Is no-one going to mention the way the loco "bounces"? This is especially noticeable when looking at the coal bunker area, which seems to tie up with the bogie wheel not turning.... Imagine being on the footplate, definite motion sickness going on there!! Got to be half a star off of the performance for that surely?
I was thinking the same. Obviously the issue is the driving wheels are at the front with a lot of over hang at the back. Poor decision to make the bogies sprung rather than weight supporting.
£190 for a locomotive of that detail is still a steal compared to the current steam offerings in the US. You guys have it so much better across the pond!
@@ToledoRailsBachmann USA’s steam engines are ridiculously overpriced. Their USRA 0-6-0, which has been around since the 80’s, is over $150, and their porter tank engine isn’t much cheaper. Both of those models are extremely basic in terms of detail, mechanism, and color schemes. And that’s just the small 0-6-0’s, let alone the bigger engines. We seriously need an affordable option for entry level steam locomotives here, Bachmann are too greedy to price their models reasonably.
Man I should really go to sleep. I got half way through the video thinking this was an O gauge loco. I was thinking why has this O gauge loco got OO scale couplings 😂
One major thing I can see, is that Bachmann had greatly improved their mechanisms. Not blatantly overspeeding, good specs, good looking (unless you get close), and great performance. The boiler problem and the lining are not a no-go for me (but I'm more on the LNER black version). The only real black spot for me is the overall price. At the GBP150 mark, that would have been tolerable, but for GBP 180/190... Honestly, I love this engine, and her performance are more than good enough for an exploitation-driver modeller, but the price and the boiler gaps makes me looks twice before putting her on my shopping list, I have a DB V200 in sight for July, and she won't take her seat but, for August... I don't know. As I said, at GBP 150, I'll get mine right now. At a GBP 180/190 price, honestly... I'm already an happy owner of the 1P, and I'm not hurry to have a second one in this wheel configuration.
Thanks for another great, detailed review Sam. I’m just running in my NER green version. Just a tiny paper-thickness gap between plastic and metal boiler parts. And no sign of a different coloured dome, though I’m viewing mine in natural light. I wonder if your room lighting is a factor? Hideous pricing 🤦🏼♂️
I’m not the biggest North Eastern Railway fan out there, but this is such a nice loco. This, the J72, Aerolite and the M1 are quite splendid designs that really shine with the lime green livery.
You refer to ‘adding vacuum pipes’ - yet these are quite clearly factor fitted Sam! The additional pipes you can fit are actually STEAM HEAT pipes so as to provide heating for the passenger coaches. Because they all hung down below the buffer beam and thus would foul a tension lock coupling (plus on the real thing were sometimes removed during summer months when heating was not considered necessary) they get included as separate details for the use4 to add if they wish. On other locos from other companies these steam pipes may be augmented by connections for a vacuum or air operated push - pull system.
Gotta say for a second it looked like an LSWR M7 from the thumbnail. Still, it looks lovely but, the split in the boiler is very off-putting. The green NER livery is definitely more noticeable than the GNR or LNER green. It does draw a lot more attention. However, for the extreme price, it's stretching it a little. If I had to choose, I would pick the Johnson 1P for a lower price. Still, the trailing wheels having pick-ups is very impressive and unlike the Adams 02 from EFE this one works very nicely. Like it, but too expensive for me, especially that the Dapol D1 Class you showed last time only costs a tiny bit more, and you get so much more loco for the money. Still, great review, Sam 👍👍
I have got the LNER version and the BR early versions both with sound, the models are superb with no build issues. They run fantastic! It’s a locomotive I have been wanting for a long time. Yes it’s a expensive, but no more than other exclusive models from Hornby, Rails ETC. ES1 is £220. I would like to applaud TMC for bring to the market a new model which has not been done before, instead of the endless duplication we see. It’s nice to see North Eastern region modellers finally getting locomotives for our area K1,Q6,ES1,J27, E1 and now the G5; I just hope someone will produce a J21 or J25! 🤞Especially since the sole surviving J21 is currently being restored to steam in the next couple of years!
@@oliverwatkiss6113£280 for sound - but the way I thought about it you pay £30-£40 for decent standard Dcc chip for an extra £60 you might as well get sound and you don’t have to mess fitting the chip and adjusting cv etc. ESU, Zimo etc are about £100 if you were to retro fit a loco. I personally find sound adds a extra dimension when running it . The sound quality is very good too. Yes it’s expensive, but I get a lot of pleasure from my models
The join in the boiler isn't something ive seen mentioned elsewhere, nor noticed it on my LNER lined black version, even going back and looking at it again, it's barely noticable. Perhaps the colour has something to do with that. The price issue is down to it being a commission, if Bachmann had done it themselves, it would most likely have been cheaper (though there are a LOT of tooling and detail variations) but a commission is always going to be more expensive as the commissioner is paying the manufacturer to make something for them, and are therefore having to buy r&d time and production slots which would have been allocated to their own projects. I'm in no way a fan of higher prices, but I understand where they come from, especially where R&D comes into the equation. It's a lot more complex than many people realise, not just a case of get a scale drawing and away you go. I was amazed at how silent mine ran straight out of the box, smooth and controllable. The sound chip is excellent too, though a slightly bassier speaker for a bit more bark on the exhaust would have been nice. I'm certainly looking forward to having a but of time to fit the details, paint and add a crew, and slightly weather mine to make it fully ready for service!
I don’t have any 0-4-4 tank engines in my collection at the moment and from the looks of this it looks fantastic even though I don’t really go for the pre grouping locomotives so maybe I may look into one of the BR liveried ones, decent review overall here Sam, as I have said before while exclusives may be expensive they give us modellers the chance to own locomotives that would likely not be made.
Thanks David - it certainly is lovely overall. And sure, that's the upside of exclusives... though manufacturers could make them non-exclusive if they wanted to ;) Thanks for watching, Sam :)
"They" say that with good looks, function becomes less important. "They" obviously hadn't seen this loco before that remark. Nice review. Thanks for saving me some money. BTW - next time I run into "They" I'll say howdy for you.
Hi sam I hope you are well Yes I did a review on this model. Yes the price is same as cr812 loco Only issue I had was that under the bunker you can see pcb board and wires. But seem a good model.. Thank you for sharing your models with us Keep safe ARP
Sam, having looked at other pictures and videos of the model, I reckon you have a fault with the lining up of the two boiler sections. I still see a small gap but they are generally lined up. Plus the fit of the dome and chimney is not good as you point out. Youshould send it back for a replacement.
Just bought one of these at full price (£190). I have to say I think it's my favourite locomotive, it runs so well and looks great. Mine had none of these defects luckily and you cannot see the join between smokebox and rest of the boiler. The only clue it is there is the weight on the front end and the dome also is the same colour. Perhaps they tweaked their design
I have the LNER (1752) version. My loco does not have any misalignment between the 2 halves of the boiler and I was not aware there were issues until watching this video. Perhaps yours is a one off, but it is still not good since it was not detected at final inspection. I can confirm mine runs superbly and has plenty of traction. My only issue was how difficult it was to fit the cab doors.
I also obtained an example of the LNER 1752, and mine does not display the gap between the boiler sections either. I suspect that’s Sam may have just unfortunately received a model with a defect
You know I love it that you dude reviews on new locomotives but when it has the detail bags in it for like extra detailing. I would like to see how it would look if the details were attached on to it. Maybe put it on the locomotive after you did your initial view of the train. So that way we will have a chance to see what it looks like with the detail attached to the locomotive.
Most of the time the details can't be fitted to the model without compromising the loco's ability to run/couple, particularly if you run on 2nd radius like my layout in places. Otherwise you're right, that would be good for the reviews! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Hi mukka, No one is talking about the vertical wobble evident with the tender end! I was laughing MAO when I first saw you run it. Yet you, and other viewers, have failed to mention it so I will. What is wrong with it? Certainly will aid in shaking the coal pile level! 😅 I won't be paying Bachmann's extortionate prices... especially for the dodgy boiler... what a howler... two different diameters!!! What were they thinking? Talk about a bodge job. Stay safe chum. Regards to you and Chloe from Oz. Gaz
Fantastic looking loco Sam. She really pops in that livery! Odd engineering choices as you've pointed out though. Joining plastics and die cast with some substantial inner volume is asking for alignment trouble due to different thermal shrink coefficients..., very commonly known in the industry... You'd be thinking that a boiler as 1 piece in plastic and a flywheel should be pretty trivial standard, providing a better weight distribution front to back as well; quite shocking that some German style priced OO locos apparently still omit a fly wheel. We wouldn't be exactly keen on the very thin (flimsy) pickup solution either (and still causing too much drag). Far better solutions have been developed for premium locos which are extremely low friction and way more solid. It is what it is, and overall, certainly not too bad. She looks popping amazing and runs well. Cheerio. Edit / addendum: do correct us if we are wrong, but Bachmann (and also Heljan) seem to have the least of the manufacturing quality faults out of the box (usually second to none). Having seen your many reviews of Accurascale, Dapol, Hornby, Rapido..., they always have quite some issues and errors (high error rate). That's worth a price as well in our opinion (solid quality checks during production stages are costly).
0-4-4 locos don't lend themselves to being in model form. I have got the Hornby H Class and the DJ Models O2 tank, and the issue of the bogie wheels scraping along the rail is noticeable with these as it is in this video! Thanks for reviewing this loco.
The odd one out is the LBSC e4 because it’s one of Thomas’ cousins and the NER loco is great plus I wish I have got the GNR 4 wheel coaches including the other 4 wheel coaches in different liveries from different companies
Seems like Bachmann made the engine one day, and then got lazy on the other when you mentioned the bad from the model. I just knew the crawl would be good due to the pick-ups, and boy was I impressed!
Wow, that gap in the boiler is crazy… I can hardly believe that’s there… I was surprised to see this review, like you said, I forgot this existed! That price is crazy, think those massive accurascale locos that are cheaper than this
Saw this loco on the TMC advert on email, it looked great. I like 0-4-4’s. However on seeing the price it caused a ‘koff. Having seen your review now with the boiler join I agree all metal or plastic, just settle for metal. I hope the chimney etc problem can be ironed out. Thanks for your review.
My suspicions on the massive price is due to the "exclusivity" factor and honestly nothing to do with inflation (Its just a theory, take it with a grain of salt). Historically, previous Bachmann models sold as exclusives have always had a hefty price. If this was a main range model I would like to believe it would've been similar in price to the 1P. Speaking of the 1P, it does seem as though Bachmann took criticism and feedback from said model and applied those practices on the G5, example being the "semi" die-cast boiler which omits the need for traction tyres unlike the 1P. The join between the boiler halves is interesting as my 3 (yes I bought 3 I'm insane) locos don't have that. Maybe yours is a one off? I've also noticed that yours "limps" at the lower speeds. Not sure what would be the cause of that.
Exclusive models are as close to an anti-competitive practice as you can get. If multiple retailers got together to agree a fixed price with a manufacturer, that would be illegal. If two or more manufacturers got together to agree to not compete by avoiding overlapping products, it would be illegal. Yet...
At 14:05 you can see a the bit of plastic at the base of the firebox. I suspect that may a locating lug that has not seated correctly. The crooked angle of the firebox seen at that point and the misfit of the boiler may be caused by that little lug?
The gap between the two parts of the boiler is truly awful and very noticable. Reminds me of a slice N splice job where a dodgy car dealer welds the halves of two write-offs together.😬 Very bouncy too due to the bogies being sprung rather than weight supporting. Very poor design. I had an old Triang M7 0-4-4 with the same issue as a kid and it kept derailing over points as a consequence. Lovely finish on the livery, something Bachmann are superb at, but too many issues for me even if it was a more reasonable price.
I’ll have to admit, I thought it was beautiful, but the issues with the dome colour, boiler joint and diameter, I Iwas constantly drawn to it. The paint problem is easy for Bachmann to sort out, and after adjusting the boiler diameter, maybe they could sleeve the two parts to reduce the light gap twixt the two?
I'm not disagreeing with you Sam, But the C.G. is perfect over the Drive Axles. That has always been a concern of mine with that Wheel Arrangement Loco. I wonder if you can put an ounce weight just on the rear bogie itself to get the rear axle to move a little freer.
Hi Sam. As always a very honest review! One wonders how such glaring errors pass the quality control! Maybe that’s the answer, there ain’t any! As regards price I agree with you that a loco should be as near perfect out of the box as possible to warrant £200 price tag. IF WE JUST USE OUR HEADS AND STOP BUYING OVER PRICED TAT MAYBE EVENTUALLY MANUFACTURES WILL GET THE MESSAGE! Will that happen….I’m not so sure!
The usual pointless apoplexy in these comments, but the price is what it is and if you can't afford the model (I can't, really), don't buy it. If you really want a G5 it compares well with the price of a kit and all the additional parts needed, and it is built and decorated for you! Sam's example does appear to be a lemon and should really be returned to TMC - there are plenty of others pictured online that don't show any misalignment of the boiler. A friend is getting a BR black example and I look forward to seeing it in the flesh.
Model rail reminds me of hifi. Sometimes you wonder what you are getting for the money. The company i worked for seriously charged. Then we told people we spent it on the rescue service to make them feel better about it.
Just watched your video on the athearn sd60 May I suggest Broadway limited and MTH? MTH doesn't exist anymore but you probably could find a DC HO engine or set of theirs. I think Broadway Limited has a switch somewhere to go from dcc to DC, their 4-12-2s are worth taking a look at Also Scale trains. If I remember right the bearing caps actually spin on their engines
Hey Sam, great review! Speaking of locomotives being restored, I made a video about how the E2’s could be better locomotives and recommend someone to rebuild one, yet better than how they were originally constructed. Keep up the work on your end Sam. 😉✌️
I suspect the higher price is due to the lower production run, which is snag with the exclusive commissioned models, obversely a none exclusive would have a much higher production run and thus lower cost per a unit. To some extent this is catch 22 as we simply wouldn’t get as many models and mor run of the mill ones, namely it we would be less likely to some something like this.
The G5 models do look good however irl the new G5 is a new Class member and not a Replica. In fact 8 out of the 24 new build projects are actually Replicas
The price difference for locos manufactured for retailers may be for limited production runs that are funded. On the plus side, you tend to get more unusual types, all be it at a premium price. The question is, do you want to support the retailer's efforts so that they will continue to produce items of more limited interest?
If you'd had the 35-256Z version to review, BR lined black early emblem no.67282, as I've bought, I think you'd find an extra star each for detail and for value would be justified.
Great vid Sam. Ouch!!! 199 pounds is $380 here in Australia. It mostly looks nice with plenty of details, but some not fitting outstanding and I can't help but wonder if it was missed by quality control systems. I can't not stare at the boiler join and the dome is not even close to matching the rest of the green. Regards, Jas. VK4FJGS Rocky Qld.
your having a bad run with the QA the G5 boiler and sonics running plate - have the same G5 and no issues with boiler alignment, and both sonics have straight running boards.
Tbh with those super expensive models there should be 0 issues right out of the box, I'm willing to buy very cheap locomotives and fix the issues myself but at high prices they should be completely perfect in every way out of the box
Bachmann has produced the Double Fairley. There is no excuse for the fit of the boiler pieces. Plastic boiler with a removable internal weight would have been much better.
Hi Sam, Great review as always. I am pleased to say my example has better lining, to the naked eye it looks perfect, with a zoomed in picture there may be something similar to yours but you cannot see it, even with magnified glasses. On my example the boiler is uniform along from front to back, no difference in diameter.. There is still slight gap between plastic and diecast but they are in alignment. The dome is still a different colour however. I would maybe have a word with TMC and see if they can swap it for a one with better boiler alignment, as IMHO that's a production fault... Keep up the great reviews Sam, I enjoy them all... Oh one last thing if you want an alternative 0-4-4 pre grouping tank then the Johnson 1P or Hornby H class, are only available 2nd hand somewhere North of £200.....Its time the mftgs started to fill this demand me thinks... And a brand new one for less than £200 suddenly doesn't look quite so bad... 😁
Really beautiful locomotive. I think some of the problems would be somewhat hidden with a black livery. Probably overpriced for me though despite me modelling LNER
I have been thinking about the pricing issue. Apart from the smaller production run across multiple variants, which immediately means a higher price per unit, TMC will have had to underwrite a part if not all of the manufacturing costs that Bachmann would usually incur plus part or all of Bachmann’s profit margin. Bachmann would also have charged a fee for use of their manufacturing slot at the factory. So the price to the initial buyers and those on preorder has to recoup that and provide an appropriate reward for the possible losses on those which do not sell in the first flush of enthusiasm for the model. If we look at the Southern Foreland now available at £60 less than initial offered price, it is clear not all these pre-grouping locos will be great deals financially for the manufacturer. So on balance I am OK on the price as I do not have enough to say whether a few pounds less was the right risk/reward trade off point. Does not address the quality of course.
It's a lovely locomotive. However because of the lack of diecast and the Dome been a different green it is much to expensive. It also is a small Engine for that price. Take care Sam Basil.
I preordered mine a week after announcement, back in very early 2018. They arrived before this video was released (although I've been too busy to watch this video for a while), and although the NER one (as per the new build) is perfect, the BR one I got (early crest with westinghouse pump) is noisy at around half speed and over (which developed during running in), so it's going back this week. Not to mention the BR one had its front half of the boiler not fitted correctly, so needed disassembly to sort that. And almost all the driving wheel pickups needed adjusting too, on both models. I wasn't particularly happy when the prices of the G5s were announced about a year ago, but they're an important NER model that I need in my fleet. Now I'm just in need of coaches for them...
What a lovely loco, sooo tempted to pick one up t9 go with my NER E1. Going to be hard to not, I’ll have to see, as I don’t like the price one bit, especially since I would have to import it to North America. Also, I think that three star on detail is a bit harsh, but all together a great review. P.S. did you see that Bachmann upgraded their 9F? On the Rails of Sheffield listing it has wires running between the loco and tender.
@@SamsTrainsit’s a beautiful model. I’ve not run it yet. I took it out to admire it and stowed it away (I’m still building my layout). If you’re not getting one, would you like to borrow it for a video? My layout won’t be ready for a few months yet. Be nice to see it run and get an expert option on it.
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So Sam my question , are they going to correct the mismatched boiler or still make it mis matched and the color is matched . But it still looks good though hard to criticize.
Is no-one going to mention the way the loco "bounces"? This is especially noticeable when looking at the coal bunker area, which seems to tie up with the bogie wheel not turning....
Imagine being on the footplate, definite motion sickness going on there!! Got to be half a star off of the performance for that surely?
I was thinking the same. Obviously the issue is the driving wheels are at the front with a lot of over hang at the back. Poor decision to make the bogies sprung rather than weight supporting.
£190 for a locomotive of that detail is still a steal compared to the current steam offerings in the US. You guys have it so much better across the pond!
You do know that 190.00 is equal to 242.00 US, still a bargain?
@@peters1127 it’s a steal compared to Bachmann US selling 40+ year old tooling for $200
@@ToledoRailsBachmann USA’s steam engines are ridiculously overpriced. Their USRA 0-6-0, which has been around since the 80’s, is over $150, and their porter tank engine isn’t much cheaper. Both of those models are extremely basic in terms of detail, mechanism, and color schemes. And that’s just the small 0-6-0’s, let alone the bigger engines. We seriously need an affordable option for entry level steam locomotives here, Bachmann are too greedy to price their models reasonably.
Man I should really go to sleep. I got half way through the video thinking this was an O gauge loco. I was thinking why has this O gauge loco got OO scale couplings 😂
It's a really good runner, despite those assembly issues. All that weight on the driving wheels is impressive.
Nice collection of 0-4-4s!
One major thing I can see, is that Bachmann had greatly improved their mechanisms. Not blatantly overspeeding, good specs, good looking (unless you get close), and great performance. The boiler problem and the lining are not a no-go for me (but I'm more on the LNER black version). The only real black spot for me is the overall price. At the GBP150 mark, that would have been tolerable, but for GBP 180/190... Honestly, I love this engine, and her performance are more than good enough for an exploitation-driver modeller, but the price and the boiler gaps makes me looks twice before putting her on my shopping list, I have a DB V200 in sight for July, and she won't take her seat but, for August... I don't know. As I said, at GBP 150, I'll get mine right now. At a GBP 180/190 price, honestly... I'm already an happy owner of the 1P, and I'm not hurry to have a second one in this wheel configuration.
Thanks for another great, detailed review Sam. I’m just running in my NER green version. Just a tiny paper-thickness gap between plastic and metal boiler parts. And no sign of a different coloured dome, though I’m viewing mine in natural light. I wonder if your room lighting is a factor?
Hideous pricing 🤦🏼♂️
I’m not the biggest North Eastern Railway fan out there, but this is such a nice loco. This, the J72, Aerolite and the M1 are quite splendid designs that really shine with the lime green livery.
You refer to ‘adding vacuum pipes’ - yet these are quite clearly factor fitted Sam!
The additional pipes you can fit are actually STEAM HEAT pipes so as to provide heating for the passenger coaches. Because they all hung down below the buffer beam and thus would foul a tension lock coupling (plus on the real thing were sometimes removed during summer months when heating was not considered necessary) they get included as separate details for the use4 to add if they wish.
On other locos from other companies these steam pipes may be augmented by connections for a vacuum or air operated push - pull system.
Gotta say for a second it looked like an LSWR M7 from the thumbnail. Still, it looks lovely but, the split in the boiler is very off-putting. The green NER livery is definitely more noticeable than the GNR or LNER green. It does draw a lot more attention. However, for the extreme price, it's stretching it a little. If I had to choose, I would pick the Johnson 1P for a lower price. Still, the trailing wheels having pick-ups is very impressive and unlike the Adams 02 from EFE this one works very nicely. Like it, but too expensive for me, especially that the Dapol D1 Class you showed last time only costs a tiny bit more, and you get so much more loco for the money. Still, great review, Sam 👍👍
I have got the LNER version and the BR early versions both with sound, the models are superb with no build issues.
They run fantastic!
It’s a locomotive I have been wanting for a long time. Yes it’s a expensive, but no more than other exclusive models from Hornby, Rails ETC. ES1 is £220.
I would like to applaud TMC for bring to the market a new model which has not been done before, instead of the endless duplication we see.
It’s nice to see North Eastern region modellers finally getting locomotives for our area K1,Q6,ES1,J27, E1 and now the G5; I just hope someone will produce a J21 or J25! 🤞Especially since the sole surviving J21 is currently being restored to steam in the next couple of years!
How much did the sound models cost?
@@oliverwatkiss6113£280 for sound - but the way I thought about it you pay £30-£40 for decent standard Dcc chip for an extra £60 you might as well get sound and you don’t have to mess fitting the chip and adjusting cv etc.
ESU, Zimo etc are about £100 if you were to retro fit a loco.
I personally find sound adds a extra dimension when running it . The sound quality is very good too.
Yes it’s expensive, but I get a lot of pleasure from my models
The join in the boiler isn't something ive seen mentioned elsewhere, nor noticed it on my LNER lined black version, even going back and looking at it again, it's barely noticable. Perhaps the colour has something to do with that.
The price issue is down to it being a commission, if Bachmann had done it themselves, it would most likely have been cheaper (though there are a LOT of tooling and detail variations) but a commission is always going to be more expensive as the commissioner is paying the manufacturer to make something for them, and are therefore having to buy r&d time and production slots which would have been allocated to their own projects. I'm in no way a fan of higher prices, but I understand where they come from, especially where R&D comes into the equation. It's a lot more complex than many people realise, not just a case of get a scale drawing and away you go.
I was amazed at how silent mine ran straight out of the box, smooth and controllable. The sound chip is excellent too, though a slightly bassier speaker for a bit more bark on the exhaust would have been nice.
I'm certainly looking forward to having a but of time to fit the details, paint and add a crew, and slightly weather mine to make it fully ready for service!
I don’t have any 0-4-4 tank engines in my collection at the moment and from the looks of this it looks fantastic even though I don’t really go for the pre grouping locomotives so maybe I may look into one of the BR liveried ones, decent review overall here Sam, as I have said before while exclusives may be expensive they give us modellers the chance to own locomotives that would likely not be made.
Thanks David - it certainly is lovely overall. And sure, that's the upside of exclusives... though manufacturers could make them non-exclusive if they wanted to ;)
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
The odd one out in this video is the LBSCR E4 as it is an 0-6-2 and not an 0-4-4
0-4-4 locomotives always look nice.
"They" say that with good looks, function becomes less important. "They" obviously hadn't seen this loco before that remark. Nice review. Thanks for saving me some money. BTW - next time I run into "They" I'll say howdy for you.
What a beauty! Pre-grouping railway liveries on British 🇬🇧 locomotives do it for me! 😊
I like the Westinghouse air pump on the side!
Hi sam
I hope you are well
Yes I did a review on this model.
Yes the price is same as cr812 loco
Only issue I had was that under the bunker you can see pcb board and wires.
But seem a good model..
Thank you for sharing your models with us
Keep safe ARP
Thanks very much Adi - ahh interesting, thanks for sharing yourself!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Sam, having looked at other pictures and videos of the model, I reckon you have a fault with the lining up of the two boiler sections. I still see a small gap but they are generally lined up. Plus the fit of the dome and chimney is not good as you point out. Youshould send it back for a replacement.
Just bought one of these at full price (£190). I have to say I think it's my favourite locomotive, it runs so well and looks great. Mine had none of these defects luckily and you cannot see the join between smokebox and rest of the boiler. The only clue it is there is the weight on the front end and the dome also is the same colour. Perhaps they tweaked their design
I know Bachmann can do flickering fireboxes, as I have a number of locomotives from them with that feature
I have the LNER (1752) version. My loco does not have any misalignment between the 2 halves of the boiler and I was not aware there were issues until watching this video. Perhaps yours is a one off, but it is still not good since it was not detected at final inspection. I can confirm mine runs superbly and has plenty of traction. My only issue was how difficult it was to fit the cab doors.
I also obtained an example of the LNER 1752, and mine does not display the gap between the boiler sections either. I suspect that’s Sam may have just unfortunately received a model with a defect
Finally another 0-4-4 Tank engine.
Cheers Jasper & Willow
Yeah finally!! :D
The NER looks like the place for unusual wheel arrangements.
You know I love it that you dude reviews on new locomotives but when it has the detail bags in it for like extra detailing. I would like to see how it would look if the details were attached on to it. Maybe put it on the locomotive after you did your initial view of the train. So that way we will have a chance to see what it looks like with the detail attached to the locomotive.
Most of the time the details can't be fitted to the model without compromising the loco's ability to run/couple, particularly if you run on 2nd radius like my layout in places. Otherwise you're right, that would be good for the reviews!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Very interesting loco! It kinda looks like a mix of the E1 & the Johnson 1P
haha yeah it does - it's very similar to the 1P!!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Hi mukka,
No one is talking about the vertical wobble evident with the tender end! I was laughing MAO when I first saw you run it. Yet you, and other viewers, have failed to mention it so I will.
What is wrong with it? Certainly will aid in shaking the coal pile level! 😅
I won't be paying Bachmann's extortionate prices... especially for the dodgy boiler... what a howler... two different diameters!!! What were they thinking? Talk about a bodge job.
Stay safe chum. Regards to you and Chloe from Oz.
Gaz
I misread the title and thought this was o scale lol
haha I wish it was!! ;D
Anything train like this would be brilliant to own.
Fantastic looking loco Sam. She really pops in that livery! Odd engineering choices as you've pointed out though. Joining plastics and die cast with some substantial inner volume is asking for alignment trouble due to different thermal shrink coefficients..., very commonly known in the industry... You'd be thinking that a boiler as 1 piece in plastic and a flywheel should be pretty trivial standard, providing a better weight distribution front to back as well; quite shocking that some German style priced OO locos apparently still omit a fly wheel. We wouldn't be exactly keen on the very thin (flimsy) pickup solution either (and still causing too much drag). Far better solutions have been developed for premium locos which are extremely low friction and way more solid. It is what it is, and overall, certainly not too bad. She looks popping amazing and runs well. Cheerio.
Edit / addendum: do correct us if we are wrong, but Bachmann (and also Heljan) seem to have the least of the manufacturing quality faults out of the box (usually second to none). Having seen your many reviews of Accurascale, Dapol, Hornby, Rapido..., they always have quite some issues and errors (high error rate). That's worth a price as well in our opinion (solid quality checks during production stages are costly).
0-4-4 locos don't lend themselves to being in model form. I have got the Hornby H Class and the DJ Models O2 tank, and the issue of the bogie wheels scraping along the rail is noticeable with these as it is in this video! Thanks for reviewing this loco.
The odd one out is the LBSC e4 because it’s one of Thomas’ cousins and the NER loco is great plus I wish I have got the GNR 4 wheel coaches including the other 4 wheel coaches in different liveries from different companies
So I’ve got now his, The 35-251Z of No.1759 in NER Lined Green as New-Build 21st Century Locomotive! (1:43)
Ahh excellent - sounds lovely!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Seems like Bachmann made the engine one day, and then got lazy on the other when you mentioned the bad from the model. I just knew the crawl would be good due to the pick-ups, and boy was I impressed!
Wow, that gap in the boiler is crazy… I can hardly believe that’s there…
I was surprised to see this review, like you said, I forgot this existed! That price is crazy, think those massive accurascale locos that are cheaper than this
Mines on the way ! 😁
Awesome hope you enjoy! :D
Saw this loco on the TMC advert on email, it looked great. I like 0-4-4’s. However on seeing the price it caused a ‘koff. Having seen your review now with the boiler join I agree all metal or plastic, just settle for metal. I hope the chimney etc problem can be ironed out. Thanks for your review.
Beautiful looking locomotive! Love the livery on it!
My suspicions on the massive price is due to the "exclusivity" factor and honestly nothing to do with inflation (Its just a theory, take it with a grain of salt). Historically, previous Bachmann models sold as exclusives have always had a hefty price. If this was a main range model I would like to believe it would've been similar in price to the 1P. Speaking of the 1P, it does seem as though Bachmann took criticism and feedback from said model and applied those practices on the G5, example being the "semi" die-cast boiler which omits the need for traction tyres unlike the 1P. The join between the boiler halves is interesting as my 3 (yes I bought 3 I'm insane) locos don't have that. Maybe yours is a one off? I've also noticed that yours "limps" at the lower speeds. Not sure what would be the cause of that.
E4 0-6-2T was your unintentional odd-one-out, not being an 0-4-4T
Hi Sam I have 1 question. How tall is the smokebox door in mm, on your bachmann L&YR class 5
Cheers Jasper & Willow
I'm not sure of that offhand my friend, will have to check for you!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Exclusive models are as close to an anti-competitive practice as you can get. If multiple retailers got together to agree a fixed price with a manufacturer, that would be illegal. If two or more manufacturers got together to agree to not compete by avoiding overlapping products, it would be illegal. Yet...
At 14:05 you can see a the bit of plastic at the base of the firebox. I suspect that may a locating lug that has not seated correctly. The crooked angle of the firebox seen at that point and the misfit of the boiler may be caused by that little lug?
14:25 - Whoa! A Smokebox door.
Yes! :D
You can't unsee that non-contiguous boiler.
The gap between the two parts of the boiler is truly awful and very noticable. Reminds me of a slice N splice job where a dodgy car dealer welds the halves of two write-offs together.😬
Very bouncy too due to the bogies being sprung rather than weight supporting. Very poor design. I had an old Triang M7 0-4-4 with the same issue as a kid and it kept derailing over points as a consequence.
Lovely finish on the livery, something Bachmann are superb at, but too many issues for me even if it was a more reasonable price.
That big split in the boiler puts me off this model. I also think that the price is over £30 too high.
I’ll have to admit, I thought it was beautiful, but the issues with the dome colour, boiler joint and diameter, I Iwas constantly drawn to it.
The paint problem is easy for Bachmann to sort out, and after adjusting the boiler diameter, maybe they could sleeve the two parts to reduce the light gap twixt the two?
The fitted lamp bracket on the back looks like it’s making a naughty gesture. 😮
I love the livery of NER though that price makes me sad
I'm not disagreeing with you Sam, But the C.G. is perfect over the Drive Axles. That has always been a concern of mine with that Wheel Arrangement Loco. I wonder if you can put an ounce weight just on the rear bogie itself to get the rear axle to move a little freer.
Hi Sam. As always a very honest review! One wonders how such glaring errors pass the quality control! Maybe that’s the answer, there ain’t any! As regards price I agree with you that a loco should be as near perfect out of the box as possible to warrant £200 price tag. IF WE JUST USE OUR HEADS AND STOP BUYING OVER PRICED TAT MAYBE EVENTUALLY MANUFACTURES WILL GET THE MESSAGE! Will that happen….I’m not so sure!
The usual pointless apoplexy in these comments, but the price is what it is and if you can't afford the model (I can't, really), don't buy it. If you really want a G5 it compares well with the price of a kit and all the additional parts needed, and it is built and decorated for you! Sam's example does appear to be a lemon and should really be returned to TMC - there are plenty of others pictured online that don't show any misalignment of the boiler. A friend is getting a BR black example and I look forward to seeing it in the flesh.
Model rail reminds me of hifi.
Sometimes you wonder what you are getting for the money.
The company i worked for seriously charged. Then we told people we spent it on the rescue service to make them feel better about it.
Just watched your video on the athearn sd60
May I suggest Broadway limited and MTH?
MTH doesn't exist anymore but you probably could find a DC HO engine or set of theirs.
I think Broadway Limited has a switch somewhere to go from dcc to DC, their 4-12-2s are worth taking a look at
Also Scale trains.
If I remember right the bearing caps actually spin on their engines
Sam at 14:13 the smoke box is not flush and is crooked
Hey Sam, great review! Speaking of locomotives being restored, I made a video about how the E2’s could be better locomotives and recommend someone to rebuild one, yet better than how they were originally constructed. Keep up the work on your end Sam. 😉✌️
I suspect the higher price is due to the lower production run, which is snag with the exclusive commissioned models, obversely a none exclusive would have a much higher production run and thus lower cost per a unit. To some extent this is catch 22 as we simply wouldn’t get as many models and mor run of the mill ones, namely it we would be less likely to some something like this.
11:07 oh ya about that Sam. I really don't understand what Bachmann were think about that.
Cheers Jasper & Willow
haha me neither!
The G5 models do look good however irl the new G5 is a new Class member and not a Replica. In fact 8 out of the 24 new build projects are actually Replicas
Thanks Sam. Pretty loco, but agree with the obvious flaws. The likes of Bachmann aren't taking notice of Dapol, Rapido and Accurascale. Cheers
Hey Sam can you review a USA Big Boy Locomotive. I think Hornby USA makes one
The price difference for locos manufactured for retailers may be for limited production runs that are funded. On the plus side, you tend to get more unusual types, all be it at a premium price. The question is, do you want to support the retailer's efforts so that they will continue to produce items of more limited interest?
If you'd had the 35-256Z version to review, BR lined black early emblem no.67282, as I've bought, I think you'd find an extra star each for detail and for value would be justified.
Great vid Sam.
Ouch!!! 199 pounds is $380 here in Australia. It mostly looks nice with plenty of details, but some not fitting outstanding and I can't help but wonder if it was missed by quality control systems. I can't not stare at the boiler join and the dome is not even close to matching the rest of the green.
Regards, Jas.
VK4FJGS
Rocky Qld.
Hi
Hello!
your having a bad run with the QA the G5 boiler and sonics running plate - have the same G5 and no issues with boiler alignment, and both sonics have straight running boards.
Nice looking I like the colour of the loco👍😊🤩
Thanks! Yeah it's a striking shade isn't it!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
A good step from other locomotives produced and showcase
Tbh with those super expensive models there should be 0 issues right out of the box, I'm willing to buy very cheap locomotives and fix the issues myself but at high prices they should be completely perfect in every way out of the box
And we agree that Sam is the best
haha thank you!!
All wheel drive? Didn't you mean all wheel pickup?
haha yes! When did I say that haha!??!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains 18:37
A nice looking Loco - pty about the looks of it on top with the joints!!! 🤔🚂🚂🚂
It's very LSWR M7 like.
I saw the thumbnail and thought they retooled the E1. It looks great though.
Bachmann has produced the Double Fairley. There is no excuse for the fit of the boiler pieces. Plastic boiler with a removable internal weight would have been much better.
I'm sure I saw a rebel X wing in that trench on the boiler....
The review of this loco in Railway Modeller doesn't mention the gap in the boiler - is your particular example a one-off faulty example?
Awesome video today Sam beautiful modle
hornby is about to make a g5
Why do british steam locomotives does not have cow catchers?
11:54 if you look very closely Sam the gold on the E is a little bit smudged.
Cheers Jasper & Willow
Ahh yes well spotted!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
did this Train use to run to Glasgow central also do the class 439 reveiw
Hi Sam, Great review as always. I am pleased to say my example has better lining, to the naked eye it looks perfect, with a zoomed in picture there may be something similar to yours but you cannot see it, even with magnified glasses. On my example the boiler is uniform along from front to back, no difference in diameter.. There is still slight gap between plastic and diecast but they are in alignment. The dome is still a different colour however. I would maybe have a word with TMC and see if they can swap it for a one with better boiler alignment, as IMHO that's a production fault... Keep up the great reviews Sam, I enjoy them all... Oh one last thing if you want an alternative 0-4-4 pre grouping tank then the Johnson 1P or Hornby H class, are only available 2nd hand somewhere North of £200.....Its time the mftgs started to fill this demand me thinks... And a brand new one for less than £200 suddenly doesn't look quite so bad... 😁
Here's a couple of pictures of the boiler on my example showing the boiler.. th-cam.com/video/hZ5DpI3Twwc/w-d-xo.html
such a nice model, but yeah too bad the boiler and the dome kinda ruins it...
Really beautiful locomotive. I think some of the problems would be somewhat hidden with a black livery. Probably overpriced for me though despite me modelling LNER
18.38 the loco has all-wheel pick-up rather than being 'all-wheel drive' !
I really thought that the loco would get to the eights, but aparently I overlooked the price
My model hornby reliant regal car broke and now I’m extremely upset
I have been thinking about the pricing issue. Apart from the smaller production run across multiple variants, which immediately means a higher price per unit, TMC will have had to underwrite a part if not all of the manufacturing costs that Bachmann would usually incur plus part or all of Bachmann’s profit margin.
Bachmann would also have charged a fee for use of their manufacturing slot at the factory.
So the price to the initial buyers and those on preorder has to recoup that and provide an appropriate reward for the possible losses on those which do not sell in the first flush of enthusiasm for the model.
If we look at the Southern Foreland now available at £60 less than initial offered price, it is clear not all these pre-grouping locos will be great deals financially for the manufacturer.
So on balance I am OK on the price as I do not have enough to say whether a few pounds less was the right risk/reward trade off point.
Does not address the quality of course.
It's a lovely locomotive.
However because of the lack of diecast and the Dome been a different green it is much to expensive.
It also is a small Engine for that price.
Take care Sam
Basil.
cool locomotive 😊
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Sam will you review the Hornby Class 153?
Congrats on being first
Maybe one day! :D
11:23 isn't the bachmann J72 in the same NER green Sam?
Cheers Jasper & Willow
Yes that's the one I meant - it's an E1 under the NER!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
It's red face for me Sam, my comment about NER livery being dark green around the edges, I was mixing it with GNR livery, I apologize, Pete
I preordered mine a week after announcement, back in very early 2018. They arrived before this video was released (although I've been too busy to watch this video for a while), and although the NER one (as per the new build) is perfect, the BR one I got (early crest with westinghouse pump) is noisy at around half speed and over (which developed during running in), so it's going back this week. Not to mention the BR one had its front half of the boiler not fitted correctly, so needed disassembly to sort that. And almost all the driving wheel pickups needed adjusting too, on both models.
I wasn't particularly happy when the prices of the G5s were announced about a year ago, but they're an important NER model that I need in my fleet. Now I'm just in need of coaches for them...
What a lovely loco, sooo tempted to pick one up t9 go with my NER E1. Going to be hard to not, I’ll have to see, as I don’t like the price one bit, especially since I would have to import it to North America. Also, I think that three star on detail is a bit harsh, but all together a great review.
P.S. did you see that Bachmann upgraded their 9F? On the Rails of Sheffield listing it has wires running between the loco and tender.
Nice. Just got my new Accurascale Class 37 by the way guys.
Ooh lovely - how is it?? :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrainsit’s a beautiful model. I’ve not run it yet. I took it out to admire it and stowed it away (I’m still building my layout). If you’re not getting one, would you like to borrow it for a video? My layout won’t be ready for a few months yet. Be nice to see it run and get an expert option on it.
Sam was in a panic. He'd forgotten about getting his girlfriend Chloe a birthday present. Chloe's birthday was only three days away. YIKES! Talk about being a money-waster.
"Oh fiddlesticks," sighed Sam. "Why was I born with such a terrible memory?"
"Don't worry," soothed his mother. "It's not too late yet." Chloe crept up behind and bashed her boyfriend on the head, to wake him up a touch more. She gave him a mocking glare.
"Dare to forget my birthday, and you'll end up forgetting about me," the girl mockingly threatened. "Get the picture?" Sam vanished into the outside world. He'd at last remembered that Chloe had said she needed a new pair of comfortable slippers to wear. One problem: he'd forgotten to ask what size fitted her feet. He found the clothes store he was looking for, and.... oh boy ....a model shop right next door. Typical.
"Bother, I can never resist model steamies," muttered Sam to himself. He somehow did resist and bought a pair of slippers, hoping they would fit Chloe properly.
Chloe's birthday dawned. Chloe was happily trying on her new slippers. Something small and furry tickled her toes. She drew her foot back and a mouse scurried out of hiding.
"EEK!" shrieked Chloe in terror. "A mouse!" Sam quickly disposed of the creature.
"Sorry about that. AATCHOO!" Sam sneezed all over Chloe's T-shirt. Luckily, she wasn't angry. She and Sam laughed it all off. A good time was had by all.
haha excellent story but very fictitious - I would never forget Chloe's birthday!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
The close ups of the wheels show a deal of paint chipping. That is a QA fail too.
So Sam my question , are they going to correct the mismatched boiler or still make it mis matched and the color is matched . But it still looks good though hard to criticize.