Nick Wright on LeBron James as GOAT, Kawhi Leonard MVP debate and more | THE HERD
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- Nick Wright joined Colin Cowherd to discuss if the West is really better than the East (01:22), LeBron James' GOAT status (03:19), if Kawhi Leonard should even be in the NBA MVP discussion (08:48) and James Harden's responsibility in the Houston Rockets' Game 5 loss to the San Antonio Spurs (11:09).
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Nick Wright on LeBron James as GOAT, Kawhi Leonard MVP debate and more | THE HERD
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Who are your top 5 players in NBA history?
Colin Cowherd no particular order, Jordan, Wilt, Russell, LeBron, Magic
LeBron, Jordan,Magic, Kareem, wilt
Colin Cowherd this is the stupidest video ive seen. jordans post game was better, was so graceful, yall live in the moment. yall need to go back and look at jordan or highlights. its not even close...
MJ, Kareem, Magic, Lebron, Bird
Curry Durant Thompson Green Pachulia
I would pay to see Nick vs skip
YDINO I say Nick wins
YDINO Nick is going to destroy him. With Lebron Skip loses all credibility he doesn't rely on numbers he just uses certain examples and doesn't listen to anybody else's argument.
YDINO Nick would bury Skippy with an avalanche of facts.
YDINO I would love that. I would actually rather see him against Stephen A but they're on different stations. Skip doesn't come up with enough good points about Jordan and he is also biased. Stephen A on the other hand respects Lebron a lot but still knows Jordan is the best.
YDINO I would pay anything to see that I swear nick would demolish him
For every skip Baylees, there is a Nick Wright. It is the balance of the universe
Jake Savin love this comment...so true lmao
Jake Savin Skip is a troll. Nick is speaking facts
You really don't realise how he's cherry-picking details to suit his narrative do you? He'd be an awesome salesman, wish I had him in my company.
Nick is right though. Skip reaches.
"the cavs are obviously gonna be champions" - Nick Wright. warriors won in 5 games bro 😂😂😂😂
I think that Nick just passed Shannon as the world's greatest LeBron fan.
Can we please see nick wright vs skip Bayless
Nick Wright is nothing but a nerd who knows zilch about sports like Skip
Gregory Dunston skip slurper
Nick Wright was about 6 years old when Jordan returned from playng baseball. Let that sink in.
William Eleazar Skip trash like Nick Wright is trash lol. both of their sports acumen is garbage
Nkosinati I really don't care for Jordan, Lebron is the Greatest All Around Player, Jordan is the Greatest Player
"The Legend of Michael Jordan is better than Michael Jordan
Rush Benjamin great point 👍
Yup, it is. Because "The Legend of Michael Jordan" never missed a shot in his career apparently.
Yup, he also only played 6 seasons aswell and won all of them
Rush Benjamin
The legend of anyone is greater than than that person.
The legend of MJ only speaks of his accolades, the legend of LBJ is the real
GOAT. MJs losing in the first rd is always brought up but LBJs missing the playoffs 2x isnt because unlike MJ he is allowed to develop. MJs not making it past the 1st without scottie is brought up but the fact that as an unproven rookie he didnt start a single game his rookie season and avg 10 ppg off the bench yet you would swear he carried MJ past Cle that year in the 1st rd the way bronsexuals tell it. People always say LBJ shouldnt be punished for making 7 finals as if losing in rd 4 is some sort of consolation prize and he should get a participation trophy for being the best loser. The legend of LBJ says he can guard all 5 positions, the tape says otherwise. The legend says LBJ is the GOAT but the accolades and accomplishments disagree. He has played the same amount of time as MJ in the league and has done less in both rings and in overall accolades yet his fans think he is the greatest. Now that is a real legend
Can we all just laugh at Colin's reaction while Nick is talking at 4:07
Nick can't compare fatigue to an injury. Nick cannot name 4 or 5 players better than Kawhi.
Damn Nick, you can sell water to a Whale😂
He can if you're ignorant about NBA history.
cyber6sapien lol everybody swears they know more about the NBA, we have throwback games on TH-cam for free to judge for ourselves so shut up
yooooo best comment of the day haha
206 SEA lies
You're too easy. If youre a girl hmu
Nick Wright should've been on yesterday....He would've gave Rob Parker a Spanking 😂😂😂😂😂
Bernard Keaton Lol I don't think Rob Parker can deal with Nick either.
the sad part is rob parker is so horible they could debate about something that Rob would be factually correct in and he would still lose the debate
Rob would destroy him
Glo'ed Up
Rob Parkers trash hates on Brady and LeBron
Nick Wright would destroy Soft Rob Parker
Rob Parker same guy that said Brady would never win another Super bowl in 2012
I'm sure Nick would rather Lebron give him a spanking.
Wright made the most idiotic argument, basically saying James played a lot more than Jordan in the NBA and yet has accomplished less. Great job what a genius you are Nick
Nick wright is creepy in love with lebron
taylor siwik funny thing is he was the biggest KD fan before lebron won his first title
is he wrong tho
@@tylambert1109 faxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
it's all for show bruh it's not that serious.
No he just Speaks facts facts
Pop wouldn't let Kawhi play with the injury.. after the second quarter they were icing his knee so there was more to it than just an ankle injury. Pop would rather have him ready for games 6 and 7 than win game 5 but lose both games 6 and 7. It's just the way Pop works and you have to give him some credit for the defensive effort they gave Houston in overtime.
They tend to forget the Pop controls that team. You do what he tells you or he sits you down. No other coach in the league has that much power over his team because teams are ran by players. Ty Lue doesn't tell Lebron what to do, curry and Durant aren't listening to Mike brown if he tries that. Westbrook and Harden have more power than the coach. Cousins has more power than the coach and he's not even on their level. Pop would rather take a loss than be overridden by a player.
iKanthear U Exactly!! I'm surprised the analysts haven't realized that loool. Respect to them of course.
Abdulaziz Mubarak pop will not let players control this team that it he don't care who they is
Mitchell Jordan yeah bruh. Spurs the only basketball team in the world where the players listen to their coach. lol
Cris Mike that how your team last long pop and Phil the only coaches that players listened too in that era of basketball
like for nick wright and colin against skip bayless and rob parker on the argument of who is better lebron or jordan
I really enjoy it when Nick joins Colin on his show. They work well together. And it’s usually humorous.
Colin I agree with a lot of your westbrook criticism but you cant give harden the "tired" excuse when you wouldn't give it to russ
A.R. Smith shoutout from the 315!
A.R. Smith hes not giving him an excuse. Hes just saying its stupid that kawhi is going unnoticed by not playing when it matters most.
I was just about to say the same thing. 👍
Cory Simpson you mean the guy who was injured? His team was doing good why would be play injured
Ryker Carlin the guy that was injured and still was playing after the injury until like 10 seconds left and they're like "why have our clutchest player out there?" Lebron wouldve been bashed for it.
Nick the aliens came down and one game to save humanity and Michael Jordan beat them BOOM
trevion sewell hahahahaha Good One 😂😂😂
Nick was a Kid when Space Jam was Out
Pramodth Sahabandu I don't blame his view point I mean he's entitled to his opinion but he wasn't old enough to understand how great Jordan is and I'm not saying Lebron isn't great they are both once in a lifetime players but I'd give the slight edge to Jordan
they didn't save humanity they saved the loony tunes, With the help of steroids lol
Jesse Kunc 😂😂😂😂
Bill Murray was the real MVP
Kawhi Leonard Win Shares leader in playoffs among others
lol I love the Colin's head motions and face expressions when Nick is talking, cracks me up :D
Nick Wright needs his own podcast. Make it happen, Fox.
people got to chill when they say lebron can guard 5 position. you put lebron on prime Duncan Shaq KG Dirk and he'll get roasted like a rotisserie chicken I can't stand when people say that lebron isn't guarding cousins
mike hines and theres a difference from gaurd and STOP and magic played the center position in finals so i know lebron who is the same height and 40 pounds bigger than magic can
mike hines ya cuz lebron is gonna play the top 5 big men of all time in a single game right... he's not saying he's the best defender of every position he is saying he is capable of guarding every position which he is take Marvin gortat for example an above average center u really don't think lebron could guard him
Thank you. The only player that guards 5 positions is draymond green
LOL. prime Shaq would dunk on prime Lebron all day
When he was in his athletic prime he could guard all positions! Nobody can stop prime all-timers, but he could make it tough for them.
Nick talking colin off the ledge LOL.!!! He was ready to jump
These arguments about Kawhi and Harden in game 5 have very little to do with them. Kawhi didn't play because Popp wants all guys on the court at 100%, Dantoni disregarded this and chose to have his best guys less than 100%. Arguing about who is in or out of the game is a coaching decision, and Popp clearly made the right decision and got the W.
Ok smartie
Im going to comeback after the finals and see this video and compare it to the video that Nick wright is in after the finals and see what excuse he is going to give lebron for not winning the finals
zer999aa99 no excuse cause he is gonna win the finals
we already know the excuse, the warriors are stacked, the 2nd best player in the nba joined a 73-9 team, its a miracle lebron even kept it competitive.
MR E korver? 😂😂😂 talk about reaching
the same old excuse" lebron just didnt have enough help" the excuse bronsexuals lose every time he loses celtics beating him over and over and even the magic lol didnt beat Boston until he joined the superteam heat and they just act like biggest meltdown by a superstar ever in the finals didn't happen 8 points and hes the goat gtfoh
But what happens when he wins?
Last week we had. 2 day argument about whether Kawhi has surpassed Lebron. This week the Spurs win a pivotal OT game without him on the floor. The real takeaway is POP IS THE REAL GOAT
i feel like colin is a prisoner of the moment type of dude.
By Position: 1.John Stockton. 2. Michael Jordan. 3. LeBron James. 4 Tim Duncan. 5. Wilt Chamberlain.
John Bernsen Magic > John, Kareem > Wilt
You could argue that Jordan could've have had better overall stats, but allowed Scottie to be the facilitator and rebounder
this guy is toast when lebron retires
So is Skip.
Brandon Everett squidward has still a show in spongebob after lebron retires
Brandon Everett What about Skip?
why ?
his claim to fame is talking about lebron. you ever seen him talk about anything else? average at best. He'll diminish every other player in order to boost lebron. man at least Skip can talk about the cowboys
Why can't they ask the retired plays, current players and first year players on how they rank players that seems like a sure fire way
Also on why kawhi day is that he isn't the coach Gregg popovich doesn't care if your a star player he sits u if he thinks it's best
What stars?! Lol. Pop is the only star on that team. They just play for him.
Manny Godinez no I'm saying that popovich isn't like some coaches, he will yell at his star player if they mess up but other coaches will simply take a backseat to the star of the team. Cough (tyron lue) cough
Not really a sure fire way. Players analyze other players completely different from fans and media. Most players today will have Harden as the best player in the nba cos of his offensive skillset and how hard it is to guard him without picking up fouls. Doesn't mean he's actually the best.
Kay Stone in pretty sure that most players consider lebron the best player in world and just because someone is good on offense doesn't mean they are the best defense matters too
The mere fact that he has to reach so far, create so many technicalities to support his argument, makes it completely asinine. Nick Wright is a guy who speaks with such strong opinion for shock value. He says far fetch things to gain more following. I refuse to believe that this man honestly believes that LeBron James is better than Michael Jordan. Not a fanboy but really is this a debate at this point? The things these analyst do for ratings is so nauseating!
I feel like Nick Wright has only started watching basketball for the past 5 yrs
But did LeBron beat a group of aliens in basketball to save earth?
Landon Collins #LockDown #GOAT he's about too lmao. Space jam 2 coming out and Lebron James is the star in the movie
Landon Collins #LockDown #GOAT Where your mom at?
lebrons doing space jam 2... even the "GOAT" is still trying to be like Mike lol..how can he be the Goat when he lost more rings than he has won 3/7 #chasingtheghost #bighter #alwaysafollower
People confuse Skill with Legacy
I love the company point. If a company is better in 4 areas of business, it's a better company that's better at just two
How many times have they made this video?
"tell me what Michael has done better than Lebron"
go 6-0 in the Finals,
win champions without jumping ship
MrKing8050 championships are about teamwork, they're talking about individual players idiot
Mike jim But there's a thing called winning the game idiot
Nope.........Mj is the GOAT!
Why wasn't Kawhi on the court in the last 11 seconds? Easiest answer of my life. He plays for Pop and it wasn't his choice to sit on the bench. Pop took him out cause he said it was obvious he wasn't able to give 100% cause of the injury. Don't try to act like it was Kawhi just making a decision not to play. What a dumb question..
Isn't it, "Your greatest ability is your availability." ?
Brilliant quote btw.
Cavs warriors is way closer then people think
El Cucuy defense separate them by miles
exactly. And the warriors are better offensively.
Designz R Us not really they're both not very good defensively. Cavs aren't as good as they were in years past
what?? gs the best defensive team in the playoffs dude
Designz R Us they play defense in spurts dude. They're not that good. They're just so catastrophic on the offensive side that they don't need to play elite defense. 3 years is enough for me to see they're not and have never been a great defensive team. Stats don't tell you the whole picture bub
Nick wright and Colin should be the golden standard of all analysts
eBron James yea when you have a bron profile pic
Cringe, they are the most biased I've ever seen
Ever heard of Skip Bayless?
Skip Bayless thinks Tim Duncan is better than LeBron
Lmao obviously you would think that...
everything comes down to personally preference these debates are frivolous
Its funny how you critisize Kawhi for not playong due to an injury, even though coach pop decides about that, but try to excuse harden for playing poorly due to being exhausted...just funny...lebron fans...
I don't really understand how people say the Mavs finals series is the only stain on LeBrons career, what about the second finals loss to the Spurs when his team was beat by a record finals margin?
Lmao did you see the box score? Nobody showed up besides LeBron in that series
But isn't LeBron supposed to make his teammates better? When his team wins it's because Lebron "carried them" , when they lose its "ohhhhhh he had no help". Bosh shot about 55% that series, LeBron should've gotten him more involved on offense.
Maro Molu he got swept if your the best all time u can't get swept in the finals
ok so jordan got swept in the first round 2 times but lebron did get swept in the finals and lost with his maimi superteam to a mavericks team with one star that was old and past his prime.. then lost in a all time nba finals margin to the oldest team in the nba Spurs with 3 HOF that where really past there prime. but yet people talk smack about jordan when he beat and old celtics team with 5 HOF.. come on guys!!
ok so jordan got swept in the first round 2 times but lebron did get swept in the finals and lost with his maimi superteam to a mavericks team with one star that was old and past his prime.. then lost in a all time nba finals margin record to the oldest team in the nba Spurs with 3 HOF that where really past there prime. but yet people talk smack about jordan when he beat and old celtics team with 5 HOF.. which was one of the two teams that swept jordan in the 1st round and during thats sweep larry bird called jordan god... come on guys!!
Lets be honest . Kawhi leonard is way better than James harden .
KawhiNot21 overall? Possibly, harden is clearly better on offense (both in scoring and running an offense) while kawhi has him easily on defense
David Doe that arguement isn't valid because they have different styles d'antoni is mainly offense but pop focuses on everything. You obviously don't watch enough kawhi to know that they are basically the same when it comes to shooting . You can't also put a whole side of the court and say "he just a better defender " and go on the other side of the fourth and say "he's a better driver , passer" .
David Doe I can give u many things kawhi is better at than harden at offense . 1. So much better foot work 2 post game strong 3 post fade strong 4 rockets only shoot 4 midrange shots a game MIDRANGE IS BETTER. 5 kawhi is much bigger and your reason about him being better a driving is wrong ,because d'antoni has a certain play style that makes anyone that plays for him drivers. Also people that play for him are going to score a lot per game ,because of how inflated dantoni's coaching style is.
KawhiNot21 you know when someone starts saying a coach is the reason a player is successful then they're just struggling to come up with things. Maybe if you are just a role player a coach can make you better than what you are but when you are a top 5 player in the world you have to give credit to the player, seriously you're trying to somehow say harden is only good at driving because his coach? Harden is possibly the best driver in the league and the credit goes to harden for that, don't talk about how he is in a system that allows him to put those numbers, kawhi could never average double digits assists no matter the system. Also just because harden doesn't take mid Rangers often doesn't mean kawhi is better at it, go look at some games from last year and you will see harden has a very good mid range shot, you also say mid range is better than three which is completely false, one gives you two points and another gives you three, pretty simple.
David Doe yes his coach gives him opportunities to be a great driver.
Y'all remember when Nick Wright was on vacation with his wife and kids and still took time to hop on twitter and tweet about LeBron? This dude is in love with LeBron.
Tacking the game over when it matters most and winning.
And the comment section will be filled with 6 for 6 is better than 3-4!!
I'll ask this question though: Who's the better QB: Bradshaw or Elway? I mean one is 4 for 4 the other 2 and 3
Brandon-Marcel Frederick Stafford the point is that yes, skill wise lebron is on jordans level, but last time I checked being the best is more than just skill. You gotta be skilled and have the accomplishments to back it up. And let me ask u this. Who was more clutch? Who was the better winner? And I'm sorry but lebron is not a better defender than Jordan. The numbers, accomplishments and eye test back that up.
Ryan Fitz the eye test does not back it up for me. When I see Lebron, I see a player that can make a team a contender all by himself. I don't see the same thing when I saw Jordan. Don't get me wrong, if Jordan has the appropriate help then he can definitely contend. And also Jordan defended players that were more deficient on offense so he will look like a better defender when he guards Dumars/Steve Smith/ Reggie Miller and then Lebron guards KD/Melo/Butler/Kawhi/ PG13.
omieg89 I see your point but to me all that matters is the end result. Yes lebron can make teams contenders but he has never won a ring by himself, he's always had at least 1 to 2 all stars on his team when he won. Soon as Jordan got an all star to play with him he won. The notion that lebron does everything by himself is annoying, I'm not implying that your saying that but a lot of people like to make it out like lebron never has help. In the end has lebrons so called ability to make a team an instant contender led him to more wins than Jordan? The answer is no
Lebron has faced much weaker competition.
Brandon-Marcel Frederick Stafford I think Elway was 2 our of 5
Top 5 noses of all time
I don't get how u can use how many rings to define who the better player is
I love these guys Banter! Colin and Nick are on a roll!
Wow another LeBron lover who has no objectivity. Everything is about context. Why does this Nick Wright even talk basketball when it comes to the LeBron vs. Jordan debate.
Jordan better at foul line: Lebron tentative to drive, post up draw contact at times because of foul shooting. lebron close second to Jordan right now...& I love lebron.
I love how Colin is reaction when nick is talking. moving his head around , his eyes get all big. lmao I have a cousin who does that whenever I'm talking to him, that just means they're really into what you're saying.
reacting*
My dawg said, if aliens were to come down for a one on one on basketball who do you choose. Really puts things into perspective for me here.
LeBron hasn't even reached his decline yet. Your comparing him to Jordan who DID have his decline, so let's wait. When LeBron starts declining, so will his averages and then we will see why Jordan really is the GOAT statistically.
Márciio B but he's not statistically, Kareem is. You MJ worshippers have no out
Márciio B he may retire before his true decline
Junie Gyllenhaal, so would you put Kareem over Lebron?
In my opinion, Yes.. He's the greatest center of all time
I put Kareem over Jordan. Jordan isnt more accomplished than Kareem at any level!
Seriously Guyz the Fact that Nick Wright ,Argues this much to make a Case for Lebron.
I respect him and i really think he has his Facts straight.
But the thing is he is making a case for lebron vs MJ and i would like to hear im in dialogue with somebody on MJ's side rather than his usual Monologue.
Pramodth Sahabandu look up vids on TH-cam they are out there
I actually disagree, i think him doing it this much shows how desperate he is. Also he isnt using straight facts, he relies on subjective information and deflects from objective information. He says MJ isnt a better scorer when thats one thing that even the sternest LBJ goat fans give MJ because its true. 10 scoring titles and the most ppg all time (even those # got lowered by his Was days) so he has to make excuses up. LBJ is the better def is blasphemy seeing as MJ made 9 first team all def, a sec team all def, def player of the year, 3x steals leader and top 3 all time in steals in almost the same amount of games as LBJ. He says MJ didnt have better accolades as Kareem which isnt even true and Kareem played 20 years with 1 reg season MVP being the only accolade that he has over MJ. So again Nick is trying so hard to twist the narrative to suite the outcome he wants when leaving opinion out 100% and looking at only objective facts it shows why MJ was the GOAT and still is
Rayshawn Hampton I agree a 100 ,lebron maybe a more versatile defender but he isnt a better defender bcoz he can guard all 5 positions on the court .
9:57 - Depending on the timing, sometimes they choose not to try to "fix" a tweaked ankle because if they take off the shoe and unwrap it, the ankle can swell more and the player has NO choice but to hit the showers at that point.
Did Nick forget that LeBron's Heat lost to the Spurs?
kawhi leading 2017 playoffs in value over replacement, 3rd in off box plus/minus ahead of lebron in 7th, 4th in box plus / minus, win shares 1st, 1st in offensive win shares, 2nd in offensive rating, true shooting pct 4th ahead of lebron, 1st in player efficiency rating . kawhi is the Mvp.
David Kays don't show Nick he'll self destruct
Hes just taking advantage of Kawhi knowing he'll never have to interview him. typical ego driven like lebron
This guy is asking us to ignore Lebron's first 8yrs because if we keep that in account it goes against his narrative of Lebron being the GOAT. In those 8yrs he went to two finals and avg 17pts in both while shooting under 40% in both. Thats hard to ignore. And Jordan's 6 rings , 6 finals mvps, 5 league mvps in 8 yrs is a better stretch of basketball than Lebron's 3 rings, 2 mvps and 3 finals mvps in 5 yrs. Nice try Nick.
Said A. 2x DPOY 10x Scoring Champ the numbers don't lie!
1x
Jordan won 4 league mvps in that 8 year stretch
That stretch isn't even close, the numbers are staggering in Jordan's favor. Truthfully in my opinion, LeBron is closer to Magic than Jordan.
Brabbis Lebron never went to playoffs in his first season or second so I say they about even .
12:32-12:54
Preach Nick Wright!
You forgot to put my son in that debate....
nick wright is the goat
Aaron Kog on god. Buddy was going in
Aaron Kog Too had he was wrong and left out key points. MJ is retired and still averaged 3 more PPG meanwhile Lebron didn't even hit the end of his career yet. Lebron last 2-3 years in the NBA he won't be averaging 26ppg, he will drop to no more than 22ppg. When it's all said and done his career averages will drop once he retires
Aaron Kog the goat at misleading
Aaron Kog the goat at misleading
No. He is an actual goat.
Nick, name me 5-6 players better than Kawhi Leonard. Like I expect you to reach when you segueing for Lebron. But you not gonna just disrespect Kawhi like that......
Dijon Joseph Lebron
Accounting for offense and defense, there is nobody better. Durant and curry are better offensively but not by much, and he is an absolute monster on defense. Not to mention he's crazy efficient and barely ever misses a free throw, there is not a single player in the entire league who is clearly better, and there are only a couple who are even debatable.
Dijon Joseph giannis, harden, lebron, durant, anthony davis and curry
Bron KD harden curry Westbrook Giannis AD
I really like the genuineness of his talk... He is also really articulate and factual in his arguments. Not like most of the guys in the media, he doesn't come with stupid claims or alternative facts, emotions or so...
12:31 - 12:55 - AGREED!!!!!!!
You have to treat every shot with importance.
Jordan was a better scorer how many times has LeBron scored over 50 points in a playoff game
Katlego Mosumo he is a better scorer, but Bron is a better all around player
Mj never played against a super team and had a way better team than LB. If LB was on those bulls teams how many rings will he have?
Marquel Girdner
LeBron was on a superteam and lost to the Mavs with only one all star and a bunch of players past their prime. JJ Barrea even checked LeBron.
Hold this L up nice and high.
Spurs is Pop's team. Cavs is not Tye Lue's team. If pop tells you to sit, you sit. The LeBron love is cute but you're just desparate to make everyone else look bad.
Nick Wright has the best arguments I've ever heard.
Nick argues that Kawhi wasn't on the court and critisizing him, but it wasn't Kawhi's choice. He wanted to be in there. Pop decided to bench him. Pop doesn't care if you're the star on the team or how well you're playing. The spurs have never been about one player. He counts on everyone to step up.
I hate how people say Lebron could guard 1-5, he really can't. He's such an overrated defender, its ridiculous.
Jordan played about 1/3 of his playoff games from age 33 to 35 when he was clearly past his prime. This heavily deflated his career playoff stats. When you compare early/prime years (age 21-32), MJ leads in everything except rebounds and only 0.3 less assists, all while playing better competition.
*Scoring*
Jordan was clearly the superior scorer. Nick is nuts. He has a record 10 scoring titles to LeBron's 1. Jordan has a record 5 different playoff series averaging 40+ ppg to LeBron's 0. He also averaged 33+ ppg in 3 different NBA Finals, a tied record with Shaq and Jerry West, to LeBron's 1. LeBron did it in the 2015 Finals, while taking 33 shots/game on under 40% FG.
This is also without factoring in more favorable rule changes in the post-Jordan era, as Jordan at age 38 put up 25-6-5 in 2001/02 before his injury for 46 games. Tracy McGrady was the only player to average at least 25-6-5 by the end of the season.
*Rebounding*
LeBron is definitely a better rebounder. He averaged 11 rpg for the entire 2015 Playoffs, whereas Jordan only had double digit rebounds in one playoff series, the 1997 ECSF with 10.2 rpg.
*Assists*
Jordan had the disadvantage of playing in the triangle offense which is designed to limit assists for perimeter players, but still has a near identical assist:TO ratio. Needless to say, Jordan's assists would go way up in a pick and roll or drive and kick offense like LeBron's teams, and most certainly while playing easier competition.
When Jordan had more control of the playmaking, he averaged 11.4 apg in the 1991 Finals, the highest by anyone in the Finals not named Magic Johnson. LeBron has never averaged double digit assists in any playoff series
Up to 1993, Jordan averaged 6.6 apg in the playoffs, whereas LeBron averages 6.7 apg for his playoff career. Even with LeBron being in his prime, having more control of the playmaking, and playing way easier competition, he only has 0.1 more apg.
*Defense*
Jordan crushes LeBron defensively. Even as a Wizard, Jordan was better on defense before his injury compared to almost all of LeBron's years on defense. Jordan played elite defense in 6 of 6 NBA Finals, whereas LeBron played adequate defense in only 1 of 7 NBA Finals in 2013.
LeBron was outscored in the Finals by Tony Parker 2007, Jason Terry 2011, Kevin Durant 2012, all of whom increased their ppg and FG%. In 2014, he was outplayed by Kawhi Leonard over the final 3 games, and in 2015 he allowed Andre Iguodala to double his scoring average on more efficient shooting, and allowed Barnes to shoot over 50% on LeBron despite shooting 37% for the overall series. Green also exposed him in the 2016 Finals. 2013 was the only good defensive Finals he had and he still had trouble guarding Kawhi Leonard.
*Clutch*
Playoff game-winners/tyers with 25 seconds or less
- Jordan 10/19 (53%)
- LeBron 8/23 (35%)
Finals game-winners/tyers with 25 seconds or less
- Jordan 4/8 (50%)
- LeBron 0/5 (0%)
scoop245 W
scoop245 They won't bring this up though smh they want Bron to overcome MJ as the GOAT because he is the most successful player of "the next Jordan" era. Don't get me wrong Bron is a absolute legend but I hate their bias.
how can you not see the problem with bringing up the type of offense he played in to justify an area he falls down in, but not mention the role it plays in an area where he excels in? the better competition point also betrays the tone of your entire post; you stick to the number generally yet speculate where it suits your bias
scoop245 He needs to read what you posted and that fool would STILL say LeBron is better.....smh
scoop245 Lebron lover dont wanna face the facts...
I like listening to nick wright. when you put all his hot takes aside, it kinda makes you bond with people that have mental illness and I can appreciate that. cheers bro.
love this!
How can you be the goat when you're 3-6 in the finals? 😂
dumbest argument . so russell is the goat since hes 11-2? how about kareem 6-4
Colonel Gibbs Bill Russell is 11-1 not 11-2
@@heatscore1177 my bad. even better
@@colonelgibbs8357 That's what I'm saying bro the first thing Lebron haters bring up is that he is 3-6 in the finals so ur telling me that as long as u have more rings than MJ you're better than him 🤦🏾♂️
King James ? What does bringing up 3-6 have to do with saying anyone with more than 6 is better than Jordan? Y’all lebron nut huggers mad, Jordan is goat, will always be goat. Maybe someone else will come
Along, it’ll never be lebron
Nick Wright wrong again LoL. Warriors 2017 Champion!!!
Nothing wrong with having an unpopular opinion, but when you flaunt it around as a fact is when you have a problem.
I would love nick to have a debate vs Steven A Smith & skip Bayless. About LEBRON vs JORDAN
At age 32, Jordan's stats were 32.2 points, 6.3 rebounds, 5.9 assists, 2.7 steals, 1.0 blocks, 3.0 turnovers .514 FG%, .845 FT%.
Lebron is now 32 years old. His stats are 27.1 points, 7.3 rebounds, 7 assists, 1.6 steals, 0.8 blocks, 3.4 turnovers, .501 FG%, .740 FT%.
So what does Jordan do better than Lebron? He is a significantly better scorer (5 points per game), he shoots a higher percentage from the field and significantly better from the free throw line, he looks after the ball better (fewer turnovers), and he is a better defender (more steals and blocks).
Lebron is a better three point shooter, and averages approximately 1 more rebound and 1 more assist per game than Jordan. That's it!
Jordan's peak (1988-93) is so much greater than any other player in NBA history. That is why he is the Greatest of All Time.
Over the next few years Lebron's numbers will decline, just like Jordan, just like Kobe, Bird, Shaq, Duncan.
Fantastic comment! Way to back your opinion with facts
jxn23 inaccurate stats
Those stats are 100% accurate. To clarify they are Jordan's career stats after the 1994-95 season when Jordan turned 32 years old. If you don't believe me check out basketball-reference.com for your self
Lol this dude hating on Kawhi. If the Spurs lost, I understand the hate. But the Spurs won, so keep on hating! :) #GoSpursGo
Nick Wright IS MY GUY! Everything he's uttering is Straight Facts!!!!!!!!!!
if the aliens came down, and there was one game to save humanity, I would pick Magic Johnson in his prime.
Other than the 6 rings MJ have, Lebron will never be clutch like Jumpman
LeBron is better in clutch situations than Jordan...
@@Xzei Alright, you have a short memory or you are very young.
@@LeMamour Wrong and... wrong. I just know how to look at something and understand what it means instead of listening to media screaming "KOBE CLUTCH! KILLER!. JORDAN GOAT!" when in reality LeBron has better numbers in the clutch than both of them. And Kobe might be the worst clutch performer ever.
This guy is arguing Jordan isn't a better scorer, Jordan has 10 scoring titles!! Lebron has 1! Jordan is a better shooter and more clutch. Jordan accomplished everything Lebron has x2 in less time. Defense? Yea Lebron can guard 1-4 but he's a jack of all trades, he can't lockdown anyone. Jordan can lock down 1-3 and is an overall better on and off ball defender. Lebron is obviously a better rebounder (due to his build) and passer. Lebron will never be the winner Jordan was.
MichaelC3 Jordan has 10 scoring titles and yet lebron passed him in all time points and he's in the cusp of passing him in playoff points. Lebron could have 14 scoring titles if he wants to but that's not his game he plays to get his team going because basketball is a team sport
Lebron did not pass Jordan in all time scoring. Lebron has played in more games and more playoff games and still hasn't passed Jordan. Do it in lesser time then maybe I can agree but if it takes u longer to pass someone's records that just shows how great the other player was.
MichaelC3 Jordan can lockdown 1-2 remember magic was a 3 playing the 1. He was giving Jordan the blues down low in the finals. If phil Jackson didn't decide to put Scottie on magic for the rest of the series, Jordan might have 5 rings instead
lebron can surpass jordan in points with less FGA
Maybe he can try again in another universe, he has already pass Jordan in minutes played both playoffs and the reg. season but jordan's total is still higher
Nick needs to have a show w/Skip. Two are gonna have the great match
WE NEED LESHANNON ON THIS SHOW TO COMPLETE THE LETRIFECTA
When Nick Wright is around you know the truth will be told, he is a great analyst for what that is worth
truth ? Lol
Fail. Nick Wright doesn't even understand math. Fail Guy ignores all the relevant stats. Diminishes greater players to make an argument for his case.
he only speaks facts and people hate him for that
He is worst than Colin.
There are lot of what ifs in the jordan lbj argument, but one thing that Wright always argue is that the Bulls won against the bad boys when they were old and passed their prime, and he praises lbj for winning against the Pistons, the 6 time conference finalists. It is easy to check how old were the starting five of the bb Pistons in 1991, how old were the Pistons in 2007 and how old were the Celtics when lbj broke down, and the next year when he came from 3-2 down to win against he celtics. These are the facts that can be checked, not just what ifs. There is so much more to be said in Jordan's favor, and there are some things not being said in LeBron's favor. These tv hosts never mention those things. However, I understand that it is not their job to be right, their job is to keep the audience interested. This is why some of them get payed millions, not for their knowledge.
This dude never saw Jordan in his prime. Dude is talking stats but Lebron would not shoot the same percentage he has against real physical defense. There is nothing that suggest he would. It's stupid for a guy to speak eye test when he didn't see both. All he has is stats and just like Curry in the Finals you see what these sugar coated stats mean when physicality and intimidation is added to the mix. Everybody has a plan until they get hit in the mouth. Let's stop having this argument and watch Lebron do his thing in his era. Goat or not. But let's also stop the stupid perspectives of uninformed apologist for Lebron and this super soft era for men in this country.
moneyaat LeBron as a scorer would dominate come on back then. Your realise LeBron is the same size as Karl Malone and can handle the ball. He'd be too big and strong for that iso game back then.
This my friend, is called nostalgia. If it happened "back then" it has to be better.
Eschatonx explain me then how in the 90s people started to consider jordan the goat if there was now nostalgia back then since at that time he was the present?
I think Nick Wright is my favorite analyst, and I'm not even a LeBron fan. But his argument is golden.
8:06 "He is going on a stretch where he will make his sixth straight finals"🤔🤔🤔....This would be number 7 Nick.
Can you say "Molly-whopped" on TV?
Storminmormn6 molly 😏
LeBron is not a better shooter than Jordan and was not better in the paint than Jordan. LeBron is not as skilled around the basket as Jordan. Jordan would double and sometimes triple clutch through traffic and finish with an insane layup. LeBron doesn't have that kind of skill mid air. Jordan dunked on more dudes. Jordan had better post game. Jordan was an elite shooter from 20ft and in. The 3pt shot was an afterthought in Jordan's era. And saying LeBron is a better defender because he can guard 1-5 doesn't mean anything. First of all LeBron always gets beat by 5s when he guards them. Secondly, Magic could guard 1-5 but he was an average defender. Jordan was a better perimeter defender I don't think it's that close, LeBron being bigger is a better interior defender. LeBron doesn't have to deal with dominant centers that were around in Jordan's era. LeBron is a more gifted passer, but Jordan doesn't get enough credit for his passing ability. In terms of LeBron taking less shots per game while averaging only 3pts less it goes back to the era and the 3pt shot. Advanced metrics actually favor Jordan. And if you have one game to play you're dumb if you'd pick LeBron, Jordan would not lose just because of his will to win. This dude is clueless but speaks with confidence to act like he states facts.
This dude is clueless but speaks with confidence to act like he states facts.
haha he was 7 years old when jordan achieve his 1st three peat and he is talking like ...
i stop the video when he said LJ is better basketball player than MJ, i went straght to look at his age and got my response lol
Lol #triggered
let jordan nuts go
J dr0 u just said accomplishments which is mean Kareem better than MJ?? No!!!! Lebron is a better Scorer look it up straight fact
I agree with some of your points. But clearly you're a biased hater and dont have a open minded position on both players being great.
who do you want on the team in a gm 7 finals, mj or bron? enuf said
Nick Wright, you're bring me on your show I'll explain it to you.
There’s been a lot of noise lately about LeBron perhaps passing Jordan as the G.O.A.T. There’s no doubt that LeBron is all-time great - in my opinion, there’s a solid argument that he might land at #2 on that list. But when the numbers are laid down, sorry kids...it ain’t close. From a post on KSR:
Jordan vs LeBron
Updated after Lebrons 14th season. Michael Jordan has:
•3 more rings
•3 more final mvps
•1 more DPOY
•1 more season MVP
•9 more scoring titles
•3 more steals leader
•3 more all defensive team selections
•4000 more points / bron moved past him in playoff points, but it took him longer.
•800 more steals
•Beat 20 50+ win teams in the playoffs (Lebron only defeated 10)
•Jordan never averaged less than 40% Field Goal in the finals
Lebron did it twice
•6/6 (never allowed a game 7)
•Lebron had much more offensive help, example:
Jordan never had a teammate average more than 22 points in the finals.. In fact, Mj is Only player in NBA history to lead a team to the championship with only one teammate averaging double figures in scoring
* In the Bulls’ 1997 playoff run, Scottie Pippen averaged 19 points per game on 42% shooting. All other teammates of Jordan averaged under 8 points per game
Kyrie averaged over 28 and DWade averaged more than 26
•MJ never ever had a finals meltdown like Lebron in 2011 against the Mavs
•MJ had more points in the playoffs in less games..
MJ accomplished all of this in 13 seasons
Lebron after his 14th season, is still chasing the “ghost (GOAT) that played in Chicago”
•Michael Jordan in the playoffs has put up atleast 40ppg, 5rpg, 5apg in 6 different playoff series. Along with an average of about 55% shooting, 3spg and 2bpg.
(86 vs bos, 89 vs cavs, 90 vs philly, 92 vs Miami, 93 vs Phoenix, 88 vs cavs) Jordan won every one of those matchups except for the 1986 matchup vs the celtics.
•Jordan in 88-89 averaged 32ppg, 8apg, 8rpg, 3spg off 54% shooting. LeBron has never even came close to this stat line.
•in 87 thru 92, MJ averaged 5 straight seasons of atleast 51% FG shooting. LeBron has never done this.
•the lowest FT% MJ ever shot in a season was 78%. Lebrons highest in a season ever is 78%.
•MJ has a higher playoff FG% of 48.7% to Lebrons 48.3%
•MJ has a higher playoff player efficiency rating of 28.6 to Lebrons 27.3.
•MJ shoots a higher playoff 3 point percentage of 33.2% to Lebrons 32.9%
•LeBron James has scored 30 points, 416 times in 1,117 games.
Michael Jordan did it 562 times in 1,072 games.
Jordan won 6 championships without losing a final in 1,072 games and LeBron in 1,117 games has lost 5 times and has only won 3 times (updated 2018)
•MJ also shocked the league by being the first (and only) player to have 100 blocks and 200 steals in the same season, then turned around and did it again the next year..
•Mj also has more career blocks (893) than Lebron James (853) despite playing in 22 LESS career games and being the smaller guy.
Also, MJ averaged 1.6 blocks per game in the 1987-88 season which is absolutely bonkers for a 6’6″ shooting guard.
Seriously this list can keep going. This isn’t even a debate. Mj is the GOAT.
MIchael Jordan:
•NBA record 5 playoffs series’ averaging atleast 40ppg
•Only player in history to lead league in scoring and win DPOY
•Highest scoring average, points per game, in any championship series:
41.0 vs. Phoenix Suns, 1993 NBA Finals
•Only rookie in NBA history to lead his team in four statistics (1984-85)
•Only player in NBA history to lead the league in scoring, win Most Valuable Player, and Defensive Player of the Year in the same season (1987-88)
•Only player in history to average at least 30pts 6reb 5assists And 2 steals per game AND HE DID IT 7 TIMES.
•Only player in NBA history to win Rookie of the Year (1984-85), Defensive Player of the Year (1987-88), NBA MVP (1987-88, 1990-91, 1991-92, 1995-96, 1997-98), All-Star MVP (1988, 1996, 1998), and Finals MVP (1991, 1992, 1993, 1996, 1997, 1998)
•Only player in NBA history to lead the league in scoring and win the NBA championship MORE THAN ONCE in the same season
* He did this SIX TIMES!! (1990-91, 1991-92, 1992-93, 1995-96, 1996-97, 1997-98)
•One of two players in NBA history to score 3,000 points in a season: 3,041 points scored in 82 games played (37.1 ppg) (1986-87)
* Wilt Chamberlain is the only other player to achieve this.
•MJ is also the only player in NBA history to score over 40 points at age 40, and he did it twice!
•In 1988, MJ earned: Dunk Champ, All Star Game MVP, NBA Scoring Title, League MVP and Defensive Player of the Year.
Michael in only ELEVEN complete seasons with the Bulls:
-10 scoring titles,
-Won Defensive Player of the Year,
-9 times all defensive team,
-9time All NBA,
-5 league MVPs
-6 finals MVPs
All 11 seasons. Mj has done in 11 seasons things Lebron hasn’t done and won’t do in his whole career…
Remind me again...who is the GOAT?
Jordan is better at FT's, post game and stealing the basketball, that is all.
N E 1/3 isn't bad
N E Better shooter, better clutch player, and when he goes to the finals he wins!!! LeBron is a better passer and rebounder
m turley he's not a better shooter, not better in the clutch and just he did win. In those 6 yrs
m turley you never seen LeBron leave a teal wnfvthey only win 2 less games. When he leaves teams they go to the tank. The hear haven't been to the playoffs since. Kyrie n Love never been in the playoffs before LeBron. How many no name coaches does he carry?
m turley lmaooooo pippen and rodman also were gon in 99. Stop trolling
Nick speaking big ol facts.
Nick Wright is the next big thing in sports radio. Most people will shut him out because of his Lebron stance, but he has honestly brought me around with his concrete evidence and doesn't use that stupid "clutch" argument and other emotional arguments that Jordan and Kobe fans use