I'm not even sure Auron has a BA. In a world that was sane our chief Journalists should be more like Auron perhaps, but our chief academics should have a higher benchmark than being able to articulately discuss a book he's read. In a properly educated society most adults should be able to do this
@@properpolymath2097Have you ever met any of these academics? I spent many years in academia and they are some of the most unimpressive and incompetent mid-wits I have ever had the displeasure of interacting with. The government school system is setup to select for obedience, not competence or intelligence.
Helpful conversation in terms of understanding part of the conflict among branches of the right. I have to say, as much as I love Auron, I completely disagree that we can reestablish a Christian order by Machiavellian means. That goes against everything the apostles taught. There is no case in history where forced conversions to a Christian way of life turned out well. It can’t. He who lives by the sword dies by the sword, and that’s as true at the population level as it is at the individual level. I do think that he’s right about building back up from the community level. A nation can only ever become Christian from the bottom up, not the top down. Will it result in the balkanization of America? Maybe. But that’s better than the whole country racing off the cliff together.
What's your opinion/response on the pragmatic necessity of leaders using raw sheer power and Christendom's alleged foundation on that. I am really ignorant on all this so please be kind if the question comes off as deviant!
Why doesn't the interviewy explicitly mention the French and the Spanish which were the main forces the Italians had to contend with. Instead he mentions the church which of course also played a large role because there was a large papal state in Italy.
I havent read the prince, but it seems like machiavelli is stating the corrupting nature of power should be embraced as the only way to rule a state. There is definitely truth to that, but it seems like he didnt account for how that inevitably leads to a moral decay of the leaders, which leads to decadence, which leads to losing power. I could be wrong and am going to read the prince now.
I'm not a Machiavelli scholar, but I believe that having a cunning leader who is himself out of the bounds of morality is not the end goal for Machiavelli. It's merely step one on the way to something else. Machiavelli's goals are (I think) to rid Italy of its corrupting foreign influence, and to restore the Roman Republic. To accomplish the first part, you need someone who is going to get down and dirty and who really understands power (the prince). But once that's done, their shelf life is over and its time to evolve into something more moral and stable.
Read the prince. Or listen to the audiobook, it is easy to find on youtube. But do not listen to specialists, including these guests, because it seem most people did not understand the book. The short notes of the prince would be: A good leader is firm but kind. But when you can only pick on, pick firm. Because kindness alone just means you will be exploited. And while being virtues is good, do not let it shackle you, because sometimes you need to act "evil" to get what you want. Also, other people are not virtues so you need to expect the backstab.
“I haven’t read anything that would give me any idea of what I’m talking about, but let me still feel the need to comment even though I’m completely lost.” 🤦
Sauron basically thinks you can incorporate Machiavelli to tip the scales to favor his side in the nihilistic pissing contest known as the dialectic. The simple & most effective solution of course would be to reject the concept & merit of the dialectic to begin with. But that pulls the curtain up on their power grab.
@@kristianbraun5604everyone thinks it's weird how the woke right denies their own existence. Its essentially groyper beliefs but couched in long winded explanations & revisionist history. Deeply unpopular w/ the masses.
@@JB-wh3we >”the woke right denies their own existence” Lmao no. They only deny the term “woke right” because James Lindsay himself admitted that he only came up with the term as a buzzword to smear any right winger who wants to use political institutions of power to secure political victories (also known as politics). Lindsay, however has convinced himself that his views and particular political vision are actually neutral, and everyone else is just woke (he suffers from profound mental retardation).
Auron is a beast! His podcast is a great listen if you enjoyed this 😁
Lol Sauron is a beast in that his logic is similar to something lacking a fully formed pre-frontal cortex.
@JB-wh3we you should start a podcast bro! Everyone loves a hater 😘
@bealzy eh won't get paid unless I kiss either the Woke Left or Woke Rights asses by nodding at their vapid talking points
"Love" may not be the word @@bealzy
Thank you for the talk. I found it interesting.
in a world that was sane our chief academics would be people like this
Yessir.
Shouts North Florida, the good part of FL
I'm not even sure Auron has a BA. In a world that was sane our chief Journalists should be more like Auron perhaps, but our chief academics should have a higher benchmark than being able to articulately discuss a book he's read. In a properly educated society most adults should be able to do this
@properpolymath2097 well said
@@properpolymath2097Have you ever met any of these academics? I spent many years in academia and they are some of the most unimpressive and incompetent mid-wits I have ever had the displeasure of interacting with. The government school system is setup to select for obedience, not competence or intelligence.
@@properpolymath2097he used to be a teacher, so he has at least a BA
Great episode!
A great guest would be Academic Agent.
@@evolassunglasses4673 He has a real name you know.
Much better than Zioron MacIntyre
@@wavell14 Yup... Parvini was right, macintyre is controlled opposition
AA is starting to like the smell of his own flatulence too much.
10/10 perfect, no notes
Good work guys. You snuck this past my guard. The segue from Machiavelli into unhinged ranting against humanism was inspired.
That boy fresh!
The prince is a necessary read for any leader
Helpful conversation in terms of understanding part of the conflict among branches of the right. I have to say, as much as I love Auron, I completely disagree that we can reestablish a Christian order by Machiavellian means. That goes against everything the apostles taught. There is no case in history where forced conversions to a Christian way of life turned out well. It can’t. He who lives by the sword dies by the sword, and that’s as true at the population level as it is at the individual level.
I do think that he’s right about building back up from the community level. A nation can only ever become Christian from the bottom up, not the top down. Will it result in the balkanization of America? Maybe. But that’s better than the whole country racing off the cliff together.
What's your opinion/response on the pragmatic necessity of leaders using raw sheer power and Christendom's alleged foundation on that. I am really ignorant on all this so please be kind if the question comes off as deviant!
I still love Machiavelli as a path to my current understanding of power. However, I do see issues. Despite that it is always key to unlocking pathways
Why doesn't the interviewy explicitly mention the French and the Spanish which were the main forces the Italians had to contend with. Instead he mentions the church which of course also played a large role because there was a large papal state in Italy.
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Awesome! Now do The Christian Prince by Erasmus :)
Seeing Auron in a suit and tie makes me very very uncomfortable...
Full windsor always mogs half windsor
Phill Collins!
One true politician
I havent read the prince, but it seems like machiavelli is stating the corrupting nature of power should be embraced as the only way to rule a state. There is definitely truth to that, but it seems like he didnt account for how that inevitably leads to a moral decay of the leaders, which leads to decadence, which leads to losing power. I could be wrong and am going to read the prince now.
I'm not a Machiavelli scholar, but I believe that having a cunning leader who is himself out of the bounds of morality is not the end goal for Machiavelli. It's merely step one on the way to something else. Machiavelli's goals are (I think) to rid Italy of its corrupting foreign influence, and to restore the Roman Republic. To accomplish the first part, you need someone who is going to get down and dirty and who really understands power (the prince). But once that's done, their shelf life is over and its time to evolve into something more moral and stable.
Read the prince. Or listen to the audiobook, it is easy to find on youtube.
But do not listen to specialists, including these guests, because it seem most people did not understand the book.
The short notes of the prince would be:
A good leader is firm but kind. But when you can only pick on, pick firm.
Because kindness alone just means you will be exploited.
And while being virtues is good, do not let it shackle you, because sometimes you need to act "evil" to get what you want. Also, other people are not virtues so you need to expect the backstab.
“I haven’t read anything that would give me any idea of what I’m talking about, but let me still feel the need to comment even though I’m completely lost.”
🤦
Auron does not pass the physiognomy check
Pfffft, I bet you do though.
Nassim Taleb looks different
Sauron basically thinks you can incorporate Machiavelli to tip the scales to favor his side in the nihilistic pissing contest known as the dialectic.
The simple & most effective solution of course would be to reject the concept & merit of the dialectic to begin with. But that pulls the curtain up on their power grab.
Weird to see Aauron wearing a suit. Maybe he finally wants to be taken seriously
He won't be taken seriously until he ditches being a simp for Hegel/Marx & stops his Woke Right crusade
@@JB-wh3wetell me this is satire
@@eternalengland no sadly, i think Sauron is sincere in his Woke Right beliefs. Or he's being paid to be
The Woke Right patron saint
Nobody cares, Lindsay.
@@kristianbraun5604everyone thinks it's weird how the woke right denies their own existence. Its essentially groyper beliefs but couched in long winded explanations & revisionist history. Deeply unpopular w/ the masses.
@@JB-wh3we >”the woke right denies their own existence”
Lmao no. They only deny the term “woke right” because James Lindsay himself admitted that he only came up with the term as a buzzword to smear any right winger who wants to use political institutions of power to secure political victories (also known as politics). Lindsay, however has convinced himself that his views and particular political vision are actually neutral, and everyone else is just woke (he suffers from profound mental retardation).
Lol why does anyone care what Sauron Simp has to say. He's a Hegel fanboi, just like Marx.
log off the burner account and go home, James Lindsay, you're drunk!
James Lindsay alt? 🤔
@JudgeMatty appreciate the compliment. But it became pretty obvious when yall doubled down on stanning for Marx