Thanks for the review Witse @White Sea Studio ! 3 things : - we are adding our own version of the Nebula in 2 weeks - we are adding many more modules [including waveform] asap - your are totally right about the consequences of being above OR under the LUFS target. Thus, we are considering adding an Above tolerance and an Under tolerance.
@@PROCESSAUDIO it’s not because you add stuff that is not in the original that it doesn’t make what you did a reap off but I guess you will not admit this…
Quitte honestly, I like that they are creating an analyser with the same capabilities as the flux one… The flux is nice, but the software engineering of it has never felt really great…
I bought an 29" ultrawidescreen monitor which I mounted above my regular monitor just to display the plugin. It is awesome, very useful and it doesn't hurt that it looks cool. Would love to see some more retro skins with textures
Emphasising how much you don't care about what the studio looks like, while simultaneously showing you've installed customisable LEDs. It's ok to care about aesthetics.
I'm with you on loudness. I like to stay around - 10 LUFS +/- 1. I found best results across the board staying around there and it retains a lot of dynamics.
Wytse, your rant studio on lighting/looks and the whole vanity of our age... that was golden. You're the real deal man 😂 I do spend more time than I "should" customizing the looks of my workspace and even of my Ableton projects. However, I truly enjoy matching my space and tools to the vibe I'm going for in my music, and for me personally it makes me more likely to spend more time in that space. That being said, I will never in a thousand years pretend it makes my music better or anything. Those are two completely separate things and as with anything else, there is a point of diminishing returns.
Few things, Lufs "target" is a dynamic range you are allowed to play inside, (the "target" number is actually one extreme end on this range) So you can go above but not below, do whats best for the music at the same percieved volume. For this reason and many others, I use external metering after my monitor control, so my volume to my ears are independent of different loudness:es, platforms etc, and I use the monitor control to playback and reference quickly inside and outside of daw. Its good to use rms at a few seconds reading or lufs short term for this :)
For Reaper, use the JS Input Line Viewer, embed it in your master mixer track, done! Add ReSpectrum and Loudness Meter same way and you've basically got Insight right there
I have had a petpeeve for 50 years all the way back VU meters. The terms decibel, volume and loudness are for perceived sound only. What these terms are used for in the music/recording for the last umpteen years is properly the Amplitude and Delta thereof in an electronic circuit.
I love Decibel so far its amazing. still much cheaper than your fancy flux analyser which is $400!!!!! for a perpetual licence. Decibel will be adding new modules soon as well so the features you want will most likely appear very soon. also if you are a member of Puremix Decibel is FREE!!!! I was using spl hawkeye which is ok but the scaling sucks on older ipads and its laggy on sidecar without a cable. I got it cheap during a plug in alliance sale and cant afford flux so Hawkeye was the best i could find for a decent price so i am extremely happy with getting Decibel now. In Decibel you can also add dust and dirt with old VU meters which you missed a very important feature. hoping they add some different screws option in the future.
thats crazy how homie says decibel like bell when I say it like deci-bowl like bowl like a cereal bowl Im Salvadorian American and the way people say words always amaze me.
I just downloaded a trial before I saw your video, thanks!!! I really like the plug-in/app and personally use it with my iPhone which I attach to a desktop talkback mic stand. The only thing I found a little confusing is that when I compared it to Waves WLM and Fabfilter L2 the loudness readings were slightly off. The dB actually gave me more level to work with! What does that mean?
it means that they measure differently for some reason. run some tracks from your favorite engineers through it and see what they do! sometimes you have to learn your meters in the same way you need to learn your monitors. as long as your reference point is through the same plugin you're set.
You don’t care about looks??? How many times did you talk about a screw head on a plug-in. Love your show, but let’s be honest, you do care about looks
When you played music through apple music, did you use a third party software like loopback to run the au/vst of Decibel? I.e. does Decibel read metering off the computer’s audio output instead of an instance of the plugin inserted in the DAW or loopback? Asking because in the scenario of using a room correction software like sonarworks, I always put my analyser plugin before sonarworks so that the analyser is not affected by the correction curve of sonarworks. I think being able to see the analyser on music straight from streaming platform would be very helpful, but if the meters are post room correction, that would not be so helpful.
That looks quite useful if the iPad version could be used as an audio unit plugin in Cubasis. I use that for the mixing of Korg Gadget projects but I have no way of metering the LUFS. Currently I have to use Youlean Loudness meter on my PC with Cubase to check the dynamic range and fix / adjust the mix there if I feel the need to do so. I’m kind of obsessed with dynamic range and the waveform display gives me a really good impression on whether I succeeded in making the mix dynamic or not. It looks kinda neat, especially with the purple on black colour scheme.
You can have Decibel run on your different monitor (same computer). However, having it in your face at all times might get in the way of making music... Surely, a small tablet on the side is less disruptive. and you can keep your 2 main screens for big sessions.
Still can't fathom why some engineers think loud tracks signify the end of the world. Some tracks that are targeted at -14 LUFS can sound very skimpy (which is not great if you aren't aiming for that result), whilst some small minority of metal / EDM tracks, for example, manage to cover a large dynamic range, (going way above -14 LUFS in chorus sections) whilst still sounding loud and impactful.
Broadcast is usually -23 LUFS in Europe (EBU R. 128 standard) or -24 LUFS in the US and Australia (ATSC A/85 standard) for long form content. There are different standards for short form content (ads, promos, trailers, etc).
@@hruettimann You are right... Have been out for a while.. started mixing with dialogue level @ -16 dB and ended mixing to -23 LUFs.. The numbers somehow fell over in my brain.. I meant -23 LUFs
How does it compare to the TC Clarity M? The TC product is a little more expensive but it has a resale value and you don't need to use a tablet. What do you think?
Kind of late to the party but I know the Clarity has surround support snd im not sure off the top of my head if Decibel does so that could be one reason. Being able to sync it to a seemingly endless number of external tablets without having to use extra cables is also a really attractive selling point of the plug-in as you can take a massive iPad Pro and have all your metering on that 13” screen instead of taking up main screen real estate
Hi mate, love you videos and new studio! I have a long analogue history and so, I’ve always found that 0vu analogue, lines up with -12 digital. That’s where I work. I might be old fashioned but isn’t that where we should be working? What’s your thoughts? Cheers
yup. - 12 is usually where your gear works better and where your analog converters convert better. All you have to do is is calibrate Decibel's VUs to your specs and off you go. You can even send it to a mobile device on the side and keep an eye on your recordings in real-time, making sure your needle hovers around 0VU.
I agree with you for the most part, but the loudness is also genre dependent. Some styles of extreme metal could actually benefit from being pushed hard. Or EDM for instance
Too bad this cost so much because it looks pretty practical but definitely not worth 150 bucks to me considering you can basically get the same info without spending a dime (span, youlean,..)
I think, at least in eletronic dance music, the loudness compenstion is absolute bs. 90% of the times when im mixing, without even aiming to loud volume i get betwen -9 -7 Lufs and the limiter isnt even working... Just because of the sound procesing to make them agrssive
And more. At -6 Lufs, kick has plenty of dinamics and punch. Important note, that i asume i actually know, punch doesnt all como from volume diference, specially if the transient is so short that the ear cant even react to it
I thought we had flux for this, i mean flux is great, i love flux ever since i saw it on your channel, flux is really good, I didn't have money too have an I pad after buying flux...
these are different products. TC works with AES cables whereas Decibel works over wifi or usb. It's also software, so it keeps being updated / fixes and adds new features like new modules. Price point is different too and with Decibel, you can add as many screens as you want.
@@PROCESSAUDIO Yeah, I get they are different products but aimed at solving the same "always on" metering issue. I can see Decibel being much more flexible but I am not sure I'll be willing to have an iPad screen always dedicated to it. Not sure it's for me, but I might try it out. Remarkable job anyway.
I don't know what people mean by thumbs down. Do they mean that they didn't like your production or they didn't like the product? I'm requesting that if my fellow subscribers please be a bit more specific when they thumbs down. It might help us all understand what and why they thumbs down something. Thanks.
@White Sea Studio: By joking so much about playing Darude's "Sandstorm", you've done so much exposure to that track, that I think, they should repay you! (Or, at least, they should give you legal permission to use it in your videos). 😃
phew 130 bugs for a "conclusion" plugin? I dunno, iZotope Ozone, YLMeter, VU Meter, LoudMax all for free do the same job, okay RAM usage is a con argument, but I dunno, it doesn't seem to justify the price imho. And yes, I've seen Dan's video and this video is pure dedication, if ya haven't *DO IT RIGHT NOW*
My favourite feature from Flux is the spectrum analyzer's peak frequency label. I use it constantly to check the tuning on my analog synths and eurorack before recording. If this gets added, I'm in.
Decibel Standalone version does just that. It has a spy option in the audio settings for it to spy your DAW AND Spotify for example. So it can run at all times for all your sounds. (WASAPI drivers)
Thanks for the review Witse @White Sea Studio ! 3 things :
- we are adding our own version of the Nebula in 2 weeks
- we are adding many more modules [including waveform] asap
- your are totally right about the consequences of being above OR under the LUFS target. Thus, we are considering adding an Above tolerance and an Under tolerance.
@PROCESS.AUDIO: wow! excellent news! @White Sea Studio: Nice video, thank you :)
Do you have no shame how far are you going to copy the analyzer from flux?!
@@mahatisgreen hmmm is doesn't quite do the same things... VUs, unlimited iPad connections, real modularity... and more
@@PROCESSAUDIO it’s not because you add stuff that is not in the original that it doesn’t make what you did a reap off but I guess you will not admit this…
Quitte honestly, I like that they are creating an analyser with the same capabilities as the flux one… The flux is nice, but the software engineering of it has never felt really great…
EPIC REVOLUTION ON THIS CHANNEL!!
*HE ACTUALLY DID REALLY PLAY DARUDE - SANDSTORM THIS TIME!!!*
What do you mean? He always plays Sandstorm
You clearly don't know your Sandstorm remixes.
These are not the droids you're looking for...
it was actually Darude - Sandworms
@@CLaw-tb5gg Right?
Dan Worrall won the loudness war in the most amazingly nuclear way.
He sure did 😂
Yet it’s still going on, sadly. Many albums still hitting -7 to -8lufs
I bought an 29" ultrawidescreen monitor which I mounted above my regular monitor just to display the plugin. It is awesome, very useful and it doesn't hurt that it looks cool. Would love to see some more retro skins with textures
Emphasising how much you don't care about what the studio looks like, while simultaneously showing you've installed customisable LEDs.
It's ok to care about aesthetics.
Dan Worrall was like "fine ill end it myself"
Very Good Tool ! I like the Pink .
I'm with you on loudness. I like to stay around - 10 LUFS +/- 1. I found best results across the board staying around there and it retains a lot of dynamics.
Fact - 10 LUFS is prefect that’s my target on my mastering.
I'm usually a -9.5 LUFS dude so right on!
Wytse, your rant studio on lighting/looks and the whole vanity of our age... that was golden. You're the real deal man 😂
I do spend more time than I "should" customizing the looks of my workspace and even of my Ableton projects. However, I truly enjoy matching my space and tools to the vibe I'm going for in my music, and for me personally it makes me more likely to spend more time in that space.
That being said, I will never in a thousand years pretend it makes my music better or anything. Those are two completely separate things and as with anything else, there is a point of diminishing returns.
Reaper does show the wave form. Oscilloscope Meter / Length
Also in the new ReaLimit plugin too.
Few things, Lufs "target" is a dynamic range you are allowed to play inside, (the "target" number is actually one extreme end on this range) So you can go above but not below, do whats best for the music at the same percieved volume.
For this reason and many others, I use external metering after my monitor control, so my volume to my ears are independent of different loudness:es, platforms etc, and I use the monitor control to playback and reference quickly inside and outside of daw. Its good to use rms at a few seconds reading or lufs short term for this :)
For Reaper, use the JS Input Line Viewer, embed it in your master mixer track, done! Add ReSpectrum and Loudness Meter same way and you've basically got Insight right there
Literally the only person I trust on TH-cam to review plugins 😂
I have had a petpeeve for 50 years all the way back VU meters. The terms decibel, volume and loudness are for perceived sound only. What these terms are used for in the music/recording for the last umpteen years is properly the Amplitude and Delta thereof in an electronic circuit.
I love Decibel so far its amazing. still much cheaper than your fancy flux analyser which is $400!!!!! for a perpetual licence. Decibel will be adding new modules soon as well so the features you want will most likely appear very soon. also if you are a member of Puremix Decibel is FREE!!!! I was using spl hawkeye which is ok but the scaling sucks on older ipads and its laggy on sidecar without a cable. I got it cheap during a plug in alliance sale and cant afford flux so Hawkeye was the best i could find for a decent price so i am extremely happy with getting Decibel now. In Decibel you can also add dust and dirt with old VU meters which you missed a very important feature. hoping they add some different screws option in the future.
thanks Dav. Many more modules coming.
@@PROCESSAUDIO Any updates?
you are truly hilarious while being simultaneously relevant thanks again dan worrel did make a good/great vid on limiter.
Dan Worrall made a good video everytime he made a video
@@kaustik185 so true
Get a room
@@WillyJunior i think he sounds invested and eager to share his knowledge, having to hide childish joy about all things audio engineering
@@vmi4172 negativity is so 2020
Older non-pro iPads, especially used, are not really that expensive and can probably run this well, so go for it
That's what we designed Decibel for. Recycle old Ipads and Android tablets so that you can revive them and put them on your side, all day long.
i got refurbished Ipad Pro the first one for 100 bucks and it is better then most of the new non pro ones.
@@PROCESSAUDIO please make it work on iPad 1
Y
ou like this better than the TC hardware analyzer?
Me! Updatable, customizable, more modules, more displays....
While there are some good things here, the customisation options are standard now in Cubase 11 with Supervision, it’s really good
If you just use Sidecar on your iPad, you can open any metering plugin(s) you already own. $150 is a little steep for a metering plugin.
loudness is subjective? I believe that is one way to regard it we mix our tracks to please ourselves
thats crazy how homie says decibel like bell when I say it like deci-bowl like bowl like a cereal bowl Im Salvadorian American and the way people say words always amaze me.
Not a million miles from Steinberg Supervision which is included in Cubase11
I just downloaded a trial before I saw your video, thanks!!! I really like the plug-in/app and personally use it with my iPhone which I attach to a desktop talkback mic stand. The only thing I found a little confusing is that when I compared it to Waves WLM and Fabfilter L2 the loudness readings were slightly off. The dB actually gave me more level to work with! What does that mean?
it means that they measure differently for some reason. run some tracks from your favorite engineers through it and see what they do! sometimes you have to learn your meters in the same way you need to learn your monitors. as long as your reference point is through the same plugin you're set.
You don’t care about looks??? How many times did you talk about a screw head on a plug-in. Love your show, but let’s be honest, you do care about looks
In the case of plugins, looks affect productivity
screws affect productivity??
When you played music through apple music, did you use a third party software like loopback to run the au/vst of Decibel?
I.e. does Decibel read metering off the computer’s audio output instead of an instance of the plugin inserted in the DAW or loopback?
Asking because in the scenario of using a room correction software like sonarworks, I always put my analyser plugin before sonarworks so that the analyser is not affected by the correction curve of sonarworks. I think being able to see the analyser on music straight from streaming platform would be very helpful, but if the meters are post room correction, that would not be so helpful.
This is very good, I just dont have moneys for metering plugins right now. Reaper's metering is great and has been getting better lately!
That looks quite useful if the iPad version could be used as an audio unit plugin in Cubasis. I use that for the mixing of Korg Gadget projects but I have no way of metering the LUFS. Currently I have to use Youlean Loudness meter on my PC with Cubase to check the dynamic range and fix / adjust the mix there if I feel the need to do so. I’m kind of obsessed with dynamic range and the waveform display gives me a really good impression on whether I succeeded in making the mix dynamic or not. It looks kinda neat, especially with the purple on black colour scheme.
Great, so if I upload my stuff to a streaming service I do not need the metering because they turn down the volume anyways. So why should I care?
Why buy a whole iPad for the analyzer and not just a separate screen?
You can run it on a screen or ipad/tablet or both at the same time.
You can have Decibel run on your different monitor (same computer). However, having it in your face at all times might get in the way of making music... Surely, a small tablet on the side is less disruptive. and you can keep your 2 main screens for big sessions.
I think it can be sent to any tablet like an Amazon Fire tablet…$30.
Did you use the Lewitt mic for this video and did you post process it?
DECIBEL
Thanks for the great tip! I am testing it now!
Thanks for the loudnesstalk. Was for me the most interesting part of the video :)
Still can't fathom why some engineers think loud tracks signify the end of the world. Some tracks that are targeted at -14 LUFS can sound very skimpy (which is not great if you aren't aiming for that result), whilst some small minority of metal / EDM tracks, for example, manage to cover a large dynamic range, (going way above -14 LUFS in chorus sections) whilst still sounding loud and impactful.
Love the MCI OR SONY JH 24 in the background Used to be a pain to Align and bias…
A great sounding machine
No multipanorama or stereo phase meter?
it's coming in the next version.
@@PROCESSAUDIO Good work :)
This is simply the best meter out there. IPad connection rocks.
These metering plugins need to have a "Pitch To A&R" calibration.
whats the video you were referring to regarding the "atomic bomb in loudness" I'm afraid I'm out of the loop lol
Dan Worral channel, vid titled "I won the loudness war"
th-cam.com/video/s_ANEQu5Lto/w-d-xo.html
@@jacksmith4460 cheers. thank you :)
In broadcast, if it's louder then -16 LUFs you're getting the mix back and can do it again...
This is not broadcast
Move outta the past buddy
Depends a bit, some broadcast situations require even lower numbers…
Broadcast is usually -23 LUFS in Europe (EBU R. 128 standard) or -24 LUFS in the US and Australia (ATSC A/85 standard) for long form content. There are different standards for short form content (ads, promos, trailers, etc).
@@hruettimann You are right... Have been out for a while.. started mixing with dialogue level @ -16 dB and ended mixing to -23 LUFs.. The numbers somehow fell over in my brain.. I meant -23 LUFs
why extra ipad, why not small hdmi display?
"I don't like the fact that it's relevant, but I think it's relevant'....... well said :)
How does it compare to the TC Clarity M? The TC product is a little more expensive but it has a resale value and you don't need to use a tablet. What do you think?
Kind of late to the party but I know the Clarity has surround support snd im not sure off the top of my head if Decibel does so that could be one reason. Being able to sync it to a seemingly endless number of external tablets without having to use extra cables is also a really attractive selling point of the plug-in as you can take a massive iPad Pro and have all your metering on that 13” screen instead of taking up main screen real estate
Hi mate, love you videos and new studio! I have a long analogue history and so, I’ve always found that 0vu analogue, lines up with -12 digital. That’s where I work. I might be old fashioned but isn’t that where we should be working? What’s your thoughts? Cheers
yup. - 12 is usually where your gear works better and where your analog converters convert better. All you have to do is is calibrate Decibel's VUs to your specs and off you go. You can even send it to a mobile device on the side and keep an eye on your recordings in real-time, making sure your needle hovers around 0VU.
Finally an analyzer that goes with the color of my lava lamp.
“Lava lamp”, in singular? Do you mix in mono?
Cubase has brilliant meters, not sure if you can put it on a ipad since I don’t own one heheh
Did he say that he didn't want to discuss his "farts" at 0:23?
Quite right too. this is a channel about audio, not flatulence.
Choosing colors is always handy, especially for people who can't differentiate certain colors based on genetic conditions.
man why you didnt record myth 4 about pre-ring?
I agree with you for the most part, but the loudness is also genre dependent. Some styles of extreme metal could actually benefit from being pushed hard. Or EDM for instance
Bit like the Cubase 11 Pro metering setup...but not as good 😁🧡
Too bad this cost so much because it looks pretty practical but definitely not worth 150 bucks to me considering you can basically get the same info without spending a dime (span, youlean,..)
Nice! Only missing a spectrogram..
Spectrogram is coming
I think, at least in eletronic dance music, the loudness compenstion is absolute bs. 90% of the times when im mixing, without even aiming to loud volume i get betwen -9 -7 Lufs and the limiter isnt even working... Just because of the sound procesing to make them agrssive
And more. At -6 Lufs, kick has plenty of dinamics and punch. Important note, that i asume i actually know, punch doesnt all como from volume diference, specially if the transient is so short that the ear cant even react to it
He actually turned on sandstorm ba darute omg
Yes good speech, we need to interpetate better! Teach us the ways of loudnessness. LOL
Yoooo... great analyzer\
I would buy that thing instantly but there is no oscillator...
I thought we had flux for this, i mean flux is great, i love flux ever since i saw it on your channel, flux is really good, I didn't have money too have an I pad after buying flux...
€139...wouldn't one be better off spending a little extra and getting the TC Clarity M?
these are different products. TC works with AES cables whereas Decibel works over wifi or usb. It's also software, so it keeps being updated / fixes and adds new features like new modules. Price point is different too and with Decibel, you can add as many screens as you want.
@@PROCESSAUDIO Yeah, I get they are different products but aimed at solving the same "always on" metering issue. I can see Decibel being much more flexible but I am not sure I'll be willing to have an iPad screen always dedicated to it. Not sure it's for me, but I might try it out. Remarkable job anyway.
@@fabiogervasoni_music Thank you for the kind words Fabio! hope you will give it a try and enjoy a nice experience!!! best wishes
@@PROCESSAUDIO Ended up buying this...and using it quite a lot, very satisfied so far!
Snake oil?
What kind of converters do you use
I believe he uses MOTU something or other with DANTE but I could be completely wrong
I don't know what people mean by thumbs down. Do they mean that they didn't like your production or they didn't like the product? I'm requesting that if my fellow subscribers please be a bit more specific when they thumbs down. It might help us all understand what and why they thumbs down something. Thanks.
i agree, loudness is over rated.
Their Sugar plugin could be a nice review too
@White Sea Studio:
By joking so much about playing Darude's "Sandstorm", you've done so much exposure to that track, that I think, they should repay you! (Or, at least, they should give you legal permission to use it in your videos). 😃
Music production is managing vibe.
phew 130 bugs for a "conclusion" plugin? I dunno, iZotope Ozone, YLMeter, VU Meter, LoudMax all for free do the same job, okay RAM usage is a con argument, but I dunno, it doesn't seem to justify the price imho. And yes, I've seen Dan's video and this video is pure dedication, if ya haven't *DO IT RIGHT NOW*
If you're in a good mood... you WILL make better music. Colour matters. 😎
My favourite feature from Flux is the spectrum analyzer's peak frequency label. I use it constantly to check the tuning on my analog synths and eurorack before recording. If this gets added, I'm in.
The song slaps I wanna know its alternate name from Darude Sandstorm
Was that Sandstrom by Darude? 🙄 😁
What is the meter that you use with the wave form?
I need the Christmas tree!!!
choosing color themes is actually usability issue (for example color blind people).
But... I thought RGB made EVERYTHING better. ;-)
yeah flux does this.
No HD upload, only 360p...?... What's happening?
360p is the new HD 😅
i don't care about this.
Can’t believe you forgot to give credit to Darude before playing that first song. I might unsubscribe tbh…
Boh also YouLean is a full metering system, really valid, running also on tablets ... to me, it's good when it covers the needs of who uses it. 🍟🍟🍟
I freaking love that plugin! I actually bought the paid version just to show some love
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@@moriahmars1462 decibel
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@@PROCESSAUDIO aye it's the developers
I just want something like it for the whole system, something I can just open on windows and not only on my DAW.
@@Ali_Seraj thanks for the tip man, I have one system wide for Mac but none for windows.
Decibel Standalone version does just that. It has a spy option in the audio settings for it to spy your DAW AND Spotify for example. So it can run at all times for all your sounds. (WASAPI drivers)
@@PROCESSAUDIO Thanks, already got the trial and this is exaclty what I wanted! Defo gonna buy it.
wait, it's actually darude
DECIBEL!! :D
overpriced, got the bute one for 1/4 that price last year.
I don't really care about loudness wars
100 centimeter to rule them all;)
shoutout to the OG SPL Hawkeye
11:26 "Interpretate"?? I think you mean "interpret" ! English is shorter sometimes! 😉
voxengo span
I don't care what so ever
you dutch man oranje naturlijk warmte Johannes Niew Zeeland
TC killer😀😀
Comment for da algorithm
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How much they paid you Bro?
Nothing. Nada. Rien.
Thanks man! You help me dont buy this app$)
I dont
jk lol
Sub'd and hit the bell but didn't get notified . check that out my friend!!