EDITING CREDITS BELOW: Was a fun one to write because I decided to really look at it while it transpired, rather than just completely being the retrospective "wise guy", definitely gave me a lot more to reflect on when it was finally over. Hope you enjoy! If some of the Tati content footage is a bit low quality, that's because she removed the video while we were still editing. CHECK OUT THE EDITORS: - Sir Cheeseknight: th-cam.com/channels/6ThPBLQ6dfeRLkDskw62uQ.html - CynicSnacks: th-cam.com/channels/FKIgvMmcJtxTS9pdpCFwfg.html - Corticera: twitter.com/Corticera_ - Barknoorz: th-cam.com/users/BarknoorZ - Mullenax: th-cam.com/users/MrFluffySavage - Biodegradable: twitter.com/BiodeEditable Post-Editing: twitter.com/MullenaxYT Check out Noda (@nodanah): twitter.com/nodanah?s=09 - Special thanks to my Patrons: a vdl, Low60, Mac Maunder, Jade Rose, ColossalKiwi, Ash Black, Darren (Barcrest Plays), Light, Marc, RistrettoEva, WilliamThatch, Adam VIllareal, Ashley Butts, Adam Goetz, Bryan Langley, cloudfruit, Connor, Divinireigns, Miru Kado, Neo, Brandon, Emily Yoder, Megan McCallion, Mikey K, Miru Kado, Neo, Nipple Man, Ristretto Eva, Michael, Shane Reese, Mama Fujo, Yuliya Terekh, Nassim Jahnke, Spoonie The Rogue, Natasha Gray, Bruhreallysnapped, Darren Barcrest Plays, Ellie, Nassim Jahnke, Spoonie the Rogue 10$+ Patrons: Adam Goetz, Ashley Butts, Divinereigns, Elizabeth Looby, orkfighta, somehulabaloo, The Derbinator, William Thatch, Ursula Holm, Drake Dragsaw, Eduardo Pedrero, nello, unknown_hat, Ray Kidder, Irene Garcia, Attila Bakk, Al Graham, CaptainJ, caitlin britton, Dualangel1, nella, Jessica Thomas, Harle Quin, Marie_Nanamari-P, The Face of Team Rocket, Ella Daniels Special Thanks to My 50 Dollar Patreons: somehulabaloo Very special thanks to my 100 dollar Patreons: Brandon, Evening Steel Twitter: twitter.com/TheRightOpinion Facebook: facebook.com/TheRightOpinionOfficial/ Discord: discord.gg/SsgNxWU References: docs.google.com/document/d/18crK6AO_FcmYHEvSyLBNFrHswXmviYdvqrdqfq3izyU/edit?usp=sharing
Notification Squad ! I'm so glad you covered this topic , since your coverage is always stellar , and it definitely helps to see this mess more clearly.
Thank you for being one of the VERY few channels on TH-cam that attempts to find the objective truth among the drama. Those who crave honesty salute you.
Your first mistake was thinking the beauty community was here to empower people. It’s full of the most petty, greedy, narcissistic people on this platform.
Because he has had similar accusations And accomplishments in the same industry is considered an expert. In James wouldnt have survived the world Jeffrey did... times are diffrent.
Essy Chilcutte no James wouldn’t have survived the scandals and allegations Jeffree did. But Jeffree is teflon and gets away with hundreds of scandals that any one of would’ve “cancelled” anyone else.
I probably won’t see your reply. Let’s not include bipolar people in the mix. I have bipolar disorder and I am a good person, I did not choose to have it. Stop using my disease which I did not choose as an adjective.
I literally have been avoiding this subject for the past week because I'm over it but when I saw it was tro....I paused this shit- went to Walgreens- bought some haagen dazs almond bars and proceeded to sit my happy ass down for 48 mins
Oh I actually find him (superficially seen) quite pretty, but he's got such an ugly personality, that I'm simply confused people are still feeling themselves drawn to him. He kinda embodied the definition of the devil doesn't he? Deceiving from the outside, but cunning and a destructive force inside 😬
Chaz Reynolds you know writing an incredibly long paragraph in which you repeat the same things and insult people doesn’t make you sound smart anyone can do it SIDE-NOTE: This isnt contradictory its a joke
She was being SO manipulative in her video. “I helped you stoke your career, how dare you promote a rival business! Don’t you remember how much I did to help you?” Ugh.
i think the issue is that he said no to her promotions beacuse his fan base are kids yet when the same product but a different company did their promotions seems kinda two face and stabbing someone in the back
She ACTUALLY thought him promoting a different brand was worse than the sexual assault since she sat on the "SA" allegations and only brought it up after he promoted a different brand.
@@ezalator9653 she called out james on his behavior personally, she wanted him to do better cause they were friends, why would her make a video about his behavior instead of talking to him personally? i mean, when he promoted her brand's competitor, i think she didn't see no friendship place to talk in anymore, thats why she made a video
Tati was full of it. She’s so fake. And so is Jeffree. They’re too old and need to retire anyways. Jeffree is a white privileged bigot. James was so young. And these “veterans” in the game just manipulated him with this expose culture.
I'm not sure expecting someone you've helped to not sign up for a direct competitor is asking for something in return. At least not without giving you a heads up. 🤷🏾♂️
Vim de Zim it’s asking for loyalty, which should really be a given. But considering it wasn’t even the same product I think it was an over exaggeration on her part.
@@animesnow6649 they're both vitamin companies, but according to Tati, James didn't want to advertise hers because of his audience. apparently when they're in gummy form it's ok?
alyssa true they are both vitamin companies but James was advertising the sleep aid vitamins not the hair, skin and nails, which is Tati’s direct competitor. And James has advertised, more like talked about it, before on his channel.
@@animesnow6649 It's still pretty scummy to say "hey I know my audience and advertising vitamins isn't good" and go around to advertise sleep gummies, which is arguably worse than tati's hair shit. sugar bear hair is still a huge competitor for tati's brand, regardless of the product mentioned. also, as far as I can tell, he's never mentioned tati's products anywhere publically. I'm open to any proof otherwise.
I think the bigger issue (now that the predator allegations are debunked), is why was predatory behaviour ok until someone else's vitamins were promoted? Edited in May 2021: I will be the first to admit this has aged badly, but whether he is a predator or not (and this week at least, it appears he is), the point still stands that really she was more upset that he promoted a rival product than the things she tried to nail him (to the cross) for at the time.
damn i hadn’t thought of it that way but you’re totally right. especially with “you were supposed to have sex with the waiter, not marry him” or whatever she texted him
@@skyesamels3233 ultimately she knew people would just take her word at face value instead of scrutinizing the truth or even the motive behind it. She essentially pretended to be outing a criminal for the good of society when really she was just upset he promoted someone else's product.
THIS IS THE COMMENT IVE BEEN LOOKING FOR! How was it okay when apparently people were telling tati all these horrible things james was doing that she believed but the vitamin thing was the ”breaking point”??? not the predator alligations? wtf
Jeffree Star's 'apology' sound creepily like he is gearing up for a second attack on James Charles somewhere down the line, especially in light of the met gala texts
On imallex there is a video of jeffree groping a straight man and he’s deleted thousands of tweets. He’s a snake who has no loyalties other than himself
I think james is going to get involved in another scandal and he's going to be like "SEE, I told you he was bad" without saying anything really, just like the laura lee, manny mua situation, they went down because of themselves but somehow it was a win by jeffree
@@bengaltiger8790 couple months ago Shane Dawson posted on Twitter about this old tea and said James Charles deserved a slice of "humble pie the size of the f***ing Empire State Building." Following that post people brought up old content of Shane that were extremely racist and inappropriate involving children. As Shane was spiraling, Tati posted a video claiming that Shane and Jeffree basically "tricked" her into hating James and pushed her to create her Bye Sister video. Tati's video was not well received considering she tried to completely rid herself of any guilt for her own actions, but it did bring up interesting rumors of potential legal actions against Shane and Jeffree....... basically, this old tea became a whole new tea party lol. TLRD here's Tati's recent video: th-cam.com/video/1aIYkgTcHBw/w-d-xo.html
@@HailG3 I feel like it's innocence speaking. Everyone is kind of horrible, but if they are upfront with it I'm fine with it. I just don't mind flawed youtubers over like the Gabby Hanas of youtube who will straight out lie to portray themselves like the one in the right all the time. I caught on fairly quickly that Jeffree Star wasn't a person to be taken seriously even before the time he was surprised he got demonetized for smoking weed at the beginning of a makeup tutorial.
@@lika8599 In slight defense of Bob here it is easy for the average male to have an irrational anger towards men in the makeup community. They make loads of money for breathing oxygen and a skill set which is as useless as a chocolate teapot In the grand scheme of life
Is it possible that shane actually has footage of him and jeffree making tati posting bye sister, especially as he did not really cover the drama on his series
I don't get it? Can someone explain? Who is Shane Dawson? Why is he a part of this? As a person outside of social media, cause I hate that place even if I require for the modern day.
@@voidcastfam Shane Dawson is an OG TH-camr who has gotten involved with other creators, including the Make Up creators, through his multiple docu-series. I think he started with graveyardgirl, but essentially he started making these series delving into the creators personally, for reasons of redeeming/helping them. He made one eventually on Jeffree Star specifically, and his "dark past". Afterwards, they started working together a lot, and Shane was brought into that "community". Shane then started producing an incredibly popular series, detailing the "behind the scenes" of the Make up community and whatnot, but it very heavily featured the production of the eyeshadow palette and merch line that he and Jeffree Star made together. And he ended up also being involved in this drama, as it happened when he was most involved with Jeffree Star and whomever else.
How about from now on we stop with this "trust me I have evidence" instead of actually showing the evidence? Especially in accusations of sexual assault
"trust me I have evidence" doesn't make you credible, "here's the evidence" does, "trust me I have evidence" isn't evidence it's a request for blind faith and trust
Most of what James was accused of was *predatory behavior* not sexual assault. That can usually be proven with texts, DMs, etc. What kind of evidence do you want for sexual assault? If someone didn't film and post their own rape then we assume they're lying? There's a reason that experts say allegations of sexual assault should be believed when someone comes forward. People very rarely lie about it and far more often the perpetrators get away with it, most are never even reported because victims know or are justifiably scared they won't be believed, and it's difficult to prove except in cases when it was filmed or the person was biologically male and semen was involved and they didn't use a condom and the victim was brave enough to subject themselves to more trauma by getting a rape exam. _Courts_ should presume people are innocent until proven guilty. The general public should not demand proof from sexual assault victims.
I kind of agree but a lot of times sexual assault or harassment is a hard thing to have evidence for. Not saying he did or didn't do anything I just mean in general.
If its to much to ask, could you please do an episode on MatPat of Game Theory? I know you likely get a ton of requests whenever an incident breaks out and/or aren't really sure when is a good time to do such an episode. But honestly I find GT and all of the controversies, events, and backlash to be incredibly fascinating. Not just on a clickbaity "who IS MatPat" but also as a sort of reflection of TH-cam itself if that makes sense.
@@Nightman221k It's weird to put into words for me and something I think you should discover yourself by comparing and contrasting his pre-fnaf videos with his most recent ones. But I think the best explanation that I can offer at the moment us that he has become shockingly adept at gaming TH-cam.
I like how something that clearly should've been a private discussion was made into TH-cam videos by an adult. Jesus Christ the way TH-cam has gotten is toxic and pathetic.
Yet here you all are watching it and laughing. This is why they do it, and you're just feeding into the reasons. You might complain about them doing this, but if you really hated it, you wouldn't watch 🤷
Bruh, your theory about Shane Dawson orchastrating it all just to expose the mob mentatility or beauty community would be so epic especially since James Charles wanted to do a expose on the beauty community a couple of months ago.
@@invertedv12powerhouse77 not only will people get angry at everyone involved for faking the drama, the next time someone is called out for doing something shady, everyone will just pass it off as "another test" or "expose project" Therefore making it easier for those type of people to get away with whatever they're doing
@@doll3734 Unlikely it was all just a social experiment, millions of dollars in branding were on the line here. This is an extreme gamble if this were the case
So, this video is obviously outdated, and while you don't want to dwell on the same topic, I'm curious to see what your opinion is today since new claims and accusations have been made.
Please do not be offended, but I have yet to see any evidence of his wrongdoing. The one young man exposed the nudes, yet blacked out the conversation and actual evidence that James knew he was underaged and still pursued him. He did not provide one shred of evidence, and actually concealed what would prove his guilt. I know this is not a popular opinion, but I don't believe any of the "victims" are actually victims, because they provided zero evidence. As a matter of fact, they removed their videos probably because of legal consequences. I find James' recollection of events to be more accurate and consistent rather than Isayah. Again, he blacked out the very evidence that would corroborated his testimony, and instead exposed James nudes. I actually find this video to have aged well; as he was accused before without evidence and again, without evidence.
@@panonymousbloom5405 The age was said to be changed several times! However, I do agree with you that he should always check identification from now on! It's just not something I would have ever thought to do especially if someone said they were a certain age and social media confirmed this.
@@charissa6648 It's not something we thought we had to do even before social media: but faking age to get into bars has been a thing for decades. With social media it's just another thing people need to be responsible around. Not flirting or hooking up with underage people doesn't seem too hard for many people, especially if you avoid social media altogether.
The editing in this video is astonishing. The editors did a truly amazing job, the presentation and the visuals that go along with it is perhaps the best I've ever seen. Good job !!
Pretty girls are usually mean girls, I think thats the only thing to take away from this mess. I wouldnt take any of them to be my friend, if theres any other people available for that job. If not, maybe Im ok with just a cat. Less drama, less nails. Go figure.
@@janemiettinen5176 The idea that good looking people are meaner is mostly a statistical illusion called Berkson's Paradox. This woman is mainly talking about books and movies, but does bring it into good looks vs niceness th-cam.com/video/FUD8h9JpEVQ/w-d-xo.html
@@PintoRagazzo Apparently it comes from an interview with Whitney Houston, who was accused of spending so much money on drugs, and asked to comment she said "I wanna see the receipts". And so it became slang for "show me proof"
TRO: "His personality, although not my cup of tea: no pun intended..." Me "How is that a pun?" My brain 2 minutes later: "...oh! personali-tea!" Me: "Good job brain!"
The Paul brothers just can't go a month without doing stupid shit. While one is quiet, the other one is brewing something idiotic to do/say. At this point I think they might be doing this to bring attention to their channels
Omg same. I wad just listening to the video while cooking and literally stopped in my tracks when I recognized the music. Raised my appreciation for this video and channel overall by quite a lot lol
at least james had receipts and could defend himself to an extent. tati left us with a 'i stand by what i said', 'do not twist my words into something they're not - hear my message'. like, come on. you started this feud and expressed yourself publically, FINISH IT publically. tati did it publically because she claims she wanted james to really hear what she's trying to say. well if you loved james as much as you say you did, you wouldn't have done that considering how large the impact would be on him, since you're so close, just fking talk to him. jesus. idek wtf jeffree was doing.
I can understand her actions to an extent. The fact he did what he did with the competitor clearly shows that he does not have his head on straight, does not value what she had done for them and to me, would have signified a complete lack of care for the friendship. If it were me in Tatis position, I would not have felt that direct connection with him would have done anything. I guess that's just a difference in personalities. I also really don't think this was expected by her. Logically, it wouldn't be to most people - a huge channel like JC dwarfed her own sub count, and we are all aware that he has what most refer to as "rabid" fans. We've all seen massive creators fan bases attack 'haters' and what have you.
@@akriandurin151 yeah if you have a problem with someone you confront them. Especially if you are celebrity just broadcasting accusations. It's not about personality difference, if you had a problem with someone and felt like they were just going to shut you down, either confront then expose or move on. Anything else is childish
Was looking for a comment talking about the OST. It’s fire and works so surprisingly well with the video. Who knew battle shounen soundtrack in an anime about young boys fighting some random gay clown works so well in a video about the beauty community.
@@Glass_Caskets Ironic, given that the only woman in this situation - Tati - is and has been the most mature person in the beauty community and consistently stayed out of drama. Unlike the two males also involved.
@@GLamoRousCooKie Hunny, Tati started this whole drama and overexaggerated this situation so she seemed like the victim. Proof shows that she was never backstabbed by James and has an ego the size of Jeffree Star. Just because someone is quiet doesn't mean they're innocent, Narcissistic and abusive people often never show their true colors to the mass public.
@@GLamoRousCooKie tati regularly gets into drama, though. She went after Kiki Chanel nearly identically to how she went after James Charles. Kiki was smeared, and Emily Noel was also made to look like she was harming Tati. That was just last year. Kiki, also around James Charles's age, still gets harrassment now. It was almost like a practice run.
Just look at the bastards. Jeffree looks like an alien, James is impulsive to the point of almost being classified as an explosive device and Tati is an adult yet so naive in some situations one could believe she was born 35 years old. Frankly I hope they all lose in the end.
Many in the beauty community are also in the cosplay community, thus in the anime community as well. The zoldyck theme matches all drama channels though :p
Im actually really confused about this comment. Seems like a lot of people understand it but I just don't. I get its a joke but its over my head. I mean it took me way to long to understand the "why is six afraid of seven joke" so for my own sanity, please can someone explain this comment to me?
@@Ech0XI James Charles is gay. The narrator's name is also James and he also happens to be gay. There were a bunch of comments saying that the narrator is their favourite gay James. I think you can figure out the rest
I have come to understand a thing about cancellation. Someone is "cancelled" when they do something their own audience is not prepared to accept. This might be something that is specific to the audience (like The Chicks coming out against the war in Iraq pissing off the conservative element of their fanbase, or Creepshow Art calling people slurs on lolcow after marketing herself as a moral authority on things like slurs) or it could be something that is widely accepted as being wrong (like being a nonce). Milo Yiannopolis whined for years about being cancelled by the left while being funded and supported and published by the right. The second his right wing fanbase learned he'd said something that wasn't acceptable to them either, he was cancelled - fired, dropped by his publisher, denounced by his friends and yeeted into obscurity for the next three years. Most of Jeffree Star's audience know that he's a trash fire who feeds on drama and then claims to hate it as soon as it backfires on him, that he has no principles and no loyalty. They are there to watch the trainwreck, or they like the aesthetic and they don't care. Those who might have rejected him on moral grounds left long before the Bye Sister debacle. At this point he would have to do something truly universally abhorrent, probably a literal serious crime for that audience to be pissed enough to leave
@@Mr.Tw1sty racism, manipulation, lies, while being a pretty big backstaber, only having relationships while he can use people, flip flops on his opinions acording to how much he can gain
Is anyone else annoyed by the way James Charles’s mouth moves? It’s weird, but I can’t figure out what makes it weird...... Like...the opposite of Botox 🤨
Jeffree too...he’s always licking his lips while talking, and it’s like he’s afraid to close his jaw. Maybe he doesn’t wanna clench it because it’ll look masculine? Still annoying.
Omg thank you for this story. This is EXACTLY how I feel. I am so surprised that the beauty community has forgiven Jeffree Star for this behavior. Now that the new Shane Dawson's series has come out, I would like to hear and watch your input on how the showcasing of their relationship has affected this drama, and what is Jeffree's Star's bigger story. The brilliant series has, half heartedly, showcased Jeffree's great qualities that I can admire, but that behavior still leaves a bad taste in my mouth. What does this say about the community? Are we being naive to trust Jeffree and James in that fact to leave this crazy drama alone? Shane's series hasn't been fully released by the time I write this, and hasn't made any suggestions about the drama yet, so I am curious what they say. Anyway, thanks again.
Exactly!!!!! I completely agree. Even the way he behaves in Shane’s series really doesn’t sit well with me. And now with the way he speaks in the video where he explains him and Nate’s breakup. Just so narcissistic and “me me me! im crying! Im in a dark place! Sry”
K. Flip yeah well I never understood how his first series on Jeffree star suddenly made everyone forgive and love him...just bc he said he’d cut himself before. Sad, but that doesn’t excuse his actions he KEEP doing to this day.
If james charles came to your house with ben shapiro in blackface, the heteros would be more concerned with ben shapiro's safety LMAO NO YOU DIDNT LOLOLOLO
Lethal fire62 lgbtq is not a literal organization... do you think there's an lgbtq email list where the leader sends out meeting times like how can "lgbtq" be associated with a terrorist organization LOL
“To sleep with him” For anyone who doesn’t know... James, at least up until that point... publicly said he was a virgin, at least w intercourse. Which is what made this all weirder and why everyone was talking about “we made out for about two hours” lol as if it’s high school. Idk I just think it adds an interesting twist.
It was really sad when James said "Bye, sister." in his video explaining his side. They were bullying him left and right. John Swan was really cool exposing those fake screenshots. great job as always tro ^.^ more power to you and your editors!
Yeah he really fooled TRO tbh if you look at his response video again. All he does is shift the blame. It honestly does not address most of the allegations Tati made against him.
"You, a 19 year old, need to be locked up in prison even tho I have no evidence of you having broken the law, but I, an Adult who is over 30, don't hate you at all." seriously though wtf
Bro how are you seriously going to let a "RAPIST" and danger to society who deserves to serve many years in prison off the hook? Because you dont want more "drama"? Something is super fishy
@@WolfJulia2001 he isnt rapist just less intense jeffree from 10 years ago and I guess jeffree realized he's a hypocrite then or legal action from james
OutlawPrince dude you’re 100% right, I think a while ago he was exposed as a predator and covered it up (not totally sure) and not gonna lie, no offense to him, his cheekbones are literally about to jump out of his face
gondham I don’t know very much about him other than he is creepy. I swear Jefree Star is just *Morgen Night (aka Morgue) in disguise. *If you don’t know who morgue is he’s a freak show performer who was on ABC’s show “Freakshow” and then went on to start a literal cult on TH-cam called Hyperionism. He also looks like a goth version of jefree star...
@@zz7733 Exactly! You see how ridiculous that sounds? Why would people hate James if all he did was advertise some dumb candy and tati accused him of rape. Not to mention fuck up james career. I honestly think Tati is a horrible disgusting person. The only reason I dont care what james did is bc I'm 100% sure as kids we all do dumb shit like I'm sure jeffree star did a lot worse shit at james age
@@unknownblank9680 As an outsider looking in at the time. A lot of the hate was aimed at the predatory accusations. Nobody I knew gave a shit about the gummies to be frank. But now that the allegations are cleared up most people just stopped caring. Personally I just thought Tati was salty, and decided to air out some dirty laundry.
Dank Spaz900 ok but what’s up with a ton of ppl using that same profile photo? Genuinely asking bc I always thought the same videos recommended to me were recommended to one other person too but then I realized a ton of ppl have that profile pic 🤔but they just so happen to watch the same videos.
@@angelcatalan3914 it's basically a meme that went around a while ago where this guy told everyone to "take over over the internet "with his profile pic if u look up maximus "oh yeah yeah" you can kinda c what happened, I just haven't got around 2 changing my pic
This whole drama is so childish. I haven't seen shit like this since actual high school and I'm appalled at the way the "adults" in this situation have behaved. Tati throws a fit because a friend endorses a competitor's useless hair pills instead of her useless hair pills and she retaliates by spreading potentially life-ruining slander about him. Twisting context and leaving stuff out, and basically calling him a sexual predator. Even though he's been able to prove her wrong, this is still something that will follow him forever. Good job Tati, you got him good! And Jeffree Star is just human garbage. He's Littlefinger. I'm shocked he even has any supporters after the numerous instances of his disgusting behavior. I'm convinced the entire "beauty community" is filled with people whose mental maturity halted at 17. James is the most mature one in the whole mess.
Tati should "give lessons" to her own kid, this kid have his mother. JS is very manipulative. Milennials ( Gen Y or Net Gen) shouldn't mix friendship and business- this will destroy them. In this case Generation X is taking advantage of milennials
Is that really an excuse? Would you seriously tolerate someone abusing their power and manipulating public opinion to just be told 'that's how they are' and accept it? Not I.
Yeah that's the craziest part. They went through all this drama of spreading rumors and lying which is possibly why when evidence emerged that James was an actual predator, thought it's generally been believed and taken seriously I feel like the dramageddon incident made it so the true alligations weren't able to carry the weight they otherwise would have and because of that James is still making videos, doing collabs and a bunch of people bought his shitty Painted products and he still has way too many fans. It's some crazy shit. And it sucks for Tati who was in a sense used and possibly at least somewhat "tricked" by Jeffree and Shane who wanted to take James down and Tati has never really recovered from the blow this incident did to her career on TH-cam.
I think the best thing to do with the beauty community at this point is ignore them. They keep dredging up this dubious interpersonal drama which riles up their very young and impressionable fanbase and further drives the profession of "youtuber" into the ground to the point where may industries/media outlets do not take any youtuber seriously as a professional. They make accusations of things that seem incredibly damaging, but there is hardly ever consequence or verification for those accusations or the acts. Every explosion in the beauty community only feeds their fragile egos with more influence and power, which they routinely abuse, and they learn nothing. Stop feeding them views, and stop believing the tall tales of people with historical precedent for blithely lying as it suits them. This is just way too much influence and toxicity for what's essentially a collection of video ads for makeup.
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EDITING CREDITS BELOW: Was a fun one to write because I decided to really look at it while it transpired, rather than just completely being the retrospective "wise guy", definitely gave me a lot more to reflect on when it was finally over. Hope you enjoy! If some of the Tati content footage is a bit low quality, that's because she removed the video while we were still editing.
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Notification Squad ! I'm so glad you covered this topic , since your coverage is always stellar , and it definitely helps to see this mess more clearly.
Damn 2 minutes ago
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The Right Opinion why u believe her more like
U gay?
Great Hunter x Hunter music btw
I knitted a whole hat during this video.
nice
For a baby or for a grown adult?
I love knitting while watching these too! :)
I brewed some tea.
Cool beans
If we were in 2017, Jeffree, Tati and James Charles would settle this with diss tracks
I mean 2018 and 2019 had quite a few too, "I don't like you T-series, nothing personal kid"
Or a boxing match.
I thought Jeffree died of AIDS years ago.
Jesus Christ, thank god we are past those barbaric times.
@@GamingOS that wasn't a serious diss track tho.
"one step closer to becoming the most subscribed Gay James on the platform" I knew you were the true mastermind
but is he really gay tho
DUSTYx123456789 hes openly out as gay on twitter
@@sapnupua5 I'm new to his channel so idk, but now I do
DUSTYx123456789 welcome!
@@sapnupua5 Thank you!
Thank you for being one of the VERY few channels on TH-cam that attempts to find the objective truth among the drama. Those who crave honesty salute you.
first
Good to see you've still got some banger taste in content.
This comment did not age well.
@@blakecolbourne684 What???
@@blakecolbourne684 if your just gonna throw a blanket statement maybe give some context instead of....bull?
Your first mistake was thinking the beauty community was here to empower people.
It’s full of the most petty, greedy, narcissistic people on this platform.
If that's who you're subscribed to, that's your problem. Leave the rest of us out of it.
@@katekursive1370 I have no idea who you're replying to.
Agree 100%.
Don't forget "ignorant". James Charles called Africa a country multiple times in that apology tweet. :/
True
I still dont understand why Jeffree Star got into this drama and then dragged in other people's names who also weren't apart of it.
It is genuinely baffling how the dude hasn't been btfo'd for the obvious and life ruining lies.
Because he is full of himself? Thinking he is the hero we need but meh he is just an idiot with too much money and too much time in his hands.
Because he has had similar accusations And accomplishments in the same industry is considered an expert.
In James wouldnt have survived the world Jeffrey did... times are diffrent.
Essy Chilcutte no James wouldn’t have survived the scandals and allegations Jeffree did. But Jeffree is teflon and gets away with hundreds of scandals that any one of would’ve “cancelled” anyone else.
I probably won’t see your reply. Let’s not include bipolar people in the mix. I have bipolar disorder and I am a good person, I did not choose to have it. Stop using my disease which I did not choose as an adjective.
Me: getting sick of videos about this situation
Also me: *clicked on this video*
Same. +it's 48 minutes lol
Same
One does not simply not watch a TRO video.
I literally have been avoiding this subject for the past week because I'm over it but when I saw it was tro....I paused this shit- went to Walgreens- bought some haagen dazs almond bars and proceeded to sit my happy ass down for 48 mins
Pretty much TRO's appeal in a nutshell.
I can't be the only person who thinks Jeffree Star is straight up terrifying
He is. He looks like a skeleton. And his personality is even worse.
The way he talks is weird
He's a skinny eyebrowless skeletal lizard that tries to make people believe he's human. That's terrifying.
He has a nasty personality like he is better than everyone else. He is a evil little Queen...
Oh I actually find him (superficially seen) quite pretty, but he's got such an ugly personality, that I'm simply confused people are still feeling themselves drawn to him.
He kinda embodied the definition of the devil doesn't he? Deceiving from the outside, but cunning and a destructive force inside 😬
Tati sounds like a disappointed mother. I think that also helped many relate to her
Well, she has the right to sound like that.. She was his mentor, and his sponsor for quite a while. It's basically a mother in the business world
she only cares about her money
tati is like a mom who was successful and wanted her son to be successful too, but he became more successful than her and she got salty.
Eva B. So she tried to destroy him , and made herself look like a fool in the process ,, she’s the worst of the 3 of them
true, maybe thats why i believe her first but after the "drama" i started to see shit in a different perspective
jsyk, you're definitely my favorite gay James on the platform
James on the platform..
You wana..amm.. try that again?
Agreed favorite one
JC can't hold a candle to the supreme being that is this dapper gay British man.
To the best gay james on youtube.
Chaz Reynolds you know writing an incredibly long paragraph in which you repeat the same things and insult people doesn’t make you sound smart anyone can do it
SIDE-NOTE: This isnt contradictory its a joke
I know she helped his career, but she doesn’t own him. Time to set some boundaries ..
It's almost exactly like mothers saying "because I gave birth to you" when they try to control the lives of their kids smh.
She was being SO manipulative in her video. “I helped you stoke your career, how dare you promote a rival business! Don’t you remember how much I did to help you?” Ugh.
It's like the mother that says "you're born because if me"
i think the issue is that he said no to her promotions beacuse his fan base are kids yet when the same product but a different company did their promotions seems kinda two face and stabbing someone in the back
The fact that Tati thought allegations of sexual assault and secret brand deals were subjects of equal importance 🙄
Right like it took him advertising other vitamins for her to say something
She ACTUALLY thought him promoting a different brand was worse than the sexual assault since she sat on the "SA" allegations and only brought it up after he promoted a different brand.
@@dustin0579 She really told on herself there huh?
@@ezalator9653 she called out james on his behavior personally, she wanted him to do better cause they were friends, why would her make a video about his behavior instead of talking to him personally?
i mean, when he promoted her brand's competitor, i think she didn't see no friendship place to talk in anymore, thats why she made a video
Tati was full of it. She’s so fake. And so is Jeffree. They’re too old and need to retire anyways. Jeffree is a white privileged bigot. James was so young. And these “veterans” in the game just manipulated him with this expose culture.
you're like the internet historian without memes raid shadow legends and with more internet politics.
Imagine a collab between them
The Internet Historian goes straight to the point and doesn't need 5 minute long intros.
@@postumus. Is being thorough a bad thing now?
Internet Historian is more on the memes, games and 4-chan.
TRO is more "serious", if you know what I mean.
@@joehayes9933 Man, I still loved IH's part in TRO's Onision part 1 vid. Best meme sponsor ever. XD
"Never asked for anything in return" except for now. When shes clearly saying that since he chose a different brand over hers.. she's cancelling him
I'm not sure expecting someone you've helped to not sign up for a direct competitor is asking for something in return. At least not without giving you a heads up. 🤷🏾♂️
Vim de Zim it’s asking for loyalty, which should really be a given. But considering it wasn’t even the same product I think it was an over exaggeration on her part.
@@animesnow6649 they're both vitamin companies, but according to Tati, James didn't want to advertise hers because of his audience. apparently when they're in gummy form it's ok?
alyssa true they are both vitamin companies but James was advertising the sleep aid vitamins not the hair, skin and nails, which is Tati’s direct competitor. And James has advertised, more like talked about it, before on his channel.
@@animesnow6649 It's still pretty scummy to say "hey I know my audience and advertising vitamins isn't good" and go around to advertise sleep gummies, which is arguably worse than tati's hair shit. sugar bear hair is still a huge competitor for tati's brand, regardless of the product mentioned. also, as far as I can tell, he's never mentioned tati's products anywhere publically. I'm open to any proof otherwise.
TRO youre my favorite gay james
The best gay James on TH-cam.
Best gay James always and forever
@@radelta r/woooosh
radelta boo (is my gay scaring you yet?)
Yes !
I think the bigger issue (now that the predator allegations are debunked), is why was predatory behaviour ok until someone else's vitamins were promoted?
Edited in May 2021: I will be the first to admit this has aged badly, but whether he is a predator or not (and this week at least, it appears he is), the point still stands that really she was more upset that he promoted a rival product than the things she tried to nail him (to the cross) for at the time.
damn i hadn’t thought of it that way but you’re totally right. especially with “you were supposed to have sex with the waiter, not marry him” or whatever she texted him
@@skyesamels3233 ultimately she knew people would just take her word at face value instead of scrutinizing the truth or even the motive behind it. She essentially pretended to be outing a criminal for the good of society when really she was just upset he promoted someone else's product.
THIS IS THE COMMENT IVE BEEN LOOKING FOR! How was it okay when apparently people were telling tati all these horrible things james was doing that she believed but the vitamin thing was the ”breaking point”??? not the predator alligations? wtf
That’s what I always thought too. The community is fraught with vapid people.
For real, even now--He has more allegations against him with *real* proof. He hasnt spoken about it either I dont think.
Tati: *I'm about to destroy man's whole career*
James Charles: *Reverse Tea Card*
I literally just got here from that video. +1 good sir
@@MajorShanks wait which video?
@@confusedaf1112 SupaHotFire
James Charles: *Restoration 100*
@NaomiJ Beauty false life?
Jeffree Star's 'apology' sound creepily like he is gearing up for a second attack on James Charles somewhere down the line, especially in light of the met gala texts
STARR is a tritagonist, he'll go where he feels he can benefit. Just like Zamora.
On imallex there is a video of jeffree groping a straight man and he’s deleted thousands of tweets. He’s a snake who has no loyalties other than himself
I think james is going to get involved in another scandal and he's going to be like "SEE, I told you he was bad" without saying anything really, just like the laura lee, manny mua situation, they went down because of themselves but somehow it was a win by jeffree
E.R. Be literally said he was not gonna go back to his old self and it’s over for him ¿
@@vloving2439 are you really taking someone on the internet at face value?
Tati has the ultimate poor me complex. All this mess over some damn vitamins.
Seriously! I wasn't as into TH-cam when this blew up but my goodness it's insane.
She shows covert narcissist traits
Lol everything he said about james charles is true lol
I rate this mess 47%
No, not vitamins but it comes down to money! Their god
I don't like tati, james or jeffery so im here, a year later, ready for all the cold tea
given everything that's happened over the past two weeks, I'd say they're reheating this old tea lol
@@LK-qk8fm damn, hell yeah more tea for quarantine
@@LK-qk8fm wait what happened?
They be putting it in the microwave
@@bengaltiger8790 couple months ago Shane Dawson posted on Twitter about this old tea and said James Charles deserved a slice of "humble pie the size of the f***ing Empire State Building." Following that post people brought up old content of Shane that were extremely racist and inappropriate involving children. As Shane was spiraling, Tati posted a video claiming that Shane and Jeffree basically "tricked" her into hating James and pushed her to create her Bye Sister video. Tati's video was not well received considering she tried to completely rid herself of any guilt for her own actions, but it did bring up interesting rumors of potential legal actions against Shane and Jeffree....... basically, this old tea became a whole new tea party lol.
TLRD here's Tati's recent video: th-cam.com/video/1aIYkgTcHBw/w-d-xo.html
Tati: "I made your career"
James: "So?"
Tati: *throws reverse uno card*
James: *throws reverse uno card*
Tati: "wait that's illegal!"
@Decent Fellow *throws reverse uno card*
no u
@Decent Fellow is a retarded username.
@Decent Fellow how does it feel being mortally destroyed by your foe a card game?
@Decent Fellow ¿Tienés algún problema con el numero uno?
th-cam.com/video/yXxirE8SeJ8/w-d-xo.html
I honestly feel like everyone involved in this is just horrible lmao
meh, everyone I watch on youtube is horrible.
Paputsza that’s kinda sad
@@HailG3 I feel like it's innocence speaking. Everyone is kind of horrible, but if they are upfront with it I'm fine with it. I just don't mind flawed youtubers over like the Gabby Hanas of youtube who will straight out lie to portray themselves like the one in the right all the time. I caught on fairly quickly that Jeffree Star wasn't a person to be taken seriously even before the time he was surprised he got demonetized for smoking weed at the beginning of a makeup tutorial.
@Bob 1 amen sister
@@lika8599 In slight defense of Bob here it is easy for the average male to have an irrational anger towards men in the makeup community. They make loads of money for breathing oxygen and a skill set which is as useless as a chocolate teapot In the grand scheme of life
Dawg I just want to appreciate all the hunter x hunter music used in this vid
qaswedxs1 yea what
I fucking knew I recognized the songs from somewhere LMAO
I didn’t even notice until you pointed it out! Omg I love that!
Omg i didn't notice
I was getting pretty mad not seeing any comments about this. Thanks
44:47 "i just feel like its a ruse for Shane dawson's documentary" ooof summer 2020, you'll get your answers lmao
he legit predicted it
Is it possible that shane actually has footage of him and jeffree making tati posting bye sister, especially as he did not really cover the drama on his series
oooof indeed.
I don't get it? Can someone explain? Who is Shane Dawson? Why is he a part of this? As a person outside of social media, cause I hate that place even if I require for the modern day.
@@voidcastfam Shane Dawson is an OG TH-camr who has gotten involved with other creators, including the Make Up creators, through his multiple docu-series. I think he started with graveyardgirl, but essentially he started making these series delving into the creators personally, for reasons of redeeming/helping them. He made one eventually on Jeffree Star specifically, and his "dark past".
Afterwards, they started working together a lot, and Shane was brought into that "community". Shane then started producing an incredibly popular series, detailing the "behind the scenes" of the Make up community and whatnot, but it very heavily featured the production of the eyeshadow palette and merch line that he and Jeffree Star made together. And he ended up also being involved in this drama, as it happened when he was most involved with Jeffree Star and whomever else.
How about from now on we stop with this "trust me I have evidence" instead of actually showing the evidence?
Especially in accusations of sexual assault
"trust me I have evidence" doesn't make you credible, "here's the evidence" does, "trust me I have evidence" isn't evidence it's a request for blind faith and trust
Source(s):
Dude trust me
Cancel Culture :/
Most of what James was accused of was *predatory behavior* not sexual assault. That can usually be proven with texts, DMs, etc. What kind of evidence do you want for sexual assault? If someone didn't film and post their own rape then we assume they're lying? There's a reason that experts say allegations of sexual assault should be believed when someone comes forward. People very rarely lie about it and far more often the perpetrators get away with it, most are never even reported because victims know or are justifiably scared they won't be believed, and it's difficult to prove except in cases when it was filmed or the person was biologically male and semen was involved and they didn't use a condom and the victim was brave enough to subject themselves to more trauma by getting a rape exam. _Courts_ should presume people are innocent until proven guilty. The general public should not demand proof from sexual assault victims.
I kind of agree but a lot of times sexual assault or harassment is a hard thing to have evidence for. Not saying he did or didn't do anything I just mean in general.
If its to much to ask, could you please do an episode on MatPat of Game Theory? I know you likely get a ton of requests whenever an incident breaks out and/or aren't really sure when is a good time to do such an episode. But honestly I find GT and all of the controversies, events, and backlash to be incredibly fascinating. Not just on a clickbaity "who IS MatPat" but also as a sort of reflection of TH-cam itself if that makes sense.
I can have a look into it for sure, don't know too much about them but that's how I always start normally!
@@TheRightOpinion glad to hear about that. Hope you find it as interesting as I do
@@legandaryprinnygamer8886 omg yes, that's a one with some weird twists
What’s going on with MatPat? I’m out of the loop but I used to watch Game Theory all the time.
@@Nightman221k It's weird to put into words for me and something I think you should discover yourself by comparing and contrasting his pre-fnaf videos with his most recent ones.
But I think the best explanation that I can offer at the moment us that he has become shockingly adept at gaming TH-cam.
I like how something that clearly should've been a private discussion was made into TH-cam videos by an adult. Jesus Christ the way TH-cam has gotten is toxic and pathetic.
the drama, in a way, is very entertaining. Some you tubers are absolutely idiotic and it’s very enjoyable to watch.
Yet here you all are watching it and laughing. This is why they do it, and you're just feeding into the reasons. You might complain about them doing this, but if you really hated it, you wouldn't watch 🤷
It's amazing how unfortunately this aged. Obviously not TRO's fault, but hindsight is 20/20
What has happened now? I didn't keep up with this story lol
@@Davistheko lot of allegations came up a few months ago of James grooming boys between 15 and 17, had actual receipts and so on
@@gabrielrobinson1279 well, that's another beauty youtuber.
@@gabrielrobinson1279 HAHAHAHAHA
Or is it... 2021? 🤔
James Charles: "i am... inevitable"
The right opinion: "i... am... british"
*avengers theme*
“You couldn’t live with your own failure, and where did you lead you? Right back to me”
The Californian Raisins, 2023
Hi inevitable, I'm dad
"It's okay TRO, you can rest now"
I used the youtuber to destroy the youtuber.
No idea you were gay.
That's a very nice market tho, Gay James'
Zander
The Better Gay James*
**Which Gay James is the best Gay James?**
Gay James 2: Premium Content Edition
only found out from his twitter
@@WRPBullet Jon? What are you doing here?
Jesus, and I thought Game of Thrones was an accurate representation of political backstabbing and shifting loyalties.
"was" indeed
Yep, that word was intentionally put in there ;)
@@Gideon_the_Seraph Dammit. And here I thought I was being smart.
Haha don't worry too much
lol
The funniest thing about all of this drama is that neither of those vitamins work anyway 🤷♀️ #fightingaboutnothing
I feel like there's an analogy regarding religion in here somewhere
This should be top comment! LOL
🙃😂🤣
came for the tea, stayed for the hunter x hunter sound track
Oh my got I'm so glad someone else heard the Zoldyck theme!!!! It started and I was like *:*/^!&=*%*/YAS
Hxh is r gae
Tsukari Kaoru Same though
They really made good use out of every track.
I wonder if him and his editor's truly enjoy hunter x hunter.
All of your editors are f*cking incredible. Awesome job, TRO!
i had to minimize, I was feeling motion sick
Bruh, your theory about Shane Dawson orchastrating it all just to expose the mob mentatility or beauty community would be so epic especially since James Charles wanted to do a expose on the beauty community a couple of months ago.
It would NOT end well for ANYONE involved in this drama if it turns out it was all fake
@@doll3734 actually it would nearly kill the community i believe
@@invertedv12powerhouse77 not only will people get angry at everyone involved for faking the drama, the next time someone is called out for doing something shady, everyone will just pass it off as "another test" or "expose project"
Therefore making it easier for those type of people to get away with whatever they're doing
@@doll3734 yup. A form of desensitization kind of.
@@doll3734 Unlikely it was all just a social experiment, millions of dollars in branding were on the line here. This is an extreme gamble if this were the case
So, this video is obviously outdated, and while you don't want to dwell on the same topic, I'm curious to see what your opinion is today since new claims and accusations have been made.
Please do not be offended, but I have yet to see any evidence of his wrongdoing. The one young man exposed the nudes, yet blacked out the conversation and actual evidence that James knew he was underaged and still pursued him. He did not provide one shred of evidence, and actually concealed what would prove his guilt.
I know this is not a popular opinion, but I don't believe any of the "victims" are actually victims, because they provided zero evidence. As a matter of fact, they removed their videos probably because of legal consequences. I find James' recollection of events to be more accurate and consistent rather than Isayah.
Again, he blacked out the very evidence that would corroborated his testimony, and instead exposed James nudes.
I actually find this video to have aged well; as he was accused before without evidence and again, without evidence.
@@charissa6648 but like... they had their age in the bio, they didn't need to specifically tell him. In fact, he had the responsibility to check?
@@panonymousbloom5405 The age was said to be changed several times! However, I do agree with you that he should always check identification from now on!
It's just not something I would have ever thought to do especially if someone said they were a certain age and social media confirmed this.
@@charissa6648 It's not something we thought we had to do even before social media: but faking age to get into bars has been a thing for decades. With social media it's just another thing people need to be responsible around. Not flirting or hooking up with underage people doesn't seem too hard for many people, especially if you avoid social media altogether.
@@charissa6648 if he had any awareness at all, he wouldn’t message fans like he said he wouldn’t
Jeffree made himself look so bad with this. Him and that text was just so bad.
He's been good at doing that for decades now
The editing in this video is astonishing. The editors did a truly amazing job, the presentation and the visuals that go along with it is perhaps the best I've ever seen. Good job !!
I know right! I subbed for this reason
A community based on vanity having personality issues? Unbelievable.
Pretty girls are usually mean girls, I think thats the only thing to take away from this mess. I wouldnt take any of them to be my friend, if theres any other people available for that job. If not, maybe Im ok with just a cat. Less drama, less nails. Go figure.
@@janemiettinen5176 The idea that good looking people are meaner is mostly a statistical illusion called Berkson's Paradox. This woman is mainly talking about books and movies, but does bring it into good looks vs niceness th-cam.com/video/FUD8h9JpEVQ/w-d-xo.html
@@janemiettinen5176 That is a horrible thing to do, you are judging people because of looks and hobbies.
Hahahahaha! Shocking.
I know right?
So basically, James Charles was the only one to show the so-called RECEIPTS.
I still don't get the receipts thing. Do they mean screenshots?
@@PintoRagazzo Receipts is just the evidence of what transpired, any sort of message, video, audio, physical proof.
@@NCC-1701_no_bloody_a_b_c_or_d Why the hell do they call it receipts?
@@PintoRagazzo Apparently it comes from an interview with Whitney Houston, who was accused of spending so much money on drugs, and asked to comment she said "I wanna see the receipts". And so it became slang for "show me proof"
@@NCC-1701_no_bloody_a_b_c_or_d Aight. I still thunk its kinda stupid but alright. Thanks, mate.
TRO: "His personality, although not my cup of tea: no pun intended..."
Me "How is that a pun?"
My brain 2 minutes later: "...oh! personali-tea!"
Me: "Good job brain!"
also, james uses the word "tea" a lot.
Drama also comes in tea cups
@@PianeDiane which James?
@@soupisfornoobs4081 Both
I thought it was because he’s British
Let’s make TRO the highest subscribed gay James
Alice Oh I agree
TRO's intro: People like Jake Paul seem to fade into the background
Jake: Cody Ko's a bully
Lol
Lmao and Cody just gained subs
Subscribe to the Tiny Meat Gang podcast!
The Paul brothers just can't go a month without doing stupid shit. While one is quiet, the other one is brewing something idiotic to do/say. At this point I think they might be doing this to bring attention to their channels
“It was a ruse for Shane Dawson’s documentary.”
You hit the nail right on the head and predicted the future 👏🏼
Beauty Community be like:
How to gain attention and be famous 101:
Create drama.
Sadly that's true for the whole TH-cam community as of now.
“the most subscribed gay james on the platform”
-gay james ii 2k19
am i really gonna watch another 40 minute video about some gay dude i dont care much about?
of course i am.
Love your S/N 🥰
I was listening to the video and was like "why am I getting Hunter x Hunter vibes?" Then realized it's all Hunter x Hunter music.
OOOHHHHHHHH
Right!!!
It was literally all I could focus on the whole video lmao
Alex Iglesias thought I was the only one!!!
Omg same. I wad just listening to the video while cooking and literally stopped in my tracks when I recognized the music. Raised my appreciation for this video and channel overall by quite a lot lol
at least james had receipts and could defend himself to an extent. tati left us with a 'i stand by what i said', 'do not twist my words into something they're not - hear my message'. like, come on. you started this feud and expressed yourself publically, FINISH IT publically. tati did it publically because she claims she wanted james to really hear what she's trying to say. well if you loved james as much as you say you did, you wouldn't have done that considering how large the impact would be on him, since you're so close, just fking talk to him. jesus.
idek wtf jeffree was doing.
I can understand her actions to an extent. The fact he did what he did with the competitor clearly shows that he does not have his head on straight, does not value what she had done for them and to me, would have signified a complete lack of care for the friendship. If it were me in Tatis position, I would not have felt that direct connection with him would have done anything. I guess that's just a difference in personalities.
I also really don't think this was expected by her. Logically, it wouldn't be to most people - a huge channel like JC dwarfed her own sub count, and we are all aware that he has what most refer to as "rabid" fans. We've all seen massive creators fan bases attack 'haters' and what have you.
@@akriandurin151 starting shit over some stupid gummibears is not the smartest thing
@@maark66 I never said it was smart. Only that I could understand.
@@akriandurin151 yeah if you have a problem with someone you confront them. Especially if you are celebrity just broadcasting accusations. It's not about personality difference, if you had a problem with someone and felt like they were just going to shut you down, either confront then expose or move on. Anything else is childish
"Idk wtf jeffree was doing" lmaoo same (I'm so confused help)
hımm hunter x hunter ı see you are a man of cultere.
Was looking for a comment talking about the OST. It’s fire and works so surprisingly well with the video. Who knew battle shounen soundtrack in an anime about young boys fighting some random gay clown works so well in a video about the beauty community.
Exactly what I said 😌
Where?
lowlifefujoshi literally most of the background music used in this video is from hunter x hunter OST
I heard FMA, HxH, and Naruto. I was like damn that’s a lot for a person who dosent consider themself a weeb lol
Wow, a bunch of catty and vain makeup TH-camrs got into a public fight that should have been private in the first place. I'm so shooketh!
AllRightsRejected Not only are make up/hair stylist chicks crazier than strippers, their drug use is almost non existent. Strange.
@@Glass_Caskets ^^^this man has never talked to a woman.
@@Glass_Caskets Ironic, given that the only woman in this situation - Tati - is and has been the most mature person in the beauty community and consistently stayed out of drama. Unlike the two males also involved.
@@GLamoRousCooKie Hunny, Tati started this whole drama and overexaggerated this situation so she seemed like the victim. Proof shows that she was never backstabbed by James and has an ego the size of Jeffree Star. Just because someone is quiet doesn't mean they're innocent, Narcissistic and abusive people often never show their true colors to the mass public.
@@GLamoRousCooKie tati regularly gets into drama, though. She went after Kiki Chanel nearly identically to how she went after James Charles. Kiki was smeared, and Emily Noel was also made to look like she was harming Tati. That was just last year. Kiki, also around James Charles's age, still gets harrassment now. It was almost like a practice run.
Me: I'm so bored of the James Charles drama
TRO uploaded
< Clicked faster than the speed of light
"I was one step closer to becoming the most subscribed gay James"
James Marriott has joined the server
wait is James Marriot Gay or Bi? Like ik hes had a Girlfriend but he could be bi
Jewel Mine think bi don't know 4 sure
@@jewelmine442 hes straight
auri_gab where has he said that?
@@roryisrory2151 yea i assumed that tbh
Tati really strikes me as a snake. All that "I'm a good person, actually" followed by the real issue: "my money, though"
She sounds a little jelly
🙄
The drama took Poppy Gloria away from us...
Who is Poppy Gloria? Is that just the full name of Poppy, the weird TH-camr?
@@nghilewis Oh, alright thanks. I'm not all that up to date with the English speaking TH-cam community because I only watch certain TH-camrs.
firstname lastname lowkey, Mary Ham is lit
@@angelcatalan3914 ding dong
YOUR OPINION
*IS*
*W R O N G*
Poppy was right
I love how you honestly break down things and help to remove bias from situations! Thanks for helping so many to have clear views!
#NotificationSquad
MUA means make up artist btw. I thought it was a last name.
Lol, it's funny the way TRO says it like Mua, a word, lol, when it's Manny M. U. A..... Too cute!
Yeah I just kinda learned it was not
Who knew the beauty community was so anime.
not even anime lmao, a 7th graders online beef
The thing that makes your statement funnier is that all the music in the video is HxH
@@ottovonbismarck4497 THANK YOU holy shit I've been looking for a comment relating to it for about 20 minutes
Just look at the bastards. Jeffree looks like an alien, James is impulsive to the point of almost being classified as an explosive device and Tati is an adult yet so naive in some situations one could believe she was born 35 years old. Frankly I hope they all lose in the end.
Many in the beauty community are also in the cosplay community, thus in the anime community as well.
The zoldyck theme matches all drama channels though :p
“This isn’t real. This is SKETCH.”
Me at allll times.😂
My favourite gay James? Nah
My favourite James, gay or straight.
Edit: thanks for the likes :))
XD Hell yes
Im actually really confused about this comment. Seems like a lot of people understand it but I just don't. I get its a joke but its over my head. I mean it took me way to long to understand the "why is six afraid of seven joke" so for my own sanity, please can someone explain this comment to me?
@@Ech0XI James Charles is gay. The narrator's name is also James and he also happens to be gay. There were a bunch of comments saying that the narrator is their favourite gay James.
I think you can figure out the rest
@@vishishify ohh okay I gotcha thanks man
Tati's video is 40 minutes long
The Right Opinion's video was 40 minutes long
Co-incidence I think not
ThomasTurner69 Shit, you’ve cracked the fucking code.
tati deleted hers
tro kept this up
lol
Lies! Tati’s was 43 mins 9 seconds, TRO’s was 48 mins 14 seconds. It’s a 5 minute 5 second difference. I think the code is in the 5s...
Jeffree Star needs to be cancelled forever, period. He is beyond redemption at this point imo.
amen
Yeah, he’s been pretty pathetic
What did he do
I have come to understand a thing about cancellation. Someone is "cancelled" when they do something their own audience is not prepared to accept. This might be something that is specific to the audience (like The Chicks coming out against the war in Iraq pissing off the conservative element of their fanbase, or Creepshow Art calling people slurs on lolcow after marketing herself as a moral authority on things like slurs) or it could be something that is widely accepted as being wrong (like being a nonce). Milo Yiannopolis whined for years about being cancelled by the left while being funded and supported and published by the right. The second his right wing fanbase learned he'd said something that wasn't acceptable to them either, he was cancelled - fired, dropped by his publisher, denounced by his friends and yeeted into obscurity for the next three years.
Most of Jeffree Star's audience know that he's a trash fire who feeds on drama and then claims to hate it as soon as it backfires on him, that he has no principles and no loyalty. They are there to watch the trainwreck, or they like the aesthetic and they don't care. Those who might have rejected him on moral grounds left long before the Bye Sister debacle. At this point he would have to do something truly universally abhorrent, probably a literal serious crime for that audience to be pissed enough to leave
@@Mr.Tw1sty racism, manipulation, lies, while being a pretty big backstaber, only having relationships while he can use people, flip flops on his opinions acording to how much he can gain
I love how you incorporate ads into your videos. They don't just interupt the video mid sentence, alot of the times I don't even notice. Well done
I do notice because he places it directly in front of an interesting turning point and I wanna know what happens next xD
wait, there was an ad in this video? ahahhahaha i genuinely didn't even recognise it if there was one
geene smith same. I don't understand how other channels are still inserting an ad break mid-sentence in 2019.
there was about 6 ads on this video, a tad too much for a 40 minute video for my tastes
2:35
When he said manny ‘moo-a’, I felt that.
Is anyone else annoyed by the way James Charles’s mouth moves?
It’s weird, but I can’t figure out what makes it weird......
Like...the opposite of Botox 🤨
I can’t stand it either. I think it is stuff that people inject into their lips, making them big and floppy.
Some weird obsession with this "Doughnut" lip craze, that women have these days. I don't get it either. It looks fucking terrible.
He holds his muscles weird
Broadica lol I finally found someone who sees what I see !!!!
Jeffree too...he’s always licking his lips while talking, and it’s like he’s afraid to close his jaw. Maybe he doesn’t wanna clench it because it’ll look masculine? Still annoying.
Jeffree is actually insane, imagine how he treats people that aren't able to stand up for themselves
"jake paul has appeared to fade into the background"
definitely written before the cody ko drama
Even then, that "drama" blew over fairly quickly due to the paper-thin basis of Jake Paul's little crusade against "cyberbullying".
I literally was like "OH THANK GOD ONE OF THE PAULS DID SOMETHING STUPID" because this was getting old and overblown.
jake is still old news
Pepper !
"Drama" can still happen in the background lol
Omg thank you for this story. This is EXACTLY how I feel. I am so surprised that the beauty community has forgiven Jeffree Star for this behavior. Now that the new Shane Dawson's series has come out, I would like to hear and watch your input on how the showcasing of their relationship has affected this drama, and what is Jeffree's Star's bigger story. The brilliant series has, half heartedly, showcased Jeffree's great qualities that I can admire, but that behavior still leaves a bad taste in my mouth. What does this say about the community? Are we being naive to trust Jeffree and James in that fact to leave this crazy drama alone? Shane's series hasn't been fully released by the time I write this, and hasn't made any suggestions about the drama yet, so I am curious what they say. Anyway, thanks again.
Exactly!!!!! I completely agree. Even the way he behaves in Shane’s series really doesn’t sit well with me. And now with the way he speaks in the video where he explains him and Nate’s breakup. Just so narcissistic and “me me me! im crying! Im in a dark place! Sry”
K. Flip yeah well I never understood how his first series on Jeffree star suddenly made everyone forgive and love him...just bc he said he’d cut himself before. Sad, but that doesn’t excuse his actions he KEEP doing to this day.
K. Flip and the emotion he was showing and crocodile tears just seemed so extremely fake and over the top.
I have no idea who these people are, but you bet I'm going to watch a 40 min TRO vid on 'em
Me too XD
It wont make any more sense after you watch it
@@thesollylama130 it doesn't make sense at all. Just some bitter people bitching at each other over promoting different brands snake oil.
Raptor Cell I have no clue who the they are either, but got here thru other videos and it looked kinda weird and a little interesting plus I'm bored!
Yep lmao
"Every now and then I think its a ruse for Shane Daweson's documentary."
And holy shit how true that gut feeling turned out to be...
I appreciate this Hunter x Hunter background music 😭❤️
Sonia yes 👏🏻 someone else noticed 😂😭
yes
My hxh family! Ayeee
timestamp?
@@artyomxiii the entire video lmao
The beauty community is why Thanos wanted to snap us out of existence.
Wait if Thanos snaps,that means half of them are gonna go dust,what bout the other half?
Nuke?
Any community honestly.
[ Deimos ] The other half goes into pure survival mode and starts killing each other.
If james charles came to your house with ben shapiro in blackface, the heteros would be more concerned with ben shapiro's safety LMAO NO YOU DIDNT LOLOLOLO
Lethal fire62 lgbtq is not a literal organization... do you think there's an lgbtq email list where the leader sends out meeting times like how can "lgbtq" be associated with a terrorist organization LOL
Generic Name ok thanks i guess i was misinformed
Well now we know jeffree and Shane basically manipulated people into being on their side in this and basically made this whole thing happen
Do we, or are you just getting wrapped up in it again.
“To sleep with him”
For anyone who doesn’t know... James, at least up until that point... publicly said he was a virgin, at least w intercourse. Which is what made this all weirder and why everyone was talking about “we made out for about two hours” lol as if it’s high school. Idk I just think it adds an interesting twist.
He posted on his instagram that he had a full ass son
instead of thinking about all this drama, listening to your video just made me want to watch HxH all over again... YEAH I RECOGNISED THAT SOUNDTRACK
I was so fucking hype the whole time. I listened to the music more than the drama tbh
FUCK THATS WHERE THE MUSIC IS FROM I LOVE YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS
the whole time i was wondering if the music sounded familiar. i havent watched hxh in years, goddamn
Dammit
I made a comment regarding the music...I'll go delete it...
The soundtrack and anime is the best.
Going to rewatch some episodes..
We should measure sub loss by percentage. Which means ProJared had the largest sub-percentage loss of any big TH-camr.
I completely agree!
Which is kinda sad now that he was proven innocent
desulek hahaha no he wasn’t
@@LaceJellyfish Yes he was you fucking sheep, watch his recent videos.
@@LaceJellyfish He was, there's actual evidence lol.
Idk man that British accent could turn any straight man gay...
I previously swore off 45 minute videos about james charles, but this video honestly impressed me. subscribed
homeboy seriously called Africa a country 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Seth Parker 🤣💀
Seth Parker this was GOOD
Ik he needs to get educated lol
It was really sad when James said "Bye, sister." in his video explaining his side. They were bullying him left and right. John Swan was really cool exposing those fake screenshots. great job as always tro ^.^ more power to you and your editors!
Yeah, but John Swan was just exposed for admitting he lied about someone else and created fake reciepts for that, too, so....hmmm.
well this aged badly
@@trinirojo2635 it aged like milk on a hot day
@@mollyelliott5356 But milk always taste a bit better after standing in the sun for a bit, it gives it it a bit of a kick!
This aged badly, given he got recently exposed with highly credible evidence that he's a groomer trying to groom straight men into being gay.
Yeah he really fooled TRO tbh if you look at his response video again. All he does is shift the blame. It honestly does not address most of the allegations Tati made against him.
"You need to be locked up in prison"
Also
"I don't hate him"
iseeyounoobs Lol right
"You, a 19 year old, need to be locked up in prison even tho I have no evidence of you having broken the law, but I, an Adult who is over 30, don't hate you at all." seriously though wtf
Bro how are you seriously going to let a "RAPIST" and danger to society who deserves to serve many years in prison off the hook? Because you dont want more "drama"? Something is super fishy
@@WolfJulia2001 he isnt rapist just less intense jeffree from 10 years ago and I guess jeffree realized he's a hypocrite then or legal action from james
Jefree has said so much about James publically he can honestly get Jefree for slander :/
James Charles is..
Something. Everyone in the beauty community unsettles me.
The most unsettling thing is Mr Charles here happens to be the least unsettling...
Trevor Anderson Jeffrey Star is frightening. I’m sorry that may not be PC and I don’t want to be an ass but he just creeps me out.
OutlawPrince dude you’re 100% right, I think a while ago he was exposed as a predator and covered it up (not totally sure) and not gonna lie, no offense to him, his cheekbones are literally about to jump out of his face
gondham I don’t know very much about him other than he is creepy. I swear Jefree Star is just *Morgen Night (aka Morgue) in disguise.
*If you don’t know who morgue is he’s a freak show performer who was on ABC’s show “Freakshow” and then went on to start a literal cult on TH-cam called Hyperionism. He also looks like a goth version of jefree star...
Jeffree Star looks like a 50 year old bone dry vampire..
I'm not siding with Tati, but I definitely don't trust James Charles either.
This is one of those cases of "everyone sucks" imo.
Why dont you trust james Charles?
All he did was eat gummies, who gives a fuck :/
@@unknownblank9680 Exactly, James ate gummies and Tati accused him of being a rapist.
@@zz7733 Exactly! You see how ridiculous that sounds? Why would people hate James if all he did was advertise some dumb candy and tati accused him of rape. Not to mention fuck up james career. I honestly think Tati is a horrible disgusting person. The only reason I dont care what james did is bc I'm 100% sure as kids we all do dumb shit like I'm sure jeffree star did a lot worse shit at james age
@@unknownblank9680 As an outsider looking in at the time. A lot of the hate was aimed at the predatory accusations. Nobody I knew gave a shit about the gummies to be frank.
But now that the allegations are cleared up most people just stopped caring. Personally I just thought Tati was salty, and decided to air out some dirty laundry.
This needs a part 2. If only because he literally predicted Beauty Drama 2020.
for some reason the HxH soundtrack really goes well with your vidz
The HxH soundtrack goes well with everyting
Dank Spaz900 ok but what’s up with a ton of ppl using that same profile photo? Genuinely asking bc I always thought the same videos recommended to me were recommended to one other person too but then I realized a ton of ppl have that profile pic 🤔but they just so happen to watch the same videos.
@@angelcatalan3914 it's basically a meme that went around a while ago where this guy told everyone to "take over over the internet "with his profile pic if u look up maximus "oh yeah yeah" you can kinda c what happened, I just haven't got around 2 changing my pic
me: there's no way i'm watching another video on this.
video: has incredibly good writing.
me: damnit. strap in. **clicks fullscreen**
Shin Megami Tensei 4
Hunter X Hunter
Great music choices for this sick
【ＤＲＡＭＡ】
Where did they play Shin Megami Tensei 4 music? Maybe I wasn't paying close enough attention but I can't remember ever hearing any ^^'
Time to make another video about james Charles new scandal with the 16 year old
He has had 15+ alleged victims in the last 6 months now.
Holy hell I never heard about this
This whole video reads like a Game of Thrones episode...
sophistray keep in mind though, that the characters and plot of GoT were actually complex.
I come from 2020. I feel like this needs a sequel now that Jeremiah starfish had to stir the rancid pot again and now throw Tati under the bus lmao
This whole drama is so childish. I haven't seen shit like this since actual high school and I'm appalled at the way the "adults" in this situation have behaved. Tati throws a fit because a friend endorses a competitor's useless hair pills instead of her useless hair pills and she retaliates by spreading potentially life-ruining slander about him. Twisting context and leaving stuff out, and basically calling him a sexual predator. Even though he's been able to prove her wrong, this is still something that will follow him forever. Good job Tati, you got him good! And Jeffree Star is just human garbage. He's Littlefinger. I'm shocked he even has any supporters after the numerous instances of his disgusting behavior.
I'm convinced the entire "beauty community" is filled with people whose mental maturity halted at 17. James is the most mature one in the whole mess.
I dont even remember the "tea" at my schools being this god damn salty, Jesus Christ people are bitter.
Tati should "give lessons" to her own kid, this kid have his mother.
JS is very manipulative. Milennials ( Gen Y or Net Gen) shouldn't mix friendship and business- this will destroy them.
In this case Generation X is taking advantage of milennials
Kristy Lattanzio she also knew JC was talking shit about JS but didn’t say anything until she needed JS to be on her side
@@williammahe most mature in the situation doesn't mean mature. James was just the least worst here
I don’t even remember any drama in my high school.
“One step closer to being the most subscribed too gay James”?
Well , if you don’t mind me, I’ll subscribe right now!
Jeffree has been like is ever since he became famous I don't know why people are surprised by his actions. He's a ruthless person always always will.
so is James.
Both are but Jeffrey is far worse.
@@haseo8244 Jeffree is absolutely horrible. Fake "woke" person because otherwise it will hurt his pocket.
Ig jeffree sees him as a threat who knows
Is that really an excuse? Would you seriously tolerate someone abusing their power and manipulating public opinion to just be told 'that's how they are' and accept it? Not I.
2016: Content Cop is the killer of channels! R.I.P Leafy!
2019:
Tro doesnt kill channels tho he saves them and stands up for them in the case where they cant do so themselves
Never said Tro killed channels. It was a James Charles reference
@@accordintojordan4250 that's what I thought you meant lol my bad bro
It's commentary channels.
Is anyone else weirded out by the fact that her face literally never moves?
That's 100% a sign of deception. She's lying/exaggerating things. Which is basically confirmed by now.
Dane Summers
Oh, I thought it was the Botox.😬
Inappropriate and Unprofessional LMAOOO
Inappropriate and Unprofessional TBH it was probably both
Her make-up is so thick it won't let her face move
It's really fucked up that it later turned out that James Charles really was a creep but these specific allegations were still false.
Yeah that's the craziest part. They went through all this drama of spreading rumors and lying which is possibly why when evidence emerged that James was an actual predator, thought it's generally been believed and taken seriously I feel like the dramageddon incident made it so the true alligations weren't able to carry the weight they otherwise would have and because of that James is still making videos, doing collabs and a bunch of people bought his shitty Painted products and he still has way too many fans. It's some crazy shit. And it sucks for Tati who was in a sense used and possibly at least somewhat "tricked" by Jeffree and Shane who wanted to take James down and Tati has never really recovered from the blow this incident did to her career on TH-cam.
I think the best thing to do with the beauty community at this point is ignore them. They keep dredging up this dubious interpersonal drama which riles up their very young and impressionable fanbase and further drives the profession of "youtuber" into the ground to the point where may industries/media outlets do not take any youtuber seriously as a professional. They make accusations of things that seem incredibly damaging, but there is hardly ever consequence or verification for those accusations or the acts. Every explosion in the beauty community only feeds their fragile egos with more influence and power, which they routinely abuse, and they learn nothing. Stop feeding them views, and stop believing the tall tales of people with historical precedent for blithely lying as it suits them.
This is just way too much influence and toxicity for what's essentially a collection of video ads for makeup.