When students with ADHD have difficulty with listening comprehension and executive function, what accommodation do you recommend for making sure the student knows what their homework and assignment is? You said they should write it down, but what if they miss half of what the teacher says how is that supporting their weakness? It is so frustrating to make bad grades just because you couldn't write the assignment down fast enough or you don't read the right information for homework. You didn't give a strategy for how to actually help a student with ADHD, you are saying treat them just like the other students who don't have their disability.
ADHD is an executive function developmental delay. If someone has ADHD they don't have good executive functioning. Reading comprehension issues do not mean that you have trouble reading everything, it is much more specific than that. Unless it was an involved assignment with multi-step directions or the directions were in paragraphs (someone with ADHD who struggles with reading comprehension tends to struggle with understanding the "bigger picture", inferencing) their difficulty with reading comprehension issues will not be an issue if homework is a few words (Read pages 14-20"). If it is an issue then there can be accommodations to help such as homework instructions that more descriptive, the ability to write down homework in advance, etc. I do not specialize in accommodations and don't get into depth about it. My greater concern is preventing the "crash & burn" that happens when kids with ADHD graduate high school prompt-dependent, over-dependent, or lacking self-advocacy skills because they were never taught them. I do give a strategy in this video that is essential for students to be successful in college. You will not initially make it in college if you graduate from high school dependent on prompting from adults because they act as your executive functioning. That is setting someone up for failure, which many parents do unintentionally because they were never provided this information. Yes, I do think kids with ADHD should be treated like everyone else, because the hundreds I've worked with do not want to be thought of as disabled, nor do they want special treatment because of a diagnostic label. I don't believe in disempowering kids by telling them (or their parents) that they are disabled.
@@ADHDDude I very much agree with your stance on this. One of my top priorities as a parent to my 9yr old son with adhd is making sure I am helping him learn and develop the skills he needs to be autonomous as he grows up. However, I feel his school doesn’t share that same goal - I have asked for very few school accommodations on his 504 plan and I don’t want to bulldoze his path to eliminate any and obstacles, but I feel that the 4-5 accommodations he has are not very effective or helpful. For example, he struggles with homework - he gets it done but things that should take 20mins often take him a few hours, the school wants him to just work for 20mins and then have me send an email to the teacher saying he’s was unable to finish. I’d rather he complete the work so that he is still doing the work/learning the material. The other issues he has are with transitions, getting frustrated easily, and note taking (he will often have trouble keeping up with writing while also listening so he starts writing a different thing in the middle of a word etc so his notes are impossible to read or understand). The school is only offering a solution to frustration because they don’t want to deal with negative behavior such as a meltdown - they have given him permission to stop working and read quietly when he’s getting frustrated as long as he puts a note to the teacher on his paper letting them know, but they will not let him ask to take a break to walk away/stretch/get a drink and return to the assignment when he’s calm, he isn’t penalized for not finishing or made to do it later so he isn’t learning to calm down and try again because he’s allowed to just quit. They also refused my request to let him either record the notes/teacher’s lecture or be provided with a copy of the notes (after the fact). To clarify, I still want him to be taking his own but when he’s coming home with pages of jumbled words that don’t make any sense, it’s useless for studying and as a result he fails the tests and quizzes because no course material/textbooks are allowed to come home…he ONLY has his notes and whatever he remembers from class. He’s also graded on the notes which they copy down from the projector as the teacher talks - he’s already getting poor marks on his note taking, should he face additional consequences because he didn’t do well enough at copying them down because he couldn’t keep up or track what he was copying down? It’s not helping motivate him to improve, his teacher and I both agree that he actively trying to do his best to take notes and pay attention, we’re also working with a literacy specialist to help him improve his reading/writing skills as well as occupational therapist for fine motor/handwriting. It causes him a lot of anxiety when he tries to study and knows his notes aren’t helping him review the material and doesn’t have another way to go over what they learned.
@@PronounGirl I am a high school educator. I feel that all students struggle with note-taking. I provide a copy of my lecture notes or PowerPoint presentations in my Google Classroom for all students to review. This promotes executive functioning because they have to engage with my notes on their own outside of class...and they have to remember to do it; I will not prompt them to do it. Some assessments are open-note. If a student gets a poor score, then they can retake the quiz AFTER they correct their notes. This promotes executive functioning growth, too because it incentives students to be independent in either making sure their notes are completed before a quiz or provides an opportunity for them to correct their notes and improve the quiz score.
Talking about adhd having issues understanding what is said I strongly encourage get them checked for sensory processing issues. My child is a straight A student. But if u try to talk to him like a wall at times or he says he heard etc. he had a larger test that did include verbal and written comprehension he scored in the single digits. This was not a fluke. It opened up a better understanding of why he was getting so angry and overwhelmed
The problem is that if I step completely away from supporting my son's executive functioning, he'll definitely fail and sink further into despair. I just can't imagine how I could implement this with my son.
Are you supporting him or are you enabling his over-dependence on you by acting as his executive functioning because you don't have strategies in place to help him develop independence? Unfortunately, if you're acting as his executive functioning because you fear him failing you're unintentionally setting him up for failure because he has not developed the resiliency, independence or confidence he'll need to be successful.
Thank you for your videos! Our son is 12 and aside from his diagnosis around age 5 and few subsequent visits with my husband's psychologist, he has not had any help and I feel terrible. He wasn't getting anything out of the visits to the therapist so we stopped and I had no idea what to do or how to help. I feel like I've really failed him as a parent. 😔 We did have him tested for Asperger's because his 5th grade principal said he acted like other students with it, but the assessment said no. I also say he's got ODD, but that's never been mentioned by any doctor. We even tried to get him in a program at school to help with social cues, but the lady told him how to answer and so he passed the one part I knew he would fail on. He has a 504 for preferred seating and fidgets but that's it.
th-cam.com/video/UD-Ku2vTchg/w-d-xo.html Thanks so much for watching! I thought this video might help you. I don't consider Oppositional Defiant Disorder to be a real diagnosis, rather it's a description of behaviors that have their basis in inflexibility, anxiety or trauma.
School tells me my child doesn't need an IEP or 504 because her standardized tests scores are good and she does fine academically. I know that this doesn't come easily for her and she much work harder than other kids to achieve what she does. I do request that she sit in front.
That's completely false. They're giving you misinformation so they can try to avoid having to evaluate her for services. If you do a little research and look this up you'll find it and you can present it to them and point out to them that what they're saying is not true. Unfortunately, schools do this frequently oh, they take advantage of what parents don't know.
@@ADHDDude she does have an IEP currently but only for speech. The speech therapist said will probably end after our meeting next week because she's meeting her goals. What exactly should I ask them to evaluate her for? I had requested that she be held back last year in 3rd grade to give her more time to mature but of course it was denied, even with letters from her pediatrician and another speech therapist she saw outside of school. Had I known I could have held her back before 7 yrsc old I would have. One of my biggest regrets is having her start school too early and being one of the youngest, June bday.
When she started school is irrelevant if she has learning issues. You need to explain in writing why you believe she needs support, you need to make the case that her standardized test scores are irrelevant to this. I suggest getting an advocate involved because they've blatantly lied to you so you need to know how to call them out on this.
I agree to this. We have been asking for iep but they kept on denying by telling us he is doing well at test. Good scores and. 100 iq. We started requesting accomodtion beginning of 5th gede. 5th grade teachers and mdt moved us the request ti middleschool mdt. they said middlw school staff will do this. Here we are mid of school year in middle school we are still requesting. We have him evaluated for autism per psychiatrist and pwdiatrician. Mind you we have travels to ER, police station and treatment center still we are fighting for IEP. He acts out at middle school with bad grades and very bad behavior at home. We are so overwheld
Is a para professional considered a dependency, it seems like it would be with how you're describing. But my son is 5 and very young. I think he could benefit from it at least in the beginning of Elementary. He is repeating kindergarten.
I have a 15 yr old child who severely struggles with online classes and management, (she has failed classes that were previously easy for her before chromebooks due to her thinking she has finished her assignments, only to find out she missed a handful of assignments that she didnt see and couldnt make up for in time) which is difficult because her school gives her all her assignments and hw online. Would it be helpful for her if she recieves her work printed on paper instead of online?
@@ADHDDude Tutor meets with 14 yo to help him plan out his assignments for the week. Goes over his homework to see if there are any missing assignments. Encourages him to make flash cards/study materials etc for upcoming test. Sometimes it's just like having a moderated study hall.
When students with ADHD have difficulty with listening comprehension and executive function, what accommodation do you recommend for making sure the student knows what their homework and assignment is? You said they should write it down, but what if they miss half of what the teacher says how is that supporting their weakness? It is so frustrating to make bad grades just because you couldn't write the assignment down fast enough or you don't read the right information for homework. You didn't give a strategy for how to actually help a student with ADHD, you are saying treat them just like the other students who don't have their disability.
ADHD is an executive function developmental delay. If someone has ADHD they don't have good executive functioning. Reading comprehension issues do not mean that you have trouble reading everything, it is much more specific than that. Unless it was an involved assignment with multi-step directions or the directions were in paragraphs (someone with ADHD who struggles with reading comprehension tends to struggle with understanding the "bigger picture", inferencing) their difficulty with reading comprehension issues will not be an issue if homework is a few words (Read pages 14-20"). If it is an issue then there can be accommodations to help such as homework instructions that more descriptive, the ability to write down homework in advance, etc. I do not specialize in accommodations and don't get into depth about it. My greater concern is preventing the "crash & burn" that happens when kids with ADHD graduate high school prompt-dependent, over-dependent, or lacking self-advocacy skills because they were never taught them.
I do give a strategy in this video that is essential for students to be successful in college. You will not initially make it in college if you graduate from high school dependent on prompting from adults because they act as your executive functioning. That is setting someone up for failure, which many parents do unintentionally because they were never provided this information.
Yes, I do think kids with ADHD should be treated like everyone else, because the hundreds I've worked with do not want to be thought of as disabled, nor do they want special treatment because of a diagnostic label.
I don't believe in disempowering kids by telling them (or their parents) that they are disabled.
@@ADHDDude I very much agree with your stance on this. One of my top priorities as a parent to my 9yr old son with adhd is making sure I am helping him learn and develop the skills he needs to be autonomous as he grows up. However, I feel his school doesn’t share that same goal - I have asked for very few school accommodations on his 504 plan and I don’t want to bulldoze his path to eliminate any and obstacles, but I feel that the 4-5 accommodations he has are not very effective or helpful. For example, he struggles with homework - he gets it done but things that should take 20mins often take him a few hours, the school wants him to just work for 20mins and then have me send an email to the teacher saying he’s was unable to finish. I’d rather he complete the work so that he is still doing the work/learning the material. The other issues he has are with transitions, getting frustrated easily, and note taking (he will often have trouble keeping up with writing while also listening so he starts writing a different thing in the middle of a word etc so his notes are impossible to read or understand). The school is only offering a solution to frustration because they don’t want to deal with negative behavior such as a meltdown - they have given him permission to stop working and read quietly when he’s getting frustrated as long as he puts a note to the teacher on his paper letting them know, but they will not let him ask to take a break to walk away/stretch/get a drink and return to the assignment when he’s calm, he isn’t penalized for not finishing or made to do it later so he isn’t learning to calm down and try again because he’s allowed to just quit. They also refused my request to let him either record the notes/teacher’s lecture or be provided with a copy of the notes (after the fact). To clarify, I still want him to be taking his own but when he’s coming home with pages of jumbled words that don’t make any sense, it’s useless for studying and as a result he fails the tests and quizzes because no course material/textbooks are allowed to come home…he ONLY has his notes and whatever he remembers from class. He’s also graded on the notes which they copy down from the projector as the teacher talks - he’s already getting poor marks on his note taking, should he face additional consequences because he didn’t do well enough at copying them down because he couldn’t keep up or track what he was copying down? It’s not helping motivate him to improve, his teacher and I both agree that he actively trying to do his best to take notes and pay attention, we’re also working with a literacy specialist to help him improve his reading/writing skills as well as occupational therapist for fine motor/handwriting. It causes him a lot of anxiety when he tries to study and knows his notes aren’t helping him review the material and doesn’t have another way to go over what they learned.
@@PronounGirl I am a high school educator. I feel that all students struggle with note-taking. I provide a copy of my lecture notes or PowerPoint presentations in my Google Classroom for all students to review. This promotes executive functioning because they have to engage with my notes on their own outside of class...and they have to remember to do it; I will not prompt them to do it. Some assessments are open-note. If a student gets a poor score, then they can retake the quiz AFTER they correct their notes. This promotes executive functioning growth, too because it incentives students to be independent in either making sure their notes are completed before a quiz or provides an opportunity for them to correct their notes and improve the quiz score.
Talking about adhd having issues understanding what is said I strongly encourage get them checked for sensory processing issues. My child is a straight A student. But if u try to talk to him like a wall at times or he says he heard etc. he had a larger test that did include verbal and written comprehension he scored in the single digits. This was not a fluke. It opened up a better understanding of why he was getting so angry and overwhelmed
The problem is that if I step completely away from supporting my son's executive functioning, he'll definitely fail and sink further into despair. I just can't imagine how I could implement this with my son.
Are you supporting him or are you enabling his over-dependence on you by acting as his executive functioning because you don't have strategies in place to help him develop independence? Unfortunately, if you're acting as his executive functioning because you fear him failing you're unintentionally setting him up for failure because he has not developed the resiliency, independence or confidence he'll need to be successful.
Thank you for your videos! Our son is 12 and aside from his diagnosis around age 5 and few subsequent visits with my husband's psychologist, he has not had any help and I feel terrible. He wasn't getting anything out of the visits to the therapist so we stopped and I had no idea what to do or how to help. I feel like I've really failed him as a parent. 😔 We did have him tested for Asperger's because his 5th grade principal said he acted like other students with it, but the assessment said no. I also say he's got ODD, but that's never been mentioned by any doctor. We even tried to get him in a program at school to help with social cues, but the lady told him how to answer and so he passed the one part I knew he would fail on. He has a 504 for preferred seating and fidgets but that's it.
th-cam.com/video/UD-Ku2vTchg/w-d-xo.html
Thanks so much for watching! I thought this video might help you. I don't consider Oppositional Defiant Disorder to be a real diagnosis, rather it's a description of behaviors that have their basis in inflexibility, anxiety or trauma.
I am feeling like this to my daughter is 6 and was just diagnosed
School tells me my child doesn't need an IEP or 504 because her standardized tests scores are good and she does fine academically. I know that this doesn't come easily for her and she much work harder than other kids to achieve what she does. I do request that she sit in front.
That's completely false. They're giving you misinformation so they can try to avoid having to evaluate her for services. If you do a little research and look this up you'll find it and you can present it to them and point out to them that what they're saying is not true. Unfortunately, schools do this frequently oh, they take advantage of what parents don't know.
@@ADHDDude she does have an IEP currently but only for speech. The speech therapist said will probably end after our meeting next week because she's meeting her goals.
What exactly should I ask them to evaluate her for? I had requested that she be held back last year in 3rd grade to give her more time to mature but of course it was denied, even with letters from her pediatrician and another speech therapist she saw outside of school. Had I known I could have held her back before 7 yrsc old I would have. One of my biggest regrets is having her start school too early and being one of the youngest, June bday.
When she started school is irrelevant if she has learning issues. You need to explain in writing why you believe she needs support, you need to make the case that her standardized test scores are irrelevant to this. I suggest getting an advocate involved because they've blatantly lied to you so you need to know how to call them out on this.
I agree to this. We have been asking for iep but they kept on denying by telling us he is doing well at test. Good scores and. 100 iq. We started requesting accomodtion beginning of 5th gede. 5th grade teachers and mdt moved us the request ti middleschool mdt. they said middlw school staff will do this. Here we are mid of school year in middle school we are still requesting. We have him evaluated for autism per psychiatrist and pwdiatrician. Mind you we have travels to ER, police station and treatment center still we are fighting for IEP. He acts out at middle school with bad grades and very bad behavior at home. We are so overwheld
Is a para professional considered a dependency, it seems like it would be with how you're describing. But my son is 5 and very young. I think he could benefit from it at least in the beginning of Elementary. He is repeating kindergarten.
Yes, I would suggest fading them gradually during first grade.
Love this! And that closing line😆
Thank you! I was a little nervous about using it. 😁
I have a 15 yr old child who severely struggles with online classes and management, (she has failed classes that were previously easy for her before chromebooks due to her thinking she has finished her assignments, only to find out she missed a handful of assignments that she didnt see and couldnt make up for in time) which is difficult because her school gives her all her assignments and hw online. Would it be helpful for her if she recieves her work printed on paper instead of online?
Yes it would, and I often find online schooling is disasterous for kids with ADHD.
@ADHDDude thank you very much lol 😊
What about a child that’s just started pre-k and is almost 5? Do they differ? Thanks!
I'm not clear about what you're asking
Would you consider working with a tutor during school hours as "dependence on adults"?
I couldn't answer that without more information
@@ADHDDude Tutor meets with 14 yo to help him plan out his assignments for the week. Goes over his homework to see if there are any missing assignments. Encourages him to make flash cards/study materials etc for upcoming test. Sometimes it's just like having a moderated study hall.
I would not consider this creating dependency, what you describe is totally fine, and hopefully helpful.
@@ADHDDude Thank you!
My Child has ADHD with hyperactivity and hypersensitivity. What about a teachers aide?
I'm not sure what you're asking?
@ADHD Dude do you feel an 1:1 is more supportive or a contained class. 10 or less students?
I would never recommend a 1:1 for any child with ADHD. It enables over-depenence on adults and is socially stigmatizing to the child.
Excellent!😃
Thank You!