hey lucky. i'd like to touch on the transmog system in wow. if they implement a mog system like eso, where players can mog the slot the gear goes in, not the gear itself. this would reduce the amount of trips to the mog vendor because your gear will stay mogged no matter what piece is in the slot! let's get it noticed!
I dislike subs. Graphics are always the same with its usual monotonic atmospheric color selection for the area/region. WoW never wanted to adopt the play-for-free system like Gw2 and I do not classify playing for free to lvl 20 being anything close to 'PFF.' I started playing this game roughly 8 months before BC was coming out. I love the old content. But after cat and the lunatic dev burning everything down and vilifying Sylvanas, the game was really harmed and many left over it. Many of us have strong memories to its early days and many left for good wile others come to try new expansion only to leave it once again. There are many great things about WoW hands down.. GW2 and WoW both have incorporated many similar new game play like the new flying system, bears as characters, etc. I finished at Dragonflight and have not purchased the new expansions since I decided to play GW2. Less toxic. There are pros and cons to any game and WoW will always be special to me. But with friends all gone long ago, and the meeting o0f my76 f9iance at the time for 8 years from the game and now gone as well, it is just too lonely and feels like drudgery to play.
@@Armadan7 if its objectively better (lol, lmao) then why is it objectively less succesful in any way shape and form 😂😂also not even the most avid gw2 fan thinks the gryphon is better, its the opposite
@@johnaldjensen4617 GW2 and WoW have different scope because they intend to occupy different niche markets. And yes, the griffon is WAY better than dragon riding, while it's more limited, it's not janky, it actually fits in the level design, the mount system in general makes it a better experience and still requires a bit of a journey to unlock (I see this as a nice thing).
@@johnaldjensen4617 if anyone likes wow more than gw2 or vice versa so be it but comparing wow mounts to gw2 lol dont even try :D gryphon is hard to control sure but still by far the most fun to ride in any game
15 years ago I played because it was fun. 10 years ago I played for nostalgia. 5 years ago I played for the time and money I had spent. 1 year ago I stopped playing. What made me turn off WoW is the fact that, right after launching an expansion, the old one becomes completely useless... with that the fun ends, the nostalgia doesn't come, the time doesn't last and the money isn't worth it.
"...they might go back and clear some of the old content for cosmetics and mounts." I tried WoW Classic Season of Discovery a few months ago hoping to reignite that flame of adventure and discovery that I had when I was in middle school during WotLK. All I was met with was this type of mindset, doing stuff just to have stuff, people bitterly doing the same stuff over and over to get the stuff needed for the next stuff. I wish people would go back and 'clear old content' because the stories and places were magical and whisked you away from life's troubles. Not for cosmetics and mounts.
I was actually trying to research how a new player (myself) would start to go through the game. It seems like it's "lvl to max and funnel into the newest expac." Not really exploring and having fun progressing through zones and old content. (I'm a FF14 player and dabble in GW2 where old content is ALWAYS relevant.)
@@SpartanTAP A brand-new player would get funneled into the latest expansion, yes. As a veteran, I enjoy taking breaks from The Current Expansion by making a new character and doing a deep-dive into an old expansion to revisit all the stories and lore. That new character might get deleted once its immersive journey is complete (at level 50 they're saved permanently if you want to un-delete them later) but it's a fun way to explore a different continent without being overpowered. I also avoid the "heirloom gear" that levels up with you and is fairly powerful; mindlessly three-shotting mobs isn't my idea of fun 😅 I believe some MMOs, like GW2, were designed to allow all expansions to stay relevant as new ones were added. WoW wasn't built that way, and I don't foresee Blizzard going backward and trying to add the systems necessary to do that retroactively.
Here's a con: Coming from WoW classic, Retail lacks the feeling of a greater community that realms used to give. For example, coming across the same person multiple times in the game world even though we're doing different things.
Yeah and damn i miss the days of the groups that ran "For Azaroth" or "for the Horde" invading the cities for the bear mount....for to much fun trying to get a counter group up and figure out when to pounce and what to do when we get our ass kicked. Good times long gone
It's not just that. I really want to get in to retail but I finally got to my first dungeon and it was over in 15 minutes...Nobody spoke to eachother, if was just a mindless speed run. I was so let down by that. I remember doing a dungeon used to be an experience where people would chat to eachother about how to do things, now a dungeon is finished in the blink of an eye.
Yes because classic wow is the only true MMORPG that encourages grouping and joining a guild to do raids. Every other MMO has a queue button to just send you to a dungeon instantaneously but in classic wow you have to walk or mount up to the dungeon, or be summoned.
As somebody who’s always wanted to play WoW but never wanted to go back and play the old expansions, this made me buy and try it. So far level 72 frost mage and having a good time. Playing only new content with others also makes me feel good. I can finally say I enjoy WoW.
There were grumpy "veteran" players when WotLK dropped. It's an issue you wouldn't normally run into because these people don't have lives outside the game except on Reddit.
@@MiaogisTeas The grumpy veteran player shouldn't just be dismissed. There are probably legitimate reasons. Being passive aggressive is 12 year old maturity at best. Trolls are not grumpy veterans, just as much as presupposition is not fact. Give people a chance. The video here itself is just word salad anyways. If you don't want to read why, then don't be judgemental and dismissive. The reason why you don't normally "run into" it is because people have lives, and go do something else and not whine like woke children who make up reasons why people are not having a great time.
No, the class set restriction is not removed as of 11.0. it may be removed for the first patch but it is not removed yet because I was running night hold last night. Got the death knight class set drops on my warrior and got the warrior class set drops on my death knght. Always always always. The armor type is no longer restricted but the class sets still are.
If you are already blown away then you'd probably jump out of the window if you kept playing all the shit expansions that came after TBC/WOTLK and witnessed the entire shit show called Blizzard and it's psycho devs/staff just to end up being some psycho illuminati reptillian riding a dragon. There are literally not enough cow teets on this entire planet to compare to how much Blizzard has been milking this game throughout the years.
damn that’s a long time lol, i haven’t really played since MOP and i thought that was too long . really been thinking ab WoW recently hoping to buy a pc soon to jump back in.
I think your comment of 'i miss the journey' is what will stop me from returning. I used to love wandering and exploring, finding the scenes and stories hidden away off the beaten track and the excitement of moving on to a new zone. Now it just seems like a race to instanced content.
I wish that there was possibility to start journey (even solo) to play expansions as they were released, one by one, so new players could catch with the entire lore, and also allow players to experience all the content that the expansions had to offer, including raids. As person who never played World of Warcraft, I can imagine that old content raids/dungeons can be unavailable or not playable due to lack of people doing it, because it is old content. The lowered versions of the raid could be perfect for new players wanting to just test raids, so they can even complete it solo (with NPC as companions). There could be no loot at all, just to check what were mechanics of the bosses and what was in the raids. (if there is something like this in game already, please correct me in the comment). I often think that if i started to play WoW right now, I would not fit to the current playerbase, because I'm 20 years late to the party, have lack of the game knowledge, and I do not know if I would fit to the game by being a noob and noone would want to do new content with me. Could you please tell me as a potential new player, where could I start my journey to hop in World of Warcraft? And my next question is, how does the end content look like?
I believe when you first choose your character you can choose your expansion for your 1 to 60 levelling experience. I think they might have removed some of the really boring/tedious quests but essentially you keep all the core gameplay and cool quests whilst understanding the lore of that expansion. Then from level 60 you jump to the latest expansion. In theory you could create new characters and level them up in each of the old expansions that have been streamlined so that when you finish them your level 60.
the only reason i never started playing this game is because of the subscription, im already the kind of person that is heavily against them, but especially for games, i dont want to play a game for 50 hours, be tired of it for a while and having to slam another $15 on the table after 2 months just to play it again, i also dont want to force myself to play more just to make it worth my investment, if it was cheaper like $5-$10 or just $80 no subscription then i definitely would of tried it
Yeah, on top of that it’s you get a play up to level 20 for free but you level up so fast it forces you to buy a subscription and then you don’t get a level up as fast. See how they get you there and then you spend more time leveling, ideally was as fast as it took you to get to 20. You should be at level 80 within a week but they make it so difficult to do that.
I feel WoW has become so much about transmog, decking out your character and them focusing on that. Same as alot of games nowadays with skins. What happened to simple gaming lol
@@Wft-bu5zc it was pretty fun back in the day recognizing how powerful a character was just by how their gear looked. weak characters looked weak, because their armor was weak. it's just different now when characters with absolutely terrible stats can look just as strong as a max geared character. personally, I prefer the former. looking bad was part of the reason I wanted to gear up
Transmog was a mistake, they should bring back systems that actually matter, like reforging. Instead of cosmetic junk, a big part of looking cool should be because you EARNED the cool gear. If you want to look like a badass, do badass things, not farm old content that be done by a cat walking over the key board.
I have a Warcraft 3 Frozen Throne in my heart....whatever they do they will never be able to make me stop loving this world... it's my home... even if I haven't been there for decades
Long time FFXIV player starting in WoW last Friday. Im having a blast honestly. Last time i sat down to play WoW was in 2009. BFA is a slog but after that its pretty good. Currently transmog hunting. Edit. They updated Dragonflight as the leveling expansion for new players. Much much better than BFA. Also one you hit Lvl 50 and are exaulted with you corresponding faction Alliance or Horde you get Heritage armor for the race you are currently playing as as transmog account wide. The orc set is amazing.
The negativity is hard to escape in the comments sections, but I've really enjoyed this expansion so far. I like the tone and the world building for this. I know it's early days to say anything definitely about whether it is good or not, but at least it's a bit more time actually playing it than people who haven't tried it at all discouraging others from playing.
@@nzwj I agree. It's hard to escape negativity. People hate on anything nowadays. Especially the people who puff on the Blizzard hate gas 24/7. Yeah we get it they aren't how they were in the early 2000's. Move on.
would you say it's worth to get back into. been debating as well for some time to get back into WoW after playing FF14 for so long. my only prob is i'm worried about the story content since that's one thing i enjoy most for games. other is that idk what i would want to come back and play as. one nice thing about FF14 was that you could have all the jobs/classes on one character.
I'm a current ff14 player and I've really been thinking of trying out WoW. I haven't played it in many years. Good to see a fellow ff14 player trying it out.
@@Cordaran As an altoholic, I HATED that about FF14, haha. I enjoy having alts of varying races and capabilities; WoW's new Warband feature also took away my persistent "Should I play as Horde, or Alliance?" conundrum...now all my characters are on one list, regardless of server, so I play them equally. Manually swapping realms (which took maybe 7 seconds) was too hard 😂
@@JesseBarnes-o2l idk which game you are talking about, but either way you are right. I've seen videos of cheaters in both games and it is disgusting. As someone who enjoys playing pvp and pve equally, I've started to suspect everyone whenever I play pvp in either game. Atleast I don't consider cheaters in PVE to be a big problem. I'm there to clear the content with my knowledge and skills, so I don't really care about someone cheating their way through the content. But if you are trying to attack either game with these kind of accusations, you should probably check your facts, because both games have hackers and although one might have people that abuse the matchmaking system, you can still win if you have a good team and you are skilled yourself. While the other game has a lot more hackers that use third party software that plays the game for them. Both things are bad and I would've tried to find another way to attack either game.
@@awakenedBananaI’m referring to WoW. I’m strictly a storyline and PvP player. My skills are not the best but far from the worse. The matchmaking system is a set up. And yes they rig lobbies. Ratings never add up. And people always have an excuse as to why they won’t fight by your side. They troll your stats to make you look shitty then everyone gangs up on you even when you’re the top heals. Plenty of videos of my own to prove it. They took points two days ago before I got suspended and we won by 300 pts in blitz. They took 10 points off my rating. Tell Me how this game is t rigged
I started playing 3 days ago and so far I can say wow is one of those games where its made for the player to enjoy themselves and I don’t think it’d ever be too late to start playing
Its honestly deeply upsetting to see a game that I started to play at 6 years old (im 25 now) completely change and become something unrecognizalbe. The only thing that I can say as a positive is that Im glad Azeroth is now a home for others. I moved out, but I'll never forget.
It's the opposite for me, the game I played 14 years ago became unreconizable and I left 6 years ago. Now, even if it's not close to the experiences I had during these days, the game reignited a lot of feels I had during Wotlk.
The best thing WoW did is give us a mute button for those that were 6 years old. 😅Even gave them their own channel that we could just turn off. 😂I didn’t allow my nephew to join my guild, and he was older than you. He was too immature, and acted out like I predicted, like guild hopping. Guilds stopped letting him in, and he came back to me. Nope! You are too young. There are plenty of appropriate games for your age. The newer WoW is very dumbed down. We had to have full time instance/dungeon management planners. It was very coordinated, and we had to practice. That is what kept players in your guild, because we were fulfilling their reasoning for joining us. We gave them access. 6 year olds don’t belong, and I can’t imagine you’re able to properly play WOW. But it gets boring, so come and play later about 5-6 years ago, and joined the darkside aka the Horde, because they had less silly 6 year olds ruining the game. You are just too young or not mature enough for this game. What were your parents thinking? They were thinking anything to keep you distracted and doing something else instead of annoying the F out of them everyday.
WoW just feels like a single player game that has speedrun dungeons. it really has lost its entire identity. its hardly worth calling it an mmo anymore
@rattlehead999 swyor was built to be that way. Gw2 quite literally has an entire pvp zone with roaming bands of people. Eso is built to be basically like fallout 76 (a fleshed out campaign) like swotor. Those are specific types. Meanwhile, new world, eve online, runescape, albion online, gw2 (yes, its extremely social and teamwork is needed) everquest, ultima online, throne and liberty are all extremely social experiences and require grouping and interaction
RuneScape veteran here. I first started playing WoW last year and I am having a blast exploring the massive world, playing the campaign, and collecting cool things! I can happily say that I love both games for what they are but I think I'll be playing WoW from now on!
@DNJ9o9o I enjoy the community! The world feels alive and active in my realm (moon guard) despite how big WoW is. I don't get grilled for noob mistakes in dungeons and raids. People converse with each other for the most part.
If wow actually wants to be back on track with high popularity and also bigger earnings they should make the game also console accessible, now days you don’t need 25 buttons for 1 character
My original experience with wow (using every free trial i saved up for a good 3 months playtime) I made a dwarven hunter, and i enjoyed the unique starting areas and questlines, but as soon as it threw me to the big city, i started to lose track of the storyline but made a career has a hunter and leatherworker, ended up making a contact that paid me top gold for my resources and crafts
i used to love wow but the reason i stopped playing was simply displayed in an episode of South Park. I've spent hours on hours on hours leveling up and trying to get the best gear possible to finally actually establish myself in the game so i can actually finally play and enjoy the game and once i reach that point i say to myself "now what?" and realize it was all for nothing.
Nah this isn’t an issue with WoW - there’s endless things you can go on to do; challenges, mounts, transmog gear, fall in love with PvP, up your farming/profession game to make bank (some people play wow just for the economic side of it lol), list goes on. Plus you can start another class/race and fall in love all over. Hell, I can’t count how many times I’ve done that, and my 2nd or 3rd character became my new main because I fell in love with, for example, a warlock after only playing healer or something. WoW is dope.
Similiar to rust I used to think the same and in a sense , it is all pointless we should be achieving real life achievements and bettering ourselves but at the same time I look back and im glad i experienced it,met so much cool people , had fun and i guess i learned something at the end.
I wanna get into WoW i ALWAYS have played the trials, i always dreamed of raiding with my guild and battling, trying to save for a pc is difficult with bills, but soon enough ill get there!
I mean games like gw2, eso, and to an extent ff14 already solved the issue of old content being unused and dead. How those games scale and implement content keeps a lot of evergreen content around. Why WoW has no good solution is strange.
stupid old me got in debt and had very little funds while progressing through Legion, learning about goldmaking and being able to buy my gametime with that was a blessing. I'm definitely not saying it's all great but aside from making it easier for me to play it also added a whole new layer to WoW through learning the economy.
I would recommend wow to someone due to the immerse MMO world that WoW has gifted to us for the past decades. However, I hope to see a refocus on the storyline from 1-60. This is important as it is an introduction to the World of warcraft lore. I believe if the storyline can be a bit more easier to follow with new mechanics, the game would be absolutely stellar. It's a great game. But this needs improvement
Personally for me you nailed it about the button bloat - just too much going on, feeling like i need 20 addons to play the game. I currently am playing the classic version & enjoying the grind, journey, simplicity of the game. I feel rewarded when i level and get new gear as i can feel the change as i progress. I am truly a classic andy LOL
I haven't played in almost 17 years and wanted to jump on. I'm 50/50 on the War Within. Way too much going on. Can't keep up with the story. Maybe it's because I'm older now. IDK. But I miss the OG game I stood in line for in 2004ish
@@AmberxCamp Hey! So i've played War Within since release.. and I have 2 level 80s and working on my 3rd alt.. i honestly do enjoy this style of gameplay as yes it is completely different than classic where mobs are a lot more difficult. There is more buttons/spells for retail. But I do recommend as they have added a ton of just new things to keep us WoW players busy, and to enjoy the process of whatever style of gameplay you want. Leveling, questing, RPG, Exploration, dungeons, pvp and much more. Hope you jump back on & enjoy the story and whatever features you like !
I'm really enjoying the classic. Maybe once I get my bearings back maybe I'll jump back and try War Within. Right now I'm just fan girling over all the old memories. It's been a great outlet from reality...and really good for days when I don't nail a PR in the gym!
From reading through a lot of the comments. It doesn't actually seem like most of you don't like WoW. It more so seems like you don't like mmorpg's and you're just blaming it on WoW.
I started playing a week ago, the game almost lost me when i created a base character, and after the tutorial it just throws you in a very confusing story, tried battle for azeroth and it got boring really fast. Tried creating a Dracthyr, and it got its own storyline, apart from the mess of the main events, and it was a lot more compelling to just play as a class and race I could easily jump into, and just dive into Dragonflight.
@@gabrielandrade2566 retail isnt time consuming . Unless you want to bet top 1% in pvp or pve. Otherwise after finishing campaign and gear a bit in pvp and pvp, you can play easily only 5-6 hours a week and be done with it. They rly improved on this aspect. I agree, the start may take more hours, first week, but thats in any mmo, even GW2 Anyway , wish you all the best🤗🤗
I never knew you can get the sub with this token. Outside north america the game gets expensive because the dollar is very expensive so I never tried the game because on top of buying the game, I still would have to pay monthly, and it's not cheap. Ima look into it and try it out. Great video.
imo the only way to fix the problem for new players is to make two alternate epilogues at the beginning of new storylines that converge at a certain point and continue as one story, and you play one or the other depending on if you're new or returning, and then probably just always throw people into the new expansion unless they don't own it
How is delves a good idea? One of the many reasons classic beats retail is because it feels more like a community, a real mmo. Retail felt like a ghost town last I played it, and making solo dungeons is just going to make that feel worse.
If I had to express it: The reason Old School MMOs were so hardfocused on group content is that "gamers" were still developing as a cultural subgroup. 2004-2008 was a sort of huge pathway to discovery where "gamers" were still pretty much just isolated groups of individuals who finally had a chance to connect with other people. Modern MMOs, however, have modern gamers. We're pretty asocial, nowadays. We have our friendgroups already pretty well established and either don't care to socialize or are wary of running in to Capital G "Gamers", creeps, incels or weirdos, so we either dip our toes in solo and play our own way, or we've already set things up so our friends are going to join with us and our intention is only to play with them. It doesn't make much sense to create 40man content when the result is just going to be 15 or so groups of 3-5 people who really aren't interested in social interaction and just want rewards. I mean, way back when I was a preteen, I was running in server first BRS, Ulduar, Naxx, ICC with my aunt's guild and having a blast but... now? I can't be asked to gather up the 10 people needed to run GW2's Wing 5 Raid because I don't want to deal with people if I don't have to.
@ that wasn’t true in my case. In 2019 when I first played classic, i did indeed play with a pre made group of 3 friends. But I enjoyed meeting new people, enjoyed joining a guild and having them teach us all the mechanics. I’m very much about new people.
regarding timewalking.. think it will depend on the type of player you are.. if you mainly want end game or pvp, then yah, no timewalking.. however, if you want to experience all the lore, then probably will do the expansions.. and honestly they are fun to do at least once per faction. also, i really hope they add back in archaeology to the game to encourage folks to explore the lore of the past in a fresh way on retail.
I watched at least four different videos before this one and you knocked it out of the park. You answered every question a returning/veteran player might have in fantastic detail. Wish there was something better than a like button; keep up the great work!
I love WoW and I haven’t started this new expansion yet. I’ve been farming for gear and armor sets in MoP. So far I heard my class is doing good in this new expansion. I might push mythics with my guild but they play with members that have rep.
maybe some WoW pro reads this and can answer my question, because i tried before and didn't get it right but: Can i start a char in modern WoW and play the story in chronological order? can i somehow deactivate quests that werent meant to be there when you first start your adventure? because when i tried a year back or so, as the video described i got punched left and right with places and names and into a quest oversees and next second i was in pandaria and such things alike and never got around to actually do the "normal route" .
I haven't played the game in over 5 years and came back this month. Overall I enjoy questing but don't like what the game has become. All the characters are completely different and I don't recognize how to play any of my characters. Having said that, I am really disappointed on how similar almost every character is to play now. I do like how you can solo in different places a lot easier but it seems too easy to do everything now. When You said it use to be "about the journey" I felt that. In less than a month I have brought 3 of my characters to level 70. (the highest I can go currently.) That blows my mind how quick it is now to level up characters. My beloved death knight which was my main is just a shadow of what the character was before, and honestly I don't find myself enjoying much which I absolutely loved before. Other than the solo game play flexibility, I can't say I like anything new about this game unfortunately.
So if you start a brand new character now, you basically have access to everything you've accomplished on all your other character? Ie, crafting levels, gathering etc?
Not the profession stuff. Nothing that will impact the player economy. However, the Warband bank does give access to mats gathered on one character to use in another characters crafting. They even have a filtering system with it to make it easier.
basically only generic stuff like achievements and a shared vault. Professions would be nice but WoW wants to keep you limited to 2 still i believe. you know....for nostalgia purposes, definitely not because their game can't handle it.
one point confused me, if u run old raids on say a demon hunter the raid still drops other armor types meaning u can collect ur mage set while playing as ur demon hunter?
All the hesitation to start wow again as a casual questing dungeon player is gone now. Being able to just focus on the new content/cosmetics makes new player experience a lot better!
if you asked me in 2004 what i thought the game would be like in 20 years, compared to what it ended up being, i would have looked so foolish. I really thought this game would grow with me with all the billions it was making. But here we are.. why did i actually expect this game to actually evolve.
Great video! This expansion brought me back to WoW after having not played since shortly after Cataclysm launched. I am so out of touch with the story, but I have been absolutely loving my time in the Dragon Isles leveling up before starting TWW.
Thinking about getting into WoW, mostly for the story content. However, I'm old and slow.. As a new player you don't start at the beginning of the story? Is that correct?
@@dantino1979 You can also experience all the story in chromie time which allows you to level up from level 10 to 70 in 1 expansion of your choice. You can level 1 character per expansion. Also there are class builds that require very low input and APM to be played, they just don't do top damage, which doesn't matter.
I haven't played for years, last expansion I played was around BFA or maybe Legion.. It just seems like a actual time consumption to get back into this. Idk if the cost will rack up or if theyve condensed it, idk the lore anymore, idk how to actually play anymore because of updates, idk about all the addons I used, I don't know if its actually worth it. My nostalgia is good for this game, and I don't want to break it.
I never really raided or played arena. I just level my character, played battlegrounds and dungeons. I loved it. But that was back in TBC. Haven't really played much since. Having little time to play these days, the major things keeping me from playing again is keybinds and addons. I just can't be arsed spending hours on setting it all up. Or not to bother now just to relearn stuff later down the line. But I guess that's a me problem.
These things have all been streamlined and are doable without mods. I do the raiding thing at a high level with 4-5 hours of game time per week on average. The game has been heavily modernized
Man how I miss the days of Wrath of the Lich King....some of the best times, best folks and best content. The build up to ICC and the 1st lich kill....never can get that again. I played for from beta till Cataclysm then left till Pandaria then left....started Draneor for a week and left until BFA. Went all the way throught that then left yet again until dragonflight...made it till the 1st raid release and of course left. Just never could find that interest, that feel again but been dying to get back in so will of course get the new expansion and run for a bit. Hopefully this one will have that pull that wrath had....man those were the days
I love this world and combat, but it often feels like combat is the only thing in this world. A dye system, meaningful player housing and more involved professions would go a long way in fleshing out the experience.
2:15 - wow, took me back. Thinking about when I last played/enjoyed the game in Cataclysm feels like a few years ago, holy shit there's been so many trash xpacs come and gone since then that nobody bats an eyelid at. I would LOVE to LOVE WoW again, and have tried to return so many times. I get to the loading screen and hear the music and realise, nah - not interested. So the message is I enjoy dropping a load of money for a game I have never actually played. Other games on the market (outside of the genre included) have just left this game dead in the dust. I could never understand why they charged a subscription fee for such a product, F2P indie games have ten times the content updates and service production of WoW which does blow my mind. Thankfully I am one of those that deleted and uninstalled many many many years ago, I struggle to fathom why people continue to play a game they don't enjoy - in some cases HATE. Still hope the game does well and people enjoy it, there's a lot of fond memories had (looking at you WOTLK)! Never to be lived again.
Its too late they already design the game around endgame and nothing else which is why I found my home in LoTRO and feel in love with the landscape difficulty settings. Not to mention LoTRO is an amazing MMO in its own right.
I logged into my lvl 70 priest (still without expansion to check what changed and considering upgrading to TWW) and did an Ulduar run cuz I used to do it every week for mounts, but had hard time dealing with leviathan at lvl 70. Is there some scaling changes I’m not aware of?
No king Arthas then I don’t care plus spoilers The new expansions villain is connected to Sylvannas. Do the writers have some requirement to have everything somehow include her?
i really hate the subscription price of wow, it is insane how developed countries at minimum wage earn enough money for subscribtion in 1-2 hours but many not so developed countries get similar prices with much lower minimum wage meaning it would take us 4-6 hours to earn enough for it the purchasing power is simply not the same
I've been playing pretty consistently since Wrath, and WW may be my favorite expansion. (I realize it's early and Blizz can still wreck it in the next year or so.) Solo-friendly, account-wide rep and currencies, a nice amount of weekly stuff to do on my main character without feeling overwhelmed or burned out. NO DAILIES. I'm so glad Blizzard got away from daily quests. Perhaps there's daily CDs on profession stuff still, I don't know because I'm ignoring those. When retail starts to feel repetitive, I can hop onto my Vanilla-Classic characters and experience Ye Olde Hardmode. Slow down and smell the peacebloom. Feel scared if I have to pull two mobs at once. That's still pretty fun too; it's clearly the same game, but the obligatory slower pace and clunkier systems makes it feel very different. I absolutely love Follower Dungeons (with bot NPCs as your group) and hope they are eventually added to every older expansion as well. I was in queue for a BfA dungeon recently for two solid hours, and it never popped. Obviously most people are playing War Within, I don't blame them for not leveling another alt through BfA to see the storylines again...but it would've been nice to complete all the dungeon quests as I reached them. I do still mail items between characters, because my Warbank is stuffed to the brim 😅 I understand the issues with the addition of the WoW Token (essentially buying gold with $$, or buying game-time with gold) but since its addition, I haven't paid for a single month of WoW with real money, and am grateful I can do that. I have more time than cash, and can now pay for my playtime with...time!
one thing id change on retail is the leveling process - i love classic for how the leveling works but playing pre-tbc to tbc to wotlk and again and again gets a little boring over time
I think thats a fair concern, and we'll find out, but I know a lot of people who love to raid. Especially since they need to raid to unlock vault rewards for that track, and any other cosmetics or mounts tucked into that content. But if happens that more people are having more fun delving, is it bad they aren't forced to raid? I'd have to think about it
Is the action combat mode in the settings only for the newest expansion? I'm currently playing in the dragon flight, I don't recall seeing that setting anywhere.
But imagine being a mage and farming old raids on a weekly lock out and a demon hunter set drops and you don't even have a demon hunter. Appart from that i love your content man keep it up 😊😊
I've been playing WoW since 2005, and it's better than ever. I'm not stuck on nostalgia, I like my life and moving forward. New content is always fun and exciting, raiding is always good with friends and open world and solo content is better now than in the early expansions and it's not debatable, it's not even close.
Been playing since classic and… nope. Before I get called out saying get gud. I’ve ran all 20+ keys (or 10 in S4) and what are my thoughts? Nope. I slowly have been finding myself not enjoying priority rotations for combat. The 15 priority queue order is just not fun. I don’t want 3 buttons, but also pressing 15 is starting to just not be enjoyable. Them adding in hero talents adds more complexity towards an already overly complex system.
recently started playing Guild Wars 2, and I have to say, it seems like GW2 is much better with the expansions compared to WoW. I'm definitely in the mood to play through all the expansions in a row because it's so much fun, and the world never feels empty. There's always something happening somewhere, and I find it really good and relaxing. When I tried WoW, I only got to almost level 20, but I felt so alone. The world was really nice, but I felt isolated. Not the experience I was hoping for an online rpg. What do you think?
GW2 is a different beast. WoW focuses on high end group content and your goal is to earn gear to clear content, to have better gear to clear more content, the questlines and world can be very secondary depending on the extension. GW2 focuses on the main quest and large explorable areas, the goal is to earn all the smaller goals the world has to offer, the high end content is often an after thought. Benefits of WoW : Every players focus on one expac so new players and vets experience the same fresh things. Downsides of WoW : The rest of the 20 years worth of content is close to dead. Once you burn through the content, you will restart everything next year. Benefits of GW2 : The population is easy to encounter on every maps, new players have 12 years worth of alive content. Lots of long term goals. Downsides of GW2 : Content can get stale pretty quicly for vets. Interactions between players is limited.
I havnt played wow in years and have the urge to play again. Can i still level via the older content, or will i be forced to go to the new areas ? Thanks
kinda like they do in destiny? I think that would be an excellent solution which wow kind of does with gear score but would be cool to see zones/dungeons solely bound to the gearscore levels like this zone is gearscore 0-1100 and the next is 1100-2500. this turned into a ramble srry.
@@DabDat91 i levelled 7 alts to 70 in 4 days in the pre patch... im brand new to the game.. like brand new.. is there relly any point in levelling? i got to 77 just completing the first section of the new xpac.. what is the point
Skipping those old content without paying to skip all of them is really really good decision..unlike in ffxiv that this is not an option..i need to play 400+ hrs first before i can go to the new expansion..or have an option to skip them by paying all of the story skips!!!
Story skips are for alts which you don't need in FF14 unless you are a hardcore raider that needs to gear multiple roles simultaneously and even then you don't have to.
u trying Janthir Wilds? Seen a few wow creators turnup in it all of a sudden. Im bias, 20ish hours into it, its miles beta than SoTo, more back to their routes, but doesnt beat the pre-EoD expansions. Sad War within is same week, I play both and this is gonna be knackering!
What's the community and pvp like? I haven't played WoW in forever, but never played GW2, just GW1. Recently stopped playing XIV and that was my goto for the past 14 years, now looking for something different.
I wanna like gw2 but there’s just something about wow that pulls me in ever so slowly after years of not being there. The only thing that irks me about wow is the pricing. At least 50 dollars for an expansion AND a subscription?! I already have a max lvl character in gw2 but idk why but something feels like it’s not letting me actually enjoy it and I always have wow in the back of my mind… Any gw2 advice is welcome
@@AnriDarkmoor I stopped playing wow after legion and picked up gw2. The community is far better in every way compared to wow. Guilds are actually helpful and very active daily. You can join 6 guilds at once. I have a guild for pvp and wow, one for raiding, one for open world and friends and one I made. You won't regret it trust me.
@@AnriDarkmoor GW2 is great for casual player. You can get on and off without losing anything. The only thing you have to understand is that there is no carrot to chase, 98% of the endgame gear for 1 character 1 spec you can get in under a week, hell in one day you can get 80% there. So most of the stuff is for doing em casually, setting challenges and goals for youself, the game won't do it for you. Personally I got bored after couple months because I finished all endgame content and there was no incentive for me to replay it, I don't care about cosmetics, nor replaying the same content on different class. The game has the best community out of all MMOs I've played, I didn't encounter a single toxic player that wouldn't help me getting better or more out of the game.
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some played it for two decades and hate everything it has become
@@LuckyGhostMorgan Day confirmed it's true in an interview. Was not an inteded decision, it just required more work due to the backend code?tech? Somethin like that
Amen to a 'dye system'!!! Your vid almost... has me tempted to try the new expansion as your gripes were my gripes and the true end game is the 'drip' as the kids say.
Thanks so much for watching!
Try Guild Wars 2 for FREE if you're new or buy the Janthir Wilds expansion if you're returning! wehy.pe/y/31/LuckyGhost
Promoting GW2 on a WOW video 😜
Honestly gw2 is amazing... left wow after legion to play gw2 and never looked back.😊
@@jasonb2916 gw2 feels like a game in a good way instead of a choir :)
hey lucky. i'd like to touch on the transmog system in wow. if they implement a mog system like eso, where players can mog the slot the gear goes in, not the gear itself. this would reduce the amount of trips to the mog vendor because your gear will stay mogged no matter what piece is in the slot! let's get it noticed!
I dislike subs. Graphics are always the same with its usual monotonic atmospheric color selection for the area/region. WoW never wanted to adopt the play-for-free system like Gw2 and I do not classify playing for free to lvl 20 being anything close to 'PFF.' I started playing this game roughly 8 months before BC was coming out. I love the old content. But after cat and the lunatic dev burning everything down and vilifying Sylvanas, the game was really harmed and many left over it. Many of us have strong memories to its early days and many left for good wile others come to try new expansion only to leave it once again. There are many great things about WoW hands down.. GW2 and WoW both have incorporated many similar new game play like the new flying system, bears as characters, etc. I finished at Dragonflight and have not purchased the new expansions since I decided to play GW2. Less toxic. There are pros and cons to any game and WoW will always be special to me. But with friends all gone long ago, and the meeting o0f my76 f9iance at the time for 8 years from the game and now gone as well, it is just too lonely and feels like drudgery to play.
GW2 sponsoring a WoW vid is ballsy lol.
It is, and I respect it.
It's an objectively better game. And the gryphon flying is way better feeling than the dragon riding lol
@@Armadan7 if its objectively better (lol, lmao) then why is it objectively less succesful in any way shape and form 😂😂also not even the most avid gw2 fan thinks the gryphon is better, its the opposite
@@johnaldjensen4617 GW2 and WoW have different scope because they intend to occupy different niche markets. And yes, the griffon is WAY better than dragon riding, while it's more limited, it's not janky, it actually fits in the level design, the mount system in general makes it a better experience and still requires a bit of a journey to unlock (I see this as a nice thing).
@@johnaldjensen4617 if anyone likes wow more than gw2 or vice versa so be it but comparing wow mounts to gw2 lol dont even try :D gryphon is hard to control sure but still by far the most fun to ride in any game
15 years ago I played because it was fun.
10 years ago I played for nostalgia.
5 years ago I played for the time and money I had spent.
1 year ago I stopped playing.
What made me turn off WoW is the fact that, right after launching an expansion, the old one becomes completely useless... with that the fun ends, the nostalgia doesn't come, the time doesn't last and the money isn't worth it.
Iv never played before should I start im bored af
Beautifully written tbh
"...they might go back and clear some of the old content for cosmetics and mounts." I tried WoW Classic Season of Discovery a few months ago hoping to reignite that flame of adventure and discovery that I had when I was in middle school during WotLK. All I was met with was this type of mindset, doing stuff just to have stuff, people bitterly doing the same stuff over and over to get the stuff needed for the next stuff. I wish people would go back and 'clear old content' because the stories and places were magical and whisked you away from life's troubles. Not for cosmetics and mounts.
I was actually trying to research how a new player (myself) would start to go through the game. It seems like it's "lvl to max and funnel into the newest expac." Not really exploring and having fun progressing through zones and old content. (I'm a FF14 player and dabble in GW2 where old content is ALWAYS relevant.)
@@SpartanTAP A brand-new player would get funneled into the latest expansion, yes. As a veteran, I enjoy taking breaks from The Current Expansion by making a new character and doing a deep-dive into an old expansion to revisit all the stories and lore. That new character might get deleted once its immersive journey is complete (at level 50 they're saved permanently if you want to un-delete them later) but it's a fun way to explore a different continent without being overpowered. I also avoid the "heirloom gear" that levels up with you and is fairly powerful; mindlessly three-shotting mobs isn't my idea of fun 😅
I believe some MMOs, like GW2, were designed to allow all expansions to stay relevant as new ones were added. WoW wasn't built that way, and I don't foresee Blizzard going backward and trying to add the systems necessary to do that retroactively.
Here's a con: Coming from WoW classic, Retail lacks the feeling of a greater community that realms used to give. For example, coming across the same person multiple times in the game world even though we're doing different things.
Yeah and damn i miss the days of the groups that ran "For Azaroth" or "for the Horde" invading the cities for the bear mount....for to much fun trying to get a counter group up and figure out when to pounce and what to do when we get our ass kicked. Good times long gone
It's not just that. I really want to get in to retail but I finally got to my first dungeon and it was over in 15 minutes...Nobody spoke to eachother, if was just a mindless speed run.
I was so let down by that. I remember doing a dungeon used to be an experience where people would chat to eachother about how to do things, now a dungeon is finished in the blink of an eye.
@@uh-ohspaghettio7826 But raids and such still give that experience no?
@@questionsayer Wouldn't know, haven't done one yet
Yes because classic wow is the only true MMORPG that encourages grouping and joining a guild to do raids. Every other MMO has a queue button to just send you to a dungeon instantaneously but in classic wow you have to walk or mount up to the dungeon, or be summoned.
As somebody who’s always wanted to play WoW but never wanted to go back and play the old expansions, this made me buy and try it. So far level 72 frost mage and having a good time. Playing only new content with others also makes me feel good. I can finally say I enjoy WoW.
Im feeling a bit eh about trying it rn, any good hopes to look forward to to persuade me?
I'm a WoW veteran, and I loved your polite chide of grumpy veteran players.
There were grumpy "veteran" players when WotLK dropped. It's an issue you wouldn't normally run into because these people don't have lives outside the game except on Reddit.
@@MiaogisTeas The grumpy veteran player shouldn't just be dismissed. There are probably legitimate reasons. Being passive aggressive is 12 year old maturity at best. Trolls are not grumpy veterans, just as much as presupposition is not fact. Give people a chance. The video here itself is just word salad anyways. If you don't want to read why, then don't be judgemental and dismissive. The reason why you don't normally "run into" it is because people have lives, and go do something else and not whine like woke children who make up reasons why people are not having a great time.
They don't add dyes because that's basically their cosmetic progression system... mythic raid items are just recolor of the same lfr items.
Mythic raid items are the only ones with an upgrade over the other 3, not just a pallet swap.
The Class set restriction for collexting transmogs will be removed when TWW launches by the way.
I thought they said it would be in 11.1? (First TWW patch)
No, the class set restriction is not removed as of 11.0. it may be removed for the first patch but it is not removed yet because I was running night hold last night. Got the death knight class set drops on my warrior and got the warrior class set drops on my death knght. Always always always. The armor type is no longer restricted but the class sets still are.
As someone who hasn’t played since Burning Crusade, I’m blown away by how much better WoW feels now, and I’m having a blast so far
Wow, I also haven’t played since TBC, but thinking now might actually be the time to pull the trigger again😃
If you are already blown away then you'd probably jump out of the window if you kept playing all the shit expansions that came after TBC/WOTLK and witnessed the entire shit show called Blizzard and it's psycho devs/staff just to end up being some psycho illuminati reptillian riding a dragon. There are literally not enough cow teets on this entire planet to compare to how much Blizzard has been milking this game throughout the years.
I just got back on, I agree it feels good. Just a little sad that the new players won't get the same old WoW we grew up with.
Same here, last I played was Cata. Yesterday I downloaded it and it feels great to be back
damn that’s a long time lol, i haven’t really played since MOP and i thought that was too long . really been thinking ab WoW recently hoping to buy a pc soon to jump back in.
I think your comment of 'i miss the journey' is what will stop me from returning. I used to love wandering and exploring, finding the scenes and stories hidden away off the beaten track and the excitement of moving on to a new zone.
Now it just seems like a race to instanced content.
I wish that there was possibility to start journey (even solo) to play expansions as they were released, one by one, so new players could catch with the entire lore, and also allow players to experience all the content that the expansions had to offer, including raids.
As person who never played World of Warcraft, I can imagine that old content raids/dungeons can be unavailable or not playable due to lack of people doing it, because it is old content. The lowered versions of the raid could be perfect for new players wanting to just test raids, so they can even complete it solo (with NPC as companions). There could be no loot at all, just to check what were mechanics of the bosses and what was in the raids. (if there is something like this in game already, please correct me in the comment).
I often think that if i started to play WoW right now, I would not fit to the current playerbase, because I'm 20 years late to the party, have lack of the game knowledge, and I do not know if I would fit to the game by being a noob and noone would want to do new content with me.
Could you please tell me as a potential new player, where could I start my journey to hop in World of Warcraft? And my next question is, how does the end content look like?
I believe when you first choose your character you can choose your expansion for your 1 to 60 levelling experience. I think they might have removed some of the really boring/tedious quests but essentially you keep all the core gameplay and cool quests whilst understanding the lore of that expansion. Then from level 60 you jump to the latest expansion. In theory you could create new characters and level them up in each of the old expansions that have been streamlined so that when you finish them your level 60.
the only reason i never started playing this game is because of the subscription, im already the kind of person that is heavily against them, but especially for games, i dont want to play a game for 50 hours, be tired of it for a while and having to slam another $15 on the table after 2 months just to play it again, i also dont want to force myself to play more just to make it worth my investment, if it was cheaper like $5-$10 or just $80 no subscription then i definitely would of tried it
Yeah, on top of that it’s you get a play up to level 20 for free but you level up so fast it forces you to buy a subscription and then you don’t get a level up as fast. See how they get you there and then you spend more time leveling, ideally was as fast as it took you to get to 20. You should be at level 80 within a week but they make it so difficult to do that.
I feel WoW has become so much about transmog, decking out your character and them focusing on that. Same as alot of games nowadays with skins. What happened to simple gaming lol
Agreed transmog is so lame
@@justinnieves2520 How is it lame? Would you rather your character look awful and ridiculous?
@@justinnieves2520 ???
@@Wft-bu5zc it was pretty fun back in the day recognizing how powerful a character was just by how their gear looked. weak characters looked weak, because their armor was weak. it's just different now when characters with absolutely terrible stats can look just as strong as a max geared character. personally, I prefer the former. looking bad was part of the reason I wanted to gear up
Transmog was a mistake, they should bring back systems that actually matter, like reforging. Instead of cosmetic junk, a big part of looking cool should be because you EARNED the cool gear. If you want to look like a badass, do badass things, not farm old content that be done by a cat walking over the key board.
I have a Warcraft 3 Frozen Throne in my heart....whatever they do they will never be able to make me stop loving this world... it's my home... even if I haven't been there for decades
best rts ever made
Long time FFXIV player starting in WoW last Friday. Im having a blast honestly. Last time i sat down to play WoW was in 2009. BFA is a slog but after that its pretty good. Currently transmog hunting.
Edit. They updated Dragonflight as the leveling expansion for new players. Much much better than BFA.
Also one you hit Lvl 50 and are exaulted with you corresponding faction Alliance or Horde you get Heritage armor for the race you are currently playing as as transmog account wide. The orc set is amazing.
The negativity is hard to escape in the comments sections, but I've really enjoyed this expansion so far. I like the tone and the world building for this. I know it's early days to say anything definitely about whether it is good or not, but at least it's a bit more time actually playing it than people who haven't tried it at all discouraging others from playing.
@@nzwj I agree. It's hard to escape negativity. People hate on anything nowadays. Especially the people who puff on the Blizzard hate gas 24/7. Yeah we get it they aren't how they were in the early 2000's. Move on.
would you say it's worth to get back into. been debating as well for some time to get back into WoW after playing FF14 for so long. my only prob is i'm worried about the story content since that's one thing i enjoy most for games. other is that idk what i would want to come back and play as. one nice thing about FF14 was that you could have all the jobs/classes on one character.
I'm a current ff14 player and I've really been thinking of trying out WoW. I haven't played it in many years. Good to see a fellow ff14 player trying it out.
@@Cordaran As an altoholic, I HATED that about FF14, haha. I enjoy having alts of varying races and capabilities; WoW's new Warband feature also took away my persistent "Should I play as Horde, or Alliance?" conundrum...now all my characters are on one list, regardless of server, so I play them equally. Manually swapping realms (which took maybe 7 seconds) was too hard 😂
"Is WoW worth.... "PLAY GUILD WARS 2 NOW"... Playing in 2024?"
guild wars is a piece of shit
Not unless you like cheaters and hackers
@@JesseBarnes-o2l idk which game you are talking about, but either way you are right. I've seen videos of cheaters in both games and it is disgusting. As someone who enjoys playing pvp and pve equally, I've started to suspect everyone whenever I play pvp in either game. Atleast I don't consider cheaters in PVE to be a big problem. I'm there to clear the content with my knowledge and skills, so I don't really care about someone cheating their way through the content.
But if you are trying to attack either game with these kind of accusations, you should probably check your facts, because both games have hackers and although one might have people that abuse the matchmaking system, you can still win if you have a good team and you are skilled yourself. While the other game has a lot more hackers that use third party software that plays the game for them. Both things are bad and I would've tried to find another way to attack either game.
What is he trying to say
@@awakenedBananaI’m referring to WoW. I’m strictly a storyline and PvP player. My skills are not the best but far from the worse. The matchmaking system is a set up. And yes they rig lobbies. Ratings never add up. And people always have an excuse as to why they won’t fight by your side. They troll your stats to make you look shitty then everyone gangs up on you even when you’re the top heals. Plenty of videos of my own to prove it. They took points two days ago before I got suspended and we won by 300 pts in blitz. They took 10 points off my rating. Tell
Me how this game is t rigged
I started playing 3 days ago and so far I can say wow is one of those games where its made for the player to enjoy themselves and I don’t think it’d ever be too late to start playing
You can still play the old starting zones....just saying. You don't just have to do exile's reach.
They are extremely dumbed down though. In Vanilla they are fun because you don't two shot mobs and there is a risk of dying.
@@Peter-rt3fl Exactly. Now you can run through every enemy like they're made out of paper.
I have been playing since 2004 but I always take a couple of months break every few years to keep the game feel fresh
Long term OSRS, casual GW2, FF14 and ESO player. I picked it up during the end of dragonflight and I've been having a blast ever since.
Osrs here, do you play both or just wow now
@@Cosmosis462 I don't have time for both, so I'm playing wow at the moment. But one does not simple give up OSRS, I'll be back for sailing
@@Cosmosis462 Just wow, I'll go back to OSRS once sailing happens
Lucky Ghost, Your videos always brighten my day, so I subscribed!
Played non-stop from beta up until about 6 years ago, end game raiding the whole time. Watching this video makes it tempting to come back.
Its honestly deeply upsetting to see a game that I started to play at 6 years old (im 25 now) completely change and become something unrecognizalbe. The only thing that I can say as a positive is that Im glad Azeroth is now a home for others. I moved out, but I'll never forget.
the nostalgia things are different man is sad.
Thats why many of us are playing classic and sod.
There should be a real classic plus soon too, so plenty to do.
It's the opposite for me, the game I played 14 years ago became unreconizable and I left 6 years ago. Now, even if it's not close to the experiences I had during these days, the game reignited a lot of feels I had during Wotlk.
The best thing WoW did is give us a mute button for those that were 6 years old. 😅Even gave them their own channel that we could just turn off. 😂I didn’t allow my nephew to join my guild, and he was older than you. He was too immature, and acted out like I predicted, like guild hopping. Guilds stopped letting him in, and he came back to me. Nope! You are too young. There are plenty of appropriate games for your age. The newer WoW is very dumbed down. We had to have full time instance/dungeon management planners. It was very coordinated, and we had to practice. That is what kept players in your guild, because we were fulfilling their reasoning for joining us. We gave them access. 6 year olds don’t belong, and I can’t imagine you’re able to properly play WOW.
But it gets boring, so come and play later about 5-6 years ago, and joined the darkside aka the Horde, because they had less silly 6 year olds ruining the game. You are just too young or not mature enough for this game. What were your parents thinking? They were thinking anything to keep you distracted and doing something else instead of annoying the F out of them everyday.
@@aquariuscomfort Agreed sod playing with kids. Even kids in there 20s in questionable. They are just as bad as the younglins =]
WoW just feels like a single player game that has speedrun dungeons. it really has lost its entire identity. its hardly worth calling it an mmo anymore
that's how pretty much 95% of MMOs are nowadays and they've become that because people liked them like that.
WoW has become a co-op game.
@rattlehead999 by 95% of mmos you mean literally only ff14 and wow lol
@@OrphanCrippler1 TESO, GW2, BDO, SW the old republic.
@rattlehead999 swyor was built to be that way. Gw2 quite literally has an entire pvp zone with roaming bands of people. Eso is built to be basically like fallout 76 (a fleshed out campaign) like swotor. Those are specific types.
Meanwhile, new world, eve online, runescape, albion online, gw2 (yes, its extremely social and teamwork is needed) everquest, ultima online, throne and liberty are all extremely social experiences and require grouping and interaction
@@OrphanCrippler1 We are talking about PVE being majority solo/singleplayer focused, PVP is always a group content.
i think this review caters to the casual gamer, but wow is definitely made for the absolute sweaty pumper on the whole
RuneScape veteran here. I first started playing WoW last year and I am having a blast exploring the massive world, playing the campaign, and collecting cool things! I can happily say that I love both games for what they are but I think I'll be playing WoW from now on!
How is the community?
@DNJ9o9o I enjoy the community! The world feels alive and active in my realm (moon guard) despite how big WoW is. I don't get grilled for noob mistakes in dungeons and raids. People converse with each other for the most part.
If wow actually wants to be back on track with high popularity and also bigger earnings they should make the game also console accessible, now days you don’t need 25 buttons for 1 character
You deserve more views. This was really concise & well thought out. Thanks.
My original experience with wow (using every free trial i saved up for a good 3 months playtime) I made a dwarven hunter, and i enjoyed the unique starting areas and questlines, but as soon as it threw me to the big city, i started to lose track of the storyline but made a career has a hunter and leatherworker, ended up making a contact that paid me top gold for my resources and crafts
Now that I'm not a broke teenage I'm coming back to try it out, last time I played had the giant doom dragon
i used to love wow but the reason i stopped playing was simply displayed in an episode of South Park. I've spent hours on hours on hours leveling up and trying to get the best gear possible to finally actually establish myself in the game so i can actually finally play and enjoy the game and once i reach that point i say to myself "now what?" and realize it was all for nothing.
Well i mean yeah... But every single game in the world have that "now what?" feeling in the end. I mean for me it's like every time i play a game XD.
@@Cotton603 it wasn't for nothing, it was for entertainment. It's a game after all.
Nah this isn’t an issue with WoW - there’s endless things you can go on to do; challenges, mounts, transmog gear, fall in love with PvP, up your farming/profession game to make bank (some people play wow just for the economic side of it lol), list goes on.
Plus you can start another class/race and fall in love all over. Hell, I can’t count how many times I’ve done that, and my 2nd or 3rd character became my new main because I fell in love with, for example, a warlock after only playing healer or something.
WoW is dope.
Similiar to rust I used to think the same and in a sense , it is all pointless we should be achieving real life achievements and bettering ourselves but at the same time I look back and im glad i experienced it,met so much cool people , had fun and i guess i learned something at the end.
If the leveling itself wasn't enjoyable to you then MMOs might not be your genre
I feel like I missed on so much to return back now
same
It's patch based, you miss 4 months of content. You can easily catch up too. DF and especially WW have very fast gearing.
I wanna get into WoW i ALWAYS have played the trials, i always dreamed of raiding with my guild and battling, trying to save for a pc is difficult with bills, but soon enough ill get there!
I mean games like gw2, eso, and to an extent ff14 already solved the issue of old content being unused and dead. How those games scale and implement content keeps a lot of evergreen content around. Why WoW has no good solution is strange.
Level scaling and horizontal progression comes with its own set of issues. There isn't a perfect solution, so it's definitely pick your poison atm
wahhhhhhhhh wahhhhhhhhhhh wahhhhhhhhhhhh
stupid old me got in debt and had very little funds while progressing through Legion, learning about goldmaking and being able to buy my gametime with that was a blessing. I'm definitely not saying it's all great but aside from making it easier for me to play it also added a whole new layer to WoW through learning the economy.
At 15:43 , what's the mmorpg you talk about?
I would recommend wow to someone due to the immerse MMO world that WoW has gifted to us for the past decades. However, I hope to see a refocus on the storyline from 1-60. This is important as it is an introduction to the World of warcraft lore. I believe if the storyline can be a bit more easier to follow with new mechanics, the game would be absolutely stellar. It's a great game. But this needs improvement
Personally for me you nailed it about the button bloat - just too much going on, feeling like i need 20 addons to play the game. I currently am playing the classic version & enjoying the grind, journey, simplicity of the game. I feel rewarded when i level and get new gear as i can feel the change as i progress. I am truly a classic andy LOL
I haven't played in almost 17 years and wanted to jump on. I'm 50/50 on the War Within. Way too much going on. Can't keep up with the story. Maybe it's because I'm older now. IDK. But I miss the OG game I stood in line for in 2004ish
@@AmberxCamp Hey! So i've played War Within since release.. and I have 2 level 80s and working on my 3rd alt.. i honestly do enjoy this style of gameplay as yes it is completely different than classic where mobs are a lot more difficult. There is more buttons/spells for retail. But I do recommend as they have added a ton of just new things to keep us WoW players busy, and to enjoy the process of whatever style of gameplay you want. Leveling, questing, RPG, Exploration, dungeons, pvp and much more. Hope you jump back on & enjoy the story and whatever features you like !
I'm really enjoying the classic. Maybe once I get my bearings back maybe I'll jump back and try War Within. Right now I'm just fan girling over all the old memories. It's been a great outlet from reality...and really good for days when I don't nail a PR in the gym!
From reading through a lot of the comments. It doesn't actually seem like most of you don't like WoW. It more so seems like you don't like mmorpg's and you're just blaming it on WoW.
I started playing a week ago, the game almost lost me when i created a base character, and after the tutorial it just throws you in a very confusing story, tried battle for azeroth and it got boring really fast.
Tried creating a Dracthyr, and it got its own storyline, apart from the mess of the main events, and it was a lot more compelling to just play as a class and race I could easily jump into, and just dive into Dragonflight.
Same thing if you start reading a trilogy book with nr 3😊
@@andreichetan4694 I can understand the logic, but WoW is like in the eighty second book, Lot more time and dedication that i am able to give
@@gabrielandrade2566 retail isnt time consuming . Unless you want to bet top 1% in pvp or pve. Otherwise after finishing campaign and gear a bit in pvp and pvp, you can play easily only 5-6 hours a week and be done with it.
They rly improved on this aspect.
I agree, the start may take more hours, first week, but thats in any mmo, even GW2
Anyway , wish you all the best🤗🤗
I never knew you can get the sub with this token. Outside north america the game gets expensive because the dollar is very expensive so I never tried the game because on top of buying the game, I still would have to pay monthly, and it's not cheap. Ima look into it and try it out. Great video.
depends where you live. Some countries can't pay a sub specially if there are no regional prices.
Can’t just get bnet gift cards?
@@jeremyarnold677 I have not seen any gift cards around this area or in other city tbg, I'm pretty sure they don't sell those over here
imo the only way to fix the problem for new players is to make two alternate epilogues at the beginning of new storylines that converge at a certain point and continue as one story, and you play one or the other depending on if you're new or returning, and then probably just always throw people into the new expansion unless they don't own it
15:40 what is that referring to? Who’s making it? ESO team making another mmo?
How is delves a good idea? One of the many reasons classic beats retail is because it feels more like a community, a real mmo. Retail felt like a ghost town last I played it, and making solo dungeons is just going to make that feel worse.
If I had to express it:
The reason Old School MMOs were so hardfocused on group content is that "gamers" were still developing as a cultural subgroup. 2004-2008 was a sort of huge pathway to discovery where "gamers" were still pretty much just isolated groups of individuals who finally had a chance to connect with other people.
Modern MMOs, however, have modern gamers. We're pretty asocial, nowadays. We have our friendgroups already pretty well established and either don't care to socialize or are wary of running in to Capital G "Gamers", creeps, incels or weirdos, so we either dip our toes in solo and play our own way, or we've already set things up so our friends are going to join with us and our intention is only to play with them. It doesn't make much sense to create 40man content when the result is just going to be 15 or so groups of 3-5 people who really aren't interested in social interaction and just want rewards.
I mean, way back when I was a preteen, I was running in server first BRS, Ulduar, Naxx, ICC with my aunt's guild and having a blast but... now? I can't be asked to gather up the 10 people needed to run GW2's Wing 5 Raid because I don't want to deal with people if I don't have to.
@ that wasn’t true in my case. In 2019 when I first played classic, i did indeed play with a pre made group of 3 friends. But I enjoyed meeting new people, enjoyed joining a guild and having them teach us all the mechanics. I’m very much about new people.
This was such a good video :O and I have never played WoW, think imma give it a try!
regarding timewalking.. think it will depend on the type of player you are.. if you mainly want end game or pvp, then yah, no timewalking.. however, if you want to experience all the lore, then probably will do the expansions.. and honestly they are fun to do at least once per faction.
also, i really hope they add back in archaeology to the game to encourage folks to explore the lore of the past in a fresh way on retail.
Does this 10-60 leveling in Dragonflight work now? Or do I have to wait until The War Within launches?
it works right now!
This best balanced and fair review I've seen so far. Great video!
I watched at least four different videos before this one and you knocked it out of the park. You answered every question a returning/veteran player might have in fantastic detail. Wish there was something better than a like button; keep up the great work!
Wow, thanks! glad you enjoyed it :D
I love WoW and I haven’t started this new expansion yet. I’ve been farming for gear and armor sets in MoP. So far I heard my class is doing good in this new expansion. I might push mythics with my guild but they play with members that have rep.
maybe some WoW pro reads this and can answer my question, because i tried before and didn't get it right but:
Can i start a char in modern WoW and play the story in chronological order? can i somehow deactivate quests that werent meant to be there when you first start your adventure?
because when i tried a year back or so, as the video described i got punched left and right with places and names and into a quest oversees and next second i was in pandaria and such things alike and never got around to actually do the "normal route" .
I haven't played the game in over 5 years and came back this month. Overall I enjoy questing but don't like what the game has become. All the characters are completely different and I don't recognize how to play any of my characters. Having said that, I am really disappointed on how similar almost every character is to play now. I do like how you can solo in different places a lot easier but it seems too easy to do everything now. When You said it use to be "about the journey" I felt that. In less than a month I have brought 3 of my characters to level 70. (the highest I can go currently.) That blows my mind how quick it is now to level up characters. My beloved death knight which was my main is just a shadow of what the character was before, and honestly I don't find myself enjoying much which I absolutely loved before. Other than the solo game play flexibility, I can't say I like anything new about this game unfortunately.
So if you start a brand new character now, you basically have access to everything you've accomplished on all your other character? Ie, crafting levels, gathering etc?
Not the profession stuff. Nothing that will impact the player economy. However, the Warband bank does give access to mats gathered on one character to use in another characters crafting. They even have a filtering system with it to make it easier.
basically only generic stuff like achievements and a shared vault. Professions would be nice but WoW wants to keep you limited to 2 still i believe. you know....for nostalgia purposes, definitely not because their game can't handle it.
@@raxiddenistrae1208 How would shared professions impact player economy?
one point confused me, if u run old raids on say a demon hunter the raid still drops other armor types meaning u can collect ur mage set while playing as ur demon hunter?
As a returning player healing sucks, dps stand in the bad. It's all about the dps meter. Then I stopped giving a shit and started tanking again.
All the hesitation to start wow again as a casual questing dungeon player is gone now. Being able to just focus on the new content/cosmetics makes new player experience a lot better!
A GW2 ad during a video about WoW is some seriously hilarious shit lmao.
left 16years ago, had a couple of relationships, marriage, a daughter, now a divorce aged 50... and then tempted to go back
That’s my issue you go through a bunch of shit and always seems like wow makes me happy again lol
if you asked me in 2004 what i thought the game would be like in 20 years, compared to what it ended up being, i would have looked so foolish. I really thought this game would grow with me with all the billions it was making. But here we are.. why did i actually expect this game to actually evolve.
Great video! This expansion brought me back to WoW after having not played since shortly after Cataclysm launched. I am so out of touch with the story, but I have been absolutely loving my time in the Dragon Isles leveling up before starting TWW.
Thinking about getting into WoW, mostly for the story content. However, I'm old and slow.. As a new player you don't start at the beginning of the story? Is that correct?
you can play wow classic, and then the next 3 classics are the first 3 expansions x
@@remixtheterm thx!
@@dantino1979 You can also experience all the story in chromie time which allows you to level up from level 10 to 70 in 1 expansion of your choice. You can level 1 character per expansion. Also there are class builds that require very low input and APM to be played, they just don't do top damage, which doesn't matter.
I haven't played for years, last expansion I played was around BFA or maybe Legion.. It just seems like a actual time consumption to get back into this. Idk if the cost will rack up or if theyve condensed it, idk the lore anymore, idk how to actually play anymore because of updates, idk about all the addons I used, I don't know if its actually worth it. My nostalgia is good for this game, and I don't want to break it.
I never really raided or played arena. I just level my character, played battlegrounds and dungeons. I loved it. But that was back in TBC. Haven't really played much since.
Having little time to play these days, the major things keeping me from playing again is keybinds and addons. I just can't be arsed spending hours on setting it all up. Or not to bother now just to relearn stuff later down the line.
But I guess that's a me problem.
These things have all been streamlined and are doable without mods. I do the raiding thing at a high level with 4-5 hours of game time per week on average. The game has been heavily modernized
Man how I miss the days of Wrath of the Lich King....some of the best times, best folks and best content. The build up to ICC and the 1st lich kill....never can get that again. I played for from beta till Cataclysm then left till Pandaria then left....started Draneor for a week and left until BFA. Went all the way throught that then left yet again until dragonflight...made it till the 1st raid release and of course left. Just never could find that interest, that feel again but been dying to get back in so will of course get the new expansion and run for a bit. Hopefully this one will have that pull that wrath had....man those were the days
I love this world and combat, but it often feels like combat is the only thing in this world. A dye system, meaningful player housing and more involved professions would go a long way in fleshing out the experience.
Its cool that even if you start on the second or third expansions of the, you can learn the dragon flying and focus on the new content.
2:15 - wow, took me back. Thinking about when I last played/enjoyed the game in Cataclysm feels like a few years ago, holy shit there's been so many trash xpacs come and gone since then that nobody bats an eyelid at. I would LOVE to LOVE WoW again, and have tried to return so many times. I get to the loading screen and hear the music and realise, nah - not interested. So the message is I enjoy dropping a load of money for a game I have never actually played. Other games on the market (outside of the genre included) have just left this game dead in the dust. I could never understand why they charged a subscription fee for such a product, F2P indie games have ten times the content updates and service production of WoW which does blow my mind. Thankfully I am one of those that deleted and uninstalled many many many years ago, I struggle to fathom why people continue to play a game they don't enjoy - in some cases HATE. Still hope the game does well and people enjoy it, there's a lot of fond memories had (looking at you WOTLK)! Never to be lived again.
Warcraft is a jumbled mess. It's over, let it die. Needs a sequel game without a tangled storyline and horrible pacing.
Exacly.
I came here after an alliance mate from Star Trek Fleet Command recommended WOW to me. Not so sure I want to start playing it now.
Its too late they already design the game around endgame and nothing else which is why I found my home in LoTRO and feel in love with the landscape difficulty settings. Not to mention LoTRO is an amazing MMO in its own right.
@@Vandakaiunfortunately that games dying.
@@thehawk5141 ah its better than trek yu will be fine
I logged into my lvl 70 priest (still without expansion to check what changed and considering upgrading to TWW) and did an Ulduar run cuz I used to do it every week for mounts, but had hard time dealing with leviathan at lvl 70. Is there some scaling changes I’m not aware of?
Long answer, Yes it's worth playing (according to the actual video, not the random comment)
eh, i dont know if its worth playing as a vet, but its certainly more accessible for new players.
Agreed@@Koranthus
I think Ashes of Creation might have the potential to be genuine competition to WoW when, if, it's finished. We shall see.
What drives me away of get into WoW again is this greedy, nasty price or 50 euros for it. It is too much. Anything more than 30 bucks is a steal.
the war band thing sounds cool, i hope in the future they implement the option to use Alts as followers or npc like for solo dungeons ;)
No king Arthas then I don’t care plus spoilers
The new expansions villain is connected to Sylvannas. Do the writers have some requirement to have everything somehow include her?
But did they fix solo shuffle queue times? And making it a focal point of the game
i really hate the subscription price of wow, it is insane how developed countries at minimum wage earn enough money for subscribtion in 1-2 hours but many not so developed countries get similar prices with much lower minimum wage meaning it would take us 4-6 hours to earn enough for it
the purchasing power is simply not the same
I've been playing pretty consistently since Wrath, and WW may be my favorite expansion. (I realize it's early and Blizz can still wreck it in the next year or so.) Solo-friendly, account-wide rep and currencies, a nice amount of weekly stuff to do on my main character without feeling overwhelmed or burned out. NO DAILIES. I'm so glad Blizzard got away from daily quests. Perhaps there's daily CDs on profession stuff still, I don't know because I'm ignoring those.
When retail starts to feel repetitive, I can hop onto my Vanilla-Classic characters and experience Ye Olde Hardmode. Slow down and smell the peacebloom. Feel scared if I have to pull two mobs at once. That's still pretty fun too; it's clearly the same game, but the obligatory slower pace and clunkier systems makes it feel very different.
I absolutely love Follower Dungeons (with bot NPCs as your group) and hope they are eventually added to every older expansion as well. I was in queue for a BfA dungeon recently for two solid hours, and it never popped. Obviously most people are playing War Within, I don't blame them for not leveling another alt through BfA to see the storylines again...but it would've been nice to complete all the dungeon quests as I reached them.
I do still mail items between characters, because my Warbank is stuffed to the brim 😅 I understand the issues with the addition of the WoW Token (essentially buying gold with $$, or buying game-time with gold) but since its addition, I haven't paid for a single month of WoW with real money, and am grateful I can do that. I have more time than cash, and can now pay for my playtime with...time!
one thing id change on retail is the leveling process - i love classic for how the leveling works but playing pre-tbc to tbc to wotlk and again and again gets a little boring over time
I mean delves sound cool but goodbye raiding! How many people are going to be raiding when you can get heroic raid gear by yourself?
I think thats a fair concern, and we'll find out, but I know a lot of people who love to raid. Especially since they need to raid to unlock vault rewards for that track, and any other cosmetics or mounts tucked into that content. But if happens that more people are having more fun delving, is it bad they aren't forced to raid? I'd have to think about it
I personally raid for the fun of raiding and in general I do content because it's fun, gear is a bonus, or sometimes a hindrance.
Is the action combat mode in the settings only for the newest expansion? I'm currently playing in the dragon flight, I don't recall seeing that setting anywhere.
I think I just don't have enough time to bother with it anymore and have fallen into just playing single player games.
But imagine being a mage and farming old raids on a weekly lock out and a demon hunter set drops and you don't even have a demon hunter. Appart from that i love your content man keep it up 😊😊
You can get the appereance regardless of the class it drops on now
I've been playing WoW since 2005, and it's better than ever. I'm not stuck on nostalgia, I like my life and moving forward. New content is always fun and exciting, raiding is always good with friends and open world and solo content is better now than in the early expansions and it's not debatable, it's not even close.
I totally agree ! Been playing off & on since 2007 myself
Been playing since classic and… nope. Before I get called out saying get gud. I’ve ran all 20+ keys (or 10 in S4) and what are my thoughts?
Nope. I slowly have been finding myself not enjoying priority rotations for combat. The 15 priority queue order is just not fun.
I don’t want 3 buttons, but also pressing 15 is starting to just not be enjoyable. Them adding in hero talents adds more complexity towards an already overly complex system.
Also story sucks since legion and I haven’t cared about it since DEI activists have thrown their garbage here.
Honestly if older expansions had mythic plus I would play them too. Played cata for a month but having to raid for better gear just sucks
@@Mduffy-yo6rb ah there it is, his real reason for ranting, "DEI", hes one of those people. lol
does GW2 still require you pay premium currency to access the previous patched story content? i stopped logging in because of that.
recently started playing Guild Wars 2, and I have to say, it seems like GW2 is much better with the expansions compared to WoW. I'm definitely in the mood to play through all the expansions in a row because it's so much fun, and the world never feels empty. There's always something happening somewhere, and I find it really good and relaxing. When I tried WoW, I only got to almost level 20, but I felt so alone. The world was really nice, but I felt isolated. Not the experience I was hoping for an online rpg. What do you think?
I agree. I really enjoy ArenaNet's take on old content always being viable.
GW2 is a different beast. WoW focuses on high end group content and your goal is to earn gear to clear content, to have better gear to clear more content, the questlines and world can be very secondary depending on the extension. GW2 focuses on the main quest and large explorable areas, the goal is to earn all the smaller goals the world has to offer, the high end content is often an after thought.
Benefits of WoW : Every players focus on one expac so new players and vets experience the same fresh things.
Downsides of WoW : The rest of the 20 years worth of content is close to dead. Once you burn through the content, you will restart everything next year.
Benefits of GW2 : The population is easy to encounter on every maps, new players have 12 years worth of alive content. Lots of long term goals.
Downsides of GW2 : Content can get stale pretty quicly for vets. Interactions between players is limited.
I havnt played wow in years and have the urge to play again. Can i still level via the older content, or will i be forced to go to the new areas ? Thanks
Wow video sponsored by Guild wars 2 is hilarious!😂
Well timed video! I haven't played since Shadowlands and was interested in getting back into it! Thanks for the info. :)
Do you have a guide to replicate your UI and things like nametags? Overall your visual experience? It is perfect to my eyes!
At this point there should be no leveling but just gearing.
kinda like they do in destiny? I think that would be an excellent solution which wow kind of does with gear score but would be cool to see zones/dungeons solely bound to the gearscore levels like this zone is gearscore 0-1100 and the next is 1100-2500. this turned into a ramble srry.
That's an awful idea, leveling is a core aspect of an RPG.
@@DabDat91 i levelled 7 alts to 70 in 4 days in the pre patch... im brand new to the game.. like brand new.. is there relly any point in levelling? i got to 77 just completing the first section of the new xpac.. what is the point
@@JohnSmith-h8u Nolifer detected.
Skipping those old content without paying to skip all of them is really really good decision..unlike in ffxiv that this is not an option..i need to play 400+ hrs first before i can go to the new expansion..or have an option to skip them by paying all of the story skips!!!
Story skips are for alts which you don't need in FF14 unless you are a hardcore raider that needs to gear multiple roles simultaneously and even then you don't have to.
@@Koranthus i want to play in the current expansion..and i cant..i need to play all those expansion..so i decided to quit the other day..
u trying Janthir Wilds? Seen a few wow creators turnup in it all of a sudden. Im bias, 20ish hours into it, its miles beta than SoTo, more back to their routes, but doesnt beat the pre-EoD expansions. Sad War within is same week, I play both and this is gonna be knackering!
Great video. Totally agree on your viewpoints.
I like GW2 better, no subscription fee and everything old (gear etc) has just as high value now as it had from the beginning.
What's the community and pvp like? I haven't played WoW in forever, but never played GW2, just GW1. Recently stopped playing XIV and that was my goto for the past 14 years, now looking for something different.
Thoughts on gw2 new expansion?
I wanna like gw2 but there’s just something about wow that pulls me in ever so slowly after years of not being there.
The only thing that irks me about wow is the pricing. At least 50 dollars for an expansion AND a subscription?!
I already have a max lvl character in gw2 but idk why but something feels like it’s not letting me actually enjoy it and I always have wow in the back of my mind…
Any gw2 advice is welcome
@@AnriDarkmoor I stopped playing wow after legion and picked up gw2. The community is far better in every way compared to wow. Guilds are actually helpful and very active daily. You can join 6 guilds at once. I have a guild for pvp and wow, one for raiding, one for open world and friends and one I made. You won't regret it trust me.
@@AnriDarkmoor GW2 is great for casual player. You can get on and off without losing anything. The only thing you have to understand is that there is no carrot to chase, 98% of the endgame gear for 1 character 1 spec you can get in under a week, hell in one day you can get 80% there. So most of the stuff is for doing em casually, setting challenges and goals for youself, the game won't do it for you. Personally I got bored after couple months because I finished all endgame content and there was no incentive for me to replay it, I don't care about cosmetics, nor replaying the same content on different class.
The game has the best community out of all MMOs I've played, I didn't encounter a single toxic player that wouldn't help me getting better or more out of the game.
some played it for two decades and hate everything it has become
they changed the transmog not unlocking for classes, coming 11.0.5
Huge if true!
Only because of giant backlash.
@@LuckyGhostMorgan Day confirmed it's true in an interview. Was not an inteded decision, it just required more work due to the backend code?tech? Somethin like that
I think I’ll give it a try again. It’s been so long since I last played Oo
i just started wow, and its def worth playing in 2024!
Amen to a 'dye system'!!! Your vid almost... has me tempted to try the new expansion as your gripes were my gripes and the true end game is the 'drip' as the kids say.