I don't get it. The stadium is in the heart of little Havana, it's not like the area is dead or anything. There's plenty of parking in the garages that are next to the ballpark, the freeway is relatively close, the tickets are dirt cheap... like wtf
You can have the nicest , newest stadium (with or without translucent roof lol) , in downtown location .....but if ownership shows no desire to field a contending team on a consistent basis , the fans will stay away. Every time. The above describes the Marlins history.
@@bryangonzalez4604Welcome to the dark side. Lately, our brand of baseball has been of the blowout fun, anxiety-enducing fun or "I'm going to jump off the Walt Whitman". Needless to say, we're obnoxiously passionate.
Yep. Exactly this. I'm a Phillies fan, and it's just sad that the Marlins are just consistently at the bottom of the division. I wish they were more competitive. It's just sad.
The problem with the Marlins is that for as long as they've existed, they've never had an owner the fans felt they could trust. After winning the WS in 97, there was a fire sale....After winning in 2003, another fire sale....New stadium..owner was a cheap prick....Things started to turn around when Jeter came in and they got Kim Ng as a GM, but after two playoff appearances in 4 years, she leaves and Jeter resigns......Its a never ending saga. If they got an owner who spent some money, fans would come back for sure.
Part of me wonders how many of those there are. I'm not even talking about going back to Bill Veeck, in the 80s when teams were affordable for at least the average millionaire you had a lot more people who could be trusted to not line heir own pockets. As the teams get much more expensive, the number of available owners shrinks and the number of potential good owners who care about the fans goes down.
The reality is that the team doesn’t have enough revenue to pay players. After a World Series, everyone wants to get paid, and the Marlins are already running in the red every year. To the front office, it makes sense to capitalize on the players’ success and trade them for young prospects that aren’t going to cost tens of millions. It’s just like any other low revenue team - you need to rely on the farm system to bring up cost-controlled talent. The Yankees, the Dodgers, Phillies, etc. can afford to have big free agents. Not many other teams can afford to build a good team with free agents…
The White Sox and Marlins should trade owners. That way Reinsdorf gets his new stadium and the White Sox keep playing in The Cell until a new stadium can be built back across the street or Arlington Heights.
I’ve been to this stadium for a college football bowl game. The roof was open. It’s a great venue. Just a shame the Marlins can’t field a compelling team. As for the stadium’s future - their lease is up in 2047. The Marlins will play there until then, good or bad. And a lot can happen with a team between now and then.
The Miami taxpayers have funded essentially the ENTIRE stadium with the promise that the Marlins would spend more money to attract/keep stars on the franchise. Since the opening of LoanDepot Park, South Florida and the disgruntled Miami Marlins fandom has seen THREE FIRE SALES, and the stadium isnt even 20 years old. So the residents are pissed that they're paying for the stadium, the traffic situation in Miami-Dade continues being a massive issue, they don't trust the Marlins owners at all, and of course the death of Jose Fernandez also was a very difficult moment to process. I will never ever ever blame the residents for not going, but at the same time I'm also never going to accept the notion that Miami isn't a "baseball city," with the attendance figures of the World Baseball Classic and Caribbean Series proving otherwise.
Loandepot park is seriously an amazing park, it sucks that the marlins stink because if they filled that park it would be electric! The WBC is a great example!
Florida and sports just do not work, people just have other things they want to do. Even if they were good they still would not draw well. Rays are in the same boat, even they are good they don’t draw part of that is location but other part is being in Florida..
Marlins are always ready to dump payroll. I have always called them a 4A minor league team. Think about the players that they could have kept over the years if they weren't on a perennial payroll dump. You don't build dynasties that way....
I went to a game there in 2018 against the Red Sox, great stadium, beautiful night with the roof open, then again, it was early April when I went there, just extremely difficult to get there with the traffic in constant gridlock and the attendance was only a little over 11,000 with the upper deck closed.
Why would you assume MLB would step in? They’ve allowed the athletics and the rays to play in subpar facilities for more than a decade! nobody’s stepping in, nobody wants to go to the games and it’s just going to continue like that. The Rays have 3:30 had competitive teams over the last several years and still they have 10,000 people on average per game and that’s honestly being generous!
As a Mets fan i don’t think this stadium is slightly underrated i believe its very underrated. Architectural wise it’s a beautiful ballpark ! I actually wish they never messed with the stronger pitcher friendly dimensions it had originally but at least it still plays some what pitcher friendly. The WBC from 2023 was the best one I’ve ever watched on tv and wished I would have attended to scratch off Loan depot park off my ballpark chasing list but unfortunately didn’t make it. That Puerto Rico VS Dominican Republic game was wild ! It even costed my Mets Edwin Diaz for a whole season. Hopefully they won’t shrink the dimensions again. Love the window they have in LF with the Miami skyline looming in the distance. The park is a gem 💎
How do you have an opinion on a stadium you've never visited? The stadium is overrated trust me. It has no character, nothing going on around the stadium.
@@victormarinjr3230 well I’ve been to Tropicana field and I can assure you this place is most likely 10x better. That was by far the shittiest ballpark I’ve ever been to.
@@BK_718 I've been to Tropicana, and yes it looks nicer but your comparing it to the ugliest stadium in baseball. Its not that great, I'm sure you've been to Citi field, if you compare it to Citi you will be let down. Citi field feels like a baseball stadium there is a culture to the stadium Loan depot is very bland, cookie cutter, and during the game the entertainment is also very bland they don't really do any hype videos or go out of there way to get the crowd pumped, like they did in pro player. Hopefully you get to go one day and experience it for yourself, if you have the opportunity to go during the WBC that's a whole different experience as far as the atmosphere and vibe the place gets crazy.
@@victormarinjr3230 yeah man I feel you. I believe loan depot is still hosting the WBC event for 2026 🤔 they put the list out for the hosting ballparks.
The Miami Heat have no issue filling the arena and traffic is 10x worse. I’ve never had an issue getting to a marlins game as I’m not a dumb tourist or broward/palm beach person that doesn’t know how to get around traffic
@@jayboogie1295 But the Heat had LeBron, Wade, Allen, and others that won titles for the Heat, later they still were competitive. And the Heat like you said had no trouble filling the stands, even after that dream team broke up. But apparently baseball is different in Florida - The Rays went to the World Series twice - and fans still didn't show. Would be curious to see what the home attendance was when the Marlins won their 2 championships.
I go to the stadium when the Giants are in town. which was the last 2 Aprils. Absolutely beautiful weather each time...but they had the roof closed!! It was like a mausoleum. Depressing. I understand a closed roof when it's 100 degrees and 100% humidity but on the rare comfortable Miami days please open the roof!
Miami likes winners or at least attempt to win. Fans are bitter because of what team owners did selling off players and refusing to spend to be competitive. They also scammed taxpayers to fund the stadium that needed the historic orange bowl to be demolished. They need an owner who’s willing to invest in a few stars
At least the Marlins have had more success (2 World Series wins within their first 10 years) than many other teams though. Hell, five other teams wish they had at least one title.
It doesn't help that 'EVERYTIME' the Marlins have been halfway competitive, they've followed it up by trading away everyone, and tanking the following year. They're still doing it. They were a playoff team last year, and their ownership has given up on this year. Can you blame the people of Miami for not caring?
took a trip to Miami few weeks ago and I checked out Loan depot park, it wasn't as bad as its made out to be. Then again I'm mostly going to the coliseum in Oakland so anything is an upgrade
Fellow A’s fan here in SoCal now. I visited Miami earlier this month and the stadium had more Phillies fans than marlins fans. It was a nice stadium but with no ambience due to it not having a competitive team. Boo fisher and kaval
The only highway near this stadium (836 Dolphin Expressway) is constantly gridlocked and perpetually under construction. It's a nightmare stretch every local tries to avoid. It starts getting backed up every day around 2pm until about 8pm.
I live in Fort Lauderdale and I enjoy all the times I've been to the park (I'll go to a series or 3 every year. Also I know one of the announcers on the team). I went to the ASG when it was here also. (Not that hard to get that ticket either lol) The problem as mentioned by some in the comments is parking and yes, the team hasn't been good. As mentioned, there are better options. Put me in the minority here but I didn't like the fact they got rid of the swimming pool. That was an awesome touch and in that area you could see right into the visiting teams bullpen. I'll agree with getting rid of that monstrosity during HRs was a good move.
If they could put on a consistent playoff team and have ownership that was willing to spend money i think miami would support them better. I think alot of fans stoped caring during their two firesales after they won the world series
My family went to two games a number of years ago when Fernandez, Stanton, Yelich, Ozuna and Realmuto were on the team (hard to believe they had all those guys) ... and we had the whole section on the middle level to ourselves. The players were traded (of course Fernandez died) and then Jeter took all the Miami flavor out of the interior of the stadium. I don't know how they will succeed.
MLB people have this weird sense of entitlement, like if they just do "something" then they'll sell out every game in Miami, and the only question is trying to figure out what that "something" is.
Consider bringing back the Memphis Maniax as the "Miami Maniax" at Hard Rock Stadium or using LoanDepot Park for football events for both the Maniax and the Dolphins.
Miami is an event city, the people, the fans, wont attend if they dont feel like its an event. If Miami fans think they have a winning team, theyll flock in droves to the games. Miami fans want to feel the games mean something for something more, but if you just have a sad loser which the Marlins have been for a loonnngg time no one will go because the random lucky win here and there mean nothing. Miami is not some blue collar diehard fan type of city, it is 'Can it be a party there?' type of city, and to make it a party, you win meaningful games. If Marlins made a deep playoff run theyd sell out no doubt. Otherwise its just too hot to leave the house.
I’ve been there a couple times since I’m from Florida but the location and bad traffic make it hard and plus since they have Ben bad for so many years and multiple fire sales and rebuild and losing fans it’s been bottom 5 offense and attendance since 2013.
The problem with many of the large venues in places like Florida where one can catch a sporting event either free or much lower than one would spent in a professional stadium or arena. Florida is a football state like many in the south. Professional Baseball games in most stadiums are just too expensive and even more for Floridians. With tickets and all, a group of 2, 3, or 4 could easily spent between $500 to $1,500 with regular seats tickets included per game.
On the surface, it seems like a decent idea, but in Atlanta, they turned the old Braves stadium into a college football stadium, and it's just about the weirdest, most awkward football stadium you can imagine.
Everyone have to remember about Marlins Park, this park was build after the demise of the legendary Orange Bowl and every Miami fan hated that idea. I agree, the Marlins needed a new ballpark but to replace the Orange Bowl for Marlins Park was a huge slap in the face. Also throw in the amount of stabbing in the back from the Marlins ownership/president (whoever’s in charge of trading players) to the fans. The Marlins franchise as a whole, take away the World Series, the franchise never had consistency of winning, and it’s sad and frustrating for the fans which led to low attendance. The World Baseball Classic drew lots of fans at Marlins Park, remember lots of fans in Miami are Dominican, Puerto Ricans, Cubans and baseball is popular in those areas. It’s sad to see where the Marlins is at right now after the successful season last year, the owner just wants to reset once again, it’s basically rinse and repeat and a continue cycle throughout the Marlins franchise.
I live in so cal and I'm still a San Diego chargers fan. Not even a thing. But it just felt like players are too comfy living in such nice areas esp when their house over looks the ocean seeing everyone party. Comparison to mid west they see the grind of everyday workers and it snowing lol.
My mother and I were watching a Phillies game hear and she thought this was a nice ballpark, my suggestion get rid of the retractable roof and replace it with an arched or dome tinted sunroof that lets in enough light to grow natural grass and provides enough clearance for hard it balls. The other thing would improve the farm system and spend money on good players. Baseball cant keep playing this game of musical cities.
Why don't the Rays build a stadium in the big grass area right next to Raymond James Stadium? That was the former site of the Big Sombrero and it's actually in Tampa.
They should’ve never gotten rid of the outfield statue or the green walls. They took all the life out of that place. I actually think their original rebrand with the orange uniforms was way better than anything they’ve had since. Should’ve just moved to Charlotte anyways
The ownership group doesn't even pretend to try to win. It's sad. Even when they won their 2 WS, they broke down the team the following year. Not a recipe for building a fan base.
At least they have those two World Series wins, five other franchises have never had that kind of success. Hell, the Expos were a prime example of a team that never cared about winning. Only had one playoff season in their 35 years and I always heard they never had strong fan support in Montreal in part because it’s more French.
@@RB01.10 Funny you use the Expos as an example. I grew up in West Palm Beach and used to go to the stadium as a kid to watch them during Spring Training.
@@alexisr.diazmartinez5900 Fort Lauderdale is closer to the center of the Miami-Fort Lauderdale-Palm Beach metro population. But I doubt a ballpark there would do much better.
First, hire some baseball people who know what the hell they’re doing. Second, rename the stadium to Marlins Park @ the Orange Bowl. (That’s the location of the old Orange Bowl stadium before someone decided to tear it down for THIS.)
I live in west Palm with is about an hour or so away, I just got into baseball but the marlins put me to sleep. I’d really love to go but the team needs to improve.
This was a beautifully designed ballopark, in a good location, and is fantastic for fans and players. The issues with the Marlins have nothing to do with the stadium, unlike Oakland and Tampa Bay. Recommend looking up David Sampson talking about the issues. They are unique to Miami.
Went to a game there a couple weeks ago: 2 tickets including fees were $18, parking was $20. I even searched for $10 parking out of principle and couldn’t find any.
It’s only a “crazy lease” because the franchise is a tire fire and no one wants to go to the games. It’s a perfectly appropriate lease length in exchange for the obscene taxpayer ripoff that Loria and Samson perpetrated.
After several bad years of play, the Marlins would get #1 and other high draft picks. Then in a few years, start winning again. This happened with the Astros. But there's another team that used to stink, mainly because they were an expansion team. And they also got better, good enough to contend, even make the World Series twice. They're in the same state as the Marlins, of course I'm talking about the Tampa Bay Rays. Despite being a World Series contender, the fans still don't show up. Even if the Marlins got better (and they themselves have _won_ two World Series), the fans _still_ wouldn't show up. Too much else to do in the Sunshine State, and it's @#$% Hot in the Summertime.
Unless it can be converted to a football stadium for UM I don't see Miami letting the team out of the lease since the bonds are back loaded so they will be paying hundreds of millions in the last 5 years of the lease.
I know the WBC exists but that may be because Miami is a town that will either come as tourists to view the spectacle or support the Cuban National Team. It’s not a town for a MLB franchise, even if the Marlins were winning, they’d still have an attendance of around 20K. Many people in Miami are fans of the big market clubs like the Yankees, Dodgers, and Cubs. Fielding a competitive team may not help unless they make the playoffs 6-8 years in a row.
As a lifelong marlins fan here's a few things that other people would never understand. The location is horrible south Florida is ridiculously huge and getting to a game is a traffic nightmare but most importantly the biggest problem that nobody understands is that people in Miami hate the marlins with a passion since 1998 and still haven't forgave them.
@@edwardeduardo8561 because in 1997 they won the World Series and 10 minutes later ownership dismantled the whole team. A huge chunk of the fanbase never forgave them and because of it attendance went from constantly being top 15 to being in the bottom
The problem is the ownership not putting a consistent and fun product. In Miami is all about stars and a fun product. Look at the Heat, they built on the first championship and the franchise changed the attendance problem forever! They used to tarp off sections in the upper deck at the AAA. Look at what the Panthers have done! The Dolphins have sold out every game the last couple of years and look at Inter Miami. The Marlins need to have stars and a fun product and attendance will be up! No doubt about it! Go Fish!
Florida was ideal as a Grapefruit spring training state for a number of MLB teams before the bad weather arrived. People from other cities living in Florida full-time would go to the games along with baseball-rabid tourists from out of state to cheer on their home teams. Then, in early April, the teams would head north and leave the bad weather behind them. Absolutely foolish to put full-time MLB teams there, and it's not going to change in either Miami or Tampa.
Winning team = high attendance Loosing team = low attendance 4 playoff attendances in the last 27 years. Why would you spend money on attending a game for a team that is popularly known from Palm Beach down to Key West as a loosing team, when you could spend it on: Florida Panthers - 4 consecutive playoffs appearances including a Stanley cup final. Miami Heat 25 playoff attendances in 36 years of franchise. 3 championships in the bag. Dolphins - Tua and McDaniel pumping up the franchise with 2 consecutive playoffs appearances. Inter Miami - Besides having the soccer GOAT in the team alongside other world champions, they already won Leagues Cup, and are currently leaders in their league’s division. For those claiming the traffic and the stadium location, just look at the attendance numbers for the 2023 WBC and 2024 Caribbean Series. People will do whatever to see their team play. But it is almost impossible to build a fanbase when you don’t give anything to feel proud of.
They just think moving to a new area will get tickets sold? I mean yeah for a little because of the trend but not the numbers they want. Again they just want to profit, not invest.
FYI - LoanDepot, LLC is non-banking, mortgage financing company, headquartered in the Los Angeles suburb of Irvine, California. What could possibly go wrong with LoanDepot, LLC Park? - Marlins ownership sucks - Team sucks - Empty stadium - Cost $634 million dollars to build - Mortgage interest rates are up the wazoo - LoanDepot, LLC is losing their shirts spending a fortune for naming rights ($10 million dollars a year) to put their name outside the wall of the stadium 🤦♂️
The problem with Florida baseball in general is that the majority of the population are not native to the area. Most people that go to these games are from somewhere else and they are there to see their teams - including the Non MLB games. OK - so there are a lot of people at the Caribbean games or world games. Those people are there to see their home country - not Miami. MLB games (and NFL) - most people are there to see the Yankees. The Mets. The White Sox. The Cubs. The Phillies. The Red Sox. Etc etc. Go to ANY game and ask ANYONE "Who is Skipper Chuck" and I guarantee that almost no one will know the answer. Give it 100 years when people really say they are from Miami - then maybe you might get a crowd.
People complaining about Marlins performance on the field miss the point. The whole point of a new ballpark is to carry you when the team is not that good. The ballpark becomes an attraction in and of itself. If you have a beautiful new facility, your attendance shouldn’t tank during the years you’re trying to rebuild your team. It’s supposed to stay respectable until the team gets good again. You shouldn’t be tarping off seats a few years into the life of a new ballpark no matter how bad the team is . There just isn’t enough interest in Miami. It’s a simple as that.
The Florida Marlins signed their own death certificate moving to MIA. They had the opportunity to keep their fan base moving 2 broward where the working ppl of SFLA live. They took the bait of the glamour/lights of MIA. #UMakeUrBedUSleepInIt
IN MIAMK WE ARE NOT GOING TO A GAME TO WATCH THEM LOSE. IF THEY WIN AND SHOW THAT THEY ARE TRYING TO WIN WE WILL COME BUT IF THE OWNERSHIP DONT CARE AND DONT WANT TO SPEND WHY SHOULD WE....
The Heat , Dolphins have great ownership.. the marlins have had poor owners.. Jeffery Loria and his former step son were carpet baggers , cash strapped , who sold as soon as they could after fleecing the city for the stadium
It’s Miami there is just way to many other things to do then to go watch a team with a 10-40 record. Take a look at the WBC attendance and the Caribbean Series Attendance that’s what Miami will bring if the owners have a damn
Spring training is the only thing that really works in FL it is that simple. Heat even when they were good didn’t draw well, FL is a vacation spot and people have more things they want to do then sit inside. Why NHL never worked in FL either.
I dont want to hear Marlin fans blame ownership not fielding a competitive team as the reason why fans don't show up. Stop it. There are teams that never field a competitive team like the Pirates, Rockies, and Reds. Guess what. Their fans show up to their games no excuses. Move the team I'm sure there is a baseball starving city that will care more about america's greatest pastime
The marlins attendance will NOT get better until the owners come out in public and APPOLOGIZE to the cuban community for the incident outside and inside , before and during the WBC match USA 🇺🇸 vs cuba 🇨🇺.
Didn't know so many stadiums were such low capacity, 30k. Dodgers stadium is 56k. Marlins need to build a winning culture. Fire sale for some young talent. Build a good farm system. Or spend money and get some talent.
Winn-Dixie should buy the naming rites. Thats a south Florida institution. Make every day BAT DAY and hand them out BEFORE THE GAME plus make all alcoholic beverages BOGO and served at the same time. Upper Deck Seats should ALWAYS be five dollar with ten-cent beer, and dollar MEDIA NOCHES.
Its sucks.... every time a Marlins player becomes a good elite player they just trade them away because they cant afford to sign them... they need better ownership...
Orange Bowl should be rebuilt there and the Marlins can go fishing in another state they should never have a MLB team in Florida it’s only good for spring baseball.
It's not because it's a boring brand of baseball. It's because Florida in general is a state full of transplants that have allegiances to other teams. Furthermore, it's summer in Miami.... All the people that winter in Florida are gone at that point with the brutal summers. Miami has a lot of other things to do as well. It was also built in a terrible location which Dave Samson admitted was a mistake. The Rays are going to have many of the same problems even with a new stadium. Nobody wants to go from Tampa to St Pete and back on GameDay. That bridge is a traffic nightmare. So they're banking on St Pete stepping up, growing, and supporting that team. Good luck with that.
People said the same thing about California in the 1950s. Now look at it. Transplants offspring and their offspring will have less and less connection with the teams located where their grandparents once lived. Florida is booming in population and is becoming the California of this century.
I think the only focus right now in miami sports is Messi because the heat aren’t great and the marlins aren’t in a good situation the dolphins are ok but miami feels like it’s just Messi
Which is hilarious because MLS is viewed globally as a developmental league for the more elite Europe leagues and for old athletically declining star players who are at the twilight of their careers
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I don't get it. The stadium is in the heart of little Havana, it's not like the area is dead or anything. There's plenty of parking in the garages that are next to the ballpark, the freeway is relatively close, the tickets are dirt cheap... like wtf
It's just not a baseball town. Or if it is, people would rather watch at home. It's a shame really because the stadium is very nice.
They’re all at the beach and downtown Miami…
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Yes it’s that problem is that the owners has lie to people multiple times
There plenty of parking but just like the ticket are cheap so is the owner
When the team is 11-32, it tends to make attendance figures lower.
You can have the nicest , newest stadium (with or without translucent roof lol) , in downtown location .....but if ownership shows no desire to field a contending team on a consistent basis , the fans will stay away. Every time.
The above describes the Marlins history.
That’s why I’m a Phillies fan now
You are absolutely right
@@bryangonzalez4604Welcome to the dark side. Lately, our brand of baseball has been of the blowout fun, anxiety-enducing fun or "I'm going to jump off the Walt Whitman".
Needless to say, we're obnoxiously passionate.
Yep. Exactly this. I'm a Phillies fan, and it's just sad that the Marlins are just consistently at the bottom of the division. I wish they were more competitive. It's just sad.
@@TheBronxBunnyMan word.
The Orange Bowl did not die for this
The orange bowl sucked
The problem with the Marlins is that for as long as they've existed, they've never had an owner the fans felt they could trust. After winning the WS in 97, there was a fire sale....After winning in 2003, another fire sale....New stadium..owner was a cheap prick....Things started to turn around when Jeter came in and they got Kim Ng as a GM, but after two playoff appearances in 4 years, she leaves and Jeter resigns......Its a never ending saga. If they got an owner who spent some money, fans would come back for sure.
Part of me wonders how many of those there are. I'm not even talking about going back to Bill Veeck, in the 80s when teams were affordable for at least the average millionaire you had a lot more people who could be trusted to not line heir own pockets. As the teams get much more expensive, the number of available owners shrinks and the number of potential good owners who care about the fans goes down.
Yeah and why I’m a Phillies fan now and not a Marlins fan that I used to be.
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You are absolutely right
The reality is that the team doesn’t have enough revenue to pay players. After a World Series, everyone wants to get paid, and the Marlins are already running in the red every year. To the front office, it makes sense to capitalize on the players’ success and trade them for young prospects that aren’t going to cost tens of millions. It’s just like any other low revenue team - you need to rely on the farm system to bring up cost-controlled talent. The Yankees, the Dodgers, Phillies, etc. can afford to have big free agents. Not many other teams can afford to build a good team with free agents…
If the Heat and Dolphins were run like the Marlins, no one would go to their games either
The White Sox and Marlins should trade owners. That way Reinsdorf gets his new stadium and the White Sox keep playing in The Cell until a new stadium can be built back across the street or Arlington Heights.
I’ve been to this stadium for a college football bowl game. The roof was open. It’s a great venue. Just a shame the Marlins can’t field a compelling team.
As for the stadium’s future - their lease is up in 2047. The Marlins will play there until then, good or bad. And a lot can happen with a team between now and then.
Fiu should just play there all the time
@@SunnyCue-ew5ow And UM!
The Marlins easily have a top 5 park. It just has a lot of odds working against it. Mainly owenership and a supporting fan base
The Miami taxpayers have funded essentially the ENTIRE stadium with the promise that the Marlins would spend more money to attract/keep stars on the franchise. Since the opening of LoanDepot Park, South Florida and the disgruntled Miami Marlins fandom has seen THREE FIRE SALES, and the stadium isnt even 20 years old. So the residents are pissed that they're paying for the stadium, the traffic situation in Miami-Dade continues being a massive issue, they don't trust the Marlins owners at all, and of course the death of Jose Fernandez also was a very difficult moment to process.
I will never ever ever blame the residents for not going, but at the same time I'm also never going to accept the notion that Miami isn't a "baseball city," with the attendance figures of the World Baseball Classic and Caribbean Series proving otherwise.
Loandepot park is seriously an amazing park, it sucks that the marlins stink because if they filled that park it would be electric! The WBC is a great example!
Yes it would be if the Marlins were good and location of the stadium is bad but they were my old team and based on my PFP that’s my team now.
Don't forget the recently completed Series de Caribe, it was successful
Florida and sports just do not work, people just have other things they want to do. Even if they were good they still would not draw well. Rays are in the same boat, even they are good they don’t draw part of that is location but other part is being in Florida..
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That’s Rays not the marlins
Marlins are always ready to dump payroll. I have always called them a 4A minor league team. Think about the players that they could have kept over the years if they weren't on a perennial payroll dump. You don't build dynasties that way....
I went to a game there in 2018 against the Red Sox, great stadium, beautiful night with the roof open, then again, it was early April when I went there, just extremely difficult to get there with the traffic in constant gridlock and the attendance was only a little over 11,000 with the upper deck closed.
Why would you assume MLB would step in? They’ve allowed the athletics and the rays to play in subpar facilities for more than a decade! nobody’s stepping in, nobody wants to go to the games and it’s just going to continue like that. The Rays have 3:30 had competitive teams over the last several years and still they have 10,000 people on average per game and that’s honestly being generous!
As a Mets fan i don’t think this stadium is slightly underrated i believe its very underrated. Architectural wise it’s a beautiful ballpark ! I actually wish they never messed with the stronger pitcher friendly dimensions it had originally but at least it still plays some what pitcher friendly. The WBC from 2023 was the best one I’ve ever watched on tv and wished I would have attended to scratch off Loan depot park off my ballpark chasing list but unfortunately didn’t make it. That Puerto Rico VS Dominican Republic game was wild ! It even costed my Mets Edwin Diaz for a whole season. Hopefully they won’t shrink the dimensions again. Love the window they have in LF with the Miami skyline looming in the distance. The park is a gem 💎
US vs DR in 2017 was even better. Still a record crowd for the venue.
How do you have an opinion on a stadium you've never visited? The stadium is overrated trust me. It has no character, nothing going on around the stadium.
@@victormarinjr3230 well I’ve been to Tropicana field and I can assure you this place is most likely 10x better. That was by far the shittiest ballpark I’ve ever been to.
@@BK_718 I've been to Tropicana, and yes it looks nicer but your comparing it to the ugliest stadium in baseball. Its not that great, I'm sure you've been to Citi field, if you compare it to Citi you will be let down. Citi field feels like a baseball stadium there is a culture to the stadium Loan depot is very bland, cookie cutter, and during the game the entertainment is also very bland they don't really do any hype videos or go out of there way to get the crowd pumped, like they did in pro player. Hopefully you get to go one day and experience it for yourself, if you have the opportunity to go during the WBC that's a whole different experience as far as the atmosphere and vibe the place gets crazy.
@@victormarinjr3230 yeah man I feel you. I believe loan depot is still hosting the WBC event for 2026 🤔 they put the list out for the hosting ballparks.
2 big reasons.
1. The Marlins and ownership sucks
2. Getting to the park during the week and sometimes the weekends is a traffic nightmare.
3. Related to #1 - They're playing at a .256 level - when your W/L record is in the typical batting average range - that's not good....
The Miami Heat have no issue filling the arena and traffic is 10x worse. I’ve never had an issue getting to a marlins game as I’m not a dumb tourist or broward/palm beach person that doesn’t know how to get around traffic
@@jayboogie1295 But the Heat had LeBron, Wade, Allen, and others that won titles for the Heat, later they still were competitive. And the Heat like you said had no trouble filling the stands, even after that dream team broke up. But apparently baseball is different in Florida - The Rays went to the World Series twice - and fans still didn't show. Would be curious to see what the home attendance was when the Marlins won their 2 championships.
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Good the attendance were good. Around 25k per game
@@mayquelmiranda6282 thanks for the info
As a south Floridian, we need real owners for once, won’t sell out consistently if they become winners but can average 20 thousand plus I think
lol wasn’t jeter a real owner?
Agree!!!
I go to the stadium when the Giants are in town. which was the last 2 Aprils. Absolutely beautiful weather each time...but they had the roof closed!! It was like a mausoleum. Depressing. I understand a closed roof when it's 100 degrees and 100% humidity but on the rare comfortable Miami days please open the roof!
Miami likes winners or at least attempt to win. Fans are bitter because of what team owners did selling off players and refusing to spend to be competitive. They also scammed taxpayers to fund the stadium that needed the historic orange bowl to be demolished. They need an owner who’s willing to invest in a few stars
At least the Marlins have had more success (2 World Series wins within their first 10 years) than many other teams though.
Hell, five other teams wish they had at least one title.
It doesn't help that 'EVERYTIME' the Marlins have been halfway competitive, they've followed it up by trading away everyone, and tanking the following year. They're still doing it. They were a playoff team last year, and their ownership has given up on this year. Can you blame the people of Miami for not caring?
Loria did make a mess in two cities
That stadium deserve better tenants.
I went to DR vs. USA, and it was the best sporting event I have ever attended. That atmosphere is hard to replicate with a Marlins game.
took a trip to Miami few weeks ago and I checked out Loan depot park, it wasn't as bad as its made out to be. Then again I'm mostly going to the coliseum in Oakland so anything is an upgrade
Fellow A’s fan here in SoCal now. I visited Miami earlier this month and the stadium had more Phillies fans than marlins fans. It was a nice stadium but with no ambience due to it not having a competitive team. Boo fisher and kaval
They changed their name is the reason. They are The Florida Marlins, not the Miami Marlins.
The only highway near this stadium (836 Dolphin Expressway) is constantly gridlocked and perpetually under construction. It's a nightmare stretch every local tries to avoid. It starts getting backed up every day around 2pm until about 8pm.
That’s why you don’t take the 836 and get off 95 an exit earlier
I went there to see a couple of WBC games. Definitely one of the best stadiums I ever been too. Definitely underrated in my opinion.
I live in Fort Lauderdale and I enjoy all the times I've been to the park (I'll go to a series or 3 every year. Also I know one of the announcers on the team). I went to the ASG when it was here also. (Not that hard to get that ticket either lol)
The problem as mentioned by some in the comments is parking and yes, the team hasn't been good. As mentioned, there are better options.
Put me in the minority here but I didn't like the fact they got rid of the swimming pool. That was an awesome touch and in that area you could see right into the visiting teams bullpen.
I'll agree with getting rid of that monstrosity during HRs was a good move.
None of the changes that Jeter made to the park were positive
If they could put on a consistent playoff team and have ownership that was willing to spend money i think miami would support them better. I think alot of fans stoped caring during their two firesales after they won the world series
What they shoul do is rename it "The Orange Bowl". That'll bring the fams back.
My family went to two games a number of years ago when Fernandez, Stanton, Yelich, Ozuna and Realmuto were on the team (hard to believe they had all those guys) ... and we had the whole section on the middle level to ourselves. The players were traded (of course Fernandez died) and then Jeter took all the Miami flavor out of the interior of the stadium. I don't know how they will succeed.
MLB people have this weird sense of entitlement, like if they just do "something" then they'll sell out every game in Miami, and the only question is trying to figure out what that "something" is.
This seems to add fuel to the "Miami is not a real sports town" argument I hear quite often.
It is barely a real city. It is a winter retreat for many.
Nice weather years round despite the occasional hurricane. So lots of things to do besides watch pro sports
@@HoshizakiYoshimasayou can make the same argument for LA yet the dodgers lead the league in attendance every year. That’s not an excuse
Consider bringing back the Memphis Maniax as the "Miami Maniax" at Hard Rock Stadium or using LoanDepot Park for football events for both the Maniax and the Dolphins.
Miami is an event city, the people, the fans, wont attend if they dont feel like its an event. If Miami fans think they have a winning team, theyll flock in droves to the games. Miami fans want to feel the games mean something for something more, but if you just have a sad loser which the Marlins have been for a loonnngg time no one will go because the random lucky win here and there mean nothing. Miami is not some blue collar diehard fan type of city, it is 'Can it be a party there?' type of city, and to make it a party, you win meaningful games. If Marlins made a deep playoff run theyd sell out no doubt. Otherwise its just too hot to leave the house.
I’ve been there a couple times since I’m from Florida but the location and bad traffic make it hard and plus since they have Ben bad for so many years and multiple fire sales and rebuild and losing fans it’s been bottom 5 offense and attendance since 2013.
Such an original name --- LoanDepot, LLC Park
Not to be confused with The Home Depot, Inc.
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The Miami hurricanes need to play at loam depot. Makes better sense
Honestly if that could work it makes sense
The problem with many of the large venues in places like Florida where one can catch a sporting event either free or much lower than one would spent in a professional stadium or arena. Florida is a football state like many in the south. Professional Baseball games in most stadiums are just too expensive and even more for Floridians. With tickets and all, a group of 2, 3, or 4 could easily spent between $500 to $1,500 with regular seats tickets included per game.
Miami Hurricanes could play their home games there.
Facts
They should buy the stadium from the Marlins and the city for $750 million and renovate it to make it possible
Exactly solves their stadium issue
On the surface, it seems like a decent idea, but in Atlanta, they turned the old Braves stadium into a college football stadium, and it's just about the weirdest, most awkward football stadium you can imagine.
Can you do a video listing teams that own their own park vs those who lease from the city?
Everyone have to remember about Marlins Park, this park was build after the demise of the legendary Orange Bowl and every Miami fan hated that idea. I agree, the Marlins needed a new ballpark but to replace the Orange Bowl for Marlins Park was a huge slap in the face. Also throw in the amount of stabbing in the back from the Marlins ownership/president (whoever’s in charge of trading players) to the fans. The Marlins franchise as a whole, take away the World Series, the franchise never had consistency of winning, and it’s sad and frustrating for the fans which led to low attendance. The World Baseball Classic drew lots of fans at Marlins Park, remember lots of fans in Miami are Dominican, Puerto Ricans, Cubans and baseball is popular in those areas. It’s sad to see where the Marlins is at right now after the successful season last year, the owner just wants to reset once again, it’s basically rinse and repeat and a continue cycle throughout the Marlins franchise.
I live in so cal and I'm still a San Diego chargers fan. Not even a thing. But it just felt like players are too comfy living in such nice areas esp when their house over looks the ocean seeing everyone party. Comparison to mid west they see the grind of everyday workers and it snowing lol.
What I don’t like about this guys he blames the fans instead blaming the organization
It's the lazy argument of those who don't want to do the work to understand. You could make a MLB team flourish in lesser cities if done right.
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Agree
The A's are moving to a Minor League park that holds only 14,000 people.
I thought a foul ball cracked the fish tank and they figured it wouldn't work long term?
My mother and I were watching a Phillies game hear and she thought this was a nice ballpark, my suggestion get rid of the retractable roof and replace it with an arched or dome tinted sunroof that lets in enough light to grow natural grass and provides enough clearance for hard it balls. The other thing would improve the farm system and spend money on good players. Baseball cant keep playing this game of musical cities.
Why don't the Rays build a stadium in the big grass area right next to Raymond James Stadium? That was the former site of the Big Sombrero and it's actually in Tampa.
I liked the Sombrero on TV watching the Bears. It was Tampa - the RJS just isn't Tampa.
NY Yankees will not allow it. NY Yankees owns the land and the facilities directly south of RayJay and the West of RayJay.
Stadium is beautiful. Traffic is trash. It would be a faster drive to Orlando from west palm for a baseball game
They should’ve never gotten rid of the outfield statue or the green walls. They took all the life out of that place. I actually think their original rebrand with the orange uniforms was way better than anything they’ve had since.
Should’ve just moved to Charlotte anyways
What’s wrong with it ? Being a hurricanes fan I wish the orange bowl was still around but that stadium is nice I went to Yankees vs marlins
I'm heading down there next week for the Brewers series against the Marlins. Excited to check it out and am expecting no one else to be there
I made a pilgrimage there for a game as a baseball fanatic - was fun to visit. Enjoy! :)
@@xlortiz thanks! I definitely want to get to all 30 home parks someday. Almost halfway there
It’s a good stadium. Recommend the Cuban sandwich with plantain chips from the vendor behind center field.
Would the University of Miami ever consider buying the stadium from the Marlins and the Miami hurricanes play there ? Just a thought.
The ownership group doesn't even pretend to try to win. It's sad. Even when they won their 2 WS, they broke down the team the following year. Not a recipe for building a fan base.
At least they have those two World Series wins, five other franchises have never had that kind of success.
Hell, the Expos were a prime example of a team that never cared about winning. Only had one playoff season in their 35 years and I always heard they never had strong fan support in Montreal in part because it’s more French.
@@RB01.10 Funny you use the Expos as an example. I grew up in West Palm Beach and used to go to the stadium as a kid to watch them during Spring Training.
Jaguars just announced stadium deal with New (Edited) renderings of the stadium
They should have built it in Fort Lauderdale its too far south. Sunrise would have worked too.
Miami Gardens would’ve worked too.
@@daviejz6698 It all started in Miami Gardens. What makes you think that if they had made the park in ft lauderdale it would work
@@alexisr.diazmartinez5900 Fort Lauderdale is closer to the center of the Miami-Fort Lauderdale-Palm Beach metro population. But I doubt a ballpark there would do much better.
First, hire some baseball people who know what the hell they’re doing. Second, rename the stadium to Marlins Park @ the Orange Bowl. (That’s the location of the old Orange Bowl stadium before someone decided to tear it down for THIS.)
I bet that Jacksonville could do a better job with attendance, and JAX is many many times smaller in its metro area
I live in west Palm with is about an hour or so away, I just got into baseball but the marlins put me to sleep. I’d really love to go but the team needs to improve.
You really love loanDepot park you should go to it
This was a beautifully designed ballopark, in a good location, and is fantastic for fans and players. The issues with the Marlins have nothing to do with the stadium, unlike Oakland and Tampa Bay.
Recommend looking up David Sampson talking about the issues. They are unique to Miami.
Football will always be king in Florida
Went to a game there a couple weeks ago: 2 tickets including fees were $18, parking was $20. I even searched for $10 parking out of principle and couldn’t find any.
I usually park on the street and just pay a meter
WINNING CURES EVERYTHING
It’s only a “crazy lease” because the franchise is a tire fire and no one wants to go to the games. It’s a perfectly appropriate lease length in exchange for the obscene taxpayer ripoff that Loria and Samson perpetrated.
Every time fans like a player they immediately get rid of them…that is the problem…last year the funnest part was tracking Arráez going for 400…😢
After several bad years of play, the Marlins would get #1 and other high draft picks. Then in a few years, start winning again. This happened with the Astros. But there's another team that used to stink, mainly because they were an expansion team. And they also got better, good enough to contend, even make the World Series twice. They're in the same state as the Marlins, of course I'm talking about the Tampa Bay Rays. Despite being a World Series contender, the fans still don't show up. Even if the Marlins got better (and they themselves have _won_ two World Series), the fans _still_ wouldn't show up. Too much else to do in the Sunshine State, and it's @#$% Hot in the Summertime.
Unless it can be converted to a football stadium for UM I don't see Miami letting the team out of the lease since the bonds are back loaded so they will be paying hundreds of millions in the last 5 years of the lease.
I know the WBC exists but that may be because Miami is a town that will either come as tourists to view the spectacle or support the Cuban National Team.
It’s not a town for a MLB franchise, even if the Marlins were winning, they’d still have an attendance of around 20K. Many people in Miami are fans of the big market clubs like the Yankees, Dodgers, and Cubs. Fielding a competitive team may not help unless they make the playoffs 6-8 years in a row.
As a lifelong marlins fan here's a few things that other people would never understand. The location is horrible south Florida is ridiculously huge and getting to a game is a traffic nightmare but most importantly the biggest problem that nobody understands is that people in Miami hate the marlins with a passion since 1998 and still haven't forgave them.
Why do they hate the marlins?
@@edwardeduardo8561 because in 1997 they won the World Series and 10 minutes later ownership dismantled the whole team. A huge chunk of the fanbase never forgave them and because of it attendance went from constantly being top 15 to being in the bottom
@@CynicalCharlatan88 Ah, alright, thanks for the explanation buddy
The problem is the ownership not putting a consistent and fun product. In Miami is all about stars and a fun product. Look at the Heat, they built on the first championship and the franchise changed the attendance problem forever! They used to tarp off sections in the upper deck at the AAA. Look at what the Panthers have done! The Dolphins have sold out every game the last couple of years and look at Inter Miami. The Marlins need to have stars and a fun product and attendance will be up! No doubt about it! Go Fish!
Florida was ideal as a Grapefruit spring training state for a number of MLB teams before the bad weather arrived. People from other cities living in Florida full-time would go to the games along with baseball-rabid tourists from out of state to cheer on their home teams. Then, in early April, the teams would head north and leave the bad weather behind them. Absolutely foolish to put full-time MLB teams there, and it's not going to change in either Miami or Tampa.
Weird looking stadium.......but people say it's a gem and a good place to see a game.
Should be the Miami Hurricanes home. Marlins should kick rocks.
Winning team = high attendance
Loosing team = low attendance
4 playoff attendances in the last 27 years. Why would you spend money on attending a game for a team that is popularly known from Palm Beach down to Key West as a loosing team, when you could spend it on:
Florida Panthers - 4 consecutive playoffs appearances including a Stanley cup final.
Miami Heat 25 playoff attendances in 36 years of franchise. 3 championships in the bag.
Dolphins - Tua and McDaniel pumping up the franchise with 2 consecutive playoffs appearances.
Inter Miami - Besides having the soccer GOAT in the team alongside other world champions, they already won Leagues Cup, and are currently leaders in their league’s division.
For those claiming the traffic and the stadium location, just look at the attendance numbers for the 2023 WBC and 2024 Caribbean Series.
People will do whatever to see their team play. But it is almost impossible to build a fanbase when you don’t give anything to feel proud of.
They just think moving to a new area will get tickets sold? I mean yeah for a little because of the trend but not the numbers they want. Again they just want to profit, not invest.
Last time the roof has been opened for a game?
I think he mentioned in an older video that it’s opened mainly in April and some in May but that’s it.
Oh man. They gonna move. Oh crap. I dont have a place to see my favorite teams from up north playing there
FYI - LoanDepot, LLC is non-banking, mortgage financing company, headquartered in the Los Angeles suburb of Irvine, California.
What could possibly go wrong with LoanDepot, LLC Park?
- Marlins ownership sucks
- Team sucks
- Empty stadium
- Cost $634 million dollars to build
- Mortgage interest rates are up the wazoo
- LoanDepot, LLC is losing their shirts spending a fortune for naming rights ($10 million dollars a year) to put their name outside the wall of the stadium
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Home of a triple a team
The problem with Florida baseball in general is that the majority of the population are not native to the area. Most people that go to these games are from somewhere else and they are there to see their teams - including the Non MLB games. OK - so there are a lot of people at the Caribbean games or world games. Those people are there to see their home country - not Miami.
MLB games (and NFL) - most people are there to see the Yankees. The Mets. The White Sox. The Cubs. The Phillies. The Red Sox. Etc etc. Go to ANY game and ask ANYONE "Who is Skipper Chuck" and I guarantee that almost no one will know the answer. Give it 100 years when people really say they are from Miami - then maybe you might get a crowd.
The attendance is bad because their losing they need to start winning.
Many have said it’s what killed the Expos. Never had good attendance or support and played in a bad stadium.
The Texans NRG Stadium has only been open 2% of the time. That is the biggest waste of time and money in Houston.
I’ve been there a couple of times. I thought it was nice.
All star game is more important than wbc games there imo
People complaining about Marlins performance on the field miss the point. The whole point of a new ballpark is to carry you when the team is not that good. The ballpark becomes an attraction in and of itself. If you have a beautiful new facility, your attendance shouldn’t tank during the years you’re trying to rebuild your team. It’s supposed to stay respectable until the team gets good again. You shouldn’t be tarping off seats a few years into the life of a new ballpark no matter how bad the team is . There just isn’t enough interest in Miami. It’s a simple as that.
The Florida Marlins signed their own death certificate moving to MIA. They had the opportunity to keep their fan base moving 2 broward where the working ppl of SFLA live. They took the bait of the glamour/lights of MIA. #UMakeUrBedUSleepInIt
No one in Broward wanted to build them a stadium. They went to a place that was going to give them a stadium.
Weel said brother!!! I love Joe Robbie Stadium!!!
IN MIAMK WE ARE NOT GOING TO A GAME TO WATCH THEM LOSE. IF THEY WIN AND SHOW THAT THEY ARE TRYING TO WIN WE WILL COME BUT IF THE OWNERSHIP DONT CARE AND DONT WANT TO SPEND WHY SHOULD WE....
The Heat , Dolphins have great ownership.. the marlins have had poor owners.. Jeffery Loria and his former step son were carpet baggers , cash strapped , who sold as soon as they could after fleecing the city for the stadium
It’s Miami there is just way to many other things to do then to go watch a team with a 10-40 record. Take a look at the WBC attendance and the Caribbean Series Attendance that’s what Miami will bring if the owners have a damn
Spring training is the only thing that really works in FL it is that simple. Heat even when they were good didn’t draw well, FL is a vacation spot and people have more things they want to do then sit inside. Why NHL never worked in FL either.
I dont want to hear Marlin fans blame ownership not fielding a competitive team as the reason why fans don't show up. Stop it. There are teams that never field a competitive team like the Pirates, Rockies, and Reds. Guess what. Their fans show up to their games no excuses. Move the team I'm sure there is a baseball starving city that will care more about america's greatest pastime
This. Which is exactly why I love the NL Central. Committed fans regardless of status.
Plus the Marlins have made the playoffs twice since 2020. Their fans still don’t show up.
Thank you.😊
Those are cold weather cities and those teams also have attendence issues😂
@@SizzurpFoo no where near as bad as Miami what are you talking about
poor loan depot park. bro does not deserve this 🙏
The marlins attendance will NOT get better until the owners come out in public and APPOLOGIZE to the cuban community for the incident outside and inside , before and during the WBC match USA 🇺🇸 vs cuba 🇨🇺.
Didn't know so many stadiums were such low capacity, 30k. Dodgers stadium is 56k. Marlins need to build a winning culture. Fire sale for some young talent. Build a good farm system. Or spend money and get some talent.
Loandepot Park just is an expensive place to hold the WBC each 4 years. MLB won't ditch Miami due to its connection to Latina America.
They can host the Winter Caribbean Baseball Leagues: DR, Venezuela, Mexico, etc every year. Latinos will come.
Winn-Dixie should buy the naming rites. Thats a south Florida institution. Make every day BAT DAY and hand them out BEFORE THE GAME plus make all alcoholic beverages BOGO and served at the same time. Upper Deck Seats should ALWAYS be five dollar with ten-cent beer, and dollar MEDIA NOCHES.
No success?? They have 2 World Series championships since 1997. It's the management that has been terrible.
Its sucks.... every time a Marlins player becomes a good elite player they just trade them away because they cant afford to sign them... they need better ownership...
Orange Bowl should be rebuilt there and the Marlins can go fishing in another state they should never have a MLB team in Florida it’s only good for spring baseball.
It's not because it's a boring brand of baseball. It's because Florida in general is a state full of transplants that have allegiances to other teams. Furthermore, it's summer in Miami.... All the people that winter in Florida are gone at that point with the brutal summers. Miami has a lot of other things to do as well. It was also built in a terrible location which Dave Samson admitted was a mistake. The Rays are going to have many of the same problems even with a new stadium. Nobody wants to go from Tampa to St Pete and back on GameDay. That bridge is a traffic nightmare. So they're banking on St Pete stepping up, growing, and supporting that team. Good luck with that.
People said the same thing about California in the 1950s. Now look at it. Transplants offspring and their offspring will have less and less connection with the teams located where their grandparents once lived. Florida is booming in population and is becoming the California of this century.
I think the only focus right now in miami sports is Messi because the heat aren’t great and the marlins aren’t in a good situation the dolphins are ok but miami feels like it’s just Messi
Which is hilarious because MLS is viewed globally as a developmental league for the more elite Europe leagues and for old athletically declining star players who are at the twilight of their careers