I am still a fan of the magazines. I miss the outdoor life magazine. I think some of us older adults enjoy looking back through the pictures and articles.
I miss the magazines as they used to be. The paper was different, you could actually turn a page. They had good hunting stories. You could tell right away if you were looking at a story or an add etc. I go on Ebay and get Outdoor Life, Field and stream, and Sports Afield from the 1960's and 1970's just for good reading. Love the old adds also and who remembers Kleins of Chicago?
I came across a stack of outdoor magazines in an antique store and i bought several. They were all from 1969 to to 1971. It was like finding a gold mine. There were even articles written by the late elmer keith. ... i think the most upsetting thing is the price difference and the quality of the stuff for sale in the adds were much better than today. Political correctnness was not really a thing in those days.
I learned a lot about hunting from magazines there was no internet when I was growing up there was a few hunting shows on espn on Saturday mornings but that’s all I really had my family didn’t really hunt a couple small game hunters but only one uncle that hunted deer but he never took it to seriously so for me it’s all about those magazines I still buy one here and there
The .308 is a 600 yard deer round with 150 grain spitzers and will reliably take down elephant, rhino and cape buffalo with 220 grain solids. It has a wide range of factory loads and is easy to find worldwide.
Thank you, Ron! I share your sentiment with magazines. When I was a kid, we couldn't afford a subscription. I would ride my bike down to the librarian in the library of my town. She was kind enough to save all the outdoor life magazines as new months came. She would give them to me continually. Man, it sure was a treat to read Jack O'Connor! May God bless!
Thank you Ron, from a South African. For generations every kid in our family, its a big family, tasted first blood of plains game with a 223. Such a trusted little cartridge, minimal recoil, straight and flat on the old Bruno. Very safe for everything up to Impala. Larger plains game, including Eland, you cant go wrong with a 270 or 30-06. The ultra fast calibres present other problems when hunting African game. The magnum speeds tend to run through the animals, i.o.w. not exhausting its power within, leaving very little blood trail and animals running for miles and suffering. This includes engine room shots. Thank you sincerely for promoting South Africa as a hunting destination. Our industry of ethical hunting and game farming needs your support. Conservation, biodiversity and community prosperity benifits greatly from overseas hunters. I love listening to you, and you sharing your vast knowledge is much appreciated.
Thanks Francois. I've had great luck with 223, Fedewral 62-gr. Fusion bullets on duiker, steenbuck, dik dik, baboon, impala. Betsy's last eland bull went about 40 yards after 180-gr. Nosler Accubond applied to shoulder. I don't, however, agree with your assessment of magnums being too fast. I've addressed this common complaint many times before. The gist is this: the faster the bullet, the more energy it carries. The more energy with which it hits, the faster it expands. Expansion does not improve over time because as the bullet slows it's obviously losing energy (to friction.) Certainly bullets travel a few inches before they reach full expansion, but study ballistic gelatin tests and you notice that virtually all bullets reach maximum expansion at about 3 to 4 inches inside. They then carve a narrow wound channel until they stop. The less the bullet expands, the farther it penetrates. Any energy remaining after a bullet exits doesn't matter because during its passage it used its "excess" energy to tear tissue. You can't tear more tissue with the same bullet going more slowly. Increased expansion, however, can tear more tissue. Final analysis: bullet construction must be matched to impact velocity to maximize combination of expansion and penetration. Bullet remaining against hide on far side doesn't mean the animal absorbed more energy so much as the bullet was carrying less energy. Put another way, if one bullet strikes with 3,000 f-p energy and stops against hide and another bullet strikes with 3,500 f-p and exits and both expanded to same degree, the 3,500 f-p bullet put as much energy into the tissue. It just had enough left over to exit. Make sense? One must match the bullet to the anticipated impact velocity. At any rate, you are certainly correct about the 223, 270, and 30-06 as well as your commitment to conservation. Love hunting SA!
Just got done with my 1st Hunting Safari in South Africa. Kept it simple and took my woodsman in 300 win mag and it certainly did the trick and it did not miss. 2 blue wildebeest, 1 black wildebeest, 5 impala, 5 blesbok, 2 kudu. Best time of my life
Good topic Ron, I enjoyed your view. I live in WV, and I really like the 30 Cal family for Deer and black bear. The 30-30 has always been great for hunting forest area here. However, we can get shots out to three or four hundred yards, maybe farther on like an old strip mine or large field. So, my top three are 270, 308 and the granddaddy. 30-06. Any of these give you great performance and power to spear. I've hunted here for 50 years and rarely ever had to shoot more than two hundred yards. Most of the time I'm shooting less than fifty yards. Thanks, Ron, for covering this topic.
Great video Ron! I use a Nosler partition 140 grain spritzer for my 270 hand loads. This arrangement is about as perfect as it gets for me to shoot large game at ethical ranges. I would step the bullet weight to 150 for animals such as elk. I think this aligns pretty closely to your good advice.
The thing with hunting in South Africa is that some parts (like the Karoo) you have a chance to shoot between 20 & 350+ meters. So you want something that won’t mess up at any of those distances. Bullet construction is way more important than caliber (sort of)
Ron you say it a lot and you even had a video a few years ago but another video on bullet construction would be good. So many only care about accuracy and bullet grain.
Thanks Mr. Mr. (By the way, I really like your hit song, Broken Wings.) It probably is time for me to do another bullet construction video. Thanks for bringing it up. I believe the team has put the old one on RSOTV.com.
@@RonSpomerOutdoors-Podcast thanks for the reply. I’m about 5 years into hunting whitetail and hogs in the southeast. I had some failures with a certain rapid expansion ammo and that for me searching. So many only do accuracy testing. But your video and several from a guy called simple minded fella has me choosing different rounds. In short, no less than locked bullets. Looking into bonded loaded this year along with monolithic
I FINALLY found reloading components this past weekend here in Ohio. I saw bullets primers and powders on the shelf in a brick and mortar store. I was so happy. The prices were ridiculous and about 3 times what they were pre-ammopocalypse. I bought a couple items just to support the store but was SO happy to see it.
Where I live in the jungles of the South when you are in the forest you would be lucky to be able to see 30 yards, sometimes it is just 10 or less. You really gotta pick your spot and hope something comes by.
Gonna say hit a power line up north I can see 1000-2000 yards some times ..but I think you most likely won't shot past 250 ever ..I think my furthest was even in a huge 700 yard hay field and I think the shot was 200-210 at most
True centerline construction is simply all the components centered off one line of the bore of the barrel. This includes the barreled action seated in the stock along the center of the bore. It is a reference line used shaping the stock and drilling the butt screws to mounting the sling swivels. The centerline reference also insures centering the trigger guard and action screws. Rifle stocks are simple a series of straight lines making smaller equal flats that make a perfect shaped rifle. 🤔🙂
As an avid bullet caster, mainly magnum handgun and muzzleloader bullets, I tune my lead mix to suit my needs and have a pretty good understanding of what advantage different elements provide. I've often wondered why bullet manufacturers primarily use antimony to harden their "premium" hunting bullets? I wonder this because when antimony is added it makes the lead more brittle and subject to fragmentation whereas tin increases leads ability to expand while maintaining it's weight. There are even some people who introduce small amounts of copper (like .03%-.05% by weight) and claim that it really helps the lead hold together. I understand that antimony is by far the most cost effective way of hardening lead but it seems counterintuitive to make a bullet harder only to have it shed its weight apon expansion where adding tin or equal parts tin and antimony would/should maintain more bullet mass as well as support a larger mushroom without the need to bond the bullet.
I know in my area reloading supplies are low due to hoarders. Ive witnesses people who will buy up every can of powder in the brand they use in the store , even though its more than they'd use in 5 years. And they do it every time they are at the store.
Yup. Same with factory ammo. Most places in my area implement quantity restrictions when things get slim, but people will still come in every day and get the max. I was at Academy the other day to pick up some 5.56 or .223. it was all gone. I asked an employee if they had some in the back. They said that if it's not on the shelf, they don't have it. So I picked up some fishing hooks and candy for my kid. At the checkout, I found the ammo. This guy had apparently gotten everything off the shelf. I asked if I could get a box or two. He said, "sorry man, I need all of it". I almost punched him on the face. You know that he probably already has a massive hoard at the house.
I regret not buying a large supply of primers back when I knew what was coming. I just didn't expect it to last this long, but I should have. Knowing certain organizations that are against the 2A. I'm stuck with quite a bit of brass, powder, and bullets but no primers. Learned to reload first shotgun shells as a youngster. Later into reloading 308, 223, 9mm later 45 ACP, 380, 30--06.
Hey Ron,great show as always.I just want agree with you about hunting here in the east.I grew up in NC,and I currently live here in Northeast Ga on my own farm.Ive been hunting for 40 yrs most of it in these two states.I started off using a 30/30 but soon graduated to a 243.My favorite round so far has been handloaded 257 Roberts with 120 gr Partitions,but I've used a 30/06 probably more than anything,simply because I loved that rifle.Whitetails are not hard animals to kill,so many rounds are perfectly capable.The only thing I have found is,I prefer a bullet that will shoot thru the animal,leaving blood on both sides.And I agree with the idea of using a rifle that is capable of making a long shot,they just make more sense than limiting yourself to a short range cartridge,unless you always sit in a stand and know you will take a short shot.The one thing I do want to point out,is that unless you are a visiting hunter,there is no need for big heavy calibers,they just do to much damage.Thats why I loved the 257,it just didn't destroy as much as a 06 for example,but yet can reach across most fields and pastures to kill your animals.Yes there are some fields where you can shoot as far as you want to here in the easy,but most times I'd say 300 or less is going to be your range.Keep up the good work,enjoy your vids.
Sir, I live in Charlotte NC. I am looking into northeast Georgia or Highlands/Lake Jocassee SC AREA for hunting and living off grid on a farm like you. Do you offer visiting hunters a cabin and guided or friendly hunts? If so I am interested. I use 223 high grain HPBT monolithic solid copper rounds. I think we can learn from each other but more so, I want to know how you achieved my dream of owning a farm out here in the south. How old are you?
Agree it's great. Don't agree it sinks like stone. 180-gr. Nosler AcuBond at 2,750 fps, zeroed 3" high at 100 yards peaks 3.3" high at 150, drops just 4.5" at 300, about 18" at 400. It's no 30-378 Wby., not no stone, either. Unless you definition of stone is different from mine! Cheers.
Inre eastern whitetail hunting ranges. Personally, never had a shot further than 75yds at one. One of my uncle's rarely had a shot at a whitetail less than 100yds. For me it was .30-06, for my uncle, it was something in 6mm - he called it his laser beam. For us,it was all about scouting out a hunting area pretty thoroughly, tracking all year round to keep tabs on herd density, health, almost any opportunity to spend an hour looking/listening. Don't bother nowaday: he is gone last 10yrs and I'm a bit gimped.
This is why I'm leaning more n more towards a good muzzleloader, and stockpile as much powder and primers as possible. Bullets are the easy part. Can make those outa tons of repurpose materials. But primers especially and food stable powder is a different story. That makes sense to me. Easy n simple way to Kno u can at least feed yourself. Not good for self defense, the whole 1 shot thing. But for a food gun. AWESOME
been reloading most all my ammo for past 50 yrs but last few yrs been getting hard to find brass for one or my favorite rifles in 257 roberts-started using 270 brass reformed -not hard to make-guess we will need to do what we need to do-taught my son to reload years ago now he runs 2 dillon 1100's all electric and computerized-amazing to watch but over my head
@@hugosalceda1973 yes i know --the 257 roberts was developed from 7mm mauser also an excellent round but i dont have any of that brass but have lots of 270 and 30-06- either will work --i agree 7mm would be a little easier
There will always be the "what's the best" question and we know about opinions. What it boils down to is this If I am hunting squirrels I'm not using a 470 Nitro Express and if I'm hunting Rhino's I won't be using a 22 Hornet. Hope this helps LOL Decisions, decisions.
Indeed, gary. I think the value in posing the "best" question is the opportunity to compare, study, and learn. The more one does that, the more he/she discovers there are no absolutes but death and taxes. Even gravity varies.
@@RonSpomerOutdoors-Podcast Got to love all the calibers and cartridges. Brings on a lot of conversation at the hunting camp. '"nothing better than the old 30-30" "Why my 30-06" "Take my 270" well you've been there. LOL
I've had to really slow down on my 300 Win mag shooting as I'm finally down to my last pound of IMR 4350. With H4350 being Australian and not really coming into the country anytime soon the IMR 4350 is a very sought after large rifle powder and hard to find in central washington
simply pull the nato projectile with a collet die, your inertia puller will self destruct in 5 minutes or less, and simply replace it with similar weight, run it through a sizing die with decapping stem removed to push neck and shoulder back to saami spec, all done, make sure you do not have to force bolt closed or open, if you do the shoulder is to far forward, stop, do not shoot it
At the risk of sounding like a fudd, the .30'06 is good for just about anything that is not considered dangerous. This includes African plains game. It will cleanly kill all of these beasts at any reasonable distance.
I say it is ok for dangerous game in North America, I would not feel under gunned vs a Grizzly with one. Just select a tougher bullet for it. Maybe slow it down a little too, it is amazing how much bullets penetrate when you slow them down.
Definitely. My personal pick is a .308, but I will be rechambering it to .300 WSM in the future, to make life a little easier in terms of bullet drop/wind.
Take pride in sounding like a fudd, George. Fudds won WWII, broke the sound barrier, saved millions of acres of wildlife habitat, restored game to abundance, invented GPS and electronic digital computers, and perfected rock and roll. We "invented and nourished Ducks Unlimited, Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation, Wild Turkey Federation, etc. Created the 223 Rem., 284 Win, 7mmm Rem. Mag., 300 Win. Mag., Barnes X Bullet, Swift A-Frame, Ruger No. 1, Browning X-Bolt, AR-15... Let's see what Millennials come up with.
@@RonSpomerOutdoors-Podcast Thanks. Though not a Luddite, I tend to stick with what works for me unless I see a tremendous advantage in trying something else. I have a Remington model 700 BDL with a glass bedded barrel and action and a timney trigger that I've been shooting since I was 13. I have lots of confidence in this rifle and it's my go to for medium and large, thin skinned game. It has never let me down, even when my shooting was less than stellar, which is going to happen to anyone who is in this game for several decades.
Ron, what do you think about 150gr Nosler Accubond Long Range bullet in 270Win? Is it strong enough to hold up at short distances (=high impact speeds)?
The ABLR combines a tapered gilding metal jacket (thicker toward the shank and base) with a bonded lead core. It is designed to stay in one piece, so should easily hold up at 270 Win and even 270 Wby. and 27 Nosler MVs. I applied one to the neck of a whitetail buck once at 33 steps. It was the 168-gr. from a 7mm Rem. Mag. Penetrated clear through despite taking out major bones.
I don’t see video on best elk cartridge I got bad pinched nerve in shoulder aka can’t take more than 3 shots I’m looking at 25 06 or 260 rem or 257 weatherby ? At store box ammo. I can have hand loaded to tweak numbers I’m thinking 25 06 260 rem is just hard to find at stores
Whether you reload or not NEVER throw brass in the trash. It is always reusable or recyclable. We are all sharing the same supply. Throwing it in the trash makes things more expensive for everyone. Recycle it or give it to someone who wants to reload.
Keep protecting your rights in USA, here in Australia there is one state looking at banning re-loading due to "safety concerns" . I am in a different state and re-load all the time (so far). But have no idea where this will end. We don't even have a automatic right to self defense in OZ, crazy times.
I fish a lot as well as hunt a lot. As I have gotten older I tend to fish more. As for the "Gun Writing," its been an endless regurgitation of the same old same old since we started writing about guns in the late 1880s and you can bet mention the 7mm Mauser, in the first sentence is going to be a Scotsman that shot some elephants in the years before WW_I. You know full well about that Ron. Most of it is pure crap, but there are some gifted writers on the subject and there were guys that you read that was semi-literate, but then forgot more about guns and hunting than most people know, ole Elmer comes to mind and the College Professor by the name of Jack. Then there is the Englishman you can name your poison there.
George, there have always been prevaricators, embellishers, and outright liars in outdoor writing. Sorting them out can be challenging. But I've never heard the tales of Bell questioned. He hauled in the ivory, bought the 275 Rigby rifles and ammo, and proved his hunting and shooting skills around the world before and after WW1. His writing looks authentic to me, as does his reputation. I'm not sure your point here, my friend. Is it to delegitimize all outdoor/gun writers or all but Elmer and Jack? Or just remind all of us to take things with a grain of salt? One thing veterans like you and I must remember, however, is that not every reader/watcher knows what we know. New folks are born every minute. New shooters and hunters joined the ranks. They need this old information. And they need it from "gun writers" who've been vetted to some degree. The internet has thousands of self-proclaimed experts who've never hunted let alone shot a sheep, elk, moose, brown bear, eland, oryx, kudu, hippo, Cape buffalo, bison, muskox, cottontail. Someone with real world experience has to spread the word. Ignoring Bell and the 7x57 would be like ignoring the Lott and the 458, Roosevelt and the 30-06, Ruark and the 220 Swift, etc. etc. We study history as well as physics, learn, evolve, build on the past. Once this stuff becomes ho hum same old same old, it's time for us to go fishing! Just don't start reading the fishing magazines!
Any deer cartridge will work on boars. I've taken feral hogs with 22-250 Rem., 221 fireball, 358 Win., 300 Wby Mag., 270 WSM, and many more. It's more about the bullet and size of hog. Most turkeys are taken with shotguns and #4 to #6 shot, but in some states you can use small caliber centerfire rifles. a 22 Long rifle is fine for headshots.
Nope Ron look it up the original core lock bullet was actually the first controlled expansion bullet I believe it came out in the mid 1920s. It had a thick jacket that held together even under extreme circumstances until the bean counters figured out they could save a penny a bullet approximately by thinning the jacket. So it really gets me going when people don’t give the core lock it’s due and tell the truth about it being the original controlled expansion bullet. Now days the core lock ultra is pretty much the same bullet as the original. So who really had the first? My money is on the original core lock with the Nolsler partition being the better of the bunch in the mid- 21-century.
Doug, I did not know that about the Core-Lokt. I though the original was just like the ones I came to know in the 1960s -- essentially a cup-and-core bullet with cannelure squeezing jacket to core. But even if the original's jacket was thicker, I don't see how that would have significantly improved controlled expansion. Core could still fly out as I've seen with most cup-cores including those with a rim of jacket protruding into the core. Until you molecularly bond both or add wall ala Partition or go monometal, I don't think you truly get controlled expansion. Then again there is no specific definition for controlled expansion. Have you any evidence (photos, advertising copy, etc., old magazine reviews) describing that original bullet? Would be fun to see. Thanks for the info!
Hi Ron. Once again, good video but just something to bear in mind is that definitely in South Africa it is illegal to hunt any antelope with any center fire .22. (as opposed to licensed game croppers shooting small to medium antelope from a bench on the back of a 4x4 at night with spotlights). But that isn't hunting. A friend and I lost the entire last day of a Kudu hunt down in the Eastern Cape because the PH/landowner decided to take a shot at a fallow deer doe with a 223. I was skeptical of him carrying what I thought was a 243 to back us up on Kudu and when I saw the bullet blowup on the shoulder of the doe and then demanded to see which rifle he had I came close to hitting him. The previous two days he had been constantly running down my buddies Enfield 45-70 (315gr cast bullet at 2150 ft/s) claiming that "the bullet is to slow and will just bounce of a kudus skin" and then waxing lyrical about the awesome hydraulic shockwave killing power of the 223. We never did recover that doe and when we got back to the camp, we paid him, packed up and left. I've seen to many failures with the .223 its not a reliable cartridge for big game regardless of what ammunition is used.. Better for people to bring a 30-06 or 338 for non dangerous game. They work.
Man I hunt with 223, before I used to do it with 270, but I started using 223 for practice with a 221 fireball or hornet load and a hunting silencer, everyone who saw me hunt says that I use 22 lr with stinger ammunition but I resist, because I know that the 223 will have more precision. Natural life officers, rural police have sacrificed with 22 magum. Why do you say that a 270 for plais game is not enough, heck is it just one step below my 7 rem magnum and this one kicks much more??? that he doesn't know 110 tsx or 100 grain gmx exceed 3400 feet ??? heck my 85 grain load homemade tornorn point has 3800 feet a bc of .435
Best bullet weight for the .270... hmmm... I started with 150 gr. bullets and have stuck with them. Yes, 130 gr.'s have higher muzzle velocity given the same powder load and 140's would also be a bit faster than the 150's. But at practical hunting distances out to say 400 yards, bullet impact position (flatness of trajectory) is not all that much different. Kinetic energy at impact is important and the 150's have the edge in that department, again given the same powder load. Of course, powder loads are seldom the same. Whether it's for deer, elk, sheep or even the occasional moose, I simply stick with the 150 gr. bullets. I sight in at 200 yards and then measure bullet drops out to 400 yards. It keeps thing simple.
Good analysis and sensible approach, Stephen. Sticking with one bullet/load simplifies targeting, too. No confusion about which trajectory you're dealing with from hunt to hunt.
don't believe me but you're only looking at the bc, look at the 110 tsx. If you can get a turner to copy the back of the bullet that mecor balla in your rifle, you hollow it out. then you shorten it with a hand saw, and fill it with epoxy putty, giving it the shape, you will have an excellent flatter bullet with more speed
FMJ spitzer bullets (Pointed projectiles) are the answer for doing it all. The idea of frangible disintegrating bullets or mushrooming projectiles, it wasn't ment to cause maximum damage, it was rather to prevent over penetration so it doesn't cause secondary collateral damage. A frangible bullet (Projectile) in an impact will disintegrate and dump all its energy in a short cavity, preventing further penetration to exist the wound. In hunting world, frangible bullets were adopted for the same purpose, to prevent exit wound and not cause unnecessarily secondary damage. Frangible projectiles are not ideal for intentions to cause immediate or sudden death, they lose its energy on an impact and fail to penetrate. On the other hand, spitzer projectiles are the ideal to cause maximum penetration and lead to fatal death, due to their yawning and tumbling in a cavity contributing in tissue carnage, severe bleeding, and unpredictable exit wound.
Your's are interesting ideas, Slick, but contrary to what many bullet makers and F&G agencies tell us. FMJs, for instance, are such inconsistent killers that most jurisdictions to not allow them for big game hunting. Frangible (varmint) bullet are designed to break up quickly to create a large but relatively shallow wound pocket. Properly applied to the heart/lungs of a big game animal, they can kill quickly. But sometimes they break up before reaching the interior vital organs, thus are also illegal in many jurisdictions. Mushrooming soft points have been invented, reinvented, tweaked and modified every which way in an attempt to provide the best of both worlds: adequate penetration to reach the vitals with enough expansion to mimic the tissue tearing diameter of much larger calibers. You will see this mentioned if not highlighted in many ammo/bullet ads, but I can't ever recall an ad celebrating prevention of complete penetration. Barns TSX and TTSX bullets, for instance, are celebrated for the welcomed combination of reliable and significant expansion with deep penetration, usually complete pass through. FMJs have been mandated by the Geneva convention, I believe, because they do not violently rip and tear tissue. Yes, a bullet that tumbles in a body can and does rip and tear more, but this tumbling is more a result of the curved nose profile than a full metal jacket. I'm guessing you need both together to maximize the effect. This is why FMJ bullets engineered for straight line penetration on the biggest game are typically flat-nosed or round nose with little ogive. So, I think you're on the right track with the FMJ spitzer bullet being most likely to tumble, but a bit off on your reasoning that FMJ spitzers are the ideal big game hunting bullet. If they were, they would not be illegal is so many states. By the way, spitzer or spire point shapes vary significantly and are standard on most hunting bullets of all constructions: monolithic hollow point copper, lead core exposed soft points, hollow points, and protected points. Polymer tipped. Partitioned. Bonded. Inter locked, etc. To my recollection virtually no FMJ spitzers are advertised as hunting projectiles. Do I have it wrong?
To a degree, Perry. But there are immutable, universal truths, too. I can pretty much promise you that if you drop a ball it isn't going to fall up. And the thrill of hunting an elk can be the same today as 1898. Whitetail bucks respond to grunt calls and rattling antlers today as they did in 1770. Gravity still begins pulling all bullets earthward the instant they leave the muzzle. The Bible and Shakespeare's plays are long out of date, but their universal truths are not. Finally, old magazines are fun to read! They show us how things have changed, how they've remained the same, what we've learned and must relearn. Nevertheless, the magic era of magazine publishing is behind us. We are now in the digital, online era. I wonder if anyone will be able to access the blogs I'm writing on ronspomeroutdoors.com 50 years from now? Or will want to! Cheers.
I think he on to something with the primer issue. From a gun control perspective if you control the primer supply you could hold the entire supply of ammo!!! The only remotely easy primers to make are usually using corrosive primers. Of course this isn’t an issue for black powder but mostly it’s a bad situation.
223 for certain North American and African game? Sure. There's a whole new generation of monolithics that will dispatch either handily. Handload, and my answer is yes. Factory only? Depends on the target.
What I would like to see for Outdoor Content Hunting on Public Hunting Ground doing it yourself no guides, and just not Western States like Showing the Pheasant and Waterfowl hunting in SD,IA, or Quail in Kanas or Deer in MN or WI, MI.
I've written blogs on that at ronspomeroutdoors.com, Sha6mm. I think I did at least one video on it, too. If not, will be doing one after next fall's hunts. I've been taking my pheas, sharptails, ducks on public areas in SD, ND, KS, NE, etc. for decades.
Yes and no, yes it is better for varmints and not that good of a military cartridge. But is works wonders on small coastal white tail and pronghorn, I had good results on these two with the 223
People have been disparaging .223/5.56 as a military cartridge since the day it was adopted. However, considering that it has hung about for almost 60 years now, has been adopted by almost everybody who doesn't use former Soviet cartridges (and influenced one of those), and resisted every attempt to replace it before the recent adoption of 6.8x51 (which it will coexist with for the foreseeable future), it can't be *that* bad.
@@jic1 me, my friend’s and comrades had a my issues with the .223/556 in Afghanistan when we went up against the Taliban, to the point me and my comrades wished we had my 8x57 Mauser to deal with the houses, as the 556 was to weak to go through, the only thing that was even Semi good thing about the 556 was how much we could Cary. But when your going up against guns with similar ballistic trajectory in there ammunition 7.62x39, having something that would both out range and out pro form would have made it way easier to kill them
@@blueboltgaming52 Well you've got your wish now, in that the Army is adopting a full-power battle rifle cartridge specifically developed with increased penetration and longer engagement ranges in mind. Of course, that also comes with full-power battle rifle recoil, weight, magazine size, and ammunition carrying capacity...
These piggy backs your commenting that a reasonably flat shooting rifle like .308 will also shoot short distances. If we could only have what we "need" my Savage 99 .308 has killed deer, bear, elk, antelope, wild hogs, a once in a lifetime moose and where legal, has shot the heads off a few grouse. The closest deer were 5 and 9 steps respectively and running! I'm now in my 70's and like my 6.8SPC2's low recoil but would hunt shoot elk with it.
@@hugosalceda1973 lol! Their slow way of doing things works circles around the young men spinning their wheels! Lol! They're thinkin' Folk..... But they get things done, on a low budget. Backards, maybe....but still needed.
Ron, I’m an old guy. Probably older than you. In my opinion, online journalism stinks. Some of these people can’t even out together coherent sentences🤬 Sorry. Just a peeve of mine. These kids should have gone to school with a typewriter, and actually had to read what they wrote, like we did.
"A well regulated militia being necessary for the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." 2nd Amendment. I wish we had a well regulated militia. To my mind anyone and everyone who supports the Bill of Rights and can shoot straight is well regulated militia. I'm VERY liberal, unlike what you may have been told, read the definition of the term 'liberal'. That's me. Anyone who would violate anything in the Bill of Rights is a cowardly control freak, not a liberal. I love it that so many Americans are armed. I do not like Americans put in a position of being economically doomed, hopeless, expendable, forgotten, shut down, disrespected and trapped, which leads to mass shooting suicides. SOLVE THAT, but the collective punishment of weapons bans, of any kind, will only make the money hoarding psychopaths who own our government FEEL safer, but is illogical. “If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.” Samuel Adams.
I am still a fan of the magazines. I miss the outdoor life magazine. I think some of us older adults enjoy looking back through the pictures and articles.
Magazines helped me learn not only about the outdoors, but also helped me learn English. So I miss them just too!
There will always be a tactile sensation. Maybe a smell. Memories of a cup of coffee on the deck in the quiet morning.
I miss the magazines as they used to be. The paper was different, you could actually turn a page. They had good hunting stories. You could tell right away if you were looking at a story or an add etc. I go on Ebay and get Outdoor Life, Field and stream, and Sports Afield from the 1960's and 1970's just for good reading. Love the old adds also and who remembers Kleins of Chicago?
I came across a stack of outdoor magazines in an antique store and i bought several. They were all from 1969 to to 1971. It was like finding a gold mine. There were even articles written by the late elmer keith. ... i think the most upsetting thing is the price difference and the quality of the stuff for sale in the adds were much better than today. Political correctnness was not really a thing in those days.
I learned a lot about hunting from magazines there was no internet when I was growing up there was a few hunting shows on espn on Saturday mornings but that’s all I really had my family didn’t really hunt a couple small game hunters but only one uncle that hunted deer but he never took it to seriously so for me it’s all about those magazines I still buy one here and there
The .308 is a 600 yard deer round with 150 grain spitzers and will reliably take down elephant, rhino and cape buffalo with 220 grain solids. It has a wide range of factory loads and is easy to find worldwide.
Thank you, Ron! I share your sentiment with magazines. When I was a kid, we couldn't afford a subscription. I would ride my bike down to the librarian in the library of my town. She was kind enough to save all the outdoor life magazines as new months came. She would give them to me continually. Man, it sure was a treat to read Jack O'Connor! May God bless!
Thank you Ron, from a South African. For generations every kid in our family, its a big family, tasted first blood of plains game with a 223. Such a trusted little cartridge, minimal recoil, straight and flat on the old Bruno. Very safe for everything up to Impala. Larger plains game, including Eland, you cant go wrong with a 270 or 30-06. The ultra fast calibres present other problems when hunting African game. The magnum speeds tend to run through the animals, i.o.w. not exhausting its power within, leaving very little blood trail and animals running for miles and suffering. This includes engine room shots.
Thank you sincerely for promoting South Africa as a hunting destination. Our industry of ethical hunting and game farming needs your support. Conservation, biodiversity and community prosperity benifits greatly from overseas hunters.
I love listening to you, and you sharing your vast knowledge is much appreciated.
Thanks Francois. I've had great luck with 223, Fedewral 62-gr. Fusion bullets on duiker, steenbuck, dik dik, baboon, impala. Betsy's last eland bull went about 40 yards after 180-gr. Nosler Accubond applied to shoulder. I don't, however, agree with your assessment of magnums being too fast. I've addressed this common complaint many times before. The gist is this: the faster the bullet, the more energy it carries. The more energy with which it hits, the faster it expands. Expansion does not improve over time because as the bullet slows it's obviously losing energy (to friction.) Certainly bullets travel a few inches before they reach full expansion, but study ballistic gelatin tests and you notice that virtually all bullets reach maximum expansion at about 3 to 4 inches inside. They then carve a narrow wound channel until they stop. The less the bullet expands, the farther it penetrates. Any energy remaining after a bullet exits doesn't matter because during its passage it used its "excess" energy to tear tissue. You can't tear more tissue with the same bullet going more slowly. Increased expansion, however, can tear more tissue. Final analysis: bullet construction must be matched to impact velocity to maximize combination of expansion and penetration. Bullet remaining against hide on far side doesn't mean the animal absorbed more energy so much as the bullet was carrying less energy. Put another way, if one bullet strikes with 3,000 f-p energy and stops against hide and another bullet strikes with 3,500 f-p and exits and both expanded to same degree, the 3,500 f-p bullet put as much energy into the tissue. It just had enough left over to exit. Make sense? One must match the bullet to the anticipated impact velocity. At any rate, you are certainly correct about the 223, 270, and 30-06 as well as your commitment to conservation. Love hunting SA!
Just got done with my 1st Hunting Safari in South Africa. Kept it simple and took my woodsman in 300 win mag and it certainly did the trick and it did not miss. 2 blue wildebeest, 1 black wildebeest, 5 impala, 5 blesbok, 2 kudu. Best time of my life
Good topic Ron, I enjoyed your view. I live in WV, and I really like the 30 Cal family for Deer and black bear. The 30-30 has always been great for hunting forest area here. However, we can get shots out to three or four hundred yards, maybe farther on like an old strip mine or large field. So, my top three are 270, 308 and the granddaddy. 30-06. Any of these give you great performance and power to spear.
I've hunted here for 50 years and rarely ever had to shoot more than two hundred yards. Most of the time I'm shooting less than fifty yards.
Thanks, Ron, for covering this topic.
Thank you for the great information. Take care!
I Thank You Sir.
Great video Ron! I use a Nosler partition 140 grain spritzer for my 270 hand loads. This arrangement is about as perfect as it gets for me to shoot large game at ethical ranges. I would step the bullet weight to 150 for animals such as elk. I think this aligns pretty closely to your good advice.
The 223/556 is a good woods gun.
I use a 303brit and it shoots under an inch at 100m,ive shot from impala to wildebeest, kudu, gemsbok and red harterbees
Thank you, Ron that was great!
Thanks Ron for the video!
The thing with hunting in South Africa is that some parts (like the Karoo) you have a chance to shoot between 20 & 350+ meters. So you want something that won’t mess up at any of those distances. Bullet construction is way more important than caliber (sort of)
100% agree on the magazine argument. Very portable and accessible.
Thanks Ron, always nice to hear your insight to the questions posed by the general hunting and shooting public. 👍🏼
Ron you say it a lot and you even had a video a few years ago but another video on bullet construction would be good. So many only care about accuracy and bullet grain.
Thanks Mr. Mr. (By the way, I really like your hit song, Broken Wings.) It probably is time for me to do another bullet construction video. Thanks for bringing it up. I believe the team has put the old one on RSOTV.com.
@@RonSpomerOutdoors-Podcast thanks for the reply. I’m about 5 years into hunting whitetail and hogs in the southeast. I had some failures with a certain rapid expansion ammo and that for me searching. So many only do accuracy testing. But your video and several from a guy called simple minded fella has me choosing different rounds. In short, no less than locked bullets. Looking into bonded loaded this year along with monolithic
@@mr.mr.3301 You are wise to work with controlled expansion bullets of all types. I'm liking what I see from the Hammer monolithics.
I FINALLY found reloading components this past weekend here in Ohio. I saw bullets primers and powders on the shelf in a brick and mortar store. I was so happy. The prices were ridiculous and about 3 times what they were pre-ammopocalypse. I bought a couple items just to support the store but was SO happy to see it.
Thank you Ron for the double podcast tonight. Always enjoyable.
Where I live in the jungles of the South when you are in the forest you would be lucky to be able to see 30 yards, sometimes it is just 10 or less. You really gotta pick your spot and hope something comes by.
140 Nosler Ballistic tip is excellent on deer with a 270 Win.
Love what you do sir! Please keep it up!
Hey Ron as usual another great episode 👍👍
Lifelong fisherman checking in!
I'm in Maine ...best hunting I have ever had!! Makes it interesting
Gonna say hit a power line up north I can see 1000-2000 yards some times ..but I think you most likely won't shot past 250 ever ..I think my furthest was even in a huge 700 yard hay field and I think the shot was 200-210 at most
True centerline construction is simply all the components centered off one line of the bore of the barrel. This includes the barreled action seated in the stock along the center of the bore. It is a reference line used shaping the stock and drilling the butt screws to mounting the sling swivels. The centerline reference also insures centering the trigger guard and action screws. Rifle stocks are simple a series of straight lines making smaller equal flats that make a perfect shaped rifle. 🤔🙂
As an avid bullet caster, mainly magnum handgun and muzzleloader bullets, I tune my lead mix to suit my needs and have a pretty good understanding of what advantage different elements provide. I've often wondered why bullet manufacturers primarily use antimony to harden their "premium" hunting bullets? I wonder this because when antimony is added it makes the lead more brittle and subject to fragmentation whereas tin increases leads ability to expand while maintaining it's weight. There are even some people who introduce small amounts of copper (like .03%-.05% by weight) and claim that it really helps the lead hold together. I understand that antimony is by far the most cost effective way of hardening lead but it seems counterintuitive to make a bullet harder only to have it shed its weight apon expansion where adding tin or equal parts tin and antimony would/should maintain more bullet mass as well as support a larger mushroom without the need to bond the bullet.
Interesting observations, Slim. Maybe some others can comment on the questions you pose. Thanks.
Remington Premier 180 gr. Swift A-Frames seem to group well out of my Ruger 30-06.
I have 3 new boxes of those I bought years ago. Seams they switched to using the Sciroco 2 bullets now.
@@currituck I'm not sure if that's good or bad, but I've had mine awhile too. Never tried the Sciroco 2.
I know in my area reloading supplies are low due to hoarders. Ive witnesses people who will buy up every can of powder in the brand they use in the store , even though its more than they'd use in 5 years. And they do it every time they are at the store.
Yup. Same with factory ammo. Most places in my area implement quantity restrictions when things get slim, but people will still come in every day and get the max.
I was at Academy the other day to pick up some 5.56 or .223. it was all gone. I asked an employee if they had some in the back. They said that if it's not on the shelf, they don't have it. So I picked up some fishing hooks and candy for my kid.
At the checkout, I found the ammo. This guy had apparently gotten everything off the shelf.
I asked if I could get a box or two.
He said, "sorry man, I need all of it".
I almost punched him on the face.
You know that he probably already has a massive hoard at the house.
I just hunted a harvested and orex
I regret not buying a large supply of primers back when I knew what was coming. I just didn't expect it to last this long, but I should have. Knowing certain organizations that are against the 2A. I'm stuck with quite a bit of brass, powder, and bullets but no primers. Learned to reload first shotgun shells as a youngster. Later into reloading 308, 223, 9mm later 45 ACP, 380, 30--06.
Estate Sales often have reloading supplies , gotta negotiate prices. Rotsa ruc citizen
Hey Ron,great show as always.I just want agree with you about hunting here in the east.I grew up in NC,and I currently live here in Northeast Ga on my own farm.Ive been hunting for 40 yrs most of it in these two states.I started off using a 30/30 but soon graduated to a 243.My favorite round so far has been handloaded 257 Roberts with 120 gr Partitions,but I've used a 30/06 probably more than anything,simply because I loved that rifle.Whitetails are not hard animals to kill,so many rounds are perfectly capable.The only thing I have found is,I prefer a bullet that will shoot thru the animal,leaving blood on both sides.And I agree with the idea of using a rifle that is capable of making a long shot,they just make more sense than limiting yourself to a short range cartridge,unless you always sit in a stand and know you will take a short shot.The one thing I do want to point out,is that unless you are a visiting hunter,there is no need for big heavy calibers,they just do to much damage.Thats why I loved the 257,it just didn't destroy as much as a 06 for example,but yet can reach across most fields and pastures to kill your animals.Yes there are some fields where you can shoot as far as you want to here in the easy,but most times I'd say 300 or less is going to be your range.Keep up the good work,enjoy your vids.
You've assessed things beautifully and made good choices based on your experiences, needs, and desires. Perfect. Thanks for your kind words.
Sir, I live in Charlotte NC. I am looking into northeast Georgia or Highlands/Lake Jocassee SC AREA for hunting and living off grid on a farm like you. Do you offer visiting hunters a cabin and guided or friendly hunts? If so I am interested. I use 223 high grain HPBT monolithic solid copper rounds. I think we can learn from each other but more so, I want to know how you achieved my dream of owning a farm out here in the south. How old are you?
I use a 30-06 180grain because I can deer elk and black bear hunt with it. It's a great round, sinks like a stone after 200 yards
Agree it's great. Don't agree it sinks like stone. 180-gr. Nosler AcuBond at 2,750 fps, zeroed 3" high at 100 yards peaks 3.3" high at 150, drops just 4.5" at 300, about 18" at 400. It's no 30-378 Wby., not no stone, either. Unless you definition of stone is different from mine! Cheers.
You are right.. 223 will kill most of the antelope here in Namibia and South Africa, but 243 is a popular cartridge's here. I'm from Namibia.
Inre eastern whitetail hunting ranges. Personally, never had a shot further than 75yds at one. One of my uncle's rarely had a shot at a whitetail less than 100yds. For me it was .30-06, for my uncle, it was something in 6mm - he called it his laser beam. For us,it was all about scouting out a hunting area pretty thoroughly, tracking all year round to keep tabs on herd density, health, almost any opportunity to spend an hour looking/listening.
Don't bother nowaday: he is gone last 10yrs and I'm a bit gimped.
This is why I'm leaning more n more towards a good muzzleloader, and stockpile as much powder and primers as possible. Bullets are the easy part. Can make those outa tons of repurpose materials. But primers especially and food stable powder is a different story. That makes sense to me. Easy n simple way to Kno u can at least feed yourself. Not good for self defense, the whole 1 shot thing. But for a food gun. AWESOME
been reloading most all my ammo for past 50 yrs but last few yrs been getting hard to find brass for one or my favorite rifles in 257 roberts-started using 270 brass reformed -not hard to make-guess we will need to do what we need to do-taught my son to reload years ago now he runs 2 dillon 1100's all electric and computerized-amazing to watch but over my head
Easier to use 7x57 mauser brass.
Lots of PPU laying around. That is what I use for my 257Bob ackley.
@@hugosalceda1973 yes i know --the 257 roberts was developed from 7mm mauser also an excellent round but i dont have any of that brass but have lots of 270 and 30-06- either will work --i agree 7mm would be a little easier
@@hugosalceda1973 7.65 artien mauser to
argentine mauser 7.65 or 6,5 swedish
There will always be the "what's the best" question and we know about opinions. What it boils down to is this If I am hunting squirrels I'm not using a 470 Nitro Express and if I'm hunting Rhino's I won't be using a 22 Hornet. Hope this helps LOL Decisions, decisions.
Indeed, gary. I think the value in posing the "best" question is the opportunity to compare, study, and learn. The more one does that, the more he/she discovers there are no absolutes but death and taxes. Even gravity varies.
@@RonSpomerOutdoors-Podcast Got to love all the calibers and cartridges. Brings on a lot of conversation at the hunting camp. '"nothing better than the old 30-30" "Why my 30-06" "Take my 270" well you've been there. LOL
I've had to really slow down on my 300 Win mag shooting as I'm finally down to my last pound of IMR 4350. With H4350 being Australian and not really coming into the country anytime soon the IMR 4350 is a very sought after large rifle powder and hard to find in central washington
I must confess, the best cartridge for both is the 7mm. 7mm rem mag for the novice, 7x57mm for the expert hunter.
simply pull the nato projectile with a collet die, your inertia puller will self destruct in 5 minutes or less, and simply replace it with similar weight, run it through a sizing die with decapping stem removed to push neck and shoulder back to saami spec, all done, make sure you do not have to force bolt closed or open, if you do the shoulder is to far forward, stop, do not shoot it
At the risk of sounding like a fudd, the .30'06 is good for just about anything that is not considered dangerous. This includes African plains game. It will cleanly kill all of these beasts at any reasonable distance.
I say it is ok for dangerous game in North America, I would not feel under gunned vs a Grizzly with one. Just select a tougher bullet for it. Maybe slow it down a little too, it is amazing how much bullets penetrate when you slow them down.
Definitely. My personal pick is a .308, but I will be rechambering it to .300 WSM in the future, to make life a little easier in terms of bullet drop/wind.
My go to is my 180 game king. There isn't anything that I wouldn't drop in North America.
Take pride in sounding like a fudd, George. Fudds won WWII, broke the sound barrier, saved millions of acres of wildlife habitat, restored game to abundance, invented GPS and electronic digital computers, and perfected rock and roll. We "invented and nourished Ducks Unlimited, Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation, Wild Turkey Federation, etc. Created the 223 Rem., 284 Win, 7mmm Rem. Mag., 300 Win. Mag., Barnes X Bullet, Swift A-Frame, Ruger No. 1, Browning X-Bolt, AR-15... Let's see what Millennials come up with.
@@RonSpomerOutdoors-Podcast Thanks. Though not a Luddite, I tend to stick with what works for me unless I see a tremendous advantage in trying something else. I have a Remington model 700 BDL with a glass bedded barrel and action and a timney trigger that I've been shooting since I was 13. I have lots of confidence in this rifle and it's my go to for medium and large, thin skinned game. It has never let me down, even when my shooting was less than stellar, which is going to happen to anyone who is in this game for several decades.
Ron, what do you think about 150gr Nosler Accubond Long Range bullet in 270Win? Is it strong enough to hold up at short distances (=high impact speeds)?
The ABLR combines a tapered gilding metal jacket (thicker toward the shank and base) with a bonded lead core. It is designed to stay in one piece, so should easily hold up at 270 Win and even 270 Wby. and 27 Nosler MVs. I applied one to the neck of a whitetail buck once at 33 steps. It was the 168-gr. from a 7mm Rem. Mag. Penetrated clear through despite taking out major bones.
I don’t see video on best elk cartridge I got bad pinched nerve in shoulder aka can’t take more than 3 shots I’m looking at 25 06 or 260 rem or 257 weatherby ? At store box ammo. I can have hand loaded to tweak numbers I’m thinking 25 06 260 rem is just hard to find at stores
Whether you reload or not NEVER throw brass in the trash. It is always reusable or recyclable. We are all sharing the same supply. Throwing it in the trash makes things more expensive for everyone. Recycle it or give it to someone who wants to reload.
If you save your brass
It will save your ass.
Keep protecting your rights in USA, here in Australia there is one state looking at banning re-loading due to "safety concerns" . I am in a different state and re-load all the time (so far). But have no idea where this will end. We don't even have a automatic right to self defense in OZ, crazy times.
As long as you don’t over charge the powder and blow your gun up it’s fine. That’s kinda stupid Ant wants to ban reloading
I fish a lot as well as hunt a lot. As I have gotten older I tend to fish more. As for the "Gun Writing," its been an endless regurgitation of the same old same old since we started writing about guns in the late 1880s and you can bet mention the 7mm Mauser, in the first sentence is going to be a Scotsman that shot some elephants in the years before WW_I. You know full well about that Ron. Most of it is pure crap, but there are some gifted writers on the subject and there were guys that you read that was semi-literate, but then forgot more about guns and hunting than most people know, ole Elmer comes to mind and the College Professor by the name of Jack. Then there is the Englishman you can name your poison there.
George, there have always been prevaricators, embellishers, and outright liars in outdoor writing. Sorting them out can be challenging. But I've never heard the tales of Bell questioned. He hauled in the ivory, bought the 275 Rigby rifles and ammo, and proved his hunting and shooting skills around the world before and after WW1. His writing looks authentic to me, as does his reputation. I'm not sure your point here, my friend. Is it to delegitimize all outdoor/gun writers or all but Elmer and Jack? Or just remind all of us to take things with a grain of salt? One thing veterans like you and I must remember, however, is that not every reader/watcher knows what we know. New folks are born every minute. New shooters and hunters joined the ranks. They need this old information. And they need it from "gun writers" who've been vetted to some degree. The internet has thousands of self-proclaimed experts who've never hunted let alone shot a sheep, elk, moose, brown bear, eland, oryx, kudu, hippo, Cape buffalo, bison, muskox, cottontail. Someone with real world experience has to spread the word. Ignoring Bell and the 7x57 would be like ignoring the Lott and the 458, Roosevelt and the 30-06, Ruark and the 220 Swift, etc. etc. We study history as well as physics, learn, evolve, build on the past. Once this stuff becomes ho hum same old same old, it's time for us to go fishing! Just don't start reading the fishing magazines!
Do you ever hunt wild boar or turkey if so please tell me best caliber to do so. . .
Any deer cartridge will work on boars. I've taken feral hogs with 22-250 Rem., 221 fireball, 358 Win., 300 Wby Mag., 270 WSM, and many more. It's more about the bullet and size of hog. Most turkeys are taken with shotguns and #4 to #6 shot, but in some states you can use small caliber centerfire rifles. a 22 Long rifle is fine for headshots.
I use a 7mm08 with a 140 grain projectile for hogs and a 222 Remington for turkey.
Nope Ron look it up the original core lock bullet was actually the first controlled expansion bullet I believe it came out in the mid 1920s. It had a thick jacket that held together even under extreme circumstances until the bean counters figured out they could save a penny a bullet approximately by thinning the jacket. So it really gets me going when people don’t give the core lock it’s due and tell the truth about it being the original controlled expansion bullet. Now days the core lock ultra is pretty much the same bullet as the original. So who really had the first? My money is on the original core lock with the Nolsler partition being the better of the bunch in the mid- 21-century.
Doug, I did not know that about the Core-Lokt. I though the original was just like the ones I came to know in the 1960s -- essentially a cup-and-core bullet with cannelure squeezing jacket to core. But even if the original's jacket was thicker, I don't see how that would have significantly improved controlled expansion. Core could still fly out as I've seen with most cup-cores including those with a rim of jacket protruding into the core. Until you molecularly bond both or add wall ala Partition or go monometal, I don't think you truly get controlled expansion. Then again there is no specific definition for controlled expansion. Have you any evidence (photos, advertising copy, etc., old magazine reviews) describing that original bullet? Would be fun to see. Thanks for the info!
Does Core-Lokt ultra bonded still exist?
Hi Ron. Once again, good video but just something to bear in mind is that definitely in South Africa it is illegal to hunt any antelope with any center fire .22. (as opposed to licensed game croppers shooting small to medium antelope from a bench on the back of a 4x4 at night with spotlights). But that isn't hunting. A friend and I lost the entire last day of a Kudu hunt down in the Eastern Cape because the PH/landowner decided to take a shot at a fallow deer doe with a 223. I was skeptical of him carrying what I thought was a 243 to back us up on Kudu and when I saw the bullet blowup on the shoulder of the doe and then demanded to see which rifle he had I came close to hitting him. The previous two days he had been constantly running down my buddies Enfield 45-70 (315gr cast bullet at 2150 ft/s) claiming that "the bullet is to slow and will just bounce of a kudus skin" and then waxing lyrical about the awesome hydraulic shockwave killing power of the 223. We never did recover that doe and when we got back to the camp, we paid him, packed up and left. I've seen to many failures with the .223 its not a reliable cartridge for big game regardless of what ammunition is used.. Better for people to bring a 30-06 or 338 for non dangerous game. They work.
Man I hunt with 223, before I used to do it with 270, but I started using 223 for practice with a 221 fireball or hornet load and a hunting silencer, everyone who saw me hunt says that I use 22 lr with stinger ammunition but I resist, because I know that the 223 will have more precision. Natural life officers, rural police have sacrificed with 22 magum. Why do you say that a 270 for plais game is not enough, heck is it just one step below my 7 rem magnum and this one kicks much more??? that he doesn't know 110 tsx or 100 grain gmx exceed 3400 feet ??? heck my 85 grain load homemade tornorn point has 3800 feet a bc of .435
Primers are easily remade from fired primers very easily. Smokeless powder is easily made as well.
Best bullet weight for the .270... hmmm...
I started with 150 gr. bullets and have stuck with them. Yes, 130 gr.'s have higher muzzle velocity given the same powder load and 140's would also be a bit faster than the 150's. But at practical hunting distances out to say 400 yards, bullet impact position (flatness of trajectory) is not all that much different. Kinetic energy at impact is important and the 150's have the edge in that department, again given the same powder load. Of course, powder loads are seldom the same.
Whether it's for deer, elk, sheep or even the occasional moose, I simply stick with the 150 gr. bullets. I sight in at 200 yards and then measure bullet drops out to 400 yards. It keeps thing simple.
Good analysis and sensible approach, Stephen. Sticking with one bullet/load simplifies targeting, too. No confusion about which trajectory you're dealing with from hunt to hunt.
don't believe me but you're only looking at the bc, look at the 110 tsx. If you can get a turner to copy the back of the bullet that mecor balla in your rifle, you hollow it out.
then you shorten it with a hand saw, and fill it with epoxy putty, giving it the shape, you will have an excellent flatter bullet with more speed
FMJ spitzer bullets (Pointed projectiles) are the answer for doing it all.
The idea of frangible disintegrating bullets or mushrooming projectiles, it wasn't ment to cause maximum damage, it was rather to prevent over penetration so it doesn't cause secondary collateral damage.
A frangible bullet (Projectile) in an impact will disintegrate and dump all its energy in a short cavity, preventing further penetration to exist the wound.
In hunting world, frangible bullets were adopted for the same purpose, to prevent exit wound and not cause unnecessarily secondary damage.
Frangible projectiles are not ideal for intentions to cause immediate or sudden death, they lose its energy on an impact and fail to penetrate.
On the other hand, spitzer projectiles are the ideal to cause maximum penetration and lead to fatal death, due to their yawning and tumbling in a cavity contributing in tissue carnage, severe bleeding, and unpredictable exit wound.
Your's are interesting ideas, Slick, but contrary to what many bullet makers and F&G agencies tell us. FMJs, for instance, are such inconsistent killers that most jurisdictions to not allow them for big game hunting. Frangible (varmint) bullet are designed to break up quickly to create a large but relatively shallow wound pocket. Properly applied to the heart/lungs of a big game animal, they can kill quickly. But sometimes they break up before reaching the interior vital organs, thus are also illegal in many jurisdictions. Mushrooming soft points have been invented, reinvented, tweaked and modified every which way in an attempt to provide the best of both worlds: adequate penetration to reach the vitals with enough expansion to mimic the tissue tearing diameter of much larger calibers. You will see this mentioned if not highlighted in many ammo/bullet ads, but I can't ever recall an ad celebrating prevention of complete penetration. Barns TSX and TTSX bullets, for instance, are celebrated for the welcomed combination of reliable and significant expansion with deep penetration, usually complete pass through. FMJs have been mandated by the Geneva convention, I believe, because they do not violently rip and tear tissue. Yes, a bullet that tumbles in a body can and does rip and tear more, but this tumbling is more a result of the curved nose profile than a full metal jacket. I'm guessing you need both together to maximize the effect. This is why FMJ bullets engineered for straight line penetration on the biggest game are typically flat-nosed or round nose with little ogive. So, I think you're on the right track with the FMJ spitzer bullet being most likely to tumble, but a bit off on your reasoning that FMJ spitzers are the ideal big game hunting bullet. If they were, they would not be illegal is so many states. By the way, spitzer or spire point shapes vary significantly and are standard on most hunting bullets of all constructions: monolithic hollow point copper, lead core exposed soft points, hollow points, and protected points. Polymer tipped. Partitioned. Bonded. Inter locked, etc. To my recollection virtually no FMJ spitzers are advertised as hunting projectiles. Do I have it wrong?
@@RonSpomerOutdoors Hello Sir, I respect your opinion, it's always pleasant to watch your videos.
People need to wake up. It's never coming back the way it was.
I don't care what anybody says, the 30/06 will do in anything you want to go hunt, just have to use the right bullet.
My reloading supplier told me that his suppliers informed him that it would be 2024 be for we see any resemblance to normal.
Well that's not the good news we were hoping for.
No way 2024 is going to be normal, another Pres election year.
The problem with magazines is after they are printed the information is out of date things changes
To a degree, Perry. But there are immutable, universal truths, too. I can pretty much promise you that if you drop a ball it isn't going to fall up. And the thrill of hunting an elk can be the same today as 1898. Whitetail bucks respond to grunt calls and rattling antlers today as they did in 1770. Gravity still begins pulling all bullets earthward the instant they leave the muzzle. The Bible and Shakespeare's plays are long out of date, but their universal truths are not. Finally, old magazines are fun to read! They show us how things have changed, how they've remained the same, what we've learned and must relearn. Nevertheless, the magic era of magazine publishing is behind us. We are now in the digital, online era. I wonder if anyone will be able to access the blogs I'm writing on ronspomeroutdoors.com 50 years from now? Or will want to! Cheers.
Africa antilope arent tougher than any other, they just tend to do a bit of a run after they get hit in the heart
I grew up in SD too, where were you born if you don't mind saying?
I think he on to something with the primer issue. From a gun control perspective if you control the primer supply you could hold the entire supply of ammo!!!
The only remotely easy primers to make are usually using corrosive primers. Of course this isn’t an issue for black powder but mostly it’s a bad situation.
There is a new plant opening in Texas. We'll see.
223 for certain North American and African game? Sure. There's a whole new generation of monolithics that will dispatch either handily. Handload, and my answer is yes. Factory only? Depends on the target.
What I would like to see for Outdoor Content Hunting on Public Hunting Ground doing it yourself no guides, and just not Western States like Showing the Pheasant and Waterfowl hunting in SD,IA, or Quail in Kanas or Deer in MN or WI, MI.
I've written blogs on that at ronspomeroutdoors.com, Sha6mm. I think I did at least one video on it, too. If not, will be doing one after next fall's hunts. I've been taking my pheas, sharptails, ducks on public areas in SD, ND, KS, NE, etc. for decades.
My god finding shotgun primers for my in-line muzzleloader is impossible!!!
Brownell's. $70 per 1,000.
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as soon as I read the heading I was disgusted 223 is for varmints and a stupid military round
Yes and no, yes it is better for varmints and not that good of a military cartridge. But is works wonders on small coastal white tail and pronghorn, I had good results on these two with the 223
I've killed pretty near everything that walked on the ranch with a 222 remington and 52 grain hollow point. Still carrying that gun in the truck.
People have been disparaging .223/5.56 as a military cartridge since the day it was adopted. However, considering that it has hung about for almost 60 years now, has been adopted by almost everybody who doesn't use former Soviet cartridges (and influenced one of those), and resisted every attempt to replace it before the recent adoption of 6.8x51 (which it will coexist with for the foreseeable future), it can't be *that* bad.
@@jic1 me, my friend’s and comrades had a my issues with the .223/556 in Afghanistan when we went up against the Taliban, to the point me and my comrades wished we had my 8x57 Mauser to deal with the houses, as the 556 was to weak to go through, the only thing that was even Semi good thing about the 556 was how much we could Cary. But when your going up against guns with similar ballistic trajectory in there ammunition 7.62x39, having something that would both out range and out pro form would have made it way easier to kill them
@@blueboltgaming52 Well you've got your wish now, in that the Army is adopting a full-power battle rifle cartridge specifically developed with increased penetration and longer engagement ranges in mind. Of course, that also comes with full-power battle rifle recoil, weight, magazine size, and ammunition carrying capacity...
Nothing less than 300wsm
These piggy backs your commenting that a reasonably flat shooting rifle like .308 will also shoot short distances. If we could only have what we "need" my Savage 99 .308 has killed deer, bear, elk, antelope, wild hogs, a once in a lifetime moose and where legal, has shot the heads off a few grouse. The closest deer were 5 and 9 steps respectively and running! I'm now in my 70's and like my 6.8SPC2's low recoil but would hunt shoot elk with it.
Problem, If you can't get the components..then your screwed.
Yes therefore we will have to make our own black power, go back to mussal loaders.
I say do away with primers and set the charge of with a 9 volt battery.
An American will figure it out. probably already have, and will.
Christ bless!
It's been done with black powder only..
Seen it with own very eyes. Works great 👍
@@hugosalceda1973 The hillbillies will be doing it with smokeless soon! Lol!
Watch!
@@hawknives won't doubt it..
Them fellas have more time in their hands, than me in the toilet
Remington did it about 15 years ago
@@hugosalceda1973 lol!
Their slow way of doing things works circles around the young men spinning their wheels! Lol!
They're thinkin' Folk..... But they get things done, on a low budget.
Backards, maybe....but still needed.
Ron, I’m an old guy. Probably older than you. In my opinion, online journalism stinks. Some of these people can’t even out together coherent sentences🤬 Sorry. Just a peeve of mine. These kids should have gone to school with a typewriter, and actually had to read what they wrote, like we did.
You're not alone.
"A well regulated militia being necessary for the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." 2nd Amendment. I wish we had a well regulated militia. To my mind anyone and everyone who supports the Bill of Rights and can shoot straight is well regulated militia. I'm VERY liberal, unlike what you may have been told, read the definition of the term 'liberal'. That's me. Anyone who would violate anything in the Bill of Rights is a cowardly control freak, not a liberal. I love it that so many Americans are armed. I do not like Americans put in a position of being economically doomed, hopeless, expendable, forgotten, shut down, disrespected and trapped, which leads to mass shooting suicides. SOLVE THAT, but the collective punishment of weapons bans, of any kind, will only make the money hoarding psychopaths who own our government FEEL safer, but is illogical. “If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.” Samuel Adams.
Nope
This click bait pulled me from the ragged edges of Covid to comment. No. 223 is not enough for anything more than snakes and maybe squirrels.
Gird your loins, Hrdrock. Incoming fire.
Some Vietcong, Iraqis, Afghanis,, and numerous others would disagree with your comment. Well, let me clarify, they would if they were still alive.
@@rationalmind6362 you can also die from sharpened sticks. Let's start all over with rocks.....5.56 sucks.
There’s a pile of deer and wild hogs that would disagree too.
@@gsnicholas8522 same answer. Buncha animals killed by cliffs. Should I buy a horse and start heading my deer off cliffs?