My Seestern clasp is easy to use and I have no backplay with the bezel. I chose the Seestern over the SM because: 1. It has the date, 2. The lug2lug size, 3. The applied indices and 4. The movement. I'm very pleased with it and actually prefer it on the supplied elasticated canvas strap.
I have the black and gold version as I thought this would go with more clothes and styles etc...The blue and gold is also stunning am sure. I can't believe how well this watch is made. All the edges are so smooth, the bezel and sapphire are seemless (almost too perfect if you want something slightly rugged but I have G-Shocks for that!). It is so smart and elegant and marries beauty with function. My bracelet/adjustment is perfect due to the glidelock (6.5inch wrists). I feel it's presence but don't feel weighed down. I even slept with this on my wrist last night and it didn't bother me (normally I use G-Shock 5610u or F105W as ultra light)...The crown is on the small side but I think this makes the watch more elegant, less tool like, which, alongside the sunburst dial, applied indexes and gold accents fits very well with a more dressy diver. I would totally recommend this watch to anyone who wants a smart diver of reasonable proportions for a smaller wrist (not a small watch though, for those of you with bigger wrists), with a noticeable dial and very good quality craftsmanship. I had comments from people at work straight away. I know it's not an original design of course but I am a nurse and don't have thousands to spend on watches. I am also waiting for a delivery of the Reverie diver in grey/silver (more like double the price of the Seestern), which I think will also be amazing apart from the bracelet apparently where the glidelock only work half of the way (?) due to too few links being able to fit into the clasp when tightening the bracelet. Sorry long comment but I have spent years searching for a diver you can actually wear comfortably on a small wrist and that doesn't cost huge amounts of money. Voila!
No need to apologise for the long comment. It's great to hear that you're really enjoying the watch. They are lovely pieces. As you said the quality you're getting for the money is really good.
Thanks for the great comparison. I think the Seestern takes this comparison all day long; although, I have a SM with their new on the fly clasp, and it’s a game changer. Also apparently this exact design was used by numerous brands back in the 60’s. Thanks again!
Glad you enjoyed it. Yeah these new on the fly clasps that are on AliExpress now are certainly a game changer. As I said in my review of the San Martin. So there's more than just the Wolbrook and SeaQ then?
Yup. Apparently many companies used them. I’ve never heard of them but Helbros, Herma, Andre Bouchard, Arnex, amongst others all used the same design. So this is more like a reissue more than a Homage in my opinion.
Great comparison! I'm definitely gravitating towards the Seestern, but I really wish they could have slimmed down that midcase. The applied indexes, that dynamic dial, and the shorter lug to lug with the proper female endlinks really put it over the top! I wasn't sure I'd like the gold, but after seeing your blue version, and Steve's black, I really think those are the two colors to go for.
Thanks, I'm glad you liked it. The proper female endlinks on the Seestern definitely make a big difference. I'm not normally someone who goes for gold either. But I really think it works well on this.
I'm not a gold guy either, but that watch looks way better with it than without. The black one kind of reminds me of my Oris 65 with the bronze bezel in a way.
@@HonestWatchReviewsHWR Yea, and you are doing great job at it. As a consumer, I know I can trust your reviews completely. They truly deserve to be called HONEST watch reviews.
@@HonestWatchReviewsHWR Bought the Proxima "perfection" based on your review, and owning a Borealis Bull Shark V2, I could appreciate your super objective review.
I went with the Seestern, but it was definitely a tough decision. I prefer the crystal, crown size, and beads of rice bracelet on the San Martin, but I really like the applied indices and the quick adjust clasp on the Seestern. If the Seestern had a 7mm+ crown, it would be perfect! Great review as always
@@HonestWatchReviewsHWRwell I have the SN0111-g and the Seestern S434. Both have great clasps but the Seestern is much easier switch compared to my SM. You definitely got an unlucky because my Seestern blue/gold is one of my favorite watches atm. The bezel has the perfect resistance and has zero play and lines up perfectly. I got it this morning and resizing it and usual new watch inspecting, being impressed by how refined it felt and could put my finger on why it felt so cleanly executed. Then looking at the bracelet I was like I wonder if Cronos factory did this and San Martin did the case? Just a thought so I took the Cronos specific pins from L6005 and they fit perfectly in the Seestern bracelet. I honestly think this was a collaboration of the best bracelet and case maker for high end Ali-X watches. I know quality varies so much there but they really hit a home run with the Seestern S434, the two tone gold looks classy and puts this watch with the big boys IMO… goes so good with the gold applied indices too Edit: as far as the clasp goes I think the San Martin is too chunky and less refined. I like the clasp on my SN-0111 but I thought it should’ve been shaped and rounded off better at least on the top… and that’s what Seestern did with the S434. It’s not too much anything, just enough and just right. It’s the Goldilocks watch (for me) if they just had a bigger crown. For $160 or whatever I paid for this, it’s a bargain and offsets my Pagani-1752 Tiffany blue anger as I got them both delivered today. Yeah sorry you got a dud… I could tell in the video because the tolerances on mine are Cronos/San Martin esq
Just got the latest version of the Seestern in blue/gold , it is beautiful, very well put together and not at all blingy , which I was a bit concerned about. The clasp is now exactly the same as the SAN Martin with the same ratchet mechanism and 2 screws on the side ( same clasp different branding) and works very well . There is no back play in the bezel which is perfectly aligned and it has the larger crown . The fully lumed bezel is a bonus and gives a fantastic show when the lights go out. Clearly Seestern/ Sugess take on board criticism quickly and make modifications ,if possible , promptly. Thank you for the review and saving me £100 on what looks like the better watch.
Super helpful comparison! Both these watches executed some things better than the other. It’s a tough call, but I’d personally give the edge to Seestern because of the incredible value.
Very good and interesting comparison! I would choose the Seestern because it's more similar to the SeaQ imo, and the price. I'm a big fan of the SeaQ in rose gold with the rubber strap. I would love that Seestern making the same one. Thanks for this great comparison, James.
Not really to be honest. But seeing them both at the same time makes all the difference. The dimensions/proportions are better on the Seestern imo. Plus the applied indexes, that's why I prefer the Seestern, even if the SM has a better clasp, finishing, etc. I've always loved comparisons. It's always interesting!
Really like the gold tones on the seestern, that's what would take it for me. Do wish the crown was a bit more substantial though. It does look slightly out of place.
Seestern all day long. I have a couple of San Martins so I am a fan, but I have a Steeldive which I also like and I believe those are made in the same factory. The show is in the dial with the Sea-Q and Seestern have made that their priority while staying ahead of that San Martin as far as case shape is concerned too. Maaybe I will purchase. The price is right. I am glad Sea-Q homages are being produced now!
@@HonestWatchReviewsHWR it’s strange jn fact (but that’s sometimes how it is with watches). What pleases me about the Seestern is its case size and the applied numbers. Case shape, bracelet I like better on the San Martin. In general the proportion of the watch is better on the SM Imo.
@@HonestWatchReviewsHWR Hello, nice review. I have a serious question for you. I love the SeaQ and I hate the non-taper bracelet. I'm thinking about putting it on a beads of rice bracelet. Do you think this bracelet will fit on the SeaQ? Thanks!
The Seestern package overall is best and the much lower price makes it a clear winner for me. I've never been convinced that SM finish is all some make it to be in any case. My shillometer sometimes drifts into the red. I'll put one in my basket and price watch.
Couldn't agree more. The Seestern is not just the better watch but far better value too. Typical price for an NH35 on AE is around £25 while the PT5000 can be bought from a reputable AE seller for under £39. Companies will pay even less, so no justification for the huge price differential. I think SM are over priced and overrated, relying far to much on good finishing to justify their high prices. On wrist, this won't even be that apparent. I'll always rate design higher than finishing, as that's why you buy the watch and it's what you notice the most when wearing it.
I also agree with you on the apparent devotion that some people have to San Martin. I have two San Martin watches and while the quality is very good, my Seestern and Sugess watches are every bit equal to the San Martins. I find my San Martins “edgy” when handling them.
The shallower dial and box crystal lends the SM a more premium look and more closely resembles the original. The printed indices mess it all up, though.
The SM is perfect, case shape, lug to lug, dimension, bracelet, boxed sapphire crystal, movement……but it deserves the applied numerals, such a shame, hopefully there will come a V2.
Great review, thanks. I had already ordered the Seestern when I saw this, and glad I did. My clasp works fine, and don't mind the smaller crown. Wears great on a 6 and 3/4 inch wrist. Very impressed.
Great review the seestern wins hands down for me better looking watch alround the only issue is the bracelet but hey you can't win them all this is on my list to buy in the near future for sure.
If it had a solid back to shave off some millimeters from the thickness, I think the Seestern would be a solid winner despite its shortcomings. As it is, it's a bit close.
In my view, the Seestern 435 is a closer homage to the SeaQ, with the dial dimensions and applied indices, lack of drilled out lugs, and domed crystal (which differs from the Seestern 434v2). The 435 also comes with the SeaGull ST2130-B movement, as opposed to the Seestern 434v2 with its SI NH35A. The 435 does have a unique/signed crown...which deviates as a homage from the SeaQ's uniformly-cylindrical and signed crown. I went for the Seestern 435 S.S. in blue for about $200, delivered. Great deal, considering the specs on this AliExpress watch.
@@HonestWatchReviewsHWR Side note...technically, the Glashutte Original SeaQ is arguably a homage of the "Le Forban Securite Mer" that had been originally introduced in 1966 for the French Navy, a few years prior to the vintage East German (GDR) produced Glashutte (GUB) diver from that era. Therefore, the SeaQ is also, technically, a homage...and the Seestern S434/435 is either a homage or a homage of a homage.
I picked up the Seestern during the recent Aliexpress sale. Liking it so far, but I found some of the bracelet screws almost impossible to remove. They were stuck in very tight. The level of fit and finishing is okay--solid but not as good as say a Seiko or Citizen. I agree the on-the-fly clasp adjustment is a bit finicky and the mechanism feels a bit cheap. And I wish the crown were a bit bigger. But overall still a very good value.
I'd take the nh35 over the pt5000, even with the lower hz. In addition, the Seestern has applied indices vs printed... and all for a substantial cost savings.
I've just ordered a black and gold Seestern. I didn't know about the SM, but I wouldn't have picked it over the Seestern anyway, primarily because of the printed dial versus the applied markers, they really lift the Seestern.
If you could mix and match then I think you'd be able to get a pretty much perfect watch. Yeah the case on the San Martin is very similar to that of the 62MAS they do.
I voted with my wallet and purchased the Seestern in blue. I don’t think the San Martin is worth the premium, especially since the PT5000 comes with a ghost date and the indices are printed. After watching your video, I checked my watch and I don’t have any problems with the clasp or the bezel. So, I guess there is a bit of room for improvement when it comes to consistency at Seestern.
Seriously that case back is nicer than anything Seiko and most watch manufacturers have ever made. I also love their branding with the sea star. I would make the Seestern logo (on the dial) just a little larger on all their watches but the rest is pretty perfect IMO.
Seestern all the way mate. In black and gilt for me. Ok, and maybe with a beads of rice bracelet... LOL Thanks for the comparison James, realy helpful mate, cheers.
I have a soft spot for Seestern but this Seestern just does it for me. San Martin is no slouch when it comes to their watches but I'd rather have the Seestern. Both are great watches though. My rwo cents. Cheers!
I think the Seestern has the better proportions compared to the San Martin. I quite like how the date window is integrated and I prefer the applied numerals. Well I'm never a fan of the two-tone look and I think the gilted crown on the Seestern cheapens the look a little. But fortunately they offer regular stainless steel versions. Besides I don't have a lot of confidence in the PT5000 movements.
Both have pros & cons.Id rather have the nh35,and the dial seems better with no distortion on the S434 & better lume and fit(for me)I like the SM Bracelet,clasp and drilled lugs better though.So,I’d call them about even,depending on what you prefer.
Hmmm, the SM has weird dimensions for a "small" watch. Really nicely made though, like one would expect. But I'd go Seestern for the more reliable movement and applied indices.
TBH id have an NH movement over a PT5000 every time (cheaper to service/replace, more refined, less issues) - and the £100 difference is a hard sell for a watch so similar. The clasp being the only 'win' for the SM is not worth the extra cost. Infact even at the same price I would be more tempted by the Seestern. Thanks for sharing your thoughts - love the comparison videos.
I get what you're saying. I've personally not had any issues with PT5000 movements myself. But I know that some have. Also like you say it's a big price difference too. The Seestern dial just pops more with those applied indices too.
Others have said that their clasp isn't as bad as mine. So you might be alright. The price does make a difference too. Please consider using my affiliate link if you do end up getting it. It doesn't cost you any extra
Nice review. Both watches have their drawbacks. Clasp of the Seestern and absence of applied indecies on the San Martin/ Will be waiting for ver II o the San Martin. but liked your video.
Ps just found the San Martin clasp as used by Seestern on my version on Ali express for around £50 delivered inc uk tax. Puts the value for money into perspective .
I like the look of the Seestern better EXCEPT for the gold crown and gold edge to the bezel - is there an option without that??? Crown size would also be better larger like the San Martin. Movement could go both ways ... some prefer the reliability and ease of servicing a NH35 others prefer the more premium feel of the PT5000.
Yes they have other options that don't have the gold. The link to the watch is in the video description. I always include all of the relevant links there.
Gray comparison I'm still stuck between one or the other. There are pros and cons to both of them I wish the seestern had a larger crown, 12mm or thinner and a no date option
Great comparison. Shame the seestern didn’t go for beads of rice though the bracelet still looks great. The price is mind blowing!! With regards to the OTF adjustment clasps, I think your seestern just needs breaking in and will get smoother. Your short nails don’t help either lol. I bought the Pelagos homage from San Martin and I don’t like the fact it operates in the opposite direction and isn’t as nice to use even though it’s better engineered. I just preferred the seestern/sugess clasps
I am considering the Black and Gilt Seestern in the next Ali Express sale - the applied indeces are a critical difference here . I prefer its overall sizing and the fact that is has a date complication. I also like that it doesn't have any gold links on the bracelet. The value for money is superior too. I would happily pay a little extra for a beads of rice bracelet - I still think it would wear well on the Seestern. I like the drilled lugs on the San Martin though. Was there much of a difference in the quality of the steel finishing?
Yeah the applied indices make a really big difference don't they? I think for the price you're getting a lot. I'd say that the steel finish is pretty similar.
I think they're both too small for my 8.5 inch wrist but will probably take a chance witt the seastern. I just love how it looks. Hope it wont look too small on me!!
Most people seem to prefer the Seestern. I find myself wearing that one more too. I think it's the long lugs on the San Martin that I'm not so keen on.
@@HonestWatchReviewsHWR Still might go for the black steel or pay more for a Wolbrook. One of the USA reviewers is going to do a comparison on a Seestern and Wolbrook.
Seestern all day every day. But it does have flaws. A bigger crown Better action on the clasp Beads of rice bracelet would've elevated it to a new level For me the magor flaw is the size, i have a larger wrist and would've preferred 40+mm. Anyways well done seestern, sometimes they miss but getting better..
@@cmc6040 since this review came out they did upgrade some things with the v2. i think my perfect size is 40mm, i do own a couple of watches under and really wish both were bigger. one is the phoibos voyager v3, that watch is stunning imo. the other is a pedral artifact one of one i was gifted by the brand owner and that watch is something very special. you probebly know that people used to wear much smaller watches, men and women. what im trying to say, that if you like it that much just get it and enjoy it. but i would recommend of trying out something similar in size first just to see how its on your wrist..
Great comparison, James. I prefer the Seestern, which I actually own. I only wish it had come with beads of rice, but no big deal as I can swap. Believe it or not I also prefer the NH35. As for the clasp on the Seestern, mine seems to operate a little easier than yours. Thank you again James for sharing your thoughts.
Is this the v1 or v2 model? Apparently the v2 has a bigger crown. Thanks for the review. I'm probably going to pull the trigger on the Seestern with the blue+gilt. When I get it in, I'll experiment to see if the "Christopher Ward C63 Sealander Bader- 39mm" bracelet will fit on it... I love to experiment like that.
This is the V1, with the smaller crown. Thanks for watching mate. If you do end up getting one, please consider using my affiliate link, as it does help to support the channel. But you don't pay any extra.
@@HonestWatchReviewsHWRI'm hoping the bigger 'face' of the seastern works for me. Dial size Vs lug to lug I always go for dial size when choosing......
My Seestern clasp is easy to use and I have no backplay with the bezel. I chose the Seestern over the SM because: 1. It has the date, 2. The lug2lug size, 3. The applied indices and 4. The movement. I'm very pleased with it and actually prefer it on the supplied elasticated canvas strap.
That's good to hear. Yeah the lug to lug and applied indices are big wins for the Seestern.
0.6m l2l difference is nothing 😂
@@bifflee3603 The effective lug to lug is more like 50mm on the San Martin though.
That Seastern clasp is the same as used by Christopher Ward.
@@JamesandRibble Thanks for the info 👍
I just picked up this Seestern for $100 and am utterly blown away by the quality. Those indices are beautiful and my clasp is a breeze to adjust.
It's a lot of watch, for not a lot of money isn't it?
@@HonestWatchReviewsHWR 💯%
100$??? I prefer the upgrade version and it costs 280 Euros without Tax on aliexpress
100? Where from?
got mine for 150 and the new one for 200, for 100 it's a steal! I got not luck to catch those super sales
I have the black and gold version as I thought this would go with more clothes and styles etc...The blue and gold is also stunning am sure. I can't believe how well this watch is made. All the edges are so smooth, the bezel and sapphire are seemless (almost too perfect if you want something slightly rugged but I have G-Shocks for that!). It is so smart and elegant and marries beauty with function. My bracelet/adjustment is perfect due to the glidelock (6.5inch wrists). I feel it's presence but don't feel weighed down. I even slept with this on my wrist last night and it didn't bother me (normally I use G-Shock 5610u or F105W as ultra light)...The crown is on the small side but I think this makes the watch more elegant, less tool like, which, alongside the sunburst dial, applied indexes and gold accents fits very well with a more dressy diver. I would totally recommend this watch to anyone who wants a smart diver of reasonable proportions for a smaller wrist (not a small watch though, for those of you with bigger wrists), with a noticeable dial and very good quality craftsmanship. I had comments from people at work straight away. I know it's not an original design of course but I am a nurse and don't have thousands to spend on watches. I am also waiting for a delivery of the Reverie diver in grey/silver (more like double the price of the Seestern), which I think will also be amazing apart from the bracelet apparently where the glidelock only work half of the way (?) due to too few links being able to fit into the clasp when tightening the bracelet. Sorry long comment but I have spent years searching for a diver you can actually wear comfortably on a small wrist and that doesn't cost huge amounts of money. Voila!
No need to apologise for the long comment. It's great to hear that you're really enjoying the watch. They are lovely pieces. As you said the quality you're getting for the money is really good.
Thanks for the great comparison. I think the Seestern takes this comparison all day long; although, I have a SM with their new on the fly clasp, and it’s a game changer. Also apparently this exact design was used by numerous brands back in the 60’s. Thanks again!
Glad you enjoyed it. Yeah these new on the fly clasps that are on AliExpress now are certainly a game changer. As I said in my review of the San Martin.
So there's more than just the Wolbrook and SeaQ then?
Yup. Apparently many companies used them. I’ve never heard of them but Helbros, Herma, Andre Bouchard, Arnex, amongst others all used the same design. So this is more like a reissue more than a Homage in my opinion.
@@adk7962 Yeah I've not heard of any of them either. I think I called it more of a reissue in the video if I remember correctly.
@@HonestWatchReviewsHWR there is also a new brand: The Airain Sous-Marine.
Great comparison! I'm definitely gravitating towards the Seestern, but I really wish they could have slimmed down that midcase. The applied indexes, that dynamic dial, and the shorter lug to lug with the proper female endlinks really put it over the top! I wasn't sure I'd like the gold, but after seeing your blue version, and Steve's black, I really think those are the two colors to go for.
Thanks, I'm glad you liked it.
The proper female endlinks on the Seestern definitely make a big difference.
I'm not normally someone who goes for gold either. But I really think it works well on this.
I'm not a gold guy either, but that watch looks way better with it than without. The black one kind of reminds me of my Oris 65 with the bronze bezel in a way.
@@danspanos I think so too. I can see the resemblance.
Who is Steve? Is there a video of the black dial of this watch? Could you please link it?
Great comparison, and, as always, fair, professional and unbiased!
Thanks I appreciate that. I try my best to always keep it honest.
@@HonestWatchReviewsHWR Yea, and you are doing great job at it. As a consumer, I know I can trust your reviews completely. They truly deserve to be called HONEST watch reviews.
@@trogpo That's the aim. Have you bought many watches based on mine and other reviews then?
@@HonestWatchReviewsHWR Bought the Proxima "perfection" based on your review, and owning a Borealis Bull Shark V2, I could appreciate your super objective review.
@@trogpo What do you think of both of those then?
I went with the Seestern, but it was definitely a tough decision. I prefer the crystal, crown size, and beads of rice bracelet on the San Martin, but I really like the applied indices and the quick adjust clasp on the Seestern. If the Seestern had a 7mm+ crown, it would be perfect! Great review as always
What makes you prefer the clasp on the Seestern over the San Martin then?
@@HonestWatchReviewsHWRwell I have the SN0111-g and the Seestern S434. Both have great clasps but the Seestern is much easier switch compared to my SM. You definitely got an unlucky because my Seestern blue/gold is one of my favorite watches atm. The bezel has the perfect resistance and has zero play and lines up perfectly. I got it this morning and resizing it and usual new watch inspecting, being impressed by how refined it felt and could put my finger on why it felt so cleanly executed. Then looking at the bracelet I was like I wonder if Cronos factory did this and San Martin did the case? Just a thought so I took the Cronos specific pins from L6005 and they fit perfectly in the Seestern bracelet. I honestly think this was a collaboration of the best bracelet and case maker for high end Ali-X watches. I know quality varies so much there but they really hit a home run with the Seestern S434, the two tone gold looks classy and puts this watch with the big boys IMO… goes so good with the gold applied indices too
Edit: as far as the clasp goes I think the San Martin is too chunky and less refined. I like the clasp on my SN-0111 but I thought it should’ve been shaped and rounded off better at least on the top… and that’s what Seestern did with the S434. It’s not too much anything, just enough and just right. It’s the Goldilocks watch (for me) if they just had a bigger crown. For $160 or whatever I paid for this, it’s a bargain and offsets my Pagani-1752 Tiffany blue anger as I got them both delivered today. Yeah sorry you got a dud… I could tell in the video because the tolerances on mine are Cronos/San Martin esq
Just got the latest version of the Seestern in blue/gold , it is beautiful, very well put together and not at all blingy , which I was a bit concerned about. The clasp is now exactly the same as the SAN Martin with the same ratchet mechanism and 2 screws on the side ( same clasp different branding) and works very well . There is no back play in the bezel which is perfectly aligned and it has the larger crown . The fully lumed bezel is a bonus and gives a fantastic show when the lights go out. Clearly Seestern/ Sugess take on board criticism quickly and make modifications ,if possible , promptly. Thank you for the review and saving me £100 on what looks like the better watch.
It's always good to hear when brands make modifications based on customer/reviewer feedback. I'm glad you're happy with yours.
Super helpful comparison! Both these watches executed some things better than the other. It’s a tough call, but I’d personally give the edge to Seestern because of the incredible value.
Thanks. Yeah the value for money is the Seestern and the applied indices are really big pluses.
comeonnn....seestern seaq v2 with bor & box sapphire.
great comparison review btw bro ! keep up the good work
That would be great.
Thanks mate I appreciate that 👍
Ugh! I’m glad Seestern skipped the boxed crystal.
Very good and interesting comparison! I would choose the Seestern because it's more similar to the SeaQ imo, and the price.
I'm a big fan of the SeaQ in rose gold with the rubber strap. I would love that Seestern making the same one.
Thanks for this great comparison, James.
There's more differences than you'd expect isn't there?
Not really to be honest. But seeing them both at the same time makes all the difference.
The dimensions/proportions are better on the Seestern imo. Plus the applied indexes, that's why I prefer the Seestern, even if the SM has a better clasp, finishing, etc.
I've always loved comparisons. It's always interesting!
Really like the gold tones on the seestern, that's what would take it for me. Do wish the crown was a bit more substantial though. It does look slightly out of place.
I'm not normally one for gold on my watches, but I do really like this one. It's just the right amount I think.
Seestern all day long. I have a couple of San Martins so I am a fan, but I have a Steeldive which I also like and I believe those are made in the same factory. The show is in the dial with the Sea-Q and Seestern have made that their priority while staying ahead of that San Martin as far as case shape is concerned too. Maaybe I will purchase. The price is right. I am glad Sea-Q homages are being produced now!
Yeah I'd have to agree. The Seestern truly shines (pun intended) in the important areas.
I have been eyeing the Seestern recently but didn’t pull the trigger. Glad I didn’t because the San Martin pleases me more after your review. Thanks!!
I'm glad it was helpful. Any reason in particular you prefer the San Martin?
@@HonestWatchReviewsHWR it’s strange jn fact (but that’s sometimes how it is with watches). What pleases me about the Seestern is its case size and the applied numbers. Case shape, bracelet I like better on the San Martin. In general the proportion of the watch is better on the SM Imo.
Good comparison vid very informative.great work 😊
Cheers mate 👍
@@HonestWatchReviewsHWR Hello, nice review. I have a serious question for you. I love the SeaQ and I hate the non-taper bracelet. I'm thinking about putting it on a beads of rice bracelet. Do you think this bracelet will fit on the SeaQ? Thanks!
@@Tz304608 Having not had hands on exoerience with the SeaQ, I couldn't really say, sorry.
The Seestern package overall is best and the much lower price makes it a clear winner for me. I've never been convinced that SM finish is all some make it to be in any case. My shillometer sometimes drifts into the red. I'll put one in my basket and price watch.
For the price especially, the Seestern is a bit of a bargain I think.
Couldn't agree more. The Seestern is not just the better watch but far better value too. Typical price for an NH35 on AE is around £25 while the PT5000 can be bought from a reputable AE seller for under £39. Companies will pay even less, so no justification for the huge price differential. I think SM are over priced and overrated, relying far to much on good finishing to justify their high prices. On wrist, this won't even be that apparent. I'll always rate design higher than finishing, as that's why you buy the watch and it's what you notice the most when wearing it.
I also agree with you on the apparent devotion that some people have to San Martin. I have two San Martin watches and while the quality is very good, my Seestern and Sugess watches are every bit equal to the San Martins. I find my San Martins “edgy” when handling them.
The shallower dial and box crystal lends the SM a more premium look and more closely resembles the original. The printed indices mess it all up, though.
So which one would you lean towards then?
@@HonestWatchReviewsHWR I think I would wait for v2
@@Valvey789 Fair enough.
The SM is perfect, case shape, lug to lug, dimension, bracelet, boxed sapphire crystal, movement……but it deserves the applied numerals, such a shame, hopefully there will come a V2.
@@dannycph The lug to lug is a bit deceptive though, with that midlink.
Great review, thanks. I had already ordered the Seestern when I saw this, and glad I did. My clasp works fine, and don't mind the smaller crown. Wears great on a 6 and 3/4 inch wrist. Very impressed.
Thanks for watching. Did you get the black and gold or this blue one?
@@HonestWatchReviewsHWR blue
Great review the seestern wins hands down for me better looking watch alround the only issue is the bracelet but hey you can't win them all this is on my list to buy in the near future for sure.
@@nigelbowler1601 Thanks. Yeah if the Seestern had the BOR bracelet that the San Martin has, that would make it even better.
Excellent review. I bought the Seestern via your affiliate link. Thanks !
Thank you very much. Which colour did you go for?
@@HonestWatchReviewsHWRthe black.
Both gorgeous watches. If i could have the Seestern dial and gilt elements in the san Martin casei would be a very happy man
If it had a solid back to shave off some millimeters from the thickness, I think the Seestern would be a solid winner despite its shortcomings. As it is, it's a bit close.
In my view, the Seestern 435 is a closer homage to the SeaQ, with the dial dimensions and applied indices, lack of drilled out lugs, and domed crystal (which differs from the Seestern 434v2). The 435 also comes with the SeaGull ST2130-B movement, as opposed to the Seestern 434v2 with its SI NH35A.
The 435 does have a unique/signed crown...which deviates as a homage from the SeaQ's uniformly-cylindrical and signed crown.
I went for the Seestern 435 S.S. in blue for about $200, delivered. Great deal, considering the specs on this AliExpress watch.
Yeah I'd agree with you there. It's definitely a great deal.
@@HonestWatchReviewsHWR Side note...technically, the Glashutte Original SeaQ is arguably a homage of the "Le Forban Securite Mer" that had been originally introduced in 1966 for the French Navy, a few years prior to the vintage East German (GDR) produced Glashutte (GUB) diver from that era.
Therefore, the SeaQ is also, technically, a homage...and the Seestern S434/435 is either a homage or a homage of a homage.
@@jb678901 Ah ok. Thanks for the information. That'll be handy for people who say they don't like homages 😉
I picked up the Seestern during the recent Aliexpress sale. Liking it so far, but I found some of the bracelet screws almost impossible to remove. They were stuck in very tight. The level of fit and finishing is okay--solid but not as good as say a Seiko or Citizen. I agree the on-the-fly clasp adjustment is a bit finicky and the mechanism feels a bit cheap. And I wish the crown were a bit bigger. But overall still a very good value.
Yeah you can't really complain too much given the value for money can you?
I'd take the nh35 over the pt5000, even with the lower hz. In addition, the Seestern has applied indices vs printed... and all for a substantial cost savings.
The Seestern is great value for money. The applied indices take it to another level as well.
I've just ordered a black and gold Seestern. I didn't know about the SM, but I wouldn't have picked it over the Seestern anyway, primarily because of the printed dial versus the applied markers, they really lift the Seestern.
Having applied indices definitely takes it to another level I think.
San Martin with Seestern dial and movement would hit all the boxes.
SM case looks very similar to 62mas IMHO.
If you could mix and match then I think you'd be able to get a pretty much perfect watch.
Yeah the case on the San Martin is very similar to that of the 62MAS they do.
I expect it is the same case with just a different dial and bracelet.
I rate both brands, but in this case the SM is the better watch
Any particular reason why?
Nicer size, better movement, better bracelet and clasp
I voted with my wallet and purchased the Seestern in blue. I don’t think the San Martin is worth the premium, especially since the PT5000 comes with a ghost date and the indices are printed. After watching your video, I checked my watch and I don’t have any problems with the clasp or the bezel. So, I guess there is a bit of room for improvement when it comes to consistency at Seestern.
I'm glad yours is alright. I must have just gotten a bit unlucky then. With the on-thefly adjustment, perhaps it'll improve over time.
Seestern from the front.
SM from the sides.
I would go for the Seestern, but I'm waiting for V2 or V3 with their beautiful wave case back and larger crown with sea star logo.
I absolut agree.
Seriously that case back is nicer than anything Seiko and most watch manufacturers have ever made. I also love their branding with the sea star. I would make the Seestern logo (on the dial) just a little larger on all their watches but the rest is pretty perfect IMO.
Seestern all the way mate. In black and gilt for me. Ok, and maybe with a beads of rice bracelet... LOL
Thanks for the comparison James, realy helpful mate, cheers.
Andrew people have said they'd like it even more with a BOR bracelet... I also agree.
I have a soft spot for Seestern but this Seestern just does it for me. San Martin is no slouch when it comes to their watches but I'd rather have the Seestern. Both are great watches though. My rwo cents.
Cheers!
It is quite a looker isn't it?
I think the Seestern has the better proportions compared to the San Martin. I quite like how the date window is integrated and I prefer the applied numerals. Well I'm never a fan of the two-tone look and I think the gilted crown on the Seestern cheapens the look a little. But fortunately they offer regular stainless steel versions. Besides I don't have a lot of confidence in the PT5000 movements.
The proportions on the Seestern are certainly more logical. Some of the San Martin ones are a little odd.
Nice comparison review.
Tough choice...Seestern, I just can't get past the undersized crown however
Cheers.
Yeah it is a bit under sized for the case, but functionally it's not an issue at least.
@@HonestWatchReviewsHWR that's good to know
Both have pros & cons.Id rather have the nh35,and the dial seems better with no distortion on the S434 & better lume and fit(for me)I like the SM Bracelet,clasp and drilled lugs better though.So,I’d call them about even,depending on what you prefer.
Hmmm, the SM has weird dimensions for a "small" watch. Really nicely made though, like one would expect. But I'd go Seestern for the more reliable movement and applied indices.
That was the biggest shock to me... Pun intended 😉
Version 2 out on Seestern. Now has larger crown 😊
That's good to hear. Are you looking to get one then?
@@HonestWatchReviewsHWR yes but can't decide which colour I keep changing my mind
@@mpenny2008 I don't think you can really go wrong with any of them to be honest.
TBH id have an NH movement over a PT5000 every time (cheaper to service/replace, more refined, less issues) - and the £100 difference is a hard sell for a watch so similar.
The clasp being the only 'win' for the SM is not worth the extra cost. Infact even at the same price I would be more tempted by the Seestern.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts - love the comparison videos.
I get what you're saying. I've personally not had any issues with PT5000 movements myself. But I know that some have. Also like you say it's a big price difference too.
The Seestern dial just pops more with those applied indices too.
I would love to know if these bracelets are interchangeable. I would like to see the seestern on a beads of rice!
I cannot resist the black and gold of the Seestern , despite the inferior clasp and bracelet. A hundred quid difference is not nothing .
Others have said that their clasp isn't as bad as mine. So you might be alright. The price does make a difference too.
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seestern knocked it right out of the park with this one
Absolutely. It's still one of my favourites.
@@HonestWatchReviewsHWR planning to buy opne in the nxt aliexpress sale. what are the cons to that one though if you dont mind.
Nice review. Both watches have their drawbacks. Clasp of the Seestern and absence of applied indecies on the San Martin/ Will be waiting for ver II o the San Martin. but liked your video.
Thanks I'm glad you liked it.
The Douglas/Wolbrook predates the SeaQ ;)
Thanks for the info 👍
Ps just found the San Martin clasp as used by Seestern on my version on Ali express for around £50 delivered inc uk tax. Puts the value for money into perspective .
I like the look of the Seestern better EXCEPT for the gold crown and gold edge to the bezel - is there an option without that??? Crown size would also be better larger like the San Martin.
Movement could go both ways ... some prefer the reliability and ease of servicing a NH35 others prefer the more premium feel of the PT5000.
Yes they have other options that don't have the gold. The link to the watch is in the video description. I always include all of the relevant links there.
Gray comparison I'm still stuck between one or the other. There are pros and cons to both of them I wish the seestern had a larger crown, 12mm or thinner and a no date option
Thanks. I'm glad you liked it. Yeah there's definitely pros and cons to both. But I don't think you can go wrong with either really.
excellent review! keep them coming!!
Thank you. If you haven't seen it, I've also uploaded this review yesterday as well.
th-cam.com/video/SJEjqyVz8_c/w-d-xo.html.
Great comparison. Shame the seestern didn’t go for beads of rice though the bracelet still looks great. The price is mind blowing!! With regards to the OTF adjustment clasps, I think your seestern just needs breaking in and will get smoother. Your short nails don’t help either lol. I bought the Pelagos homage from San Martin and I don’t like the fact it operates in the opposite direction and isn’t as nice to use even though it’s better engineered. I just preferred the seestern/sugess clasps
Thank you. Yeah a BOR bracelet would have been really nice.
Yeah I'm hoping it gets better with time too 🤞
I am considering the Black and Gilt Seestern in the next Ali Express sale - the applied indeces are a critical difference here . I prefer its overall sizing and the fact that is has a date complication. I also like that it doesn't have any gold links on the bracelet. The value for money is superior too. I would happily pay a little extra for a beads of rice bracelet - I still think it would wear well on the Seestern. I like the drilled lugs on the San Martin though. Was there much of a difference in the quality of the steel finishing?
Yeah the applied indices make a really big difference don't they? I think for the price you're getting a lot. I'd say that the steel finish is pretty similar.
See stern dial and San Martin bracelet, and while we’re wishing, add a Tandorio price and I’m in.
Now that would be something special 😉
I think they're both too small for my 8.5 inch wrist but will probably take a chance witt the seastern. I just love how it looks. Hope it wont look too small on me!!
It's definitely worth a try, isn't it? Which colour are you thinking of going for then?
@@HonestWatchReviewsHWR the blue one, I think.
@@cmc6040 I don't think you can really go wrong with either to be honest. They both look really good.
The San Martin has better dimensions, better aesthetics, and a nicer bracelet, however I have had a few bad experiences with the PT5000. Ummm
Most people seem to prefer the Seestern. I find myself wearing that one more too. I think it's the long lugs on the San Martin that I'm not so keen on.
This is a close call, I’d lean towards the SeeStern
I wish they did the Seestern in black with fauxtina indices and bezel, if they did I would buy it and wear it on a tropical strap.
Interesting... People normally say they don't like fauxtina when I review a watch that has it.
@@HonestWatchReviewsHWR Still might go for the black steel or pay more for a Wolbrook. One of the USA reviewers is going to do a comparison on a Seestern and Wolbrook.
thorough. appreciate the work u put in doing the vid
Thanks. I hope it was helpful.
Seestern all day every day. But it does have flaws.
A bigger crown
Better action on the clasp
Beads of rice bracelet would've elevated it to a new level
For me the magor flaw is the size, i have a larger wrist and would've preferred 40+mm.
Anyways well done seestern, sometimes they miss but getting better..
What size wrist do you have?
@@HonestWatchReviewsHWR 7.5 but i crushed my wrist twice and go for larger sizes and loose fit..
@@sivanstar Ah ok. That makes sense.
@@sivanstarsorry to hear that. Hope all is ok now. I've an 8.5" wrist and am not sure if this would look ok on me.
@@cmc6040 since this review came out they did upgrade some things with the v2. i think my perfect size is 40mm, i do own a couple of watches under and really wish both were bigger. one is the phoibos voyager v3, that watch is stunning imo. the other is a pedral artifact one of one i was gifted by the brand owner and that watch is something very special.
you probebly know that people used to wear much smaller watches, men and women. what im trying to say, that if you like it that much just get it and enjoy it. but i would recommend of trying out something similar in size first just to see how its on your wrist..
Great comparison, James. I prefer the Seestern, which I actually own. I only wish it had come with beads of rice, but no big deal as I can swap. Believe it or not I also prefer the NH35. As for the clasp on the Seestern, mine seems to operate a little easier than yours. Thank you again James for sharing your thoughts.
That's good to hear that your clasp is a bit smoother in operation. Thanks for watching mate 👍
@@HonestWatchReviewsHWR 🙌
Can we get the Seestern dial with the San Martin case?
Tempted to get seestern with gold trim. But concerned the gold will wear off??
Obviously, I can't comment on the longevity of it... But so far it seems to be holding up pretty well.
Neither for me, as they are! But if SS used the NH 38 and the SM bracelet then that would be a winner....🏴⌚🏴⌚
Fair enough. Perhaps they might do something like that for a version 2.
I like Seestern...but also am worried that the plating part of the watch will wear out..😅
Only time will tell I guess.
I think the San Martin looks a bit odd and disproportionate, a heavily shrunk SeaQ-like dial in a 62mas like case? 90 click bezels are also a no-no.
The proportions are unusual on the San Martin.
Is this the v1 or v2 model? Apparently the v2 has a bigger crown. Thanks for the review. I'm probably going to pull the trigger on the Seestern with the blue+gilt. When I get it in, I'll experiment to see if the "Christopher Ward C63 Sealander Bader- 39mm" bracelet will fit on it... I love to experiment like that.
This is the V1, with the smaller crown. Thanks for watching mate. If you do end up getting one, please consider using my affiliate link, as it does help to support the channel. But you don't pay any extra.
The Seestern bezel didn't look aligned to me.
It looks different in person. That´s why.
Seestern!
The seagull version of the Seestern wears much much better
In your opinion whats the largest wrist size each could fit?
I'm not sure really. You'd have to measure your wrist width and then compare it to the lug to lug measurement and see what you think.
@@HonestWatchReviewsHWRI'm hoping the bigger 'face' of the seastern works for me. Dial size Vs lug to lug I always go for dial size when choosing......
@@cmc6040 🤞
El Seestern es mucho más bonito. 👌
Obtiene algunas de las cosas clave justo sobre el San Martín, ¿no es así?
@@HonestWatchReviewsHWR en total acuerdo. 👌
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Which one do you prefer then?
Seestern, not fan of BoR SM bracelet
Oh ok. Fair enough. Most people seem to want a BOR on the Seestern.
I never buy a Seestern watch again... the QC is bad and the Support is not present 👎
No recommendation!
wtf is a 90 click bezel even for?
I don't know.
Why are you whispering what are you afraid of
I record videos whilst someone in the next room is asleep, as they work nights. Plus I'm just a quiet person generally anyway.
I could never wear a watch with a ridiculous, nonsensical name like: Seestern, Berny, Rdunae, Tandorio. So, easily San Martin.
That's fair enough.