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I think another important point that I forgot to mention in the video is that even if the Viffing worked in real life there would almost always be an enemy wingman near by who would have a hard time believing his luck at the sight of a stalled out or near zero speed Harrier in front of him for an easy fox2 or gun kill. So in that sense Viffing is very similar in concept and application to the Cobra at least thats my 2 cents, ok guys thanks for watching and a big thank you to shotgun for helping out with this video.
GS can you do a video on Su-35 vs. F-35B to compare supermaneuvrability and VIFF'ing? I'd like to see what happens.
Do f 22 vs harrier
Mosquito VS Pucara 👍
i think that the only useful (and desparate) scenario is the first. the other 2 didn't make any sense..
VIFFing.... The Harrier would use a rolling barrel roll to make the Mirages over shoot. It worked and the Harriers got kills against the Mirages. But they eventually figured out that if you go full speed and boom (shoot at the Harrier) then Zoom (Afterburners full speed to escape) the Harriers could not get a good chance to shoot.
Which brings up a question, would the F22 and or the F35 fight against a Harrier, who would win?
"that's unusual behavior for an aircraft."
Ace combat players: Did he just say unusual?
Those Belkans are up to something again
I just saw somebody drifting a F22 backward through a tunnel in ace combat😳 that's... unusual behavior for an aircraft...
Hhahahaha I know the feeling
@@sohrabroozbahani4700 vbcfbhu, the god of Ace Combat 7
@@lonniebailey4989 it's time
you should do the A-10 vs the mosquito, both have relitivly tight turns and could make for an interesting dogfight.
A10 can just climb and turn, shouldn't be an issue.
@@andrewcharlton4053 thats the same thing he said about the p47 when he flew it against the A-10 but the p-47 did really well.
A-10 vital areas proof against. 303.
@@zach6076 no, whenever he flew the A-10 the prop didnt stand a chance ... the only time prop won was when the A-10 pilot literally flushed his brain down the toilet and started horizontal turning wit the prop ...
@@zach6076 I'd argue the A-10 didn't fly to it's strengths but *shrugs*. The A-10 should just maximise the vertical in every dogfight vs props imo
GS-have a friend who was a Harrier pilot w USMC and sent him your vid.
His response: Good discussion. The VIFF’ing to the extent the article talked about was really more defensive but could be effective if the other airplane tried to be greedy. I once went against 2 F16’s and used a high g barrel roll combined with a braking stop VIFF(nozzles actually 17 degrees forward of vertical) and slowed from 540kts to about 210kts in one barrel roll and watched the F16 slide about 40’ beside and in front of me before I stuck the gunsight on the pilot’s helmet and took some gun camera film of him trying to get away from the predicament all the while his partner trying to get separated to get his shot though he couldn’t since we were so close. Of course I would have been a sitting duck after shooting the one since I was slow and out of energy without an afterburner. Fun watching that F16 pilot looking at me helplessly as he slid by my wing and watched me start tracking with the gunsight. It was not totally the nozzles that gave the airplane control at slow speeds. When you dropped the nozzles the reaction controls were energized from engine bleed air which helped you to control the airplane in slow flight and in the hover. In fact you had to be careful not to over control when you put in the nozzles because you could depart from controlled flight which gave you an exciting ride and basically took you out of the fight making you a target…
VIFFING in real life just extends your life for a few seconds more. Was done to us during an exercise in the North Atlantic. Got the Harrier out of plane while we were lining up a gun kill in a right turn. Harrier had only one way to go after VIFFING... down. Pilot recognized VIFF, rolled wings level pull hard vertically, full burner, performed a hard roll to the left into a rolling re-attack, got a dogfight mode lock, pilot pushed SEAM lock button, AIM-9 screamed, sim FOX 2, dead Harrier. OBTW, we were in an F-14B. Kitty was purring.
Is it considered a "desperation manuver" (if there is such a thing)? Curious when or if one would be taught to apply it, under what conditions...
With the thrust to weight ration of most 4th gen fighters, going vertical against slow harrier is a nobrainer, as WAPING (wiffing) will not help him to pull his nose up.
Tomcat, Mig29, Flanker, you name it. All of them have speed and thrust to weight advantage and steep corkscrew climb in a dogfight will negate any Waping harrier will do.
However, any plane with similar power to weight and wing loading to harrier will be in big trouble, like the F5 here.
@@TagW110 If, in the real world, you are fighting F-5s, F-86s, F-100s, MiG-15s, MiG-17s and their ilk, no it wouldn't be a 'desperation' maneuver. But, one immutable fact of physics is, when VIFFING is utilized, energy is bled off to the point only one option is available to gain energy back. That option is to go down in altitude. The Harrier is a very good accelerating plane, but not that good. A pilot worth his salt would understand a Harrier has the capability of VIFFING, and would utilize his planes energy addition capability to stay away from the Harriers nose and then use the aircrafts abilities to reattack and make a quick kill of the Harrier. So, to most fighters of the 70's to 80's and beyond, yes, it is a desperation move. The Harrier was NEVER designed as a maneuvering type of fighter, but politically pressed into that role. Since the Harrier was pressed into that role, you have to give pilots every tool possible to employ. Because there is a saying in the military in general and is applied immensely frequently in air combat in particular - "Sometimes, it's better to be lucky than good."
@@DeusExWolksvagen Wouldn't that be very dangerous if the Harrier still has a missile? If it's guns only then yeah. But when does that happen outside of DCS?
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And now even you can be extremely disrespectful with hovering over the ejected enemy with AV-8 and its maneuvers. 😂
Why hello there! This this the VIFFing Brit and today I'll be showing you some lovely exploits you can pull off in DCS...
VIFFing is perfectly balanced
It amazes me that ppl watch the exact same shit as me
There is an interesting section in CDR Sharkey Wards book, Sea Harrier Over the Falklands. Prior to going to war he talks about a DACT brief either against Eagles or F-5's (been a while since I read it) where he describes in detail the tactics where VIFFing would be used to both deny IR missile shots by hiding the exhaust under their wing and to gain an advantage by using some sort of high G braking roll to force an overshoot.
And for the record, VIFFing was not used in the Falklands because fully developed dogfights NEVER happened. Argentine pilots were ordered to avoid dogfights so tried to run away as soon as they realized there were Sea Harriers in the area. All of the Sea Harrier kills were achieved by rolling onto their six for a fox 2 kill or in three cases, a guns track.
Watched an interview with an faa sea harrier pilot years back, and he said viffing was basically useless, and rotating the nozzles past 40 degrees from horizontal just bled all the aircrafts energy very quickly. He said only advantage to viffing at all, was reducing heat sig from behind
As a harrier main in dcs i can say viffing is really, really useful when fighting. The harrier can out fight the f16, su27, tomcat, viggen, f5, mig21 and can give the mirrage and f18 a run for their money if you control the fight.
that's what the F-35, is for.
The VIFF can be quite useful for slowing down and if the fight gets very slow. That said it doesn't save the Harrier from being poor at AA in general.
@@agdgdgwngo maybe its poor in your mind due to lack of missile range, but the low RCS and the best rwr in the game allows you to reel them into the merge where the harrier is real nice
@Conker4 I think in real life Harriers have a huge frontal RCS due to engine fan which is not shielded. AFAIK DCS has just one unique value for the RCS and is not simulating RCS depending on the aspect.
@@slowhornet4802 yea but in dcs you just line up the rwr to the 90 or 270 at any speed and you have a nice easy notch
Ngl if the harrier had 2D thrust vectoring in the rear ducts that shit would be epic.
It does.
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They're just getting tips for their falcon avoidance.
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@@debbiestimac5175 That's pretty awesome actually! I never saw birds of prey at home, just angry big territorial songbirds scaring away the smaller ones.
He hit the brakes and you flew right by
I have never heard of VIFFing before. That’s interesting to know and see how it applies in DCS World, even if I have no gaming rig to play DCS on.
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@@AdamWalkLikeSuicide So, for someone looking to get into DCS, literally from zero. No PC, No Hotas, nothing. What's the grand total for finally being able to climb into that virtual cockpit? Say, with a fairly powerful setup...
It was Black Friday 2017 when I built my PC, In total I've spent about £1500-£2000. The variable because of upgrades I'd concider none essential for DCS.
@@majesticpbjcat7707 You don't need to go overboard... but if you're looking for a nice setup, you're going to need a gaming PC, best specs possible. Then you'll need VR, and best possible controllers (HOTAS & pedals). I have a Pimax 5k+ and Virpil controls. Roughly 2 year-old PC beast now, with 9900K and 2080ti.
Total of about $7-8K AUD. That gets you more than just a DCS machine though - it's still expensive, but not near a new car.
Of course, after that you have to start buying the DCS aircraft and map modules to really rip. And working those amazing planes/choppers is no easy process - you'll have to learn how each operates. If you have the time and energy for that, it actually works out as a pretty cheap hobby.
Also, don't forget to grab il-2 while you're at it, the flying circus modules in particular are relatively simple to fly and you learn a lot about dogfights/energy in the process. (Plus, of course, the rig was built for this kind of thing).
@@Taurencowpew oh yeah, I've looked into all of that. I have a good buddy that lives building PCs and really knows his stuff. It's gonna be a whole before I get totally setup anyways. Gotta build a new house here pretty soon. Thanks for the recommendations though! Oh yeah, I meant to purchase a bunch of the IL2 stuff last week when it was marked down but I was so busy I totally missed it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I know you said you don't want to do tacview every time but it would be cool if when you did tacview you had the other pilot with you and he talks about what he was attempting and what he saw and you 2 go back and forth.
This would be highly appreciated 🙏 and highly educational to people like me who are only novices in piloting and dogfighting.
The Royal Navy's Fleet Air Arm (FAA) Sqn 809 had the fighter Variant that made most of the Falkland kills. Harrier 809 by Rowland White would be an interesting read.
Great book with detailed combat descriptions.
I think during the Falkland war there was not much dog fighting. Harriers were more acting like interceptors.
@@slowhornet4802 All the kills were within visual range using the AIM9 and guns (Pucara). There was certainly combat maneuvering but not exactly extended dogfights.
@@accidentalactivist9633 Well, that will be a relief to those Argentinian pilots shot down so quickly that it wasn't a dogfight ....
F^ck.
I was drinking a soda and heard “today were going to try a concept called ‘yiffing’ “ and almost choked trying not to laugh
6:32
HE DID THAT FOR THE LOLZ
6:43
WOW . . . THE ENTIRE F-5 DETONATED
In 1982, me and my high school mates ran around the playground, arms out stretched. Harriers vs Mirages. We knew the Harrier would win.
You are right. The harrier was our nightmare in Malvinas/Falklands War.
I'm argentinean
@@axelcenal6708 your pilots are incredibly brave, flying so low and fast.
@@tommiatkins3443 thank you. nice to hear an English saying that
Or... not the RAF, but the RN. Seeing as how the RAF used Harriers for ground attack, and it was the RN which used them for air cover.
I used to work with someone who claimed his father was in the Falklands flying Harriers (he himself was ex-military so I believe that bit), and that he had gun camera footage of him essentially VIFFing in combat. But I never saw it myself
That map of Adana is surprisingly accurate in tacview.
VIFFing, or in GS terminology: "Harrier Garbage".
That term is kinda polite. It could have been worse.
John Fozard lead engineer on the Harrier was born half a mile from where I live. A Great Yorkshireman!
Really cool vid, been flying the Harrier a ton recently after the 18 and 16 and absolutely loving it at the moment!
He did the "Harrier garbage" again.
Keeping in mind what you said about real life applications, it would be interesting to see how would a Harrier fare against SU-27
The harrier wins the fight 9/10 times
@@conker4311 If you expect some clown fight with the Su-27 doing cobra every time the harrier VIFFs then yes you are absolutely right.
But if Su-27 pilot knows what it's doing and ignore the urge to do stupid things the harrier is more than likely to lose. No amount of VIFF can cancel out the TW ratio and aerodynamics disadvantage.
@@UNSF exactly. I would like to see two guys who know capabilities of their airframes duke it out in say, 5 rounds ;)
Flanker wax the Harrier from BVR, no contest.
@@UNSF i expect the pilot to do normal things... Im just speaking from personal experiance. I have flow head to head against some of the best flanker pilots in the game and have given them real problems, in bvr the harrier can just notch everything real easy and the flankers ir weapons are flared real easy and when it comes to the merge the flanker is really screwed, if he rates i radius fight and win, so thats a no go, if he gets slow a dirty with me in the radius i have a better thrust to drag to lift ratio and have control of the fight. At the end of the day this is just what i have experiance while flying the harrier.
The harrier is actually a really cool aircraft. When I was in Afghanistan we got into a small skirmish with some Taliban. We were walking on the side of this ridge line trying to sneak up on the small remaining element of them. A British Harrier flashed by BENEATH us, also headed towards the taliban. The three things I took out of that were that we were way too fucking high up on the ridge, the Harrier is faster than I thought, and thank god we’re probably done fighting for the day now. Needless to say, our squad leader reported that “our services were no longer needed” and we went back to the fire base. I think I remember the JTAC/TACP saying the harrier pilot was a female but I’m not sure.
british night witches
Female pilot=Martyrdom Fail>72 Virgins denied
this is why I love the Harrier. Also, I've never seen the video footage of the older GR.1/3 viffing before, that's awesome
I remember as a child growing up in the UK, the news on TV proudly showing us how the Harrier would do this and help us win the Falklands war.
surprise the media lied lol.
Missed opportunity for title “how to harrier garbage”
I was just wondering yesterday if there's any gameplays out there of the Harrier in DCS.....and here you are today!
VIFFing in a dogfight is much better than yiffing in a dogfight
hey, it is interesting how viffing works, keep up with great work!!! I wouldn't be surprised if the f-35b can do such a maneuver.
The issue with the F35 is the front turbo fan. At any amount of forward speed there would be little to no air going into it, and the cover on the top of the fuselage is essentially an air break when open.
I’m pretty sure the RN Sea Harriers viffed the crap out of usaf f-15s in the very early 1980s unless I’m mistaken.
LOL - "There it is..." - POP!
The harrier in Aero Elite Combat Academy on PS2 20 years ago 😁
Very educative video, thanks!!!! Whish there was available the radar version of the Harrier.
Yeah but it has only sidewinders anyway. Now it at least has night vision which is also cool.
@@ATP-Flo the radar version AV-8B+ has AMRAAMs.
2020 harrier 2 plus with fox 3, hobs and datalink would break the game if it had the same rwr as the current harrier, would be too good lol
Your channel is so much better than the grim reapers.
Am I the only one who saw the smiley face when the F-5 exploded?😂
Viff is king with the Hydra in GTAsa
Even though War Thunder is a wildly different game and I don't play it anymore, I used VIFFing in the Harrier to tighten up my circles to get nose on. I never knew it was a recorded tactic though.
If you think about it, VIFFing is just a horrible tradeoff in any extended fight. You have a wing which has a lift to drag ratio above 1 (most of the time) which means so long as it isn't stalled it can "multiply" forward thrust to give lift greater than the thrust (thrust = drag in a sustained fight). When you're VIFFing you're basically giving up the multiplying effect to rely on thrust alone to push you along your lift vector, so your turn performance on average over a long duration is going to suffer.
Fits well w the descriptions of VIFFing as a last ditch maneuver that bleeds all your speed
This jet should of been designed with this, have the two nozzles stay for propulsion and have the other two for this type of thing, with the rear two off propulsion and pointing down thats going to force a nose down, while if you leave the back on propulsion and front off it will nose up.. they could of implemented this, throwing all 4 off thrust i read a report the first pilot who did it did it essentially by accident and dropped from like 600 to 200 km airspeed so fast he broke his nose lol. There should be able to way to control the forward and rear thrust points independantly if need be, or imagine if all 4 were able to move on there own on sort of a flybywire or electronic system, rather than throwing all 4 nozzles in the same direction.
After seeing this, I really do wonder how an experienced Harrier pilot would fare against a more modern fighter than the F5 .
Thrust vectoring in dogfights is really fun though!
Fascinating
As far as I'm aware, VFFing is like the Cobra in that yes, it has a 1% chance of lining up.
But just like the Cobra it's a last ditch maneuver, you're left in a low energy state and the other guy's wingman will probably kill you.
Ask the British how Viffing worked out for them. No Harrier's lost to enemy aircraft.
Would be mildly interested in a harrier vs. fighting falcon.
The f16 gets rekt by the harrier
@@conker4311 How is that?
@@ptroinks the harrier can cash in more energy, then when you are slower you can just radius fight the 16, i will need to see what the new fm changes have done, but, wether it was a dogfight server or a bfm server, 1v1 i usually come out on top in my harrier
"...So I got my buddy Shotgun..."
Haven't watched the whole video yet, but that certainly got my attention...
More Harrier content is always good!
And now that VIFFing got the Growly verdict along with the Cobra, all that's left now is the J-turn..
Harriers used "viffing" in the 1982 Falklands war to great effect against the Mirages. Mirages frequently were forced to overshoot the Harriers when they viffed, harriers took many Argentinian aircraft out this way.
I'd love an actual source for this statement, when it's been disproved often. Falklands was the result of better training and conditions mostly, viffing wasn't needed - and wasn't used.
ya they didn't use Viffing in the falklands this was media misinformation probably used to boost public morale like "don't worry we have a secret weapon" truth is Viffing is the Sister of the Cobra....mostly useless in a real dogfight.
@@GrowlingSidewinder I do not see how it can be "mostly useless" in a real dogfight, thats got to be " limited ability" ? 2D rotation of thrust should be a game changer?
It is a good way to lose all your energy quickly. Which is a thing you generally dont want.
@@walterblanc9708 if you don’t get the kill after VIFFing you’re low and slow - dead. If the enemy plane has a wingman, you’re dead. It’s just not practical in the vast majority of situations.
Harrier vs. a Mirage using VFFing. That should be really interesting
VIFFing will certainly ruin a marriage. 🙄
@@MrDino1953 lol. I just realized my mistake..I had my keyboard in French so it autocorrected to the French word for marriage
Also the barriers went a against f16s and slightly pull the vectors back to about 20 degrees a few times which takes a few degrees off the turn rate and can take out the f16 bay turn without looking energy and get the kill. Watch John parks harrie R interview
Your friend shotgun seems to be one hell of a pilot !
honestly makes me want to put time into the harrier module. ED should pay GS for advertisements because I always end up wanting to try different modules because of him lmao
I feel like with modern computers and fly by wire you could actually find the best angle at a given thrust:speed to minimize turn radii
Very interesting.
I remember the actual war, watching it on Australian TV as a new immigrant back in 1982. That was the first time I heard the term "Viffing" on the news. I don't recall seeing any Marines in that battle.
Royal marines were there big time, Almost all of them!!!
Hooray we a Tac View!
If you know the other plane has a much better turn rate, you either go fast and disengage to come back in or go fight in the vertical.
He has fox2s that doesn’t work if u get too fast he’ll give u the separation and fox2 ur ass
"I could end this with a sidewinder, but I'll prolong your embarrasment with cannons... ok, bored now."
Pretty sweet actually
so viffing falls into the category of "well, if you have nothing better to do its more effective than ejecting" types of manoeuvres, and considering the harrier is not exactly the most agile fighter ever since its a god damn brick with some very scary weapons, potentially useful in a 1% of scenarios kind of way is good enough for me
Could you fly the f-16 again? Apparently it got some improvements for bfm in the last patch. Love your videos.
Did LS do the hover and grin on you again? 😄 I like this documentary content. It's very interesting... and I'm still wondering what happened to the Hind documentary video.
"there it is" BAM -RIP :))
On the next sale, i am definitely getting the Harrier. Such a cool jet.
could you make a video talking about the F16 fm changes, I dont think they changed a whole lot and there is still more to come, but It would be cool to see the difference
They really WIFFED that...
Just a question is the f14 worth the money cause soon im getting a joystick and also getting a bit borred of sukhoi 33?
The tactical advantage of viffing is to create doubt in the mind of your opponent as to what you can and will do in the air .... you don't actually need to use it for it to have an effect.
But it helps if you do, turns doubt to, holy fucking shit he is on my 6, real fast
The Harrier.... The Bumblebee of airplanes....
I have only heard of Viffing and don't own the AV-8B. Cool Video.
6:38 lol
7:41 awwwwwwwwww sad face Tacview
Mosquito VS Pucara 👍👍
From hearing an RAF Sea Harrier pilot describe the use of VIFF in combat practice your opponent was using far too much nozzle angle. The optimum angle was 10 degrees to provide a much improved rate of turn.
USMC worked that one out when they looked into using the AV-8A for air defence use. Use of small nozzle angle changes for very short periods in a turn reduced the wing loading without bleeding off too much speed and allowed the aircraft to pull turn manoeuvres that on paper were impossible.
@@richardvernon317 SHAR predated the AV8A by some margin, so more likely they were told by Hawkers well before the USMC started the AV8A programme...
@@theflyingfool Bollocks, Sea Harrier program started in 1971/2, full scale development not approved until 1975. AV-8A operational with USMC in 1971!!! Learn to COUNT!!!!!
In the Harrier vs Viggen vid did the pilot do it successfully?
I first encountered viffing in the Area 88 anime.
dude cant wait for new videos from pak
When I was in HS I worked at a car wash. The girl driving a car I got in to clean the interior of had Viffed before she got out of the car. Let me tell you there isn't any way to defend against that. That was some Major Disrespect.
i have used VIFFing against MiG-29s, Su-27s, F-16s and F-18s and won multiple times, if used correctly VIFFing is a very useful tactic
Point of correction at 11:02 - most of the Air combat and 3/4 of the Harriers in the Falklands were under the command of the Fleet Air Arm not the Royal Air Force (I.e. the Royal Navy's air wing)
/pedant
Harrier ❤🙏
There it is.....booom!
I've been struggling to fly the harrier in dog fights, I seem to lose controlled flight pretty quickly. My nose pulls away from my current course increasing AOA, and then the nose spins around the course. eventually ripping my wing off. I might be subconsiously introducing rudder while pulling G maneuvers.
you're probably pulling too hard or are pulling the nozzles too far back, as the nose spinning is usually a cause of overloading Gs
When dogfighting in dcs in the harrier the nosels are your friend, as you pull more aoa slowly bring the nosels into play, this helps prevent wing stall and when you do stall you will have the air jets activated (after 20% viff) and with rudder you can nearly pull full stick down to sub 200 knots
@@conker4311 @The Arctic Foxxo Thank you both! just need more practice.
I don't remember the actual "textbook" number but don't go over 13-14 deg AoA. You should pull little but steadily.
You should try again with the Mirage.
You're badass dude
YOU GOTTA FLY THE STARFIGHTER!!!
They realesed a mod of a F-104 Starfighter not too long ago
To bad that there is no F-104 for that sim
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Niceeeee
I think I read in the comments of another Harrier video that doing this too much messages the plane's structural integrity or at least requires added post-flight checks?
Next dogfight should be Apache vs F 16
Would love to see a Harrier v Harrier!
It not only works but a pilot call sigh " Mac " flying an F22 in war games off Okinawan got Vifed by a Harrier. I'll try to case down the story. It was confirmed by both pilots post training. One in 100 chance of working, but would you want to be that 1 in 100?
You shouldn't get away from tac view reviews, that's the best part of your videos. Maybe not do every fight, but do many. Lately it seems you've gotten away from doing it with your new focus on WWII stuff. I think it would have been interesting to see some Mosquito in TacView to get a sense of its performance.
That will come but the move away from tacview was because I was repeating things we’d already covered 500 times in other videos it just didn’t make sense to continue doing it especially since I can see the analytics most people aren’t actually watching the tacview lol. Hard to justify its existence outside of new scenarios
@@GrowlingSidewinder How bout a compromise? Post Tacviews and link em? Maybe don't expend any effort on the tacview review beyond what you need to get them hosted?
It feels like a shame people aren't watching your tacviews when most everyone does acknowledge you're an excellent dogfighter. That feels like the best way to learn from you.
@@GrowlingSidewinder I dont think I added to that statistics. But certainly I used to watch the tacview segments a lot more attentively when back then every time it was a new kind of fight. Rather, since I don't own DCS, it'd be hard to understand the fight back then without watching the tacview segments attentively. Things evolved over time.
I use this in warthunder on the daily
The AV8 would have probably FODed out his engine blasting you so close. Yikes.
Should have tried it in the Mirage..
Wonder if you can do the viffing with an f-35 when the enemy is on your 6