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Wait how can you be so off dog people have been using this gun nonstop in every mode and they aren't going to stop using it its the best 140 HC in the game
Cantata can roll with eye of the storm and opening shot or moving target. You can focus at gunsmith too, plus it has flinch resistance after relaoding. I use Hawkmoon and Sturm alot, trying out Luna's it felt really weird to use but I got a god roll. If I can't get used to Luna I'm going to try to focus an opening shot Cantata to pair with my new Conditional Finality I just got. I wish Luna's just had the regular 140 recoil cause it's got great perks.
It would be great to have I have farmed for 4 days 68 Rolls No HC/Incandescent But if I see another slideshot/harmony one I am going to Kermit suicide I had 3 drop. In. A. Row.
@@Underscore_MikeIt’s not just the recoil direction, though. It’s the speed of the animation. The recoil animation looks like it’s finished long before the gun is ready to fire again.
@@NevinDouglas82 that’s fine for me, most people’s complaint with the gun is it obscures your vision of the target while shooting, allowing a split second to adjust is pretty necessary imo.
Honestly your description for how 180s feel is 100% how I feel. I feel like I'm so precise and still missing shots like there's less bullet magnetism. Then you put on a 140 or a 120 and shots just land, as if they have a bigger hitbox or leniency. Not to mention when I miss with a 180, it "feels" like its harder to get back on target, due to the recoil and the "feel" of less magnetism. You often overcorrect in an attempt to get back on target and keep missing. It "feels" more punishing than the natural bounce of a 140 or the more deliberate kick of a 120.
People are just used to a 140 kick and being forced to aim. The biggest strength of the gun is the AE.. stompee mains and anyone who plays in the air should be using Lunas. It's actually the best feeling hitting headshots in the air again.
Yeah idk what these youtubers are on i feel alot of them just dont like the gun an watch NF come out in final shape for the competitive playlist an they are gonna he like THE BEST HANDCANNON IS BACK! @raydan3638
@@raydan3638 another thing I have a 1000 kills on my encore precision hit it feels way better than any other 140 I used the only one that comes close is thorn.
i believe you simply suck with 140s ... no way you're comparing weapon feel of this gun and your example is thorn... high handling ...high visual recoil ...average stability ... luna blocks your entire target.... low handling ..low recoil opposite in feels .... i believe you dont kill anyone with thorn thats good and you mostly do your damage with perk ...and luna is a low skill gun...thats why u love them .
I still use my trust in PvP every now and then. Both my old Forsaken curated roll and my newer one from Lightfall which is rapid hit / Explosive Payload. It’s seriously a sleeper pick in a quick style build
Hell, trust is my lucky pants weapon of choice over warden's law because I can use it to maintain resto (and fashion purposes. not to say that warden's hasn't been my favorite hand cannon since its release).
Don’t underestimate a full AE investment roll. A niche play style but there are no other COMPETITIVE options to leverage a high AE stat. Knucklehead, thread of ascent, extended mag, Icarus mod = 100 AE on a competitive hand cannon
On dawnblade all you need it the heat rises aspect and an icarus mod. 80 AE at all times which is plenty for Lunas (even more with certain mag options). If you want to go all in just consume your grenade, though I don't think that's really necessary.
I just couldn't disagree more with the precision instrument conclusion. There's no world in which being given free damage increase for doing what you already do is bad, especially paired with eye of the storm for duelling. If you wanted slide opening, just use rose imo.
PI doesn't help you get the kill any faster over any other dueling perk is the issue. It's not like Iggy where you're already dealing enough damage to get a 2 head 1 body with PI, no matter what it's going to require 3 heads with Luna's. The only thing you can argue you benefit from PI is the slight range boost from the damage increase.
Doesnt matter when someone did the math to find it only extends 3-tap by 1m. Regardless of how you think or feel, that is garbage and you're way better off running something else
You sir just got a new subscriber. That was one of the best in depth weapon assessments I've ever seen. You should collaborate with Cool Guy and True Vangaurd after TFS drops in 2 weeks and reassess the sandbox.
I love 180s and their recoil animation was a part of that. I just couldn’t get them to work in crucible, no matter what, until I picked this thing up. Everything I love about 140s and 180s in a single package, almost feels like an exotic.
I don't even play D2 anymore but I still watch your vids because your voice is too good to give up. Do you have a second channel/do you plan on doing variety content any time soon?
I've not been a regular hand cannon user. There a handful of weapons that have changed my mind. Love my Outlaw/Headstone Eyasluna and really love my Heal Clip/Incandescent Luna's. Feels great to me and will stay in my regular rotation.
It's coming... I'm guessing 2nd episode would be a good little gimmick to get some players back. Running out of nostalgia bait but this is one that will work for pvp players. Oh and I also predict it will drop in a PvE activity 😅
why not just use NF then? its not just unsenset but still obtainable at the kiosik if you dont have it, and if you do, you can pull it from collections
Id recommend if your running heal clip to instead of going for extended mag, just go for flared magwell, btw in final shape backup mag might be on the menu
I escape the "feel" issue by simply having not used a hand cannon in pvp for like 2 years lmao. and when I did, it was me trying to force a 180 to work, so I was made for this. I love that recoil animation : )
One thing to keep in mind when talking about Luna's Howl vs. Igneous Hammer is this: Igneous requires you to do Trials to get it, which means you have to have the most recently released expansion purchased AND deal with Trials itself. Meanwhile, Luna's is readily available to new and free to play players.
As you were leading up to describing the recoil and why people don't like it, I kept thinking "that fires like Trust. That's gotta be messing people up."
I got a shiny with slideshot/heal clip and Incandescent/mag howl with hammer forged and a range master work. "Look upon my [god roll] and weep at its magnificence." Shodan, 2024 probably
I actually like 180's the most actually. I love playing on controller. I know it's probably not "optimal" at all. But I am obsessed. I keep coming back to this game for the builds for this. 😅
Funny enough when you mention the issue of "the gun should be shooting faster than it actually does like something hold you back" is EXACTLY what I felt when I used another old HC, The Seven Seraph Officer. This gun felt like you're trying very hard to control the recoil so it doesn't jump off your hands, making me feel like I'm holding it back. Funny how Luna's somewhat similar. For me ironically, I'd want a Subs/Howl combo because other combo are more common to find. Howl is only on Luna's for now.
M&K 180 enjoyer and I am literally in love with this thing. Enlightened Action + Incadescent or Heal Clip + Kill Clip with highest reload speed possible. Feels absolutely excellent to use.
The heal clip on it makes solo pve content easier sometimes and you don't need that ember that affects allies solo, but most the time I would just do zaoli's
By chance I came by this very good informative video. Subscribed immediately and joined your discord. I'm somewhat a new light. Started late February rank 7 (1833), but haven't done raids or dungeons, but I would really like to try it ☺️
Im completely the opposite. I love how this feels because of the precision frame. Also, desperate measures is low key goated on this with ability spam builds. Feels great in PVP. Reminds me of Surivors Epitaph but energy. I admit I am a bit partial to 180s.
Hey loved this clip. After an evening of grinding a few weeks ago on console, I got a Brave LH with Slide shot/ opening Shot /Ricochet Rounds Full Bore. On Luna's Howl Full Bore is doable even with a 71 range. When compared to the Not Forgotten this LH has better handling (40) out of the box, same aim assist, better AE. For me this roll looked do able and in play I couldn't have wished for a better drop. This confirms for me that there is a top roll out there to farm. I like the precision recoil so I'm good to go. For PVE i have an incandescent roll.
Dont worry Ascendant Nomad I WILL USE IT bc i am a brand new player first time back since launch and im using the BRAVE series as a basis to build my account up for the final wish
This weapon has long been forgotten in my memories of pain and suffering. The name’s Luna’s Howl and Not Forgotten send chills down my spine to this day.
I wasn't feeling Luna's Howl for some reason but I fucking loved Midnight Coup it sounds amazing, the gun looks cool for me, it feels nice to use, every hit feels like you are hitting the target on the perfect spot, I just love everything about it compared to Luna. (After seeing the vid explains why I'm having issues using it, I hated 180s lol.)
This thing has become my absolute new main weapon. Like it is amazing with heel clip just topping off that little bit of health you could be the missing while doing stuff or saving a buddy and he doesn't even know it.
My friends have told me too that they don't like the feel of LH, and the funny thing is that I love the feel, because it feels exactly like firing a modern revolver. It feels so natural to me and I love it.
under over is a great pvp perk, in sandbox where all the titans are moving around with overshield and maybe also with the frost armor in future. Exalted truth here is a monster gun with possibility to have 70 range, 80 stability (or pure 95 range for PC with 50 stab), eye of the storm and a key to bypass every over-shielded titans and warlocks in healing rift.
I like Luna's on Warlock with Transversive Steps & Mag Howl. You don't need slideshot or holster mods and you can use Eye of the Storm or Heal Clip in the first perk column.
Was waiting for you to drop this one! I play on PS5 and I love Luna’s Howl, in pve I use it just as much as Zaouli’s (my pve roll is heal clip/incan) and in pvp I can finally be filthy with a handcannon for the first time in a long time (my pvp is enlightened action/precision instrument).
Love the breakdown of how Luna's fits into different roles and what it can actually excell with. I also always like the easy to listen to background music in your videos. If anyone can tell me the background music during chapters 7-end that'd be amazing. Cheers and keep up the great work 👍
I've been maining a EA/Incandescent foil roll of Luna's Howl since it became available, and I think the main issue with the gun is that it takes a LOT of getting used to; the reduced visual recoil on the gun is quite nice, but if you've been using any other HC- Zaouli's Bane, for example- then you end up overcompensating for the lack of recoil. All in all, 9/10, would recommend.
Man I gotta work more Ascendant Nomad into my Destiny streamer rotation. This was an astoundingly sensitive, comprehensive, non fan boy, non tribal review. You had me at it isn't a good feel for YOU but you know it will be for others. Well done. Thanks
Precision instrument stacks go up from HITs, which means body shots adds to it too. Enhanced precision instrument also increases each stack's damage to 5%. I won't say no to free damage.
Brave Luna has been my main Crucible primary and I don’t see that changing for a while. It is so consistent on controller and the look+feel is #1. Slide shot / opening shot all day
I really like luna's howl. My pvp handcannon of choice now for the energy slot, though austringer still remains my favorite overall for legendaries. The bounce of the precision frame with the lower rpm on mnk just has a special sauce for me.
You've missed out a powerhouse of a PvE tool with heal clip + magnificent howl. 50% damage increase for half the mag(on average) just for getting precision kills, it absolutely shreds minors and majors. Then with the baked in heal clip benevolence goodness it absolutely slaps, don't sleep on it!
I want to point out, regardless of if this is noticed or not that in pve you may want a roll with desperate measures when not playing on solar, triggering a 30 percent damage bonus for using a strand melee which then is fed back 10 percent per kill and doesn't fall off due to kill retention
For a guy like me who wished I could main NF all throughout sunsetting, man when I tell you I’m unbelievably happy to have this gun you better believe me
The arguement I’d make for precision instrument is that it’s good for finishing off enemies that are already a little damaged. I have a slideshot precision instrument roll and I can’t count the amount of times precision instrument turns a three tap kill into a two tap or even a one head one body clean up. The forgiveness of the perk cannot be understated when you actually use it in the field
i guess it depends what you're used to. I spent hours using the original Trust, and am loving my Luna's. It's got the feel I'm used to with extra punch.
Run the HC/incandescent role with ember of benevolence on starfire protocol. I used this on the encounters on this week’s pantheon and it single-handedly revitalises what SP used to be. It’s disgustingly good.
Nah, I'll definitely be using this gun. It feels like Trust, my favorite handcannon in the game, but hits like Eyasluna, but also has Heal Clip + Incandescent! I'm having a blast with it and can't wait to Enhance the perks :)
Unlike most people, I never really notice the small things like how it feels because of the animation, so it feels just fine to me. And it took me 150+ drops of the gun while focused to get one with heal clip and incandescent. This thing puts in work and helps he get those ignitions for Dragon’s Breath. So far this thing will not be leaving my person.
heal clip, before benevolence, is already good for subclasses without good staying power and in encounters with limited cover(atraks and hefnd come to mind)
The new enhancement system makes the Brave weapons even more top tier with enhanced perks. Subsistence returns like 3 rounds per kill, you quite literally have unlimited ammo+never have to reload and like -10 range compared to sunshot. Still have yet to find a super good PvP roll for myself, but I think Magnificent Howl and Slideshot are going to be the move.
No luck with Heal Clip, but you can get up to 100 effective reload with Enlightened Action, which doesn't feel bad in the slightest and feels more consistent than Stars for All.
The oddest thing is about this version of luna is that its perfect for anyone who loves the minimal visual recoil of a 180 bit the power of 140, its the perfect hand cannon, you just have to adapt to its odd quirks and this can honestly be one of the most frightening solar hcs in the game
Most excellent video. People who earned it before, who were part of its original run, likely find it a dream to use again. Whereas those who came after find it awkward. It is one of the very best of the best weapons they ever made. I am thrilled it’s back. It feels GREAT to me. That said, Horror’s Least is the greatest pulse rifle in the game. 😉
I’ve got a heal + kill clip roll on one recently, I’ve been thinking on giving it a go. For me it’s the same thought process of going for a gun with stats for all and one for all, since they work together and have the same way of making them happen. I think ultimately I’d still prefer a magnificent howl one, but still, I think it could be decent at the very least.
I did not know that extended and subsistence gave 2 back instead of 1 I was overlooking that combination on a roll I have, totally changed how it feels in pve to me
I am in LOVE with this gun, and i play MnK :) Its super sticky and good with slide/opening or eots/mag howl. i have those two rolls and I have ZERO issue with it. I swap between it and my Rose almost exclusively for legendary hcs!
This has quickly become one of my favorites. Definitely doesn’t beat Austringer or Eyasluna for me but easily my third most favorite hand cannon (second favorite in PvE, only behind Sunshot; idc if Zaouli’s is more “optimal” when I hate everything about how it feels).
Weapon feel is huge, no matter what the stats are. It's why I will always prefer something like Dire Promise or Midnight Coup over something like Rose. Just the sound and the way they feel to use to comparison.
Before I start this ‘rant’, full transparency, I’m a controller player so that will likely impact my opinions heavily. I have Zaouli’s Bane (crafted), Epochal Integration and a heal clip + incandescent Luna’s Howl (not a flex, just a basis for the review because EI is a static roll and Zaouli’s is craftable). It’s fairly telling when looking at the kill count of each gun how I feel about each individual one. I crafted Zaouli’s Bane at the end of Season of the Deep and it has 11k kills as of now. My Epochal has ~4.5k kills and my usage went down because I got Zaouli’s (EI was what motivated me to get the final few red boarders). I got my godroll Luna’s the day it launched and as of now it has 8.1k kills. As much as I try to not show bias, weapon feel is as big of a factor as lethality, as far as the staying power of a weapon is in my inventory. I love handcannons, almost as much as I love SMGs (150k total HC kills and 230k total SMG kills), and as lethal as Zaouli’s is, that’s the only reason I used it, I didn’t like the gun, but it’s good. The recoil, the model and especially the reload, it just doesn’t feel good. The kill count is deceiving, but Tyranny of heaven which I crafted also at the tail end of season of the deep is sitting at 25k kills and I don’t even like bows that much. I’m well aware that this is meandering around the point, but, in getting to it, the reason why I’m probably not going to be running Zaouli’s anymore is because Luna’s just feels different. A good different. It took a while to get used to, because as Nomad pointed out, you expect the gun to shot quicker, me especially because I got the OG Luna’s when it realised and I was an avid user of a rapid hit + incandescent Trust. To add onto that, when again yellow bar enemies, the lack of recoil (my roll has 72 stability), feels like it lacks the visual power (recoil) that Sunshot and Zaouli’s have, despite it still hitting like a truck. But as humans do, we adapt. I went from feeling like I was going to drop the weapon entirely, to almost being in a trance like state when the kill total suddenly skyrocketed to 8 thousand kills. I’ve even been cutting down my usage because I don’t want it have too crazy of a kill count before it’s craftable. It may even rival my highest kill count primary which is Calus Mini tool, which sits at 46k kills. I just realised that I haven’t even talked about the perks. So, Zaouli’s, amazing for chunking down yellow bars due to EP, plus that extra bit of range it provides is great. Currently comparing incandescent perks is unfair because Zaouli’s is craftable. Mini rant warning, I’m tired of people saying there isn’t much difference between the enhanced vs unenhanced Incandescent beside more scorch stacks. Incandescent has an initial burst, which applies a radius of scorch within a certain area that depends on the strength of the enemy combatant, proceeding this enemies receive tick damage (which is affected by weapon buffs) for a period of time that slowly decays. Hypothetical example, initial tick of 900, final tick 400. During this time enemies are slightly staggered. Enhanced Incandescent increases how long the tick lasts, as well as slows down the decay rate of the tick damage. An enemy that might not have died to normal incandescent, would die to the enhanced version. Not important in low end content as most things will die by you breathing on it, but is especially important in high end content where aside from procing ignitions, incandescents lethality decreases. As an avid user of Dawn chorus (because I was using Sunbracers for years before they became the absolute meta, so I’m long since bored of them), the longer the tick damage, the more time that damage is buffed and the slower decaying of damage numbers means that the total damage an enhanced incandescent proc can do dramatically increases. End of mini rant. Moving on, I dislike the base reload of Epochal and I dislike the inconsistency of when I do or do not have stats for all active (plus UI sometimes gets so cluttered you can no longer see when it wears off). As someone who splits his playtime between solo and team content, heal clip comes in clutch in both environments. In solo (and group) there is plenty of times where I simply do not have a restoration nade up or if I’m running Karnstein Armlets and I don’t have a melee or I don’t want to clear the distance between he and an add due to boss pressure(example; first boss of warlords ruin between damage phases where there is typically just yellow bar scorn), it can come in clutch not only to save your life, but also to not waste of healing nade or melee when there is not many adds around. It can also replace the oh sh*t button that healing nades normally occupy. Additionally it great on subclasses that lack consistent healing options, like Broodweaver, Shadebinder (less so because I would rather run a demo or headstone weapon), Berserker (I know it has Banner of war, but sometimes that healing can be outpaced by enemies damage), don’t care about Behemoth, Revenant and Thread runner. Conclusion, this is the longest comment I’ve ever written and probably the one that will be read the least, but Luna’s Howl is a work horse weapon for those who don’t have Zaouli’s (too many people are sh*tting on people for being excited for Luna’s because Zaouli’s exists and news flash, not many people raid, let alone raid enough to have the pattern, content creators on average nonchalantly dismiss weapons because they have the crafted version), for those who dislike the feel of Zaouli’s, people who like additionally healing options, people tired of using Zaouli’s, etc. Anyway, heal clip stock is about it explode because with Prism only Warlocks have access to healing nades (unless an unveiled fragment gives you resto from elemental pick ups) and the only source of resto X2 is from Karnstein finishers and there’s no guarantee that we will have an ember of empyrean type fragment either. Warlocks also have access to devour and it’s not confirmed if Hunters and Titans will. Additionally, as addressed, Luna will have access to enhanced incandescent, making the only difference between it and Zaouli’s, a healing perk or a damage perk. Thanks if you read this, I’m probably overlooking some things as a lowly rank 9 guardian, but I guess my overview might be more in line with the main player base of D2 than a rank 11. Have a good day and may the shinies be abundant.
Feel is why I bought Mizuno irons that I hit 5 yards shorter than Callaway irons. You're not going to be comfortable unless you're using equipment you feel comfortable using.
Bigges issue for pvp is how much straffing leads to missed shots compared to other hand cannons. Same situation with rose, those bullets bend straight to the dome
So I posted this on reddit a couple days ago but there is a great interaction between slideshot and PI that means with both active you’ll extend your 3 tap range by 20+ range, as long as you slide and hit all HS. Does that make it automatically better than opening? Maybe, maybe not but it’s still closer than people think and closer than you’ve made it out to be. Worth doing the math on d2foundry yourself if you’re doubting but I’d encourage you to make an amendment before you cause people to shard their PI rolls.
Fun fact: subsistence + mag howl is actually not terrible. Subsistence refunds charges of mag howl on kill with the bullet. It is definitely no heal clip incandescent but it is a fun interaction regardless
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I love my Incandescent/Heal Clip roll, has saved me many times.
I would Bec I'm still trying to hunt down a heal clip and incandescent
Wait how can you be so off dog people have been using this gun nonstop in every mode and they aren't going to stop using it its the best 140 HC in the game
Cantata can roll with eye of the storm and opening shot or moving target. You can focus at gunsmith too, plus it has flinch resistance after relaoding. I use Hawkmoon and Sturm alot, trying out Luna's it felt really weird to use but I got a god roll. If I can't get used to Luna I'm going to try to focus an opening shot Cantata to pair with my new Conditional Finality I just got. I wish Luna's just had the regular 140 recoil cause it's got great perks.
it getting enhanced later and I love recoil much better than other guns ace of spades way worse and sunshot too
Heal Clip + Incandescent makes this weapon truly S tier endgame because you keep healing as they keep burning and dying.
It'll be fantastic for transcendence charging too, if only I could get one to drop with both and be shiny...
I love that roll until I got subsistence and incandescent roll which now is my favorite pve roll
It would be great to have
I have farmed for 4 days
68 Rolls
No HC/Incandescent
But if I see another slideshot/harmony one I am going to Kermit suicide
I had 3 drop. In. A. Row.
That roll doesn't exist
@@maisharona5861I've gotten like 15 slideshot/incandescent rolls it's stupid.
As an avid 180 rpm enjoyer, you hit the nail on the head. It feels like it fires too slowly.
they changed it to a 140RPM but with the recoil of a 180
@@Underscore_MikeIt’s not just the recoil direction, though. It’s the speed of the animation. The recoil animation looks like it’s finished long before the gun is ready to fire again.
@@NevinDouglas82 that’s fine for me, most people’s complaint with the gun is it obscures your vision of the target while shooting, allowing a split second to adjust is pretty necessary imo.
I think it fires pretty fast.
This is exactly why it felt weird to me to and now I have it in words
Honestly your description for how 180s feel is 100% how I feel. I feel like I'm so precise and still missing shots like there's less bullet magnetism. Then you put on a 140 or a 120 and shots just land, as if they have a bigger hitbox or leniency.
Not to mention when I miss with a 180, it "feels" like its harder to get back on target, due to the recoil and the "feel" of less magnetism. You often overcorrect in an attempt to get back on target and keep missing. It "feels" more punishing than the natural bounce of a 140 or the more deliberate kick of a 120.
People are just used to a 140 kick and being forced to aim.
The biggest strength of the gun is the AE.. stompee mains and anyone who plays in the air should be using Lunas. It's actually the best feeling hitting headshots in the air again.
Luna's Howl as a 150RPM on console was like heaven in hand.
@@sQuaTsiFieDor just use the strand hc from season of the witch with air assault.
I haven't had that problem.
Did bungie fix it???
naw I use 140 and recoil is too much and some head shot become ghost bullets
I’m on the other end of the spectrum. I love the feel of the gun. Feels a lot like my maleficence, but with kill clip.
Just got the slide shot / opening shot today. Can’t wait to get my a$$ kicked in the crucible with it tonight 😂
Yeah idk what these youtubers are on i feel alot of them just dont like the gun an watch NF come out in final shape for the competitive playlist an they are gonna he like THE BEST HANDCANNON IS BACK! @raydan3638
@@raydan3638 another thing I have a 1000 kills on my encore precision hit it feels way better than any other 140 I used the only one that comes close is thorn.
i believe you simply suck with 140s ... no way you're comparing weapon feel of this gun and your example is thorn...
high handling ...high visual recoil ...average stability ...
luna blocks your entire target.... low handling ..low recoil
opposite in feels ....
i believe you dont kill anyone with thorn thats good and you mostly do your damage with perk ...and luna is a low skill gun...thats why u love them .
@@kenzilbaptiste2519Woopy fucking doo. They love the gun, so let them be.
I love how Luna’s feels mostly cause I mained Trust for the longest time in the Forsaken era.
I had a max range roll with rapid hit back in the day 🫠
I still use my trust in PvP every now and then. Both my old Forsaken curated roll and my newer one from Lightfall which is rapid hit / Explosive Payload. It’s seriously a sleeper pick in a quick style build
Luna is for people who cant use HC
Totally agree. i have a god droll crafted Optative and an EP Trust.
Hell, trust is my lucky pants weapon of choice over warden's law because I can use it to maintain resto (and fashion purposes. not to say that warden's hasn't been my favorite hand cannon since its release).
I use this on M&K and I love it. I actually enjoy how it recoils as I find that I proc radiant with it super easy.
With the spec mods going away, you’ll be able to rock backup mag so extended mag won’t be necessary anymore.
even with the base 10 mag subsistence still reloads 2 bullets, there is 0 difference with this weapon if you boost the mag size or not
Don’t underestimate a full AE investment roll. A niche play style but there are no other COMPETITIVE options to leverage a high AE stat. Knucklehead, thread of ascent, extended mag, Icarus mod = 100 AE on a competitive hand cannon
This - people vastly underestimate what this thing does in the air. I land crits I have no business landing in the air with this thing.
On dawnblade all you need it the heat rises aspect and an icarus mod. 80 AE at all times which is plenty for Lunas (even more with certain mag options). If you want to go all in just consume your grenade, though I don't think that's really necessary.
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Which guns?
@AscendantNomad, haven't been following your content that long, but I always appreciate your candor during your reviews. Hope all is well. Cheers.
I just couldn't disagree more with the precision instrument conclusion. There's no world in which being given free damage increase for doing what you already do is bad, especially paired with eye of the storm for duelling. If you wanted slide opening, just use rose imo.
So you're saying Precision Instrument is best paired with Eye of the Storm?
Idk about best, but both Perks really help in the same 1v1 situation
PI doesn't help you get the kill any faster over any other dueling perk is the issue. It's not like Iggy where you're already dealing enough damage to get a 2 head 1 body with PI, no matter what it's going to require 3 heads with Luna's. The only thing you can argue you benefit from PI is the slight range boost from the damage increase.
I use encore PI and I have like 40m range. I have also won many 2v1s and 3v1s due to 2 Critting the 2nd and 3rd people
Doesnt matter when someone did the math to find it only extends 3-tap by 1m. Regardless of how you think or feel, that is garbage and you're way better off running something else
You sir just got a new subscriber. That was one of the best in depth weapon assessments I've ever seen. You should collaborate with Cool Guy and True Vangaurd after TFS drops in 2 weeks and reassess the sandbox.
I love 180s and their recoil animation was a part of that. I just couldn’t get them to work in crucible, no matter what, until I picked this thing up. Everything I love about 140s and 180s in a single package, almost feels like an exotic.
Always enjoy your takes and deep dives on things.. and your soooothing voice is the icing on the cake. Thank you ascendant nomad!
I don't even play D2 anymore but I still watch your vids because your voice is too good to give up. Do you have a second channel/do you plan on doing variety content any time soon?
It's in the works, but all focus right now is on TFS. I'll share my plans when they're further along!
I've not been a regular hand cannon user. There a handful of weapons that have changed my mind. Love my Outlaw/Headstone Eyasluna and really love my Heal Clip/Incandescent Luna's. Feels great to me and will stay in my regular rotation.
If they gave it Zen Moment like NF, it would be top tier for M&K
It's coming... I'm guessing 2nd episode would be a good little gimmick to get some players back. Running out of nostalgia bait but this is one that will work for pvp players.
Oh and I also predict it will drop in a PvE activity 😅
Mnk is zen moment.
So just wait until the og is no longer sunset ? Lmao
Bruh why not just use nf lmfao. It's being unsunset
why not just use NF then? its not just unsenset but still obtainable at the kiosik if you dont have it, and if you do, you can pull it from collections
Id recommend if your running heal clip to instead of going for extended mag, just go for flared magwell, btw in final shape backup mag might be on the menu
I have a heal clip + kill clip roll and I’ve been loving it in PVE. Thank you for the vid and explaining this weapon in such detail!
I escape the "feel" issue by simply having not used a hand cannon in pvp for like 2 years lmao. and when I did, it was me trying to force a 180 to work, so I was made for this. I love that recoil animation : )
Thank you for being so thorough.
You and Maven are my 2 favorite D2 content creators 😁 very informative
Maven is going to be super busy with Prismatic and new class exotics. Can't wait.
One thing to keep in mind when talking about Luna's Howl vs. Igneous Hammer is this:
Igneous requires you to do Trials to get it, which means you have to have the most recently released expansion purchased AND deal with Trials itself. Meanwhile, Luna's is readily available to new and free to play players.
As you were leading up to describing the recoil and why people don't like it, I kept thinking "that fires like Trust. That's gotta be messing people up."
I got a shiny with slideshot/heal clip and Incandescent/mag howl with hammer forged and a range master work. "Look upon my [god roll] and weep at its magnificence." Shodan, 2024 probably
I actually like 180's the most actually. I love playing on controller. I know it's probably not "optimal" at all. But I am obsessed. I keep coming back to this game for the builds for this. 😅
Yup, I definitely agree. Also, the issue with my Incan + HC rolled Lunas is that the reload is even slower that Sunshot.
That's why you want Flared magwell with a reload masterwork
Funny enough when you mention the issue of "the gun should be shooting faster than it actually does like something hold you back" is EXACTLY what I felt when I used another old HC, The Seven Seraph Officer. This gun felt like you're trying very hard to control the recoil so it doesn't jump off your hands, making me feel like I'm holding it back. Funny how Luna's somewhat similar. For me ironically, I'd want a Subs/Howl combo because other combo are more common to find. Howl is only on Luna's for now.
Igneous Hammer w/ heal clip & incandescent is also very nice
Yes but I can't STAND 120s in PvE 😭 I'm looking for a Luna's so I can shelf my current 10k+ kills Igneous already
I'm definitely in that 25%. Luna's howl is my baby
M&K 180 enjoyer and I am literally in love with this thing. Enlightened Action + Incadescent or Heal Clip + Kill Clip with highest reload speed possible. Feels absolutely excellent to use.
The heal clip on it makes solo pve content easier sometimes and you don't need that ember that affects allies solo, but most the time I would just do zaoli's
"Nobody will use" as it entered the top crucible weapons used since it launched and continues to be in the top.
I've mained the 140 version of NF for the last couple years (MnK). Luna's feels great to me, just because I'm already used to its recoil.
By chance I came by this very good informative video. Subscribed immediately and joined your discord. I'm somewhat a new light. Started late February rank 7 (1833), but haven't done raids or dungeons, but I would really like to try it ☺️
Got a Word of Crota (Adept) with Dragonfly and Destabilizing Rounds. I could never part with that roll. But you give a good argument to do so.
Im completely the opposite. I love how this feels because of the precision frame. Also, desperate measures is low key goated on this with ability spam builds. Feels great in PVP. Reminds me of Surivors Epitaph but energy. I admit I am a bit partial to 180s.
Zaouli's Bane has been my go to since I got it crafted. Those enhanced perks for incandescent and explosive payload is bonkers.
Hey loved this clip. After an evening of grinding a few weeks ago on console, I got a Brave LH with Slide shot/ opening Shot /Ricochet Rounds Full Bore. On Luna's Howl Full Bore is doable even with a 71 range. When compared to the Not Forgotten this LH has better handling (40) out of the box, same aim assist, better AE. For me this roll looked do able and in play I couldn't have wished for a better drop. This confirms for me that there is a top roll out there to farm. I like the precision recoil so I'm good to go. For PVE i have an incandescent roll.
I am 65, and hard of hearing. I appreciate your clear, perfectly paced enunciation! Oh.... and great content. Notifications on.
How does it stack up to Igneous? I have a Heal Clip/Incandescent Iggy that fills the same niche before this gun came out.
Dont worry Ascendant Nomad I WILL USE IT bc i am a brand new player first time back since launch and im using the BRAVE series as a basis to build my account up for the final wish
This weapon has long been forgotten in my memories of pain and suffering. The name’s Luna’s Howl and Not Forgotten send chills down my spine to this day.
You sound weak
@@jatochgaatjeniksaan3307 you sound like your mom last night
@@mr.x4036 lol she also said you were weak? Get rekt lol
@@jatochgaatjeniksaan3307 no she said that about you
I'm glad someone pointed this out and it's not the only handcannon why this recoil problem there are other ones too
Great video. Clean editing, chill vibes, and strong arguments. Always look forward to what you bring to the conversation. Cheers.
I wasn't feeling Luna's Howl for some reason but I fucking loved Midnight Coup it sounds amazing, the gun looks cool for me, it feels nice to use, every hit feels like you are hitting the target on the perfect spot, I just love everything about it compared to Luna. (After seeing the vid explains why I'm having issues using it, I hated 180s lol.)
This thing has become my absolute new main weapon. Like it is amazing with heel clip just topping off that little bit of health you could be the missing while doing stuff or saving a buddy and he doesn't even know it.
My friends have told me too that they don't like the feel of LH, and the funny thing is that I love the feel, because it feels exactly like firing a modern revolver. It feels so natural to me and I love it.
under over is a great pvp perk, in sandbox where all the titans are moving around with overshield and maybe also with the frost armor in future. Exalted truth here is a monster gun with possibility to have 70 range, 80 stability (or pure 95 range for PC with 50 stab), eye of the storm and a key to bypass every over-shielded titans and warlocks in healing rift.
1:33 you said it!!
I couldn’t explain it before. But the weapon animation “resets” well before you’re able to shoot again.
I like Luna's on Warlock with Transversive Steps & Mag Howl. You don't need slideshot or holster mods and you can use Eye of the Storm or Heal Clip in the first perk column.
"Dog being held back on a leash,because that's what it is." Iykyk. Respect
I rocked an “Exalted Truth” with 80 range, over-under, and kill clip this weekend. Hard to replace it without a very perfect 5/5.
Was waiting for you to drop this one! I play on PS5 and I love Luna’s Howl, in pve I use it just as much as Zaouli’s (my pve roll is heal clip/incan) and in pvp I can finally be filthy with a handcannon for the first time in a long time (my pvp is enlightened action/precision instrument).
I am one who doesn't like the recoil. I love how Fatebringer and Zaoulis feel.
also "Handles like a truck and looks and feels disgusting" is just great for handcannons
I have a perfect shiny of Luna and its easily taken over my primary use on Solar. Incan/kill clip with heal clip/enlightened. Favorite non exotic HC.
Love the breakdown of how Luna's fits into different roles and what it can actually excell with. I also always like the easy to listen to background music in your videos. If anyone can tell me the background music during chapters 7-end that'd be amazing. Cheers and keep up the great work 👍
As an M&K player, Luna's feels great to me, personally.
Maybe I'm biased though, I already really liked 180's.
I've been maining a EA/Incandescent foil roll of Luna's Howl since it became available, and I think the main issue with the gun is that it takes a LOT of getting used to; the reduced visual recoil on the gun is quite nice, but if you've been using any other HC- Zaouli's Bane, for example- then you end up overcompensating for the lack of recoil.
All in all, 9/10, would recommend.
Man I gotta work more Ascendant Nomad into my Destiny streamer rotation. This was an astoundingly sensitive, comprehensive, non fan boy, non tribal review. You had me at it isn't a good feel for YOU but you know it will be for others. Well done. Thanks
Great video, whatever your magic is
you do it well
Precision instrument stacks go up from HITs, which means body shots adds to it too. Enhanced precision instrument also increases each stack's damage to 5%. I won't say no to free damage.
"It's like a dog being held back on a leash" is such a perfect way to describe it
My buddy has 10k kills on his already. Which is wild for him, he doesn't use 1 gun often. Says it's the feel of it, so it just clicks with some people
Brave Luna has been my main Crucible primary and I don’t see that changing for a while. It is so consistent on controller and the look+feel is #1. Slide shot / opening shot all day
I really like luna's howl. My pvp handcannon of choice now for the energy slot, though austringer still remains my favorite overall for legendaries. The bounce of the precision frame with the lower rpm on mnk just has a special sauce for me.
You've missed out a powerhouse of a PvE tool with heal clip + magnificent howl. 50% damage increase for half the mag(on average) just for getting precision kills, it absolutely shreds minors and majors. Then with the baked in heal clip benevolence goodness it absolutely slaps, don't sleep on it!
SO THAT WAS WHY IT FELT WEIRD! Love it though. Subsistence/Incandescent goes hard.
I want to point out, regardless of if this is noticed or not that in pve you may want a roll with desperate measures when not playing on solar, triggering a 30 percent damage bonus for using a strand melee which then is fed back 10 percent per kill and doesn't fall off due to kill retention
You don’t need to be on solar for incandescent to explode everything in its path.
@Tehkneekz no, but you do need to be on solar to benefit the most from heal clip, scorch to trigger firesprites and to inflict more scorch
@@ExCrushter its still broken without it, only reason to run this weapon
@@Tehkneekz incan isn't broken, especially without the solar buffs from the artifact
@@ExCrushter ROFL
For a guy like me who wished I could main NF all throughout sunsetting, man when I tell you I’m unbelievably happy to have this gun you better believe me
The arguement I’d make for precision instrument is that it’s good for finishing off enemies that are already a little damaged. I have a slideshot precision instrument roll and I can’t count the amount of times precision instrument turns a three tap kill into a two tap or even a one head one body clean up. The forgiveness of the perk cannot be understated when you actually use it in the field
i guess it depends what you're used to. I spent hours using the original Trust, and am loving my Luna's. It's got the feel I'm used to with extra punch.
Did you make a video on Rose?
What are your thoughts on possible enhancing traits in Final Shape?
Run the HC/incandescent role with ember of benevolence on starfire protocol.
I used this on the encounters on this week’s pantheon and it single-handedly revitalises what SP used to be. It’s disgustingly good.
Nah, I'll definitely be using this gun. It feels like Trust, my favorite handcannon in the game, but hits like Eyasluna, but also has Heal Clip + Incandescent! I'm having a blast with it and can't wait to Enhance the perks :)
I remember a lot of people saying 180s were so trash but I’m on console and I LOVE how they feel same with crimson
Unlike most people, I never really notice the small things like how it feels because of the animation, so it feels just fine to me.
And it took me 150+ drops of the gun while focused to get one with heal clip and incandescent. This thing puts in work and helps he get those ignitions for Dragon’s Breath.
So far this thing will not be leaving my person.
Wait.... Did they take kill clip of Exalted? Mine has it but the screen you showed has Multi KC instead
I 100 percent think we are getting a 120 with slideshot and precision instrument.(hopefully better devils)
I've been running this with Heal Clip + Incandescent and my Witherhoard and it feels super nice for add-clear.
heal clip, before benevolence, is already good for subclasses without good staying power and in encounters with limited cover(atraks and hefnd come to mind)
I won't use Luna's holw because I have a handcan i already like and use trust is my favorite handcan
This is a great video
Luna’s with healclip incandescent was used almost exclusively to help me get Godslayer. Legit weapon
The new enhancement system makes the Brave weapons even more top tier with enhanced perks. Subsistence returns like 3 rounds per kill, you quite literally have unlimited ammo+never have to reload and like -10 range compared to sunshot.
Still have yet to find a super good PvP roll for myself, but I think Magnificent Howl and Slideshot are going to be the move.
What about Adept Palindrome? Doesn't that stack up real nice even against the OG Luna and NF?
No luck with Heal Clip, but you can get up to 100 effective reload with Enlightened Action, which doesn't feel bad in the slightest and feels more consistent than Stars for All.
The oddest thing is about this version of luna is that its perfect for anyone who loves the minimal visual recoil of a 180 bit the power of 140, its the perfect hand cannon, you just have to adapt to its odd quirks and this can honestly be one of the most frightening solar hcs in the game
Let me break it down for you:
Most excellent video. People who earned it before, who were part of its original run, likely find it a dream to use again. Whereas those who came after find it awkward. It is one of the very best of the best weapons they ever made. I am thrilled it’s back. It feels GREAT to me. That said, Horror’s Least is the greatest pulse rifle in the game. 😉
I’ve got a heal + kill clip roll on one recently, I’ve been thinking on giving it a go. For me it’s the same thought process of going for a gun with stats for all and one for all, since they work together and have the same way of making them happen.
I think ultimately I’d still prefer a magnificent howl one, but still, I think it could be decent at the very least.
I did not know that extended and subsistence gave 2 back instead of 1 I was overlooking that combination on a roll I have, totally changed how it feels in pve to me
Appended is better
I am in LOVE with this gun, and i play MnK :) Its super sticky and good with slide/opening or eots/mag howl. i have those two rolls and I have ZERO issue with it. I swap between it and my Rose almost exclusively for legendary hcs!
This has quickly become one of my favorites. Definitely doesn’t beat Austringer or Eyasluna for me but easily my third most favorite hand cannon (second favorite in PvE, only behind Sunshot; idc if Zaouli’s is more “optimal” when I hate everything about how it feels).
Weapon feel is huge, no matter what the stats are. It's why I will always prefer something like Dire Promise or Midnight Coup over something like Rose. Just the sound and the way they feel to use to comparison.
Before I start this ‘rant’, full transparency, I’m a controller player so that will likely impact my opinions heavily. I have Zaouli’s Bane (crafted), Epochal Integration and a heal clip + incandescent Luna’s Howl (not a flex, just a basis for the review because EI is a static roll and Zaouli’s is craftable). It’s fairly telling when looking at the kill count of each gun how I feel about each individual one. I crafted Zaouli’s Bane at the end of Season of the Deep and it has 11k kills as of now. My Epochal has ~4.5k kills and my usage went down because I got Zaouli’s (EI was what motivated me to get the final few red boarders). I got my godroll Luna’s the day it launched and as of now it has 8.1k kills. As much as I try to not show bias, weapon feel is as big of a factor as lethality, as far as the staying power of a weapon is in my inventory. I love handcannons, almost as much as I love SMGs (150k total HC kills and 230k total SMG kills), and as lethal as Zaouli’s is, that’s the only reason I used it, I didn’t like the gun, but it’s good. The recoil, the model and especially the reload, it just doesn’t feel good. The kill count is deceiving, but Tyranny of heaven which I crafted also at the tail end of season of the deep is sitting at 25k kills and I don’t even like bows that much. I’m well aware that this is meandering around the point, but, in getting to it, the reason why I’m probably not going to be running Zaouli’s anymore is because Luna’s just feels different. A good different. It took a while to get used to, because as Nomad pointed out, you expect the gun to shot quicker, me especially because I got the OG Luna’s when it realised and I was an avid user of a rapid hit + incandescent Trust. To add onto that, when again yellow bar enemies, the lack of recoil (my roll has 72 stability), feels like it lacks the visual power (recoil) that Sunshot and Zaouli’s have, despite it still hitting like a truck. But as humans do, we adapt. I went from feeling like I was going to drop the weapon entirely, to almost being in a trance like state when the kill total suddenly skyrocketed to 8 thousand kills. I’ve even been cutting down my usage because I don’t want it have too crazy of a kill count before it’s craftable. It may even rival my highest kill count primary which is Calus Mini tool, which sits at 46k kills. I just realised that I haven’t even talked about the perks. So, Zaouli’s, amazing for chunking down yellow bars due to EP, plus that extra bit of range it provides is great. Currently comparing incandescent perks is unfair because Zaouli’s is craftable. Mini rant warning, I’m tired of people saying there isn’t much difference between the enhanced vs unenhanced Incandescent beside more scorch stacks. Incandescent has an initial burst, which applies a radius of scorch within a certain area that depends on the strength of the enemy combatant, proceeding this enemies receive tick damage (which is affected by weapon buffs) for a period of time that slowly decays. Hypothetical example, initial tick of 900, final tick 400. During this time enemies are slightly staggered. Enhanced Incandescent increases how long the tick lasts, as well as slows down the decay rate of the tick damage. An enemy that might not have died to normal incandescent, would die to the enhanced version. Not important in low end content as most things will die by you breathing on it, but is especially important in high end content where aside from procing ignitions, incandescents lethality decreases. As an avid user of Dawn chorus (because I was using Sunbracers for years before they became the absolute meta, so I’m long since bored of them), the longer the tick damage, the more time that damage is buffed and the slower decaying of damage numbers means that the total damage an enhanced incandescent proc can do dramatically increases. End of mini rant. Moving on, I dislike the base reload of Epochal and I dislike the inconsistency of when I do or do not have stats for all active (plus UI sometimes gets so cluttered you can no longer see when it wears off). As someone who splits his playtime between solo and team content, heal clip comes in clutch in both environments. In solo (and group) there is plenty of times where I simply do not have a restoration nade up or if I’m running Karnstein Armlets and I don’t have a melee or I don’t want to clear the distance between he and an add due to boss pressure(example; first boss of warlords ruin between damage phases where there is typically just yellow bar scorn), it can come in clutch not only to save your life, but also to not waste of healing nade or melee when there is not many adds around. It can also replace the oh sh*t button that healing nades normally occupy. Additionally it great on subclasses that lack consistent healing options, like Broodweaver, Shadebinder (less so because I would rather run a demo or headstone weapon), Berserker (I know it has Banner of war, but sometimes that healing can be outpaced by enemies damage), don’t care about Behemoth, Revenant and Thread runner. Conclusion, this is the longest comment I’ve ever written and probably the one that will be read the least, but Luna’s Howl is a work horse weapon for those who don’t have Zaouli’s (too many people are sh*tting on people for being excited for Luna’s because Zaouli’s exists and news flash, not many people raid, let alone raid enough to have the pattern, content creators on average nonchalantly dismiss weapons because they have the crafted version), for those who dislike the feel of Zaouli’s, people who like additionally healing options, people tired of using Zaouli’s, etc. Anyway, heal clip stock is about it explode because with Prism only Warlocks have access to healing nades (unless an unveiled fragment gives you resto from elemental pick ups) and the only source of resto X2 is from Karnstein finishers and there’s no guarantee that we will have an ember of empyrean type fragment either. Warlocks also have access to devour and it’s not confirmed if Hunters and Titans will. Additionally, as addressed, Luna will have access to enhanced incandescent, making the only difference between it and Zaouli’s, a healing perk or a damage perk. Thanks if you read this, I’m probably overlooking some things as a lowly rank 9 guardian, but I guess my overview might be more in line with the main player base of D2 than a rank 11. Have a good day and may the shinies be abundant.
Feel is why I bought Mizuno irons that I hit 5 yards shorter than Callaway irons. You're not going to be comfortable unless you're using equipment you feel comfortable using.
Bigges issue for pvp is how much straffing leads to missed shots compared to other hand cannons. Same situation with rose, those bullets bend straight to the dome
So I posted this on reddit a couple days ago but there is a great interaction between slideshot and PI that means with both active you’ll extend your 3 tap range by 20+ range, as long as you slide and hit all HS. Does that make it automatically better than opening? Maybe, maybe not but it’s still closer than people think and closer than you’ve made it out to be.
Worth doing the math on d2foundry yourself if you’re doubting but I’d encourage you to make an amendment before you cause people to shard their PI rolls.
Fun fact: subsistence + mag howl is actually not terrible. Subsistence refunds charges of mag howl on kill with the bullet. It is definitely no heal clip incandescent but it is a fun interaction regardless
Heal clip and incandescent is the play for pvp that combo is nasty plus you’ll be able to enhance the perks in final shape!