Jagdtiger at the FRONT - Performance of the German Monster (‘44 - ’45)
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- Jagdtiger at the FRONT - Performance of the German Monster (‘44 - ’45)
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I would like to know how many Stugs could have been built for one Jagdtiger?
How many 75mm HV Panzer IV's VS Tiger I's, II's Panthers could have been built?
@@arthurdirindinjr1792 Panther was just slightly more expensive (in money and man-hours) then the Pz.IV
About 3.5
That's not the question, a Tiger was a Tiger and had a performance that outclassed the other tanks and tank hunters by far. A Tiger could survive far more hits than a Panzer IV or a StuG III Lang and destroy every enemy tank. At some actions on the Eastern Front one or two Tigers sometimes saved the entire front section and destroyed 10, 20, 30 or even more Soviet tanks. No Panzer IV could do this. @@arthurdirindinjr1792
@@madigorfkgoogle9349Panther would consume a lot more resources in Steel ,Fuel, Spares and maintenance compared with the lighter Pz4
Building hundreds of tanks with no fuel or crews isn't an objectively better plan than building a smaller number of heavier vehicles. Jagdtiger did poorly because Germany was lost, regardless of what you did. Challenger 2 is 75 tonnes, if you have plenty of resources you can make it work.
The germans had underground synthetic fuel plants so plenty of fuel but not enough time to use it in 1945 anyway they had plenty of trained crews for the me262 jet fighters and tanks if you read a lot of books you will know :)
And when it comes to germany building heavier tanks it was very reasonable already in 1942 hitler ordered for the production of heavier tanks like the tiger and panther because he expected based on intelligence that in 1943 the soviets would come with heavier tanks also wich didnt happen until 1944 but atleast it gave germany the advantage in 1943 onward in tank superiority
Challenger II is 3 times faster and penetration and has a turret. Significantly better reliability. It’s night and day.
@@user-bq5rp9mj6q synthetic fuel yes but not enough sevre shortages cripplrd lufteaffe training
@@Whatisthisstupidfinghandle lepoard 2 is also sig besser panzer
Bovington Jagdtiger with the Porsche suspension - rare indeed
Some say Kurt Knispel whas the best tank ace of ww2. He whas the commander and operated the gun too !
I think he mostly used Stugs
He died after a battle in a tig 2..
Tigers
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@@dicko-200 no.
"After basic training Knispel went onto Panzer training to operate the Pz I, II, and IV. On October 1st Knispel was transferred to a “Field Unit” of the 3rd Company of the 29th Panzer Regiment, 12 Panzer Division where he finished his training as a loader/gunner on the Pz IV. During training at Putlos he first demonstrated his abilities as a gunner; he had a gift of total three-dimensional vision as well as extraordinary reflexes. But to Knispel’s dismay, he remained a loader.
Knispel first saw action in August 1941 in a Pz IV tank. During Operation Barbarossa he quickly rose to the position of gunner under the command of Lt. Hellman. By January 1942 Knispel had returned to Putlos to undergo his training in the new Tiger tank and at the time he was already credited with 12 tanks victories. His next home was the 1st Company of the 503rd Heavy Panzer Battalion where he took part in the Battle of Kursk as flank cover to the 7th Panzer Division. From there he went on to commanding a Tiger II within the same unit."
Nice, I've never seen that picture of that Jagdtiger in the water (4:30) before.
Sitting helpless, with its engine under water, and what appear to be remnants of a collapsed bridge all around it, the photo nicely sums up the Jagdtiger's operational effectivness.
@@waynebrinker8095 Indeed. And it seems it probably banged it's overly large gun on the bridge's abutment too. Not that that matters much in the predicament it's in. 😁
All true, in the west.
However, reports stated also that even the Tiger2 had sometimes trouble penetrating the armour of the IS2. While the IS2 had no trouble in destroying the Tiger2 with it's enormous gun. In that circumstance the Jagdtiger would have made sense. If combined with air superiority.
and you do really believe that NKVD lie? Otto Carius knocked out 3 IS tanks in one run with just regular Tiger. But I do agree that Jagdtiger was planed for eastern battlefield with its large open spaces.
Personally, I feel Hitler should have concentrated on attack stukas with tank busting cannons. Also, as you had stated , build 100's of smaller type tanks with wide tracks and a gun that didn't tax engine and transmissions. Though it's possible they felt if they could show these huge tigers that the allies would be in shock mode thinking Germany isn't defeated yet?.
Thank you for making these very educational videos . Cheers
Jagd panzer 4 comes into this category as does, to some extent, the Hetzer. The Jagd Panther could also be classified in your description.
Building (much) larger numbers of simpler and more reliable tanks would have made more sense, that seems to be generally agreed. An increased use of Stukas with anti-armour cannon would be dependent on German air-superiority, something that the Germans had lost mid-war.
Little fuel in general and especially no aviation fuel.
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This video looks incomplete
On the east front, Jagd Tiger was more effective and cost-effective, due to some heavier enemy tanks. On the west, Shermans could have been destroyed by regular tanks.
Force concentration on itself is not a bad idea - if you cant fuel 4 tanks, but 1 stronger tank. But the Jagdtiger and Tiger 2 were overkill in that. Besides, quite unreliable.
Best choice were smaller tankkillers, like the STUG III and similar types. But overall, Germany had not enough OIL to win the war or even get a stalemate. Just enough to avoid a rapid defeat.
So, regarding cost-effective you have to take fuel consumption into account, allong with build-cost and win/loss ratio.
Read tigers in the mud by carius.
Fighting a war on two fronts after the lesson of WW1 was insanity.
Good old Addy. The Allies best secret weapon.
There were enough germans advocating against "Zweifrontenkrieg" even before ww1, most famously Bismarck.
After Bismarck german foreign policy had been foolish ever since.
The Germans obsession with super heavys was rediculous and counter to their ideology of Blitzkreig and counter attack
All main countries were researching or trying to develop super heavies. The Russians and Germans were the only ones who actually put them in production. The British and Americans were also working on versions also.
So, it's not stupid at all.
Not stupid and gives me cool stuff to look at now so shush.
Blitzkrieg wasn't an ideology, it translates to Lighting War... it was used a few times, Has nothing to do with actual speed of a tank. All tanks were slow... the Tiger alone was the best tank in ww2 and that was a heavy and slow tank. They just couldn't produce enough to keep up with Russia and America. as far as SUPER heavies, they produced very little. They knew they weren't practical on the battlefield. Today no tank is practical anymore. its a thing of the past, that's why so many people come to love ww2 tanks.
@@Breacher141 Well I agree with all of that except tanks are a thing of the past. Ukrainians sure want more of them.
Those super Heavy Weapons had nothing to do with Blitzkrieg.
It was all abaut to be able to defend themselfes from the Overwhelming Superiority of the Allies in "Everything".
The Elefant and Surmtiger were equally if not more pointless. Arguably so was the Tiger 2.
germany had a problem with manning the numerous other thanks or assault guns that could have been built instead of the Jagd tiger or other tiger models.
Clear an consice videos like this one are the best.
Against tens of thousands of Allied tanks there was only one outcome..
Haagenou is where the 101 airbourne started doing special ops
Thankyou for this one That jagdtiger In the river at 4:55 was that caused by the tank collapse in the bridge or was the bridge bombed With the tank on it? does anyone know? Thanks Paul
Bridge collapsed under weight of the Jagdtiger, so it was abandoned.
Thanks @@PaulWalker-sy1sj
It wasn’t a German obsession. It was hitlers
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They were definitely a beast of a machine. The German version the Russian heavies?
Was the issue more that by the time they came to deployment, the battle feild that they were designed for was no longer there?
Russia was now at Germanys doorstep.
Regardless, its still very cool and imposing.
Thanks for yet another great and informative video.
6:55 but Germany don’t have men to man these tanks and also Germany didn’t have enough fuel for the tanks it had already had
as usual good one Thx
People often use the words “breakthrough”, “major advance”, “ahead of its time”, etc. for machines that were just larger. None of these were breakthroughs. Neither were the various Tigers, which also broke down at high rates as when they were introduced, the stage of the war where they made sense was long over. The way they WERE used, insured they weren’t terribly effective.
Yeah, of course... LOL
Heavy Tank Battalions "kills" and feats deny your BS pretty hard.
Wehrmacht realized its way too big and heavy to be effective AND STILL DECIDED to make Maus. Guys, please, just dont tell me your opinion "Jagdtiger IS great" based on WT. Even that is debatable.
By the later stages of the war the Germans were facing so many shortages of not only material but manpower, particularly exsprenced panzer crewmen. They realized they were never going to out produce the Soviets in tank production so they put their hopes into superior AFVs and better tactics and training. Add to that the British and American production of tanks, out producing the allies was never possible. So Hitler encouraged bigger and more and more outlandish tanks being produced up to the huge Mause PZKW VIII.
Did King Tigers knock out more enemy tanks than their own production run?
According to sources, the average kill to loss rate for the King Tigers were 5.74 to 1, with the most successful unit, the 13th company of Panzer-regiment Grossdeutschland having a 16.67 kill to loss ratio (they lost 6 tanks to the destruction of 100 enemy AFV’s).
@@MyLateralThawts But does that just include those that saw action or were lost in action? What about all those that were lost to arms other than tanks, or never reached action and were found on rail cars unable to enter service due to the disruption of communications towards the end of the war, or all those abandoned or burnt by their crews for mechanical failure, as recounted here for Jagdtigers, which had similar internal mechanics?
Are there records of the nearly 500 King Tigers built knocking out 2,500-3,000 enemy tanks, which is what a 5.74 to 1 ratio would require? From June 6, 1944 through May 15, 1945 US tank and tank destroyer losses in the European Theatre of Operations, United States Army (Western Front) were around 7,000. Tigers lost in the West apparently totalled 171, of which only 62 are known to have been in combat, not necessarily against other tanks. Are there records of them knocking out around 1,000 Western Allied tanks?
According to William Manchester in "The Arms of Krupp", five bomber raids between 22 September and 7 October 1944 destroyed 95% of the Henschel factory, resulting in the loss of six hundred fifty-seven Tiger IIs. Presumably these were only part-assembled, but, if true, this was more than were actually completed. These are presumably not factored into loss ratio calculations.
but to be fair the King didn't come out until after the war was half over, imagine if they had them first!
@@MyLateralThawts But do the King Tiger loss ratios include (1) the 657, presumably incomplete, Tiger IIs William Manchester says in his "Arms of Krupp" were lost in five bomber raids between 22 September and 7 October 1944 that destroyed 95% of the Henschel factory, or (2) those captured on railway sidings that never reached combat units in the last weeks of the war, or (3) those lost due to breakdowns, lack of fuel, accidents, abandonment, or destruction by their own crews?
Apparently 171 Tiger IIs were lost on the Western Front. Do we have hard evidence that they knocked out the approximately 1,000 Allied tanks a 5.74 to 1 ratio would require?
@@markaxworthy2508Very good questions.
Hitler had a fascination with larger everything…tanks, tank guns, siege guns, ships, etc. Had he listened to his generals, Germany would have likely built more Panther tanks and extended the war. Ultimately, it didn’t matter because Germany bit off more than they could chew and lacked the necessary resources, trucks and manpower to win the war they started.
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Jagshambles.
Most of them broke down on the way to the front. Not really. They ran out of fuel or ammo and was scuttled by their crew. Or destroyed by allied aircraft.
Very cool video!!!
It was unbeatable on the battlefield..it could destroy most armor at long distances.and nothing could penetrate its frontal armour..however at this point in the war..it couldnt make up for sheer numbers of shermans..however by that time inexperienced crews .fuel shortages and allied air power defeated any success it has
Totally useless in real life but they make great models. Great video I’ve only recently found this channel and I really like the content.
Everyone was fighting on two fronts, the Japanese against the Americans and the Chinese as well.
It would seem that many of Germany's armored vehicles did not pass through the proper development phases. Everything after the Tiger I seemed to be rushed into combat without having all the issues settled first. With JS 1 and JS 2 tanks supported by hordes of T-34s you needed to hit them at long range and have survivability. You just cant put that much weigh on engines/drive train combinations that have not been designed for that kind of weight. Yes I get it the Soviets are beating on the back door and the Americans just landed on their front porch. However if the Panther and heaver tanks had been through their proper development phases, I believe they would have made a bit of a difference. No I am not saying Germany could have won, Germany lost the day American industry, out of reach with huge worker and natural resources entered the war out of striking range.
Why was Karusr (or whatever his name is) wearing a regular army cap, but had SS death' head emblems on his collars? Ran out of SS caps?
I don’t believe that he was SS and therefore the collar insignia were those of the normal panzer troops not the SS, as it was initially associated with the Prussian heavy cavalry and then adopted by the panzer arm of the German army. Similar to British Lancers and Swedish Hussars.
The 3 SS Division initially wore similar emblems on their collar, but this was more due their creation from and initial association with the SS Totenkopfverbände, and changed to normal SS dress codes as the war progressed.
Completely under powered...used the same engine as the 55 ton Tiger though 17 tons heavier! By the time they were produced tank crews had no confidence in them as they were so large and slow and the object of superior air power from RAF/US.
In simple terms they were junk.
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