If you want a more philosophical take on this topic, you can refer to this video: The Political Commodification of YOURSELF! #SELFIE Protest: th-cam.com/video/UfsS_FIsjVc/w-d-xo.html
As you were about to talk about unwanted updates, my phone cut the video and forced me to look at an update page, which I have been persistently ignoring and will forever ignore until it forces me to.
One of the worst examples of this that I've come across recently is restaurants *no longer having menus and instead forcing you to scan a QR code to receive the menu on your phone.* Nightmare.
I double majored in computer science and philosophy as an undergrad, so this video really speaks to me. I'm a big fan of open source software. Not only are open source projects brilliant educational tools, but they often provide high-quality software that meets a need without resorting to scummy business tactics like selling personal data. When it comes to software updates, open source is wonderful as well. Open source projects are only updated when the community behind the project agrees to said update, and I've never come across an open source project that forces updates on users. I used open source technology as much as I could through my college days, and I felt I had a "symbiotic" relationship with my computers during that phase of my life. That all changed when I entered the workforce as an enterprise software engineer. Within a matter of months, my job forced me to work using Microsoft or Apple software, because those were the two systems everyone else was on and those were the two systems our clients used. I was required to install a bunch of data-collecting software on my smartphone as well for communication and security purposes. Apple is absolutely the worst offender in the tech world, in my opinion. In order to even get one of their devices working properly, you usually need to use at least one of their other devices working in harmony with it. Furthermore, when something goes wrong, they have strict anti-modification rules that prevent users from getting support from anyone other than Apple. They're pretty scummy. I can never take issue with technology itself. I think technology is a neutral force in our world. It can be used to increase the quality of our lives, but it can also be used to enslave us. What I take issue with are the business-people who use technology to deliberately keep us dependent on systems that keep us so miserable that we are suggestible to advertisements and manipulation, but also so comfortable that we don't challenge it in any tangible way. I would love to see social media disappear completely. It's one of the scummiest business practices ever conceived of.
Is there such a thing as an open source smartphone? I'd like to be able to use gps navigation, a calculator, take notes and photos and do everything else (email, banking, etc) via web browser.
@@lemonjuice3551 I don't think there is an open source piece of hardware, but there are certainly open source software projects available for smartphones. Additionally, some smartphones are more resistant to custom software than others. This is where Apple drops the ball again, with all of the strict policies the have in place to prevent unauthorized software from being installed on their iPhones. I use a Samsung smartphone, and I have plenty of open source software I installed on it without any problems :)
@@lemonjuice3551 For hardware open-source projects, check this page en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_open-source_hardware_projects There are some open source mobile/smartphones: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_open-source_mobile_phones ... but, at the end of the day, due to how Internet security works, you'd be forced to use something from a big corporation. I recommend Mozilla, as it's open source, but be aware...
Personally I don't think technology is neutral: the reason open-source is so good is because the community designs the tech to work as well as possible for themselves, whereas proprietary tech is designed to wring as much money out of the users as possible. These technologies have fundamentally different values regarding how things should be designed, which results in eco-systems that are either symbiotic or parasitic for users. The value systems which shape the tech aren't neutral, thus the tech isn't neutral.
Doesn't he still put the warning about how these videos are on a platform that's designed to be addictive? I remember seeing those warnings in earlier videos and thought they were a good idea.
Really enjoyed the "authentic" display here. Moving out of the office and away from the locked off camera, turning this into much more of a vlog/"rant", and embracing the all caps "DESTORYS" clickbait title, and even back in the office going hand held, all youtube language signifiers of "authenticity"/"Unfiltered emotions". While I have no reason to doubt this is how Georg actually feels about modern technology and its increasing complexity, I will be interested to see how Professor Moeller breaks down, as Fai described, the brand on brand (or profile on profile) conflict shown in this video. Glad to see the channel experimenting with other forms of youtube content, and hopefully raising the prolific value of this channel. You have my like and comment good sirs!
I was raised in a computer repair shop and grew to despise Apple because of their unwillingness to allow people to modify their devices. Once you have one of their devices they basically make you buy all of their devices to effectively use one. If you wanna get a device repaired you've got to go to them as well. On top of that there's the social idolization of the brand in the west, especially in America. It's too the point where people will literally admit that the phone is overpriced and not worth it but still buy it anyway.
Here in Brazil, you can literally get 10 mid range good smartphones (or maybe 4~5 top tier ones) for the price of one of the latest iphones. It's so ridiculously expensive that even some rich people will not bother having one. It's purely a status thing.
I heard they ran focus groups and when they put the price of the iPhones at the actual amount that they're worth, people thought they must be too cheap and didn't want to buy it. So it's not entirely a status thing, there's a sort of psychological paradox to it. But, yeah, I've never had one myself, I've always found apple to be weirdly like the flashback in a sci-fi film that explains how our world became a techno-dystopia or something haha
@@seansteel328 that makes sense but you got to think that the people in the focus group probably think it's cheap due to the fact that Apple has created this price standard to gauge the quality of the technology with. In other words the framework/ad campaigns/brand/profile that Apple has created works so well that even when people are presented with the actual value they'd rather pay more💸
@@seansteel328 That psychological paradox is well known in economics and even has a name - the Veblen Effect. And it affects all luxury goods, not just iphones.
I had to work 12 hours as a camera man recording a tech conference where I had to sit and listen to people talking about the wonders of Musk, Bezos and Steve Jobs. A lot of the speakers were fanboying hard and it just felt strange, like there was this one speaker who basically treat Ellon like a god, he talks about how he has went out of his way to find clips of Ellon when he was young and talked about how he tries to live his life like Ellon. The entire thing made me so angry. A lot of the people there were really rude and snobby, comparatively the workers were all really kind and helpful.
This video perfectly describes why I default to using open-source software wherever I can. I feel much more in control of my electronic devices in that way, and I feel as though those devices then primarily serve their original goal, instead of advertising to me or selling my data to the highest bidder.
I was sooo frustrating that open source software were not mentioned in this video. This guy is so angry, but this anger isn't motivation for him to find a solution (or at the very least a lesser-evil)
I am not sure how does having open-source software make you have more control? Is it because you have the ability to change the code? Do most people know how to change the code? And what do you mean they serve their original goal? Doesn't the goals change as new needs are discovered?
@@guillermonieto9727 Open source doesn't solve many issues mentioned in the video, but it solves the issue of unconsented data collection that most apps do nowadays. If the code is known, it is known whether it does shady stuff or not. Of course most people can't read code like that but you can kind of trust the "peer review" system. Sometimes company do "official" audits of their code i.e. have professionals read their code and get some sort of certification that the code is "good"/privacy respecting, etc.
@@GjPeddy what you are talking about seems to be about transparency than of consent. I think having transparency is good but I would like to that software get tested in psychology experiments to see weather they are effective or not, do psychology experiments to see if they are harmful and also that there is something of collective decision making of implanting stuff the users need or want remove (the difficulty is that the users don't know what they want or need, this is something my professors of software engineering have mentioned to me)
Well, A P P L E I N C went ahead and destroyed the philosopher's society. Which he heeds to exist. So check mate, give or take a couple of decades and no changes made to societal appopiation of knowledge then BOOM. Apple will have their way!
I refused to get a smartphone until 2015 when I was essentially forced to. I became utterly dependent on it in a matter of months. I remember my brain working differently; I've delegated too many tasks to this device and ceded that much more control over my identity to the web of interconnected corporations that created this dystopia. This whole video felt like an Andy Rooney 60 minutes segment in the best way.
I had the same thing with my phone. The identity part is the one that I find the worst. It's nice to hear you say it too - I talk about it to people quite often but nobody seems to care or understand. I struggle personally to not take on these corporate values from the internet but it gets harder all the time as the whole of my culture is getting dominated by them.
who forced you? did you need a certain app for a job? i've always used aliases online, i have no difficulty keeping my online personas in their own bubble separate from me. anyone who i care to communicate with knows how to find me, to everyone else i'm a made up thing
@@sidarthur8706 I'm not referring to how I appear online to others. What I mean is how our own behaviour, feelings and views are being shaped by our use of this technology.
Apple products are deliberately constructed to be hard to repair (see Louis Rossmann's channel for more on that). The annoying hipsterism aside, this is actually more costly to consumers and worse for the environment, since devices are built to be made obsolete once their life cycle has ended and consumers are essentially forced to buy new products to keep the machine churning. The real blackpill is that apple is actually so successful with their awful business practices, that other companies are now imitating them. Looks like Spengler was right, optimism is indeed cowardice.
the worst part about the constant updates is that they leave data behind that just accumulates and is really difficult to remove, making it essentially a timed self destruction for anyone who doesnt know about it. awesome video,
@@arpitthakur45 Through planned obsolescence (products made to only last so long) you are then forced to continue upgrading and possess new products. You are also being made to possess these products as apple stops providing software updates to older phones.
Coming from innovation and business engineering; this trend is increasingly upsetting. Thank you, Müller and Fai for communicating your work through this medium - your channel has helped me challenge the status quo view of the why questions we are taught taking engineering degrees.
I thought I could detect some kind of Irish accent, and upon a wee bit of research, I noted that you spent a lot of time in Cork. It shows, as it were!
I found this video highly amusing and refreshing. It feels like we are all living in some sort of black mirror dystopia or a Truman show, and here we got one guy that escaped that whole bubble for 15 minutes to give a quick, honest interview.
Recently I've seen people of LinkedIn refer to their profile as a "personal brand" which confuses me because I don't understand why anyone would willingly brand themselves except perhaps in entertainment. To me a brand is openly inauthentic. The reason for this is that I went to the first lecture on a course on marketing and they explained that a brand is an image. Not an image of what the product actually is but an image of what the company wants the consumers to see it as. So I can't trust a "personal brand" because they are more likely there to just sell me something and not there to teach me something useful nevermind something useful to the world.
But I think this gets at a major theme of this entire channel. Someone talking about a "personal brand" is using the identity paradigm of "profilicity" which is explicitly different than the identity paradigm of "authenticity". So of course, from an authenticity perspective, it seems like a betrayal. I would say each paradigm (as well as the older "sincerity" paradigm) has its pros and cons, limitations and contradictions. For example, I would suggest that most people who claim to be their "authentic" selves still curate different aspects of themselves with different audiences. (E.g. I don't talk the same way to my friends as I would to my boss, and don't talk the same way to either of those as I would my grandma.) Since social media has created a system in which our presentation can result in extreme backlash from other people, there are very practical reasons from a profilic perspective to pay attention to that rather than being authentic at any cost. Authentic becomes "obnoxious" or "naive" in a social media profilic paradigm
Professor Moeller should look into GNU, Linux and the philosophy of Free Software. It would be very interesting to hear about his thoughts on the idea and its current implementations.
pero eso sería la sobretecnologización de la que moeller se está quejando, son conocimientos que tendría que forzosamente aprender y que en realidad no le interesan para nada
@@PinkFloydesunInventodelaCIA I mostly agree, but still. It appears to me that Unix-like systems with their suites of tools that do one thing and do it well and operate on basic containers of data like text files or any open, well documented formats fit his way of looking at things. When it comes to actually putting in effort and caring about this stuff, on the whole I think it's worth it. When I switched to using free software, and I'm in this fortunate position where I can get away with using 100% free software (except BIOS and CPU firmware), I feel so much happier despite the fact that society and all kinds of institutions pressure me into using their "tools".
OMG! I cannot believe that I am in precisely the same boat, as it were. For years I've told my students I don't even own an a cellphone and they just cannot believe it (also didn't own a TV for roughly 25 yrs). They think I'm some kind of Luddite -- if they knew the reference -- but, more to the point, they cannot imagine living without the cellphone whereas I cannot imagine living with it. I finally did purchase one, albeit an Android version, which has very limited capacities, and which I was effectively forced to purchase in order to access my various teaching aids (Zoom, Canvas, et cetera) when I'm in the classroom. I see what it's done to the younger generation and I have no desire to become addicted to a time-vampire that has no value to my life, despite its potential usefulness. It's amazing how difficult it is to explain to people why I would elect not use one. They ask, "what if your car breaks down?". I respond, "I get out and walk". They cannot imagine it! They ask, "what if there is an emergency?", and I ask "precisely how many times have you used your cellphone to deal with an actual emergency?". Typically, the answer is none. And it's not as if we didn't have emergencies before the cellphone.! What does the phone do to mitigate against emergencies exactly? "What if you want to find someplace?". "I look at a map", I answer. My God! What the hell has happened that I am forced to purchase some stupid thing that tracks everywhere I am, when I'm there, and can potentially be used to listen into every single conversation I have? Why I God's earth would I want to give that kind of power to anyone, let alone to corporations which don't even pretend to represent my interests? Trust me, the cheap phone I use is no less neutral than your Apple device. After all, I must explain to my peers why I don't have an Apple...I feel like Nietzsche when he remarked that the mail came too often. My students just expect to hear back from me within minutes of sending me an email, and I get nearly a thousand a day. How did we all suddenly make ourselves on-call 24 hours a day? In hearing you speak of loss of control, I must suggest that you not invest in Windows 11 unless you wish to cede access to your hard drive to Microsoft, because effectively it has complete control over the cypher keys to our machines.
I feel exactly like you do. I don't have a smartphone, because I don't want to, just a desktop computer at home. I would even destroy the internet if I could. I don't want all these companies managing my life via their digital "services". Nowadays in many places you can't go to a public toilet without an app. You need a specific app to open the door and to pay for the use of a toilet. Seriously, this I found out at a railway station a few years back. I felt like wanting to sh* right there at the door.👿
This video reminds me of one 'episode' or issue of the comic book Transmetropolitan where the main protagonist (a cynical journalist who returns from his retirement from basically a wood cabin into a very modern and very cyber punk world and catalogues that city's weirdness), in this issue he is basically allowed to enter private reserves which are made for people who don't want to live in the 'modern cyberpunk' world but wish to live in 'simpler times'. And this corporation that creates these reserves basically tailor different types of world based on our past. I think he enters one with celtic tribes warring. Is very interesting, and in no way am I calling you some ludite or whatever. It's just an immediate association that came to my mind.
Okay, it's really hard to tell what's going on here. Am I the only one who sees this as a weird, sarcastic, perhaps intentionally "profilic" display. I just can't shake the feeling that there is something more experimental and philosophical going on here than just talking about Apple and technology.
Maybe so. But It’s also a certainty that Moeller’s regular presentation as a reserved, calm, amoral person is rather profilic. If there’s anything unusual about this video it’s that he’s engaging in much more (borderline) moral communication than usual. I think you’re right that that’s not on accident. I imagine Moeller could and would make the points that the “hatred” he expresses here is not exactly moral communication and that he does not identify with this hatred too intensely. It’s all a bit tongue in cheek.
@@theoperator9178 I totally agree but don’t think he would defend the moral language. I’m pretty sure it’s a kind of “genuine act”, a playing, an experiment or whatever. Most accounts with 50k subs would never play around like this. Guess it helps if you’re a Daoist and also have financial security.
I'm a web developer, so I'm fairly squarely inside the system you're arguing against, but I do have to agree with many of your statements. I dislike Apple with a passion. Part of it is the lifestyle branding, but it's more about the control they have with its success. Not only are they taking away my control, they're also making it nearly impossible to repair their phones, in a way that makes one all but certain that it's planned. And where they lead other companies follow, even companies like Samsung. I think you might have the same phone like me, an S10e. It's one of the last flagship Samsung phones that has a headphone jack and extendable memory, now it's gone because of "waterproofing" (at the same time smartphone makers introduced motorized selfie cameras, so that's obviously bullshit) and a pursuit of flatness beyond what's comfortable in my hand. Yeah, no, the reason they removed these ports is to make one buy their Bluetooth headsets. I'll pass for as long as I can. These in-display fingerprint scanners were also for the longest part a clear regression compared to the regular ones. And how they now have 5 Cameras in every smartphone.... Stupid. The only variant on the camera that makes sense is a wide lens variant that causes distortions at the border, zoom lenses with fixed zoom, usually not much, have not really been useful for me. But the battery has to go, no place for it anymore... Oh, and Apple is also deliberately crippling their browser to avoid competition with their App-Store. And they are forcing every other browser to use their engine, making Safari essentially a monopoly on ios devices. Microsoft got hit with successful litigation FOR JUST PREINSTALLING their browser in Windows, how Apple is scraping by with an enforced monopoly is a good question. To think how completely Steve Jobs betrayed the values he and Steve Wozniak made Apple originally successful with.
Thanks for acknowledging the pain modern technology breeds and brings. I live in Hawaii in a Soto Japanese Zen temple, and the saddest thing I ever heard was Japanese Buddhist priest saying DOGEN WOULD HAVE BEEN BETTER OFF WITH A SMART PHONE RATHER THAN GOING TO CHINA. I am sure you can relate to my pain upon hearing the words of the priest!
Greetings, Professor, from one who has never owned a smart phone. I feel your pain over having had one inflicted on you. My reasons for despising them are identical to yours, point for point. Thanks. It's nice to know I'm not completely alone.
Hahahaha hilarious video... and the auto-update! I never thought about it that way!!! it is true! I was reading books on my kindle the other day, marveling at the convenience, but knowing that because of DRM I couldn't share it with anyone, even though I would share a physical book. I looked up at the history of DRM and how every version of kindle makes it harder and harder to share books, and now I am hesitant to grow a digital library that I cannot share. Better to buy the physical books
I almost couldn't finish watching this video as it makes me so angry what is happening to us. The extra convenience or efficiency of the technology is what we would call the 'thin end of the wedge' in this situation.
There are people living without smartphone. You can go the the bank physically, it's just inconvenient. You can still write by hand and let someone to type it like your dad did. Print your emails and so on. You have to put effort and it's inconvenient, but such was the past too. You had to go to buy a stamp and then walk to the post office. It's not like you've owned the roads to get there, or the post office. Over time post office building got closed and moved. Only difference I see is that physical limitations made it very slow and somewhat gradual (although there were abrupt changes). I'm 34 and remember time without mobile phone, PC and internet. I remember taking a blanked to the car during winter, because it was cold in there. I remember my dad repairing his own car. There seems to be two sides of this "enforcement". On one side, you're absolutely correct, that people are pushed and forced by companies and state (I have to have ID with a chip nowadays), and there is no escape. On the other hand, some of these changes are enabling way more efficient way of doing things (you don't have to go to the bank physically) and thus making life easier, more reliable (tech in healthcare) and cheaper (now the bank doesn't have to operate physical store) therefore more accessible. One thing remains through the time. The older people are the more they miss being young.
Hearing this, it makes me wonder what Prof. Moellers opinion is about contemporary capitalism-critical social theories like, for example, the acceleration-thesis as advanced by Hartmut Rosa is. A problem with capitalist marketing and especially with how it relates to time seems (rightfully) endemic in our day. [Also, I didn't mind smartphones - or, frankly: internet per se - until they invented push-notifications.]
Hi both, thank you for the video, and I like the experimentation with a new and interesting format. I have personally felt a similar sort of anger, even though I am a bit younger than you, and grew up with computers in some form or other (no typewriters at least) I only started noticing this issue about 6-7 years ago, but as you say it is exponential, and has got more acute as time goes on. What I have concluded is that the main difference between how I would wish to interact with technology, and how I end up doing so that makes me angry, is the difference between a tool and an environment: A tool is something I use to solve, or facilitate the solving of a problem I wish to solve, or something I wish to create. I for the most part understand how it works, and I know exactly what to do to get a specified outcome. An environment, on the other hand is something I have to enter for some reason, in your example to have a bank account. I have no idea exactly stuff is happening to me, it can make me uncomfortable and I don't know what is happening because I am completely immersed in it; I am not in control.
Its kind of funny to see professor Moeller get mad at an apple product when he is usually so calm and objective. This is an interesting development of his profile.
I know… I kept thinking he was pretending to be angry as a joke. But it’s refreshing to see his resentment of these aspects techno-culture is genuine. One feels at times like one is being subjected to the whims of a kind of Caligula.
I entirely feel for the loss of the typewriters, CD players, phones etc that weren't all bundled up into one internet device that's connected to the cloud and insists that everything you have be on the cloud (where a tech giant has control of). Previously, there was more emphasis on a machine being more mechanical, static and like he says more easy to figure out entirely. Additionally, there was also more of an emphasis on keeping media on physical form (tapes, DVDs, flash etc) where it's under your control and not under the whims of Netflix or Amazon. The worst thing is there might not be going back to the old world of static machines as they cost more to produce now because no one demands them. Maybe in the future there will be a pushback and a new appreciation of having seperate devices that aren't internet enabled, but we should see.
@@johnjones8850 see that's the problem. You have to be a hipster and hold onto increasingly old tech in order to maintain this bubble, which really is a bubble that isolates you.
Heh, did you think that 'clickbait' title (with Capslock-ed word and everything) and the shaky handheld smartphone footage from the streets, strong wording, judgment, opinions, interview format, sound design, editing, the whole package... Did you really think that we, your audience, will 'miss' all these clues that this video is nothing but a 'Profilicity' experimental demonstration (even if it is 'Authentic')? I guess you were right, sadly. Judging from the top comments most viewers completely missed it all. They only heard exactly and only one thing they wanted to hear... "Yeah, I hate Apple too, bad, evil big corp! Whoa prof, we so alike." Well, at least some of us 'got it' (or am I also just being foolish).
I'm not extremely familiar with the channel, but these sentiments towards Apple are pretty common among people. Even if you stay away from philosophy or branding, just their anti-repair tactics, and especially in the United States, the way people kids in particular on Android phones are judged as being poor because they have the wrong color bubbles. ( Even though the highest end Android phones, the highest price points are more expensive than Apple phones.)
I borrowed a book from the library on my eReader and with 10% left to finish the book, my loan ended and the book was taken off my device. Now I can't get it back for 4 weeks. If I'd just borrowed the actual book, I could have returned it when I was finished, but somehow I have less control over data that is infinitely replicable. (I realise this is a bit tangential but DRM makes me very angry, and Apple is one of the worst offenders.)
He's right - it's the whole reason this coof thing was delivered via iphone - if the phone tells you to do something, MANY ppl do it without question. It's called a 'smart'phone for a reason
Professor Moeller, I can recommend you to look into the free software movement. It is centered specifically around the freedom of the users of software, and their ability to collectively control what the software does. Here is described what this means precicely: (link removed because otherwise youtube deletes my comment. The article is "What is free software?" by the GNU project.) Of special relevance to your feelings would be freedom 0: - The freedom to run the program as you wish, for any purpose This includes the freedom *not* to run the program. The philosophy of this movement is what birthed the GNU/Linux operating system. I think this movement helps put words on much of what is so gross with the modern tech industry. More people need to be made aware of these issues. Also, there is a talk by Stallman, the founder of the movement, named "Free Software, Free Society". Listen to that, it is very illuminating and aimed at regular people. It's about 15 minutes.
As a person who works inside this bubble - cloud computing and huge data clusters, what I hate the most is on the one side the "infinite" entertainment - you buy a game and its just made so that you can never finish it, the moment you are close to it, as you said, they update it, or they have a daily quest routine, whatever the fuck it is, but you never get close to being done with it, that makes me nuts. And on the other hand, is the fact that you spend resources to buy something, a software, and you really enjoy the version you brought. It does exactly what you want it to, and then because the software is actually a network, it relies on other people and its also a marketplace, they decide to restrict you from using the old version and force an update. Even if you don't enjoy the new version, you have paid for it. Ownership as the "right to access" is probably one of the most fucked up ideas out there.
As others have pointed out: It would be interesting to hear the professors perspectives on the philosophy of free/libre software, and perhaps also the shortcomings of free/libre software. (See the article "Freedom Isn't Free" by Wendy Liu)
I've had to use a CPAP machine since 1998. Now, the machine is controlled over a weak cell phone signal by the medical equipment leasing company at the behest of the insurance company.
Apple is the biggest secular religion around. I remember when it became clear that everyone had to leave the Commodore Amiga scene behind. There was a choice between Apple, Linux and Windows. I think many chose Windows, the great enemy, just because it seemed like the least ideologically loaded and most pragmatic choice. This was probably also in one of the least "cool" eras of Apple when the Mac wasn't so new, and they had not started releasing all their new "i" products. The science fiction of Philip K Dick predicted a sort of angst about technology becoming pervasive with his classic novel Ubik (1969). He used the gnostic concept of pleroma (fullness) to try to communicate how marketing and technology was approaching a point where it was everywhere and always promising to fill some need. He exactly used the example of a door to a home which refused to open until some small payment was made. But then he goes on to imagine another so called "exponentially worse" increase in pervasiveness where all reality becomes some sort of technologically facilitated nightmare hallucination. A much more mature vision than the childish "metaverse" of Snow Crash.
There is this general dismissiveness by young people about older folks being frustrated by tech, but this video made me realise how legitimate their concerns can be. What's especially striking to me is that the meaning of the word "smart" is remarkably vague and undefined, but when you use a Marxist framework it suddenly materialises into something concrete like: A technological commodity with the goal of creating a structure that forces the user to engage with it.
Professor, you should be a model of samsung ad saying: "It's better than apple because it's not cool. actually it's shitty that i can't use a common bank app"
Lol this is like when Apple sued Samsung and the judge said that Samsung tablets didn't infringe apple's designs because Samsung's tablets were "not as cool". The legal shade of it all.
DJ Premier has a series on tracks of his with floppy disks back at the time. I know it's not related, just wondered how such a fantastic crossover could come to life.
I also am so angry about the control issue. Same with autos. I used to be able to fix my own stuff, cars. I'm not a mechanic, but there were manuals and parts were not "proprietary computer technology", so I could do it. One could even borrow tools if missing from the collection. Part of this is the Tremendous waste, and degradation of humans, animals, and environment for these wondrous machines. I don't think it an age thing, unless by age we mean not being indoctrinated into the built in obsolescence acceptance mode. It maybe because I come from people who lived through being on low ends of some real shite times and that was passed down, not only verbally, through stories, but through biochemical means. I don't like not being able to fix something. I don't like not knowing about a thing without having to learn the entire technological aspect range of the product. I especially dislike the negative identity traits assigned to me that I have for my disdain of this reality. I especially dislike that my kid's other parent and fam gave these things to my kid while my kid was staying there for a season, getting them good and hooked, then having to rely to an certain extant upon them right afterwards due to the worldwide health issue.
@@wayneirving1475 I was expecting him swinging an absolute hog of Willy straight smack bang into the apple building and there’s a speech bubble above him that says “uhhh that’s gonna leave a mark!”
Why am I getting "old man yells at cloud" vibes? I understand his points, I agree with him 100%, I'm not in any social networks but still I'm addicted to TH-cam . We're in this together, let us all yell at cloud... I guess cloud computing now.
Watching this video and reading the comments feels like one big mindfuck. Thanks for the reminder of how profiles shape my expectations and how easy it is to make me uncertain of my judgements!
This video seems like a great example of performance art. Valid points emphasized by fake outrage. The exemplification of profilicity in the modern age. 🖼
I don't think the outrage was fake. It was real.That's why he made the point of how he shouldn't get angry as a person with Daoist background. In the end even the greatest among us are only Human all too Human.
The morphing of consumer choice into consumer dependency. Your observation on being subdued by technology really struck me, we should all consider the consequences of this
I feel like this entire argument, you could swap out Apple with cigarettes or alcohol or sugary drinks and the reasoning would still hold, but people would get more defensive about the latter options
If you want a more philosophical take on this topic, you can refer to this video:
The Political Commodification of YOURSELF! #SELFIE Protest:
th-cam.com/video/UfsS_FIsjVc/w-d-xo.html
His views on programed obsolescence will be interesting, also in the microplastic environment invasion.
Why not put a link to a video on morality?
Thank you for this wonderful video - I completely agree with you and feel much the same way.
As you were about to talk about unwanted updates, my phone cut the video and forced me to look at an update page, which I have been persistently ignoring and will forever ignore until it forces me to.
I hate that Apple dropped the floppy drive in the iPhone.
One of the worst examples of this that I've come across recently is restaurants *no longer having menus and instead forcing you to scan a QR code to receive the menu on your phone.* Nightmare.
I double majored in computer science and philosophy as an undergrad, so this video really speaks to me.
I'm a big fan of open source software. Not only are open source projects brilliant educational tools, but they often provide high-quality software that meets a need without resorting to scummy business tactics like selling personal data. When it comes to software updates, open source is wonderful as well. Open source projects are only updated when the community behind the project agrees to said update, and I've never come across an open source project that forces updates on users. I used open source technology as much as I could through my college days, and I felt I had a "symbiotic" relationship with my computers during that phase of my life.
That all changed when I entered the workforce as an enterprise software engineer. Within a matter of months, my job forced me to work using Microsoft or Apple software, because those were the two systems everyone else was on and those were the two systems our clients used. I was required to install a bunch of data-collecting software on my smartphone as well for communication and security purposes. Apple is absolutely the worst offender in the tech world, in my opinion. In order to even get one of their devices working properly, you usually need to use at least one of their other devices working in harmony with it. Furthermore, when something goes wrong, they have strict anti-modification rules that prevent users from getting support from anyone other than Apple. They're pretty scummy.
I can never take issue with technology itself. I think technology is a neutral force in our world. It can be used to increase the quality of our lives, but it can also be used to enslave us. What I take issue with are the business-people who use technology to deliberately keep us dependent on systems that keep us so miserable that we are suggestible to advertisements and manipulation, but also so comfortable that we don't challenge it in any tangible way.
I would love to see social media disappear completely. It's one of the scummiest business practices ever conceived of.
Is there such a thing as an open source smartphone? I'd like to be able to use gps navigation, a calculator, take notes and photos and do everything else (email, banking, etc) via web browser.
@@lemonjuice3551 I don't think there is an open source piece of hardware, but there are certainly open source software projects available for smartphones.
Additionally, some smartphones are more resistant to custom software than others. This is where Apple drops the ball again, with all of the strict policies the have in place to prevent unauthorized software from being installed on their iPhones. I use a Samsung smartphone, and I have plenty of open source software I installed on it without any problems :)
@@lemonjuice3551 For hardware open-source projects, check this page
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_open-source_hardware_projects
There are some open source mobile/smartphones:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_open-source_mobile_phones
... but, at the end of the day, due to how Internet security works, you'd be forced to use something from a big corporation. I recommend Mozilla, as it's open source, but be aware...
Personally I don't think technology is neutral: the reason open-source is so good is because the community designs the tech to work as well as possible for themselves, whereas proprietary tech is designed to wring as much money out of the users as possible. These technologies have fundamentally different values regarding how things should be designed, which results in eco-systems that are either symbiotic or parasitic for users. The value systems which shape the tech aren't neutral, thus the tech isn't neutral.
Technically is far from neutral. Technology and capitalism are inseparable and have their own inherent process...
Finally Hans Georg Moeller has learned how to talk to Gen Z
Hans being Gen X is diametrically opposed to everything Gen Z stands for. Btw check out “The 90s” by Chuck Klosterman for an interesting read.
Doesn't he still put the warning about how these videos are on a platform that's designed to be addictive? I remember seeing those warnings in earlier videos and thought they were a good idea.
@@krunkle5136 están al final del video
@@krunkle5136 useless. Put a warning on crystal meth and see how that would work
Really enjoyed the "authentic" display here. Moving out of the office and away from the locked off camera, turning this into much more of a vlog/"rant", and embracing the all caps "DESTORYS" clickbait title, and even back in the office going hand held, all youtube language signifiers of "authenticity"/"Unfiltered emotions".
While I have no reason to doubt this is how Georg actually feels about modern technology and its increasing complexity, I will be interested to see how Professor Moeller breaks down, as Fai described, the brand on brand (or profile on profile) conflict shown in this video.
Glad to see the channel experimenting with other forms of youtube content, and hopefully raising the prolific value of this channel. You have my like and comment good sirs!
Ah that's what they were doing. It sort of felt messy to me but I knew there was something deeper to the video. Good stuff.
I was raised in a computer repair shop and grew to despise Apple because of their unwillingness to allow people to modify their devices. Once you have one of their devices they basically make you buy all of their devices to effectively use one. If you wanna get a device repaired you've got to go to them as well. On top of that there's the social idolization of the brand in the west, especially in America. It's too the point where people will literally admit that the phone is overpriced and not worth it but still buy it anyway.
Here in Brazil, you can literally get 10 mid range good smartphones (or maybe 4~5 top tier ones) for the price of one of the latest iphones. It's so ridiculously expensive that even some rich people will not bother having one. It's purely a status thing.
Yup, there is even subtle things like the green vs blue emoji that reinforce this.
I heard they ran focus groups and when they put the price of the iPhones at the actual amount that they're worth, people thought they must be too cheap and didn't want to buy it. So it's not entirely a status thing, there's a sort of psychological paradox to it. But, yeah, I've never had one myself, I've always found apple to be weirdly like the flashback in a sci-fi film that explains how our world became a techno-dystopia or something haha
@@seansteel328 that makes sense but you got to think that the people in the focus group probably think it's cheap due to the fact that Apple has created this price standard to gauge the quality of the technology with. In other words the framework/ad campaigns/brand/profile that Apple has created works so well that even when people are presented with the actual value they'd rather pay more💸
@@seansteel328 That psychological paradox is well known in economics and even has a name - the Veblen Effect. And it affects all luxury goods, not just iphones.
I had to work 12 hours as a camera man recording a tech conference where I had to sit and listen to people talking about the wonders of Musk, Bezos and Steve Jobs. A lot of the speakers were fanboying hard and it just felt strange, like there was this one speaker who basically treat Ellon like a god, he talks about how he has went out of his way to find clips of Ellon when he was young and talked about how he tries to live his life like Ellon. The entire thing made me so angry. A lot of the people there were really rude and snobby, comparatively the workers were all really kind and helpful.
This video perfectly describes why I default to using open-source software wherever I can. I feel much more in control of my electronic devices in that way, and I feel as though those devices then primarily serve their original goal, instead of advertising to me or selling my data to the highest bidder.
@@blankname5177 Has the philosopher never heard of Blender?
I was sooo frustrating that open source software were not mentioned in this video. This guy is so angry, but this anger isn't motivation for him to find a solution (or at the very least a lesser-evil)
I am not sure how does having open-source software make you have more control? Is it because you have the ability to change the code? Do most people know how to change the code? And what do you mean they serve their original goal? Doesn't the goals change as new needs are discovered?
@@guillermonieto9727 Open source doesn't solve many issues mentioned in the video, but it solves the issue of unconsented data collection that most apps do nowadays. If the code is known, it is known whether it does shady stuff or not. Of course most people can't read code like that but you can kind of trust the "peer review" system. Sometimes company do "official" audits of their code i.e. have professionals read their code and get some sort of certification that the code is "good"/privacy respecting, etc.
@@GjPeddy what you are talking about seems to be about transparency than of consent. I think having transparency is good but I would like to that software get tested in psychology experiments to see weather they are effective or not, do psychology experiments to see if they are harmful and also that there is something of collective decision making of implanting stuff the users need or want remove (the difficulty is that the users don't know what they want or need, this is something my professors of software engineering have mentioned to me)
It's facinating to watch the profile of this professor evolve in real time.
Philosopher destroys apple with FACTS and LOGIC
Well, A P P L E I N C went ahead and destroyed the philosopher's society. Which he heeds to exist. So check mate, give or take a couple of decades and no changes made to societal appopiation of knowledge then BOOM. Apple will have their way!
He went BEAST MODE
I refused to get a smartphone until 2015 when I was essentially forced to. I became utterly dependent on it in a matter of months. I remember my brain working differently; I've delegated too many tasks to this device and ceded that much more control over my identity to the web of interconnected corporations that created this dystopia.
This whole video felt like an Andy Rooney 60 minutes segment in the best way.
I have to wonder how much that reflects more on your fragility compared to the world around you.
I had the same thing with my phone. The identity part is the one that I find the worst. It's nice to hear you say it too - I talk about it to people quite often but nobody seems to care or understand. I struggle personally to not take on these corporate values from the internet but it gets harder all the time as the whole of my culture is getting dominated by them.
who forced you? did you need a certain app for a job? i've always used aliases online, i have no difficulty keeping my online personas in their own bubble separate from me. anyone who i care to communicate with knows how to find me, to everyone else i'm a made up thing
@@sidarthur8706 I'm not referring to how I appear online to others. What I mean is how our own behaviour, feelings and views are being shaped by our use of this technology.
@@AlidadV can you elaborate?
Apple products are deliberately constructed to be hard to repair (see Louis Rossmann's channel for more on that). The annoying hipsterism aside, this is actually more costly to consumers and worse for the environment, since devices are built to be made obsolete once their life cycle has ended and consumers are essentially forced to buy new products to keep the machine churning. The real blackpill is that apple is actually so successful with their awful business practices, that other companies are now imitating them. Looks like Spengler was right, optimism is indeed cowardice.
Moral language! Emotions! Authentic footage! Go profile go!!!
the worst part about the constant updates is that they leave data behind that just accumulates and is really difficult to remove, making it essentially a timed self destruction for anyone who doesnt know about it.
awesome video,
It's like two opposite forces of planned obsolescence and planned possession working at the same time.
can you expand pls?
i kind of got what you might be saying...
@@arpitthakur45 Through planned obsolescence (products made to only last so long) you are then forced to continue upgrading and possess new products. You are also being made to possess these products as apple stops providing software updates to older phones.
Moeller is a champion
And you're gonna hear him roar
Coming from innovation and business engineering; this trend is increasingly upsetting.
Thank you, Müller and Fai for communicating your work through this medium - your channel has helped me challenge the status quo view of the why questions we are taught taking engineering degrees.
I thought I could detect some kind of Irish accent, and upon a wee bit of research, I noted that you spent a lot of time in Cork.
It shows, as it were!
Anyone notice the BLAME! volume in the bookshelf?
Fai is an amazing interviewer xD
Ever Asking the hard-hitting questions!
I came for the clickbait title and stayed for the curation of a commodified profile
I found this video highly amusing and refreshing. It feels like we are all living in some sort of black mirror dystopia or a Truman show, and here we got one guy that escaped that whole bubble for 15 minutes to give a quick, honest interview.
Recently I've seen people of LinkedIn refer to their profile as a "personal brand" which confuses me because I don't understand why anyone would willingly brand themselves except perhaps in entertainment. To me a brand is openly inauthentic. The reason for this is that I went to the first lecture on a course on marketing and they explained that a brand is an image. Not an image of what the product actually is but an image of what the company wants the consumers to see it as. So I can't trust a "personal brand" because they are more likely there to just sell me something and not there to teach me something useful nevermind something useful to the world.
But I think this gets at a major theme of this entire channel. Someone talking about a "personal brand" is using the identity paradigm of "profilicity" which is explicitly different than the identity paradigm of "authenticity". So of course, from an authenticity perspective, it seems like a betrayal.
I would say each paradigm (as well as the older "sincerity" paradigm) has its pros and cons, limitations and contradictions. For example, I would suggest that most people who claim to be their "authentic" selves still curate different aspects of themselves with different audiences. (E.g. I don't talk the same way to my friends as I would to my boss, and don't talk the same way to either of those as I would my grandma.) Since social media has created a system in which our presentation can result in extreme backlash from other people, there are very practical reasons from a profilic perspective to pay attention to that rather than being authentic at any cost. Authentic becomes "obnoxious" or "naive" in a social media profilic paradigm
Professor Moeller should look into GNU, Linux and the philosophy of Free Software. It would be very interesting to hear about his thoughts on the idea and its current implementations.
pero eso sería la sobretecnologización de la que moeller se está quejando, son conocimientos que tendría que forzosamente aprender y que en realidad no le interesan para nada
@@PinkFloydesunInventodelaCIA I mostly agree, but still. It appears to me that Unix-like systems with their suites of tools that do one thing and do it well and operate on basic containers of data like text files or any open, well documented formats fit his way of looking at things. When it comes to actually putting in effort and caring about this stuff, on the whole I think it's worth it. When I switched to using free software, and I'm in this fortunate position where I can get away with using 100% free software (except BIOS and CPU firmware), I feel so much happier despite the fact that society and all kinds of institutions pressure me into using their "tools".
OMG! I cannot believe that I am in precisely the same boat, as it were. For years I've told my students I don't even own an a cellphone and they just cannot believe it (also didn't own a TV for roughly 25 yrs). They think I'm some kind of Luddite -- if they knew the reference -- but, more to the point, they cannot imagine living without the cellphone whereas I cannot imagine living with it. I finally did purchase one, albeit an Android version, which has very limited capacities, and which I was effectively forced to purchase in order to access my various teaching aids (Zoom, Canvas, et cetera) when I'm in the classroom.
I see what it's done to the younger generation and I have no desire to become addicted to a time-vampire that has no value to my life, despite its potential usefulness. It's amazing how difficult it is to explain to people why I would elect not use one. They ask, "what if your car breaks down?". I respond, "I get out and walk". They cannot imagine it! They ask, "what if there is an emergency?", and I ask "precisely how many times have you used your cellphone to deal with an actual emergency?". Typically, the answer is none. And it's not as if we didn't have emergencies before the cellphone.! What does the phone do to mitigate against emergencies exactly? "What if you want to find someplace?". "I look at a map", I answer. My God! What the hell has happened that I am forced to purchase some stupid thing that tracks everywhere I am, when I'm there, and can potentially be used to listen into every single conversation I have? Why I God's earth would I want to give that kind of power to anyone, let alone to corporations which don't even pretend to represent my interests?
Trust me, the cheap phone I use is no less neutral than your Apple device. After all, I must explain to my peers why I don't have an Apple...I feel like Nietzsche when he remarked that the mail came too often. My students just expect to hear back from me within minutes of sending me an email, and I get nearly a thousand a day. How did we all suddenly make ourselves on-call 24 hours a day?
In hearing you speak of loss of control, I must suggest that you not invest in Windows 11 unless you wish to cede access to your hard drive to Microsoft, because effectively it has complete control over the cypher keys to our machines.
I feel exactly like you do. I don't have a smartphone, because I don't want to, just a desktop computer at home. I would even destroy the internet if I could. I don't want all these companies managing my life via their digital "services". Nowadays in many places you can't go to a public toilet without an app. You need a specific app to open the door and to pay for the use of a toilet. Seriously, this I found out at a railway station a few years back. I felt like wanting to sh* right there at the door.👿
Lol I love this video so much, the endearing relationship between Moeller and his students is so sweet.
Great video, thank you for putting it so well!!
This video made me laugh a lot! Fai question about professor’s brand was the best ❤
This video reminds me of one 'episode' or issue of the comic book Transmetropolitan where the main protagonist (a cynical journalist who returns from his retirement from basically a wood cabin into a very modern and very cyber punk world and catalogues that city's weirdness), in this issue he is basically allowed to enter private reserves which are made for people who don't want to live in the 'modern cyberpunk' world but wish to live in 'simpler times'. And this corporation that creates these reserves basically tailor different types of world based on our past. I think he enters one with celtic tribes warring. Is very interesting, and in no way am I calling you some ludite or whatever. It's just an immediate association that came to my mind.
You should do a video on GNU/LINUX and the philosophy of free software
Unrelated, but boy did I get giddy when I saw a volume of BLAME! on the shelf behind you. Good taste!
Watching on the latest iPhone.
Okay, it's really hard to tell what's going on here. Am I the only one who sees this as a weird, sarcastic, perhaps intentionally "profilic" display. I just can't shake the feeling that there is something more experimental and philosophical going on here than just talking about Apple and technology.
YES me too
yeah he got candid
Absolutely! Do you think the story in the description about Fai shooting a documentary is bs? Seems almost too convenient.
Maybe so. But It’s also a certainty that Moeller’s regular presentation as a reserved, calm, amoral person is rather profilic. If there’s anything unusual about this video it’s that he’s engaging in much more (borderline) moral communication than usual. I think you’re right that that’s not on accident.
I imagine Moeller could and would make the points that the “hatred” he expresses here is not exactly moral communication and that he does not identify with this hatred too intensely. It’s all a bit tongue in cheek.
@@theoperator9178 I totally agree but don’t think he would defend the moral language. I’m pretty sure it’s a kind of “genuine act”, a playing, an experiment or whatever.
Most accounts with 50k subs would never play around like this. Guess it helps if you’re a Daoist and also have financial security.
That glimmer of a smile @3:52 😂❤️
This whole video is based 10/10
Only based ppl get it
I'm a web developer, so I'm fairly squarely inside the system you're arguing against, but I do have to agree with many of your statements.
I dislike Apple with a passion. Part of it is the lifestyle branding, but it's more about the control they have with its success. Not only are they taking away my control, they're also making it nearly impossible to repair their phones, in a way that makes one all but certain that it's planned. And where they lead other companies follow, even companies like Samsung. I think you might have the same phone like me, an S10e. It's one of the last flagship Samsung phones that has a headphone jack and extendable memory, now it's gone because of "waterproofing" (at the same time smartphone makers introduced motorized selfie cameras, so that's obviously bullshit) and a pursuit of flatness beyond what's comfortable in my hand. Yeah, no, the reason they removed these ports is to make one buy their Bluetooth headsets. I'll pass for as long as I can.
These in-display fingerprint scanners were also for the longest part a clear regression compared to the regular ones.
And how they now have 5 Cameras in every smartphone.... Stupid. The only variant on the camera that makes sense is a wide lens variant that causes distortions at the border, zoom lenses with fixed zoom, usually not much, have not really been useful for me. But the battery has to go, no place for it anymore...
Oh, and Apple is also deliberately crippling their browser to avoid competition with their App-Store. And they are forcing every other browser to use their engine, making Safari essentially a monopoly on ios devices. Microsoft got hit with successful litigation FOR JUST PREINSTALLING their browser in Windows, how Apple is scraping by with an enforced monopoly is a good question.
To think how completely Steve Jobs betrayed the values he and Steve Wozniak made Apple originally successful with.
Couldn't agree with you more even if I wanted to. Thank You!
I can't explain the pleasure I felt when he swore 🤣
Thanks for acknowledging the pain modern technology breeds and brings. I live in Hawaii in a Soto Japanese Zen temple, and the saddest thing I ever heard was Japanese Buddhist priest saying DOGEN WOULD HAVE BEEN BETTER OFF WITH A SMART PHONE RATHER THAN GOING TO CHINA. I am sure you can relate to my pain upon hearing the words of the priest!
What's dogen
I think a more appropriate title is "Apple DESTROYS Philosopher"
Tru
Greetings, Professor, from one who has never owned a smart phone. I feel your pain over having had one inflicted on you. My reasons for despising them are identical to yours, point for point. Thanks. It's nice to know I'm not completely alone.
Hahahaha hilarious video... and the auto-update! I never thought about it that way!!! it is true! I was reading books on my kindle the other day, marveling at the convenience, but knowing that because of DRM I couldn't share it with anyone, even though I would share a physical book. I looked up at the history of DRM and how every version of kindle makes it harder and harder to share books, and now I am hesitant to grow a digital library that I cannot share. Better to buy the physical books
I almost couldn't finish watching this video as it makes me so angry what is happening to us.
The extra convenience or efficiency of the technology is what we would call the 'thin end of the wedge' in this situation.
I am around the same age as you Dr Moeller, and I feel exactly the same way! Thanks for this. I found it very therapeutic
Fai, you're English is fantastic, don't feel the need to always put subtitles for it when you are speaking :)
Hm. If I'm judging on the audience who ist judging on the professor who is judging on a brand, what will this do to my profile?
Given that you have 0 subscribers, not very much unfortunately
Hahah, I enjoyed both the performance and the message, nicely done
Very funny to see the Prof's "authentic" side! Planned obsolescence is a scourge against humanity.
😂 F- word authentically expressing the professor. The ideas discussed are thoughtful. 👍
He's slowly turning into Zizek.
There are people living without smartphone. You can go the the bank physically, it's just inconvenient. You can still write by hand and let someone to type it like your dad did.
Print your emails and so on. You have to put effort and it's inconvenient, but such was the past too. You had to go to buy a stamp and then walk to the post office. It's not like you've owned the roads to get there, or the post office. Over time post office building got closed and moved. Only difference I see is that physical limitations made it very slow and somewhat gradual (although there were abrupt changes). I'm 34 and remember time without mobile phone, PC and internet. I remember taking a blanked to the car during winter, because it was cold in there. I remember my dad repairing his own car.
There seems to be two sides of this "enforcement". On one side, you're absolutely correct, that people are pushed and forced by companies and state (I have to have ID with a chip nowadays), and there is no escape.
On the other hand, some of these changes are enabling way more efficient way of doing things (you don't have to go to the bank physically) and thus making life easier, more reliable (tech in healthcare) and cheaper (now the bank doesn't have to operate physical store) therefore more accessible.
One thing remains through the time. The older people are the more they miss being young.
Hearing this, it makes me wonder what Prof. Moellers opinion is about contemporary capitalism-critical social theories like, for example, the acceleration-thesis as advanced by Hartmut Rosa is. A problem with capitalist marketing and especially with how it relates to time seems (rightfully) endemic in our day. [Also, I didn't mind smartphones - or, frankly: internet per se - until they invented push-notifications.]
Hi both, thank you for the video, and I like the experimentation with a new and interesting format. I have personally felt a similar sort of anger, even though I am a bit younger than you, and grew up with computers in some form or other (no typewriters at least)
I only started noticing this issue about 6-7 years ago, but as you say it is exponential, and has got more acute as time goes on.
What I have concluded is that the main difference between how I would wish to interact with technology, and how I end up doing so that makes me angry, is the difference between a tool and an environment:
A tool is something I use to solve, or facilitate the solving of a problem I wish to solve, or something I wish to create. I for the most part understand how it works, and I know exactly what to do to get a specified outcome.
An environment, on the other hand is something I have to enter for some reason, in your example to have a bank account. I have no idea exactly stuff is happening to me, it can make me uncomfortable and I don't know what is happening because I am completely immersed in it; I am not in control.
First time on this channel where I am completely in agreement with Prof. Moeller.
Loved this!
The worst thing is new generations distinguish less and less how life can be without all these devices
Its kind of funny to see professor Moeller get mad at an apple product when he is usually so calm and objective. This is an interesting development of his profile.
I know… I kept thinking he was pretending to be angry as a joke. But it’s refreshing to see his resentment of these aspects techno-culture is genuine. One feels at times like one is being subjected to the whims of a kind of Caligula.
I love this video.
1:12 I hate when the people are dressed. That is true ideological fanatism.
Spread the word, prophet
The office segment has a "few beers deep" vibe
does the professor have any thoughts/ experiences on/ with non-corporate technology like linux?
Most people don't. I don't know why he would being a professor in the humanities that doesn't seem THAT technologically inclined.
I entirely feel for the loss of the typewriters, CD players, phones etc that weren't all bundled up into one internet device that's connected to the cloud and insists that everything you have be on the cloud (where a tech giant has control of).
Previously, there was more emphasis on a machine being more mechanical, static and like he says more easy to figure out entirely.
Additionally, there was also more of an emphasis on keeping media on physical form (tapes, DVDs, flash etc) where it's under your control and not under the whims of Netflix or Amazon.
The worst thing is there might not be going back to the old world of static machines as they cost more to produce now because no one demands them.
Maybe in the future there will be a pushback and a new appreciation of having seperate devices that aren't internet enabled, but we should see.
Weirdly enough, vinyl records started selling in a boom lately. You just have to become a retro-tech hipster, haha.
@@johnjones8850 see that's the problem. You have to be a hipster and hold onto increasingly old tech in order to maintain this bubble, which really is a bubble that isolates you.
@@johnjones8850similar trend; the boom of analog photography the comeback of older cameras and film
Would like to know what he thinks about Dieter Rams.
Heh, did you think that 'clickbait' title (with Capslock-ed word and everything) and the shaky handheld smartphone footage from the streets, strong wording, judgment, opinions, interview format, sound design, editing, the whole package... Did you really think that we, your audience, will 'miss' all these clues that this video is nothing but a 'Profilicity' experimental demonstration (even if it is 'Authentic')? I guess you were right, sadly. Judging from the top comments most viewers completely missed it all. They only heard exactly and only one thing they wanted to hear... "Yeah, I hate Apple too, bad, evil big corp! Whoa prof, we so alike."
Well, at least some of us 'got it' (or am I also just being foolish).
Can you make a video on the division between continental and analytic divide in philosophy?
New title: Philosopher’s Homemade Apple Crumble Recipe
I can't tell if this is like some exaggerated attempt at trying to manipulate the algorithm lol
Seems like this video was more Fai's thing than the professors.
I'm not extremely familiar with the channel, but these sentiments towards Apple are pretty common among people. Even if you stay away from philosophy or branding, just their anti-repair tactics, and especially in the United States, the way people kids in particular on Android phones are judged as being poor because they have the wrong color bubbles. ( Even though the highest end Android phones, the highest price points are more expensive than Apple phones.)
I really enjoyed this format and this video touched me on the level of art
I borrowed a book from the library on my eReader and with 10% left to finish the book, my loan ended and the book was taken off my device. Now I can't get it back for 4 weeks. If I'd just borrowed the actual book, I could have returned it when I was finished, but somehow I have less control over data that is infinitely replicable.
(I realise this is a bit tangential but DRM makes me very angry, and Apple is one of the worst offenders.)
He's right - it's the whole reason this coof thing was delivered via iphone - if the phone tells you to do something, MANY ppl do it without question. It's called a 'smart'phone for a reason
this is SO out of character that i can't stop watching haha
I am actually in the middle of Heidegger’s essay on technology and it would be really sick to hear your thoughts on it?
6:18 cracked me up lol, excellent profile building
"...not cool at all...I find it ugly!" I love this guy.
I want to have a long beer consuming session with this man
Professor Moeller, I can recommend you to look into the free software movement. It is centered specifically around the freedom of the users of software, and their ability to collectively control what the software does. Here is described what this means precicely:
(link removed because otherwise youtube deletes my comment.
The article is "What is free software?" by the GNU project.)
Of special relevance to your feelings would be freedom 0:
- The freedom to run the program as you wish, for any purpose
This includes the freedom *not* to run the program. The philosophy of this movement is what birthed the GNU/Linux operating system. I think this movement helps put words on much of what is so gross with the modern tech industry. More people need to be made aware of these issues.
Also, there is a talk by Stallman, the founder of the movement, named "Free Software, Free Society". Listen to that, it is very illuminating and aimed at regular people. It's about 15 minutes.
As a person who works inside this bubble - cloud computing and huge data clusters, what I hate the most is on the one side the "infinite" entertainment - you buy a game and its just made so that you can never finish it, the moment you are close to it, as you said, they update it, or they have a daily quest routine, whatever the fuck it is, but you never get close to being done with it, that makes me nuts. And on the other hand, is the fact that you spend resources to buy something, a software, and you really enjoy the version you brought. It does exactly what you want it to, and then because the software is actually a network, it relies on other people and its also a marketplace, they decide to restrict you from using the old version and force an update. Even if you don't enjoy the new version, you have paid for it. Ownership as the "right to access" is probably one of the most fucked up ideas out there.
Well said!
Very humorous, I love it!
This is the reason why I like this channel
Can I borrow that copy of Blame! Vol1?
As others have pointed out: It would be interesting to hear the professors perspectives on the philosophy of free/libre software, and perhaps also the shortcomings of free/libre software. (See the article "Freedom Isn't Free" by Wendy Liu)
freedom aint not free - Eric Andre
Careful there, so we don't see title: "Philosopher crushed by Apple"
I've had to use a CPAP machine since 1998. Now, the machine is controlled over a weak cell phone signal by the medical equipment leasing company at the behest of the insurance company.
Apple is the biggest secular religion around. I remember when it became clear that everyone had to leave the Commodore Amiga scene behind. There was a choice between Apple, Linux and Windows. I think many chose Windows, the great enemy, just because it seemed like the least ideologically loaded and most pragmatic choice. This was probably also in one of the least "cool" eras of Apple when the Mac wasn't so new, and they had not started releasing all their new "i" products.
The science fiction of Philip K Dick predicted a sort of angst about technology becoming pervasive with his classic novel Ubik (1969). He used the gnostic concept of pleroma (fullness) to try to communicate how marketing and technology was approaching a point where it was everywhere and always promising to fill some need. He exactly used the example of a door to a home which refused to open until some small payment was made. But then he goes on to imagine another so called "exponentially worse" increase in pervasiveness where all reality becomes some sort of technologically facilitated nightmare hallucination. A much more mature vision than the childish "metaverse" of Snow Crash.
I'm confused, what is happening in this video? Is it a joke, a provocation or something I have missing?
There is this general dismissiveness by young people about older folks being frustrated by tech, but this video made me realise how legitimate their concerns can be. What's especially striking to me is that the meaning of the word "smart" is remarkably vague and undefined, but when you use a Marxist framework it suddenly materialises into something concrete like: A technological commodity with the goal of creating a structure that forces the user to engage with it.
I was hoping to see someone taking a sledge hammer to the apple corporate headquarters but I guess in it's absence this is pretty nice too.
Professor, you should be a model of samsung ad saying: "It's better than apple because it's not cool. actually it's shitty that i can't use a common bank app"
Lol this is like when Apple sued Samsung and the judge said that Samsung tablets didn't infringe apple's designs because Samsung's tablets were "not as cool".
The legal shade of it all.
Start a new segment and call it "what grinds my gears"
DJ Premier has a series on tracks of his with floppy disks back at the time. I know it's not related, just wondered how such a fantastic crossover could come to life.
Couldn't agree more. As always.
for a minute I thought I was watching a computerphile video!
I also am so angry about the control issue. Same with autos. I used to be able to fix my own stuff, cars. I'm not a mechanic, but there were manuals and parts were not "proprietary computer technology", so I could do it. One could even borrow tools if missing from the collection.
Part of this is the Tremendous waste, and degradation of humans, animals, and environment for these wondrous machines. I don't think it an age thing, unless by age we mean not being indoctrinated into the built in obsolescence acceptance mode. It maybe because I come from people who lived through being on low ends of some real shite times and that was passed down, not only verbally, through stories, but through biochemical means.
I don't like not being able to fix something. I don't like not knowing about a thing without having to learn the entire technological aspect range of the product. I especially dislike the negative identity traits assigned to me that I have for my disdain of this reality.
I especially dislike that my kid's other parent and fam gave these things to my kid while my kid was staying there for a season, getting them good and hooked, then having to rely to an certain extant upon them right afterwards due to the worldwide health issue.
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I was really expecting the thumbnail to be him with a jackhammer destroying an apple🔨 lmao
@@wayneirving1475 I was expecting him swinging an absolute hog of Willy straight smack bang into the apple building and there’s a speech bubble above him that says “uhhh that’s gonna leave a mark!”
Why am I getting "old man yells at cloud" vibes?
I understand his points, I agree with him 100%, I'm not in any social networks but still I'm addicted to TH-cam . We're in this together, let us all yell at cloud...
I guess cloud computing now.
Watching this video and reading the comments feels like one big mindfuck. Thanks for the reminder of how profiles shape my expectations and how easy it is to make me uncertain of my judgements!
Amen, sir. 🙏🏻
This video seems like a great example of performance art. Valid points emphasized by fake outrage. The exemplification of profilicity in the modern age. 🖼
I don't think the outrage was fake. It was real.That's why he made the point of how he shouldn't get angry as a person with Daoist background. In the end even the greatest among us are only Human all too Human.
The morphing of consumer choice into consumer dependency. Your observation on being subdued by technology really struck me, we should all consider the consequences of this
I thought I was the only one who was repulsed by the atmosphere of Apple stores.
I feel like this entire argument, you could swap out Apple with cigarettes or alcohol or sugary drinks and the reasoning would still hold, but people would get more defensive about the latter options
Professor, please watch Serial Experiments Lain!