Red light nose probes. (And a DIY one for your snitch too.)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 ก.ย. 2017
- What better way to treat hay fever than to jam two red LEDs up your nose. I'll let you guys decide if you think this works.
I've included a DIY version too that can also double up as a USB power-bank powered Halloween effect.
Note that I do not condone sticking LEDs up your orifices.
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Bionase. The way you would pronounce Mayonnaise when your nose is plugged up by this apparatus.
You actually made me try it 😅
... And I confirm.
I'd have made it mains powered with a capacitive dropper for extra nose tingling goodness
You are well versed in BigClive speak...
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Great idea! Combine photo- and electro-therapy and you've hit the jackpot! (The Victorian Era of charlatan "Medicine" is calling!!)
I like my beer cold, my tv loud, and my homosexuals flaming!
BigClive let's make a business deal! Make this mains powered modification and invoice me for 1000!!
Big Clive I love you. Not literally, just in the comedic sense. Incredible how you show the average layman that the mysteries of electronics and engineering are not beyond comprehension. First you broke apart the machine and very clearly schematically described it’s detail and function. Next you reversed engineered your own set of red light probes. Seemed easy but I realize it took a lot of know-how. What I am impressed by is that your kind enough to teach this know to the average Joe, myself. I’m a community pharmacist who grew up believing all technical tasks were beyond comprehension but I’m learning as I age that with a little bit of motivation we humans can do some amazing things. Many many thanks for your humourous education today.
I know its been said before - but that one-hand solder technique is a thing of beauty and inspiration!
mCKENIC yes i thought the same, i wish i could do it
mCKENIC.. that's the difference between a pro & an amateur / hobbyist ( like me )
Farid Nicolas Wakim I couldn't either when I first saw it. Now I can! It's just a matter of practice. Try it! It's easier than you think.
@@OhShitSeriously I can concur, once Clive shows you it is possible, you find yourself trying to incorporate his techniques.
Great for Christmas, too. You can cosplay Rudolph.
That would be the wrong direction. Rudolph's nose glows on the tip and not in the channel.
Techtastisch 75 Not in the manga.
28:30 "It feels like LED stuck up my nose"
-BigClive 2017
We don't need to make stuff to relax watching Clive make stuff is relaxing enough, such dulcet tones. Also if you stick anything up your nose for a quarter of an hour you will feel less congested when you pull them out, just like my patent pending head hitter use it for a fill 30 minutes and when you stop it feels great.
" not really going to massage unless you ram it in and out your nose" ha ha ha.. love your comments Clive 😂😂😂
I guess the particles can't get into your nose if it's full of LED
Matt Dennis you've discovered the truth right there.. Damn you..
this shit doesnt work lol
Make your nose hair grow better! =)
I am very late to the party on this one but I wanted to mention that I really enjoyed watching you make something. The usual tear downs are great but I would love to also watch you design circuits as well. I think it would compliment the learning very nicely. Thanks as always!
After looking into this the theory behind this device is sound. Low level light therapy is used throughout the medical industry to stimulate or inhibit certain cell functions. In this case the red light is absorbed by the parts of a cell which is responsible for producing histamines, reducing the amount produced and reducing symptoms. It is also used to stimulate tissue growth for faster wound healing and reducing scaring. The effectiveness of devices like this are debatable though the principal is widely accepted.
Ultra Violet isn't used because rather than stimulate cell structures it can damage or kill them. It is however used to great effect for localised bacterial and viral treatments. I would hazard a guess that these sort of treatments will become more common place in the future with antibiotic resistance becoming more of a problem.
oh boy, quack device, my favourite
for real lol
I love that watching this video, as one does with older Clive videos from time to time, the ads show me a £350 helmet for growing your hair... 20 red leds in a crash helmet shell that runs off a 5v phone charger... I guarantee I can build you one that is 200% more effective, functions as a real crash helmet AND runs from a 9v battery, for an extra £50 I'll add a cranial vibration mode, that'll really get those folacles working hard!
Red light therapy sounds like slang for visiting a red light district...
I thought that too.
no, that helps you expel a different bodily fluid.
Difference is that actually works!
you mean the sex with hookers part? yes, that actually works. for better or worse, depending.
At least that version of red light therapy is proven to relieve stress....well until your crotch starts burning red hot.
Making stuff IS the best. Keep up the great videos, Clive. Enjoy every one of them.
Ooh this interests me because these work wonders for my hayfever. Might just be placebo but it definitely worked wonders. Although mine was from a well known pharmacy company in the UK.
Lloyds
Well that was a treat. Classic Clive making stuff and I haven't seen it before. 👍🏻
I've heard that if you stick color-changing RGB LEDs up your nose it gives you super powers.
A similar device is used at Vancouver General Hospital during surgery prep, however it is a larger machine they push around on a cart. They first apply a disinfectant liquid inside you nostrils and then place the disposable probes into your nose and make you wear special protective sunglasses as the light is extremely bright. They found doing this has dramatically reduced the chance of getting an infection post-surgery, as well as reducing the number of people who get sick during their hospital stay, it seems to work really well. So these do have a medical use, but I doubt this cheap device will do much.
British NHS hospitals found, if you used a 12 inch butt plug during surgery prep,patients proclaim themselves cured and go home , saves on operating costs
Probably high powered UV or something that really kills germs.
Jusb1066 Well that's great! Glad to hear the NHS is responding well to patients calling them a pain in the ass, by giving them a pain in the ass!
I get the point you're trying to make, and yes the device Clive shows us is pure quackery (especially for hayfever... that won't do shit for allergies), I was merely pointing out the technology is useful when a real medical grade machine is used for sterilization. It's a quick procedure that costs next to nothing, and saves them money in the long run.
That's interesting! Makes sense given the nose is the most common carrier site for MRSA in nosocomial infection. Presumably they are trying to reduce those infections.
you will be surprised but even the cheap device does work, but not as treatment - as a prevention device (it prevents my sinuses infection from getting back (as it used to do 1-2 weeks after antibiotics))
I would usually use a knife on a snitch but your ways of electrical wizardry have shown me a better path.
Now i just use high powered nose lasers for that sweet, sweet lobotomy. God bless you sir!
*salutes*
I love watching / listening you to build things. I may learn things and I get to kill time before it kills me. Thank You.
That moment when big Clive gets into a project and becomes Bob Ross with a soldering iron. Amazing.
"Happy little LEDs..."
I like it when the video is over then, bam he makes something. Nice job.
I wish you had restored the pcb to find out why they drilled out that lead. Maybe it will add scillation, or even better, that something will explode, or at least smoke? We need a follow-up on this.
Christian Jacquet The question is if the microchip is programmed with one resistor or two in mind.
Or they just found cheap 120 ohm resistors, and didn’t have to use two 240 ohms.
I like Clive's theory better. It looks like a fix for a problem found after they started production. Hand soldering across the resistors is way more expensive that the resistor chip (c.f. earlier explanations of why 0 ohm resistors are used), even if you have barefoot peasants doing it. Possibly the micro gets squirrelly when the voltage rail drops too low and it ends up with one on and one off as Clive posited. It would be interesting to open up one from next year and see if the board's been revised.
I think they designed it to flash the LEDs or alternate them or something, and then when the 1 million actual led assemblies showed up they found that they didn't connect the leds to tip and ring, they both went to tip, and they said oh crap, how can we fix this?
"It doesn't really messsage, it don't unless you ram it in and out your nose" - Clive, Big 2017
I reaaally would’ve expected a bigclive with these up his nose thumbnail xD
I was hoping for a "mirror" shot of the LEDs in action - Clive doing his Rudolf impression! (Perhaps that's reserved for Patreon subscribers only??)
can confirm
My ? Would be dose it work?
Maybe safer to use rinse
At first I read that as "And one for your snatch too" lol as that's what one expects now from Big Clive, lol
It can also be used to illuminate snatches.
@@bigclivedotcom And other anatomy !! lol
I finally understood how resistors work!!! Thanks Clive!!
Thanks Clive for showing us how to build the device ourselves and the science and maths behind the project. Sadly I will not sleep tonight with the thought of you with LEDs stuck up your nose and that thing from three years ago - that I saw today - jammed up the other end! No wonder you know how to bulk produce hand sanitizer!
20:29 -- "Ahh, did you hear the voice softening..." BigClive™ going into Ultra Bob Ross mode....lol.
Clive the 1k is probably not to protect the led, it's probably specifically limiting the source current from the output of the mystery chip. I'd guess it's a little micro controller since it seems to sense when you remove the nasal probe. You find some of the neatest little crazy devices, thanks for the vids. They are great.
Awesome, just in time for spring here in Australia!
Well thank you Clive, if you hadn't shown me this I don't I would have believed such a thing existed. I'm amazed, lets bung a few leds up our noses to "fix" hay fever....
Great video as always mate. Regards
Damnit! Someone stole my idea form when I was a kid of shoving lit LEDs up my nose!! Only mine was cos I was just that sort of kid, not for some quack science thing... :P
twocvbloke that's how quack science ideas are born
twocvbloke I
Most of the quacks that make this shit never move passed being a kid. They just get greedy.
I have had good results.
That is quite illuminating. The "lights" in my mind just clicked on. Hmm.
You're a fountain of hilarious samples for silly techno music. "NASAL PROBE"
Edit: "High Power Nasal Probe"
In this video Big Clive basically becomes the electronics version of Bob Ross
LED's, everyone knows you need to use magnets and copper to fix your health problems :)
Nonsense, that's all a scam.
What you really need is pyramids, or crystals. Both if you have cancer or something.
Or pyramids filled with copper wire and sparkly things....
Look up Orgone Generator....prepare to be amazed. O.o
Spikey, I made a 2" one. Bits and pieces of every small metal cutoffs, shavings, even miniature springs, I could find, and filled the mold with epoxy. It looks fabulous. Does it do anything? Of course not, but I had some clear epoxy that was going bad, and said; Hey, why not.
LED illuminated copper pyramid with magnets glued to the corners sitting on a bed of crystals! I think I discovered the fountain of youth!
you forget to put main voltage at the outside of the pyramid, is more fun..... for those with aluminum hat.
Clive I love it when you make videos where you solder. I always notice by the way you talk during the job that you find it very relaxing. EDIT: right after I wrote this comment I proceeded watching your video and you said it yourself LOL
After watching a bunch of his videos, soldering started to get me calmed down and relaxed. And I even sometimes talk to Clive in my mind during those times. ;D
So basically I could just shine the bottom of my bluetooth mouse up my nose and heal my allergies?! Thanks for the lifehack Clive!! 😁
For halloween, stick these up your nose and then turn the lights out. Oh no, it's GLOWNOSE! (Maybe I'm thinking of Christmas. Can you pull a sleigh?)
Nah. But I really want to build a set of glowing teeth like the rammstein dude had. Awesome stuff.
"Not making much of an effort." You crack me up. How do you all have such skill with language?
The black box chip is likely a $0.40 programmable microcontroller. A 555 would be $0.10 in itself and would still need software support.
These are really fun to play with. As well as very versatile.
This is a brilliant DIY, now I'm into an alternative design for other body holes.
I'm so glad I got to see this video.
Well, you've really boogered up THAT project, BigClive!
I like these strange devices. Keep the great videos en route. 👍🏻
Wait a minute...isn't there a product full of red leds "of a specific wavelength" used on the scalp to help regrow hair? Doesn't that mean this nose probe product will cause your nostril hair to grow and wouldn't that INCREASE your congestion? Perhaps the intent is that the extra hair in your nose will act as a better filter preventing the pollen from going deep enough to cause your allergies to flare up.
lol
John Howard So what you're saying is that neither of the red light products actually do what they say? lol
So have tiger penis, q-ray bracelets and uranium laced water. Lol Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't stand in the way of someone jamming these up their nose but I have to think that it's more about scamming the gullible and uneducated than actual medicine. Now...where did I put my tiger penis?
It doesn’t change your genes just makes your cells function better. It boosts healing so if there was supposed to be hair there it will make the hair better if no hair already there that is supposed to be longer and wider then no it will not create a hair folical
"Unless of course a bear pulls it apart, in which case everything just breaks explosively." -Big Clive 2017
Yes, I do make stuff ! 3D printers, armour ( real armour!) I've got a lathe, welding and forging equipment, I've made a silent airbrush compressor, I do casting resins etc, etc... I've made a mini circular saw table from an old food processor. I make a lot and it makes me feel alive.
I suffer with bad hayfever, so bad my eyes are itching now even though it's 1AM and i'm indoors.
I recall being bought one of these many years ago, around 2007, branded as Lloyds pharmacy and at the time it was very expensive, about £50.
I used it for a number of months and it made a slight difference, although i'm not sure if that was genuine or if it was just the "placebo effect".
Incredibly you can now buy a very similar device for less than £5.
Reminds me of the eye stalks on the robot hector on the old sci-fi film Saturn 5
At 28:00 "ready for nostril insertion" had me shrieking with joy. LOL.
I love quack devices. Last year my wife and I had a very entertaining evening when someone tried to sell us one of those devices that detox you through your feet, or a course of treatment with the same. Tied them up for a couple of hours. They had rented a couple of rooms in a council owned building and claimed to be working for the Portuguese equivalent of the NHS!
Stephen Cook those foot pads turn black when there exposed to body heat there not drawing actual toxins out
The only difference is that light therapy (660nm) is not quackery.
It's 2am and instead of going to bed, I'm watching Clive review a couple of red LEDs you're supposed to cram up your schnozz. *FML*
Score zero for efficiency, start with a 9v battery, throw half the voltage away (with a regulator the will draw quiescent current), then throw another half the voltage away.
PS. I was close with my guess, I though it would contain a blob, so unspecified 8 pin is close to that
pe1dnn Doesn't switching need an inductor though
Was wondering... is that a callsign .... QRZ?
They could at least have run the LEDs in series, for double the battery life.
pizzablender
Not if you want to drive the two series LEDs directly from the output of the 4V mystery chip.
I'm a bit disappointed that Big Clive didn't show either the Chinese knockoff nor his homemade version in his nose.
"Optical Naser" I think you're on to something there!
hey bigclive the blown up image of the board is super helpful for learning. do that more!
21:28 you gonna stick this up to your nose theoretically...
Or elsewhere 😯ou 🤣🤣🤣
I just... Can't 🤣🤣🤣
Big Clive Gets A Nasal Probe
Years ago, when the 100 mm cigarettes came out, Chesterfield came out with the Chesterfield 101's Their jingle had in it, the words "Just a silly millimeter longer!" that springs to mind every time you come out with anything about the mm, just thought I would make that silly comment. Oh in the Television adds they showed smokers getting their Chesterfield 101's caught in the elevator door, slamming the windows on them and bumping into things because of that silly mm.
Why did they use a pp3 and not 3 (or 4, perhaps) AAAs? Nowadays pp3s are much less common, and relatively much more expensive, and that extra 4 or 5V gives the regulator much more work to do. In fact I guess you wouldn't need a regulator at all using three common 1.5V cells.
Well, they don't have to pay for the battery, the buyer does. But it's still odd that they didn't just specify 3 AAA cells, which would give almost exactly the same voltage the regulator outputs. My guess is that the microcontroller can't handle the variation in voltage between charged and discharged cells, so they decided to use a regulator, but it has a minimum voltage drop that necessitated the 9v battery.
I've got a name for your nose-lighter. "Rudolph doesn't do @!#%!"
There are mini ionisers you can hang from a necklace under your face - that's at least got a decent sounding explanation for why it should help hayfever sufferers. They've got built in rechargeable batteries so there's presumably more going on inside the box electronically speaking.
Ah yes! The old "Tip" and "Ring" takes me back to the now defunct South East Asia Signal School in Long Bien Vietnam, just outside old Saigon, the two sides of the phone line coming into the ancient Waco 500 Rotary Dial Telephone. You see, they sent us over to Nam after training us to use the field equipment, such as the TA312 telephone, a hand generated ring with two D cells furnishing talk power back to either another field phone, or a Switchboard, the most common being the SB 22 (I think) and the SB 86 (I know, used two of those tied together for CRANE Switchboard in Dong Ba Thin, near Cam Rahn Bay (well on the Bay, but not in the camp, across the bay actually!) So at any rate, when we arrived at the Headquarters of the 18th Engineer Brigade, we found that they had changed from the field phones to the "NEW" rotary telephones, the Western Electric 500 series. Now the dials didn't do a damn thing but piss off we who operated the switchboard, as it made the eye displays go bonkers every time some asshole tried to dial home, but at any rate, not having been trained in the installation of the Waco 500 telephone, they sent us down country to that school to learn how to hook up the stupid wires to the damn phone, like we couldn't have figured that our on our own, well I take that back, I did know some idiots who could not have I guess. I was lucky though, they sent me down over Christmas of 1970, so I got to go to the Bob Hope Show at Long Bien, man that was a cool show for a kid such as me, having never seen anyone more famous then our Commanding General, who was so laid back that nobody knew his name. At any rate, the Tip and Ring were, of course the two sides of the phone line.
Yes, I do ramble on like this in person as well, just ask the wife, she will explain it to you in one million words or less. Perhaps that is why I ramble on, can't get a damn word in crosswise when the good wife of 48 years is in the room.
I was thinking the same thing, the apparatus is just for power and the led for nasal is the only thing that we need, I don't have any idea about "resistors", my question is: can I just connect it on a standard cable phone charger like the one you used so that I won't have to buy 9 volt batteries which quite a hassle? thank you for this video...
Amazing finger dexterity. Remind me NOT to invite you out for Chinese dinner, as two pair of chopstix per hand would enable you to finish the whole meal before I could fumble a single eggroll into my gob...enjoy your vids always.
A couple of years ago I read a paper on a scientist at NASA that was doing research on ways of growing food in space. He discovered using the Red LED's worked along with blue to take the place of high current grow lights. Along the same time a Russian scientist found red LEDs actually helped in healing wounds faster, helped circulation, reduced swelling and more. Commercial units are expensive. I could not afford one. So I tested using a cheep eBay 10 watt RGB flood. You did a video on the 10watt flood. Used only the Red and held it on my arthritic knees for about 30 min each. The next morning, my knees actually felt better. I now use it about 1 to 2 times a week. It actually helps in swelling, pain, and mobility. It's not psychosomatic because swelling will go from the size of a cantaloupe down to normal by the next morning. More so than they would by not using it. I feel there is some validity in the red LED used for healing. Just saying
If you wanted higher output you could fit an all red LED into a standard floodlight.
"It feels like LED's stuck up my nose" hahaha
If you are finished playing Rudolf .... :-D
I suspect the DELUXE model uses the extra output from the mystery chip and the 2nd channel on the 'headphone' jack to run the massage?? Not only would that tickle your nose, but the ladies will LOVE it!!
Your mystery MCU might be one of the ATtiny family. If you get the time then maybe try desoldering one and see if it responds to programming commands from something cheap like the USBASP.
I'm not familiar with that product, but it does work if it is 660nm.
I have a black light pen (395nm), and a brand name red therapy LED bulb (660nm).
And they do work. It sounds insane to hear that "light heals", but it is NCBI PubMed researched clinical data.
I had a nasty ear infection (swimmer's ear infection) that I killed, and treated in less than a week; I shone the 395nm light inside my ear cannal to kill the bacteria, and pathogens for less than a minute.
After that, I proceeded to shine the 660nm bulb right next to my ear for 10 minutes to reduce inflammation, accelerate tissue and cell healing.
Thus being said, my ear infection lasted for about 4 days (swelling), and on the 7 day all of the puss was draining out.
The question is - is it possible that the unused pin on the MCU does actually use PWM?
So, originally the pin in use now would still go High when the timer is running, and they were using PWM on the second pin to increase the total drive current?
Maybe they pinched the chip from a different product, as it was easier / quicker than re-programming them?
(or, even more likely - it's a One-Time-Programmable IC, which are generally cheaper?)
I was hoping to see Clive's Oscilloscope appear during the vid. (not a euphemism, btw. :p )
But yeah, very bizarre to go to the extra effort of drilling that track, when the two signals from the MCU a presumably still separate beneath the solder blob?
Is it possible they were trying to use both Output pins in parallel originally? Still very weird to not just remove the solder blob?
I like that heat shrink stretching trick.
Love the channel, was wondering if you could compare an estimate of cost for the board/parts vs the price on eBay. It would be interesting to know the markup on some of these 30$ units
If you want to make the DIY version even simpler, there are "5V" LEDs on the market with the current limiting resistor built in. For example at DigiKey: www.digikey.com/products/en/optoelectronics/led-indication-discrete/105?k=&pkeyword=&pv319=33&FV=ffe00069&mnonly=0&page=1&stock=1&nstock=1
I also use these LEDs for simple indicators on µC development boards (like arduino). The small ones have a leg spacing of just about 0.1" so I drop one into two adjacent I/O pins. Cathode output LOW, and anode is my debugging signal LED.
Anyone in the mood to sing along? "Big Clive, the red-nosed reindeer..."
As UV is supposed to kill some bacteria and mould, wouldn't UV leds be less snake oil?
UV might actually have a medical effect and or harmful sideeffects can't sell that then
Evil from evilution well.. UV can deform your DNA too
UV is ionizing radiation - which is why you get a sunburn. You would not want to get a sunburn inside your nose. It kills bacteria and mold the same way it kills your skin cells.
UV is a broad term. spectrally speaking. There's UV that will give you cancer, and UV that's absolutely fine.
I think you can't get the dangerous kind of UV from LEDs, you need a mercury vapor lamp for that.
Replace the LEDs with some powerful UV lights and power it appropriately. I dunno about medical benefits, but perhaps if you also shove in some seeds you could grow some plants in there.. :P
Make your nose hair grow better, kinda like the caps with red lights for stimulating hair growth. Better filtration with a hairy nose!
I so hope to see a new unit soon which is powered directly from the mains to the LEDs with no transformers or such sillyness. The nasal cure of DOOM I shall call it!
He”s now into nasal stimulation lolol XD Just messing. You cease to amaze
Is there a body orifice the Chinese don't make something to shove into?
You should make a hybrid from this nasal thing with the HV taser capacitor, the results could be entertaining.
Or, a battery-powered Tesla coil HV / HF generator (Slayer exciter)? If nothing else, the UV resulting from the intranasal arcing would kill off many unwelcome visitors??
I tell you what great therapy for aching joints , I love my light therapy device. Twenty minutes on my knee and I get about an hour of complete relief. Usually enough to get to sleep without pain.
Great therapy for my aching joints is to smoke a joint. I get at least 3 hours of no pain, I get to eat new and interesting things, and I get to sleep fantastically, all the while knowing I didn't give my money to a corporation that makes their living making and selling quack medical devices.
As a hayfever sufferer I can actually confirm that this did work and stopped the sneezing and running nose symptoms
Seeing as how the regulator and other bits are always in circuit, can you confirm how much power it may consume when idle?
You're right about blocking the 'inlet' for a while help if you got hay fever. The swelling in sinuses get lesser. Your products looks better because the leds not share the same resistor, but you could have saved 5 cent if the led was in series with a 50 ohms resistor. :-)
Should use one of the shitty pink USB chargers with the capacitive droppers for extra excitement.
Thanks Clive
Aahahhahahahahaaahah 1:02 imagine being that model 🤣🤣🤣
No massage "Unless you ram it in and out of your nose", "Unless it's glued shut, in which case it's going to violent" -- god, man, you're killing me....
They just keep coming, this is one of your best!
I'd guess the drilled trace mod and 1K pilot dropper are just to extend battery life (as dropping the intensity doesn't drop theraputic effectiveness 'much' - there's not much down from 0). Customer don't want their nasal therapy to eat expensive 9v batteries...
I see one flaw to your design, the LEDs may get a tad warm @ 20ma for nasal "therapy", but then again, maybe that's the infrared supplemental therapy feature of the BC Snoz-o-matic??
If you run across a LED hemorrhoid therapy device at a yard sale, steer clear....
Your Poundland appears to have a very large and diverse selection of goods. Our dollar stores do not compare.
I've seen the UV nose blasting machines used for medical purposes, but I've never heard of these red ones. Can't say I'm ever convinced, you know. ;D
That woman in the product photo about a minute in looks worryingly pleased to have things shoved up her nose.
... What 🤣
I cannot comprehend this thing 🤣
I laughed my A@# off hearing talk about this thing "Stick it up my nose" Who would even believe such a thing like this would work?
I'm pretty sure there's still no credible research confirming this kind of therapy works, to this day.
As spooky eyes they are definitely much better!
Maybe that other resistor position was for pulse mode (another push of the button) but they failed at programming.
Not just for halloween, but for christmas too, you could be rudolph :D
..... Very helpful, thank you.
What if all the aliens want is to probe our noses
Turn yourself into Rudolph the reindeer - starting kit