The range I go to hand both of these to rent. I put 50 rounds in each. I did like the m&p 2.0 feel in my hand more. But I shot more accurately with the Glock. I ended picking up a used g19 gen 4 for 400 at a pawn shop.
I know all about it. It's forced innovation because the German police didn't want a Browning action. For Glock to conquer that last remaining major market they had to come up with a rotating barrel to meet the German police requirements. Don't expect to see it outside of Germany. Gaston is probably having a mental breakdown in a gold plated room somewhere because pictures of it leaked out.
+c4rlo Rossi If you're making a joke, I'll laugh with you. If you're accusing me of being a paid shill for any company, you'll be shown the door. I have a zero tolerance policy for such lies and insults. So, I'll assume you're joking.
I agree with everything you said, except when you said the prices were competitive. The S&W M&P M2.0 Compact is going for easily $100- $150 bucks cheaper everywhere I've looked.
@Betsy Ross 2a fuuuuck. It was on sale on black friday at big retailers, but I missed out and now they're back to 499 msrp. I'll have to go to a gun show and see if they're still around 350 somewhere
The 'sand paper' grip texture on the M&P 2.0 is one of its best features. On almost every other firearm I own I have to put the talon sandpaper grip tape.
I know Glock guys who spend a lot of time with a soldering iron to get that same texture every time they get a new Glock. It's probably not good for M&P to already have that texture because it gives them less of an opportunity to show off their sweet soldering iron skills.
Military Arms Channel - Agreed, I had talon grips on my M&P shield for 2 weeks before throwing them in the trash. I loved the grip level when shooting but it would either leave my skin raw or snag on my under shirt while drawing. Maybe next time I'll try the rubberized grips like you mentioned.
Yup, I'd rather have a grip texture that's too aggressive: I can always just sandpaper it down later. If it's not aggressive *enough*, then that's a lot more trouble to fix.
Lol preach the gospel brother you have a good idea there you should email Smith and Wesson maybe they will reward you for your idea it's not unheard of good companies doing that for a customer when a idea comes Outsourced aka not from Within the company they may give ya something "gun" like a way of saying thank you!!!!
By your logic, Glock should make a deal with Ghost, Zev or Apex to install their triggers on all Glocks. The reason that gun manufacturers do not ship most of their guns with race triggers is liability... As well as the fact that they would never win another LE contract due to "unsafe" triggers. Both S&W and Glock do not have great triggers from the factory, but they are selling these guns to the lowest common denominator of shooting skills, and to government entities, neither of which demand race triggers.
I’ve shot almost everything out there except for the M&P series, until today. Picked up a like-new M&P9 compact and I was BLOWN. AWAY. at how well I shot with it. I’m so impressed that I’m not even going to mess with the trigger. Just some night sights, and now I think i might have my new EDC...
GREAT video. I also compared both. (Mind you, I was and still am a die hard Glock guy, always will be with exceptions. This pistol is the exception.) However, after shooting a friend's Gen 5 G19 on one target and his M&P 9mm 2.0 on another, multiple times, hundreds of rounds, I was shocked with my results. My grouping was better with the M&P, it felt much more natural in hand while putting rounds down range, the grip texture locked my hand(s) like glue onto the pistol and after all was said and done, the Smith, in my hands, beat the Glock. I ultimately I purchased the M&P. It's now my duty weapon. I doubted him telling me to try the Smith and that I might change my mind about being strictly Glock. He was right. This M&P 9 2.0 is an awesome pistol and I highly recommend it over the G19 IMO. Remember, I was die hard Glock, but don't get locked into a single manufacturer. Believe me, I now know. Keep posting, you are an asset to us 2A supporters and those who want to be in the know. Subscribing. Semper Fi. 🤙🏻
As of 10 Apr 18 the S&W M&P9 Compact as low as $399.99 with free shipping. Lowest price I saw for Glock 19 Gen 5 was $510 plus $15 shipping. I try to buy all American firearms when I can.
I bought S&W semiautomatic 1990's. During the transition class all malfunctions on the line ( 5000+ department ) were S&W. It was major talk on our department on how unreliable S&W was. After 3000 rounds my S&W began malfuctioning. Three trips to the armory and they could not fix it. Sold the piece of shi*. Fast forward 2008. .380 pocket guns were allowed as off-duty carry and back-up. All malfunctions were S&W. I bought the other brand .380 because it got good ratings with multiple types of ammo and our department gave the OK for the .380's to be fed this certain type of ammo. During the shooting qualification class most of the S&W .380s were malfunctioning. After a few months we were not allowed to use the hollow point because S&W would not cycle the ammo. Oh boy!!!! You keep buying American. I will drive and shoot what works the best and is durable. I will give up beer for however long it takes me to buy a good weapon that will save my life. Buy the way. I have had three people try to kill me while working. I will buy "SPACE ALIEN" if it works better.
@@realitynow4342 You know I agree especially guns, Guns are used to protect and defend. If the gun is unreliable wherever it's made, its defeats the purpose. I can't imagine needed it and it jams or malfunctioning during a real situation. Lord! Not to let that happen to anybody.
@@sandymitchell8182 where are you finding glock 19's for 750-800? You needa find a better dealer. Where I am m&p 2.0's go for 449 and glocks for 530ish.
@@drainoman35 well for the average joe that walks into cabelas or bass pro shop or even their local gun dealer the MSRP for a glock 19 gen 5 is $599,my 7% sales tax= $642 as the gentleman quoted in the video to add some night sights to the glock trigicon HD sights $175 + lets say your gunsmith charges 60? that puts it at $877. I'm assuming your a gun guy and find deals out there as do I, I've found the S&W for $379 retail on gundeals. I really don't care as a former LEO. I bought my Glock 22 for $340 brand new. But for the newbie gun person that watches all these videos trying to figure out which gun to buy it may be a little challenging when they watch all these videos that tell them hey put night sights, put a apex trigger, extended this and that etc. I've carried my glock gen 4 for years right out of the box without one upgrade. this channel is about the best for out of the box comparison's. It just irks me when I see all these guys on youtube saying well this gun has more capacity then the glock but you can buy a extender, and so on defending glock as if it needed to be defended, as gun guys we know all the do dads you can do to a glock,its endless! Its one of the best guns in the world, I own many guns , For a new gun buyer I just want them to tell people whats in the box not what can be done.
I just bought the S&W M&P 2.0 Compact... three mags and night sights for $349.99... I’m a Glock guy... trained for years and carried them in the field... can’t wait to compare the shooting quality and accuracy. Thanks for your review, it made the difference for me to take the chance!
I’m a new shooter and bought my first gun, a M&P 2.0 full size. I tried my brothers glock and it wasn’t for me. I was excited to hear about the new m&p because if I want to consider a carry gun in the future, I’d like to start with something I’m familiar with in a smaller package.
I have noticed that there is a large portion of glock guys recommending the m&p because its a "better gun" but the familiarity of the glock and its rep stops them from switching. Its interesting ill probably get the mp simply because of the grip angle never liked the geometry if glocks.
Nothing at all wrong with a Glock but when I can buy a similar pistol that’s American made and just as reliable for $120 less I’ll go with it. That’s why I chose the M&P 2.0. Great comparison BTW
ballisstix still made with Austrian parts and the vast majority of money goes back to Austria. Accept the fact that Glock is no longer king and is simply overcharging for a pistol that isn’t measurably better than its competition.
Thanks for the video! My M2.0's run great with the 124 grain Freedom Munitions factory new.....great load for the price! As for the new trigger, I have the Apex on my competition (5" model), but am still running the stock trigger on my CCW (4.25"). To me, it seems much improved over the 1.0's trigger...leaving it stock for now.
I thought after handling one yesterday that the trigger reach with no back straps was nicer than the 19/26. Also for me the point of aim is somewhat more natural - even after 1,000's of rounds of Glock. I think it's time for me to start running American all around.
I bought the Smith and Wesson M&P 9 compact over the Glock 19. I had shot my brother's 19 and it is a good gun. I shot extensively a gen 1 M&P compact I gave my son. Why the Smith? It was $80 less, had steel sights not plastic and I think it looks better.
after some jackass decided to cut a hole on the front of the grip i decided not to buy glock anymore. all i wanted was no finger grooves from factory and they finally did but decided to add a cut out. m&p and vp9 for me now on.
3.6 I think it is. I have it too and is my go to weapon now. Looks good feels good. I like how Smith gives you choices upon choices. The safety or no safety and if there is a safety you can take it off and plug it and can hardly tell.
usdpaulp me too, already decided I'm going to pass on the G519 and get an M&P compact 2.0 next. Already have G43 G22 G23 never ever bought. G19 in my life so there's no need to start now Lol. I know my22 and 23 are in Tim's favorite calibers but 40 still out performs 9 just reality Tim. Anyway if I'm going to get a compact 9 I'm getting the M&P this time. Glad there is a gun that's going after a 19 that is actually the 19's size!
Ryan Floyd I had wanted to buy a Glock for years and every time I went to do it, I either went home with nothing, or bought something else. Even after shooting my friend's 19 and 23 with nice triggers, I still couldn't do it. When S&W released the M&P, I had finally found the striker fired, polymer lower pistol that I liked. I know that with proper attention, I could have gotten used to the Glock, but would rather have something with a grip and grip angle that was more natural to me right off the bat. I now own 4.
m&p made in the USA. the only thing better than G19 and dont give me that plastic sight talk. i will take stock plastic glock sights over a stock m&p trigger.
Something important MAC! You really need to use the magazine sleeves for larger magazines for M&Ps. The baseplate is the over insertion stop. A fast reload and you can bash and bend your ejectors so bad they bind on the slide.
This. I can't speak for the 2.0 but my "sub"compact M&P40C slide binds when using full size mags without the sleeves. I have to pull the mags down then the slide closes because of over insertion.
tallhorse89 no, you can’t. Not without damaging the magazine first. All Glock magazines have a ‘ledge’ on the top 1/4 of the mag under the feed lips that prevents over insertion. Even the 36, 42 and 43. Glocks don’t seat on the baseplate, they seat on that ledge.
You can over insert a 17rd magazine into a Glock 19, but the magazine bashes into the bottom of the slide (with slide locked back, and I don't know what it hits with slide forward - assuming slide still). That's better than bashing the ejector.
Ryan Floyd he said at the end of this very video that his cameraman is paid out of patreon support. That would be out of his pocket if not for patreon. It’s not just “toy money”
Great review! I love my gen5 19 but I must say, I’ve had my eye on getting one of those m&p 2.0’s for quite some time now...beautiful gun for sure and feels great in the hand
Own both, M&P feels better in the hand, comes with steel guide rod and sights but like the stock Glock trigger a bit more. Just a matter of preference...
I used to carry. G19 now I carry a G43. My issue is that when all rounds are spent, the magazine doesn't drop. I have pretty much move half of my hand off the gun and press the mag release. Similar issue with the G19. The mags fly out of the 2.0 even when empty. So I bought that. But great video.
This is a damn fine comparison video. Clear, quality information, with your opinions clearly discernable. I came away with knowing everything I need to make a purchase decision, especially loved to hear that the compact M&P accepts 17 round mag. Definitely leaning hard towards the M&P, just not sure about the trigger but it is U.S. made and more affordable thank the G19.
I own a Shield 1.0 that everyone claims has a horrible trigger. I dont notice anything bad enough about it to change it. Very reliable and no malfunctions at all. M&P is an awesome platform. Test them both out first to see which one fits your shooting style and accuracy better
Just a tip if you already own a Glock sight pusher and purchase a M&P 2.0. If you remove the slide plate off the back of the M&P, the Glock sight pusher works perfectly since the internal slide track dimensions between the two guns are virtually identical even though the external slide width of the M&P is wider.
Honestly the M&P 2.0 Compact is making me think about selling my CZ P-10C. Few reasons so far: 1. Made in USA (no surprise) 2. More accessories (Parts wise at least) 3. Magazines for the M&P, at least with the full-size mags at this time, are more plentiful and inexpensive ($30 or less for the M&P vs $40 or less for the CZ) 4. This is more personal: I can't seem to get the roll pin for the CZ's back strap out. None of my punches work. They're either too big or too small. Back strap removal on the M&P is definitely better than on the CZ. 5. I've felt the stippling on a full size version of the M&P and I like it a little better than on the CZ. 6. IMO, I think I could use the Slide Stop/Release/Whatever on the M&P better than the CZ.
TheBillyReb I have the same issue with the back strap on my fn 509. The stupid pin refuses to come out, and I don't wanna take it to a gun smith just for that.
I agree. MAC is the 2nd TH-camr I've seen who has identified it as a weak point for inserting the magazines. In both cases they said it can get hung up if you insert the magazine at just a little bit of an off-angle. What a bone-headed mistake by Glock! They took out the problematic finger grooves but added in something else to create problems. I also don't like the way they flared the grip at the bottom...it just doesn't work with those itty bitty mag base plates.
I must be the only person that picked up a glock, liked the grip, picked up other guns, said ew and went back to the glock. Maybe I’m just weird but I loved the glock grip
Lol same here it just fits so good and shoots very flat in my hand. I was gifted a Glock for Father's day this year a gen 5 19 and love how good I shoot with it.
Hi Mac..joined the NYPD in '90...issed the G 19 gen 2 in 1995...never had a malfunction in 21 years unless it was a planned malfunction drill at the range...Happy VETERANS day..THANK YOU for your service to this GREATEST NATION ON EARTH..SEMPRE FI
Great comparison, thanks. I have often wondered why S&W didn't make the .45c frame in all the calibers they offer. Now they have, and I predict they will sell a ton of these. On another note, it would appear the reign of terror is over at TH-cam, since I saw a commercial ad before your video. Hope that's the case, at any rate.
I really love your channel!! I like a lot of other channels also. I understand progress. It seems that the more y’all succeed. The fire arms and videos get to a point that an average person with a family could not afford. The videos are still cool and I am glad y’all are at a place in your lives to have those. It would be nice to see videos on the firearms the average person could afford. I’m not being ugly. I understand you get what ya pay for. All the channels have gone from ( look at this cool Wal Mart gun that works to I can shoot and buy a 14000.00 gun ). Most of us can’t. Again I understand. Not being disrespectful or ugly. Myself would like to see content I could actually afford and take care of my family. Thanks I’ll keep watching. Really love watching.
Personally I cannot recommend Freedom Munitions. They did me wrong twice. My first and second orders in which I did not recieve. I waited a month for the first order until I cancelled it. Same with the second. Waiting for product that was on hand for that long with crappy customer service is crap!
I'd say give them one more chance or at least try to contact them. Awhile ago i ordered 2,000 rounds of 9mm reman from Freedom Munitions, I waited a month and they never shipped it yet. however I contacted them and they made it right by sending me 2,000 rounds of new ammo. I believe they were out of stock of reman. fast forward to about a week ago I placed another order of 9mm reman and it was shipped and at my door a few days later.
But but but they sponsor every second youtube channel with free ammo so how can they be bad?! I am starting to see a scheme, the more gun youtubers are sponsored by a gun or ammo company the more likely it is that the product or service is bad.
I agree, they are very slow to ship your order. However, I've never not got the order, eventually, and the ammo works well and it is about the cheapest you can find.
Yeah, because I can't get ammo from anyone else. I've never gotten ammo from ZQI, Federal, Black Hills, Lucky Gunner, etc. I think some people always see a conspiracy where there is none. If I had problems with Freedom Munitions ammo from a functional standpoint, I would stop using it immediately. As for their fulfillment, I've had people run into issues with our own store. We're human. We make mistakes. Not accepting the fact humans make mistakes and immediately hating a company because things didn't go ideally the first time isn't fair IMHO.
I was a Glock guy for about 10 years, and loved carrying my Gen3 G19 daily, until I rented a S&W M&P 9 M2.0 4" Compact and shot it back-to-back against my Glock. I instantly shot the M&P better than my Glock. The M&P is far more ergonomic, more feature-rich, an overall better value, and less expensive. My M&P has proven to be every bit as reliable as my Glock. Additionally, the S&W is made here in the USA by US labor and an iconic American gun manufacturer. In short, I voted for the M&P with my dollars, and sold my old Gen3 Glock 19, which I don't miss at all. Good things! 👍
Awesome review man! I purchased my M&P 2.0 several years ago based on your review and it has been an incredible firearm. I have put about 2,000 rounds through it and never a hiccup. Unbelievable reliable. My only rebuttal is I’m surprised you said you aren’t accurate with the factory trigger. I have 4 other 9mm’s and I am by far most accurate with it. I have let about 10 others of the years shoot it, all of them shooting with great accuracy. I think the stock trigger is amazing. It does break very close to the wall, but it just works. I love the slightly mushy feel of the trigger. To each is their own of course, and nothing wrong with going with an Apex trigger. Personally, I think large and away, the average person should keep the stock trigger as it’s intended to be. It’s an incredibly accurate gun.
What do you guys think Smith & Wesson will release at Shot Show for the 2.0 line ? I hear people say it's going to be a bodyguard 2.0 or Glock 26 size 2.0
Had a Glock 19 for many years like you. I just held the new 2.0 compact today and it is EXACTLY what I was wanting. The Smith left the store with me....
I carry a Glock 19 gen 5 as my duty weapon. Off duty I hava Gen 5 23 and an M&P .40 2.0. I love all 3 of em and have no problems with the recoil on any of em... I shoot the M&P 40 better than the Glocks. The difference is minimal, but still a difference. As always a tremendous and informative video. Thanx so much for putting in the time for us😊
IMO, the new grip texture on the 2.0 is a major selling point! S&W finally did what we asked them to do. I also have a Apex trigger on my 2.0 too, the swivel trigger that comes is awful. My S&W 2.0, 3.6 and CZ 75d are my main carry guns, love them both! I also think the prices are not competitive, S&W 2.0’s going for a $100 or so cheaper.
I don't think it can be understated how important the grip of a handgun is, especially for new shooters. Ergonomics can be subjective, but if you can't maintain a consistent grip and have to adjust after every round or two, it's going to seriously impair your ability to make accurate shots quickly, and you should look at other options. For me, ergonomics is number 2 only to reliability.
The human interface is everything, and we're not all wired the same way. What I may love you may hate. What I shoot well with you may not. So, the most critical thing is 1) try to shoot a prospective new gun before buying and 2) if you can't shoot it at least handle the gun and compare it to others on the market before buying. That's no guarantee you'll shoot it well, but generally the better "feeling" gun will work best for a new shooter.
Agreed. I hope my comment didn't come across as "the m&p is more 'ergonomic' therefore it is better." Rather, the gun that fits you best is going to be the right choice in almost every case. Sometimes you don't get a choice (i.e. military) and you CAN train through it. It's a point you hit early in the video and one I think is way more important than the consideration it is usually given.
I tried a Glock 17 Gen 2 or 3 a long time ago and hated it, but I tried a Gen 4 G19 with the large beavertail backstraps and fell in love with it. Had to have one right away. It felt perfect and I shot it better than my buddy who was showing it to me.
That is often the case for me too....some guns I shoot great, while others don't have the same result. With so many great products on the market these days, I always suggest people shoot several different makes/models before choosing the "best" one for them.....
Mike Bryant actually it looks normal to see the new darker glock slides. The glocks before gen 4 had a dark hard tinifer finish....it is actually the gen 4 slides that they cut cost on and went with a cheap finish on that I have scratched up both of my gen 4 glocks the first day I had them...meanwhile I have a gen 3 that has 10 years of holster wear and belt racking on it with nearly no wear to show from it.
Between those two, M&P all day. I'm genuinely irritated at Glock at this point: they *continue* ignoring us by refusing to undercut the trigger guard or make the whole trigger guard thinner and by refusing to put proper sights on it, plus they put this stupid notch on the bottom of the front strap that nobody wanted. Fuck 'em. There's way too much better stuff out there now (M&P, P10C, VP9/P30, P320, etc.), Glock has no excuse.
"derrr it doesn't matter that the gun has undesirable features if you can pay even more money or risk possibly ruining the firearm with a dremel tool to fix it". I'm just playin' with ya.
I'm going to agree with you. You called out the OBVIOUS flaws that Glock should have corrected a long, long time ago. The M&P is the better gun. It's better made and costs $60 less (at least in my area). Sure, Glock gives us one more mag. Yay? For me, the M&P trigger is fine and better than the Glock...and I've shot Glocks for decades. The Win...at least in my opinion...easily goes to the M&P.
Well, Chris, if you watch some more TH-cam videos on it, you'll see that I'm definitely not the only one. I own multiple Glocks and have shot them for years. Sure. The Glock has a vastly superior reset. I'd describe the Glock's rest as "CLICK!!!!!" and the M&P M2.0''s reset as "Click". I kicked my addition to the "CLICK!!!!!" a long time ago, so that isn't important to me. Yes, the curvature on the Glock's trigger is flatter than that of the M&P. I prefer that part of the Glock's shape, but I really don't like the stiffness of it's dingus (go ahead and laugh MAC; it's ok, we all have to let our inner 14-year old play a little). I don't like M&P's hinged trigger, but I prefer it's flat, dingus-free fac. As for the M&P being better made, I really think it is (particularly when shooting outside of 9mm). Does it being more "heavy duty" than the Glock matter for 9mm? Nope. I've got a 1989 G19 that runs like a top...and it has thousands upon thousands of rounds, no problem. But man, I HATE that notch on the front strap. I think that you may be suffering from Glockopia.
Sorry sport. I have both and shot thousands of rounds for both. You, per your earlier post..."shot a couple". You definitely have Glockopia. Glock definitely wins the super practical award, but they just don't have it over several of their competitors.
Nice video Mac. Ive been waiting for this m&p forever. I actually wrote smith and Wesson a letter several years ago asking them to make it. Glad they finally got around to It. Now I just have to buy one and test it out myself. I carry Glock 19 gen 3. Not to happy about the gen 5 grip cut out too. Keep the videos coming Mac. If you ever want to come shoot sometime and film a video. I have a private 1000yd + range near Frankfort IL
Great video MAC. I'm a Glock fan. I've never had an M&P but I wouldn't be opposed to purchasing one... I like the way they look... They look to be quality... An also see you like Monster Energy... I do to. Use to drink them everyday...
I am thrilled to get these videos early by being a Patreon. The first deal that you guys at Copper Custom gave us more than paid for what I pledge per month. Also, M&P all the way for me. The original was one of my first handguns and I shoot it much better than a Glock.
I am a Glock fanboy, so I am just getting that out of the way first off. This is the first vid on YT that has actually spoke to first time buyers, and not just guys who own Glock or M&P’s already. Now I am sure I will be corrected about some other dude on YT doing it, but obviously I haven’t seen their vid otherwise I wouldn’t of said that. I like how you did a comparison of both pistols, inserting your opinions in a respectful way towards each pistol, and gave the facts on both pistols. I hope that more channels head toward this way of review rather than just speaking to people who own these handguns already and are looking for validation for what they bought. There a lot of first time buyers out there doing research on buying their first pistol, or looking to maybe move into a new brand of pistol, and this vid would be great for someone who is maybe looking at getting into either model of handguns. Excellent vid! Awesome Tee as well!
Did you mention the stainless steel frame inbedded in the M&P frame? Don't get that out of square Glock frame flex that you have to straighten with a heat gun. M&P ALL DAY!
Hey there MAC. Awesome video. Believe it or not, i bought a Gen4 G19 brand new about 4 years ago, give or take a bit. Guide rod broke in half in the gun with less than two hundred rounds through it. It really surprised me. Needless to say it was easy to replace, none the less it did happen. Ive sold all my Glocks and carry MP's, XD's now. Still a Glock fan, just cannot justify the price on Glocks.
Dude, you're the best. Great comparison. I've been a Glock man forever...until now. Picked a an M&P 2.0 Compact. Put the flat face Apex trigger in. This is the best striker fired trigger on the market. Nothing else even comes close. Love this gun. Now I'm conflicted. So invested in Glock.
Smith & Wesson guns are made in the USA. Glocks are made in Austria. Smith & Wesson customer service is excellent if you ever need to send in a gun for repair. This can't be said for Glock. Buy the M&P.
"S&W makes either full size pistols or super compact pistols that are horribly unergonomic." - False, they have had three sizes of pistols and having worked in a gun shop, people almost always say the ergonomics are better on the M&P Shield vs any other of the single stack 9mm counterparts.
Try the medium large backstrap on the M&P and you will like the longer trigger reach. I dislike the Glock Gen 5 flared magwell and front grip cutout. Flared magwell is not needed and will make a CCW print more. The cutout is stupid and uncomfortable.
I like that you apply common sense based on experience vs a battle of statistics without it. Experience, for those who have it, counts for more than comparing spreadsheets.
Military Arms Channel Kind of suspected that, just wanted to hear it from you. Thanks for the reply, I appreciate the work you put into all these videos!!
Maximus Joseppi I’ve been carrying a Glock 19 gen 4 for a few years and really like it, but I’ve been considering trying something else. I’ve leaned towards the P10c, mainly because of the superior trigger. Think that’s what I’ll go with.
The range I go to hand both of these to rent. I put 50 rounds in each. I did like the m&p 2.0 feel in my hand more. But I shot more accurately with the Glock. I ended picking up a used g19 gen 4 for 400 at a pawn shop.
And that's how you should make a purchasing decision right there.
Military Arms Channel google glock 46 .... crazy stuff... actual innovation from glock
No, we buy what you, and Yankee, and Hickok tell us to buy. (based on what company sponsors the channel)
I know all about it. It's forced innovation because the German police didn't want a Browning action. For Glock to conquer that last remaining major market they had to come up with a rotating barrel to meet the German police requirements. Don't expect to see it outside of Germany. Gaston is probably having a mental breakdown in a gold plated room somewhere because pictures of it leaked out.
+c4rlo Rossi
If you're making a joke, I'll laugh with you. If you're accusing me of being a paid shill for any company, you'll be shown the door. I have a zero tolerance policy for such lies and insults.
So, I'll assume you're joking.
I agree with everything you said, except when you said the prices were competitive. The S&W M&P M2.0 Compact is going for easily $100- $150 bucks cheaper everywhere I've looked.
2 years later, the M&P is $20 cheaper lol.
Paid 350 + taxes for a 40 m&p yesterday.
@Betsy Ross 2a fuuuuck. It was on sale on black friday at big retailers, but I missed out and now they're back to 499 msrp. I'll have to go to a gun show and see if they're still around 350 somewhere
@@jcmartinez7527 sub 400. Catch em at any sale time and they drop them close to 300 grabagun.com/smith-and-wesson-mp9-m2-0-cmpct-9mm-15-1-4-fs.html
I got mine not to long ago and it was 150 cheaper than the glock as well as 100 cheaper than the full size m&p.
I have both, the M&P just feels better.
The 'sand paper' grip texture on the M&P 2.0 is one of its best features. On almost every other firearm I own I have to put the talon sandpaper grip tape.
You must have elephant skin or wear an t-shirt between your grip and your skin.
I know Glock guys who spend a lot of time with a soldering iron to get that same texture every time they get a new Glock. It's probably not good for M&P to already have that texture because it gives them less of an opportunity to show off their sweet soldering iron skills.
Military Arms Channel - Agreed, I had talon grips on my M&P shield for 2 weeks before throwing them in the trash. I loved the grip level when shooting but it would either leave my skin raw or snag on my under shirt while drawing. Maybe next time I'll try the rubberized grips like you mentioned.
Yup, I'd rather have a grip texture that's too aggressive: I can always just sandpaper it down later. If it's not aggressive *enough*, then that's a lot more trouble to fix.
The rubberized grips are by far my favorite. Grippy without being abrasive.
S&W should just make a deal with apex triggers to install them on all their M&P pistols, like Dodge did with Cummins😜
The Punisher lol great analogy.
Lol preach the gospel brother you have a good idea there you should email Smith and Wesson maybe they will reward you for your idea it's not unheard of good companies doing that for a customer when a idea comes Outsourced aka not from Within the company they may give ya something "gun" like a way of saying thank you!!!!
By your logic, Glock should make a deal with Ghost, Zev or Apex to install their triggers on all Glocks.
The reason that gun manufacturers do not ship most of their guns with race triggers is liability... As well as the fact that they would never win another LE contract due to "unsafe" triggers.
Both S&W and Glock do not have great triggers from the factory, but they are selling these guns to the lowest common denominator of shooting skills, and to government entities, neither of which demand race triggers.
@@gregglass119 we are not talking about a race trigger !! We are talking about a better trigger they are 2 very different things
No no they should not.You do not need an Apex trigger.
S&W any day of the week. I have a Shield and M&P .45. Both are amazing.
I’ve shot almost everything out there except for the M&P series, until today. Picked up a like-new M&P9 compact and I was BLOWN. AWAY. at how well I shot with it. I’m so impressed that I’m not even going to mess with the trigger. Just some night sights, and now I think i might have my new EDC...
GREAT video. I also compared both. (Mind you, I was and still am a die hard Glock guy, always will be with exceptions. This pistol is the exception.)
However, after shooting a friend's Gen 5 G19 on one target and his M&P 9mm 2.0 on another, multiple times, hundreds of rounds, I was shocked with my results.
My grouping was better with the M&P, it felt much more natural in hand while putting rounds down range, the grip texture locked my hand(s) like glue onto the pistol and after all was said and done, the Smith, in my hands, beat the Glock.
I ultimately I purchased the M&P. It's now my duty weapon.
I doubted him telling me to try the Smith and that I might change my mind about being strictly Glock.
He was right.
This M&P 9 2.0 is an awesome pistol and I highly recommend it over the G19 IMO.
Remember, I was die hard Glock, but don't get locked into a single manufacturer. Believe me, I now know.
Keep posting, you are an asset to us 2A supporters and those who want to be in the know.
Subscribing. Semper Fi. 🤙🏻
great comparison
I like the looks of the M&P better
As of 10 Apr 18 the S&W M&P9 Compact as low as $399.99 with free shipping.
Lowest price I saw for Glock 19 Gen 5 was $510 plus $15 shipping.
I try to buy all American firearms when I can.
I bought S&W semiautomatic 1990's. During the transition class all malfunctions on the line ( 5000+ department ) were S&W. It was major talk on our department on how unreliable S&W was. After 3000 rounds my S&W began malfuctioning. Three trips to the armory and they could not fix it. Sold the piece of shi*. Fast forward 2008. .380 pocket guns were allowed as off-duty carry and back-up. All malfunctions were S&W. I bought the other brand .380 because it got good ratings with multiple types of ammo and our department gave the OK for the .380's to be fed this certain type of ammo. During the shooting qualification class most of the S&W .380s were malfunctioning. After a few months we were not allowed to use the hollow point because S&W would not cycle the ammo. Oh boy!!!! You keep buying American. I will drive and shoot what works the best and is durable. I will give up beer for however long it takes me to buy a good weapon that will save my life. Buy the way. I have had three people try to kill me while working. I will buy "SPACE ALIEN" if it works better.
@@realitynow4342 You know I agree especially guns, Guns are used to protect and defend. If the gun is unreliable wherever it's made, its defeats the purpose. I can't imagine needed it and it jams or malfunctioning during a real situation. Lord! Not to let that happen to anybody.
Reality Now yeah but m&p’s are well beyond proven. Basing your judgement on a gun smith put out 30 years ago is foolish.
To think about that, now they’re near 500 bucks....😯😯
If Pistols are so close then why not go with less expensive, American made pistol M&P?
maybe glock pays them? and the smitty is close to $300 cheaper,made in the USA,lifetime warranty,looks better.. LOL thats called Fanboy
You are so right USA made support it
So that's why the Glock works so well? It's not made here in the U.S by a bunch of overpaid Union workers.
@@sandymitchell8182 where are you finding glock 19's for 750-800? You needa find a better dealer. Where I am m&p 2.0's go for 449 and glocks for 530ish.
@@drainoman35 well for the average joe that walks into cabelas or bass pro shop or even their local gun dealer the MSRP for a glock 19 gen 5 is $599,my 7% sales tax= $642 as the gentleman quoted in the video to add some night sights to the glock trigicon HD sights $175 + lets say your gunsmith charges 60? that puts it at $877. I'm assuming your a gun guy and find deals out there as do I, I've found the S&W for $379 retail on gundeals. I really don't care as a former LEO. I bought my Glock 22 for $340 brand new. But for the newbie gun person that watches all these videos trying to figure out which gun to buy it may be a little challenging when they watch all these videos that tell them hey put night sights, put a apex trigger, extended this and that etc. I've carried my glock gen 4 for years right out of the box without one upgrade. this channel is about the best for out of the box comparison's. It just irks me when I see all these guys on youtube saying well this gun has more capacity then the glock but you can buy a extender, and so on defending glock as if it needed to be defended, as gun guys we know all the do dads you can do to a glock,its endless! Its one of the best guns in the world, I own many guns , For a new gun buyer I just want them to tell people whats in the box not what can be done.
I just bought the S&W M&P 2.0 Compact... three mags and night sights for $349.99... I’m a Glock guy... trained for years and carried them in the field... can’t wait to compare the shooting quality and accuracy. Thanks for your review, it made the difference for me to take the chance!
Dog I fuckin wish I could find a deal like that
FINALLY!!! This is the pistol I've been bitching to S&W about for years. It's exactly this pistol I want!
OMG YES! I feel your pain, It’s a must have!
I’m a new shooter and bought my first gun, a M&P 2.0 full size. I tried my brothers glock and it wasn’t for me.
I was excited to hear about the new m&p because if I want to consider a carry gun in the future, I’d like to start with something I’m familiar with in a smaller package.
I have noticed that there is a large portion of glock guys recommending the m&p because its a "better gun" but the familiarity of the glock and its rep stops them from switching. Its interesting ill probably get the mp simply because of the grip angle never liked the geometry if glocks.
You won't regret it
Nothing at all wrong with a Glock but when I can buy a similar pistol that’s American made and just as reliable for $120 less I’ll go with it. That’s why I chose the M&P 2.0. Great comparison BTW
Or you can just buy a glock usa production.
ballisstix still made with Austrian parts and the vast majority of money goes back to Austria. Accept the fact that Glock is no longer king and is simply overcharging for a pistol that isn’t measurably better than its competition.
Thanks for the video! My M2.0's run great with the 124 grain Freedom Munitions factory new.....great load for the price! As for the new trigger, I have the Apex on my competition (5" model), but am still running the stock trigger on my CCW (4.25"). To me, it seems much improved over the 1.0's trigger...leaving it stock for now.
One thing I love about the m&p line is the slide finish, it's tough as hell.
And not slick like gen 5 glocks
@@chevykent77
Gen 5 is overrate. Gen 3 is still king.
@@joebenson528 my fave seems like my gen 4 fs with glock night sights..Perfer Trig hd got on my g45 9mm orange dot big and xr on my s/w
I thought after handling one yesterday that the trigger reach with no back straps was nicer than the 19/26. Also for me the point of aim is somewhat more natural - even after 1,000's of rounds of Glock. I think it's time for me to start running American all around.
Well said.
Proud to support MAC! Nice to see these great videos early among other perks! If you're not supporting MAC I seriously recommend it!
I bought the Smith and Wesson M&P 9 compact over the Glock 19. I had shot my brother's 19 and it is a good gun. I shot extensively a gen 1 M&P compact I gave my son. Why the Smith? It was $80 less, had steel sights not plastic and I think it looks better.
after some jackass decided to cut a hole on the front of the grip i decided not to buy glock anymore. all i wanted was no finger grooves from factory and they finally did but decided to add a cut out. m&p and vp9 for me now on.
S&W has been making an M&P 9mm compact for years. I own one Model M&P9C with a 3.5" barrel.
3.6 I think it is. I have it too and is my go to weapon now. Looks good feels good. I like how Smith gives you choices upon choices. The safety or no safety and if there is a safety you can take it off and plug it and can hardly tell.
I wish I had a setup like that in my backyard, I also wish I had a backyard.
😂🤣
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I own both of these firearms and love both of them as well. Both are excellent firearms and you can’t go wrong with either one.
Great video! I just got my 2.0 compact this week and I'm loving it. I've been waiting for this sized M&P for a while.
M&p all day
Kevin Maxwell all day!!!!
Yeah....but Glock for life!😁👍🏼
“That cutout sucks”
Lmao. I agree, Glock screwed up big time.
I went 2.0
For all the reason he said, my gripe in that cut out is it pinches my pinky when I soot em.
Hurts me to say this, being a glocktard and all, but m&p seems to be loads nicer.
usdpaulp me too, already decided I'm going to pass on the G519 and get an M&P compact 2.0 next. Already have G43 G22 G23 never ever bought. G19 in my life so there's no need to start now Lol. I know my22 and 23 are in Tim's favorite calibers but 40 still out performs 9 just reality Tim. Anyway if I'm going to get a compact 9 I'm getting the M&P this time. Glad there is a gun that's going after a 19 that is actually the 19's size!
Ryan Floyd I had wanted to buy a Glock for years and every time I went to do it, I either went home with nothing, or bought something else. Even after shooting my friend's 19 and 23 with nice triggers, I still couldn't do it. When S&W released the M&P, I had finally found the striker fired, polymer lower pistol that I liked. I know that with proper attention, I could have gotten used to the Glock, but would rather have something with a grip and grip angle that was more natural to me right off the bat. I now own 4.
usdpaulp join the dark side
Chris Loew good side*
m&p made in the USA. the only thing better than G19 and dont give me that plastic sight talk. i will take stock plastic glock sights over a stock m&p trigger.
“It all boils down to personal preference.” That’s about as close as it gets. Thanks having the honesty to be able to say that.
Honestly I love the stippling on the m&p 2.0
Now this is the militaryarms review I was waiting for. Thank you very informative!
I would go with the m&p its straight grip works best for my hands.
M&P all day!
Something important MAC! You really need to use the magazine sleeves for larger magazines for M&Ps. The baseplate is the over insertion stop. A fast reload and you can bash and bend your ejectors so bad they bind on the slide.
Had the slide of my Shield totally bind up after using the longer 8rd mags without the sleeves.
The shield is a single stack, compact is not. You can over insert a single stack glock too.
This. I can't speak for the 2.0 but my "sub"compact M&P40C slide binds when using full size mags without the sleeves. I have to pull the mags down then the slide closes because of over insertion.
tallhorse89 no, you can’t. Not without damaging the magazine first. All Glock magazines have a ‘ledge’ on the top 1/4 of the mag under the feed lips that prevents over insertion. Even the 36, 42 and 43. Glocks don’t seat on the baseplate, they seat on that ledge.
You can over insert a 17rd magazine into a Glock 19, but the magazine bashes into the bottom of the slide (with slide locked back, and I don't know what it hits with slide forward - assuming slide still). That's better than bashing the ejector.
I have a Beretta 92FS Compact and a FNS 9C. Now I’m going to after this S&W M&P 2.0 3.6”
Support MAC on Patreon and see these vids early. PS- Screw you TH-cam for flagging these harmless videos.
Thelefthandedshooter na
Is it now?
Ryan Floyd you may want to try working two jobs on the income of one before you judge.
Ryan Floyd he said at the end of this very video that his cameraman is paid out of patreon support. That would be out of his pocket if not for patreon. It’s not just “toy money”
MAC might accidentally shoot you through the internet.
Great review! I love my gen5 19 but I must say, I’ve had my eye on getting one of those m&p 2.0’s for quite some time now...beautiful gun for sure and feels great in the hand
Own both, M&P feels better in the hand, comes with steel guide rod and sights but like the stock Glock trigger a bit more. Just a matter of preference...
i like this channel, he seems to be looking at things really objectively , just what i look for in a gun related video, thx !
Been waiting on this video so long! Thanks for what you do!
I used to carry. G19 now I carry a G43. My issue is that when all rounds are spent, the magazine doesn't drop. I have pretty much move half of my hand off the gun and press the mag release. Similar issue with the G19. The mags fly out of the 2.0 even when empty. So I bought that. But great video.
This is a damn fine comparison video. Clear, quality information, with your opinions clearly discernable. I came away with knowing everything I need to make a purchase decision, especially loved to hear that the compact M&P accepts 17 round mag. Definitely leaning hard towards the M&P, just not sure about the trigger but it is U.S. made and more affordable thank the G19.
I own a Shield 1.0 that everyone claims has a horrible trigger. I dont notice anything bad enough about it to change it. Very reliable and no malfunctions at all. M&P is an awesome platform. Test them both out first to see which one fits your shooting style and accuracy better
@@mikewithers299 I went with HK Vp9 and couldn't be happier
@@christopher2327 awesome gun I have heard. A friend carries one. He swears by it
Just a tip if you already own a Glock sight pusher and purchase a M&P 2.0. If you remove the slide plate off the back of the M&P, the Glock sight pusher works perfectly since the internal slide track dimensions between the two guns are virtually identical even though the external slide width of the M&P is wider.
Honestly the M&P 2.0 Compact is making me think about selling my CZ P-10C.
Few reasons so far:
1. Made in USA (no surprise)
2. More accessories (Parts wise at least)
3. Magazines for the M&P, at least with the full-size mags at this time, are more plentiful and inexpensive ($30 or less for the M&P vs $40 or less for the CZ)
4. This is more personal: I can't seem to get the roll pin for the CZ's back strap out. None of my punches work. They're either too big or too small.
Back strap removal on the M&P is definitely better than on the CZ.
5. I've felt the stippling on a full size version of the M&P and I like it a little better than on the CZ.
6. IMO, I think I could use the Slide Stop/Release/Whatever on the M&P better than the CZ.
Keep ur p10c, save up and buy the 2.0 :) ull regret it later if u ger rid of it
TheBillyReb I have the same issue with the back strap on my fn 509. The stupid pin refuses to come out, and I don't wanna take it to a gun smith just for that.
TheBillyReb the S&w is a much better gun!
TheBillyReb If you do end up selling it I'd be interested. Lol
TheBillyReb keep it buy the Smith no regrets then.
Hate the cut out on the front of the grip. That's a killer for me
I agree. MAC is the 2nd TH-camr I've seen who has identified it as a weak point for inserting the magazines. In both cases they said it can get hung up if you insert the magazine at just a little bit of an off-angle. What a bone-headed mistake by Glock! They took out the problematic finger grooves but added in something else to create problems. I also don't like the way they flared the grip at the bottom...it just doesn't work with those itty bitty mag base plates.
Steven Bush perhaps you could fix that with apoxy sculp.
My G19 Gen 5 MOS doesn't have the cut out.
I own a 2.0 full size and the more you shoot with your preferred back strap it will wear down and become more comfortable
Best comparison video yet!
I must be the only person that picked up a glock, liked the grip, picked up other guns, said ew and went back to the glock. Maybe I’m just weird but I loved the glock grip
Lol same here it just fits so good and shoots very flat in my hand. I was gifted a Glock for Father's day this year a gen 5 19 and love how good I shoot with it.
Hi Mac..joined the NYPD in '90...issed the G 19 gen 2 in 1995...never had a malfunction in 21 years unless it was a planned malfunction drill at the range...Happy VETERANS day..THANK YOU for your service to this GREATEST NATION ON EARTH..SEMPRE FI
It's nice to see that Glock fixed the "brass to the face" issues with the Gen 5
I have never had issues with brass in the face with my Gen 5 & that is using several types of different ammo
Yep gen 4 glock was great at doing that.
6 years later and this is a great review. I own both, both great shooters. Thanks
The anticipation increases for the PX STORM gauntlet test.
Great comparison, thanks. I have often wondered why S&W didn't make the .45c frame in all the calibers they offer. Now they have, and I predict they will sell a ton of these.
On another note, it would appear the reign of terror is over at TH-cam, since I saw a commercial ad before your video. Hope that's the case, at any rate.
Wasn't a hard choice after testing both at the range. Picked up the M&P 2.0 Compact and liked it so much I bought the full size to go with.
Love getting to see the vids sooner as a Patreon supporter!
M&P all day. 👍
Best review I ever saw. I'm glad someone who is a glock guy give the 2.0 a good review. I plan on upgrading my 2.0 to a new apex trigger
You're right about the Glock sights being easy to remove. My G19 removed it's own front sight for me.
Very informative video and thank you for the information. I'm seeing the 2.0 though sell for almost 100.00 less. Keep up the good work.
Ran my G19 at 75 yds yesterday. So much fun.
To me I preferred the smaller size of the original M&P9c. I have smaller hands so it still fit very well. And is more concealable than a glock 19
I really love your channel!! I like a lot of other channels also. I understand progress. It seems that the more y’all succeed. The fire arms and videos get to a point that an average person with a family could not afford. The videos are still cool and I am glad y’all are at a place in your lives to have those. It would be nice to see videos on the firearms the average person could afford. I’m not being ugly. I understand you get what ya pay for. All the channels have gone from ( look at this cool Wal Mart gun that works to I can shoot and buy a 14000.00 gun ). Most of us can’t. Again I understand. Not being disrespectful or ugly. Myself would like to see content I could actually afford and take care of my family. Thanks I’ll keep watching. Really love watching.
Personally I cannot recommend Freedom Munitions. They did me wrong twice. My first and second orders in which I did not recieve.
I waited a month for the first order until I cancelled it.
Same with the second. Waiting for product that was on hand for that long with crappy customer service is crap!
I'd say give them one more chance or at least try to contact them. Awhile ago i ordered 2,000 rounds of 9mm reman from Freedom Munitions, I waited a month and they never shipped it yet. however I contacted them and they made it right by sending me 2,000 rounds of new ammo. I believe they were out of stock of reman. fast forward to about a week ago I placed another order of 9mm reman and it was shipped and at my door a few days later.
But but but they sponsor every second youtube channel with free ammo so how can they be bad?! I am starting to see a scheme, the more gun youtubers are sponsored by a gun or ammo company the more likely it is that the product or service is bad.
I agree, they are very slow to ship your order. However, I've never not got the order, eventually, and the ammo works well and it is about the cheapest you can find.
SG Ammo out of Stillwater Oklahoma. Your ammo will be sitting on your porch in two days ;)
Yeah, because I can't get ammo from anyone else. I've never gotten ammo from ZQI, Federal, Black Hills, Lucky Gunner, etc. I think some people always see a conspiracy where there is none. If I had problems with Freedom Munitions ammo from a functional standpoint, I would stop using it immediately. As for their fulfillment, I've had people run into issues with our own store. We're human. We make mistakes. Not accepting the fact humans make mistakes and immediately hating a company because things didn't go ideally the first time isn't fair IMHO.
I was a Glock guy for about 10 years, and loved carrying my Gen3 G19 daily, until I rented a S&W M&P 9 M2.0 4" Compact and shot it back-to-back against my Glock.
I instantly shot the M&P better than my Glock.
The M&P is far more ergonomic, more feature-rich, an overall better value, and less expensive.
My M&P has proven to be every bit as reliable as my Glock.
Additionally, the S&W is made here in the USA by US labor and an iconic American gun manufacturer.
In short, I voted for the M&P with my dollars, and sold my old Gen3 Glock 19, which I don't miss at all.
Good things! 👍
Both are great range guns or owb, Glock is a little more reliable with ammo. I carry a shield because it is thinner. I carry appendix
Awesome review man! I purchased my M&P 2.0 several years ago based on your review and it has been an incredible firearm. I have put about 2,000 rounds through it and never a hiccup. Unbelievable reliable.
My only rebuttal is I’m surprised you said you aren’t accurate with the factory trigger. I have 4 other 9mm’s and I am by far most accurate with it. I have let about 10 others of the years shoot it, all of them shooting with great accuracy. I think the stock trigger is amazing. It does break very close to the wall, but it just works. I love the slightly mushy feel of the trigger. To each is their own of course, and nothing wrong with going with an Apex trigger. Personally, I think large and away, the average person should keep the stock trigger as it’s intended to be. It’s an incredibly accurate gun.
Now for a Shield 9 with the 2.0 texture
Daniel Stein that’s coming soon. Part numbers for the shield 2.0 are showing up at dealers.
James Breen sweet
I felt one yesterday and I loved it.
What do you guys think Smith & Wesson will release at Shot Show for the 2.0 line ? I hear people say it's going to be a bodyguard 2.0 or Glock 26 size 2.0
This is a great comparison. I like how blunt and honest Tim is on all his pro and con observations ;)
It's amazing how fast fall came this year..
Not as amazing as how messed up 2020 been.......lol
Had a Glock 19 for many years like you. I just held the new 2.0 compact today and it is EXACTLY what I was wanting. The Smith left the store with me....
I tried the Glock thing once. Now it burns when I pee....
Speedy517 😂
Hahahahaha
used them in LE, decent pistols but are overrated and overpriced.
@@jbloun911 ...same here, carried a Browning Hi-Power off duty 23 some odd years ago...Now the S&W Performance Center.
Eh, it's nothing a little penicillin won't fix. Besides, you know that Glock did things for you your M&P never would ;-)
I carry a Glock 19 gen 5 as my duty weapon. Off duty I hava Gen 5 23 and an M&P .40 2.0. I love all 3 of em and have no problems with the recoil on any of em... I shoot the M&P 40 better than the Glocks. The difference is minimal, but still a difference. As always a tremendous and informative video. Thanx so much for putting in the time for us😊
M&P will be 100$ cheaper on average, HUGE difference.
Good video! I like this longer format!
IMO, the new grip texture on the 2.0 is a major selling point! S&W finally did what we asked them to do. I also have a Apex trigger on my 2.0 too, the swivel trigger that comes is awful. My S&W 2.0, 3.6 and CZ 75d are my main carry guns, love them both!
I also think the prices are not competitive, S&W 2.0’s going for a $100 or so cheaper.
I don't think it can be understated how important the grip of a handgun is, especially for new shooters. Ergonomics can be subjective, but if you can't maintain a consistent grip and have to adjust after every round or two, it's going to seriously impair your ability to make accurate shots quickly, and you should look at other options. For me, ergonomics is number 2 only to reliability.
The human interface is everything, and we're not all wired the same way. What I may love you may hate. What I shoot well with you may not. So, the most critical thing is 1) try to shoot a prospective new gun before buying and 2) if you can't shoot it at least handle the gun and compare it to others on the market before buying. That's no guarantee you'll shoot it well, but generally the better "feeling" gun will work best for a new shooter.
Agreed. I hope my comment didn't come across as "the m&p is more 'ergonomic' therefore it is better." Rather, the gun that fits you best is going to be the right choice in almost every case. Sometimes you don't get a choice (i.e. military) and you CAN train through it. It's a point you hit early in the video and one I think is way more important than the consideration it is usually given.
I tried a Glock 17 Gen 2 or 3 a long time ago and hated it, but I tried a Gen 4 G19 with the large beavertail backstraps and fell in love with it. Had to have one right away. It felt perfect and I shot it better than my buddy who was showing it to me.
It's weird to see that darker Gen 5 slide.
That is often the case for me too....some guns I shoot great, while others don't have the same result. With so many great products on the market these days, I always suggest people shoot several different makes/models before choosing the "best" one for them.....
Mike Bryant actually it looks normal to see the new darker glock slides. The glocks before gen 4 had a dark hard tinifer finish....it is actually the gen 4 slides that they cut cost on and went with a cheap finish on that I have scratched up both of my gen 4 glocks the first day I had them...meanwhile I have a gen 3 that has 10 years of holster wear and belt racking on it with nearly no wear to show from it.
Between those two, M&P all day. I'm genuinely irritated at Glock at this point: they *continue* ignoring us by refusing to undercut the trigger guard or make the whole trigger guard thinner and by refusing to put proper sights on it, plus they put this stupid notch on the bottom of the front strap that nobody wanted. Fuck 'em. There's way too much better stuff out there now (M&P, P10C, VP9/P30, P320, etc.), Glock has no excuse.
Lol a dremel tool should never have to touch a decent firearm.
"derrr it doesn't matter that the gun has undesirable features if you can pay even more money or risk possibly ruining the firearm with a dremel tool to fix it". I'm just playin' with ya.
I'm going to agree with you. You called out the OBVIOUS flaws that Glock should have corrected a long, long time ago. The M&P is the better gun. It's better made and costs $60 less (at least in my area). Sure, Glock gives us one more mag. Yay? For me, the M&P trigger is fine and better than the Glock...and I've shot Glocks for decades. The Win...at least in my opinion...easily goes to the M&P.
Well, Chris, if you watch some more TH-cam videos on it, you'll see that I'm definitely not the only one. I own multiple Glocks and have shot them for years. Sure. The Glock has a vastly superior reset. I'd describe the Glock's rest as "CLICK!!!!!" and the M&P M2.0''s reset as "Click". I kicked my addition to the "CLICK!!!!!" a long time ago, so that isn't important to me. Yes, the curvature on the Glock's trigger is flatter than that of the M&P. I prefer that part of the Glock's shape, but I really don't like the stiffness of it's dingus (go ahead and laugh MAC; it's ok, we all have to let our inner 14-year old play a little). I don't like M&P's hinged trigger, but I prefer it's flat, dingus-free fac. As for the M&P being better made, I really think it is (particularly when shooting outside of 9mm). Does it being more "heavy duty" than the Glock matter for 9mm? Nope. I've got a 1989 G19 that runs like a top...and it has thousands upon thousands of rounds, no problem. But man, I HATE that notch on the front strap. I think that you may be suffering from Glockopia.
Sorry sport. I have both and shot thousands of rounds for both. You, per your earlier post..."shot a couple". You definitely have Glockopia. Glock definitely wins the super practical award, but they just don't have it over several of their competitors.
Nice video Mac.
Ive been waiting for this m&p forever. I actually wrote smith and Wesson a letter several years ago asking them to make it. Glad they finally got around to
It. Now I just have to buy one and test it out myself.
I carry Glock 19 gen 3. Not to happy about the gen 5 grip cut out too.
Keep the videos coming Mac. If you ever want to come shoot sometime and film a video. I have a private 1000yd + range near Frankfort IL
Great video MAC. I'm a Glock fan. I've never had an M&P but I wouldn't be opposed to purchasing one... I like the way they look... They look to be quality... An also see you like Monster Energy... I do to. Use to drink them everyday...
I am thrilled to get these videos early by being a Patreon. The first deal that you guys at Copper Custom gave us more than paid for what I pledge per month. Also, M&P all the way for me. The original was one of my first handguns and I shoot it much better than a Glock.
I’m Glock, HK, and CZ guy. Those are enough to keep me happy. Thanks for the interesting video Mac!
Thanks for watching.
I am a Glock fanboy, so I am just getting that out of the way first off. This is the first vid on YT that has actually spoke to first time buyers, and not just guys who own Glock or M&P’s already. Now I am sure I will be corrected about some other dude on YT doing it, but obviously I haven’t seen their vid otherwise I wouldn’t of said that. I like how you did a comparison of both pistols, inserting your opinions in a respectful way towards each pistol, and gave the facts on both pistols. I hope that more channels head toward this way of review rather than just speaking to people who own these handguns already and are looking for validation for what they bought. There a lot of first time buyers out there doing research on buying their first pistol, or looking to maybe move into a new brand of pistol, and this vid would be great for someone who is maybe looking at getting into either model of handguns. Excellent vid! Awesome Tee as well!
The decision was easy for me I got both 😈!
I got the 2.o performance center and the 19x love them both
Did you mention the stainless steel frame inbedded in the M&P frame? Don't get that out of square Glock frame flex that you have to straighten with a heat gun. M&P ALL DAY!
Straighten out with a heat gun?
Thanks Tim! Been eagerly awaiting this video. Great work
You sell out! Your clearly being sponsored by Star Wars! /joke Nice video btw, keep up the great work!
mattig89ch Right!!?? First Monster and now this! Mac, I'm soooooo disappointed. :(
Those STAR WARS shillz are everywhere( excuse me while I remove my t shirt and cap ).......:)
I just want to be in a Star Wars movie. :)
Military Arms Channel OK but you're gonna be a "red shirt".
Man, if people thought his support of Turkish arms was bad, wait til they get a load of the Imperial propaganda on his shirt.
Hey there MAC. Awesome video. Believe it or not, i bought a Gen4 G19 brand new about 4 years ago, give or take a bit. Guide rod broke in half in the gun with less than two hundred rounds through it. It really surprised me. Needless to say it was easy to replace, none the less it did happen. Ive sold all my Glocks and carry MP's, XD's now. Still a Glock fan, just cannot justify the price on Glocks.
Any chance of seeing the .45's? (30 vs 45C)
Dude, you're the best. Great comparison. I've been a Glock man forever...until now. Picked a an M&P 2.0 Compact. Put the flat face Apex trigger in. This is the best striker fired trigger on the market. Nothing else even comes close. Love this gun. Now I'm conflicted. So invested in Glock.
Smith & Wesson guns are made in the USA. Glocks are made in Austria. Smith & Wesson customer service is excellent if you ever need to send in a gun for repair. This can't be said for Glock. Buy the M&P.
Jim Morisson there are also Glocks that are made in USA
You lost me at repair......
Yep, made in the great state of Georgia!@@gutadin5
Most of Glocks on the U.S. market are made in USA
Your shirts are always on point!
"S&W makes either full size pistols or super compact pistols that are horribly unergonomic." - False, they have had three sizes of pistols and having worked in a gun shop, people almost always say the ergonomics are better on the M&P Shield vs any other of the single stack 9mm counterparts.
Also, the stumpy old compact M&P was not a direct competitor to the G19, but the G26. So to compare the two is not a fair comparison.
bigschank xds I better than the shield any day
Hey Tim. Great channel. Thanks. Ordered from FM twice. 1K ea. MAC discount is great. May the force be with you.
Try the medium large backstrap on the M&P and you will like the longer trigger reach. I dislike the Glock Gen 5 flared magwell and front grip cutout. Flared magwell is not needed and will make a CCW print more. The cutout is stupid and uncomfortable.
Yeah, the cutout is poorly executed and thought out.
{cough} bullshit {cough} THe flared magwell doesn;t "print more" by any means and that's still no excuse to choose the POS M&P...
I like that you apply common sense based on experience vs a battle of statistics without it. Experience, for those who have it, counts for more than comparing spreadsheets.
MAC, any possibility of a CZ P10c vs M&P 2.0 compact video? And if not, which would you choose between the 2?
I second this notion. I really respect Tim's opinion so I would really like to see a comparison video of p10c vs mp9 compact.
Problem with the P10c is that it's so big you might as well compare it to a G17 & M&P9 full size
I would go P10C all day long if I ever went back to a striker gun.
Military Arms Channel Kind of suspected that, just wanted to hear it from you. Thanks for the reply, I appreciate the work you put into all these videos!!
Maximus Joseppi I’ve been carrying a Glock 19 gen 4 for a few years and really like it, but I’ve been considering trying something else. I’ve leaned towards the P10c, mainly because of the superior trigger. Think that’s what I’ll go with.