Well done! Prior to waking up I was asked to talk to a "sister" who was looking at college. Pray more, more study, more meeting attendance says I. I must have done a bad job of it, as she left the organization anyway, And so did I! One of my proudest fails😁
@Agu663 Wikipedia says the JWs previously believed The Great Tribulation began in 1914. Are you proposing a new one? Will there be another new one after your new one?
I listen very, very attentive to your talk and I'm just realizing how badly I was emotionally abused as a child and all the answers are lining up for me why at my old age, I am on antidepressants and severely neurologicaly damaged person. 😏 thank you for talking about this topics which most of the time are sweeped under the rug.🙏
I sent my sister an email explaining why I left. I didn't send it to persuade her to leave, only to tell her why I left. She wrote me back and said, "I didn't read your letter. I'm not about to change my religion." The irony is, she is not actively involved with the organization. She attends the memorial once a year, that's it. I'm far more spiritually minded than she is. Yet, she doesn't want to hear anything that could make her change her mind about the organization. What was good enough for our parents is good enough for her. I can only imagine how a "spiritually strong individual in the organization" would react to receiving a letter. She was afraid to read it,
Wow, that’s so sad. How long were you a JW??? May I ask, what were some of the reasons that made you leave??? Do you and your sister still have a relationship??? Are you still religious🌿
@@leahjames6870 Yes, I absolutely believe in God, nothing has changed in that regard. I was born in. My parents studied the Bible when my mother was 6 months pregnant with me. I absolutely believed it was the truth. I based it on the 607-1914 BCE timeline. My father, who was an elder, and a master at explaining it totally convinced me, and then when one factored in 539 BCE as another way to prove the timeline, it seemed like concrete proof to me. I started to wake up slowly, around 2014, I would say. The first red-flag was the Guardian, when they exposed the organization as being an NGO member. Which was shocking enough, but when the organization quickly dropped their membership after being outed, it was further proof that something was wrong. The biggy was finding out that 607 BCE is incorrect because you can't arrive at 1914 without it. The organization's history was another factor. False predictions, 1914, 1925, 1975. There were other factors too, but the coup de grace for me was the overlapping generations concept. I remember thinking "You've got to be kidding me." It isn't Biblical, it made no sense, but it bought the organization an infinite amount of time in terms the arrival of Armageddon. I remember thinking "Wow, this could go on indefinitely. They can't be held accountable for 1914 anymore." Also the organization says that Jesus is not our mediator, the GB is. But what does the Bible teach? "5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus" I will sum it up this way. I still believe in God in spite of religion. I feel the organization has some redeeming qualities. I personally like their Bible based feature films, their classical music, and their artists are phenomenal. They try and live moral lives. I feel they do teach truth but they aren't the complete truth. I don't have animosity toward the organization but I'm a little conflicted. On one hand, I'm grateful for the Biblical knowledge, on the other, we didn't have the luxury of deciding our own lives. They were mapped out for us. Many of us lost out on being who we wanted to be, but I've come to the conclusion, for me, I'd still rather have the Biblical knowledge than not. If I had turned to atheism I would no doubt feel very cheated. So I can understand how ex-JW Atheists might feel. As far as my sister and I go, we are estranged but it has Nothing to do with me being out of the religion. She would still speak to me if that was the only issue between us. I'm certain my parents would still speak to me too. I lost my father two years before I woke up, (hospital error) but looking back on it, I think he was having some doubts too. He read the Bible non-stop for the last ten years of his life. He veered away from the literature. He made a couple of comments that gave me the impression he wasn't 100% onboard with JW interpretation of scripture on at least one point. I feel bad for those like Beth who are shunned. I never experienced shunning. I just faded and it was easy. The pain was in waking up because I really did believe in it. I can't imagine being shunned on top of it. I hope I answered your questions, Leah:-)
@@greyberet1 I made an announcement at the top of the letter that I was going to give her reasons as to why I was leaving. I didn't want her to think I was walking away from God. I wasn't. I guess she read that much of it and decided she didn't want to know my reasons. My guess is out of fear. She didn't want to have to face what she might discover. I even told her I wasn't trying to persuade her to leave. I just wanted her to know where I was coming from, and to reassure her that I still believed.
I talked to my disfellowshiped mom, the elders didn't want me to talk to her. I didn't listen to them. They made me do the mics forever, but never got to be an MS. Your family could talk you, they wont so they dont lose their "privileges."
Thank you for this Video. It’s one thing to habe your whole family shunning you, but setting up a whole essay which then is completely dismissed just worsens the trauma in my Opinion. One has to accept that people are who they are, and not the potential we saw in them.
I chose freedom. I chose to get out and my entire JW family and friend group, people I’d known since I was a very young child, every single one shunned me. I was completely alone, but I’d do it all over again for the chance to really live and make my own way. It certainly hasn’t been easy but 10 years later, I have a home, stable job, in college, have my son and an absolutely wonderful and encouraging partner. It’s not easy but it can be done. Anyone who’s wondering if it’s worth it. It is. It’s scary but you learn so much about yourself. ❤
*Out of topic: If Watchtower doesn’t want their people to explore internet that can expose them to “apostate” materials, why do they encourage JWs to use the gadgets for their theocratic activities instead of using their hard-copy books and magazines? There would be a major risk for them to find out about the lies if they have all these gadgets on their hand, ain’t it?*
Anyone who doesn’t see the contradictions in wt’s way of doing things may be under the illusion that the wt, a manmade and administered by men corporation, is intelligently run 😂… Just saying.
It's because the cat's out of the bag. WT heavily demonized the Internet in its early days, telling JWs not to use it (I know, I was a JW then and remember it clearly). Now there's no way they can prevent people from using it so they're trying to save money by using it themselves and the ubiquitous devices rather than printing so much literature. It's just like the hypocrisy of them decrying televangelists only to become televangelists themselves with JW Broadcast.
@ASMR And that's a beautiful thing. I never was a JW but got shunned by my best friends when I wouldn't join the WT. I was where you are... wait, they can use computers? Surely, they'll see the light. Nope! Not a chance 😂
@@lmb1962 That’s because the approach of using logic to deal with what amounts more to emotional conditioning can never succeed… That’s analogous to the situation of two persons trying to communicate in vastly different languages 😂… Just saying.
Good point. It’s a tight rope for WT. They know they have to embrace technology, but they have to regularly remind believers not to tolerate apostate ideas. Newer generations of born ins seem to have less and less fear about looking. The really sad part is the number of witnesses leaving and becoming agnostic or atheist. WT deceived us, but they did introduce us to God and to a lesser extent, Christ.
I faded a few years ago, fortunately I still have full contact with my jdub family members, though we don't discuss anything JW. Congregation members on the other hand, including elders, I haven't heard from them since the day I left. At the time, I was one of only two servants in the cong.
They will test you to see if you are looking up apostate material. You will be out in the car group going from door to door and one of the elders will suddenly bring up some kind of apostate topic and see if you tune in as if you already know about it. I didn't know it at the time, but that's what they did to me and I had never even read any apostate literature, and TH-cam wasn't a thing at the time. A while later I left the religion but it took me years later to realize that they had been testing me.
Good morning sister in Christ. Great video and great advice. Keep up the fine work. Your reward shall be great. By the way, you look and are a very beautiful woman. Say hello to Jonn. Many blessings to you and family from The Father Jehovah and Son Jesus Christ. Ismael, Kingdom Christian Witness of Jah from sunny 🌞 Puerto Rico.
I did the same thing as a PIMO but thought twice. I brought up Norway and my mother (baptized in 1963) and immediately went into the disinformation line. I was close to telling my dad about my feelings because he came out and said he didn't believe in the resurrection and only got baptized to get the Elders off his back as a kid. He seems like (although inactive and not commenting) that he's somewhat on board. He was trying to probe for information last time i saw him. I decided not to say anything to him because even if he still has those feelings, he's always been a "do as i say, not as i do" individual. I wouldn't put it past him if he told my mother word for word what I would say, and then she'd call everyone she knows.
I was brought up in the JW faith when I was 11 in 1971, and at 16, I was kicked out of my family home by my father. I have tried studying on and off over the decades, but I have found it a challenge because I find it difficult to adhere to the standards, and when I have committed a "sin" racked with guilt and finding it difficult to pray afterword and then later do exactly that only to later sin and go through the same guilt much like going through a revolving door of sin, guilt and struggle to live by those bible standards and so finally last year, I walked away and just get on with my life. I have disassociated myself from the faith, and despite mixed feelings and some guilt, I hope to psychologically break free, too. Luckily, I have no one to deal with like friends and family, so I just enjoy my life.
It's so true. Many times, when talking to JWs who stopped attending meetings, I would mention how Jesus chose the faithful slave in 1919, but the slave only figured it out in 1935, but somehow had been running the show anyway. The next day, you get a call from an Elder. You politely inform him you got confused between the old light and the new light as they look exactly the same.
“Keep immersing yourself in the very thing that’s making you sick”, WOW, WOW, WOW!!! This is sooo how I feel and have felt right now in my faith. I wasn’t raised a JW, but in a holiness church, and it’s amazing to me, how I hear other people’s religious experiences, even one’s who weren’t Christian and it’s all the same. You aren’t getting any results, so YOU must do more and more and more. Do you ever reach the finish line?!? Is everything always YOUR fault?!? Will your mind ever settle and stop this internal fight?!? Aaaaaggggghhhhh, I HATE IT🤕🤕🤕 But I also want to say, I REALLY enjoy your channel. You jump right into the point, very stern and straightforward. I learn a lot. Your channel can really help people who are not only struggling with JW, but just religion period. You offer great advice in how to move during such a turbulent time in your life. Thank you sooo much🌿🌿🌿
One thing that we do know is that every human reaches their finish line in 100 years….often times less. It is in this one life that we can find God through Christ. When we do that, we find the real life.
@@ckelly5141 Why do we have to “find God”??? Is he hiding from us??? What about the people who are searching for him and never find him??? What about the people who feel like their life is WORSE with Christ???
It's a good idea to speak to outside family of things instead of ones still apart of the organization. It's also a good idea to speak to a close friend that don't know family or ones of the JW's . They can be ones that can be there for you and guide you down the path want to with encouraging you during the process. I did and help to lead the way for me with the support while I doing so but I didn't tell family until I felt more comfortable to do so
When a member is having doubts, there's no open discussion at all, no "why do you feel that way? I'm all ears", no - you just have not been praying enough, have not been reading the publications enough, are not preparing yourself before the meetings, etc. I remember kids my age range starting to rebel and were clearly PIMO, but the parents would just tighten their grip even further; elders also like to blame the parents when their child is showing signs of fading away. Spot on regarding the tech part - for a JW kid, it is preferable for your parents to walk in on you watching porn than being caught reading/watching EX-JW material.
Another thing about telling worldly family, is that, because they don't understand the gravity, they can innocently mention something to the fully indoctrinated family members and accidentally cause a s**t storm before you're ready to make your next move!
I RAN AROUND TOMD EVERYONE WHAT IVE LEARNED .EVERYONE STARTED STAYING AWAY FROM MEE!! THEY EVEN STARTED SOTTING ME NEXT TO TWO MINISTERIAL SERVANTS !!SMH LIKE THEY WERE TWO SECURITY GUARDS LITERALLY
Hi Bethany. I'm not JW with two questions. (1) What advice do JW leaders give to JW members who want to help their JW friend who is questioning one or more JW policies and practices? Do leaders urge active/participating JW members to befriend, socialize with, and encourage the friend to hang on, to stay with Jehovah, or do leaders tell the active JW members to immediately create distance with strugglers to not become infected by their struggles? And (2), when JW leaders change direction on a long-standing JW policy, do leaders say they were "wrong under the prior policy" or do they say that God changed His mind and not His JW leaders. ? Bethany, I'm comparing the different ways that various top-ranking religious leaders redirect their churches toward a new policy and why they redirect. As a rule of thumb, those leaders are the Face and Voice to church members while the church's attorneys are the unseen leaders of each church and many of the policy changes; and wonder if you arrive at a similar conclusion with JWs and Watchtower.
Reminds me of the buybull verses in which jesus is saying: whoever loses family, friends, whatever for my sake will get many more (in the cult, of course) and everlasting life, in the new world, etc. 😂… Or words to that effect… That’s what the jws are so fond of saying… I’ve heard it all… Just saying.
@@sleepycat8887 We know what geyberet meant. Bethany's topic is not "Spelling", it's "Avoiding Rookie Mistakes". Spelling mistakes don't matter one bit.
Bethany is there any way that I can talk to you in private via email or something? I have a difficult situation with a Jehova Witness at work and would like to consult you and Jon about how to proceed with the situation (he is my boss)
If you can convert this secret god to public if you know about it. There really really are no secret gods. If you guys read the holy bible first before heading here there will be no reason for anyone to be scared or freak out. Always remember a Jesus Christ family is a G L O R I F I E D family!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This very angry woman is deceiving you! She claims she talks to lots of dissatisfied Jehovah's Witnesses, which is a wild exaggeration! The Bible says that Satan and a third of all the Angels were dissatisfied with Jehovah God.. revelation 12:4.. the apostles Judas was dissatisfied with Jesus Christ, and turned against him, this angry woman is following their footsteps. She is described in 2nd Timothy 3:1-5
Funny that the JWs should talk about The Bible. The JWs don't use The Bible. They use The New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures, which is a book that they modified from The Bible to support their own doctrine. They modified it to remove the evidence that Jesus is God, that the Holy Spirit is a person, and that the Holy Spirit is also God. They inserted wording to make it sound like Jesus was a created being. Also, I see what you're doing here. You're implying that if a Jehovah's Witness is dissatisfied, he/she must be following in the footsteps of Satan. I submit that if a Jehovah's Witness is dissatisfied, it may be because the Governing Body has been lying to them non-stop from the time they were brought into the fold.
@jeffnoble9757 I feel that while this information has upset you, you have strong faith, and you are entitled to have your own views, so to are others. I would like you to remember Mathew 7: 21,-23 "Not everyone saying to me, 'Lord, Lord' will enter into the Kingdom of the heavens... And then I will declear to them "I never knew you! Get away from me you workers of lawlessness" All abuse allegations the Watchtower Society has deliberately withheld and refused to hand over to the Supreme court, (not law - abiding acts) shows Satan is already operating within the organisation. They refuse to see it or dont want to acknowledge their wrong doings. Keep ignoring the truth. It will not set you free.
@ I have a question or two. First, are you referring to me or to @jeffnoble9757 when you say someone is delusional? If you are referring to me, then (second), please tell me what I have said that marks me as being delusional. Simply claiming that someone is delusional without explaining why isn't very helpful.
This woman isn't very angry. Which means you're a liar! If you have to lie to defend your religion then it clearly can't be the truth. You have resorted to the use of propaganda instead of actually addressing her points. Surely this is evidence that you're on the wrong side. Your empty, propagandistic, non-rebuttal to her actual points is the typical way that cult members respond to criticism of their cult because they can't actually honestly deny the truthfulness of the criticisms labelled against them, so they instead resort to propagandistic responses attacking the critic instead of actually addressing their points.
Great seeing you. Great practical advice. Great you are making this REAL. Someone needs to talk about the reality. THANK YOU!! Okay. I'm trying to reach you. Here's the basics. Plato and Xenophon added 56 fake years to the Greek timeline to help the Persians cover their claim that Xerxes and Artaxerxes were father and son. But in fact, Xerxes and Artaxerxes were the same king!! Great. Xerxes' invasion was pushed back from 424 BCE to 480 BCE. That's where it is right now. It hasn't been corrected!! This revised timeline has remained the official timeline for some reason. But essentially, when the timeline is corrected, 424 BCE dates Xerxes' invasion and 10 years earlier dates the Battle of Marathon to 434 BCE. No problem dating the death of Darius I at Marathon, in which case, this is also the year the temple at Jerusalem was completed in his 6th year, 21 years after the work began upon the return from Babylon. If this is actually true, then we need only add 21 years to 434 BCE to find out the actual year the Jews returned from Babylon. 434+21+455 455 BCE. Okay. No big surprise the year of the return begins in 455 BCE, the year that begins the "70 weeks" prophecy. Of note, of all the dates the WTS got wrong, 455 BCE is the correct year for the beginning of the 70 weeks that end in 36 CE!! So correcting the Greek timeline allows us to harmonize secular history with Biblical history. Of note, this has come up before, but not fully understood. In 1913, Martin Anstey in his "Romance of Bible Chronology" insisted that the Persian Period was 82 years too long! He had inadvertently discovered the expansion of the Greek Period, but didn't fully understand it, but it was based on the "70 weeks" prophecy needing to begin in 455 BCE! The revised date for the return ended up being in 537 BCE!! If you add 82 to 455 you get 537 BCE, So 537 BCE is some 82 years too early! It's a false date. it's the date the fall of Jerusalem in 586 BCE is based! But it is also the date used by JWs to come up with 607 BCE. They dd 70 to 537 to get 607 BCE. They then claim this was the year Jerusalem fell in year 18 of Nebuchadnezzar, and then date the Second Coming in 1914. But, in reality, the true date for the return occurred in 455 BCE. The 70-year exile began in 525 BCE. The 70-year exile began at the time of the last deportation in year 23 of Nebuchadnezzar (Jer. 52:30). Jerusalem fell in year 19 of Nebuchadnezzar, which is 4 years earlier and thus in (525+4=) 529 BCE. 529 BCE IS THE TRUE YEAR JERUSALEM FELL! We now have the opportunity to correct the timeline. Simple. Anstey was right. JWs were right as well to begin the "70 weeks" prophecy in 455 BCE, only it should date the 1st of Cyrus and not the 20th of Artaxerxes! There you have it. You know it all. Bottom line, JWs will have to date the Second Coming in 1992 instead of 1914. This book provides the academic information to correct the ancient timeline. if you just want to correct the ancient timeline, you only need to date the return in 455 BCE. It will agree with the Bible's timeline. But if you want to know more FACTS and information and see how the original timeline is directly supported by archaeology and Low Chronology, you need only obtain this book to begin your studies!! But if you are still using the popular dates for the Neo Babylonian Period, you are nothing more than a false prophet now. The original timeline needs to be added to your consciousness! Here's the book you need to read: a.co/d/0Fl6xMs Have a nice day. I'm trying to get your attention. This is part of TRUTH.
Well done!
Prior to waking up I was asked to talk to a "sister" who was looking at college. Pray more, more study, more meeting attendance says I. I must have done a bad job of it, as she left the organization anyway, And so did I! One of my proudest fails😁
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You failed upwards. 😂
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Congratulations, a failure of which to be proud 😆!
Glad that all of that is behind me.
Too late lol. I've only confided in elders and some good friends and guess what? You're absolutely right. They're already shunning me😂😂😂
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One time I spoke openly about my concerns about the CSA and I was also soft shunned🤣🤣
I'm sure one of the arguments is, "Don't leave now, the world is about to end." 😮 😢
To which I would like to reply, in the words of the band REM, "It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine."
The 3.5 year Great Tribulation will begin in March 2027. Want to see the chronology connected to a recent event?
@Agu663 Wikipedia says the JWs previously believed The Great Tribulation began in 1914.
Are you proposing a new one? Will there be another new one after your new one?
I listen very, very attentive to your talk and I'm just realizing how badly I was emotionally abused as a child and all the answers are lining up for me why at my old age, I am on antidepressants and severely neurologicaly damaged person. 😏 thank you for talking about this topics which most of the time are sweeped under the rug.🙏
It’s narcissistic abuse at its best.
Great information here, Bethany! Wishing I heard this 23 years ago! But anyway, here I am, cult free and filled with joy in my new life!💖💖💖💖💖💖💖💖💖💖💖💖
Facts!!! They will 100% choose the cult over you
I was raised a JW and always labeled a black sheep. Thank you your doing a great job
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Isaiah 8:10, 2Timothy 3:8-9.
I get so excited when u have a new video 😊
I sent my sister an email explaining why I left. I didn't send it to persuade her to leave, only to tell her why I left. She wrote me back and said, "I didn't read your letter. I'm not about to change my religion." The irony is, she is not actively involved with the organization. She attends the memorial once a year, that's it. I'm far more spiritually minded than she is. Yet, she doesn't want to hear anything that could make her change her mind about the organization. What was good enough for our parents is good enough for her. I can only imagine how a "spiritually strong individual in the organization" would react to receiving a letter. She was afraid to read it,
Wow, that’s so sad. How long were you a JW??? May I ask, what were some of the reasons that made you leave??? Do you and your sister still have a relationship??? Are you still religious🌿
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I’m just a little puzzled, if your sister didn’t open the letter and didn’t read it, how did she know the nature of the contents…
@@leahjames6870 Yes, I absolutely believe in God, nothing has changed in that regard. I was born in. My parents studied the Bible when my mother was 6 months pregnant with me. I absolutely believed it was the truth. I based it on the 607-1914 BCE timeline. My father, who was an elder, and a master at explaining it totally convinced me, and then when one factored in 539 BCE as another way to prove the timeline, it seemed like concrete proof to me. I started to wake up slowly, around 2014, I would say. The first red-flag was the Guardian, when they exposed the organization as being an NGO member. Which was shocking enough, but when the organization quickly dropped their membership after being outed, it was further proof that something was wrong. The biggy was finding out that 607 BCE is incorrect because you can't arrive at 1914 without it. The organization's history was another factor. False predictions, 1914, 1925, 1975. There were other factors too, but the coup de grace for me was the overlapping generations concept. I remember thinking "You've got to be kidding me." It isn't Biblical, it made no sense, but it bought the organization an infinite amount of time in terms the arrival of Armageddon. I remember thinking "Wow, this could go on indefinitely. They can't be held accountable for 1914 anymore." Also the organization says that Jesus is not our mediator, the GB is. But what does the Bible teach? "5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus"
I will sum it up this way. I still believe in God in spite of religion. I feel the organization has some redeeming qualities. I personally like their Bible based feature films, their classical music, and their artists are phenomenal. They try and live moral lives. I feel they do teach truth but they aren't the complete truth. I don't have animosity toward the organization but I'm a little conflicted. On one hand, I'm grateful for the Biblical knowledge, on the other, we didn't have the luxury of deciding our own lives. They were mapped out for us. Many of us lost out on being who we wanted to be, but I've come to the conclusion, for me, I'd still rather have the Biblical knowledge than not. If I had turned to atheism I would no doubt feel very cheated. So I can understand how ex-JW Atheists might feel. As far as my sister and I go, we are estranged but it has Nothing to do with me being out of the religion. She would still speak to me if that was the only issue between us. I'm certain my parents would still speak to me too. I lost my father two years before I woke up, (hospital error) but looking back on it, I think he was having some doubts too. He read the Bible non-stop for the last ten years of his life. He veered away from the literature. He made a couple of comments that gave me the impression he wasn't 100% onboard with JW interpretation of scripture on at least one point. I feel bad for those like Beth who are shunned. I never experienced shunning. I just faded and it was easy. The pain was in waking up because I really did believe in it. I can't imagine being shunned on top of it. I hope I answered your questions, Leah:-)
@@greyberet1 I made an announcement at the top of the letter that I was going to give her reasons as to why I was leaving. I didn't want her to think I was walking away from God. I wasn't. I guess she read that much of it and decided she didn't want to know my reasons. My guess is out of fear. She didn't want to have to face what she might discover. I even told her I wasn't trying to persuade her to leave. I just wanted her to know where I was coming from, and to reassure her that I still believed.
@ I answered you Leah but my comment has been deleted. I put a lot of effort into it too. I'm sorry.
I talked to my disfellowshiped mom, the elders didn't want me to talk to her. I didn't listen to them. They made me do the mics forever, but never got to be an MS. Your family could talk you, they wont so they dont lose their "privileges."
Excellent advice! You are so right! Brilliant! Please listen to this lady...
Thank you for this Video. It’s one thing to habe your whole family shunning you, but setting up a whole essay which then is completely dismissed just worsens the trauma in my Opinion. One has to accept that people are who they are, and not the potential we saw in them.
I finally know what PIMO means!!! Thank you 🙏🏼
Yup. That was me for a while.
I chose freedom. I chose to get out and my entire JW family and friend group, people I’d known since I was a very young child, every single one shunned me. I was completely alone, but I’d do it all over again for the chance to really live and make my own way. It certainly hasn’t been easy but 10 years later, I have a home, stable job, in college, have my son and an absolutely wonderful and encouraging partner. It’s not easy but it can be done. Anyone who’s wondering if it’s worth it. It is. It’s scary but you learn so much about yourself. ❤
Thank you Bethany for this informative video. You are a refreshing voice that I know will continue to help people loosen the cult’s grip on them
*Out of topic: If Watchtower doesn’t want their people to explore internet that can expose them to “apostate” materials, why do they encourage JWs to use the gadgets for their theocratic activities instead of using their hard-copy books and magazines? There would be a major risk for them to find out about the lies if they have all these gadgets on their hand, ain’t it?*
Anyone who doesn’t see the contradictions in wt’s way of doing things may be under the illusion that the wt, a manmade and administered by men corporation, is intelligently run 😂…
Just saying.
It's because the cat's out of the bag. WT heavily demonized the Internet in its early days, telling JWs not to use it (I know, I was a JW then and remember it clearly). Now there's no way they can prevent people from using it so they're trying to save money by using it themselves and the ubiquitous devices rather than printing so much literature. It's just like the hypocrisy of them decrying televangelists only to become televangelists themselves with JW Broadcast.
@ASMR And that's a beautiful thing. I never was a JW but got shunned by my best friends when I wouldn't join the WT. I was where you are... wait, they can use computers? Surely, they'll see the light. Nope! Not a chance 😂
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That’s because the approach of using logic to deal with what amounts more to emotional conditioning can never succeed…
That’s analogous to the situation of two persons trying to communicate in vastly different languages 😂…
Just saying.
Good point. It’s a tight rope for WT. They know they have to embrace technology, but they have to regularly remind believers not to tolerate apostate ideas. Newer generations of born ins seem to have less and less fear about looking. The really sad part is the number of witnesses leaving and becoming agnostic or atheist. WT deceived us, but they did introduce us to God and to a lesser extent, Christ.
I faded a few years ago, fortunately I still have full contact with my jdub family members, though we don't discuss anything JW. Congregation members on the other hand, including elders, I haven't heard from them since the day I left. At the time, I was one of only two servants in the cong.
That organization encourages some fucked up shit when it comes to family relationship
Criminal isn’t it
They will test you to see if you are looking up apostate material.
You will be out in the car group going from door to door and one of the elders will suddenly bring up some kind of apostate topic and see if you tune in as if you already know about it.
I didn't know it at the time, but that's what they did to me and I had never even read any apostate literature, and TH-cam wasn't a thing at the time. A while later I left the religion but it took me years later to realize that they had been testing me.
Good morning sister in Christ. Great video and great advice. Keep up the fine work. Your reward shall be great. By the way, you look and are a very beautiful woman. Say hello to Jonn. Many blessings to you and family from The Father Jehovah and Son Jesus Christ. Ismael, Kingdom Christian Witness of Jah from sunny 🌞 Puerto Rico.
I did the same thing as a PIMO but thought twice. I brought up Norway and my mother (baptized in 1963) and immediately went into the disinformation line.
I was close to telling my dad about my feelings because he came out and said he didn't believe in the resurrection and only got baptized to get the Elders off his back as a kid. He seems like (although inactive and not commenting) that he's somewhat on board.
He was trying to probe for information last time i saw him. I decided not to say anything to him because even if he still has those feelings, he's always been a "do as i say, not as i do" individual. I wouldn't put it past him if he told my mother word for word what I would say, and then she'd call everyone she knows.
I was brought up in the JW faith when I was 11 in 1971, and at 16, I was kicked out of my family home by my father. I have tried studying on and off over the decades, but I have found it a challenge because I find it difficult to adhere to the standards, and when I have committed a "sin" racked with guilt and finding it difficult to pray afterword and then later do exactly that only to later sin and go through the same guilt much like going through a revolving door of sin, guilt and struggle to live by those bible standards and so finally last year, I walked away and just get on with my life. I have disassociated myself from the faith, and despite mixed feelings and some guilt, I hope to psychologically break free, too. Luckily, I have no one to deal with like friends and family, so I just enjoy my life.
@WayneScott -w7z Narcissistic abuse is hard to deal with . I’d try Theramintrees on TH-cam, he’s very helpful
It's so true. Many times, when talking to JWs who stopped attending meetings, I would mention how Jesus chose the faithful slave in 1919, but the slave only figured it out in 1935, but somehow had been running the show anyway. The next day, you get a call from an Elder. You politely inform him you got confused between the old light and the new light as they look exactly the same.
“Keep immersing yourself in the very thing that’s making you sick”, WOW, WOW, WOW!!! This is sooo how I feel and have felt right now in my faith. I wasn’t raised a JW, but in a holiness church, and it’s amazing to me, how I hear other people’s religious experiences, even one’s who weren’t Christian and it’s all the same. You aren’t getting any results, so YOU must do more and more and more. Do you ever reach the finish line?!? Is everything always YOUR fault?!? Will your mind ever settle and stop this internal fight?!? Aaaaaggggghhhhh, I HATE IT🤕🤕🤕
But I also want to say, I REALLY enjoy your channel. You jump right into the point, very stern and straightforward. I learn a lot. Your channel can really help people who are not only struggling with JW, but just religion period. You offer great advice in how to move during such a turbulent time in your life. Thank you sooo much🌿🌿🌿
One thing that we do know is that every human reaches their finish line in 100 years….often times less. It is in this one life that we can find God through Christ. When we do that, we find the real life.
@@ckelly5141 Why do we have to “find God”??? Is he hiding from us??? What about the people who are searching for him and never find him??? What about the people who feel like their life is WORSE with Christ???
Great advice! Thanks.
It's a good idea to speak to outside family of things instead of ones still apart of the organization. It's also a good idea to speak to a close friend that don't know family or ones of the JW's . They can be ones that can be there for you and guide you down the path want to with encouraging you during the process. I did and help to lead the way for me with the support while I doing so but I didn't tell family until I felt more comfortable to do so
I love your channel. I have subscribed to it. You "say it like it is".
I mistakenly did that to my parents, as at the end my mom started calling me an APOSTATE!
Well said . More meetings, more pray more this more that. More indoctrination..sad.. wish I had faded… I got df.. I will never go back ..
I woke up my cousin and she and I are working on my brother. However, none if us have been to a meeting in years
Smart.
I've been shunned for almost 4 years now. I'm ok with that. I found out who my friends are. They are brainwashed and I am free.
When a member is having doubts, there's no open discussion at all, no "why do you feel that way? I'm all ears", no - you just have not been praying enough, have not been reading the publications enough, are not preparing yourself before the meetings, etc. I remember kids my age range starting to rebel and were clearly PIMO, but the parents would just tighten their grip even further; elders also like to blame the parents when their child is showing signs of fading away.
Spot on regarding the tech part - for a JW kid, it is preferable for your parents to walk in on you watching porn than being caught reading/watching EX-JW material.
Good advice
Yup
Another thing about telling worldly family, is that, because they don't understand the gravity, they can innocently mention something to the fully indoctrinated family members and accidentally cause a s**t storm before you're ready to make your next move!
Great advice.
They will be done
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I RAN AROUND TOMD EVERYONE WHAT IVE LEARNED .EVERYONE STARTED STAYING AWAY FROM MEE!! THEY EVEN STARTED SOTTING ME NEXT TO TWO MINISTERIAL SERVANTS !!SMH LIKE THEY WERE TWO SECURITY GUARDS LITERALLY
Hi Bethany. I'm not JW with two questions. (1) What advice do JW leaders give to JW members who want to help their JW friend who is questioning one or more JW policies and practices? Do leaders urge active/participating JW members to befriend, socialize with, and encourage the friend to hang on, to stay with Jehovah, or do leaders tell the active JW members to immediately create distance with strugglers to not become infected by their struggles? And (2), when JW leaders change direction on a long-standing JW policy, do leaders say they were "wrong under the prior policy" or do they say that God changed His mind and not His JW leaders. ?
Bethany, I'm comparing the different ways that various top-ranking religious leaders redirect their churches toward a new policy and why they redirect. As a rule of thumb, those leaders are the Face and Voice to church members while the church's attorneys are the unseen leaders of each church and many of the policy changes; and wonder if you arrive at a similar conclusion with JWs and Watchtower.
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Reminds me of the buybull verses in which jesus is saying: whoever loses family, friends, whatever for my sake will get many more (in the cult, of course) and everlasting life, in the new world, etc. 😂…
Or words to that effect…
That’s what the jws are so fond of saying…
I’ve heard it all…
Just saying.
@@sleepycat8887 We know what geyberet meant. Bethany's topic is not "Spelling", it's "Avoiding Rookie Mistakes". Spelling mistakes don't matter one bit.
Bethany is there any way that I can talk to you in private via email or something? I have a difficult situation with a Jehova Witness at work and would like to consult you and Jon about how to proceed with the situation (he is my boss)
Don’t say anything until you have a new job
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If you can convert this secret god to public if you know about it. There really really are no secret gods. If you guys read the holy bible first before heading here there will be no reason for anyone to be scared or freak out. Always remember a Jesus Christ family is a G L O R I F I E D family!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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This very angry woman is deceiving you! She claims she talks to lots of dissatisfied Jehovah's Witnesses, which is a wild exaggeration! The Bible says that Satan and a third of all the Angels were dissatisfied with Jehovah God.. revelation 12:4.. the apostles Judas was dissatisfied with Jesus Christ, and turned against him, this angry woman is following their footsteps. She is described in 2nd Timothy 3:1-5
Funny that the JWs should talk about The Bible. The JWs don't use The Bible. They use The New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures, which is a book that they modified from The Bible to support their own doctrine. They modified it to remove the evidence that Jesus is God, that the Holy Spirit is a person, and that the Holy Spirit is also God. They inserted wording to make it sound like Jesus was a created being. Also, I see what you're doing here. You're implying that if a Jehovah's Witness is dissatisfied, he/she must be following in the footsteps of Satan. I submit that if a Jehovah's Witness is dissatisfied, it may be because the Governing Body has been lying to them non-stop from the time they were brought into the fold.
you are the delusional one😂
@jeffnoble9757 I feel that while this information has upset you, you have strong faith, and you are entitled to have your own views, so to are others.
I would like you to remember Mathew 7: 21,-23 "Not everyone saying to me, 'Lord, Lord' will enter into the Kingdom of the heavens... And then I will declear to them "I never knew you! Get away from me you workers of lawlessness" All abuse allegations the Watchtower Society has deliberately withheld and refused to hand over to the Supreme court, (not law - abiding acts) shows Satan is already operating within the organisation. They refuse to see it or dont want to acknowledge their wrong doings.
Keep ignoring the truth. It will not set you free.
@ I have a question or two. First, are you referring to me or to @jeffnoble9757 when you say someone is delusional? If you are referring to me, then (second), please tell me what I have said that marks me as being delusional. Simply claiming that someone is delusional without explaining why isn't very helpful.
This woman isn't very angry. Which means you're a liar! If you have to lie to defend your religion then it clearly can't be the truth. You have resorted to the use of propaganda instead of actually addressing her points. Surely this is evidence that you're on the wrong side. Your empty, propagandistic, non-rebuttal to her actual points is the typical way that cult members respond to criticism of their cult because they can't actually honestly deny the truthfulness of the criticisms labelled against them, so they instead resort to propagandistic responses attacking the critic instead of actually addressing their points.
Great seeing you. Great practical advice. Great you are making this REAL. Someone needs to talk about the reality. THANK YOU!!
Okay. I'm trying to reach you. Here's the basics. Plato and Xenophon added 56 fake years to the Greek timeline to help the Persians cover their claim that Xerxes and Artaxerxes were father and son. But in fact, Xerxes and Artaxerxes were the same king!! Great. Xerxes' invasion was pushed back from 424 BCE to 480 BCE. That's where it is right now. It hasn't been corrected!! This revised timeline has remained the official timeline for some reason. But essentially, when the timeline is corrected, 424 BCE dates Xerxes' invasion and 10 years earlier dates the Battle of Marathon to 434 BCE. No problem dating the death of Darius I at Marathon, in which case, this is also the year the temple at Jerusalem was completed in his 6th year, 21 years after the work began upon the return from Babylon. If this is actually true, then we need only add 21 years to 434 BCE to find out the actual year the Jews returned from Babylon. 434+21+455 455 BCE. Okay.
No big surprise the year of the return begins in 455 BCE, the year that begins the "70 weeks" prophecy. Of note, of all the dates the WTS got wrong, 455 BCE is the correct year for the beginning of the 70 weeks that end in 36 CE!! So correcting the Greek timeline allows us to harmonize secular history with Biblical history. Of note, this has come up before, but not fully understood. In 1913, Martin Anstey in his "Romance of Bible Chronology" insisted that the Persian Period was 82 years too long! He had inadvertently discovered the expansion of the Greek Period, but didn't fully understand it, but it was based on the "70 weeks" prophecy needing to begin in 455 BCE!
The revised date for the return ended up being in 537 BCE!! If you add 82 to 455 you get 537 BCE, So 537 BCE is some 82 years too early! It's a false date. it's the date the fall of Jerusalem in 586 BCE is based! But it is also the date used by JWs to come up with 607 BCE. They dd 70 to 537 to get 607 BCE. They then claim this was the year Jerusalem fell in year 18 of Nebuchadnezzar, and then date the Second Coming in 1914. But, in reality, the true date for the return occurred in 455 BCE. The 70-year exile began in 525 BCE. The 70-year exile began at the time of the last deportation in year 23 of Nebuchadnezzar (Jer. 52:30). Jerusalem fell in year 19 of Nebuchadnezzar, which is 4 years earlier and thus in (525+4=) 529 BCE. 529 BCE IS THE TRUE YEAR JERUSALEM FELL!
We now have the opportunity to correct the timeline. Simple. Anstey was right. JWs were right as well to begin the "70 weeks" prophecy in 455 BCE, only it should date the 1st of Cyrus and not the 20th of Artaxerxes! There you have it. You know it all. Bottom line, JWs will have to date the Second Coming in 1992 instead of 1914. This book provides the academic information to correct the ancient timeline.
if you just want to correct the ancient timeline, you only need to date the return in 455 BCE. It will agree with the Bible's timeline. But if you want to know more FACTS and information and see how the original timeline is directly supported by archaeology and Low Chronology, you need only obtain this book to begin your studies!! But if you are still using the popular dates for the Neo Babylonian Period, you are nothing more than a false prophet now. The original timeline needs to be added to your consciousness! Here's the book you need to read:
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Have a nice day. I'm trying to get your attention. This is part of TRUTH.
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