I Went DEAD BROKE Breeding Reptiles and You Might Too!
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- Breeding reptiles will make you right, right? Nope! It made me DEAD Broke to the point of selling off all my breeding stock and this can happen to you too!
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Brian Boas once said " you know what they say, if you want to make a small fortune breeding reptiles, you need to start with a large fortune."
sounds accurate!
Brian is a very wise man
That's exactly what they say about winemaking too 😂😂
Reminds me of what a guy told me at a convention recently about how people should only get into reptile breeding if its something they are passionate about and are doing out of a love for the hobby because most people wont get rich or be able to make a good living doing it. Plus you have to have the facilities to keep the babies for long periods because adopting them all out can be hard.
Well said my friend
This I why I am more apt to starting a store than trying to breed reptiles. Something I've been working on now for a few months.
This is where I screwed up, if I had it to do over again, I'd be living on land with a house. Not a fucking apartment. I was truly passionate about what I was breeding, just didn't have the facilities in place.
100%
And this is the reason you've seen so many breeders leave the hobby when the market crashed
I would say the majority of the ones left, love the animals we work with and aren't just after the cash
@davidperlich9196 this! Make sure to have alot of space if you plan to breed, it fills up quick when baby season comes
between all of our reptiles, it literally takes up 3 bedrooms (one for babies, one for growouts, and one for adults
Thank you for this video. We often get new breeders surrendering dozens of animals in one go because they thought it would be easy money, while it couldn't be further from the truth.
Our pleasure!
I'd like to see a video doing a breakdown of everything required to breed reptiles. Not because I'm thinking about breeding myself, just to see the overview of the system (yar, I'm weird)
I love this idea
I don't even keep reptiles beyond a musk turtle and I would love to see this video. Guess i'm weird too.
There are a lot of us
Same. I only have a BP!
I’d like to see that too!
100% accurate. I went into breeding with almost no reputation and I wasn't ready for it. I hatched 2 clutches of ackies last year and it took me 8 months to sell them all. Half of the delay was from lack of reputation and half was from me making sure the buyer was set up right and ready for the monitor.
I ended up not having enough enclosures ready for them because I thought they would sell fast. I won't make that mistake again.
I also really underestimated the time investment. It took me hours every morning to feed all the babies because I wanted to socialize every one of them. It's a ton of extra work and time, but that's why I was able to sell them with no reputation. As soon as people saw they were social they were interested in them.
I took this year off from breeding to rebuild my entire basement so I'm better prepared from now on. I build all my enclosures, so that saves me some money. Housing is still a massive investment either way though.
sounds about right!
The jokes on you, I've always been broke 😂
haha geeeez
Please make a sequel to this video: things to consider & prepping for becoming a breeder!
wicked idea
Been breeding for many yrs. Ive never pulled profit. More i make the more i spend. Do it because u love it...period
That’s totally fair
@WickensWickedReptiles maybe that came out wrong. Making $ is def possible but should not be the main goal. Too much competition. That said if u love working with reptiles, then profiting is tertiary at best imo. Personally I do it because I can make animals I can't afford. I feel lucky to be able to work with animals. And any $ I make just offsets my costs
It's a good video. Everyone underestimates just how much food costs for breeding animals.
Very true!
It's pretty similar to other sorts of breeding, I chatted with an Anthurium (plant) breeder on tiktok the other day and she was overwhelmed by all unsold seedlings that she couldn't move even with a network. Since the quarantine ended the prices for rare plants have mostly dissolved. Things that were $500/cutting then is $7 in grocery stores now. I see the same trend in dogs (especially mixbred ones) where people bred with a good profit during the quarantine and now get stuck with unsold puppies.
I’m a plant guy, so glad I didn’t shell out for albos three years ago
And shelters are still getting animals obtained when people were home all day.
OMG I live in one state and on every reptile page there is so many up for rehoming. Leo', Crested and Bearded dragons and ball pythons. The reptile trade is saturated with animals that never needed to be reproduced.
Now you can see people competing against each other but are still friendly, trash talk is at a bare minimum. The community has grown exponentially. thanks for the videos
100% to all of this, dude. This all applies to mpuse breeding, too! Connections help SO MUCH, and most of us love it when new breeders pop up near us, ESPECIALLY if they're better. That just means we'll have easy access to new genetics and advice whenever we need to bring in new breeders😂. And advice is so amazing. It also ALWAYS takes longer than you think to get started, and more work, too. I stsrted witg 4 cages and thought id be fine; im up to 22 cages. And knowing the market, networking...all SO HELPFUL😊
Oh absolutely
I would definitely love a breakdown video on the cost of breeding from start up to maintaining.
I wouldn't want to go broke but I would love to have the reptiles. If I had the room. Have an awesome day Adam and Trish
We will!
@@WickensWickedReptiles when can you do an Ackie care guide?
Great video, we all can learn from your experience. I didn’t know you were into Chahoua like that. Please please please use your platform to spread the word about these amazing geckos. Imo best new cal gecko and highly underrated 💪🏼
I have been wanting a bearded dragon, but have been able to get one, and this guy has made me so happy, watching the videos on his beardie. Also he has helped so much on reserch. So from the bottom of my heart thank you so much Adam.
Going through a lot of this myself. And just because you are passionate about your animals, family members who you though would help may not be. Man I would have flipped if my dad was in to something cool like this. Kids now are more interested in electronics than anything else.
Yesss, break it all down!.. People need to see and understand, what they have to look forward to, trying to get into breeding all of these amazing animals..
Bro, I’m glad you stuck with it. Great channel, you’re actually one of the last reptile channels that I found. Definitely one of the best.
Awesome, thank you!
I was trying to breed a pair of Chinese water dragons and we unfortunately lost the female last week. I noticed she was getting sick, called all the nearest exotic vets, and she passed before I could get into the soonest pet visit. Im still super bummed about it and now they're so hard to find. I almost pulled the trigger on another CB female for $700..thank you for putting this video out about the realities of it. I just jumped into it too.
Very valuable video lesson!.. A lot of people, breaking into the hobby, really need to hear this!.. At the end of the day, do it because you love these animals and do it because it's fun and an amazing experience.. Never get into this hobby, with the idea of becoming very wealthy through it, because chances are, that's not how it'll play out.. Thank you, Adam!..
Absolutely!
Yes please do the breakdown cost video
Great vid brother. Animals are so much work it is so important that folks understand how much work and expense goes into starting into breeding. Even it you are doing it for fun and not for profit, it can be overwhelming and quickly make you run out of money, lol. Thanks for sharing your experience.
I always hit the like button because you are a likable guy,lol, but seriously It's the first thing I do. Great mini class, and yes I'm thinking for those who are considering the business, you would be a great teacher.
Thanks Adam👍🦎❤️
I love this. Thank you for being awesome!
The next video I would love to see you do is, 10 different snakes and their personalities or different body language and how to handle them safely and what that would look like!
Live birthing reptiles look like the easiest ones to breed at first thought, but the problem with snakes is that a lot of the snakes that don't lay eggs can kill which makes them dangerous to breed. Small boa species and garter snakes and ribbon snakes are the only safe ones to breed.
True all the way around
Yeah, I feel like Brian kind of unintentionally inspired a ton of people to start breeding as a side hustle, or as a full time job. At this point, I can't imagine many new people could get into this business and be very successful. Especially if they don't have a very large amount of money to start the business. And I imagine it'd have to be more of a niche market(sort of like Garrett and others are doing with dwarf and super dwarf retics. Those are like my dream animals. In fact, they're often stunning with _no_ mutations/morphs, just the wild types. Can I imagine if they had access to every mainland retic morph?)
Actually, I feel like boas constrictors are underappreciated. I've always felt like they're gorgeous, and just have that really cool head structure, and that almost rectangular body structure for hanging onto trees, etc. And the number of mutations nowadays is crazy.
Thanks for sharing your experience!
thanks for watching!
Your honesty is always so satisfying 😆. Interesting topics and great info make you stand out!! I always enjoy your videos !
I recently spoke with my local pet store about potentially breeding frogs for them; I wasn't so much interested in what I'd get for them as to whether or not I'd actually be able to move them. I think it's a really neat process, but I don't need to be adding 50+ to my house every other month.
I neither own nor breed reptiles, just an interested outsider but it is truly mind blowing that some people actually need this explained to them.
crazy right!@
@@WickensWickedReptiles I mean it's basic math..
Before you breed talk to pet stores and wholesalers, make sure they can take your stock and push it effectively, and almost always start off small and grow your breeding stock SLOWLY it’s 100% possible to make a living or at least pay off your collection costs, you just can’t be impulsive and need to do tons of research, get Multiple sources (stores and wholesalers) to be purchasing your stock, your best bet is to wholesale and not sell individually for the most part, toads, certain frogs garter snakes, and certain geckos are good to start but don’t take my word for it, do your own research as everywhere is different, but I easily maintain my collection off one species of gecko alone oh and to cut costs buy wholesale products things like that go a long way, I wish y’all luck. Nice video btw Adam, also you might have to compromise on breeding stuff you might not like per-say so those are things to think of
I had a problem with the shop saying yeh we will have them but the boss never contacted me. And told the staff he had
@@repti_familythat’s why I said multiple shops and wholesaler not just one
The cost of breeding reptiles is actually fascinating, love to see more videos on it.
Thank you, Adam for being who you are. You've taught me so much and I certainly continue to Praise you on your Expertise, and hope the best for you. As far as your business goes and breeding And just maintaining what you have.. Keep the good with the good and the bad away or trying to come into a world they have no understanding, knowledge or business being in! I understand completely where you're coming from. But I hope that you continue to pass on YOUR knowledge to all of us who do depend on you to all of us who watch your Channel keep our loved reptiles healthy and kept properly . Keep up the good work!🦎🐍❤ T.
Great advice, we started breeding by going to expos, making connections and now we all help each other, if somebody had a person interested and we dont have the snake which would work for the person, we call around and send them to a friend who does have what theyre looking for
Had also helped when we have had problems, people who live an hour away from is have driven over to help and show us the proper way of correcting the issue
People would be shocked by how nice, helpful and welcoming the reptile breeding community in the GTA, some of the people who have helped us are the biggest breeders in this area and possibly all of canada
Come to an expo and talk to us (not just me, i mean the majority of breeders there), even if youre not buying, most of us love just helping, teaching and mostly, discussing the reptiles we work with
If youre planning on breeding, be straightup and tell the breeder, ill gaurentee the majority of breeders will be more than happy to discuss/help you, telling you the issues weve dealt with so you dont have to make the same mistakes we already have
Edit: oh, and GO LEAFS GO!
Good luck in game 7 brother, gunna be a good one
Thank you for the video! Could you do the video that breaks down the cost to breed?
Sure thing!
Nice video! For anyone interested in getting into this, Frank Payne is a goated breeder in the US and has done multiple interviews on his approach. Really good advice and perspective.
I have nothing but good things to say about Frank
About breeding , one of the biggest problem is maintaining a cheap source of food. The old Agama International owner said he and his wife lived on sawdust. He reared super worms on sawdust( he introduced them to the hobby and they were everywhere before the USDA could ask about permits) which he fed to his bearded dragons. The Argentine tegus got turkey he bought on clearance sales after the holidays. A friend visited his place and noted all the lumber was all salvaged.
Of course my favorite breeding story is when I bred bosemann's rainbow fish. I took a dozen breeder size fish mainly males to my local fish shop as a gift for their display tank telling them I could supply them with slightly smaller fish at such and such a price and was told they could buy rainbow fish for 10 cents from Tampa! Nope these are different from those, it was easier to tell the African cichlid guy I had so many available and s broker them to the Tampa fish farms. Less money but less hassle than selling to local pet stores/
I used to make decent side hustle money with 3 breeding pairs that id breed once a year. It was snakes I already wanted as pets anyway. Id sell the babies to local pet stores and some online. I would usually make enough to cover a lot of the expenses of having them as pets and maybe a little to treat myself. I definitely didn't make a fortune. I was so obsessed with upgrading caging and food and all that entails to really hang on to anything I made but it was fun to do. A tad stressful but mostly fun.
That is awesome!
For breeding, i picked animals and genes that i really liked and wanted to work with. We already have a big collection, so we know first hand the cost of upkeep and whatnot. My first pairing year will be next spring and i am beyond excited!
I had a similar experience when I started dog breeding, it was quite stressful actually ... But then I started value addition through training and that got it profitable eventually.
Great video - I see so many youtube videos that say you can breed xyz and make $$$... and you can. But also LOL. I don't breed reptiles, but I breed birds, and people really have no idea how much money goes back into the animals. They don't breed all year round or immediately, so you have to budget for that. Sometimes your pairings fail or give you small clutches or the babies die or the market shifts or the economy sucks or or or. Definitely a lot of variables go into breeding animals. I've considered doing a bit of reptile (or adjacent animals like isos/roaches/etc) breeding, just because it is physically easier than birds, but am still deciding on species and considering all the factors you brought up.
Breakdown how you market your animals!! I have some albino sulcatas I am working on selling the hatchlings now!
Great idea!
I wish I saw this video 5 years ago. You described my situation almost exactly
This is funny. I'm in the process of finishing up editing a video re people who are considering breeding their reptiles. LOL.
Go for it!
It’s hard man. I’ve got over 25 species and finding consistent buyers is a pain.
I agree
I’ve gotten to know a lot of New Caledonia gecko brothers in Ohio because I live between Cincinnati and Columbus where two of the biggest monthly shows happen. I’ve also gotten to know some Illinois and Wisconsin breeders because I go to Tinley Park sometimes. Gecko people are the best.
Question to Adam: I’m considering going to an expo in Windsor, Ontario at some point. Do you know if there’s an issue buying a reptile (that’s legal in both countries, like a Chewie) and taking it back across the border if we drive? I know that people ship cross border all the time, just don’t know about driving with new pets.
A cost breakdown video would be amazing. Ive been doing a bunch of research and planning to become a snake breeder in kansas!
100% accurate! I used to breed and show champion Australian Shepherds. I always included a fact sheet called. "Why does this puppy cost so much?" I lost money on every litter. As soon as I realised that the market was flooded I quit breeding and went into rescue work instead. Also financially draining, but every bit as rewarding. Emerald Scales Reptiles has a great video on how to go broke doing rescue. Its reaĺly worth checking out.
I would love to have a break down of prices for breeding. I’m extremely interested in it and would love to learn about it. Thank you for all your videos I love them!❤
Ok will do!!
Love your videos Adam! Definitely do a video breaking down breeding costs cause I’m curious! It’s been a thought of mine not to get Rich off of but to be able to supply beautiful reptiles to new and existing keepers and if I make a buck or too then it’s just a double win!
I'm almost certain you sold off the adults from your leopard gecko cohabitatian at the last expo I saw you at was hoping you might mention that in this video, maybe you will in another video. It would be good to have an update if it didn't work out. I was thinking of doing the same but not sure now.
Nope, all six still in there. Working great :)
We can just say this is the case in most animal breeding ventures. The number of people trying to get rich breeding dogs, cats, rodents, insects, amphibians, and reptiles is crazy. To do it ethically and successfully takes hard work and a lot of knowledge.
Well there goes my hopes and dreams 😂
I don't breed reptile, I breed fish but all of what you've said applies.
...heck where I live..we don't even have fish clubs anymore, since covid.
One thing I can say to new breeders, start small..one specie that is both easy to breed and sell..even if for cheap and barely make it even, I don't know what species of reptile that would fit that, honestly but in the aquatic world, there are a few fishes that would fit that description.Your first goal is to make a name for yourself by selling nice, plumb and healthy animal, then you move forward with something that is a little more daring and maybe that you would be more passionnate about.
Talk to people, like store owners and such is one and if not the one best way to get a pulse in the market and in my case, they are my no.1 buyers most of the fish I breed for them is because they either can't get them from supplier and/or don't ship very well and tend to arrive sick or dead.
Man, I'm sorry to here that, you'll get em next time :)
Yes! A video of the cost of breeding reptiles!
You got it!
I’ve had this problem with my crested geckos, no one bought the babies. A year on and I’ve still got 2 of them. I found most didn’t want babies they wanted yearlings which I thought was weird. I’ve not bred anything since. I want to try fox snakes when mine are bigger but I will have to do more research about how to sell them on
sounds about right
My theory on that is that babies have some specific requirements that actually makes it cheaper overall to get an older one. Like needing a smaller setup instead of putting it in an adult size enclosure. And the potential for frying them with bulbs. Poor things. :(
@@Dragonemperess never thought of it that way yeh that makes sense
i mean this makes sense, im just breeding spiders because i want people to hopefully eventually have a bunch in captivity will i make a profit, probably not, hopefully i will but unlikely, tbh tho most people dont have amblypygi and nobody is breeding heteropoda venatoria because theyre so common theyre mostly just imported so idk its just a hobby so im not too pressed.
edit: the other nice thing about spiders, no real light requirements for some of the ones i keep (nocturnal or cave dwelling) low feeding costs because of them eating crickets and roaches i feed table scraps in a bucket.
Very cool!
@@WickensWickedReptiles but yea i get a lot of your points i can def understand how you went into the red, reptiles and their care is so pricey, i was wanting to get a hognose and was shocked how much everything would run me, i cant imagine how much breeding them adds up to.
There's a lot of great plain business advice here too.
Okay I have a question since you do sell your reptiles, how do you find them a good home? I have a beautiful ball python I rescued last summer but I really don’t feel I can provide for him the way he needs to be cared for, I hate the thought of giving him up but I’m even more afraid of how he will end up if I do. I just want the best life for him, any tips on rehoming reptiles? I want Fluffy to have his best life.
The hobby is especially expensive in Canada, even compared to America
Great video as always
thank you!
I like to tell people that anyone can put two animals together and let them reproduce, but it takes a lot more to actually be a breeder. A lot more goes into it than people think for sure
All about the brand, Aussie breed we here and I breed both ends of the hobby, entry-level and very advanced keeping reptiles, but I’ve always found I don’t have problems selling due to the brand I’ve built up plus you as a person always matters I find, a lot of breeders I deal with don’t really talk to the general public a whole lot where I won’t shut up talking to them 🤣
that sounds about right
i'm a biologist in training (mature student at university) and my dream is to breed shingleback skinks one day, but it's never been for money, i'm a skink lover and i researched skinks for 3 or 4 years before i got my own baby blue tongue big smoke
I briefly toyed with the idea of breeding snakes once but I quickly decided that it would be idea ofr pretty much the reasons mentioned in this video. That and I don't have room in my house for a even one rack and my wife isn't all that fond of reptiles, even though she did let me keep my corn snake that I had from before we met, and I don't think she have liked the idea of a house full of snakes.
I used to breed minor breading just now getting g into it again with my hognose will be starting this next season not doin to get rich not really make money so much but as a hobby to make cool morphs and if takes off that would be cool
Keep up the great work!
Thanks, will do!
TG for that, you are ok NOW x
Great video! I made this mistake! Although I never even made it to produce any babies! I fell in love with bearded dragons, and bought a bunch of babies and went broke before they were even old enough to breed! Then didn't even know that not all the babies I bought would be "breeder quality " as adults! Hard lessons! I'm just a keeper now of 12 pet bearded dragons!
Good on ya for keeping them
Dude! I'm already broke, so there's not much further to go. Is there?
Hahaha geeeee
Some hard truths in this video.
Luckily, I only have 1 breeding project that I would like to pursue. A Leopard-Mojave-Banana (maybe also pied) Ball Python. I've seen animals that were 2 out of the 3 (or 4) but never one that had all of it. And, based on what I've seen, I think that combo would make an absolutely beautiful ball python.
But, this isn't a "for sale" animal, though I'd likely sell off whatever I didn't want to keep for myself in the process. It's for ME. I probably won't even get the chance to follow that dream unless I hit the lottery though 😅
I do a little better than breaking even. But I live in America and the market is bigger, and shipping is easier.
The cheapest I can go on cornsnakes is $30 and that is my wholesale price, but I know people that go $15 for wholesale
being in the US makes things so much easier
I have probably sunk over 10k into my hognose collection. I had to start breeding my own mice. That was BEFORE I attempted breeding, it wasn't my original plan, I just really love them. We just got our first clutch yesterday though, so I guess I should start some sort of marketing. Not really looking to get rich, it's just an expensive hobby.
no doubt!
My concern, eventually, to make a profit and compete, you'd end up cutting corners until you are doing some shit that if you don't hate yourself for, others will. We have heard the stories about some breeder. I guess that is where the whole morph trend started bring live back into breeding.
Great video Adam!!
"My name is Adam, this is Diamond, you're watching Wickens Wicked Reptiles, stick around."❤
Im just starting out and i did my 5 yr plan because just jumping in, not a good idea. Thats any business though. Any business done smart, takes about 2 yrs to make profit. Do the business analytics in morph market and other places and spend money on high end pairs right from the start. I have two het desert ghost clowns hoping to make desert ghost batman, there arent on morph market. I spent 1750 on the pair. I do have a pair of lower end clowns but im not going to go crazy with ball pythons. My thing is colubrids which are way cheaper. Im not going to make millions, probably break even but thats ok. I myself have two incomes so im fortunate. Research research research before jumping into breeding any animals. Racks/ enclosures, hatchling racks, grow out racks, lighting (every 6 month change out), heat, incubators, freezer. Need all of that before you even start. It is a lot of money. I paid well over 1,000 just for caging and supplies. Be careful. Listen to these guys when they tell yall things because we didnt have this in the 80s when i got into reptiles. May the odds ever be in your favor friends.
The cost to breed reptiles is something people don't think about, also organization before breeding reptiles. Things I regret list.
Gotta breed animals people don’t have… got my first CBB emerald tree monitor 8 months ago. Getting my second from a well known breeder in the next few months. Those are going nowhere with current indonisa import rules.
Good advice
Love this video man!!
thank you!
Yes! make more videos about this!
hey adam! Ive been watching your videos and i have decided i want something i can have a bio active setup with. you think a blue nose skink would be good for a first time repile owner( im very used to keeping fish and planted aquariums just not reptiles)
Robin Lehner the goalie for the Vegas Golden nights went bankrupt from buying a collection of snakes to breed so even a guy making millions went bankrupt doing this
well sort of, a lot of that had to do with Ben's murder
@@WickensWickedReptiles is he the guy he bought the reptiles from? I didn't hear about that part .
@@pierceduppunk441 yes, he thought his reptile farm
It sounds like you have to do Reptile breeding for the Love
It’s a great day when WWR uploads
I currently have 3 pairs of croc skinks .. hoping to breed in the future.. if all goes good.. yes not cheap...as far as marketing i have no issues on that, just hope im successful in breedinf 1st since they are slow at reproduction 😂😂😂
good luck :)
Looks like adams been lifting
thanks for noticing :)
Do you breed that Chewie with that underbite ? Is it genetic?
You are the best TH-cam ever have a awesome day have a cool day have a wonderful day great work
Thanks! You too!
Maybe I should breed my red eared sliders!! Those would surely sell fast
I breed leopard and crested geckos but im also breeding hybrids! I have a basilisk anole hybrid right now
That’s very cool
I’ve heard the saying you can’t get richer off animals it’s only in investments that will actually produce money. Bc animals deplete money.
Well not always but most of the time
Very interesting and informative video. 🤓 Back when the Reptiles Canada Forum used to exist, the veterans would always sternly warn people about diving into breeding. ⚠ The new breeders would often end up going sooner than they entered, when they realised just how tough it is to breed reptiles without first understanding what you are getting yourself into. 💀
12:05 The problem with doing a video on the cost to breed reptiles is that it would vary drastically from species to species. 💵 Breeding royal pythons is going to be far cheaper than breeding something like mainland reticulated pythons, so you would have to get your audience to vote on which species should be done. 💡
I will breed Bredl's pythons, Angolan pythons, black-headed pythons, and designer blood pythons as these are guaranteed to make me some serious money! 🤑💸💰 Kidding. 😜
Great vid!
Would love a break down video