Handmade Auto-Revolver

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    This very odd one-off pistol first appeared in a 1958 Golden State Arms catalog, with no description of its history or mechanical design. I have often seen it referred to as an automatic revolver, but this is a misconception - what appears to be a cylinder is actually a rotary magazine, akin to a Ruger 10-22.
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  • @danielevans8910
    @danielevans8910 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3788

    That is the most badass revolver I’ve ever seen. Looks like it was used to fight sky pirates on airships.

    • @mxdwnfrcemdia
      @mxdwnfrcemdia 4 ปีที่แล้ว +145

      Basically Bioshock lmao

    • @brandencoburn757
      @brandencoburn757 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      nah

    • @bookreaderman6715
      @bookreaderman6715 4 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      I could see that

    • @arcadeinvader8086
      @arcadeinvader8086 4 ปีที่แล้ว +43

      If it had a different grip and better machining overall this design wouldn't look out of place in a sci-fi setting

    • @foreverd4nk796
      @foreverd4nk796 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      “Skyrate”

  • @TrilobiteTerror
    @TrilobiteTerror 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1793

    For those wondering, this sold for $2,500 (which seems like a steal for such a unique, published experimental firearm).

    • @anikidwolfy
      @anikidwolfy 4 ปีที่แล้ว +163

      that should have sold for 10x the price. if the guy who bought it is smart, he should get a blueprint made as that is a unicorn that should have a replica in a museum. real pioneer in thinking who made it.

    • @enb3810
      @enb3810 4 ปีที่แล้ว +37

      damn, I would've paid that much...

    • @RedMcCarl
      @RedMcCarl 4 ปีที่แล้ว +86

      @@anikidwolfy he should have the blueprint made and then commission a couple hundred made I'm sure even as replicas you'd be able to sell them for 1000$ each

    • @bruh-cz4ge
      @bruh-cz4ge 4 ปีที่แล้ว +35

      @@RedMcCarl stonks

    • @deadflowers7017
      @deadflowers7017 4 ปีที่แล้ว +35

      It wasn't complete and no one knows what the missing parts look like to replace them.Very few people would want it at any price.

  • @lockpickinglawyer
    @lockpickinglawyer 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1977

    I know I’m late to this party, but is it possible that the bolt/barrel lockup was self regulating with chamber pressure... in other words the expansion of the case creates friction with the inside of the chamber sufficient to keep it closed?

    • @lonzza9069
      @lonzza9069 4 ปีที่แล้ว +297

      holy shit its the LockPickingLawyer?!??! Never expected to see you here!!!

    • @cryalowicki
      @cryalowicki 4 ปีที่แล้ว +88

      @lockpickinglawyer I think that would just be normal blowback operation unless I'm misunderstanding you. If I am, do you have an example of another gun that uses that locking style?

    • @lockpickinglawyer
      @lockpickinglawyer 4 ปีที่แล้ว +188

      Cory Yalowicki The Tommy Gun comes to mind... at least that’s what I was thinking of. There must be others, but I don’t know any offhand. A more effective version of this friction delayed blowback uses a concave ring in the chamber to increase friction when the case expands. I can’t think of guns that use that, but I vaguely recall reading about it. 🤷🏻‍♂️

    • @TactaGhoul
      @TactaGhoul 4 ปีที่แล้ว +146

      @@lockpickinglawyer The Tommy Gun used a Blish Lock, which was based on the assumption that the static friction of two dissimilar metals was greater under pressure, which was incorrect. It didn't work at all and was effectively straight blowback. The friction-delay you're thinking of was used in the Fritz Mann .25 pocket pistol and the Kimball .30 carbine pistol. That worked too well actually, the cases would expand into a groove in the chamber and get stuck or blow out. I like your channel BTW, keep it up

    • @jonathanmabe5561
      @jonathanmabe5561 4 ปีที่แล้ว +49

      I forgot LPL was American. Nice to see you here man.

  • @Orpheusftw
    @Orpheusftw 4 ปีที่แล้ว +179

    It frustrates me to no end that it's incomplete.
    Beautiful piece. Would love to see it in action.

  • @barrystroud4465
    @barrystroud4465 4 ปีที่แล้ว +519

    Introducing the revolutionary, non-revolving revolver!

    • @CanadianCat64
      @CanadianCat64 3 ปีที่แล้ว +33

      tfw you reinvent the pistol

  • @majormassenspektrometer
    @majormassenspektrometer 10 ปีที่แล้ว +4355

    Looks like something that could come right out of Fallout. ^^

    • @RavemastaJ
      @RavemastaJ 10 ปีที่แล้ว +189

      Hey! It's THAT GUN!

    • @firepower01
      @firepower01 10 ปีที่แล้ว +125

      ravemastaj
      That Gun is based off of Deckard's gun from Blade Runner.

    • @Pitchlock8251
      @Pitchlock8251 10 ปีที่แล้ว +76

      LOL I was thinking more like Firefly.

    • @itaybron
      @itaybron 10 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      you're god damn right!

    • @itaybron
      @itaybron 10 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Adrian Krasniqi
      you mean this? img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20091203232301/bioshock/images/4/4b/Pistol_b.png

  • @protoculture289
    @protoculture289 9 ปีที่แล้ว +4405

    My god, I have never seen a more over complicated handgun. The germans would be proud.

    • @maxkaufmann974
      @maxkaufmann974 9 ปีที่แล้ว +166

      +MonkeyWith72Magic Nah. We are efficent, not complicated.

    • @protoculture289
      @protoculture289 9 ปีที่แล้ว +275

      +Rad Chad You have no idea what you're talking about. I'm a service tech at a US Audi dealership I know all about their "efficient engineering" translation over complicated garbage that falls apart in five years.

    • @billy5179
      @billy5179 8 ปีที่แล้ว +116

      +MonkeyWith72Magic funny thing is: it falls apart if you don't know what the fuck you are handling. no problem like that in german audis. or most other german produced cars.

    • @billy5179
      @billy5179 8 ปีที่แล้ว +43

      *****
      lol, i would depend on a 10 year old benz no second thought. in fact my 7 year old bmw has 270.000 miles down and is "purring like a cat" (german saying if something runs smooth)

    • @billy5179
      @billy5179 8 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      ***** sorry if i misunderstand your post, but what has your grandma to do with german cars. i'm german and here in germany most german build cars work for a pretty long time especially those brands called luxery brands like mercedes, bmw, audi and so on. but i have to agree about faults in the luxery equipment. this stuff tends to break down way sooner then the actual car. like i said sorry if i misunderstood your post, my native language is german.
      oh and ask your grnadma about "schnurrt wie eine Katze" :) thats what my bmw does.

  • @harrylomax6330
    @harrylomax6330 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2202

    is "automatic pistol revolver thing" an official designation?

    • @MarlowQAI
      @MarlowQAI 8 ปีที่แล้ว +51

      Yes it is, also look-up the Webley-Fosbery Auto-Revolver as another example. Ian has done a "Forgotten Weapons" video on it.

    • @Nobody-11B
      @Nobody-11B 7 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      Yes. Very rare.

    • @DuringDark
      @DuringDark 6 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      By the look of it, isn't it really an internal rotary magazine handgun?

    • @OnlyKaerius
      @OnlyKaerius 6 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@MarlowQAI There's also the Mateba Model 6 Unica auto-revolver. It's also neat because the barrel aligns with the bottom chamber instead of top chamber.

    • @1stPCFerret
      @1stPCFerret 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@OnlyKaerius The Mateba appears in Shirow Masamune's *Ghost in the Shell* movie. The team "rookie" Togusa persists in using it although The Major wants him to use a regulation semiautomatic pistol.
      When I first saw this firearm, I thought "Now if the barrel was on the bottom...." :D

  • @thomashambly3718
    @thomashambly3718 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1774

    Omg, it's a full-semi-auto clip-fed assault-revolver.

    • @sillylittleowlguy2392
      @sillylittleowlguy2392 4 ปีที่แล้ว +235

      California’s worst nightmare

    • @chicanamaoist687
      @chicanamaoist687 4 ปีที่แล้ว +50

      commisar lane lmao libs want to keep guns from the proletarian masses

    • @elboludodelaesquina2326
      @elboludodelaesquina2326 4 ปีที่แล้ว +46

      Sounds like something you'd see in borderlands 3

    • @jdj5959
      @jdj5959 4 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      @@chicanamaoist687 nobody asked my guy

    • @RaptureScore
      @RaptureScore 4 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      @@jdj5959 Correction, I asked.

  • @codeinecowboy8607
    @codeinecowboy8607 4 ปีที่แล้ว +588

    When pistol gets drunk and calls revolver at 2 in the morning

    • @Olv_Matheus
      @Olv_Matheus 4 ปีที่แล้ว +48

      9 months later...

    • @D_6660
      @D_6660 4 ปีที่แล้ว +32

      @@Olv_Matheus later at the gun factory " my gods what have we done "

    • @argenisjimenez8118
      @argenisjimenez8118 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@D_6660 factory? or shed?

    • @savagebuilder4264
      @savagebuilder4264 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@argenisjimenez8118 the floor of the kitchen sounds about right

    • @TalenGryphon
      @TalenGryphon 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      "What am I, papa?"
      "Good question"

  • @lwilton
    @lwilton 8 ปีที่แล้ว +678

    That looks like something that would have been the result of a five-part do it yourself series in Popular Mechanics in the late 1940s or early 1950s.

    • @Vikingwerk
      @Vikingwerk ปีที่แล้ว +7

      6 part series, but only 5 parts were ever published, explaining the missing firing pin etc. 😂😂

  • @animusfoxx6965
    @animusfoxx6965 9 ปีที่แล้ว +51

    This seriously is cool. I'm pretty disappointed that we didn't get to see how the whole thing works, due to the missing firing pin housing, but wow. This thing really is a work of art

  • @gilburtfilburt8779
    @gilburtfilburt8779 9 ปีที่แล้ว +840

    God, I would love to take this and reverse-engineer it. Fix the bolt, make more of them.

    • @rustylord_met2132
      @rustylord_met2132 9 ปีที่แล้ว +40

      gilburtfilburt please do, id buy one right now.

    • @superbroadcaster
      @superbroadcaster 6 ปีที่แล้ว +69

      Agreed, I'm actually talking to a smith about building a functional reproduction and hopefully people pick up on automatic revolvers as a consequence haha

    • @GrexTheCrabasitor
      @GrexTheCrabasitor 5 ปีที่แล้ว +49

      and only be able to sell them to steampunk weebs because it might actually be an unpleasant gun to own lol

    • @Renaissance-fw1ox
      @Renaissance-fw1ox 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Hell yeah somebody needs to mass produce these the only problem is it’s automatic

    • @nickbutler9831
      @nickbutler9831 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Same here. Thats a really cool thing

  • @Ulvetann
    @Ulvetann 4 ปีที่แล้ว +238

    "There is an open void... ...for something..." -So even with missing parts the handgun ways over 6 kg. No wonder they only made one.

    • @antekknapek4635
      @antekknapek4635 4 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      i mean the full auto part would help with keeping it up

    • @InvidiousIgnoramus
      @InvidiousIgnoramus 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@antekknapek4635 I'm sorry, where did you get full auto from? I don't think you understand how auto revolvers work.

    • @ajeje1996
      @ajeje1996 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@InvidiousIgnoramus To be fair this really isn't an auto revolver

    • @InvidiousIgnoramus
      @InvidiousIgnoramus 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@ajeje1996 to be fair it's still not full auto.

    • @somewhereelse1235
      @somewhereelse1235 4 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      @@InvidiousIgnoramus To be fair it really isn't a revolver either. It's some monstrosity of a gun that just looks neat and probably performed like crap when in one piece.

  • @Marciemae
    @Marciemae 4 ปีที่แล้ว +68

    I love how his content hasn’t changed in 6 years

    • @bigbeefscorcho
      @bigbeefscorcho 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Like they say, don’t mess with perfection!

  • @nikolayankulov1300
    @nikolayankulov1300 5 ปีที่แล้ว +224

    Sometime in the 20th century:
    Someone: Hey Dan, I've heard that you are very good gunsmith. I bet you can't make a gun that combines revolver with a semiautomatic pistol!
    Dan: Just watch!
    Ian in the 21st century:
    WTF is that gun and what was its purpose?!

  • @aleramone23
    @aleramone23 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1330

    It looks like something i can get from a raider while im traveling on the wasteland.

    • @karigreyd2808
      @karigreyd2808 8 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Alejandro Medina I thinking the same thing.

    • @spades1171
      @spades1171 7 ปีที่แล้ว +27

      Alejandro Medina okay this literally looks like something I would find in Fallout like jokes aside it literally looks like this gun was supposed to be in the game but they forgot I'm dead serious LOL.

    • @andrewborges7768
      @andrewborges7768 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      LOL you're not kidding

    • @jasonarmstrong5750
      @jasonarmstrong5750 7 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Alejandro Medina or Ghost in the Shell

    • @brabhamfreaman166
      @brabhamfreaman166 7 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Alejandro Medina No shit. Pretty sure I've paid an exorbitant number of bottle caps, a perfectly good, functioning auto-rifle and not a trivial number of 'favors' for exactly this in Fallout too - sorry to give up the illusion of reality/fantasy by invoking the game to which you so subtly refer.

  • @thepariah3516
    @thepariah3516 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1194

    If this gun could talk, I would love to hear it's story.

    • @borismuller86
      @borismuller86 8 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      Really? A talking gun would be terrifying!

    • @thepariah3516
      @thepariah3516 8 ปีที่แล้ว +44

      ***** I have, that gun was pretty fucking annoying.

    • @quistan2
      @quistan2 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Or hilarious, CoughSledgehammer

    • @indiomoustafa2047
      @indiomoustafa2047 6 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Probably not much besides sitting in a box somewhere. Looks like its hardly been used.

    • @resurectiondelpantion9268
      @resurectiondelpantion9268 5 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      I would LOVE to hear from THAT gun!!!!!!!! ONLY IF.......it sounds exactly like the Bane

  • @mulgerbill
    @mulgerbill 4 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    Nigh on six years ago and this shows up in recommended. Some observations...
    1, The Forgotten Weapons theme is still a sweet piece of music
    2, Ian has found the fountain of youth
    3, This Old Tony used his lathe to travel back in time to build a pistol HIS way but forgot his camera

    • @antonius7851
      @antonius7851 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Nice reference. Is it from JoJo´s

  • @ChaseThePinballWizard
    @ChaseThePinballWizard 4 ปีที่แล้ว +77

    i don't know how it can look so old, yet so futuristic...

    • @seanfernandolopez9139
      @seanfernandolopez9139 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      It blends well to games like Fallout

    • @federicosveglia7082
      @federicosveglia7082 ปีที่แล้ว

      This is the gun used by every actor in western action films. That is how they can shoot 18 rounds before reloading.

  • @Michael_Smith-Red_No.5
    @Michael_Smith-Red_No.5 9 ปีที่แล้ว +557

    It really looks like something Doc Brown would've invented, while stuck in the 1800's.

    • @JohnSmith-cl3ez
      @JohnSmith-cl3ez 9 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Michael Smith well said, Maul.

    • @JohnSmith-cl3ez
      @JohnSmith-cl3ez 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      *****
      jingleheimer? no...
      i appreciate the reference though.
      it is only part of what I seldom do.
      nor J.L Smith, the famous flying Smith...
      though, the smith are a nom-de-plume/guerre clan of many...
      though we digress eh?
      as M Smith already observe, how awesome would it be to see Chris Lloyd with this item? or perhaps, to see a similar item in Firefly or in Nuka-Break?

    • @Michael_Smith-Red_No.5
      @Michael_Smith-Red_No.5 8 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      John Smith It would've been very nice to have seen this piece in Firefly. With the reboot underway, perhaps we shall, after all.

  • @Malpaise_Legate
    @Malpaise_Legate 6 ปีที่แล้ว +404

    *sees "revolver" in thumbnail*
    "What in the goddamn...?"

    • @midgetman4206
      @midgetman4206 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @BeTheDeathOfMe wait what?

    • @CarlosJunior-pu3up
      @CarlosJunior-pu3up 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @BeTheDeathOfMe A little late to the party, but I found something similar to that:
      funnyjunk.com/channel/----ing-guns/Gun++comp/bDBNLoQ/30

    • @olbradley
      @olbradley 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      *Oh hello Benny.*

    • @anthonychin8610
      @anthonychin8610 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Ain't that a kick in the head?

    • @Master_Of_The_Universe
      @Master_Of_The_Universe 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      "Benny, you gotta see this!"

  • @kirkmooneyham
    @kirkmooneyham 4 ปีที่แล้ว +49

    Very disappointed that it wasn't complete. Seems like some sort of "proof of concept" engineering sample.

    • @steirqwe7956
      @steirqwe7956 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      I suspect it was complete at some point and missing chunk is a result of malfunction.

  • @eriklorentzen6510
    @eriklorentzen6510 4 ปีที่แล้ว +34

    This shit absolutely gets me going.
    The mystery, the design, the steampunk awesomeness. All the questions, who made it. Why.
    Immediately I’m thinking of a plot line to a Cthulhu noir novel, a mad engineer thrust into the lovecraft world, and inspired to craft new weapons to defend himself. Unimpressed by the performance of 5-6 shot .38 revolvers of the day, inspired by the operation of larger artillery pieces, he modified a revolver frame into a semi automatic, clock spring wound cylindrical magazine holding 10-12 rounds of 7.62x25 Mauser or Tokarev ammunition. A home made, C-96 inspired, revolver modification project if you will.
    Used to defend himself and hunt the servants of the greater evil, with hardened carapaces and thick muscle, and often traveling in packs.
    What an absolutely fascinating piece.

  • @dukehazzerd2600
    @dukehazzerd2600 4 ปีที่แล้ว +147

    This revolver reminds me of a cursed gun comic of a person loading a revolver like a glock

    • @d3vitron779
      @d3vitron779 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      H o w

    • @dukehazzerd2600
      @dukehazzerd2600 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@d3vitron779 have you seen the comic, if not then find it

    • @brunneng38
      @brunneng38 4 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      Your comment made me think of the “pump action double barrel” shotguns I’ll sometimes see in cartoons or comics.

    • @dukehazzerd2600
      @dukehazzerd2600 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@brunneng38 disgusting

    • @brunneng38
      @brunneng38 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Duke Hazzerd2 😂

  • @talotway
    @talotway 9 ปีที่แล้ว +1482

    something straight outta fallout

    • @1337penguinman
      @1337penguinman 9 ปีที่แล้ว +27

      Drew Smith I was thinking more along the lines of Mal Reynolds gun from Firefly.

    • @RamsesTheFourth
      @RamsesTheFourth 9 ปีที่แล้ว +29

      +john weitzel "That gun" is gun from Blade Runner.

    • @Rick1885
      @Rick1885 8 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      to me it screams borderlands

    • @jlindsey9946
      @jlindsey9946 7 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Reminds me of "That Gun" that Cliff Briscoe sells in Novac in fallout new vegas

    • @chrisbaker5439
      @chrisbaker5439 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      talotway hey i love that gun

  • @parabellum_arms
    @parabellum_arms 10 ปีที่แล้ว +236

    Are you planning checking out that 30-shot revolver that's also up for auction? That thing sure is another piece of mechanical wizardry...

    • @ForgottenWeapons
      @ForgottenWeapons  10 ปีที่แล้ว +93

      I looked at it, but didn't have time for a video on it. Sorry.

    • @parabellum_arms
      @parabellum_arms 10 ปีที่แล้ว +27

      Nonetheless, I'm thrilled you did a video about this, uh, thing. Keep up the great work, Ian.

    • @lioncelica5170
      @lioncelica5170 10 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Ahmed Sabbagh It is indeed a real firearm, yes.

    • @jayswing8320
      @jayswing8320 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      I’m literally subed to you

    • @planescaped
      @planescaped 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@vincedibona4687 No and, fuck no! "kid's these days" are the ones who frivolously toss around the term cringey over utterly inoffensive and benign things.

  • @kingharlaus1758
    @kingharlaus1758 9 ปีที่แล้ว +75

    This honestly looks like something out of the new Wolfenstein.

  • @jhyland87
    @jhyland87 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Shame that there's no info known about who created it. Clearly put a lot of care and effort into it, and it's a pretty amazing artifact.

  • @PygmyO
    @PygmyO ปีที่แล้ว +5

    It's crazy to see how, at one point, in time, inventors really pushed the envelope with design and function

  • @gordonlawrence3537
    @gordonlawrence3537 8 ปีที่แล้ว +158

    One way of getting a slightly better idea if the owner wanted to get detail would be to get the steel analysed. Steel is constantly changing and all sorts of metals are added (as well as varying amounts of carbon) and the composition could give an earliest possible date. The rounds it was designed for might give a clue as would close examination of fixings such as screws. Between 1860 or there abouts and about 1970 screw sizes tolerances and TPI were changing a lot. The threads alone could give an earliest possible date. EG if it has SAE threads it would have to be post 1912 (extremely likely anyway), but if it has for example UNF threads it would have to be post 1950. Just an idea and it wouldn't give a very accurate date unless it does use UNF/UNC in which date it could be narrowed to an 8 year window.

    • @palarious
      @palarious 8 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Smart.

    • @desepticon4
      @desepticon4 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Your assuming the screws are not custom made as well.

    • @ThePandafriend
      @ThePandafriend 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@desepticon4 You still use a standardized tool for making the screws.

    • @HappyBeezerStudios
      @HappyBeezerStudios 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Why make your own screws, when it's one of the easiest part that can be sourced from a store. Making your own custom screws is work, but buying a pack and a fitting threading tool is way easier.
      Also don't forget that starting in the 40's/50's there is an increase in background radiation from surface nuclear tests. That has an impact on things like carbon dating. There are even some who source steel from sunken pre-WWII ships, because they still have a different radiation profile.

    • @michaelarmbruster586
      @michaelarmbruster586 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      If owner would allow it shroud of Turin firearm

  • @quistan2
    @quistan2 7 ปีที่แล้ว +52

    "Son your great great grandpa was steampunk before it was cool"

  • @donniemontoya9300
    @donniemontoya9300 5 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    I am in love with the look of this thing. It looks like it belongs simultaneously in blade runner, wild west, and fallout.

    • @HappyBeezerStudios
      @HappyBeezerStudios 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Post-apocalyptic cyber cowboys!

    • @kingofjs
      @kingofjs 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      In other words, it belongs in New vegas

  • @cyrilgigee4630
    @cyrilgigee4630 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I'm glad I'm not the only one that thinks this thing is absolutely gorgeous.

    • @ArdentPardy
      @ArdentPardy ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I don't know about gorgeous in its current - or viewed 8 years ago - condition, but it's definitely interesting enough that I'd like to see one completed and functioning.

  • @RetroPlus
    @RetroPlus 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That looks beautiful, the craftsmanship is incredible. Whoever made that is a master of craftsmanship.

  • @Mongo63a
    @Mongo63a 10 ปีที่แล้ว +181

    Looks like there was a rear tilting locking block that is missing. It may have locked the slide and breach block together for the short recoil phase and after moving back it then unlocked the rear by raising it out of the two rear notches on top (I'm assuming that the rear notch on the right side has been sheared away at some point). The firing pin transfer bar would be in this locking piece and part of the safety of the design would be that it if was not locked the transfer bar would not be in line with the hammer.

    • @ForgottenWeapons
      @ForgottenWeapons  10 ปีที่แล้ว +67

      That's a good catch - I didn't think about a locking block being among the missing bits...

    • @TonboIV
      @TonboIV 10 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      I had much the same idea. Take a look at the top. There's a lateral cutout on top of the bolt with a matching cut on top of the 'slide', but only on the left side. My guess would be that the right side used to match, but part of the notch was sheared off at some point, accounting for the void above the 'safety lever'. It looks like there's a large cross pin at the front of that slot in the bolt. Maybe the locking black tilted on that so that a projection on the rear dropped into those notches.
      Ian, if you can get another look at that gun, see if that void above the 'safety lever' looks like something broke off, and check for a camming surface sticking up into the slot in the bolt.

    • @adrienperie6119
      @adrienperie6119 10 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      My idea is different and simpler, it is that the barrel and the bolt aren't locked together per say but rather made to stay together for a while simply by design, first by the empty casing is forced to expand into a chamber that might have a notch cut in it like on some of those old pocket pistols I can't remember the name of which use the deformed casing to lock the bolt and the barrel together more or less by strong friction, this combined to the fact you can see on the video that the barrel travels its few millimetres back much easier than the bolt + barrel assembly later has to.
      Basically my theory is that by following the path of least resistance the force will simply take the barrel back through its small travel before taking the bolt back, but that could only work if there is a sufficient amount of friction between the brass and the barrel which would imply some kind of notch or pattern cut into the chamber.

    • @mfree80286
      @mfree80286 7 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      This is resurrecting a post from the dead, but I wonder if you had a borescope if a small hole could be found going from the bore in the rear barrel support down into that spring chamber... gas pressure would hold the block and barrel together long enough to be useful delay. It would eat springs, but this is someone's wild idea anyways so....

    • @markfergerson2145
      @markfergerson2145 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@mfree80286 Nothing wrong with Zombie posts.
      Do I spy a second hole in the bolt face below where the firing pin should be?

  • @PitviperXD
    @PitviperXD 8 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    It's sad seeing this interesting weapon in such a state. I would love to get my hands on it and make a new one to see how it performed and why it was forgotten.

  • @kendon81
    @kendon81 10 ปีที่แล้ว +243

    who ever buys that could make a fortune selling casts of it for the prop market for cosplay and steampunk sites.

    • @ForgottenWeapons
      @ForgottenWeapons  10 ปีที่แล้ว +81

      Not a bad idea! :)

    • @TheMohawkNinja
      @TheMohawkNinja 10 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      I'd totally buy a resin model of this.

    • @scribejackhammar
      @scribejackhammar 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Forgotten Weapons I'm getting a prototype feel from this pistol.

    • @bonnie1020a
      @bonnie1020a 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I’d pay handsomely for an airsoft replica of it.

    • @panzermacher
      @panzermacher 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      it looks like something straight out of Firefly.

  • @daniellamb1010
    @daniellamb1010 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This looks badass, is overcomplicated in basically every way, and I would buy one if they ever produced them

  • @angeleaterstudios1004
    @angeleaterstudios1004 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    The revolver for the average working man in the alternate universe of 1913. Every cybercowboy has one of these in the saddlebag of his motorcycle. I've heard the governor even has one with autosights.

  • @thecactiguy885
    @thecactiguy885 8 ปีที่แล้ว +83

    that pistol is absolutely gorgeous!!! it reminds me of the revolver from trigun.

    • @daltonkellebrew2236
      @daltonkellebrew2236 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Somebody said it! It kinda does doesnt it? makes you wonder if thats what they were going for in Trigun

    • @coryandrum
      @coryandrum 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@daltonkellebrew2236 You just need a blocky part on the front for your crystal that turns you into a plant.

    • @nutbastard
      @nutbastard 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Two things about Vash's gun - it fired from the bottom cylinder like a Chiappa Rhino, but it's also a Top Brake instead of the usual swing-out cylinder. If I had f-u money I'd have one commissioned in a heartbeat.

    • @angusmatheson8906
      @angusmatheson8906 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Shut up, weeb.

  • @projectiledysfunction2217
    @projectiledysfunction2217 10 ปีที่แล้ว +349

    I'm pretty sure this was made by a company called Jakobs, although I always liked their assault rifles better than their pistols

    • @FrumpyPumpkin
      @FrumpyPumpkin 10 ปีที่แล้ว +40

      I see whatcha did there.

    • @imbored742
      @imbored742 10 ปีที่แล้ว +91

      Remember, if it took more than one shot, you weren't using a Jakobs!

    • @tamlandipper29
      @tamlandipper29 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      HAHAHA

    • @dan0alda568
      @dan0alda568 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Well done sir

    • @tjbarke6086
      @tjbarke6086 5 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Preposterous. Their pistols are their best products.

  • @ILikeToLaughAtYou
    @ILikeToLaughAtYou 5 ปีที่แล้ว +234

    It’s giving off a kind of Bladerunner blaster feel for me lol

    • @tlshortyshorty5810
      @tlshortyshorty5810 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Ridog_ Same

    • @charlymacias5369
      @charlymacias5369 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Maybe like Blade Runner with Dieselpunk aesthetics

    • @xpndblhero5170
      @xpndblhero5170 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Definitely a post apocalyptic cowboy hat wearin' gunslinger type of gun but it takes the fang of a alien wolf as a firing pin or something straight out of Cowboy Bebop or Trigun.... LoL

    • @brertt8350
      @brertt8350 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@charlymacias5369 deiselpunk?

    • @charlymacias5369
      @charlymacias5369 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@brertt8350 yes, it fits the look.
      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dieselpunk

  • @theunknownandunsolved6963
    @theunknownandunsolved6963 5 ปีที่แล้ว +33

    So reminds me of a gun from Wolfenstein, or metro games. Very cool gun!

  • @mellinghedd267
    @mellinghedd267 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This plus the steampunk lightsaber and you've got one hell of a loadout

  • @HappyBeezerStudios
    @HappyBeezerStudios 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    The machining looks really nice. On first glace it's quite crude but all surfaces are smoth, no sharp corners, nice construction.
    I actually like the idea of a rotary magazine, makes for a compact gun, just manufacturing and maintenance would be pretty nasty.

  • @gambitraven
    @gambitraven 9 ปีที่แล้ว +452

    screams steampunk do they have a replica or a replica of gun that looks like it

    • @ForgottenWeapons
      @ForgottenWeapons  9 ปีที่แล้ว +61

      +gambitraven Nope.

    • @cauliervassallo6955
      @cauliervassallo6955 9 ปีที่แล้ว +54

      +gambitraven This was also most likely just an unrefined prototype weapon. A lot of shop floor guns have a similarly exposed and complex look before they are refined for mass production.

    • @_colnex_3635
      @_colnex_3635 8 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      full auto revolver is easy to make you need single action revolver and put the gas tube on the barrel. If you shot piston in gas tube move back and put the hamer back hamer rotate the magazine and hit the another bullet.

    • @SmeurkeDeKat
      @SmeurkeDeKat 8 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      +_Colnex_ Just mount the barrel and cylinder on a slide and use the recoiling mass to re-cock the hammer and rotate the cylinder, like Mateba does it. Putting a gas tube on a revolver..

    • @iota-09
      @iota-09 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      +SmeurkeDeKat the matebas don't shoot full auto tnough, only semiauto(i think that's what he wants)

  • @Kafkodesu
    @Kafkodesu 8 ปีที่แล้ว +317

    This looks like something you'd see in a fallout game.

    • @tinahunt3192
      @tinahunt3192 8 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      +ANx3h Or any post-apocalyptic/steampunk themed movie, game, TV series, ...

    • @Kafkodesu
      @Kafkodesu 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Tina Hunt Yeah.

    • @Mildcat743
      @Mildcat743 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      looks like a pipe revolver

    • @nickd1961
      @nickd1961 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      +ANx3h or a Mandalorian pistol

    • @Kafkodesu
      @Kafkodesu 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      nickd1961 If you altered a few aspects, it would look a bit like one.

  • @lsd-25ayahuascadmt7
    @lsd-25ayahuascadmt7 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    For how old it probably is, this is amazing. It looks crude of course, but I'm sure it wasn't completed. Man I would love to know more about this. Somewhere out there, alive or not, there is the person who created this.. and I'm sure it wasn't their first, or their last..

  • @coverfrequency2305
    @coverfrequency2305 ปีที่แล้ว

    That's a beautiful mechanism, weather worth it's complexity and function or not. It's the fact it exists. That bolt closing has a very satisfying sound. The sound is a big part.

  • @Echo_Reyes
    @Echo_Reyes 5 ปีที่แล้ว +37

    It looks like malcom renolds gun from firefly

    • @mysteriousstranger9920
      @mysteriousstranger9920 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I'll say this gun looks like it aims to misbehave.

    • @Ralnon
      @Ralnon 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      May well have been the inspiration for his pistol, it really does echo the design of this amazing piece.

  • @sharfufu
    @sharfufu 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Me: “Can we have the Mateba Autorevolver?”
    Mom: “No, we already have the Mateba Autorevolver at home.”
    The Mateba Autorevolver at home:

  • @juliodanks3143
    @juliodanks3143 8 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Makeshift weapons always look interesting and have personality but I would be terrified walking up on someone or trying engage in a firefight wondering if the damn thing will work when I need it to. Pull the trigger and it goes "click" and then the other guy pulls a factory mass produced and guns you down.

    • @HappyBeezerStudios
      @HappyBeezerStudios 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      That's why, if I ever were to make one, it would be a simple single-shot breach loader. Can't do too much wrong with that. At least not as much as with any type of self loading system.

  • @Z0mb3hHunt3r
    @Z0mb3hHunt3r 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    the firing pin was in a reciprocal toggle to allow cocking and allow the transfer bar to be struck. Thumbpiece locked the toggle's charging piece.

  • @TmSh212
    @TmSh212 ปีที่แล้ว

    I hope whoever bought this thing is a skilled and uniquely-thinking gunsmith who finishes what whoever made it started. It would be quite something to have a functioning example of what is without a doubt one of the most interesting handguns the world has ever know.

  • @codygranrud6212
    @codygranrud6212 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Everytime I rewatch an old episode I note that TH-cam has removed my like... so I just like it again.

    • @professordrmao6321
      @professordrmao6321 ปีที่แล้ว

      Sometimes its not them its just bad connection. Like on ebay ill add a listing to watched items, but it never actually did it

  • @daz211
    @daz211 4 ปีที่แล้ว +39

    This looks like a handcannon straight out of Destiny, I swear...

  • @salsalero1277
    @salsalero1277 5 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Call Jim West, he knows who built this gun, either Dr. Lovelace or Miguelito.

    • @terry7907
      @terry7907 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      That is the same person-Dr. Miguelito Loveless.

  • @nickolikrovesc5158
    @nickolikrovesc5158 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I know I’m five years late to this but god damn it looks like it belongs in a sci-fi movie

  • @Silver-hg8iz
    @Silver-hg8iz 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Wouldn't doubt this gun being the inspiration for the 10mm pistol in the original fallout game.

  • @paulshayter1113
    @paulshayter1113 6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I wonder if the guy that designed this went on to become an armourer/prop master for Firefly?

  • @c.a.mcdivitt9722
    @c.a.mcdivitt9722 4 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    This might sound a little silly, but is it possible that the part locking the barrel and recoil mechanism together was in the slide/firing pin assembly?

    • @kennmikos9120
      @kennmikos9120 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Late to the party, I know, but... that's clearly the case. If you pause the video around 2:06 th-cam.com/video/r7me_z0Qdcs/w-d-xo.html you can see that the notches in the bolt and slide line up perfectly, and a pair of lugs on the back of the missing piece would have fit right into them, locking the bolt to the barrel. The lever at the back would not have been a safety in that case, but a way to unlock the bolt for manual cycling. You can see that the lever's position doesn't really make sense for a safety, but it would be perfectly positioned to push up on one of those hypothetical lugs.
      I'm honestly kind of amazed that Ian didn't notice that.

    • @c.a.mcdivitt9722
      @c.a.mcdivitt9722 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@kennmikos9120 Good point! Only argument that I could see against that is the short travel of the lever, but it might have been spring loaded or simply been an unlock lever, requiring the user to flip up the part to actually disengage the lugs.

  • @Heidegaff
    @Heidegaff 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    So that is like the SCP equivalent of a pistol.

  • @theycallme_nightmaster
    @theycallme_nightmaster 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Good to see Ian finally getting a seat at the adults table this thanksgiving

  • @ditzydoo4378
    @ditzydoo4378 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This appears to be a shop prototype and appears to have a rotary magazine like the Mannlicher-Schönauer rifle produced by Steyr Mannlicher, so it can't be called a revolver like either the English Webley-Fosbery Automatic Revolver, American Union Automatic Revolver, Norwegian Landstad revolver, or Italian Mateba Autorevolver. The firing pin and it's associated striker extension as shown are missing. The caliber from a chamber casting would go a long way to at least pinning done probable countries of manufacture.

  • @triscitt
    @triscitt 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    the Fallout New Vegas vibe is strong with this one

  • @holyravioli5795
    @holyravioli5795 4 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    This is the most fallout looking gun I've ever seen.

  • @bulkhungry
    @bulkhungry 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I think we just found the US Military's replacement for the M9 Beretta !

  • @JonahDyer
    @JonahDyer ปีที่แล้ว

    The qualities been on par with modern videos since minimum 8 years ago. Dang, dude

  • @micahhawkins8233
    @micahhawkins8233 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    One of the most interesting firearms I've seen

  • @nieshteproductions437
    @nieshteproductions437 4 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Fudds when they see this:
    “oH yOu JuSt RuInEd A pErFeCtLy GoOd ReVoLvEr!”

  • @fbussier80
    @fbussier80 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    5:43 it seems to be a safety based on retaining the firing pin (wich is missing with it's cover).

  • @hood6743
    @hood6743 4 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    My only question is: How do you reload the weapon? Does it have have a speed loader magazine that prevents the slide from moving? So curious...

    • @SavCorp
      @SavCorp 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      He imagine reloading it and getting like pistol garand thumb

  • @dalemoss4684
    @dalemoss4684 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    It's got a great sci-fi western feel to it; I can just picture Jayne Cobb wielding it in a scene from "Firefly"

  • @HobbyProblems
    @HobbyProblems 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I absolutely love how’d this thing looks

  • @ciananmortem3127
    @ciananmortem3127 8 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    My guess would be that this is a blank firing movie prop from the 1950's, it looks vaguely familiar but I can't put my finger on it. The way the action was designed, plus the poor quality sights and elaborate mechanics makes me think this could possibly have been an old big-budget sci-fi prop.

    • @BreachingCharge
      @BreachingCharge 8 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      reminds me of the blade runner gun, but I don't think it was made as a prop

    • @Zorro9129
      @Zorro9129 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      An excessive amount of work would have to go into making such a prop.

    • @guerillarice1129
      @guerillarice1129 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Seems way too complex for a prop, why not just visually modify an existing gun?

    • @villepore7013
      @villepore7013 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@guerillarice1129 Yeah. Just take a existing revolver and slap some plastic parts to it just like they do with for example Star Wars.

  • @BrainEatPenguin
    @BrainEatPenguin 9 ปีที่แล้ว +127

    This NEEDS to be in fallout 4

    • @harley_o_thor
      @harley_o_thor 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      +BrainEatPenguin 1 not really, the most basic weapons we have seen from fallout so far in case of guns is the pipe guns which has regular cartridge ejection :P

    • @bloodedeagle
      @bloodedeagle 9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      +BrainEatPenguin 1 literally sent this video to my mate and said this before scrolling down to see this.

    • @BrainEatPenguin
      @BrainEatPenguin 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      ***** *it would be cool.

    • @harley_o_thor
      @harley_o_thor 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      BrainEatPenguin 1
      indeed :P

    • @scrimpin-y9n
      @scrimpin-y9n 9 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      +BrainEatPenguin 1 The way 10mm pistols are discribed in the orginal 2 fallout games is pretty much how this thing is suppose to work.

  • @rammuh1029
    @rammuh1029 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Who else end up here in 2020 during Corona quarantine?

  • @alfonsotobiasgamer4192
    @alfonsotobiasgamer4192 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This gun reminds me of “Landstad 1900” is a semi automatic revolver pistol that was made in Norway.

  • @derrickschneider6052
    @derrickschneider6052 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    you and paul harrell are about the only guntubers i care to watch

  • @ninjabaiano6092
    @ninjabaiano6092 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This gun was def the result of a gamble, where two drunk friends got the idea and made it for lolz.

  • @seetheforest
    @seetheforest ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Goth Bladerunner gun? It almost looks like a Starr Arms model 1858 frame and trigger but not quite..
    The Mateba 6 Unica and the Webley also come to mind..

    • @ArdentPardy
      @ArdentPardy ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I was getting strong Webley vibes from it

  • @Blitz98K
    @Blitz98K 10 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    looks like some kind of steampunk gizmo,lol, I guess the idea was to make a semi auto w/ a rotating magazine,wonder what calibre it is.

    • @ForgottenWeapons
      @ForgottenWeapons  10 ปีที่แล้ว

      Bore diameter is .45, but nobody has done a chamber cast to see which cartridge.

    • @Blitz98K
      @Blitz98K 10 ปีที่แล้ว

      humm possibly .455 webley,may be the platform for this idea was a fosbury /webley.still a very interesting design. great video.

    • @Imur_Huckleberry
      @Imur_Huckleberry 10 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      "Very steampunkish" I was thinking the exact thing!!

  • @XOIIOXOIIO
    @XOIIOXOIIO 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Aww, 6 years ago Ian wasn't even tall* enough to properly sit at the table, look how much he's grown!

  • @corashae2185
    @corashae2185 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This pistol is in Mark Serbu's private collection now. Incredibly designed mechanism.

    • @BasedBelkan8492
      @BasedBelkan8492 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      i wonder if he has a say on it, i'm very hoping he would but it's very very unlikely

  • @Tyler_Lalonde-
    @Tyler_Lalonde- 8 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    I wonder if Adam Savage watched this video. he would love it.

    • @scribejackhammar
      @scribejackhammar 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Don't give him any ideas Ian!

    • @PassiveDestroyer
      @PassiveDestroyer 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Ian, give him all of the ideas!
      Too bad he probably wouldn't let us know if he made any of them..

  • @acid3129
    @acid3129 10 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    what if its a weapon let by someone from the future that came back in time to the 1950s and something happens to them and the revolver get found that would be amazing

  • @DMSBrian24
    @DMSBrian24 9 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    That's some crazy steampunk/fallout gun right here...
    Someone take it apart and make a funcional replica please :v

  • @rubens.4116
    @rubens.4116 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Just as I thought, the cylinder was spring loaded. All that's missing is a fixed firing pin piece to fire this as an automatic. Unlike the Mauser pistol that uses clips to load the bullets, this one would require each bullet to be loaded one by one.

  • @Suileron
    @Suileron ปีที่แล้ว

    God i would love to see that thing operate, it seems like it would look so cool firing with that bolt and slide. Hopefully this makes its way into a video game or something!

  • @ShaddySoldier
    @ShaddySoldier 8 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    looks like its out of blade runner

    • @MisterBones2910
      @MisterBones2910 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      +ShaddySoldier
      That's what I thought of when I saw the thumbnail.

  • @paulkerr7320
    @paulkerr7320 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Looks like it should be in the next season of "The Mandalorian"

  • @Blight_750
    @Blight_750 9 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Do you know if that's the vey first automatic revolver ?

    • @ForgottenWeapons
      @ForgottenWeapons  9 ปีที่แล้ว +33

      +Eli Jaworski It is definitely not - the Webley Fosbery was developed right at the turn of the century.

    • @Blight_750
      @Blight_750 9 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Oh, thank you for letting me know

  • @Crusaderglenn
    @Crusaderglenn 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Holy,moly...This is one complicated son of a gun!Really like it though.I could fiddle with this all day long. :D

  • @prazcuray1388
    @prazcuray1388 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    That is by far one of the oddest guns I’ve seen ever up to this point, odd that it appears on my feed but yet oddly entertaining

  • @og3suso978
    @og3suso978 ปีที่แล้ว

    The starting pattern is iconic 😎👍🏻🍀

  • @philgamer_309
    @philgamer_309 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    That revolver looks absolutely BADASS

  • @HappyBeezerStudios
    @HappyBeezerStudios 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    It looks so complicated with all the little pieces on the outside. But it's nicely finished.

  • @spazmaticaa7989
    @spazmaticaa7989 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm not a gun owner or an expert on guns but this one looks sick and I would want one of these

  • @SonOfTheDevil666
    @SonOfTheDevil666 ปีที่แล้ว

    That is cool to bad it’s not complete. One of the best home made guns I have seen