Nah, it is an offlaner. They surpose to feed, dash into enemies recklessly and wait your team mates save you then you die or when your entire team had no vision over enemies you go charge to the tower hoping they aim you but you struggle to survive and the rest still farm.
Hats off Jenkins! I was expecting more or less meaningless adjectives or ones that apply to every role. But you found very fitting and most importantly distict character traits for each role.
Pos 1: Calculated (A person that knows what they're trying to do without thinking about it and calculate every movement they made) Pos 2: Cocky (A person with high confident that can secure kill even by himself alone) Pos 3: Mischievous (A person that likes to play around and possibly can make enemy triggered, to create space for your teammate) Pos 4: Empathy (A person that have an ability to understand what their team and enemy thought and knows what exactly they're thinking) Pos 5: Strategic (A person that knows how to make a plan, knows where to place and dewards, knows when to attack, basically the captain)
@@chaz-e So that's why we often see captains in position 5. Back in the day, I thought that position 1 should be the captain, but that's rarely the case in pro Dota.
@@MCSPARTAN501 Negative, as a position 1 myself, 4k, I'm always thinking about a lot of things, like Jenkins said, I'm calculating my moves and etc. So I wouldnt be a good captain, because I already have a lot of thinking and counterthinking to do as well to be able to carry my team.
U will be surprised how hard it is to make a good shrapnel in a mobile teamfight or do a 3 shrapnels in a row kill, sometimes simplicity can also be hard
Sniper is one of the most difficult midlaner for me, other midlaner like storm or sf has burst damage and itemization that let you survive easier, but sniper? hell, I don't want this hard hero that has no escape, itemization that must be offensive to deal damage, no reliable burst
Wouldn't even bother with a sniper mid, very few heroes that can't outposition him and squash him with utter ease... shadow blade? So easily counteracted and a waste of a 6th slot
Yea lmao I was like: Bitch what?!?!? The fact there's to no comments about this is absolutely hilarious. I mean most players havent seen Speeed's face and Yawar does kinda look like Sumail being his brother and all but come on how come nobody recognizes Somnus from Topson?
He didn't cover the Coach role. Rude to leave that important position out. I'll cover the base here, good Coaches need hair and confidence. That's all.
Don't you love when someone that studied every role laid it out so easily to understand pulls a video out, oh wait they did. Sadly not everyone speaks english otherwise this would have to be in every dota 2 tutorial. GJ my man
Carry = Calculating Mid = Confident/ Borderline Cocky I actually think this is the exact reason why Miracle moved to carry position from mid laner. Idk how to explain but if you watch a few of his games as mid laner it becomes pretty clear.
1: Assured (Knows their own abilities and others to accurately decimate the enemy when ready) 2: Competitive (The drive to compete pushes them to excel, winning the game is second to OWNING the enemies) 3: Aggravating (Does the most to tilt opponents, slow their farm, and is the mascot of teamfights) 4: Intuitive (Basically what Jenkins said. Bonus points when you "surprise" the enemies for a gank) 5: Altruistic (Does what is necessary to help their team)
Cero you can play both or just pick whicever one you like more I’m a strategic and cocky guy too but I play mid becuase I always premute my teams and don’t talk at all so my strategy would be uselesss in pubs
When I started playing Dota I started as a mid only player, but after 3 years of playing core and being toxic af I started playing pos 4 and 5. Since I made that change i’ve gained more mmr and im not as toxic as I was as a core player.
@@gamalmohamed3566 Some people like to call pos 4 a "soft mid" role. You basicly do the same as the mid player, you just have less resources and dont farm. You get to do all the fun shit and fight and gank, but you dont have to worry about the ammount of responsibility. Pos 4 is by far the most fun role!
Great take Jenkins. I'm personally a pos 4 main and I would agree Empathy is what you need to be most successful. As support, I think myself more as the 'set up' for ganks and engages. I make it my duty to recognize tactical advantages ( cooldowns, vision, map awareness ) and basically "green light" our engages. My team has grown to follow me on these calls. I'd venture to add to your thesis that Supports are the true "shot callers" for fights. A ( Good ) support knows when your team will win any fight and thus, WHEN to engage.
Validation appreciated. I have been playing only pos 4 and 5 for the last 3-4 years, but moved to pos 4 exclusively like 6 months ago. My mmr went up a lot, but then recently crashed atfter the all pick changes. I’ve been crawling my way back up however... Anyway, empathetic has always been the word I would use to describe myself. My sister who is into spiritual things calls me an “empath” so good to know i’m on the right path.
I started playing Support just because the guy who introduced me to Dota is a core player, so I always played support. But now, I play support just because it is somewhat of a laid-back role, where you don't have to constantly think about ways of out-farming your opponents. (I'm hella lazy)
Yeah but like jenkins said, since don’t have to worry about the farming department, your thought process will be elsewhere. You gotta look at the whole picture and set up situations where you can close out the game in your favour. It is definitely not laid back lol, not in my experience anyways. There’s a reason why In esports the pos 5 is usually the captain of the team
@@familyfriendlycontent.jayp1944 while playing carry I stress about myself not getting enough last hits, or wasting time not farming... and it's never the case with playing support, where you just have to push free lanes, ward and stack if possible. it's okay if the support isn't farmed, but never okay if the carry isn't. Getting what I mean? I'm 2k MMR, so probably I'm still shit, so nvm, just trying to get my point across
Sahil Mambilly dw I’m in the shit tier as well but that’s okay, everyone was in the lower brackets at some stage. As a support your impact is super important. From the start of the game to 20 minutes every second is needed. Laning stage is everything. Trading with the carry, buying regen, rushing tranquils and stick. Getting level 6 before 12 minutes but also giving your safe lane carry as much solo experience as possible. Hitting level 6 you go and smoke with your other support and or offlane. And that’s just the surface, I don’t even have a full grasp on that obviously, and then warding is a whole other ball game. Supporting isn’t easier then carrying, people are just focusing on the farming aspect too much. Farm won’t do anything if the right team fights arent made, or the right objectives are pushed.
@Nmitri Mendel yeah, dude, playing core is hella hard for me now. I made a new account just so I can start fresh as a carry, but the experience was absolutely garbage, it took me 18mins for one normal match!
I usually play sup 4 or 5. Sup 4 is my favorite because i can be more aggressive and playmaker, while not getting full responsability for the wards (because i'm still learning how to position them properly) Also, i love your videos Jenkins, but does someome have another youtuber that could help me play dota a little better? I wish you could post everyday, because, from all the content creators i found, you're the one that i learn the most.
I’d recommend Dota d Bowie, he’s great at analysing the latest patches and explaining simply why several different esports players performed the way they did
I find this to be so true even before this video. I really enjoy helping people, usually putting others before myself IRL. And I realized that I enjoy playing supportive roles more. In every game I play, i enjoy more playing the support role. Be it a healer, a tank, or a utility.
I play almost exclusively pos 4 Pudge, I buy some utility items, a metric shitton of wards and some aura items. I do this because I love being the nightmare of the map and making the enemy team paranoid all the time and punish them, when they are not on the edge the entire time. I also like supporting my team with wards, but wards also increase my ability to terrorise the enemy team even more. My end goal is to either make them too terrified to leave the base, or make them focus me first in every teamfight out of fear and PTSD.
Same to me brother, i dont think "empathetic" is the right word, i think "intuitive" or "opportunists" might be better because we always look for the best opportunity to get kills quick and get out. I play pos 4 pudge and very rarely farm, from start to finish I always rotate all lanes looking for opportunities to kill anyone at all times
@@Andy-qd3lu Yes, but also I can sometimes stay visible on one lane to force rotations, or discourage harrasment. I usually do this on mid, if my midder loses badly.
@@Andy-qd3lu as a pudge player I'm agreed with opportunist traits, always hook when it possible to kill (no escape item/skill/cd on tp). Always pressure their enemy support to buy sents / tp
This topic is a very interesting one, especially when one starts thinking on specific playstyles on each role. I played a lot of Offlane, and the mischief is vastly diferent when you play Batrider and when you play Tidehunter; I specifically remember a Batrider game i had, where i was thinking to myself "I don't care if its going to get me killed, im gonna do everything in my power to make the enemy Invoker miserable". Also wonder how these work with "off-meta" playstyles. Great video, as always!
I play support because: 1. I love seeing my mates be successful. 2. I don't like to see my friends getting hurt. 3. I can do much with minimal resources. I'm amazed on how it reflects on how I do in real life. I didn't really realize it until I saw this video. Great concept Jenkins.
I love you Jenkins thanks for reading will edit after watching. I just like going pos4 because then I can be an asshole to the whole enemy team, I know that is a weird one, but picking offlane and having to farm and shit is annoying, I just want to get to the good stuff quicker.
ya as an ex pos 4 player i can agree i love the role because im impatient and ALWAYS looking for a kill. i think SADISTIC might be the trait for this role. just look at every pos 4 player in the eyes and tell me they arent into fisting porn
I used to be a mid player when I started playing Dota2 again in December. As time was passing, I changed into a carry player, until I met my current boyfriend who was a competing pos4 player. He asked me to try that role and I absolutely fell in love with being pos4 next to him. And I agree with what you said about pos4 mentality and now I fully understand why I didn't succeed as a mid or carry player. But here is my point: I COULD play with no communication, but my teammates are barely doing anything when I'm trying to set up a gank or when our lane gets ganked. Because of our similar playstyles and how we adapted to each other with my bf, we end up sending the carry to the jungle, where they disappear and reappear with many items. And we end up losing the game because our teammates weren't aware of our lane or we cant set up a gank on the carry. My other issue is that I must play both pos4-5 roles constantly. And by this, I mean that most pos5 players rush for an item (agha, most of the time) and forget wards an the other things that they must do. So I end up doing both roles... story of my life.
As a pos 3 and 4 player, this is spot on. But I wouldn’t call the pos 4 trait empathy, but more being observant. You don’t empathize with your teammates or the enemy, but you read them. You see the pattern over multiple games which hero is doing what a what time and act accordingly.
Can you please make a video suggesting where newer players should start. I started with bots and now i play mostly turbo with friends. What should people switching from all pick or turbo to ranked should know?
You should definitely know what each role requires (which heroes are better suited to which lanes, hero counters, etc) and stick to it especially when you're first starting out (if you havent already done so).
@@SarjanaMagicChess agreed! But I remember when I started I just followed the item guides until I got a better feel for the game! I'm sure if hes playing with his friends his friends will tell him which situational items to go for (hopefully) but very good point 😊
@@rui5038 i just hate midlaner/carry who thinks bkb/aeon isn't important item. These items imo drastically increasing survivability if they got ganked/bursted in teamfight
Jenkins should be THE dota 2 Teacher/Mentor! He goes so in depth, not into the mechanics so people can copy-rinse-and-repeate (like league whereyoujustcopyproplayerstotheT) But he goes into depth on you, the player! Like a proper mentor should!
I was playing position 1 many years ago, then I went for support roles because even tho I was not that bad carry, I felt like it's better for me to play supportive dota for all my teammates than farm whole game and let the team rely on me. Playing support is in my opinion much more important than a carry roles, because the game is basically on you till something like 30 minute (depends on a carry hero). Then from position 4, I started playing offlane and in this position I realized that you can actually carry the game by your own because you get farm and if you have a strong lane and good potential, you have also kills. And basically as an offlaner nothing makes me more happy than when all their team has to rotate you to help their carry and in some cases when you play something like timber, they are not even able to kill you or it's not a good deal for them, because when they rotate you and you can die, it doesnt matter. You create ton of space for midlane and safelane. So from my experience, I can easily say that I can't be a good carry or mid anymore because I have always that feeling "oh shit, wards are on stock", "I have to buy dust, just in case. Or smoke, we can smoke and kill someone" or "tome is up". So even tho I tried to play carry again, I could not think about these things, because usually my supports didn't give a shit about support items. :D
I love this so bad, really. Love. This. It's just that I happened to come to that kind of "conclusion", too, BUT when another people (you) with their own perspective presented it that way,... It just felt good, so good. Godspeed, Jenkins, bro. Keep it up! :D
dude this video was soooo goood, and as a pos1 player i can confirm that while i was stuck at 3k mmr at mid, i climbed to 4.2k within 6 months of shifting to pos1 .... this personality assesment is actually pretty accurate when i compare what u described, to my friends and myself who play those roles ...
I play hard support I just love to be the pillar upon which my teammates and carries stand, i may go unnoticed at times but they'll never want for vision, or heals, or auras, or stuns. I will always be there to lend the helping hand. (tbh just satisfying being the guy that helps us all coordinate and move forward in the game and i feel like im pretty good at it.
Dude, I love ur content, your channel it's probably the last of my love for dota, I'm so frustrated about my rank, the game it's so hard im tired of try my best and keep not progressing. (obviously I don't speak English so well xd)
dont queue rank when you feel frustrated. go play unrank, and only go rank if you feel like you are ready to enjoy a good game of dota (do not consciously keep thinking about winning) just focus on the game. stop queueing rank when you have 2 consecutive losses
I play supportive roles because nobody wants to play them, so by supporting the hell of my team and meancing the enemy team. I also enjoy ganking since i like to kill the enemies in few seconds.
I have traits of all of these but I am highly empathetic naturally and have naturally landed into the 4 position. I think empathy is the correct way of putting it because that is where you get a 6th sense for these kinds of things. Empathy is putting yourself in another persons shoes. If you regularly think, "if I was him this is what I would do..." and make moves based on that then you might be a pos4. The fact a lot of 4s have skill shots isn't an accident either, it uses the same thought process, "he knows I have a hook so he's going to..."
Played pos 5 for 500 matches now, and got suprised at the idea of pos 5 being strategic. After giving it a minute however, when some higher rated people coached me, they made me pay attention to what enemy heroes have, what allied heroes have and what hole in abilities needs to be filled, as in, do i get a save slot or a damage slot, do i ward outskirts of our map to gank or do i ward the forest to farm. Even remembered my ex-friend say that pos 5 is basically captain, but never saying why. I now know why. They know what the team needs, and can guide them to it. Sorry if I made spelling errors, English isnt my first language.
Between all my friends i am like the most cocky, and i think i like mid the most just because that small insane play that you made on your own is awesome
Hi! I can't be more agreed with you. I used to play dota since I was 13 till nowadays. Now running my own store, realize that the "style of play" could describe the personality of people, lol. In fact, there are some authors that describes different leadership styles. Related to your video its the same. Very nice bro. Regards :)!
Pos 5 = strategic So thays why i feel so comfortable in pos 5! I never though of it conciously as being a strategic position... But I absolutely LOVE strategy and feel at home doing it! Thanks Jenkins :D
This also explains why pos 5 is so hard to get into, and why so many bad pos 5 exist. Its not about knowing your own strength. Its not about knowing the enemy. Its not about predicting what they will do. Its not about team coordination and your willingness to sacrifice yourself for your team. Its about all those things combined!
I think a better word for Empathy is Intuitive or Insightful, in the four position. Hitting the nail better for me as a concept, then again Empathy is a better word as it’s an easier trait to grasp.
I like the video very much man. Your take on Dota is very unique and original videos like this takes time so I would suggest to avoid ''post a video everyday'' thing and keep the quality high. About the roles I actually played all roles for some time to get a little understanding. I can say that I decided my role by ''reverse engineering'. My question was '' What role in my team disturbs me the most when they totally sucks?'' I get it when my mid lose his lane and try to recover, I dont care that much when my supps dont have any idea what they are doing, I mostly care about offlane and carry. So I mostly focused on this two roles, also playing both teaches u what ur opponent wants to do. I finally decided that carry is my role because no matter how much space u create as an offlaner if ur carry sucks and stays in your own jungle getting less effective farm and then of course solo feeds here and there: u will eventually lose.
SEA Players: "I have multiple personalities and confident with all of them"
*proceeds Jakiro carry*
exactly
Every rule that all these guides give does not apply to sea
tru sea player....
have u tried centa mid?
Jakiro carry in the mid while roaming at lvl 3
Very insightful, after a lot of thinking and reflection, I've come to the conclusion that I'm a position 6 - Feeder. Thanks Jenkins!
Nah, it is an offlaner. They surpose to feed, dash into enemies recklessly and wait your team mates save you then you die or when your entire team had no vision over enemies you go charge to the tower hoping they aim you but you struggle to survive and the rest still farm.
can't get through the week without hearing one of Jenkins' random and oddly-specific intros. quality content :D
Lol, I've grown too look forward for them.
This week is a 10/10 goty edition
Content is just a bonus. We're here because Jeck is handsome.
Jenkins always has a fresh take on Dota instead of which hero is "Broken" which is every other video...
hahaha typical "CCnC"
Agreed bro that useless shit just names his every video as 'broken' with absolute no justification for it
Jenkins is not watch mojo tho
@@yashpokarna4177 are you referring to speeed?
@@parham1023 I am
offlane in a nutshell: ‘I help my weak and puny allies when i can’
too bad wk isn't an offlaner that is borderline griefing :(
Carry in a nutshell: "You are in my Presence!!!"
Michael Reynolds never said wk was an offlaner
peasent
@@Lavamites25 I know. His E is a literal "steal farm" button
I play Techies, any role. Reason why: Anger.
I play Pudge any role. Reason why: Glutony.
I play QoP any role. Reaon why: Lust.
pick techies for the win. Techies should get a new bomberman game
I play Alchemist, any role. Reason why: Greed.
the 7 deadly sins.
The moment i realized "That's not Topson" i immediately noticed that the neither the first nor the second one is both ccnc and sumail, nice one
lol yeah i found that too
God level Camouflage
thats not sumail thats yawar
Thats speeed and yawar and sumnus^m(maybe)
I was thinking that Sumail's pic looked too... Mature? Makes sense that it's his older brother.
Hats off Jenkins!
I was expecting more or less meaningless adjectives or ones that apply to every role.
But you found very fitting and most importantly distict character traits for each role.
Pos 1: Calculated (A person that knows what they're trying to do without thinking about it and calculate every movement they made)
Pos 2: Cocky (A person with high confident that can secure kill even by himself alone)
Pos 3: Mischievous (A person that likes to play around and possibly can make enemy triggered, to create space for your teammate)
Pos 4: Empathy (A person that have an ability to understand what their team and enemy thought and knows what exactly they're thinking)
Pos 5: Strategic (A person that knows how to make a plan, knows where to place and dewards, knows when to attack, basically the captain)
Pos 5: Puppy 🐶
hey, thats pretty good!
@@chaz-e So that's why we often see captains in position 5. Back in the day, I thought that position 1 should be the captain, but that's rarely the case in pro Dota.
@@MCSPARTAN501 Negative, as a position 1 myself, 4k, I'm always thinking about a lot of things, like Jenkins said, I'm calculating my moves and etc. So I wouldnt be a good captain, because I already have a lot of thinking and counterthinking to do as well to be able to carry my team.
@@ricardolionheart4920 pos 1 thinks for their own game, not for the team
Offlane is the ultimate test of your manliness and mental strenght
Position 4 is basically the definition of FINE, ILL DO IT MYSELF.
Jenkins coming through with that buzzfeed quiz👌👌
everyone is chill until CM buys a rapier
daka daka matha fucka!
Kalm
there is a guy who baught mkb for cm in my team instead of aghs and i was tilted
@@1337TJ gh in ti9 xd
I built assault cuirass on CM the other day vs. a minus armor lineup and we won :)
I play techies as it is the perfect personification of my ever approaching psychosis.
Cheers to that brother
Same
So as techies players, we shud play offlane now xD and make aura items xDDD
I just like killing them randomly in their jungle with techies xD. I feel so fcking great when I actually get that kind of kill
@@mubnathan5147 The goal of techies is to make the enemy feel as bad in game as you feel in real life.
"Mid is a mechanically difficult role"
Sniper go brrrr
U will be surprised how hard it is to make a good shrapnel in a mobile teamfight or do a 3 shrapnels in a row kill, sometimes simplicity can also be hard
Sniper is one of the most difficult midlaner for me, other midlaner like storm or sf has burst damage and itemization that let you survive easier, but sniper? hell, I don't want this hard hero that has no escape, itemization that must be offensive to deal damage, no reliable burst
i can tell by this comment that u are not high level since on high level sniper needs insane positioning therfor he is one of the hardest to play
Wouldn't even bother with a sniper mid, very few heroes that can't outposition him and squash him with utter ease... shadow blade? So easily counteracted and a waste of a 6th slot
@@KarmaGeeGee and its a glass canon without survivability....
I have to call out Speed, Yawar and Somnus with this one
Is that speed from gameleap?
hahaha, i thought jenkins wrongly put the pic of speeed instead of quinn, but as soon as i see yawar and maybe i was definitely sure he was trolling
oh nice ! I never knew how Speed (nor CCnC) lool like !!
And I found Sumail a little.. different and with a more mature look :D
Cool Cat Jenkins is Speeed bro
Yea lmao I was like: Bitch what?!?!?
The fact there's to no comments about this is absolutely hilarious. I mean most players havent seen Speeed's face and Yawar does kinda look like Sumail being his brother and all but come on how come nobody recognizes Somnus from Topson?
He didn't cover the Coach role. Rude to leave that important position out. I'll cover the base here, good Coaches need hair and confidence. That's all.
Isnt that position 5?
QQQ doesn't agree with you
Kuroky would like to know your location
He talks about pubs though, its rare to see coaches in pubs
@@Gweynth It's a joke, son.
Jenkins graduated from Dota alchemy to Dota Astrology
Don't you love when someone that studied every role laid it out so easily to understand pulls a video out, oh wait they did. Sadly not everyone speaks english otherwise this would have to be in every dota 2 tutorial. GJ my man
Carry = Calculating
Mid = Confident/ Borderline Cocky
I actually think this is the exact reason why Miracle moved to carry position from mid laner. Idk how to explain but if you watch a few of his games as mid laner it becomes pretty clear.
Vie J also why sumail is such a good midlaner
@@fabsfabian6476 agreed
It makes me think of Puppey and Kuroky how they are pos5 with such a massive knowledge base of the game.
@@John-ih7gp that's exactly why they and most captains are pos 5. the role is a little less "hectic" and more tactical
1: Assured (Knows their own abilities and others to accurately decimate the enemy when ready)
2: Competitive (The drive to compete pushes them to excel, winning the game is second to OWNING the enemies)
3: Aggravating (Does the most to tilt opponents, slow their farm, and is the mascot of teamfights)
4: Intuitive (Basically what Jenkins said. Bonus points when you "surprise" the enemies for a gank)
5: Altruistic (Does what is necessary to help their team)
Pretty much true. Explains why my roles are 1 3 5.
>winning the game is second to owning the enemies
It’s not enough that I win, but that you must also lose
Hats off to you Jenkins
My mmr started to skyrocket since i started watching your contents. Thank you, you are my favourite dota 2 content creator.
What mmr are u now
@@NomadUrpagi whoa dude that was 2 years ago, i was 6.1k
@@tlga2645 so ur lowest was 6.1k or skyrocketed one was?
who else immediately go to the comment section after Jenkins says "Topson" but somnus picture came out
same
I also noticed yawar in the picture.
Same
They are honorable mentions somnus and sumail brother
KUNKAA
Yeah, there's no point in being something you're not, just be yourself all the time but make sure to transform who you actually are
yes i agree
Ok so what should a cocky strategic player like me play jakiro mid and them play mid and sup at the same time?
Cero just saying, jakiro mid is legit
Cero you can play both or just pick whicever one you like more I’m a strategic and cocky guy too but I play mid becuase I always premute my teams and don’t talk at all so my strategy would be uselesss in pubs
I am master of all...
I still remember gaining a lot of mmr from your analogy on taking shits in public pools lol
this was my proudest analogy
Do you have a link to that? That sounds hilarious.
@@AbusingMyRights1 Amazing
Game and Psychology
This video gives me an insight how to behave in each role
Easily-understood explanation
When I started playing Dota I started as a mid only player, but after 3 years of playing core and being toxic af I started playing pos 4 and 5. Since I made that change i’ve gained more mmr and im not as toxic as I was as a core player.
well being pos 4 and pos 5 is good, that way u can flame the carry and mid players when your team is losing...
@@jaysonabayan3279 safest role to trashtalk with less chance to be reported
Phunakart This is exactly what I did. Played mid until legend/ancient then switched to pos 4 in divine
@@gamalmohamed3566 Some people like to call pos 4 a "soft mid" role. You basicly do the same as the mid player, you just have less resources and dont farm. You get to do all the fun shit and fight and gank, but you dont have to worry about the ammount of responsibility. Pos 4 is by far the most fun role!
Most of your all comment fit best sea server.
I didnt play dota for 2 years. Now im back, learning the game and watching jenkins videos again. It was the older yt channel before
TY for the content, come to Brazil, big fan of you
Great take Jenkins. I'm personally a pos 4 main and I would agree Empathy is what you need to be most successful. As support, I think myself more as the 'set up' for ganks and engages. I make it my duty to recognize tactical advantages ( cooldowns, vision, map awareness ) and basically "green light" our engages. My team has grown to follow me on these calls. I'd venture to add to your thesis that Supports are the true "shot callers" for fights. A ( Good ) support knows when your team will win any fight and thus, WHEN to engage.
3:50 made me laugh more than it should have
I had to rewatch it a couple of times, thinking maybe he dyed his hair or something. Hahahaha
While I spotted Somnus when he said Topson, I am still wondering. Is that even Ccnc on the left? He looks like Speeed.
he did my boi speeed, yawar, somnus dirty
Yes. that's Topson.
Me too 🤣
And only the avatar can master all five personality types and bring balance to DotA.
Carry
Mid
Offlane
Roamer
Support
Only the Avatar can master all 5 roles
But when the world needed him the most
He disappeared
what role should i play if my personality is 'depressed'
Techies, just suicide into the enemies
Techies is the hero to spread your depression
Enigma, obviously. Nothingness all around. Together with some Cure music 🎶
Undying. Just listen to the things he says
Play the role of the patient in a therapy office
Validation appreciated. I have been playing only pos 4 and 5 for the last 3-4 years, but moved to pos 4 exclusively like 6 months ago. My mmr went up a lot, but then recently crashed atfter the all pick changes. I’ve been crawling my way back up however...
Anyway, empathetic has always been the word I would use to describe myself. My sister who is into spiritual things calls me an “empath” so good to know i’m on the right path.
I started playing Support just because the guy who introduced me to Dota is a core player, so I always played support.
But now, I play support just because it is somewhat of a laid-back role, where you don't have to constantly think about ways of out-farming your opponents.
(I'm hella lazy)
Yeah but like jenkins said, since don’t have to worry about the farming department, your thought process will be elsewhere. You gotta look at the whole picture and set up situations where you can close out the game in your favour. It is definitely not laid back lol, not in my experience anyways. There’s a reason why In esports the pos 5 is usually the captain of the team
@@familyfriendlycontent.jayp1944 while playing carry I stress about myself not getting enough last hits, or wasting time not farming... and it's never the case with playing support, where you just have to push free lanes, ward and stack if possible. it's okay if the support isn't farmed, but never okay if the carry isn't. Getting what I mean?
I'm 2k MMR, so probably I'm still shit, so nvm, just trying to get my point across
Sahil Mambilly dw I’m in the shit tier as well but that’s okay, everyone was in the lower brackets at some stage. As a support your impact is super important. From the start of the game to 20 minutes every second is needed. Laning stage is everything. Trading with the carry, buying regen, rushing tranquils and stick. Getting level 6 before 12 minutes but also giving your safe lane carry as much solo experience as possible. Hitting level 6 you go and smoke with your other support and or offlane. And that’s just the surface, I don’t even have a full grasp on that obviously, and then warding is a whole other ball game. Supporting isn’t easier then carrying, people are just focusing on the farming aspect too much. Farm won’t do anything if the right team fights arent made, or the right objectives are pushed.
@Nmitri Mendel yeah, dude, playing core is hella hard for me now. I made a new account just so I can start fresh as a carry, but the experience was absolutely garbage, it took me 18mins for one normal match!
Literally the same thing for me, word to word
this is not just an overview it's a whole damn research, man! a closer and deeper look at dota. good job!
i cracked when u called iceiceice's playstyle crazy psychopath 😂😂
it is tho,,
Jenkins the GOAT, writes a TLDR for a video that hasnt even come out yet
I usually play sup 4 or 5.
Sup 4 is my favorite because i can be more aggressive and playmaker, while not getting full responsability for the wards (because i'm still learning how to position them properly)
Also, i love your videos Jenkins, but does someome have another youtuber that could help me play dota a little better? I wish you could post everyday, because, from all the content creators i found, you're the one that i learn the most.
Datohleong has the best specific hero guides IMO
Gameleap is great for understanding macro concepts
I’d recommend Dota d Bowie, he’s great at analysing the latest patches and explaining simply why several different esports players performed the way they did
Try BSJ. Helped me a lot
I find this to be so true even before this video. I really enjoy helping people, usually putting others before myself IRL. And I realized that I enjoy playing supportive roles more. In every game I play, i enjoy more playing the support role. Be it a healer, a tank, or a utility.
I think "Intuitive" is what he's probably trying to say what trait a Pos4 should have. But empathetic also works so whatever
I think the word he meant was more like "predictive".
Ermm intuitive? Im an infj or infp. It that mean im best at offlane?
@@rickyh695 The I in your myers Briggs Zodiac sign, is introverted, not intuitive
I play almost exclusively pos 4 Pudge, I buy some utility items, a metric shitton of wards and some aura items. I do this because I love being the nightmare of the map and making the enemy team paranoid all the time and punish them, when they are not on the edge the entire time. I also like supporting my team with wards, but wards also increase my ability to terrorise the enemy team even more. My end goal is to either make them too terrified to leave the base, or make them focus me first in every teamfight out of fear and PTSD.
Same to me brother, i dont think "empathetic" is the right word, i think "intuitive" or "opportunists" might be better because we always look for the best opportunity to get kills quick and get out. I play pos 4 pudge and very rarely farm, from start to finish I always rotate all lanes looking for opportunities to kill anyone at all times
@@Andy-qd3lu Yes, but also I can sometimes stay visible on one lane to force rotations, or discourage harrasment. I usually do this on mid, if my midder loses badly.
@@Andy-qd3lu as a pudge player I'm agreed with opportunist traits, always hook when it possible to kill (no escape item/skill/cd on tp). Always pressure their enemy support to buy sents / tp
Great video Jenkins, but you forgot one; position 6 megacuck ward placer, human courier, assistant to the regional carry
I was declared “mentally unstable” and “a danger to society” by the Supreme Court..... so I think offline might suit me.
damn, you sound like a timber player already
How many years you paying?
This topic is a very interesting one, especially when one starts thinking on specific playstyles on each role. I played a lot of Offlane, and the mischief is vastly diferent when you play Batrider and when you play Tidehunter; I specifically remember a Batrider game i had, where i was thinking to myself "I don't care if its going to get me killed, im gonna do everything in my power to make the enemy Invoker miserable".
Also wonder how these work with "off-meta" playstyles.
Great video, as always!
It's all about being an asshole to the enemy team basically. Which is why I always see myself playing offlane in most of my games.
Runescape and dota 2 are my gaming passions
Both games are dopamine. Especially runescape never gets old
I think discernment is better than empathy, but that’s just semantics. Great video!
These videos are actual gold lmao.
I play support because:
1. I love seeing my mates be successful.
2. I don't like to see my friends getting hurt.
3. I can do much with minimal resources.
I'm amazed on how it reflects on how I do in real life. I didn't really realize it until I saw this video. Great concept Jenkins.
at the start of the video eminem felt like he found himself
As a sea position 5 player this is really true. All you need is keep saying the strat needed to win the game (item choosing, smoke, ward)
Amazing video Jenkins! Thanks for ur help, I learnt a lot and I'm gonna try to play POS 5 instead of Carry
i have been waiting for something like this for a long time.
I love you Jenkins thanks for reading will edit after watching.
I just like going pos4 because then I can be an asshole to the whole enemy team, I know that is a weird one, but picking offlane and having to farm and shit is annoying, I just want to get to the good stuff quicker.
ya as an ex pos 4 player i can agree i love the role because im impatient and ALWAYS looking for a kill. i think SADISTIC might be the trait for this role. just look at every pos 4 player in the eyes and tell me they arent into fisting porn
This explains really well why Purge plays so much better support than other lanes. It's pretty clear that he's a natural strategist
Is that speed lmaoo
Yeh bro it’s his second channel
Intros are getting better and better!
I used to be a mid player when I started playing Dota2 again in December. As time was passing, I changed into a carry player, until I met my current boyfriend who was a competing pos4 player. He asked me to try that role and I absolutely fell in love with being pos4 next to him. And I agree with what you said about pos4 mentality and now I fully understand why I didn't succeed as a mid or carry player. But here is my point: I COULD play with no communication, but my teammates are barely doing anything when I'm trying to set up a gank or when our lane gets ganked. Because of our similar playstyles and how we adapted to each other with my bf, we end up sending the carry to the jungle, where they disappear and reappear with many items. And we end up losing the game because our teammates weren't aware of our lane or we cant set up a gank on the carry. My other issue is that I must play both pos4-5 roles constantly. And by this, I mean that most pos5 players rush for an item (agha, most of the time) and forget wards an the other things that they must do. So I end up doing both roles... story of my life.
painfully recognizable
As a pos 3 and 4 player, this is spot on. But I wouldn’t call the pos 4 trait empathy, but more being observant. You don’t empathize with your teammates or the enemy, but you read them. You see the pattern over multiple games which hero is doing what a what time and act accordingly.
Can you please make a video suggesting where newer players should start. I started with bots and now i play mostly turbo with friends. What should people switching from all pick or turbo to ranked should know?
You should definitely know what each role requires (which heroes are better suited to which lanes, hero counters, etc) and stick to it especially when you're first starting out (if you havent already done so).
@@rui5038 don't forget about item progression, the essential part that often forgotten
@@SarjanaMagicChess agreed! But I remember when I started I just followed the item guides until I got a better feel for the game! I'm sure if hes playing with his friends his friends will tell him which situational items to go for (hopefully) but very good point 😊
@@rui5038 i just hate midlaner/carry who thinks bkb/aeon isn't important item. These items imo drastically increasing survivability if they got ganked/bursted in teamfight
@@SarjanaMagicChess definitely LOL imagine a PA without a Bkb? That would be a joke HAHAH
Jenkins should be THE dota 2 Teacher/Mentor!
He goes so in depth, not into the mechanics so people can copy-rinse-and-repeate (like league whereyoujustcopyproplayerstotheT)
But he goes into depth on you, the player!
Like a proper mentor should!
This video was very enjoyable. AI can't do this, philosophizing.
I was playing position 1 many years ago, then I went for support roles because even tho I was not that bad carry, I felt like it's better for me to play supportive dota for all my teammates than farm whole game and let the team rely on me. Playing support is in my opinion much more important than a carry roles, because the game is basically on you till something like 30 minute (depends on a carry hero). Then from position 4, I started playing offlane and in this position I realized that you can actually carry the game by your own because you get farm and if you have a strong lane and good potential, you have also kills. And basically as an offlaner nothing makes me more happy than when all their team has to rotate you to help their carry and in some cases when you play something like timber, they are not even able to kill you or it's not a good deal for them, because when they rotate you and you can die, it doesnt matter. You create ton of space for midlane and safelane. So from my experience, I can easily say that I can't be a good carry or mid anymore because I have always that feeling "oh shit, wards are on stock", "I have to buy dust, just in case. Or smoke, we can smoke and kill someone" or "tome is up". So even tho I tried to play carry again, I could not think about these things, because usually my supports didn't give a shit about support items. :D
1:24 THIS!!
Right Here! Is why i find dota to be the better game then league!
And why i love dota so much, even though i also hste it do much.
I climbed up from 3k to 4.7k using invoker only and hell yeah I’m a very cocky person. Like your videos, keep it up.
So it was you who took my items on Runescape?
one of your better videos yet breh... keep up the good work!
Pos1: Iron Man
Pos2: Thor
Pos3: Hulk
Pos4: Hawkeye
Pos5: Cap
That's is acctully really good.
Pos 1 would be Thor (he's like the strongest one) and pos 2 would be Ironman (he's cocky and all)
Pretty useful insights for new and veteran players. Hope this gets a lot of views and exposure
I play Dark Willow in any role except midlane. Why? Because I'm an asshole.
I'm basically the opposite...I take any other hero midlane except the midlane heroes...why? Guess I was just bored
Genuinely chuckled at the mid roll call pictures
hmm ccnc looks like he makes daily guides, sumail looks a bit too old and did topson get surgery with all that ti money?
lol the ccnc guy literally makes daily videos
@@keerthivasank9563 that was the joke
You can do anything when u r rich
I love this so bad, really. Love. This. It's just that I happened to come to that kind of "conclusion", too, BUT when another people (you) with their own perspective presented it that way,... It just felt good, so good. Godspeed, Jenkins, bro. Keep it up! :D
_my friends show this video to me_
me : wait, so my personality doesn't fit any roles in dota?
my friends : **pull out handgun** always has been..
That is the greatest intro yet
Did you just say you play runescape?????!
dude this video was soooo goood, and as a pos1 player i can confirm that while i was stuck at 3k mmr at mid, i climbed to 4.2k within 6 months of shifting to pos1 ....
this personality assesment is actually pretty accurate when i compare what u described, to my friends and myself who play those roles ...
Sadly all of these things are useless in low MMR player especially in SEA they just don't care abt role :")
Are you describing yourself?
@@dragonsforbreakfast3572 pub mentality "everyone sucks but me"
Andrew (not jenkins), get a grip, you suck.
@@dragonsforbreakfast3572 hahahaha nope
I'll play any role that my team assign me
@@DuckyVanya hahahaha
I play hard support
I just love to be the pillar upon which my teammates and carries stand, i may go unnoticed at times but they'll never want for vision, or heals, or auras, or stuns. I will always be there to lend the helping hand.
(tbh just satisfying being the guy that helps us all coordinate and move forward in the game and i feel like im pretty good at it.
Topson XD
Dude, I love ur content, your channel it's probably the last of my love for dota, I'm so frustrated about my rank, the game it's so hard im tired of try my best and keep not progressing. (obviously I don't speak English so well xd)
dont queue rank when you feel frustrated. go play unrank, and only go rank if you feel like you are ready to enjoy a good game of dota (do not consciously keep thinking about winning) just focus on the game. stop queueing rank when you have 2 consecutive losses
3:52 Tops0n. XD thats funny...
Raj Neo r/whoosh
Raj Neo u dont get the joke lol ahha stupid
XD this gettin me even harder
@@patzizan_1009 sad enough you didnt notice thats not ccnc and sumail pictures too... how funny
This video is top tier meme, but also frankly one of the most mind opening videos for me. Thanks!
I play supportive roles because nobody wants to play them, so by supporting the hell of my team and meancing the enemy team.
I also enjoy ganking since i like to kill the enemies in few seconds.
Most insane dota player ever
@@ireallycant4416 :)
Of Robert McNamara's 11 lessons, empathizing with your enemy is # 2. Great video, Jenks
I have traits of all of these but I am highly empathetic naturally and have naturally landed into the 4 position. I think empathy is the correct way of putting it because that is where you get a 6th sense for these kinds of things.
Empathy is putting yourself in another persons shoes. If you regularly think, "if I was him this is what I would do..." and make moves based on that then you might be a pos4. The fact a lot of 4s have skill shots isn't an accident either, it uses the same thought process, "he knows I have a hook so he's going to..."
Played pos 5 for 500 matches now, and got suprised at the idea of pos 5 being strategic. After giving it a minute however, when some higher rated people coached me, they made me pay attention to what enemy heroes have, what allied heroes have and what hole in abilities needs to be filled, as in, do i get a save slot or a damage slot, do i ward outskirts of our map to gank or do i ward the forest to farm. Even remembered my ex-friend say that pos 5 is basically captain, but never saying why.
I now know why. They know what the team needs, and can guide them to it.
Sorry if I made spelling errors, English isnt my first language.
Thats a good video, good job! I think very useful for experienced players that just dont seem to have any more progress in gameplay.
This is a good video. Imo the #1 cause for people losing mmr in dota is they play multiple roles for no reason
Between all my friends i am like the most cocky, and i think i like mid the most just because that small insane play that you made on your own is awesome
This was great, bro. Thank you!
Hi! I can't be more agreed with you. I used to play dota since I was 13 till nowadays. Now running my own store, realize that the "style of play" could describe the personality of people, lol. In fact, there are some authors that describes different leadership styles. Related to your video its the same. Very nice bro. Regards :)!
Pos 5 = strategic
So thays why i feel so comfortable in pos 5!
I never though of it conciously as being a strategic position...
But I absolutely LOVE strategy and feel at home doing it!
Thanks Jenkins :D
This also explains why pos 5 is so hard to get into, and why so many bad pos 5 exist.
Its not about knowing your own strength. Its not about knowing the enemy. Its not about predicting what they will do. Its not about team coordination and your willingness to sacrifice yourself for your team.
Its about all those things combined!
God tier video Jenkins, love it bro! 9:50 is so true it's hilarious.
My offlane in a nutshell: I love being hit by the enemy while my puny friends hit them back. Essentially, meatshield.
i exclusively play intellect offlaners like puck and WR. so fucking annoying and hard to kill but can kill you if you over step.
That good view perspective of dota 2 content, make more like that 👌🏻
I think a better word for Empathy is Intuitive or Insightful, in the four position. Hitting the nail better for me as a concept, then again Empathy is a better word as it’s an easier trait to grasp.
I like the video very much man. Your take on Dota is very unique and original videos like this takes time so I would suggest to avoid ''post a video everyday'' thing and keep the quality high.
About the roles I actually played all roles for some time to get a little understanding. I can say that I decided my role by ''reverse engineering'. My question was '' What role in my team disturbs me the most when they totally sucks?'' I get it when my mid lose his lane and try to recover, I dont care that much when my supps dont have any idea what they are doing, I mostly care about offlane and carry. So I mostly focused on this two roles, also playing both teaches u what ur opponent wants to do. I finally decided that carry is my role because no matter how much space u create as an offlaner if ur carry sucks and stays in your own jungle getting less effective farm and then of course solo feeds here and there: u will eventually lose.
Genuinely appreciate your effort, and data. I do like this analysis you gave us. Thanks m8.
i've been playing pos 5/4 ever since I started because I figured I was very good at forgetting about caring for myself.