Marine saying that she's already graduated from being a fujoshi, only to immediately explain how she's always hidden the fact she's a fujoshi by telling viewers she's already graduated from it, is peak pro-wrestling lol
is she serious about the "graduating" thing? ever since I've watched any marine related stuff I've always thought she is fujoshi... or maybe it's you never *really* stop being fujoshi XD
@@theonlymegumegu I don't keep up with Marine a lot but I remember once she mentioned buying Galo/Lio doujins, so she's a fujoshi as recently as 2019 at least. I also vaguely remember her mentioning writing BL in her Holotalk video with Kiara last year, but I could be wrong. I don't think she's graduated, once a fujo always a fujo lol.
@@alanjwhite hmm... actually, now that you say that, I'm wondering if what she meant by "graduating from fujoushi" is more like "i don't limit myself to fujoushi stuff" ^_^ i mean, the recent collab with her, sui and bae shows she's into quite a variety of lewd stuff XD
@@theonlymegumegu i just don’t see her talking about bl often. like just 2 or 3 clips. buy she’s really into lewd stuff like we already know lmao she just usually talks about hetero stuffs more. Since most of the bl fangirls are generally teenagers so I think she just got bored of reading them in time
This was way back, but then I do love it now that Flare is finally getting more and more open about herself these days, and also finally getting more and more recognition, this is probably one of the clips that will make you realize how close these two really are..
If there's one thing from my Fujoshi friend, you can't graduate from it. Didn't Senchou say so too? She was like awakened when people around her started to talk about BL and stuffs xD Senchou is Biscuit? They're both _BABA_ so it might too accurate 😂 Park Romi and her voice is too cool, understandable if she has a lot of fangirls Hoshin Engi, so nostalgic. I've read that too! Definitely recommended! -Subscribe-
Its the same thing as being an alcoholic. You're never not an alcoholic anymore. Because the moment you relax and think you're not. You'll fall right into it again. Thats why part of the treatment is always admit you are an alcoholic indefinitely.
it’s ur ‘fujo friend’s problem. i was into that when i was like 13 and now i hate it. I wouldn’t even read again it for like 1 million dollar lmao I also hate the annoying fanbase too i hope they’ll graduate from it as soon as possible :)
I feel like a small version of me is inside my head holding this knowledge in his hands and wondering where in the brain to put it. I just don't know what to do with this lol.
I love this otaku talk! Marine brings out the otaku in anyone, cuz she can keep up. Thanks for digging up this. Reminds me of when Matsuri and Marine were chatting about loli artists awhile back, and Marine wasn't totally clueless!
>Marine worried about what male listeners might think if she says she's a fujoshi You underestimate our power. Thanks for the perfectly-shabby subs as usual!
That was a joy to watch, thanks for subtitling all that. It's interesting to see how much they're willing to share, and how good of friends they are that they can both share and tease.
There are things that Id rather unlearn, and the term Omegaverse is at the top of the list. The massive head ache that I got just trying to wrap my head around the concept while my fujoshi friend tried to explain it to me was intense.
I've read it in Wiki ... I think it's as explainable as Futanari ... No, maybe Omegaverse is more logically make sense than Futanari ... If I'd say ...
@@ManusiaKagakRusuh you wanna know what I learned about it? But, honestly its like getting knowledge from an Eldritch god. Yeah, you know more, but its a total mind Fk
I'm guessing it's just something where guys don't, or are expected to not like, gay stuff, even frown upon it, which is absolutely dumb but unfortunately a thing.
there are so many omegaverse mangas out there, especially in the yaoi category lol. Certain Korean, Chinese and Japanese omegaverse BL are pretty popular too.
What was that saying about the abyss? Well lookie here, it stares back. But seriously, given the interest people have had to learn different languages and scour Pixiv for comics and fiction, it would be silly to assume some Japanese people don't do the same.
I learned about the Omegaverse through that bonkers lawsuit awhile back and Dom Noble reviewing like two Omegaverse books. Deeply cursed knowledge right there.
Even among the Holomem, I think only a few of the girls could keep up with this level of otakuness. Flare, Marine, FBK, Okayu, Polka, and FBK. Probably Reine and Iofi in ID as well. Maybe Kronii in EN and that's it.
Flare talks about being and otaku the way Rock Lee talks about chakra gates. If Flare opens her otaku gate 60%, she will die under an avalanche of BL comics.
Didnt know that Flare is such a big Otaku. Also I can recommend the Hakyu Hoshin Engi Anime. Its so bad, that it becomes good again. A lot of alcohol is recommended. The Manga is propably good. Like actually good.
@@milesedgeworth132 I mean she literally implied in this clip that she likes everything i.e. she likes BL, yuri and straight stuff hence why she doesn't identify as a fujo
@@NamePending9 That has nothing with what I'm saying. To make what I said clearer: I don't think she's into gay stuff because she's an otaku. It's probably because she's actually gay irl.
IF you see Flare's karaoke streams, her anime song selection is quite wide and varied, across genres and date of airing. She has the most variety of songs if you are an older otaku.
"She might hide it well, but she's a huge otaku" Marine, Anyone singing HEATS and STORM on-stream is indeed a huge otaku. You can neither hide or fake that. Only those who truly believes in Getter can pull those songs with dedication level as high as Flare.
They're already questioning omegaverse and bl let that sink they ain't prepared for the yurification, let's be gentle and try not to fried their brains at once.
Honestly, the fact that Marine likes that kind of stuff just makes her even more endearing lol. She doesn’t need to worry about male viewers being put off xD
they're right, I completely understood their talk LMAO to all the overseas sexy bros and ladies who don't understand, it's okay, it's just good fandom talk :D
@@martuuk8964 I wouldn’t say a f*ghag is the same thing as a fujoshi; a f*ghag is a woman who is close friends with a gay man or men and hangs around them a lot, not necessarily one who’s turned on by male homosexuality (though I suppose there’s probably some overlap).
It kinda matches well with how Flare is. I think she has already mentioned it several times, but she tend to say that she likes people that "tried hard to get her attention".
Honestly, I'd appreciate it if they could be more open with their likes and stuff. I feel even with the seemingly freeform way Hololive works, they still feel the need to hide those likes. It would be like going to an anime convention and then trying to hide you like anime, that would be stifling. Besides any fool who would be put off and look down on them when he is basically there to be entertained and fawned on by anime girls would be the height of hypocrisy. We should at least let our own peeps feel comfortable being who they are.
They CAN be more open, but why would they? Not many people walk straight out into public and go "Here are my fetishes, let's discuss!". Being open about liking to eat oranges and being open about liking wolf-hierarchy sex stories are very different things. One of those things you can talk about with parents, children, and the public. The other you don't scream from the rooftops. That's just the way things are pretty much anywhere not specifically made for people to discuss such things.
Man, now this is a surprise I have stumble upon omega stuff here and there, but thought it a niche fetish not a semi sweet standar for fujoshies. I mean, stuf has hetero,gay, poli, trans, futa, etc. It more about the power play than sexuality, but it's just an over the top exageratio of stereotypes, social roles and fetishes, often compare it to the over exagerated muscular art you can find mix in certain sites, so never catch my interest really. Well, I suppose I learn something new today.
I hate that I understood everything they talked about. I spent too long in the tumblr trenches back in the day... I've never heard the term 'dream novel' before though. In the west they tend to be called 'self-insert fics' or 'character x reader' stories.
I feel safe in assuming that any girl remotely interested in anime is a fujoshi. Some may not be as crazy about it as others, but it doesnt seem like something you ever "graduate" from. Its certainly not something Marine needs to hide at the very least. Most of us male viewers may not be interested in BL, but if its something Marine is passionate about then I think most of us would be happy to hear her talk about it
Nah, don't worry. Nothing in media is reality. Not in the west, not in Japan. Always remember. The vast, vast, vast, vast majority of 'degenerate blue eyed blondes' you see on the internet, in mass media, doing all sorts of heinous stuff. They all have dark eyebrows and hair roots. Cause they don't bother to dye the brows. It's why only 'white allies' do the warning hair color too, they're the only ones that 'need' to do t hta to make it easier for the actors to pretend they're human. Blacks don't have to sport blue hair cause their hair is already dark, just like the hair of the actors.
I always encountered this when I occasionally scan fanfics and somehow I always felt like it was something popular among women. And apparently I was right?
I mean I actually like it when people talk about things they like even if it's fujoshi related as long as it doesn't make them into an ilogical screaming banshee who attacks people on social media when someone disagrees with them (Yes I'm looking at you BTS worshipers)
Honestly i can somewhat keep up with fujo talk as far as understadning what's being said but having an opinion is where things get REALLY dicey for me. Also i always thought marine's fujo side was highly entertaining especially during the undertale playthrough when the guards had their "moment"
I feel like I just stumbled upon a concept I shouldn't know, I just gained +1 insight like in Bloodborne
More like we got a great ones wisdom. I received more than just madman’s knowledge
Wait till you hear about the court battles over it.
Ahhh...Marine...or some say Senchou....do you hear our prayers?
@@glorioustigereye Another +1 Insight, thank you
Let's just say that if one day you decide to go in AO3 (archive of our own), you are now a wiser traveller.
Omegaverse sounds like some Marvel issue where planets explode and Wolverine is on the cover again, but in reality its just gay hentai.
Marvel universe but instead big muscular men get together for an intergalactic orgy. Sounds wild lmao.
What's wrong with these women
@@sned_dunes Nothing. They enjoy something you don't.
It’s a place where Thanos claps his cheeks to any men he may please.
@@milesedgeworth132 Disgusting. Now, if you'll excuse me, I'll continue to read my futa doujinshi
Marine saying that she's already graduated from being a fujoshi, only to immediately explain how she's always hidden the fact she's a fujoshi by telling viewers she's already graduated from it, is peak pro-wrestling lol
is she serious about the "graduating" thing? ever since I've watched any marine related stuff I've always thought she is fujoshi... or maybe it's you never *really* stop being fujoshi XD
@@theonlymegumegu I don't keep up with Marine a lot but I remember once she mentioned buying Galo/Lio doujins, so she's a fujoshi as recently as 2019 at least. I also vaguely remember her mentioning writing BL in her Holotalk video with Kiara last year, but I could be wrong. I don't think she's graduated, once a fujo always a fujo lol.
@@theonlymegumegu i always felt she was more into ‘straight things’ more
@@alanjwhite hmm... actually, now that you say that, I'm wondering if what she meant by "graduating from fujoushi" is more like "i don't limit myself to fujoushi stuff" ^_^ i mean, the recent collab with her, sui and bae shows she's into quite a variety of lewd stuff XD
@@theonlymegumegu i just don’t see her talking about bl often. like just 2 or 3 clips. buy she’s really into lewd stuff like we already know lmao she just usually talks about hetero stuffs more. Since most of the bl fangirls are generally teenagers so I think she just got bored of reading them in time
This was way back, but then I do love it now that Flare is finally getting more and more open about herself these days, and also finally getting more and more recognition, this is probably one of the clips that will make you realize how close these two really are..
the title triggered my fight or flight response
"Welcome to the world of gays, let's explore it together."
I did not think that the Omegaverse even had a Japanese fandom, let alone one large enough for Marine to know about.
1/3 of haikyuu bl doujins on a particular site are omegaverse the last time I checked
Flare: I like the gap moe. They look weak but they're really strong.
Me: well that explains Sans. Well GG Sans, you just fit in her tastes
ooOOOHHH ... So that's why Flare love him ... It make sense now ...
Sans is gap moe
"Youkosou, homo no sekai e"
I'm saying this every day
Marine: I've graduated from being a fujoshi
No, Marine, you evolved into a higher form.
bro stop being fxcking annoying she isn’t a horni teenager she’s a grown women. there isn’t any fujo above 15 years so it makes sense :)
If there's one thing from my Fujoshi friend, you can't graduate from it. Didn't Senchou say so too?
She was like awakened when people around her started to talk about BL and stuffs xD
Senchou is Biscuit? They're both _BABA_ so it might too accurate 😂
Park Romi and her voice is too cool, understandable if she has a lot of fangirls
Hoshin Engi, so nostalgic. I've read that too! Definitely recommended!
-Subscribe-
Can you even graduate from a fetish!? Lol
She just keep it low profile, we all have that very nich likes you just don't bring up.
Its the same thing as being an alcoholic. You're never not an alcoholic anymore. Because the moment you relax and think you're not. You'll fall right into it again. Thats why part of the treatment is always admit you are an alcoholic indefinitely.
it’s ur ‘fujo friend’s problem. i was into that when i was like 13 and now i hate it. I wouldn’t even read again it for like 1 million dollar lmao I also hate the annoying fanbase too i hope they’ll graduate from it as soon as possible :)
I feel like a small version of me is inside my head holding this knowledge in his hands and wondering where in the brain to put it. I just don't know what to do with this lol.
You can just put it on your questionable kink collection ... If I'd say ...
Everyone panic, Ao3 has escaped containment!
Calm down, Ao3 IS the containment.
I love this otaku talk! Marine brings out the otaku in anyone, cuz she can keep up. Thanks for digging up this. Reminds me of when Matsuri and Marine were chatting about loli artists awhile back, and Marine wasn't totally clueless!
I must find this stream
@@ultimadrago try "matsuri Marine loli manga" by Vtuber Clips (links don't always post in comments)
>Marine worried about what male listeners might think if she says she's a fujoshi
You underestimate our power.
Thanks for the perfectly-shabby subs as usual!
"Oh, no end gag this time."
>Source: Bleach
You got me good
That was a joy to watch, thanks for subtitling all that. It's interesting to see how much they're willing to share, and how good of friends they are that they can both share and tease.
Now imagining Flare is like Guy sensei except she releases otaku gates
Of course Marine knows Omegaverse. She's an avid BL fan after all. I didn't expect Flare to know so much about it too tho lol
True. The genre is more pervasive than what people think. Heck even my name is a reference to western BL.
Everyday I grow more respect for ShabbySubs.
I like it when they talk about their interests. Not interested in bl at all, but it's still really interesting to hear them chat about it
There are things that Id rather unlearn, and the term Omegaverse is at the top of the list.
The massive head ache that I got just trying to wrap my head around the concept while my fujoshi friend tried to explain it to me was intense.
I've read it in Wiki ... I think it's as explainable as Futanari ... No, maybe Omegaverse is more logically make sense than Futanari ... If I'd say ...
@@ManusiaKagakRusuh you wanna know what I learned about it?
But, honestly its like getting knowledge from an Eldritch god. Yeah, you know more, but its a total mind Fk
Those dream novels aren't for me either.
But if there was a dream novel about being a subscriber to ShabbySubz, I might try it out.
Dont need a dream novel for that ;)
@@timergu Smooth
I'm a straight guy and I can follow the topic
I'm guessing it's just something where guys don't, or are expected to not like, gay stuff, even frown upon it, which is absolutely dumb but unfortunately a thing.
OHHHHH THE JPCOMMUNITY KNOWS ABOUT OMEGAVERSE?!!
there are so many omegaverse mangas out there, especially in the yaoi category lol. Certain Korean, Chinese and Japanese omegaverse BL are pretty popular too.
What was that saying about the abyss? Well lookie here, it stares back. But seriously, given the interest people have had to learn different languages and scour Pixiv for comics and fiction, it would be silly to assume some Japanese people don't do the same.
These chatting collabs with Marine and Flare are really great.
Marine: I'm normal now...
X to doubt
But that's why I like her.
Thank you for imparting us with this knowledge
That end card made me laugh even harder than Flare's reaction to Marine saying she's smart.
thanks shabby
I had to curiously, slowly swallow down 8 minutes of this talk. It do bring summary from a fujoshi's perspective.
top tier ending panel joke
Ha! Little did they know, I read an Omegaverse book and that was Love Shuttle or Shutter...I forgot which one, but yall should read it.
Flare giggles, first time for me
A forbidden lore
this topic hits different now that OmegaAlpha is the EN Senior Staff
very wholesome conversation.
i approve.
It's interesting how "kayfabe" as a word isn't that widespread, but the concept is.
Your clips so good I subscribed two times
Graduated from it... Like she "graduated" from her shotacon phase?
Strange enough, I thought Marine would have been immune to the fear of being thought of as creepy.
Laugh = grass
Scripted = pro-wrestling
🤣🤣🤣
Ah omegavers-
OMEGAVERSE?! *sweating intensifies*
I learned about the Omegaverse through that bonkers lawsuit awhile back and Dom Noble reviewing like two Omegaverse books. Deeply cursed knowledge right there.
I'm not aware it was called Omegaverse but I was aware of the subject material of it
seiso is over
*FOREVER*
well, i can say i never heard of Omegaverse before this.
Even among the Holomem, I think only a few of the girls could keep up with this level of otakuness. Flare, Marine, FBK, Okayu, Polka, and FBK. Probably Reine and Iofi in ID as well. Maybe Kronii in EN and that's it.
Flare talks about being and otaku the way Rock Lee talks about chakra gates. If Flare opens her otaku gate 60%, she will die under an avalanche of BL comics.
Damn I thought it was some JP otaku deep lore, turns out apparently it's based on Star Trek and Supernatural lmao
I really, really, REALLY just want to know if BL Senshou knows about Gachimuchi and Billy Herrington
of course she knows it . since shes from niconico
W-What am I supposed to do with this knowledge? Do I look into it deeper? Stare into the abyss and hope to Matsuri it doesn't stare back?
Watch the Lindsay Ellis video on the federal court case it spawned and don't think about it?
I'm a degenelate with a huge powerlevel, but I never heard of Omegaverse till now.
Oh my dude, you lack of forbidden knowledge 🙏
I wouldn't care about Marine being fujoshi tbh. I'd just listen to whatever she talks about.
I feel like I get something from this.
Even translated I feel I understood like half of this
I didn't know the term omegaverse but the bl manga with those settings I have found interesting if only due to the relationship dynamics.
Do you imagine Flare could open up before anyone else like that, except Senchou...? Muri~des~!
The (Subscribe) Heart
Thanks for the long clip Shabby 👍
Didnt know that Flare is such a big Otaku.
Also I can recommend the Hakyu Hoshin Engi Anime. Its so bad, that it becomes good again. A lot of alcohol is recommended.
The Manga is propably good. Like actually good.
Iirc Flare is like actually a les
@@milesedgeworth132 I mean she literally implied in this clip that she likes everything i.e. she likes BL, yuri and straight stuff hence why she doesn't identify as a fujo
@@NamePending9 That has nothing with what I'm saying. To make what I said clearer: I don't think she's into gay stuff because she's an otaku. It's probably because she's actually gay irl.
Flare is a huge otaku. Whenever she talks about otaku stuff, her talking speed can rival Marine's.
IF you see Flare's karaoke streams, her anime song selection is quite wide and varied, across genres and date of airing. She has the most variety of songs if you are an older otaku.
it literally always comes back to HxH with Marine, huh
Aside from this otaku talk, didnt know pekora is into hitsugaya ( oxo)
"She might hide it well, but she's a huge otaku"
Marine, Anyone singing HEATS and STORM on-stream is indeed a huge otaku. You can neither hide or fake that.
Only those who truly believes in Getter can pull those songs with dedication level as high as Flare.
They know about omegaverse... Very cultured.
flare likes hitsu? understandable he's a bit of a shota
My boy Taikoubou!
I swear all of 3rd gen are too precious, they're the gift that keeps on giving!
Omegaverse in yuri is a little bit...different 🤣
Just a bit...
just a liiiiiiiitle bit
They're already questioning omegaverse and bl let that sink they ain't prepared for the yurification, let's be gentle and try not to fried their brains at once.
6:48 Is this one of the reasons Flare likes sans so much? lol
Honestly, the fact that Marine likes that kind of stuff just makes her even more endearing lol. She doesn’t need to worry about male viewers being put off xD
they're right, I completely understood their talk LMAO
to all the overseas sexy bros and ladies who don't understand, it's okay, it's just good fandom talk :D
SHABBY WHY IS TH-cam NOT PUTTING YOUR VIDS IN MY SUB BOX I AM DEVASTATED
Sadly... I'm a fundashi myself, so I completely understand what they are talking about.
@@martuuk8964 thanks for this i dont know what they were saying
@@martuuk8964 I wouldn’t say a f*ghag is the same thing as a fujoshi; a f*ghag is a woman who is close friends with a gay man or men and hangs around them a lot, not necessarily one who’s turned on by male homosexuality (though I suppose there’s probably some overlap).
@@martuuk8964 - it's fudanshi.
some of these comments mentioning how they're only now learning about omegaverse, how cute lol
It kinda matches well with how Flare is. I think she has already mentioned it several times, but she tend to say that she likes people that "tried hard to get her attention".
Ahhh yesss, they know of this omegaverse world too xD
Lost it at the end card
Honestly, I'd appreciate it if they could be more open with their likes and stuff. I feel even with the seemingly freeform way Hololive works, they still feel the need to hide those likes. It would be like going to an anime convention and then trying to hide you like anime, that would be stifling. Besides any fool who would be put off and look down on them when he is basically there to be entertained and fawned on by anime girls would be the height of hypocrisy. We should at least let our own peeps feel comfortable being who they are.
They CAN be more open, but why would they? Not many people walk straight out into public and go "Here are my fetishes, let's discuss!". Being open about liking to eat oranges and being open about liking wolf-hierarchy sex stories are very different things. One of those things you can talk about with parents, children, and the public. The other you don't scream from the rooftops. That's just the way things are pretty much anywhere not specifically made for people to discuss such things.
4:32 there's a superchat from someone named gura....before her channel even existed 👀👀
time travel confirmed
Ah yes, never break the kayfabe.
I hate that I know what they're talking about because my other fujoshi friends explained it to me like their life depended on it way back when.
Is "Subscribe" an actual frame from Bleach manga?
search otome road.
whelp
The omegaverse legitimately rustles my jimmies
How d'ya feel about soul bonds? Lol.
This is such an open minded conversation about omegaverse, yumejoshi fanfics (self insert) and anime bfs im really impressed tbh
Man, now this is a surprise
I have stumble upon omega stuff here and there, but thought it a niche fetish not a semi sweet standar for fujoshies.
I mean, stuf has hetero,gay, poli, trans, futa, etc. It more about the power play than sexuality, but it's just an over the top exageratio of stereotypes, social roles and fetishes, often compare it to the over exagerated muscular art you can find mix in certain sites, so never catch my interest really.
Well, I suppose I learn something new today.
It's pretty common for m/m works, and even originated with them afaik
I hate that I understood everything they talked about. I spent too long in the tumblr trenches back in the day...
I've never heard the term 'dream novel' before though. In the west they tend to be called 'self-insert fics' or 'character x reader' stories.
Most people don't know about omegaverse? Or did I just out myself
Run out of ending cards?
I feel safe in assuming that any girl remotely interested in anime is a fujoshi. Some may not be as crazy about it as others, but it doesnt seem like something you ever "graduate" from. Its certainly not something Marine needs to hide at the very least. Most of us male viewers may not be interested in BL, but if its something Marine is passionate about then I think most of us would be happy to hear her talk about it
Had no idea omegaverse had infiltrated Japan. Surely this is the beginning of the end
Nah, don't worry. Nothing in media is reality. Not in the west, not in Japan.
Always remember. The vast, vast, vast, vast majority of 'degenerate blue eyed blondes' you see on the internet, in mass media, doing all sorts of heinous stuff.
They all have dark eyebrows and hair roots. Cause they don't bother to dye the brows. It's why only 'white allies' do the warning hair color too, they're the only ones that 'need' to do t hta to make it easier for the actors to pretend they're human.
Blacks don't have to sport blue hair cause their hair is already dark, just like the hair of the actors.
I always encountered this when I occasionally scan fanfics and somehow I always felt like it was something popular among women. And apparently I was right?
4:55 Senchou is so cultured that OOC behavior is a turn-off.
I mean I actually like it when people talk about things they like even if it's fujoshi related as long as it doesn't make them into an ilogical screaming banshee who attacks people on social media when someone disagrees with them (Yes I'm looking at you BTS worshipers)
Honestly i can somewhat keep up with fujo talk as far as understadning what's being said but having an opinion is where things get REALLY dicey for me. Also i always thought marine's fujo side was highly entertaining especially during the undertale playthrough when the guards had their "moment"
They're really dating themselves here lol
I was hoping this shit was contained to the English-speaking world. But of course, Marine knows about it.
2:51 based gatekeeper darkelves. Remember to keep your hobbies clean from normies, boys
FYI, Flare is not a dark elf, and hates people calling her one
@@SoraRaida what a shame
Or they're like alcoholics that don't want their nephews to end up on the same wretched path.
Oh no.... Why, Connor?!?! WHY?!?!?!?!?