
@@MalachiLper "That isn't even a drop in the bucket for forgiveness." Are you serious? Junpei literally helped SAVE A WORLD! What else was he suppose to do? Die on the cross for his sins? The worst thing Junpei did was endangering all those people in the train, which was bad, but still no one got hurt and he only did that because of a accident. It's not like he wanted to kill everybody on the train for shits and giggles. He genuinely wanted to save someone that night. It was just a rookie mistake. Junpai just wanted to do something good and it simply didn't worked out perfectly.
![JOKER IS THE *HARDEST* BOSS IN PERSONA HISTORY! [HEARTLESS]](/img/n.gif)
I get that Chidori's memory loss is still exactly that, a loss. and with that there's a big grieving process over losing the Chidori Junpei got to know before... and I've heard the argument that her transferring life to the flowers was foreshadowing/possibility for her absorbing that life back, but I still feel like the narrative is better served without her revival ngl. That's just my personal preference though.
🎮TWITCH: www.twitch.tv/ladyvirgilia
🐤TWITTER: @VirgiliaLady twitter.com/VirgiliaLady
🌟PATREON: www.patreon.com/LadyVirgilia
GENSHIN CHANNEL~
th-cam.com/users/LadyVirgiliaGenshin
I can understand the personal preference for Chidori. In my repeat playthroughs of P3FES The Journey in my early years, I went in not knowing how to trigger that revival scene.
Then I saw it on TH-cam and was surprised to know that secret. But after contemplating on it, and after seeing the movies, I want to believe that the narrative with Memento Mori as a theme would be more effective if Chidori wasn’t physically revived… but keep the gift of life within Junpei.
That scene with Junpei on the revelating part of the 4th movie before the decision with Ryoji still tears me up. As well as the rest of SEES in that moment.
@@mystery8820 The problem is, Arena Ultimax heavily hints that she did come back to life. ATLUS can't seem to make up their mind with Chidori. In the musical, in the MC route, stays dead, but in the FemC musical, she and Shinjiro come back (plus, apparently Shinji is shipteased with FemC? Not sure on that.). But in the movies, she dies there too. I would like some consistency, please.
@@winters_revolt I always thought Chidori stayed dead in that continuity. In which case, it makes Junpei's situation rather sad
@@kagekun1198 No kidding. Let Junpei be happy dammit.
There is a difference between saying her staying dead serves the narrative better and saying her survival completely breaks the themes of the narrative. I know you did not say that, but I hear that all the time, and I feel that reducing P3's themes to just Memento Mori is doing an injustice to P3, as I believe the true message of the game is that life is worth living even though death is inevitable. I think the revival is foreshadowed properly and isn't without consequence as Chidori still lost her memories, and Junpei has to rebuild his bond with her from scratch. What it also does is give hope to the group with the mini-miracle also foreshadowing the greater miracle to come during the promised day.
Still, I respect your opinion as you can see my point of view. Honestly, I am far more bullheaded when defending Shinji's fate in the FeMC route, as there is so much more added to P3's themes and narrative than was taken away with that choice. If you ever decide to do a Shinji video, I'll give my thoughts on that then.
Another aspect of Junpei in the FeMC route is that he actually respects the Female Protag more than the male protag. Post-Shirakawa, in the MC route, Junpei goes "So you're the hero again, huh?" and acts really bitter towards the MC and in the subsequent weeks, when you try to talk to him, he gives a condescending remark and brushes you off rudely. In the FeMC route, he asks you "Hey, why do you try so hard?" in a more subdued tone and when you try to talk with him afterwards, he says "I'm sorry, but I need some space from you at the moment."
I think the reason for this is the difference of attitude between the MC and the FeMC. The MC is apathetic, passively going along on the missions, doing what needs to be done, but still outshines Junpei, to the extent that it irritates him. The FeMC actively engages with the team and is a more proactive leader. Junpei's problem with both comes from the same place, his insecurity and inferiority complex, but his perception of the MC's effortless "specialness" allows him to build up resentment towards him to cover up his inferiority complex that he eventually grows out of. With the FeMC, he can't bring himself to resent her, and he comes off less bitter and more insecure and vulnerable during the post-Shirakawa section of the game. I find this fascinating. What do you think?
it felt unnecessary as femc since he beat the boss i didn't get why he was so pissed 😂
Lady, no matter the odds and challenges, Junpei will always be DA MAN.
Even at the worst of times, he’ll stick by through thick and thin.
Now you just be DA LADY that you always are. ❤
"Da Lady!" lol thanks! 😂
@@LadyVirgilia
Ur welcome, and if you see KurttheMrE respond to your tweets, it’s actually me responding to you because I love your channel so much.
The literally me of the Persona 3 cast. He really is the man
Tony4YouDAMAN! 😄
Yeah, Junpei's growth is one of the most satisfying arcs I've seen in Persona. His maturity in The Answer was unexpected, but well-earned.
Also, my favourite Junpei moment is in P3P. As the FeMC, you can romance both Ken and Akihiko at the same time. And then, they both get into a cock fight in the optional conversations in Tartarus. (Ken surprisingly holds his ground quite well) Junpei, of all people, becomes the voice of reason here. That's when you know the situation's wack!
Oooh, 2 guys actually fighting over FeMC… not exactly something I’d let happen if I eventually play that route.
why can you date the minor what where they thinking 🤦♀️
I really love Junpei, it's the heart of this awesome game. I would totally watch a video like this for Yukari
Something you touched I've been thinking for a while now. I love how P3 doesn't need social links with party members for their character arcs. Even with the girls, that original P3 has SLs, you can feel their growth and maturity more effectively than in P4, for instance (haven't played P5 yet, can't say too much about those). I find so cool that the evolution of their Personas come with the story and not with the SL, it gives me the idea that they're deepily affected with what's happening (that scene with Akihiko, man...). I rambled a lot, I'm not sure if I expressed myself correctly
Junpei is one of the more fleshed out characters of p3, he has so much growth but is often forgotten in fan discussions. Thanks for making this video, it's a treat!
Please do one on Yukari! She does not get enough credit.
She earns a spot to be someone’s hero, just like Junpei.
Will do!
Agreed! Yukari was always a fav of mine
She isn't that great....
@@richiemakyura724 she is the most human character in all persona
Junpei’s my favorite character out of all Persona games!! I’d love to see a video like this on Yukari as well.
Junpei is definitely one of my favorite Persona characters! My favorite memory isn't really a scripted game moment, but it still oddly fits in the narrative. My friend was introducing me to the Persona series starting with 3, so I was being given a lot of commentary throughout like how the Reaper exists and comes after you if you take too long in the dungeon crawl areas every game. After hearing about it, I had to see it. So I saved the game, wasted time waiting for it to show, and got into combat.
Of course we both expected a wipe since this was early game. What we didn't expect was for Junpei to be the only one to survive said encounter. Both lost our minds over it because JUNPEI TANKED THAT HIT LIKE A BOSS. After that happened, it was like we got an accidental glimpse into Junpei's potential. All his self doubt and jealousy over the MC played out and we, in this meta perspective, had the knowledge that he was way stronger than he saw himself.
Junpei is one of the best examples of Persona 3's level of quality in the writing department, because he so quickly went from one of the most meh characters I've ever seen to one of my absolute favorites. He changes so much throughout the course of the game that it's truly inspiring to witness
Man this just makes me want to play through P3FES again, I love these characters. Great video!
Awesome video! Always great to hear best boy getting such high praise.
I would love to see Yukari next.
I played P3FES when i'm still in early high school so i can relate a lot with the characters. I hate junpei during the first half game, i find him annoying and childish. Then i reached the chidori arc and i started to see the change in junpei, for some reason junpei became the character i can relate the most and when junpei lost chidori i actually cried there. Junpei became one of the best character in the entire persona series for me. Yeah and i don't know you can "save" chidori until later in 2020's when i played P3FES again and tried to 100% (or close to 100%) the game in a single playthrough with a guide. I don't hate it, but i do like the story better when chidori died because junpei's growth and maturity makes sense in that situation.
Even if Chidori comes back, I don’t think it detracts too much since her revival comes after he’s already changed as a person.
Akechi and Junpei? An individual with taste I see
Da dada daa! Da Man has leveled up!
I'd listen to a Yukari video.
Junpei, outside of the state Megaten 2nd guy dynamic, is a pretty good character all around I definitely think he holds up really well 15 years later
I personally identify with Junpei to much it started hitting home hard.... luckily I've had a boringly normal and happy family life - but I've struggled with these same problems, of having purpose and meaning and being validated - but his relationship with Chidori is something that just hit me personally the hardest; my first serious long relationship was with a timid girl, who was depressed (MDD), struggling to find purpose and meaning in life, with red hair, whom opened up and was a very different person after we went our separate ways - I'm constantly rewatching the cutscenes with Junpei and Chidori from persona 3 reload, and it's heartwarming to see Junpei grow and mature - *_HE JUST LIKE ME FR FR 😭😭_*
As a running joke between my best friend and I after the love motel dungeon based on our party the answer to what was up Junpei's butt was Akihiko. We've sorta shipped them ever since
Keep the good work
realest video on the internet
Great vid! But at 6:04 what's the deal with akihiko and mitsuru walking in place about lol
the game was made for 4:3 screens so when you try to do widescreen aka 16:9 it can cause problems like that
@@Phantom_Gabriel ohhh gotcha
He’s literally in my top 5 favorite persona 3 characters! I love him so much and he’s so real for being hater idc
I'd like a Yukari video, she doesn't get appreciated than 'shes a bitch, she put Makoto/Minako and Junpei in danger, she has a grudge to Mitsuru, she has daddy isdues, the Answer made me hate her more because she loves Makoto Yuki' and more
Do you mean love not hate
I was wondering if you're planning on continuing you trails of cols steel 3 summary.
I watched all the other summaries starting for sky fc to cold steel 2 and found them really helpful.
At the moment not really.
If I do finish CS3 summaries, it won't be until summer of next year (2023).
I know this is an old video but please make one about Yukari
Junpei is best because he's literally me.
Just like me fr
Thanks!
Thanks so much! 🙏
Junpei, more like Stupei amirite?
I knew it was mentioned in the answer, but where was it mentioned during the male route?
I paused at 10:34 …
He’s got that man face
Is that reload art in the thumbnail? This vid was 10 months ago, im going crazy
she mustve updated the thumbnail
this came up in my recomennded and confused the hell out of me
i would appreciate a deep dive on Yukari because i don't really like her. i would appreciate a different perspective
good vid
not sure what I make of this video. as a whole, it felt very scattershot. I don’t agree with some of the points you made or the transitions between them
Would be cool if you elaborated on what bothered you
Junpei did nothing wrong!
He did everything wrong, and he even did the wrong things in a wrong way, making them double wrong.
@@MalachiLper
No.
He did everything wrong, but he grew up, he took responsibility and became a better person, and this is why he's DA MAN
@@MalachiLper🤡
I am inherently opposed to the very foundation of this video on the simple fact that Junpei is by far, one of the worst characters ever created in all of fiction.
And the Persona 3 Portable version only made him WORSE for the FeMC route.
You are missing the point again. And I remember you from the Flawed Characters video. Sheesh, it’s like talking to a brick wall with you.
@@mystery8820 Not my fault that Junpei is literally one of the worst characters ever created, and they try to "redeem" him in ways that do not excuse his many sins.
And if the flawed character video was talking about Junpei, the video did not go far enough.
@@MalachiLper You are talking like Junpei committed some unforgivable sin. All he ever did was acting irresponsible and being a douche sometimes. He has clearly changed and apologized. He also helped everybody fight Nyx and save the world. He has already redeemed himself.
@@matthgar1145 That isn't even a drop in the bucket for forgiveness.
And it's WAY more than simply being irresponsible and being a jerk.
@@MalachiLper "That isn't even a drop in the bucket for forgiveness." Are you serious? Junpei literally helped SAVE A WORLD! What else was he suppose to do? Die on the cross for his sins?
The worst thing Junpei did was endangering all those people in the train, which was bad, but still no one got hurt and he only did that because of a accident. It's not like he wanted to kill everybody on the train for shits and giggles. He genuinely wanted to save someone that night. It was just a rookie mistake. Junpai just wanted to do something good and it simply didn't worked out perfectly.