The men under General H. Jacob used the same argument when he told them to kill anyone over ten, the soldiers on the USS wahoo too, the men at the battle of Okinawa rape also, i can keep going, because war doesn't change, of evolves slowly until it isn't war, just a series of scum killing eachother.
i think her words were something along the lines of "they never determined who really shot first", which suggests that the davidians shot first, but they dont know who. im not siding with the atf here because they handled this terribly, just a thought
@@tjmcmahon8709 The reason it has never been officially documented as to who shot first is the front door, although confiscated as evidence mysteriously disappeared and has never been found. There were several people who did see the door and stated it was riddled with holes made by incoming rounds. Unusual that chain of evidence records do not exist for a crime scene under federal jurisdiction. Perhaps the door was loaded into the U-Haul truck that witnesses said was also present at the Davidian compound ruins before the smoke had cleared. Funny how the media was not permitted anywhere near and was in fact moved further back just prior to the fire being ignited, yet a U-Haul is at the front lines. There were woman and children in that compound and they were citizens of the United States. They were murdered by their government.
One of the ATF agents told Waco police and Texas Rangers that they (The ATF fired first). He later under oath in a federal inquiry said he was wrong and the Davidians fired first.
The Feds knew that David left the compound every Tuesday and they could have apprehended him then. This was about a show of force they wanted a fight but didn't expect to get their ass handed to them in the initial raid.
My thoughts exactly. With all the resources and infrastructure the government has at its disposal, they had NO way of getting David alone? They had to kill a ton of innocent people. I mean shit, I’m just a regular civilian but even I could get him out alone.
they wouldn't have needed to "apprehend" him, no force would have been necessary. Koresh was a licensed firearms dealer, specifically licensed to do so -- which as a matter of routine requires frequent (and friendly) interaction with law enforcement or inspections. The Koresh's sold weapons at legal markets. From all accounts he was relatively cordial with local law enforcement, and the sheriff offered to the ATF to approach Koresh and bring him for interview - in fact he would have done so merely being asked to do so. Instead the ATF who was losing their funding and gravitas at the time decided to swing their demon dicks around, then came upon the BD compound with full intent to kill and with premeditated sadism.
These people died so that ATF could show off their military style tactics. David went into Waco every Tuesday and could have easily been taken into custody there but the lead agent wanted to “take him down” in front of his followers.
Definitely agree with you the atf fucked up and it cost a lot of lives and money... Do you agree with me that the lapd fucked up with Rodney king as well?
It's disappointing to know that the people we count on as professionals in situations like these, failed so miserably. The fact that no ATF or FBI agents got disciplined for this is maddening. This is exactly why people become radical and hate our government. This was SO EASILY avoidable.
Really ? They burned people alive. It's maddening people miss this fact. Very sad. I hope the officers are tormented every day, for the rest of their lives.
Well we fail our gov pet project in Afghanistan and the withdrawal was a joke. When gov think they know more than the ppl. That’s when failure comes in. When lies are spread to be reveal later. We lose trust in the ppl that they think ppl will forget. Obviously waco lead to OKC bombing. Idk the answer. But the ATF came in at full force. I think this could have been handle a lot better and even if ppl are brainwash. That’s their choice. It was a religion I disagree on. But it was theirs. Let someone infatuate the compound and figure a better way. Always a better way.
@@arandomhuman1996 no they (as in the ATF dog team) shot the Davidians' dogs, other ATF agents mistook it as gunfire coming from the house, and started shooting. That's why they got rid of the front door you so erroneously claim they knocked on after it survived the fire, because all of the bullet holes were going in, NOT out.
@@damianrobbins4167 don’t get me wrong I understand the whole dog situation it’s just I’m pretty sure they also fired through the door not just the ATF
@@arandomhuman1996 you're kidding me right? How do you tell which direction a bullet hole was made in? That's simple physics and common sense that police use in investigations all the time. Are you trolling me or are you serious??
J M Koresh used to go out into town every Tuesday. If the ATF were really trying to get him for something, they could have done it then. I have no doubt that Koresh had his faults, but there was a better way to handle this, that didn’t end up with 82 people dying.
@@loopba The steel front door of which witnesses stated was riddled with holes made by incoming rounds, although collected as evidence, mysteriously vanished and has never been found. So yeah, right, just like ya say "no conclusive evidence." Ain't that a bitch? Funny how a fact like this has been swept so far under the rug the sheep people will be content to consider me a conspiracy nut rather than do the research themselves. Well, I ain't as furious as Timothy McVeigh was but don't piss on my head and tell me it's rain.. Peace
@@rickmcroberts9101 Holes through the door still don't indicate who fired first. It was probably retaliation. So, I'll say it again, no conclusive evidence.
@@steviejohnson378 You are aware that the military grade CS gas the ATF threw in followed by the spark caused by a flashbang were the cause of the fire, right? This isn't the first time this law enforcement has killed people by conflagration due to igniting CS gas. And if you're a death cult you don't endure almost two months of siege before doing it or negotiate the safe passage of children out of your compound.
To those who support door to door gun confiscation. No matter how good you feel about holding such a position. Every gun in the Mount Carmel Compound was legally owned, yet those who you think are the only ones who should be able to have firearms. Shot and burned innocent people alive because they owned guns. This is the Hell that your road which was paved with good intentions will eventually lead to.
@@R0ZEN7 no, if you would do any actual research you would see it is the exact opposite, marx and others have argued against, Anarchist and marxists pretty much only agree on that and a couple other subjects, the marx quote i was referring to was "Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary."- Karl Marx
I just don't understand how this was let go without and repercussions, me and my father talk about it all the time and he says that back in the day everyone knew what had happened and everyone was mad. So much for being a tougher generation.
@@alepepperoni2563 there is video of it happening. When they breach a first (one above ground) floor window, two agents who have just stepped inside end up in a shootout with one still outside the window. Edit: the clip around 3:50 is friendly fire.
Christopher Gray You’re claim that the Davidian’s shot first is baseless. The door to Mount Carmel was _proven_ to have entry wounds that came from the outside.
I'm not siding with anybody, but the cops could have handled it in a much better way. Honestly the cops messed up and innocent people mostly children had to pay the price for their bad planning of a take down
@@patrickpeters6016 I appreciate that. It's kind of strange where you have an agency that mixes the second amendment (firearms) with vices like alcohol and tobacco.
musicguitar Is it a convenient coincidence or a Conspiracy Theory that they did a PSYCHOLOGICAL OPERATION that they fake false flagged a Covid-19 China War Operation with a real Virus and a false over inflation of facts to get people to SELF PRISON / DESTROY ECONOMY and then they roll out this Netflix series to show you WHAT THEY CAN DO ? All of you are now in that Compound (Your Home Prison doing time) waiting for them to BURN YOU DOWN. Way past time to wake up, you all are almost all the way in the grave, death doesn't forgive STUPIDITY.
@@musicguitar Wake them up from the Matrix. Tell them this series is by design to make people angry, media makes people hate one another. All theater by design. They are working their endgame on us and only being awake to what is truly important and what's going on can get us through this...
And to add on to that they killed everyone on the 51st day except a woman by the name of ruby ridges who left with the thing they were finishing before they left the compound so basically the overall thing that happened is April 12th the branch davidians surrender April 19th around 9:00 they begin to gas the facility april 19th 9:20ish the gas catches fire april 19th 10:00 ruby exits with the thing they wanted to finish before they surrender april 19th 13:00 the facility is leveled 17 children killed along with multiple others cause of a weapons violation
And in case you weren’t doing all of your research at all 37 people escaped beforehand and the rest were about to leave when they begin to gas the facility and it catches on fire. The whole cause of this a weapons violation (they could add murder but it was self defense and counted as such) so you think a dude is ignorant for the government having 4 people die and a peaceful religious group lose 67 people
And to add on on the first day of it starting David himself came out to call it off and surrender when an ATF person killed a dog and they assumed it was returned fire and starting shooting him hitting him in the gut and hand and it wasn’t confirmed if it came from the final day r then but they killed a 70ish year old man also cause someone shot a dog
Well, they were abusing the kids. The girl in this video is in another talking about it, as is a mother who said she regretted it because she drew blood from her baby while punishing her. They began beating their kids at 8 months old with a wooden paddle leaving bruises and bleeding. That doesn't mean what the ATF and FBI did was ok, but lets be honest about the situation.
The Second Amendment of the United States Constitution reads: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
SuperSniper 77 nowhere in the governments search warrant did it mention anything about an alleged rape. That’s just conjecture and wild speculation from the media and ignorant folks like you.
What some don't realize is the ATF at the time before any of this. Was gonna be shutdown , but they needed this incident to happen in order to keep there jobs. If you visit during the memorial each april. The negociators from the atf and FBI are usually out there. They'll tell ya that the ATF and FBI weren't on the same page. The FBI had the davidians coming out peacefully, but the ATF wouldn't allow it. They wanted an incident to save there jobs. I look back on this, and thank god that eventually justice will be served. Meaning that the agents that lost there lives out there aren't in heaven. But rather burning in hell, the government has no power over the afterlife. They might enjoy the rest of there days on earth. But hell is waiting for them for eternity. No being reunited with there families , for the agents don't deserve it. Even Walter Smith the judge threw out the jurys not guilty verdict and gave all the davidians years in prison. He was the same judge during the 90's lawsuit. Were the davidians were suing for $675 million. All we can do is just pray the Agents responsible never make it into the gates of heaven. But instead the gates of hell. Because again the government has no power in the afterlife. Justice finally served for the wicked! Ash, sulfer and brimstone will fill the air were there going. They can't do a damn thing about it!
@A Search Warrant For Google HQ not a marxist. I actually hate communists. I also hate overly religious freaks. Especially ones that form crazy enclaves in the wilderness, stock up on guns, and threaten people around them. I also hate cults that ruin the lives of their followers, beat children, and sucker vulnerable people into becoming mindless robots. So forgive me if I’m not shedding many tears for the Branch Davidians.
@A Search Warrant For Google HQ I don’t care if someone stocks up on guns. I care about why. Cults never have good reasons. Also they threatened primarily local people, and their own followers to keep them in line. Again, they were a cult. Stop pretending these were just innocent protesters or whatever.
was there as a Fire Fighter and Paramedic and they forcibly kept all the fire departments and medics from doing our jobs! Some of us were even "detained" for trying to honor our oaths!
When i was in college i heard something like this going down. Some dude robbed a gas station ended up driving to the corner of campus and wrecked. Gunfight ensued, it lasted about five minutes with a constant steam of shots popping off. The report that was printed in the papers said the cops only fired between 20-30 rounds at the dude. I heard all of it go down from my dorm room and there had to have been 200+ rounds fired. I learned that day that the authorities will straight up lie to cover their butts or present the facade that they are competent.
It's always surprising/shocking to see police, ATF, FBI, or whichever government enforcement agency fail at a takedown raid. You're repeatedly told and made to believe they're invincible, unstoppable, and can handle anything, and then when you see them fail, it's just unbelievable.
They want to mention an agent was killed a day before his 26th birthday as if it wasn't the government's fault that he was placed in such a situation to begin with.
Time has passed and people have forgotten, but I distinctly remember telling my dad when he came home from work " Well, the damn FBI killed all those people in waco". He had been following the standoff and back then you basically had to wait till you got home and watch the news to get a story. We didn't have internet or cell phones.
Imagine thinking the government is not responsible. Who starts an ambush by walking out unarmed, hands raised, yelling “There are women and children in here!”?? If the government “can’t determine” who shot first, that means they did.
James , I'm curious about your stance here. If a government knew that acts of rape and sodomy on children aged 11 was going on - would they be right to say, nothing to see here , move along?
@@Hikinggamer23 thats not even coherent to the question I asked - but I guess given your name depending on how much you have had will have a baring on what levels of stupid you will write next. Answer the frigging question. should they just leave them alone or act?
@@jonfromtheuk467 as far as i know nobody was raped and everything was legally owned and i didnt know the achohol tobabco and firearms division even dealt with rape weird right shouldnt that have been local police. And if that was the case they should of acted but guess what they dont ever for that sadly
It to bad we now know the last agent who got stuck on the ladder would come to the window his breaching team just went into never looked in and just started sprayed bullets wihout looking in, at his own teamates as a fact now we know all the bullets in the shoot off were all from the team,(FBI Forensic findings found)they had thermal cameras and knew were every person in the biulding were at all times..thats why they picked that breaching point of entry nobody was even 40 feet from there inside the building,and wound up shooting at each other... watch the film..heis team enters and when he catches up he just opens fire blindly..
@Remember the legend Are you an American? I would hope not, but if you are, I'd like to know why you have no rebuttals and instead resort to ad hominem attacks? It doesn't strengthen your position at all. It just shows that you can't see what's going on around you. It's honestly ironic that you'd have a Templar as your profile picture.
Does it seem strange to anyone else that the only videos available on these "American Militias" are all from the same singular news entity? We need more 'unaffiliated' reporters
I just watched on Netflix what really went down...I'm shocked...this is murder by the government.I feel horrible for those poor children .Shame on you government!
Jared D I remember hearing after this incident that Congress was talking about disbanding the ATF. Also remember when ATF flew their flag after the place was burnt down. This was revenge for their dead agents.
My favorite part is where the ATF agent caught a round to his face. Guy would have lived to see 26 if he minded his own business and not try to trample on free people lol
ATF agent: "we saw a SUV following behind us and it was the media and I said what the heck are they doing here?" ....of course they didn't want anybody to document the massacre
Watching the alphabet boys go down brings me so much joy. They should not have enabled tyrany in the form of terrorism. We the people need to make them feel our wrath upon every interaction.
"I need my guns to protect myself from the government." Said the people at the Waco compound right before tanks, helicopters and heavily armed cops show up and throw incendiary bombs through the windows.... If we had a Waco incident again, it would end within a few seconds as soon as a drone fired some missiles at the house.
MrGamerman001 so what you are getting at is we should just roll over and submit? And live without dignity. I’m not a coward like you. Stick to being a bitch... it will take you far
@@havenbanks5778 What he's saying is that you're friggin deluded if you think you can stage a revolt against the government. The US also put down one such uprising in the south, and it'll do it again. But I there are many ways of working with the government in order to improve your life without resorting to cowboy fantasy gun violence. but keep your dreams. Plus, it's just silly to think the 'government is coming for your guns' ... the government wants you to prove that you are capable of using a gun safely. If you can lose your right to vote because you are a criminal, you can lose your right to own a gun if you can't prove that you're capable enough to do so.
Was 3 episodes in until i realized this was a true story. The whole time i’m like the FBI/ATF would never act like that. So sad to find out it actually went down like that.
Monster LMA You might want to get your facts straight. This was a religious commune, and nobody was having the children of the priest, especially underage children ya moron. Why do we keep morons like you alive? I just don't get it. You don't know wtf your talking about, and therefore you shd just stfu. Share your lack of integrity and lack of intelligence someplace else
Vox Populi 1. Making fun of a person because of a conflicting opinion is wrong and makes you look stupid. 2. Please site credible sources for your statements. I've seen you everywhere in this comment section and until you can actually back up your opinion then leave others alone with their own.
Wiggles The Beaver King It's not a matter of opinion. These are facts and we're talking about people's lives and real events.... NOT wether or not chocolate ice cream is the best or not. Sorry but, when people just CHOOSE to be retarded as fuck, and just follow along like moronic sheople... I have zero respect for this mentality.
Wiggles The Beaver King Um excuse me but pointing out how wrong someone is for making intellectually lazy decisions does not make me look stupid. I'm sorry but, I have no respect for people who have zero integrity. It's a choice one makes to NOT think and use their brain. I'm sorry but have you looked at the conditions of our country lately? I dare say that it's got a lot to do w the fact we have way too many dumb mother fuckers just like this? Why would you find this acceptable? Do you not have any standards? Enough already w these people. It's time to start getting on the asses of these mental midgets.
when someone that is on Law Enforcement's side says " We are not sure who fired the first shot" ......that means Law enforcement fired the first shot :) have a nice day !
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"we were just doing our jobs"
You see how that's worse right??
“We were following orders”
The SS officers used the same excuse, the soldiers at mai ly used it to, doesn't excuse them any less
The men under General H. Jacob used the same argument when he told them to kill anyone over ten, the soldiers on the USS wahoo too, the men at the battle of Okinawa rape also, i can keep going, because war doesn't change, of evolves slowly until it isn't war, just a series of scum killing eachother.
I didn't know posing in front of charred corpses was part of their job description, but I believe it
@A Search Warrant For Google HQ the example was set on 4/19/95
“We couldn’t determine who shot first” that means the ATF (The Government) shot first
America is trash!!!!!!!
Exactly
i think her words were something along the lines of "they never determined who really shot first", which suggests that the davidians shot first, but they dont know who. im not siding with the atf here because they handled this terribly, just a thought
@@tjmcmahon8709
The reason it has never been officially documented as to who shot first is the front door, although confiscated as evidence mysteriously disappeared and has never been found. There were several people who did see the door and stated it was riddled with holes made by incoming rounds. Unusual that chain of evidence records do not exist for a crime scene under federal jurisdiction. Perhaps the door was loaded into the U-Haul truck that witnesses said was also present at the Davidian compound ruins before the smoke had cleared. Funny how the media was not permitted anywhere near and was in fact moved further back just prior to the fire being ignited, yet a U-Haul is at the front lines.
There were woman and children in that compound and they were citizens of the United States. They were murdered by their government.
One of the ATF agents told Waco police and Texas Rangers that they (The ATF fired first). He later under oath in a federal inquiry said he was wrong and the Davidians fired first.
They attacked a compound that had children in it. I don’t really know how they expected a group of armed Americans to react.
They always do it with black people
In Texas no less lol
jorge aldridge why do you have to bring race into it?
Armed Americans should put down the guns if at is coming in if they don't want their people to die, I feel bad for the kids though
@@randsp3c709 they didn't fight back.
"There are women and children in here!"
*so anyway, I started blasting...*
@@SyndFire wdym
While a terrible situation for some civilians. This comment cracks me up.
Syndicatefire none of them ever hurt each other dumbshit the only two davidians to die to each other knew what they were doing and it was suicide
Syndicate fire are you actually aware of how stupid you are or do you view yourself in a different light?
@@SyndFire you're one of those people with an extra chromosome I heard about these
"They were waliking into an ambush?!" What a bunch of BS, ATF were the ones doing the ambush.
The photo of the ATF sniper posing over the burned bodies in the compound says everything you need to know about these murders.
Pizza Zombie also seeing the ATF flying their flag when all was done does too. Out of control government thugs that is!
Time stamp ?
Fucking badass. Killed a bunch of psychopaths
Biff F not really. They were only able to kill 4 agents
Greg White I was talking about the agents. Not the crazy cult people.
The Feds knew that David left the compound every Tuesday and they could have apprehended him then. This was about a show of force they wanted a fight but didn't expect to get their ass handed to them in the initial raid.
Jcurvs99 a lesson learned a lesson earned
Weren't they there to follow up suspicion of illegal weapons, and not to apprehend Koresh specifically?
My thoughts exactly. With all the resources and infrastructure the government has at its disposal, they had NO way of getting David alone? They had to kill a ton of innocent people. I mean shit, I’m just a regular civilian but even I could get him out alone.
Ashley B. Ashley EXACTLY
they wouldn't have needed to "apprehend" him, no force would have been necessary. Koresh was a licensed firearms dealer, specifically licensed to do so -- which as a matter of routine requires frequent (and friendly) interaction with law enforcement or inspections. The Koresh's sold weapons at legal markets. From all accounts he was relatively cordial with local law enforcement, and the sheriff offered to the ATF to approach Koresh and bring him for interview - in fact he would have done so merely being asked to do so.
Instead the ATF who was losing their funding and gravitas at the time decided to swing their demon dicks around, then came upon the BD compound with full intent to kill and with premeditated sadism.
These people died so that ATF could show off their military style tactics. David went into Waco every Tuesday and could have easily been taken into custody there but the lead agent wanted to “take him down” in front of his followers.
Definitely agree with you the atf fucked up and it cost a lot of lives and money...
Do you agree with me that the lapd fucked up with Rodney king as well?
The ATF went there to carry out a search warrant for illegal weapons. They weren't there for Koresh specifically.
Are you stupid?
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@@TheNightWatcher1385 So they immediately shot him. Makes sense.
It's disappointing to know that the people we count on as professionals in situations like these, failed so miserably. The fact that no ATF or FBI agents got disciplined for this is maddening. This is exactly why people become radical and hate our government. This was SO EASILY avoidable.
This was not avoidable when the government did it to send a message.
Really ? They burned people alive. It's maddening people miss this fact. Very sad. I hope the officers are tormented every day, for the rest of their lives.
Imagine being a Biden AFT agent and seeing just how many people wanna send in your burn notice. Disheartening to say the least.
They didn’t fail.. they did exactly what they wanted…
Well we fail our gov pet project in Afghanistan and the withdrawal was a joke. When gov think they know more than the ppl. That’s when failure comes in. When lies are spread to be reveal later. We lose trust in the ppl that they think ppl will forget. Obviously waco lead to OKC bombing. Idk the answer. But the ATF came in at full force. I think this could have been handle a lot better and even if ppl are brainwash. That’s their choice. It was a religion I disagree on. But it was theirs. Let someone infatuate the compound and figure a better way. Always a better way.
11 surviving Davidians charged with murder of the ATF agents. All 11 acquitted by reason of self-defense.👍
That’s not good..... as soon as the knocked on the door they opened fire.
@@arandomhuman1996 no they (as in the ATF dog team) shot the Davidians' dogs, other ATF agents mistook it as gunfire coming from the house, and started shooting. That's why they got rid of the front door you so erroneously claim they knocked on after it survived the fire, because all of the bullet holes were going in, NOT out.
@@damianrobbins4167 ok so question how do you tell a bullet hole went in not out?
@@damianrobbins4167 don’t get me wrong I understand the whole dog situation it’s just I’m pretty sure they also fired through the door not just the ATF
@@arandomhuman1996 you're kidding me right? How do you tell which direction a bullet hole was made in? That's simple physics and common sense that police use in investigations all the time. Are you trolling me or are you serious??
Yeah... sorry, but the government sure F'd up this one.
@@LaPride247 Ineffectively.
@@LaPride247 while killing almost 100 innocent people
LaPride247 so it was a success that 26 children died?
They dicked the Dog big time!
J M Koresh used to go out into town every Tuesday. If the ATF were really trying to get him for something, they could have done it then. I have no doubt that Koresh had his faults, but there was a better way to handle this, that didn’t end up with 82 people dying.
Regardless of how crazy Koresh was, the Feds fired first. This is not up for debate.
No conclusive evidence to prove the ATF fired first.
@@loopba
The steel front door of which witnesses stated was riddled with holes made by incoming rounds, although collected as evidence, mysteriously vanished and has never been found.
So yeah, right, just like ya say "no conclusive evidence." Ain't that a bitch? Funny how a fact like this has been swept so far under the rug the sheep people will be content to consider me a conspiracy nut rather than do the research themselves. Well, I ain't as furious as Timothy McVeigh was but don't piss on my head and tell me it's rain..
Peace
@@rickmcroberts9101 Holes through the door still don't indicate who fired first. It was probably retaliation. So, I'll say it again, no conclusive evidence.
@@jackanderson1534 The Branch Dividians didn't suppress the evidence. They were all dead.
GLDENGLOVES not an argument.
Self defense. It's gonna happen again if the government keeps pressing it.
It should happen no matter what not gonna say much cuz feds moniter this shit
Imagine if they had internet on a wide scale like now?
@Willard Winkle yea how did that turn out? you still got your guns don't you. stop with this victim complex, its embarrassing.
@Willard Winkle How'd that work out, by the way?
@Bob sure thing buddy.
This was pretty fluffy. The ATF and FBI murdered those people.
Yep. They waited 51 days to do THAT? 8 Navy Seals at 3 AM would have been a lot more successful.
@@vjrubin neither would be good, both would be war crimes
@@someanarchist6021 how you can comite a war crime without a war?
No the stupid cult people killed themselves.
@@steviejohnson378 You are aware that the military grade CS gas the ATF threw in followed by the spark caused by a flashbang were the cause of the fire, right? This isn't the first time this law enforcement has killed people by conflagration due to igniting CS gas. And if you're a death cult you don't endure almost two months of siege before doing it or negotiate the safe passage of children out of your compound.
To suggest that it was an ambush is totally absurd. How can you attacking their compound be considered an ambush?
To those who support door to door gun confiscation. No matter how good you feel about holding such a position. Every gun in the Mount Carmel Compound was legally owned, yet those who you think are the only ones who should be able to have firearms. Shot and burned innocent people alive because they owned guns. This is the Hell that your road which was paved with good intentions will eventually lead to.
They were illegally modifying them but taking and regulating firearms is an act of fascism, Marx said so himself
some anarchist not just fascism, but totalitarianism in general.
@@R0ZEN7 no, if you would do any actual research you would see it is the exact opposite, marx and others have argued against, Anarchist and marxists pretty much only agree on that and a couple other subjects, the marx quote i was referring to was "Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary."- Karl Marx
@@someanarchist6021 2A makes no modifications illegal.
Besides, none of it was proven. It was all ATF BS.
@@someanarchist6021 You're quoting marx in response to a legal argument in a completely irrelevant argument about fascism. Are you retarded?
ATF Government should be charged with murder
@A Search Warrant For Google HQ you sound absolutely fucking nuts
I just don't understand how this was let go without and repercussions, me and my father talk about it all the time and he says that back in the day everyone knew what had happened and everyone was mad. So much for being a tougher generation.
BoltSea gen x is something else lol. they love to criticize us, but...
@@burnt.norton mark my words as many gen x pussies there are there is just as many true patriots coming up in gen z, big change is coming soon.
Probably had something to do with BIll Clinton being president at the time. His life story is a never ending book of dead bodies.
“We never really figured out who fired that first shot” that tends to happen when you confiscate and destroy the footage and evidence 🙃
Fun fact: a lot of ATF, FBI agents that died in the gun battle died because of friendly fire.
thats really fucking funny
Good
That is a fun fact.
Source? Other than "trust me bro"?
Big funny if true.
@@alepepperoni2563 there is video of it happening. When they breach a first (one above ground) floor window, two agents who have just stepped inside end up in a shootout with one still outside the window.
Edit: the clip around 3:50 is friendly fire.
“They were walking into an ambush” says the liar
“I was sitting in my bed in my pajamas” says the “ambusher”
Your claim that the ATF shot first is baseless with no evidence supporting it, please don't talk if you don't know what you are talking about.
MrAdvantage1 there were people other than a little girl in her pajamas you fucking kook
Christopher Gray You’re claim that the Davidian’s shot first is baseless. The door to Mount Carmel was _proven_ to have entry wounds that came from the outside.
MrAdvantage1 A minority of davidians were shooting with AKMs at the ATF bois so the things got for real,you know what I’m saiyan ?
chanseypantsable Even so, the ATF had ZERO authority to investigate child abuse claims, especially when it was actually legal in Texas at the time.
I'm not siding with anybody, but the cops could have handled it in a much better way. Honestly the cops messed up and innocent people mostly children had to pay the price for their bad planning of a take down
Dude - huh? You literally contradicted yourself 1 sentence later. Obviously, you are taking a side.
They were not innocent...
@@teyalynn_xo The children were.
Not siding with anybody? How far is that boot up your ass at this point?
@Remember the legend Yup...much of it lies to create a ruse to rush that compound. Stop believing Federal lies. They lied to you about all of that.
Utter lack of discipline by the ATF they got that all wrong
Anyone who moves out of the realm of establishment herd mentality will be deemed a threat to their agenda.
I actually want to join one of the alphabet boys, but I could never go atf. Too many things infringing on the 2a.
@@patrickpeters6016
I appreciate that. It's kind of strange where you have an agency that mixes the second amendment (firearms) with vices like alcohol and tobacco.
ATF got it wrong and the FBI put the nail in the coffin. All the coffins...
I’m pretty sure I’m more busy reading the comments than actually watching the video lol.
Who else watched this on Netflix during the 2020 quarantine?
Me!
musicguitar just finished it 2 minutes ago
musicguitar Is it a convenient coincidence or a Conspiracy Theory that they did a PSYCHOLOGICAL OPERATION that they fake false flagged a Covid-19 China War Operation with a real Virus and a false over inflation of facts to get people to SELF PRISON / DESTROY ECONOMY and then they roll out this Netflix series to show you WHAT THEY CAN DO ? All of you are now in that Compound (Your Home Prison doing time) waiting for them to BURN YOU DOWN. Way past time to wake up, you all are almost all the way in the grave, death doesn't forgive STUPIDITY.
MarsShaker War * so what do you propose we do?
@@musicguitar Wake them up from the Matrix. Tell them this series is by design to make people angry, media makes people hate one another. All theater by design. They are working their endgame on us and only being awake to what is truly important and what's going on can get us through this...
This rainbow six siege operation trailer looks lit af
yikes
This is the map called Oregon
So wierd that you commented that, the house in the video is Oregon.
Egg McSavage bro I came to watch this video cuz of r6
Lol
Wow I'm surprised that google and the government let this be shown
Thats why google & TH-cam allow it
Why
One side was doing their job. The other was fighting for their lives.
@Pablo Pulido you're ignorant if you actually believe that
And to add on to that they killed everyone on the 51st day except a woman by the name of ruby ridges who left with the thing they were finishing before they left the compound so basically the overall thing that happened is April 12th the branch davidians surrender April 19th around 9:00 they begin to gas the facility april 19th 9:20ish the gas catches fire april 19th 10:00 ruby exits with the thing they wanted to finish before they surrender april 19th 13:00 the facility is leveled 17 children killed along with multiple others cause of a weapons violation
And in case you weren’t doing all of your research at all 37 people escaped beforehand and the rest were about to leave when they begin to gas the facility and it catches on fire. The whole cause of this a weapons violation (they could add murder but it was self defense and counted as such) so you think a dude is ignorant for the government having 4 people die and a peaceful religious group lose 67 people
And to add on on the first day of it starting David himself came out to call it off and surrender when an ATF person killed a dog and they assumed it was returned fire and starting shooting him hitting him in the gut and hand and it wasn’t confirmed if it came from the final day r then but they killed a 70ish year old man also cause someone shot a dog
Lol. David could've and should've let them go.
The problem was they weren’t hurting nobody out there. They were alone out in Waco Texas
Well, they were abusing the kids. The girl in this video is in another talking about it, as is a mother who said she regretted it because she drew blood from her baby while punishing her. They began beating their kids at 8 months old with a wooden paddle leaving bruises and bleeding. That doesn't mean what the ATF and FBI did was ok, but lets be honest about the situation.
@@meRyanP so the ATF and the FBI should get involved in child abuse claims and the solution is to shoot up the place
meRyanP there’s no true evidence of it, that was what the ATF claimed to confront them in the first place.
@@ethanus_2492 There are both children and parents that were Davidians that claim that.
@@ethanus_2492 yeah because they decided to get armed, refused to surrender, and shoot AFT to death
Imagine watching this and feeling even the tiniest bit of sympathy for the ATF agents.
I feel sympathy for those who’s life’s where cut short and for their respective families, the atf where just following orders
@@erik.j6803When orders are to set fire to a building with children in it, you pack up and go home.
@@erik.j6803 your a racist
@@erik.j6803 to burn down a building with kids in it just so they get there paycheck screw everyone else huh
The Second Amendment of the United States Constitution reads: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
Yes it does. glad you can copy and paste.
Walt Jisney Channel yes but these guns were illegally modified meaning that the ATF could take those
@@King_Potato28 Shall not be infringed
Walt Jisney Channel No where does it say a militia can get away with rape.
SuperSniper 77 nowhere in the governments search warrant did it mention anything about an alleged rape. That’s just conjecture and wild speculation from the media and ignorant folks like you.
What some don't realize is the ATF at the time before any of this. Was gonna be shutdown , but they needed this incident to happen in order to keep there jobs. If you visit during the memorial each april. The negociators from the atf and FBI are usually out there. They'll tell ya that the ATF and FBI weren't on the same page. The FBI had the davidians coming out peacefully, but the ATF wouldn't allow it. They wanted an incident to save there jobs. I look back on this, and thank god that eventually justice will be served. Meaning that the agents that lost there lives out there aren't in heaven. But rather burning in hell, the government has no power over the afterlife. They might enjoy the rest of there days on earth. But hell is waiting for them for eternity. No being reunited with there families , for the agents don't deserve it. Even Walter Smith the judge threw out the jurys not guilty verdict and gave all the davidians years in prison. He was the same judge during the 90's lawsuit. Were the davidians were suing for $675 million. All we can do is just pray the Agents responsible never make it into the gates of heaven. But instead the gates of hell. Because again the government has no power in the afterlife. Justice finally served for the wicked! Ash, sulfer and brimstone will fill the air were there going. They can't do a damn thing about it!
Hmm... the rabbiT hole goes deeper.
"Judge not, lest ye be judged"
You're not winning any favours, Anon.
Their*
Hard to read a righteous one that does not English. Also one is not Christian if wishing hell upon others. Judgement is with God.
@@Trollolololdad ah the old lets not judge lol. Cute how all you folks take that verse out of context. Why don't you recite the rest of it.
The FBI wanted to have a show of force...negotiation wasnt something all sides wanted in the fbi
ATF murdered these ppl
good observation smart one
@@willmoore7898 and yet democrats want more of these people to have more power.
Maybe don’t arm up and refuse to surrender?
@A Search Warrant For Google HQ not a marxist. I actually hate communists.
I also hate overly religious freaks.
Especially ones that form crazy enclaves in the wilderness, stock up on guns, and threaten people around them.
I also hate cults that ruin the lives of their followers, beat children, and sucker vulnerable people into becoming mindless robots.
So forgive me if I’m not shedding many tears for the Branch Davidians.
@A Search Warrant For Google HQ I don’t care if someone stocks up on guns. I care about why. Cults never have good reasons.
Also they threatened primarily local people, and their own followers to keep them in line.
Again, they were a cult. Stop pretending these were just innocent protesters or whatever.
was there as a Fire Fighter and Paramedic and they forcibly kept all the fire departments and medics from doing our jobs! Some of us were even "detained" for trying to honor our oaths!
What department you work for back then?
I saw where you posted something similar on another video. I just wanted to thank you for trying and I hope you are well.
Yes I agree they should have had a contingent for that how stupid law enforcement operation this was
When i was in college i heard something like this going down. Some dude robbed a gas station ended up driving to the corner of campus and wrecked. Gunfight ensued, it lasted about five minutes with a constant steam of shots popping off. The report that was printed in the papers said the cops only fired between 20-30 rounds at the dude. I heard all of it go down from my dorm room and there had to have been 200+ rounds fired. I learned that day that the authorities will straight up lie to cover their butts or present the facade that they are competent.
THE FBI'S ATTITUDE WAS, "COME OUT SO THAT WE CAN GET A BETTER SHOT AT YA!"
Federal pigs "I hears those shots go over my head it was so scary"
Also federal pigs *so anyway we burned the compound with kids down*
It's always surprising/shocking to see police, ATF, FBI, or whichever government enforcement agency fail at a takedown raid. You're repeatedly told and made to believe they're invincible, unstoppable, and can handle anything, and then when you see them fail, it's just unbelievable.
I hope that you will Now understand that they are crap
Same sht your government makes you think about “justified” wars they create…
They want to mention an agent was killed a day before his 26th birthday as if it wasn't the government's fault that he was placed in such a situation to begin with.
Koresh and ATF. This should be called Battle of the Ego
ummm not really
If they had bring ash with them, she could have breached the building walls fast
Should have just picked fuze
All they had to do was plant the defuser on the washing machine.
Supra theyre not stupid. They reinforced hatches like you should. Bring a hibana
@@AhmedSalah-ir7wp and a thermite and a maverick
no no no. they should’ve brought kali, ash, hibana, thermite, and nøøk
Time has passed and people have forgotten, but I distinctly remember telling my dad when he came home from work " Well, the damn FBI killed all those people in waco". He had been following the standoff and back then you basically had to wait till you got home and watch the news to get a story. We didn't have internet or cell phones.
Crazy how we as a society forget about this crazy ass event. Welp thank god for Netflix😄
I didn't forget, and it's one of the reasons I'm anarchist
Imagine thinking the government is not responsible. Who starts an ambush by walking out unarmed, hands raised, yelling “There are women and children in here!”?? If the government “can’t determine” who shot first, that means they did.
Alcohol is legal. Tobacco is legal. Firearms are legal. Why do we need this "agency"?
Because taxes.....those sticky fingers want a piece
@@gizmoteg The real question is "why do tax agents have a SWAT team?"
I remember this going down. For all intents and purposes, David Koresh was completely in his rights. The government had no business invading them.
James , I'm curious about your stance here. If a government knew that acts of rape and sodomy on children aged 11 was going on - would they be right to say, nothing to see here , move along?
@@jonfromtheuk467 so to save the kids lets make sure they are dead does that sound right you fucking sheep
@@Hikinggamer23 thats not even coherent to the question I asked - but I guess given your name depending on how much you have had will have a baring on what levels of stupid you will write next. Answer the frigging question. should they just leave them alone or act?
@@jonfromtheuk467 as far as i know nobody was raped and everything was legally owned and i didnt know the achohol tobabco and firearms division even dealt with rape weird right shouldnt that have been local police. And if that was the case they should of acted but guess what they dont ever for that sadly
@@jonfromtheuk467 wasnt your queen the last person to see 27 children before they vanished years ago as well
Puts a smile on my face knowing ATF agents died that day. Made the choice to help infringe apoun our constitutional rights, made the choice to die.
They won’t show the unedited footage. The ATF stormed the place and even shot at their own agents. That roof footage was edited on tv as well.
This new “confessions of a murderer” show sounds pretty cool.
It to bad we now know the last agent who got stuck on the ladder would come to the window his breaching team just went into never looked in and just started sprayed bullets wihout looking in, at his own teamates as a fact now we know all the bullets in the shoot off were all from the team,(FBI Forensic findings found)they had thermal cameras and knew were every person in the biulding were at all times..thats why they picked that breaching point of entry nobody was even 40 feet from there inside the building,and wound up shooting at each other... watch the film..heis team enters and when he catches up he just opens fire blindly..
This is a perfect example of propaganda
@Captain Autismlook at your name says alot about you
@Remember the legend Are you an American? I would hope not, but if you are, I'd like to know why you have no rebuttals and instead resort to ad hominem attacks? It doesn't strengthen your position at all. It just shows that you can't see what's going on around you. It's honestly ironic that you'd have a Templar as your profile picture.
Does it seem strange to anyone else that the only videos available on these "American Militias" are all from the same singular news entity? We need more 'unaffiliated' reporters
I just watched on Netflix what really went down...I'm shocked...this is murder by the government.I feel horrible for those poor children .Shame on you government!
They wanted blood why else would you send so many in full gear for a guy who came to town all the time.
FBI, ATF. Two ways to abbreviate the word clusterfuck.
Janet Reno really screwed that one up.
The Reno Monster let the Hounds loose!
Jared D I remember hearing after this incident that Congress was talking about disbanding the ATF. Also remember when ATF flew their flag after the place was burnt down. This was revenge for their dead agents.
Janet Reno was her hands clean of this. Between this and ruby ridge her career was a disaster.
Reno had just been sworn in at the time and the FBI repeatedly gave her bad information
Remember, the lesson of Waco is that you never allow the enemy to retreat in good order
My favorite part is where the ATF agent caught a round to his face. Guy would have lived to see 26 if he minded his own business and not try to trample on free people lol
Agreed.
When
@@Mr_ice51
No footage of that, but the agent talks about it at 4:55
@@TGWT94S ok
The fact the we allow the government to force us to stay at home now and do as they say really shows how much we learn from history.
this incident broke timothy McVeigh seriously.
they did confirm who shot the first shot it was the atf
So why exactly would they come packing SO MUCH if they were just going in for a search warrant? They knew what they were gonna start.
I’m glad the comments aren’t buying these murderers story
ATF agent: "we saw a SUV following behind us and it was the media and I said what the heck are they doing here?" ....of course they didn't want anybody to document the massacre
Ever single agent that was wounded or hurt deserves it for being apart of that raid shame on them for being murderers killing children
Watching the alphabet boys go down brings me so much joy. They should not have enabled tyrany in the form of terrorism. We the people need to make them feel our wrath upon every interaction.
4:16 Notice she isn’t a “former” davidian like the rest
4:31. ATF agent on right ladder shoots himself in the leg unholstering his pistol.
You guys imagine the federal agents asking you to call the ambulance 🤦🏻♂️😂🤣
How do you ambush people at their own home and then claim to be the victim that "walked into an ambush"
Couldnt you have just,, not went...
@@NAGIUXS finally someone who actually sees things for what they rlly r
Could and should have been handled differently,the u.s. gov't is out of controll
I'm pissed off he didn't place land mines 😡
One lesson I learned from this siege is ordinary US citizens can defeat the Government and any US federal agency.
WE THE PEOPLE 🇺🇸✊
Both the ATF and FBI needed to be shut down !
Let’s also not forget Ruby Ridge
"I need my guns to protect myself from the government." Said the people at the Waco compound right before tanks, helicopters and heavily armed cops show up and throw incendiary bombs through the windows.... If we had a Waco incident again, it would end within a few seconds as soon as a drone fired some missiles at the house.
MrGamerman001 so what you are getting at is we should just roll over and submit? And live without dignity. I’m not a coward like you. Stick to being a bitch... it will take you far
@@havenbanks5778 What he's saying is that you're friggin deluded if you think you can stage a revolt against the government. The US also put down one such uprising in the south, and it'll do it again. But I there are many ways of working with the government in order to improve your life without resorting to cowboy fantasy gun violence. but keep your dreams.
Plus, it's just silly to think the 'government is coming for your guns' ... the government wants you to prove that you are capable of using a gun safely. If you can lose your right to vote because you are a criminal, you can lose your right to own a gun if you can't prove that you're capable enough to do so.
@@ironboxfilms *laughs in vietcong & Taliban
Badge Bullies and gun grabbers need to realize you can never take someones" secret" weapons! Necessity over rules all laws!!!
I hate that so many people don’t even know about this.
Part 5? 🥺
Was 3 episodes in until i realized this was a true story. The whole time i’m like the FBI/ATF would never act like that. So sad to find out it actually went down like that.
lmao.
how?
Mindless robots just "following orders" smh That is just the weakest most pathetic excuse I have ever heard
Lol that's you when you at work too .. you're just a robot following orders
Sounds like people need to learn to listen to themselves, and stop following anyone blindly.
F8oK8 those people weren't criminials, neither did David.check other videos for the rest of the corrpted government info part
yeah man people can do whatever they want and follow who they want and not get murder for it kinda of the point of US
ATF shouldn’t even been there.
Where's part 3??? 🤔
Wait what was this about again
Monster LMA you should have killed them
Monster LMA You might want to get your facts straight. This was a religious commune, and nobody was having the children of the priest, especially underage children ya moron. Why do we keep morons like you alive? I just don't get it. You don't know wtf your talking about, and therefore you shd just stfu. Share your lack of integrity and lack of intelligence someplace else
Vox Populi 1. Making fun of a person because of a conflicting opinion is wrong and makes you look stupid. 2. Please site credible sources for your statements. I've seen you everywhere in this comment section and until you can actually back up your opinion then leave others alone with their own.
Wiggles The Beaver King It's not a matter of opinion. These are facts and we're talking about people's lives and real events.... NOT wether or not chocolate ice cream is the best or not. Sorry but, when people just CHOOSE to be retarded as fuck, and just follow along like moronic sheople... I have zero respect for this mentality.
Wiggles The Beaver King Um excuse me but pointing out how wrong someone is for making intellectually lazy decisions does not make me look stupid. I'm sorry but, I have no respect for people who have zero integrity. It's a choice one makes to NOT think and use their brain. I'm sorry but have you looked at the conditions of our country lately? I dare say that it's got a lot to do w the fact we have way too many dumb mother fuckers just like this? Why would you find this acceptable? Do you not have any standards? Enough already w these people. It's time to start getting on the asses of these mental midgets.
This was a tragedy of epic proportions!!
They shoulda done to the ATF and FBI agents that were responsible what they did at Nuremberg to the Nazis
Atf should be shut down and go to jail
The agent with the beard talking is a literal meme now
This is where America is headed. A runaway train. Nobody can stop it.
clarkewi we the people can stop it you're dead wrong about that
The Bundys told Obama and the Feds to fuck off with their land grabs and they won without firing a shot.
A large cancer on society was removed that siege.
They should have picked Mira in laundry room...
I like the part when they shoot the ATF agents.
One of the ATF's biggest blunders.....they should be prosecuted.
Same FBI in charge here also murdered an innocent mother at Ruby Ridge the year before before.
when someone that is on Law Enforcement's side says " We are not sure who fired the first shot" ......that means Law enforcement fired the first shot :) have a nice day !
The more older I get the more I do t trust the government , I’m scared .
no one fucking cares about your problems
Abolish the ATF
Oh look! It’s George Suffluppigus. Hi, little man! Isn’t he an adorable manlet?
When the government says you don't need guns, you need guns.
How can people follow a guy sleep with him knowing he himself is sinning and look the other way...desperate women and men