Do you think March is This games Elysia or "Cyrene"? Mem being part of March? Do you think march is connected with the rememberance aeon more directly? Or something else entirely? Very interesting place we find ourselves in right now!
The herrscher of origin, or herrscher of human, allowed for the next 'cycle'/era of humanity to beat the corruption by sacrificing herself and her conciousness. March reminded me a lot of a fusion of Kiana (herrscher of Finality) and Elsyia tbh. Like Kiana was the catalyst thanks to elysia that allowed for humanity to prevail. If March is cyrene then it would follow like this: March gave up her form to be Cyrene and likely was a unique memo keeper that gave her permission to 'guide' the 12 heroes on their journey and record it in her book. Then the black tide came, most likely similar to a memetic virus like we saw in penacony as it can corrupt people's minds/make them crazy and would be like the herscher of corruption. Most likely the core flames are equivlant to stellerons and they can only be obtained by 'destroying' the titans. When 12 are collected in the pool of gensis it's possible that a new Aeon will be born, the world will be made 'real and brought into reality or it will create a new world tree (if this is true it may help solve the problem of finality or how to 'reset' the universe/create a new one). It would also explain how destruction is needed much like how a fire will help a forest renew it's trees with the heat, that the stellerons from the destruction are actually fragments of the world tree (theory I saw online) and creating a new seed will allow for the next world after finality to be created (which makes sense as Rememberance is tasked with gathering precious memories to replenish the new universe). Finality in Hi3rd reset the world over and over again until the 'right' world was able to overcome it. It's possible that at the end, finality resets this world and it's actually finality as the third aeon not mythus. If finality is not 'created yet' on top of the fact that no known world has been gazed by finality, or lived to tell the tale besides probably kiana's world, it is 'unknown' that it is interfering with this world. Or the reset only happens when the black tide 'wins' and then it's reset, so maybe the third aeon is mythus and is trying to change things so finality can be beaten. So it's it's possible that Law (Finality which has domain over everything, space/time), Time (rememberance) and space (Erudition/knowledge? or swap finality with erudition and space is mythus) came together to do several things. 1) Lock it in a time loop outside of space, 2) create the titans to regulate this world (much like the simulated universe's aeons also regulate it), 3) create a barrier to prevent the black tide from leaving and 4) send March 7ths, or cyrene's original body without it's memories into space (because perhaps she got corrupted and her memories would also be, so sealing them means sealing the darkness) and send out for help or hope for her to figure out how to stop the black tide. It's possible march is being sealed/frozen again after mem awoken because they will be able to save or revive cyrene which would lock march in the ice again as she would need to give up her mortal body to harness her memo keeper powers. It would also explain how when March got more frozen, mem, a manifestation of cyrene, was able to talk in full sentences.
I just realized something, black swan turned the expresses windows into the remembrances mirrors since you can only see amphoreus through remembrances mirrors
I wonder if it could be someone that March 7th took picture of in past and its remenance is still inside camera. Because when you think about it....March's camera did make weights go down in puzzle so it could be anything that's in her camera that counts as weighting more than a world of Amphoreus itself. At least that's what I'm thinking.
i dont think that march will be fuli as it said that he was the father of amphoreus but i do think that cyrene, mem and march are all the same person and that the reason that she got ill was to prevent her seeing herself and crating a paradox my other theory that can exist at the same time is that march is amphoreus itself and her in the ice is the only part of amphoreus accessible from the normal outside world and she has now gone back into the ice now that she is back there as the prophecy that they go through at the genesis refrences a mother of titans which (with her being the mother based on the time titans response to her camera) could link to gaia from greek mythology who is the earth
father could just be the aeon and mother march 7th who that person was like how arlecchino goes by "father" but thats just a title, agree with mem true
Yeah I agree it seems the most likely regardless its almost 100% Mem and march are connected but I cant help but feel like March is this games Elysia aka Cyrene
I want to point out that I don't think the ice is avoiding her from going to amphoreus which many people think because if you choose to leave amphoreus you get a little text wich says that even after warping away from amphoreus her status gets worse. This still doesn't mean I think it has nothing to do with amphoreus it is just a more complex reason
I think mem is cyrene and march is cyrenes abandoned body. Cyrene sacrificed her body and became the most powerful memokeeper so she can keep her dying world alive. I think Cyrene is singlehandedly keeping this world "alive".
could it be that the 3 paths on Amphoerous are Remembrance, Mythos and Finality? Since Herta told us that if Erudition was involved, she would know, but she had no idea… also Black Swan is really sus in the story so it isn’t really that impossible that she lied to us
Herta does know about Amphoreus. She told Himeko everything she knew about it before they set off. That's why she was confused and annoyed that the AE came back to ask about it.
@@blackmark2899 yeah but I think she said that she doesn’t know anything about it being under Erudition and that her as an Emanator of Erudition would know if Amphoreous was one of the worlds under Nous
I think the third path could be destruction imo because there looks to be a chess master in the first amphoreus trailer controlling things which is said to be an emanator of destruction that is very slow in destroying a planet yet has a high chance of destroying it due to the emanator’s strategies
Isn't the last one is Aha, since Sparkle mentioned Amphoreus during the Cosmo odyssey event ? Since fools are known of Amphoreus it's highly possible that Elation is the third one.
Maybe march is a memokeeper, but she did or discovered something bad and the garden resorted to block her memories, put her in ice and sent her into space, and maybe that's another reason why she likes to take photos, like a subconscious memory of collecting memories Edit: other thing that came to my mind, related to amphoreus obvious lean in greek mythology, march could've been someone like pandora, opened something she shouldn't have (pandora's box), and that released the black tide, with possibly the titans banishing her
Hm the memo keeper in FuXuan story quest said that they restricted her access to her past memories to protect her, so it is possible that she was corrupted by the black tide so it doesn’t consume her mind. Sth like a forbidden knowledge corrupting rukkadevata in Genshin.
I can definitely see March being a Memokeeper who's important to Amphoreous. I don't think she's gonna be Cyrene or anything but definitely important for Oyronyx due to their pleas for a Mother
Hey I forgot something, So I'm commenting now. There's an alternate ending when Aglaea is done interrogating us, we tell Phainon that we are leaving we can't work with the chrysos heirs if they don't trust us fully. After that black screen with text comes up, in that text it reads that Black Swan left the express without telling anyone(it makes her more sus after the scene with The Herta and that memosnatcher) and then credits roll, in the credits Phainon's name is in ??? symbols Just like Acheron and March on the credits of penacony quest. I still hope you read this comment even it was late.
all i know is they gave me like 30 seconds of Elysia's voice and then hit me with the "To be Continued" i waited so long for that and thats all they gave me i literally said "no way thats all their gonna give me" Elysia was an is my faovurite character so just the idea of her being in the game fills me with excitement in general and i want to learn more what role she will play and who or what she actually is
I still remember how suspicious Ely was in the begging, but hot damn, by the end of the Flame-chasers journey I loved Elysia alongside the rest of them. I still remember how many people complained about the ER story when it dropped, but then said it was one of their favorite arks by the time it concluded.
I think we took for granted the idea of 3 Aeons fighting for Amphoreus. Like there are parallels to all Aeons in the titans: beauty- Idrilla, strife - Nanook/destruction, death- Nihility/Ix because the people that worship the titan of death are saying that death is a gift and a generally good thing to happen, Mythius/enigmata with all the don't search beyond the sky stuff, Lan/The Hunt because the flame chase journey at its core is a hunting of gods, Erudition with the reason titan and many more. Like you can't tell me that in the HSR universe there isn't a place in the whole thing where all Aeons are present, especially a place like Amphoreus hidden even from emanators. And also the whole saga of Amphoreus is so vast, from (3.0 to 3.7) like there is so much time to explore the influence of all Aeons on the planet. And also I think that it is hidden by the remembrance and enigmata to not attract forces like powerfull pathstriders or even emanators to not risk a full scale war that probably will be the demise of the universe. I may be reaching a lot and it is early to speculate, but hey, that's what we are here for I guess.
In Okema, there was a note that talks about the true nature of the Titians. This note talked about how the Titians are actually mechanical constructs created by a machine god. That makes me wonder, is march 7th connected to the machine god?
One thing to note is oronyx says something when we see Fuli. She calls him the sky father. The sky titan is the largest titan and when their eyes are open it is light, also the sky titan obliterated a city trying to leave. The sky titan also is beyond the sky. Fuli is the sky titan? When its day Fuli is watching(remembering) amphoreus? Either way Fuli is referred to by oronyx as sky father and march is refered as mother. With the above is march the gaia of this world? She then created Fuli(ouranous) and together they gave birth to the titans. Current day amphoreus has the titans being killed by people who become gods which is an exact parallel to greek myth. These themes are feeding each other. If the titans are supposed to be the greek titans then they were created by the sky and earth. We even see kephale in the same role as atlas.
A reason erudition could be involved is their aeon was also created rather than already existing. Furthermore, the creator became the first emanator of their path. If remembrance started similarly with elysia(march) creating fuli and then being transformed in the process.
Consider that the Aeon of remembrance is a crystal statue and Lightcones are crystallized memories then it’s safe to assume that Fuli is like the universe’s lightcone? Maybe March was Amphoreus’s lightcone? That was chipped off of Fuli somehow and the memory was “misremembered” into/as March 7th? So Fuli put Amphoreus into a loop until said memory was “remembered” and now that she’s back she’s literally becoming a human lightcone? lol
If Mythos could be the third aeon, it could mean that there could be more than 3 aeon on Amphoreus since Mythos could relay/mention there are three known but there could be more than 3 aeons like finality and destruction having ties to the place.
The 3 aeons are for sure Remembrance Erudition and Finality. In HSR, Finality is also the origin of worlds. As both Fuli and Terminus recreate the universe after its destruction, them working together would be logical. Erudition joining out of curiosity (regarding something) would make sense, too. What is interesting for me is that Elysia's name here is Cyrene. The mother of many gods. She gave birth to Apollo's children, for example. Apollo was the god of many things, but more notably he was the god of distance and the teller of future (through prophets). One of his affiliate was Helios. Helios is the Sun and one of their derivative names is ELIO (I'm sure no one made that connection before, lol). So Terminus could be Apollo. And Cyrene is the mother of his children (the Mother Oronyx refered to). Elysia is also a name derivative of the goddess of childbirth in Crete (Eileithyia). So Cyrene being Mommy makes 150% sense! Now, here, Fuli is daddy-o but if they don't go that strictly by the interpretation (and Hoyo never does), Cyrene could be the Amphoreus representation of Terminus (who doesn't have to be a dude). And so, Terminus and Fuli could be the creators of the Titans (and everything in Amphoreus). As for March, she will be the heir of the Time coreflame, so I would think, she is Phainon's sister. The one he thinks to be dead. Which is the obstacle of his focus on the mission as Chrysos Heir. As we see Cyrene talking to lil'phainon about his destiny and how he would or would not follow it... And how Cyrene seems to suggest with her words that she sees the future, her being Terminus's representative (or descended form) would make sense. And this could mean that they try to see how Phainon's character/decision/fate is affected by his sister being dead or alive... Which could be one reason why March is a Chrysos Heir but is taken out of context... So to speak... Something along the line of this... Sure, many of the Aeons think destiny is a fixed thing, but Amphoreus is clearly a playground simulation of the Aeons... Apollo also was the god who gave trial for sinned humans - and a chance to be cleansed. Maybe we will see how Terminus recreates the universe after its destruction - which needs as in atonement and cleanse process by avoiding the biggest sins committed before.
What if Phainon doesn’t end up being a permanent villain (might have a brief turn to the dark side but not permanent)? If the Astral Express wasn’t around to help with Nikador, then to get to Oronyx Phainon would have had to have done something drastic that Castorice didn’t want to happen, and then they would have had to try to take Oronyx’s coreflame (likely in combat) and have likely Castorice try to master it all in order to be able to go back to the past. If they are lucky, they would not need the memory fragments (which they might not even know they need if they master the coreflame although they probably would know it) and all that is in order to achieve the same outcome but with many consequences and uncertainties. Would Castorice or Phainon even be able to master Oronyx’s coreflame? I don’t think so. We don’t even know what Phainon would have done to balance the scales but it would have had consequences most likely. The prophecy (which might not be what it seems as seeds of doubt have been planted both in pieces of text and in the 3.0 livestream), would have likely led them to victory without the astral express but circumstances would have been very different. I think Phainon would have become the villain in that case. Yet the Express has been instrumental in saving all the worlds we have been to so far even when there are other powerful fighters there. I think Amphoreus would have had a similar fate to HI3 previous era Earth and then the loop would happen (assuming the theory is true) and we got to the next 50 000 year cycle, which culminated in HI3 current era, as that cycle of 50 000 years and then reset happened many times. Yet like how the current era had help from the previous era (people travelling through time, Prometheus, as well as Elysia making it so Herrschers with their humanity can exist), Amphoreus has help from outsiders as well: the Astral Express. I think humanity’s fate as well as Phainon’s will be much better this time around. And I think this will be the last loop and that we will have many survivors (although some playable characters might die) and the humans will finally claim victory and live on like the HI3 current era.
I think the Aeon of Remembrance is behind March’s memories being taken and she’s reacting to being near it. Fuli looks icy, and the icon in Swarm for Remembrance is what looks like an ice hypostasis. We know so far that her memories were supposedly removed to protect her from pain. Her past is dark and full of pain. But Fuli thinks everything should be remembered. So maybe an emanator of remembrance took pity on her. I think March likely is from Amphoreus. Beyond that there are too many possibilities.
1-At the start of 3.0 they talk about what the third path could be (Permanence, Enigmata, Equilibrium) them doing this mean non of them is the third path. 2- the third path properly is the Finality (Terminus) "The Aeon that moves backward in time and presides over the Path of Finality. An apparition that travels across the universe while murmuring a prophecy that is destined to be fulfilled." The most important thing about Amphoreus is the prophecy. 3- Finality doesn't have path but every path will end in the Finality when you look at The Titans every on of them is a mirror to an Aeon / Path Erudition=Cerces Remembrance=Oronyx ( advice you to read Readables called" The World in Oronyx's Eyes") Elation = Zagreus Beauty = Mnestia Nihility = Thanatos ( Castorice is the daughter of River Styx which is one of the rivers of the underworld like Acheron )
i do find this interesting because there are more aeons then titans, even if you exclude the trailblaze, the finality, and the order since it fused with with harmony. i wonder which aeons don't have a titan counterpart.
I think there might be a thirteenth god that we don't know about and march could be the chrysos heir to that thirteenth god or even the god themself. I also think that she could be an emanator of Idrilla. And my final theory is that the 12 titans are each three sets of Emanators for four Aeons, with Ena the Order being the fourth that is no longer fighting for control of amphoreus.
had group chat with friends and we all came to the theory of her being a thirteenth god as plausible. Would be too obvious with what shown so far but would be awesome if she was. The thing we want to know is why she was sealed away
My personal theory is that the original world of Amphoreus was destroyed save for one person who escaped the planet's destruction. That person was Cyrene who gave up the entirety of her memories to Fuli to preserve her world. Fuli recreated Amphoreus in the memory zone with help from Mythos so they could keep its location secret/help its rebirth since hiding and obscuring the past fits into Mythos' MO. Cyrene (who may or may not have ice or six phased ice related powers we will have to see) having lost everything that made her her was sealed in six phased ice to preserve her body. Which results in Cyrene becoming March and Mem(who is inside the recreated Amphoreus) a la Focalors/Furina or Seele/Veliona in HI3. And I think in the end Amphoreus will be recreated in the material world and Cyrene's og body will be recreated as March at this point wouldn't want to become Cyrene again and give up her current life/friends.
My theory is March was sent out by the titans for her to survive because they know that they will be eliminated by the 12 flame-chasers because of vengeance. Having March survive their mother might allow the survival of the memory and the fate of the Titans. And her having a reaction meaning she was not meant to go back.
I dont have anything else to bakc this up but: i think march 7th is what amphoreus lost before becoming a time-loop world. The moment March steps inside Amphoreus is gonna be the moment it'll materialize its celestial body.
Since Amphoreus looks like infinity and according to theory Amphoreus is just repeatedly iterating the events until something goes right, I'm more inclined to think that Amphoreus is stuck in a Mobius loop. Look at the shape of the planet itself, its literally a mobius loop!
@@Nyx_TheGodess my bad, while I was writing it I knew it's the shiny star that's the planet and an 'unknown' material surrounds the planet, about which even Black Swan didn't know. I just got so excited with the mobius loop thingy that while I was writing I ended up eating some words and it came out like that. I was talking about the 'unknown' material that is supposedly the 'fate(?)' of the planet that's been responsible for the events in Amphoreus to iterate n number of times. Obviously its just some theory on my part considering 3.0 is just the beginning.
Thought 1: March probably isn't Fuli. When it appears, Oronyx refers to it as "sky father" rather than mother as well. I find it hard to reconcile mother and father being the same being. Thought 2: considering the trailer, where trailblazer blows up castrum kremnos into memoria and then a certain someone pops out as if to guide or protect them, and the similar pinks, what do you think about Meme being Elysia?
Also when you summon meme they pop out of nowhere and move to hug you from left to right. The Elysia expy pops out of nowhere and hugs the TB from behind, moving from left to right in the trailer as well. I'll put my tinfoil hat down now 😂
crack theory: the "moment of genesis" they are talking about is the point at which amphoreus repeats itself. amphoreus is shaped like a mobius strip, and if you draw a line on it parallel to the sides, you will eventually return to the starting point. idk why it would be called "moment of genesis" otherwise
Weirdly, it's not just an infinity symbol but also a mobius strip, which is interesting. Anyways, I suspect it will be a few patches before we get any significant answers about March 7th. I've come around on the possibility that March is Elysia/Cyrene, however.
Honestly i think shes cyrene. Cyrene is an elysia expy, elysia also covers herself in a crystal. And after acheron being revealed to be raiden mei it pretty much makes sense this could also happen to march 7th
I’m curious about Castorice and how she’s able to hug us in the trailer, going back to March i think she’s some sort of “solution” to Amphoreus. Also Black Swan is the one staying with her alone? Bit sus for me.
she was born with her half missing cuz of thanatos and maybe when she gets that back she can control her powers? or it is just a bait scene for us to pull her. also black swan was always sus
I kinda thinking march is an emanator of remembrance cause of the crystal thing i mean if she really an aeon then it would be the astral express too overpowered which i don’t think hsr gonna do that part this early
Whoa what if phainon ascends to aeon hood becoming the Finality and black Swan was just tasked to find out how he was Born so that the rememberence could defeat them or prevent him from ascending
17:21 They do say that not all the core flames have to be collected with the titan's death. Maybe she was the titan of Romance that Aglea took the core flame for?
Glad to see a full video on this, considering my comment in the last video were all of these same theories - though certainly I will not take credit as I feel some of these have been floating around for way longer then my comment from 4 days ago. Also like that the Idrila theory make the video too, as that was also going around in the comments before I posted my theories. I do feel that March 7th is going to be the focus of the entire Amphoreus storyline though, and it's going to be very interesting once THE Herta gets involved on what is going to happen. Because if the loop is that everything that happened to Elysia, Kevin and them in Hi3rd is what is supposed to happen, what happens when a Emanator of Erudition starts sniffing around and isn't told by her own Aeon what is going on. I don't see Sunday going down to Amphoreus, but I could definitely see Welt and THE Herta go with a encased March 7th into Amphoreus to get answers - and it would be interesting to see Welt's reactions to how things are going and if he immediately picks up the parallels with Kevin & Phainon. Hoyo is definitely cooking with this storyline - though from a gameplay standpoint - I wish they were cut down on the amount of black screen text + voiceover they give us and actually show us by drawing or animation what is actually happening.
A few things that were actually explained in game. 1. The infinity symbol in space is not Amphoreus. That is the chaotic mass, as Black Swan called it, that prevented almost all methods of detecting planets from detecting it. 2. We are not time traveling or affecting the past. Tribbie explained how it works and the short version is that the power of Remembrance is using the memories of people and place itself to make an interactive copy to call forth. What they call a Miracle. And on a personal note, I don't believe Amphoreus is a memory or is even in a time loop. It's in a cycle of golden age to black tide and then resets.
Just to expound - I believe that Amphoreus, within itself, is in a time loop. From the outside though, time is going naturally - so essentially Amphoreus is reenacting the same events over and over for possibly Eternity in a effort to prevent something (like, the Birth of the Aeon of Finality that would spell the end of the Universe.) Basically, a much larger, much more real version of Herta's Simulated Universe.
My crack pot theory. March is the daughter of Cyrene and Phainon. I base this on her colour palette as a combination of both Cyrene and Phainon. I also think that Mother is actually Cyrene and the camera is a gift given to March by her.
This crack theory actually been around since early Hsr but rather than March being Cyrene and Phainon’s daughter, it’s Kevin + Elysia = March instead. It’s used to be a joke theory as March color palate matched them (pink + blue) also her ice and crystal power (Elysia’s crystals and Kevin’s ice power (though he also use fire)) It’s funny af if the devs picked up the joke and just using it just to slap the players with the most tragic story ever
At first I thought they gave us the March 7th skin because the fans demanded it. But it was definitely planned. That may be also why it can only be worn with the Preservation path and not the The Hunt
For some reason I think that this case will be different. I'm not sure there is a complete connection between March and Cyrene. There is of course a connection between Mem and Cyrene (almost same voice, lol). Eventually, both pink-haired characters were shown separately from each other. But in the Amphoreus trailer, we also saw three hidden characters. The silhouette of one of these characters looks very similar to March 7th. However, this character is on a dark red (looks like Black Tide) background and has taken a rather threatening pose. If there is a connection, then surely March 7th was divided into good Cyrene and an unknown evil character. Or vice versa. Cyrene, after her disappearance, split into good March 7th (who is now a Mem) and an unknown evil character (I guess she represents the Black Tide itself).
If you pick Male MC she still says Mother (not Father) so she clearly doesn't mean You or Mem. I thought maybe she meant Fuli but Fuli didn't gaze at us till after.
9:03 did she d1e here tho? All covered in golden blood... Or clearly was severely wounded, maybe that's why she had to leave, assume another form (Mem) or be surrounded by 6th fase ice...
Mem might also be Cyrene because if you use rem. Trailblazer there are texts/inscriptions similar to the one on Cyrene's sleeves. Also correct me if I'm wrong but this is the first time I heard Kevin being referred to as the Herrscher of Finality- I think he only has Authority over it and Kiana is the Herrscher of Finality. Also I'm not sure about the 3 Aeons working together because the Egnimata description said "To prevent the certainty that Erudition brought about from destroying the possibilities championed by Mythus," So I think Mythus is only there to mess around with the possibilities of the world and trying to prove Nous wrong.
March is not the mother, the mother in question is the Aon and march is connected to the path of the Aon to a large enough degree that it triggers something. However! The real place she sees mother is within the trailblazers memory's as we have likely come into contact with them before. I think March and her camera as a medium prompted her to see a little of her "mothers" path and when she searched deeper for their "mother" they found something in the memory of the trailblazer.
Big Yapfest warning: I highly doubt it's Terminus of the Finality for the simple fact that everything that's happening on Amphoreus has already happened and Terminus was born far into the future. If March really is tied to this world and came from this world, she wouldn't have been apart of the Express. The Astral Express meeting her before the start of the story means that Amphoreus was already destroyed or put into that loop before that point. The only thing I can think of that could tie Amphoreus to Terminus and Remembrance with some evidence is the ability we gained to go back to the past. If with the Remembrance we can go back to the Past and Terminus' whole stick is traveling backwards from the future to the past, then everything that is happening on Amphoreus is something that happens in the far future and when March ascended to Fuli, THEY abandoned THEIR body and brought it back with THEM to the past incased in ice. This could explain how the Astral Express crew found March before us ever going near Amphoreus and how no-one knows about Amphoreus yet because none of this has happened yet. This could also explain why Akivili never once set foot on it. I still think this is a stretch because Black Swan said that this is a memory of a past world and from everything we have seen, I'm leaning more on this being like a simulation of sorts given how the spirits look like digital emotes and the corruption looks like red data. I think the third Path is definitely Mythus due to how convoluted and shrouded in mystery everything is. The fact that no-one knows about the happenings of the outside universe and the existence of Aeons outside of the Titans kinda spells Mythus to me. The biggest thing I hope is that this world isn't some Simulated Universe recreation made by Fuli and Nous after it's destruction. That would be the biggest let down for me.
Just to poke around - I think with the theory of Amphoreus being the Birthplace of the Aeon of Finality is absolutely possible. It's possible that this could be a instance where because of the actions of the Astral Express, it fixes a possible breakdown of the relooping structure of Amphoreus which might've gotten broken if March 7th is NOT Fuli's old body but is Cylene. It's predicted that the birth of Terminus is not supposed to happen at this time, which means that very likely - the Astral Express going to Amphoreus and fixing things is going to give the Universe many more Eons compared to if they didn't come, Terminus would be born and the Universe would come to a end not long after. Also, remember that technically, the Miracles worked using Oronyx's power is actually not going back in time, but using the power of Memories to remember the Past and pull them to the Present. I don't think such a thing is possible unless the entire world is Simulated. You're gonna hate this, but I really think that this world is a Simulated World recreation of what happened to the actual Amphoreus right before it's destruction, run in loop right at the Start of it's destruction and reset right back to the beginning of the end again (possibly starting with Nikador's encounter with the Black Tide) and looped over and over.
I always assumed the mother thing was the stellaron assuming these guys are all portions of a stellaron seeing someone who has taken nanooks gaze and also bears a stellaron it makes sense that theyd see ys
Do you think Hoyo deviated at all for the end of 3.x to fit in a connection with Fate and that universe's system of Akasha? Or will it just be lost trailblazers visiting...
Am I crazy or does Cyrene's English voice sometimes sounds like March?, the cadence are similar. Who's Cyrene's english VA exactly?, now I'm curious. And the fact that March scene came after Cyrene & Phainon flashback only pushed my suspicion further. I feel like March is connected to Cyrene in some way, or maybe she is Cyrene...
March is doppelganger of cyrene, much like caelus/stelle is the doppelganger of Phainon. It was mentioned in the 3.0 story quest several times. Even on the very first meeting, caelus calls phainon, "My long lost Brother ". March isn’t connected to Amphoreus at all. But the story of amphoreus is a hard foreshadow of whats to come in the real story of star rail! As for why march is freezing that's the traiblazer's fault😆 Fuli peeked through the express's window to bless them with remembrance path. Even in MC's mind, coming in contact with Fuli is causing march to freeze. Maybe she'll remember something important about her past after she wakes up from this icy slumber!
My theory is that march 7th is the emanator of remembrance and she got removed from amphoreus due to her power and got trap in ice and erasing her memories.
So its not just me think mem looks like march. My idea is march is the wife fuli and she left him😂 when the titan said mother when caelus was using the camera that moment i had this funny idea
Personally I think she is either emmanator or Aeon, she is very important that´s for sure the icon of Honkai Star Rail is her so I´m gonna bet high and say she is an Aeon
At some point near the end of the story castorice said she was deprived of her other half or something. Could it also be possible that march is her other half?
@vietcuongnguyenle8530 she has the original power of preservation, which is technically in the middle of life and death, keeping something/someone alive, rather than directly creating/destroying them per se.
@humzapaul7698 protecting is not between life and death It only is prevent dmg to something Between life and death must to be some thing directly affected living being cause some change to their physical state
While march is obviously connect to amphorious, I also think kafka is important to. She has the same eyes as aglaea, her outfit and art show webs like aglaeas golden thread. Kafka said she was a knight of beauty, but maybe its more like she was connected to the titan of beauty.
Also, isn't it kinda funny that the Outfits from March and Cyrene look so similar? Just look at the shoulder part (close stretch, i think i am just coping bcs i love March and want to know more ;-;)
I wanna point out since amphoreus Released, there’s been common theme around the characters which is “incomplete” but literally Nilkador and his Five Divinities Tribble Trinnon Trianne Castorice and her “half” that was taken way from her since birth well I believe is similar with Cyrene Mem and March 7th but is with time(and I say this because of the fate Titans and how there’s always 3 Titans for specific things) March 7th= “Past of the forgotten/Frozen past” Mem= “Gift of the Present”(totally didn’t stole that from oogway in kung fu panda) Cyrene= “Future of the dead/Mystery of the Future” let me brainstorm rq, Cyrene March and Mem were once one Named “Myrene”(I pulled up name generator combined their name and chose Myrene to call their complete form) and later on created(or gave birth and fuli was the father) to the 12 Titans, Eventually Myrene was betrayed or Sinned or whatever and got punished and in result was broken into 3 Barely surviving “Shards” Aka Cyrene,Mem,March and these shards can’t meet each other no Matter what, cuz Paradox and they need some strange ritual or someone to be formed Together Or There’s possible way to get Back to Their original form as Myrene
I am calling it that we might get a 5 star March at the end of the Amphoreus Saga but probably the heroes in this saga while fighting the black tide might die too as a result. Coz it would be too good of an end if all heroes and Amphoreus itself along with March regaining not just her memories but also her true form to continue living and breathing. Not to mention the Aeons themselves r probably watching all this go down so there will be much more turmoil and "heartwarming" tales to come.
Titans look like mechanical giants to me, or just mecha. It reminds me of the giant Mecha left in Jarilo VI. These giant Mecha were constructs from an earlier mecha or robot empire, either by the Ruperts or by Nous itself, the Aeon of Erudition. Hence the interest of Herta on Amphoreus. The Mecha were intended for terraforming, hence their association for the creation of the planet, and later to harvest planetary resources and maintain civilization. Overtime, they fell into disrepair but the natives worship them as gods. Nous is also associated with the manipulation of time and the ability to forecast and divine, like the divination society in the Luofu. There's also the constant theme about gods and heroes of the planet myths who turn out to be alien travelers to the planet, like we see in Penacony. Why Amorphous has humans, language and similar tech, that's dripfed information that the planet was once connected to the rest of the universe. Once you establish this connection in the story, it becomes inevitable that this connection will be restored. Now all this explains the Titans and the connection to Erudition. March 7 is obviously connected to the Remembrance. The job of the Remembrance is to collect and preserve memories. Maybe the real question is what exactly is Black Swan trying to do? The third path is probably a negative or a dark path, either Destruction, Nihility but most importantly Finality as Kevin was the Herscherr of Finality. I'm betting on Phairon becoming an Emanator of Destruction or Nihility or Finality. He's the Good Guy turning Bad trope after all. The yap yap in the story are full of drip fed data. One of them is the yearning for the existence of worlds beyond the sky. In the end, Amorphous is going to get its infinity loop cut, the planet returns to normal time and space. Aquila, who guards the planet, will be destroyed, and the Trailblazers return. However this also makes Amorphous vulnerable to the unscrupulous outsiders like the ever present IPC, but that's a future story.
After doing the quest, i am now very skeptical about the time loop theory. Instead, i think Amphoreus is a world isolated from the rest of the univers by Fuli and Nous, to make an experiment about things like : what append to the univers when the gods die, how the humanity is able to manage it, how to recreate the univers after it and what will append, ... (the 2 theory are not incompatible.)
I thought time titan was referring to mem as mother instead as its sort of implied mem is the Elysia expy we see and time titan simply noticed mem late because mem was following us through march's camera?
If the goal of Fuli was to contain something in Amphoreus, Black swan bringing the Astral express to disturb things don't make sens. unless she betray her Aeon, or betray us by wanting to also imprison us.
I've seen this theory somewhere, but listen, here, herta said she would have knows if nous glazed at amphorias and other things, but what if the reason she can't find anything, is becs the Enigmata, make it look like nous was involved, when it wasn't. So then we have remembrance, enigmata and something.......idk what it's, but I still have a long theory on whybit would be interesting if permanence was one of the paths Oh yea btw, someone also pointed out somewhere that the ice created by mem is the same as march 7th Btw, just noticed trough the game footage from your video,that the ice created by mem has the exact same form, with the one that march 7th is being trapped into right now So, if this is a simulation, shouldn't black swan aleardy know this? Why exactly has she brought us here? Where is she now?
I believe March 7th is the Mother because Oronyx only reacted when Stelle used her camera. Maybe Fuli is doing what Focalars did to herself by dividing their divinity and mortality. Also, doesn’t Nikador, the Titan of Strife, bear a resemblance to Enigmata? It’s already established that the followers of Remembrance, Erudition, and Mythus despise one another. Wouldn’t it be ironic if the three Aeons actually cooperated when it came to Amphoreus?
Then why did the time titan called fuil "sky father" and saying "are you there?, are you seeing this?" in remembrance cutscene. why call march 7th mother and fuil father.
I think March is about to lose her memories again and be reset. Her camera and the pictures being taken by the trailblazer are going to be important but I don't think March will be the same after this
The way everyone is like who’s mother who’s mother BRO PAY ATTENTION the second we use March 7ths camera the titan says mother like if one plus one equals two THEN WHY CANT YALL DCAJW SHAVWISVAJSVSJA
A very good theory ... we won't know till later stages of 3.X but this one is very true why March 7th will turn dark. to see her childeren slaughtered. but I think that is too dark story for HSR. Since most of their Asian Audience (Chinese Japanese and Korean) while drama and death happens, they do not want a bad ending.
How about Amphoreus is currently in the past. MC and Dan Heng are visiting the past. March7th is the future version of Elysia/Mother or future version of Cyrene. She could not be there (yet) or so until Cyrene died sacrificing herself to later become crystallized princess. March7th. Amphhoreus is a dying world. Phainon or Cyrene later on had to sacrifice themself to prevent that by keep the loop goes on. Corruption happen in Amphoreus to keep the loop, a cycle of rebirth (or remembrance) and destruction (or I'll use finality terms here). Phainon presented as noble heroes but with sad past and driven by revenge, I'd say he'll be the finality counterpart. While Cyrene would be rebirth or remembrance. Phainon will be the one who put an end to all titans and Cyrene who will create them again (thus revered as mother). The 3rd Aeon could be Mythus since all it does prevent Erudition to explore. But I think HooH the Equilibrium could be plausible too, to keep the balance of the loop.
If march 7 relate to this planet then it's definitely tge reason why it's in a time lop. Cuz without march the story can't end so it's been repeating ir instead.
If march 7th is fuli and is from amphoreus, a world that had been condemned to be destroyed by nous' predictions... then... wouldn't it make even MORE sense that the ENIGMATA grew from the GARDEN of FULI? Enigmata... that which obfuscates the truth... which their sole existence is to push things in a positive direction from vengeful ideas that nous basically condemned fuli's home planet... it would make... a lot of sense... thats what i think.
i feel -.. maybe phainon is fulli n this amphoreus the whole cyclce of fulis ascension n elsyia n march 7 are past n present n phainon the now fuli having a still care on his former childhood friend elysia separated their consious n like elysia exixt but as mem idk i got a feeling
Agreed. March is probably an Emanator of the Remembrance. Meme’s voice is also March’s I think? I wanted Mydei to bring the core flame. Interesting that he gave it up. Maybe in line with your point Phaenon becoming evil? I wonder if Mydei will deliver another Flame. What do you all think?
Do you think March is This games Elysia or "Cyrene"? Mem being part of March? Do you think march is connected with the rememberance aeon more directly? Or something else entirely? Very interesting place we find ourselves in right now!
The herrscher of origin, or herrscher of human, allowed for the next 'cycle'/era of humanity to beat the corruption by sacrificing herself and her conciousness. March reminded me a lot of a fusion of Kiana (herrscher of Finality) and Elsyia tbh. Like Kiana was the catalyst thanks to elysia that allowed for humanity to prevail.
If March is cyrene then it would follow like this: March gave up her form to be Cyrene and likely was a unique memo keeper that gave her permission to 'guide' the 12 heroes on their journey and record it in her book.
Then the black tide came, most likely similar to a memetic virus like we saw in penacony as it can corrupt people's minds/make them crazy and would be like the herscher of corruption. Most likely the core flames are equivlant to stellerons and they can only be obtained by 'destroying' the titans. When 12 are collected in the pool of gensis it's possible that a new Aeon will be born, the world will be made 'real and brought into reality or it will create a new world tree (if this is true it may help solve the problem of finality or how to 'reset' the universe/create a new one). It would also explain how destruction is needed much like how a fire will help a forest renew it's trees with the heat, that the stellerons from the destruction are actually fragments of the world tree (theory I saw online) and creating a new seed will allow for the next world after finality to be created (which makes sense as Rememberance is tasked with gathering precious memories to replenish the new universe).
Finality in Hi3rd reset the world over and over again until the 'right' world was able to overcome it. It's possible that at the end, finality resets this world and it's actually finality as the third aeon not mythus. If finality is not 'created yet' on top of the fact that no known world has been gazed by finality, or lived to tell the tale besides probably kiana's world, it is 'unknown' that it is interfering with this world. Or the reset only happens when the black tide 'wins' and then it's reset, so maybe the third aeon is mythus and is trying to change things so finality can be beaten.
So it's it's possible that Law (Finality which has domain over everything, space/time), Time (rememberance) and space (Erudition/knowledge? or swap finality with erudition and space is mythus) came together to do several things. 1) Lock it in a time loop outside of space, 2) create the titans to regulate this world (much like the simulated universe's aeons also regulate it), 3) create a barrier to prevent the black tide from leaving and 4) send March 7ths, or cyrene's original body without it's memories into space (because perhaps she got corrupted and her memories would also be, so sealing them means sealing the darkness) and send out for help or hope for her to figure out how to stop the black tide.
It's possible march is being sealed/frozen again after mem awoken because they will be able to save or revive cyrene which would lock march in the ice again as she would need to give up her mortal body to harness her memo keeper powers. It would also explain how when March got more frozen, mem, a manifestation of cyrene, was able to talk in full sentences.
There is hint of 13th Titan. Maybe that Cyrene
@@charlestonho6733 maybe titan of gensis which could equate to origin, a reference to her herrscher of origin form?
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Yeah i think so march 7 is elysia(cyrene)
I just realized something, black swan turned the expresses windows into the remembrances mirrors since you can only see amphoreus through remembrances mirrors
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To be exact it's the garden of recollection's mirror. But yeah it's using remembrance power
1:24 I play with Caelus and at this cutscene it was calling Him mother too, so it’s def march or some other female leader they’re referring to
I wonder if it could be someone that March 7th took picture of in past and its remenance is still inside camera. Because when you think about it....March's camera did make weights go down in puzzle so it could be anything that's in her camera that counts as weighting more than a world of Amphoreus itself. At least that's what I'm thinking.
It doesn't have to be a female lead necessarily. Like arly being called father...
@@Dockingmad True! I’m glad you mentioned this, I didn’t consider that
No way march was pregnant oronyx is huge
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Love that amphoreus has so many possibilities just means 3.0 was only thr tip of the iceberg
And we were told the story is going thru all year long... til 3.7
i dont think that march will be fuli as it said that he was the father of amphoreus but i do think that cyrene, mem and march are all the same person and that the reason that she got ill was to prevent her seeing herself and crating a paradox
my other theory that can exist at the same time is that march is amphoreus itself and her in the ice is the only part of amphoreus accessible from the normal outside world and she has now gone back into the ice now that she is back there as the prophecy that they go through at the genesis refrences a mother of titans which (with her being the mother based on the time titans response to her camera) could link to gaia from greek mythology who is the earth
father could just be the aeon and mother march 7th who that person was like how arlecchino goes by "father" but thats just a title, agree with mem true
There is a problem with what you say. If Cyrene, march 7th and were the same then oronyx would call mem mother, but they refer to mem by her name.
Except that Fuli is them not he . All aeons are genderless
Yeah I agree it seems the most likely regardless its almost 100% Mem and march are connected but I cant help but feel like March is this games Elysia aka Cyrene
I can see mem being creature created of marches memories, mem is very march coded so it wouldn’t be a surprise if she also was mems mother.
I want to point out that I don't think the ice is avoiding her from going to amphoreus which many people think because if you choose to leave amphoreus you get a little text wich says that even after warping away from amphoreus her status gets worse.
This still doesn't mean I think it has nothing to do with amphoreus it is just a more complex reason
the beautiful thing is all theories really have some solid possibility
I think mem is cyrene and march is cyrenes abandoned body. Cyrene sacrificed her body and became the most powerful memokeeper so she can keep her dying world alive. I think Cyrene is singlehandedly keeping this world "alive".
Yeah 2 are 100% connected I do think March could very well be Cyrene this games elysia and mem could be her lost memories or other half
@@TheGamerChronicles999 i mean, the last picture we see of Cyrene she looks like she was literally split in two so I can see that being a thing
Exactly what elysia wouldve done fr
could it be that the 3 paths on Amphoerous are Remembrance, Mythos and Finality? Since Herta told us that if Erudition was involved, she would know, but she had no idea… also Black Swan is really sus in the story so it isn’t really that impossible that she lied to us
Ouuu interesting could be mythus at work
Herta does know about Amphoreus. She told Himeko everything she knew about it before they set off. That's why she was confused and annoyed that the AE came back to ask about it.
@@blackmark2899 yeah but I think she said that she doesn’t know anything about it being under Erudition and that her as an Emanator of Erudition would know if Amphoreous was one of the worlds under Nous
I think the third path could be destruction imo because there looks to be a chess master in the first amphoreus trailer controlling things which is said to be an emanator of destruction that is very slow in destroying a planet yet has a high chance of destroying it due to the emanator’s strategies
Isn't the last one is Aha, since Sparkle mentioned Amphoreus during the Cosmo odyssey event ? Since fools are known of Amphoreus it's highly possible that Elation is the third one.
Maybe march is a memokeeper, but she did or discovered something bad and the garden resorted to block her memories, put her in ice and sent her into space, and maybe that's another reason why she likes to take photos, like a subconscious memory of collecting memories
Edit: other thing that came to my mind, related to amphoreus obvious lean in greek mythology, march could've been someone like pandora, opened something she shouldn't have (pandora's box), and that released the black tide, with possibly the titans banishing her
Hm the memo keeper in FuXuan story quest said that they restricted her access to her past memories to protect her, so it is possible that she was corrupted by the black tide so it doesn’t consume her mind. Sth like a forbidden knowledge corrupting rukkadevata in Genshin.
I higly doubt that Fuli would make a move to protect March's memories if she was only a simple Memokeeper
I can definitely see March being a Memokeeper who's important to Amphoreous. I don't think she's gonna be Cyrene or anything but definitely important for Oyronyx due to their pleas for a Mother
It's only for a brief moment, but when the stellaron hunters all freeze in the train scene, march pops into frame
Hey I forgot something, So I'm commenting now. There's an alternate ending when Aglaea is done interrogating us, we tell Phainon that we are leaving we can't work with the chrysos heirs if they don't trust us fully. After that black screen with text comes up, in that text it reads that Black Swan left the express without telling anyone(it makes her more sus after the scene with The Herta and that memosnatcher) and then credits roll, in the credits Phainon's name is in ??? symbols Just like Acheron and March on the credits of penacony quest.
I still hope you read this comment even it was late.
pointing out the writter of Elysian Realms was picked to write Amphorius
all i know is they gave me like 30 seconds of Elysia's voice and then hit me with the "To be Continued" i waited so long for that and thats all they gave me i literally said "no way thats all their gonna give me" Elysia was an is my faovurite character so just the idea of her being in the game fills me with excitement in general and i want to learn more what role she will play and who or what she actually is
I still remember how suspicious Ely was in the begging, but hot damn, by the end of the Flame-chasers journey I loved Elysia alongside the rest of them. I still remember how many people complained about the ER story when it dropped, but then said it was one of their favorite arks by the time it concluded.
What with the connections to march and phainon I think we can expect to see more of her later in the story
I think we took for granted the idea of 3 Aeons fighting for Amphoreus. Like there are parallels to all Aeons in the titans: beauty- Idrilla, strife - Nanook/destruction, death- Nihility/Ix because the people that worship the titan of death are saying that death is a gift and a generally good thing to happen, Mythius/enigmata with all the don't search beyond the sky stuff, Lan/The Hunt because the flame chase journey at its core is a hunting of gods, Erudition with the reason titan and many more. Like you can't tell me that in the HSR universe there isn't a place in the whole thing where all Aeons are present, especially a place like Amphoreus hidden even from emanators. And also the whole saga of Amphoreus is so vast, from (3.0 to 3.7) like there is so much time to explore the influence of all Aeons on the planet. And also I think that it is hidden by the remembrance and enigmata to not attract forces like powerfull pathstriders or even emanators to not risk a full scale war that probably will be the demise of the universe. I may be reaching a lot and it is early to speculate, but hey, that's what we are here for I guess.
In Okema, there was a note that talks about the true nature of the Titians. This note talked about how the Titians are actually mechanical constructs created by a machine god. That makes me wonder, is march 7th connected to the machine god?
Where?
@ I forgot exactly where it was, but you can find it near the hot springs.
One thing to note is oronyx says something when we see Fuli. She calls him the sky father. The sky titan is the largest titan and when their eyes are open it is light, also the sky titan obliterated a city trying to leave. The sky titan also is beyond the sky. Fuli is the sky titan? When its day Fuli is watching(remembering) amphoreus? Either way Fuli is referred to by oronyx as sky father and march is refered as mother.
With the above is march the gaia of this world? She then created Fuli(ouranous) and together they gave birth to the titans. Current day amphoreus has the titans being killed by people who become gods which is an exact parallel to greek myth. These themes are feeding each other. If the titans are supposed to be the greek titans then they were created by the sky and earth. We even see kephale in the same role as atlas.
A reason erudition could be involved is their aeon was also created rather than already existing. Furthermore, the creator became the first emanator of their path. If remembrance started similarly with elysia(march) creating fuli and then being transformed in the process.
Fuli is male confirmed
Consider that the Aeon of remembrance is a crystal statue and Lightcones are crystallized memories then it’s safe to assume that Fuli is like the universe’s lightcone? Maybe March was Amphoreus’s lightcone? That was chipped off of Fuli somehow and the memory was “misremembered” into/as March 7th? So Fuli put Amphoreus into a loop until said memory was “remembered” and now that she’s back she’s literally becoming a human lightcone? lol
If Mythos could be the third aeon, it could mean that there could be more than 3 aeon on Amphoreus since Mythos could relay/mention there are three known but there could be more than 3 aeons like finality and destruction having ties to the place.
The 3 aeons are for sure Remembrance Erudition and Finality.
In HSR, Finality is also the origin of worlds. As both Fuli and Terminus recreate the universe after its destruction, them working together would be logical. Erudition joining out of curiosity (regarding something) would make sense, too.
What is interesting for me is that Elysia's name here is Cyrene. The mother of many gods. She gave birth to Apollo's children, for example. Apollo was the god of many things, but more notably he was the god of distance and the teller of future (through prophets). One of his affiliate was Helios. Helios is the Sun and one of their derivative names is ELIO (I'm sure no one made that connection before, lol).
So Terminus could be Apollo. And Cyrene is the mother of his children (the Mother Oronyx refered to). Elysia is also a name derivative of the goddess of childbirth in Crete (Eileithyia). So Cyrene being Mommy makes 150% sense!
Now, here, Fuli is daddy-o but if they don't go that strictly by the interpretation (and Hoyo never does), Cyrene could be the Amphoreus representation of Terminus (who doesn't have to be a dude). And so, Terminus and Fuli could be the creators of the Titans (and everything in Amphoreus).
As for March, she will be the heir of the Time coreflame, so I would think, she is Phainon's sister. The one he thinks to be dead. Which is the obstacle of his focus on the mission as Chrysos Heir. As we see Cyrene talking to lil'phainon about his destiny and how he would or would not follow it... And how Cyrene seems to suggest with her words that she sees the future, her being Terminus's representative (or descended form) would make sense. And this could mean that they try to see how Phainon's character/decision/fate is affected by his sister being dead or alive... Which could be one reason why March is a Chrysos Heir but is taken out of context... So to speak...
Something along the line of this...
Sure, many of the Aeons think destiny is a fixed thing, but Amphoreus is clearly a playground simulation of the Aeons...
Apollo also was the god who gave trial for sinned humans - and a chance to be cleansed. Maybe we will see how Terminus recreates the universe after its destruction - which needs as in atonement and cleanse process by avoiding the biggest sins committed before.
What if Phainon doesn’t end up being a permanent villain (might have a brief turn to the dark side but not permanent)? If the Astral Express wasn’t around to help with Nikador, then to get to Oronyx Phainon would have had to have done something drastic that Castorice didn’t want to happen, and then they would have had to try to take Oronyx’s coreflame (likely in combat) and have likely Castorice try to master it all in order to be able to go back to the past. If they are lucky, they would not need the memory fragments (which they might not even know they need if they master the coreflame although they probably would know it) and all that is in order to achieve the same outcome but with many consequences and uncertainties. Would Castorice or Phainon even be able to master Oronyx’s coreflame? I don’t think so. We don’t even know what Phainon would have done to balance the scales but it would have had consequences most likely. The prophecy (which might not be what it seems as seeds of doubt have been planted both in pieces of text and in the 3.0 livestream), would have likely led them to victory without the astral express but circumstances would have been very different. I think Phainon would have become the villain in that case. Yet the Express has been instrumental in saving all the worlds we have been to so far even when there are other powerful fighters there. I think Amphoreus would have had a similar fate to HI3 previous era Earth and then the loop would happen (assuming the theory is true) and we got to the next 50 000 year cycle, which culminated in HI3 current era, as that cycle of 50 000 years and then reset happened many times. Yet like how the current era had help from the previous era (people travelling through time, Prometheus, as well as Elysia making it so Herrschers with their humanity can exist), Amphoreus has help from outsiders as well: the Astral Express. I think humanity’s fate as well as Phainon’s will be much better this time around. And I think this will be the last loop and that we will have many survivors (although some playable characters might die) and the humans will finally claim victory and live on like the HI3 current era.
I think the Aeon of Remembrance is behind March’s memories being taken and she’s reacting to being near it. Fuli looks icy, and the icon in Swarm for Remembrance is what looks like an ice hypostasis.
We know so far that her memories were supposedly removed to protect her from pain. Her past is dark and full of pain. But Fuli thinks everything should be remembered. So maybe an emanator of remembrance took pity on her.
I think March likely is from Amphoreus. Beyond that there are too many possibilities.
1-At the start of 3.0 they talk about what the third path could be (Permanence, Enigmata, Equilibrium) them doing this mean non of them is the third path.
2- the third path properly is the Finality (Terminus) "The Aeon that moves backward in time and presides over the Path of Finality.
An apparition that travels across the universe while murmuring a prophecy that is destined to be fulfilled." The most important thing about Amphoreus is the prophecy.
3- Finality doesn't have path but every path will end in the Finality when you look at The Titans every on of them is a mirror to an Aeon / Path
Erudition=Cerces
Remembrance=Oronyx ( advice you to read Readables called" The World in Oronyx's Eyes")
Elation = Zagreus
Beauty = Mnestia
Nihility = Thanatos ( Castorice is the daughter of River Styx which is one of the rivers of the underworld like Acheron )
i do find this interesting because there are more aeons then titans, even if you exclude the trailblaze, the finality, and the order since it fused with with harmony.
i wonder which aeons don't have a titan counterpart.
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some paths fused together other paths divided like Permanence
I think there might be a thirteenth god that we don't know about and march could be the chrysos heir to that thirteenth god or even the god themself.
I also think that she could be an emanator of Idrilla.
And my final theory is that the 12 titans are each three sets of Emanators for four Aeons, with Ena the Order being the fourth that is no longer fighting for control of amphoreus.
had group chat with friends and we all came to the theory of her being a thirteenth god as plausible. Would be too obvious with what shown so far but would be awesome if she was. The thing we want to know is why she was sealed away
My personal theory is that the original world of Amphoreus was destroyed save for one person who escaped the planet's destruction. That person was Cyrene who gave up the entirety of her memories to Fuli to preserve her world. Fuli recreated Amphoreus in the memory zone with help from Mythos so they could keep its location secret/help its rebirth since hiding and obscuring the past fits into Mythos' MO.
Cyrene (who may or may not have ice or six phased ice related powers we will have to see) having lost everything that made her her was sealed in six phased ice to preserve her body. Which results in Cyrene becoming March and Mem(who is inside the recreated Amphoreus) a la Focalors/Furina or Seele/Veliona in HI3.
And I think in the end Amphoreus will be recreated in the material world and Cyrene's og body will be recreated as March at this point wouldn't want to become Cyrene again and give up her current life/friends.
My theory is March was sent out by the titans for her to survive because they know that they will be eliminated by the 12 flame-chasers because of vengeance. Having March survive their mother might allow the survival of the memory and the fate of the Titans. And her having a reaction meaning she was not meant to go back.
I dont have anything else to bakc this up but: i think march 7th is what amphoreus lost before becoming a time-loop world. The moment March steps inside Amphoreus is gonna be the moment it'll materialize its celestial body.
Since Amphoreus looks like infinity and according to theory Amphoreus is just repeatedly iterating the events until something goes right, I'm more inclined to think that Amphoreus is stuck in a Mobius loop. Look at the shape of the planet itself, its literally a mobius loop!
the rainbow matter of ribbon is not the planet itself its actually the middle shining star thats the planet
@@Nyx_TheGodess my bad, while I was writing it I knew it's the shiny star that's the planet and an 'unknown' material surrounds the planet, about which even Black Swan didn't know. I just got so excited with the mobius loop thingy that while I was writing I ended up eating some words and it came out like that. I was talking about the 'unknown' material that is supposedly the 'fate(?)' of the planet that's been responsible for the events in Amphoreus to iterate n number of times. Obviously its just some theory on my part considering 3.0 is just the beginning.
Keep them coming … man I love your videos
Thought 1: March probably isn't Fuli. When it appears, Oronyx refers to it as "sky father" rather than mother as well. I find it hard to reconcile mother and father being the same being.
Thought 2: considering the trailer, where trailblazer blows up castrum kremnos into memoria and then a certain someone pops out as if to guide or protect them, and the similar pinks, what do you think about Meme being Elysia?
Also when you summon meme they pop out of nowhere and move to hug you from left to right. The Elysia expy pops out of nowhere and hugs the TB from behind, moving from left to right in the trailer as well. I'll put my tinfoil hat down now 😂
Mem being cyrene all along would be interesting and funny at the same time
@@MarshmallowFrost I just found out that Mem and Cyrene share a voice actor. In. Every. Language. 😱
As a honkai impact player of almost 3 years, im excited to see how the story plays out, especially with elysia!!!
crack theory: the "moment of genesis" they are talking about is the point at which amphoreus repeats itself. amphoreus is shaped like a mobius strip, and if you draw a line on it parallel to the sides, you will eventually return to the starting point. idk why it would be called "moment of genesis" otherwise
Weirdly, it's not just an infinity symbol but also a mobius strip, which is interesting. Anyways, I suspect it will be a few patches before we get any significant answers about March 7th. I've come around on the possibility that March is Elysia/Cyrene, however.
Honestly i think shes cyrene. Cyrene is an elysia expy, elysia also covers herself in a crystal. And after acheron being revealed to be raiden mei it pretty much makes sense this could also happen to march 7th
I agree! Seems the most likely
I thought at first that erudition broke something while looking for answers and through those broken pieces Remembrance was born…
R.I.P. to Annihilation Gang’s screen time 😢.
LOL dont lose hope
I’m curious about Castorice and how she’s able to hug us in the trailer, going back to March i think she’s some sort of “solution” to Amphoreus. Also Black Swan is the one staying with her alone? Bit sus for me.
she was born with her half missing cuz of thanatos and maybe when she gets that back she can control her powers? or it is just a bait scene for us to pull her.
also black swan was always sus
I kinda thinking march is an emanator of remembrance cause of the crystal thing i mean if she really an aeon then it would be the astral express too overpowered which i don’t think hsr gonna do that part this early
Whoa what if phainon ascends to aeon hood becoming the Finality and black Swan was just tasked to find out how he was Born so that the rememberence could defeat them or prevent him from ascending
Terminus is already born
17:21 They do say that not all the core flames have to be collected with the titan's death. Maybe she was the titan of Romance that Aglea took the core flame for?
Some titan already dead before they collect the fire
So not sure what titan they collect the flame without killing
@vietcuongnguyenle8530 They never elaborate. They just mention that they don't always have to kill the titan to get the core flame.
Glad to see a full video on this, considering my comment in the last video were all of these same theories - though certainly I will not take credit as I feel some of these have been floating around for way longer then my comment from 4 days ago. Also like that the Idrila theory make the video too, as that was also going around in the comments before I posted my theories.
I do feel that March 7th is going to be the focus of the entire Amphoreus storyline though, and it's going to be very interesting once THE Herta gets involved on what is going to happen. Because if the loop is that everything that happened to Elysia, Kevin and them in Hi3rd is what is supposed to happen, what happens when a Emanator of Erudition starts sniffing around and isn't told by her own Aeon what is going on.
I don't see Sunday going down to Amphoreus, but I could definitely see Welt and THE Herta go with a encased March 7th into Amphoreus to get answers - and it would be interesting to see Welt's reactions to how things are going and if he immediately picks up the parallels with Kevin & Phainon.
Hoyo is definitely cooking with this storyline - though from a gameplay standpoint - I wish they were cut down on the amount of black screen text + voiceover they give us and actually show us by drawing or animation what is actually happening.
A few things that were actually explained in game.
1. The infinity symbol in space is not Amphoreus. That is the chaotic mass, as Black Swan called it, that prevented almost all methods of detecting planets from detecting it.
2. We are not time traveling or affecting the past. Tribbie explained how it works and the short version is that the power of Remembrance is using the memories of people and place itself to make an interactive copy to call forth. What they call a Miracle.
And on a personal note, I don't believe Amphoreus is a memory or is even in a time loop. It's in a cycle of golden age to black tide and then resets.
Just to expound - I believe that Amphoreus, within itself, is in a time loop. From the outside though, time is going naturally - so essentially Amphoreus is reenacting the same events over and over for possibly Eternity in a effort to prevent something (like, the Birth of the Aeon of Finality that would spell the end of the Universe.) Basically, a much larger, much more real version of Herta's Simulated Universe.
My crack pot theory.
March is the daughter of Cyrene and Phainon.
I base this on her colour palette as a combination of both Cyrene and Phainon.
I also think that Mother is actually Cyrene and the camera is a gift given to March by her.
march didnt have that camera, she was fully naked and empty when she was found in the ice
@Meruchooooo perhaps, perhaps not.
This crack theory actually been around since early Hsr but rather than March being Cyrene and Phainon’s daughter, it’s Kevin + Elysia = March instead.
It’s used to be a joke theory as March color palate matched them (pink + blue) also her ice and crystal power (Elysia’s crystals and Kevin’s ice power (though he also use fire))
It’s funny af if the devs picked up the joke and just using it just to slap the players with the most tragic story ever
@@karini42631 good to know. I'm very much a HI3 tourist, so I didn't know it was an old theory.
I think March 7th is a piece of fuli
Because as fuil is using memokeepers to collect memories
March uses her camera
Just one of my theories
Not really. Mr. Reca uses a camera as well. But her being a piece of Fuli is interesting. Or she's Fuli's physical body.
6:30 I believe Mem is Cyrene because the VA sound the same😅 and look how Cyrene have the feather on her head that Mem uses, also pink.
she is lol. It's pretty obvious i think. I feel she will regain all her memories and speech and turn into cyrene :)
A thing I noticed but idk if it has any relation:
15:22 those shards look a lot like the MOC, so could the MOC be a part of that simulation in HI3
Fuli is called Sky Father, so I don´t see them having the title "mother" at the same time
At first I thought they gave us the March 7th skin because the fans demanded it. But it was definitely planned. That may be also why it can only be worn with the Preservation path and not the The Hunt
For some reason I think that this case will be different.
I'm not sure there is a complete connection between March and Cyrene. There is of course a connection between Mem and Cyrene (almost same voice, lol). Eventually, both pink-haired characters were shown separately from each other.
But in the Amphoreus trailer, we also saw three hidden characters. The silhouette of one of these characters looks very similar to March 7th. However, this character is on a dark red (looks like Black Tide) background and has taken a rather threatening pose.
If there is a connection, then surely March 7th was divided into good Cyrene and an unknown evil character.
Or vice versa. Cyrene, after her disappearance, split into good March 7th (who is now a Mem) and an unknown evil character (I guess she represents the Black Tide itself).
If you pick Male MC she still says Mother (not Father) so she clearly doesn't mean You or Mem. I thought maybe she meant Fuli but Fuli didn't gaze at us till after.
9:03 did she d1e here tho? All covered in golden blood... Or clearly was severely wounded, maybe that's why she had to leave, assume another form (Mem) or be surrounded by 6th fase ice...
I thought Kevin was the Aeon of Destruction just because he looks like him lmao
Mem might also be Cyrene because if you use rem. Trailblazer there are texts/inscriptions similar to the one on Cyrene's sleeves. Also correct me if I'm wrong but this is the first time I heard Kevin being referred to as the Herrscher of Finality- I think he only has Authority over it and Kiana is the Herrscher of Finality.
Also I'm not sure about the 3 Aeons working together because the Egnimata description said "To prevent the certainty that Erudition brought about from destroying the possibilities championed by Mythus," So I think Mythus is only there to mess around with the possibilities of the world and trying to prove Nous wrong.
March is not the mother, the mother in question is the Aon and march is connected to the path of the Aon to a large enough degree that it triggers something. However! The real place she sees mother is within the trailblazers memory's as we have likely come into contact with them before. I think March and her camera as a medium prompted her to see a little of her "mothers" path and when she searched deeper for their "mother" they found something in the memory of the trailblazer.
what if march is a memokeeper and her way of collecting memories is thru her camera
Big Yapfest warning: I highly doubt it's Terminus of the Finality for the simple fact that everything that's happening on Amphoreus has already happened and Terminus was born far into the future. If March really is tied to this world and came from this world, she wouldn't have been apart of the Express. The Astral Express meeting her before the start of the story means that Amphoreus was already destroyed or put into that loop before that point.
The only thing I can think of that could tie Amphoreus to Terminus and Remembrance with some evidence is the ability we gained to go back to the past. If with the Remembrance we can go back to the Past and Terminus' whole stick is traveling backwards from the future to the past, then everything that is happening on Amphoreus is something that happens in the far future and when March ascended to Fuli, THEY abandoned THEIR body and brought it back with THEM to the past incased in ice. This could explain how the Astral Express crew found March before us ever going near Amphoreus and how no-one knows about Amphoreus yet because none of this has happened yet. This could also explain why Akivili never once set foot on it.
I still think this is a stretch because Black Swan said that this is a memory of a past world and from everything we have seen, I'm leaning more on this being like a simulation of sorts given how the spirits look like digital emotes and the corruption looks like red data. I think the third Path is definitely Mythus due to how convoluted and shrouded in mystery everything is. The fact that no-one knows about the happenings of the outside universe and the existence of Aeons outside of the Titans kinda spells Mythus to me.
The biggest thing I hope is that this world isn't some Simulated Universe recreation made by Fuli and Nous after it's destruction. That would be the biggest let down for me.
Just to poke around - I think with the theory of Amphoreus being the Birthplace of the Aeon of Finality is absolutely possible. It's possible that this could be a instance where because of the actions of the Astral Express, it fixes a possible breakdown of the relooping structure of Amphoreus which might've gotten broken if March 7th is NOT Fuli's old body but is Cylene. It's predicted that the birth of Terminus is not supposed to happen at this time, which means that very likely - the Astral Express going to Amphoreus and fixing things is going to give the Universe many more Eons compared to if they didn't come, Terminus would be born and the Universe would come to a end not long after.
Also, remember that technically, the Miracles worked using Oronyx's power is actually not going back in time, but using the power of Memories to remember the Past and pull them to the Present. I don't think such a thing is possible unless the entire world is Simulated.
You're gonna hate this, but I really think that this world is a Simulated World recreation of what happened to the actual Amphoreus right before it's destruction, run in loop right at the Start of it's destruction and reset right back to the beginning of the end again (possibly starting with Nikador's encounter with the Black Tide) and looped over and over.
I always assumed the mother thing was the stellaron assuming these guys are all portions of a stellaron seeing someone who has taken nanooks gaze and also bears a stellaron it makes sense that theyd see ys
Us* as mother
Maybe this is the introduction of the Herrscher to the hsr universe that can be the counter to the aeons
Do you think Hoyo deviated at all for the end of 3.x to fit in a connection with Fate and that universe's system of Akasha?
Or will it just be lost trailblazers visiting...
Am I crazy or does Cyrene's English voice sometimes sounds like March?, the cadence are similar.
Who's Cyrene's english VA exactly?, now I'm curious.
And the fact that March scene came after Cyrene & Phainon flashback only pushed my suspicion further.
I feel like March is connected to Cyrene in some way, or maybe she is Cyrene...
According to the HSR wiki, Cyrene’s VA is Aiden Dawn
March is doppelganger of cyrene, much like caelus/stelle is the doppelganger of Phainon. It was mentioned in the 3.0 story quest several times. Even on the very first meeting, caelus calls phainon, "My long lost Brother ". March isn’t connected to Amphoreus at all. But the story of amphoreus is a hard foreshadow of whats to come in the real story of star rail!
As for why march is freezing that's the traiblazer's fault😆 Fuli peeked through the express's window to bless them with remembrance path. Even in MC's mind, coming in contact with Fuli is causing march to freeze. Maybe she'll remember something important about her past after she wakes up from this icy slumber!
My theory is that march 7th is the emanator of remembrance and she got removed from amphoreus due to her power and got trap in ice and erasing her memories.
So its not just me think mem looks like march. My idea is march is the wife fuli and she left him😂 when the titan said mother when caelus was using the camera that moment i had this funny idea
Personally I think she is either emmanator or Aeon, she is very important that´s for sure the icon of Honkai Star Rail is her so I´m gonna bet high and say she is an Aeon
At some point near the end of the story castorice said she was deprived of her other half or something. Could it also be possible that march is her other half?
Then march must to have ability relate with life or death
She have none of them
@vietcuongnguyenle8530 she has the original power of preservation, which is technically in the middle of life and death, keeping something/someone alive, rather than directly creating/destroying them per se.
@humzapaul7698 protecting is not between life and death
It only is prevent dmg to something
Between life and death must to be some thing directly affected living being cause some change to their physical state
While march is obviously connect to amphorious, I also think kafka is important to. She has the same eyes as aglaea, her outfit and art show webs like aglaeas golden thread. Kafka said she was a knight of beauty, but maybe its more like she was connected to the titan of beauty.
Also, isn't it kinda funny that the Outfits from March and Cyrene look so similar? Just look at the shoulder part (close stretch, i think i am just coping bcs i love March and want to know more ;-;)
I wanna point out since amphoreus Released, there’s been common theme around the characters which is “incomplete” but literally
Nilkador and his Five Divinities
Tribble Trinnon Trianne
Castorice and her “half” that was taken way from her since birth
well I believe is similar with Cyrene Mem and March 7th but is with time(and I say this because of the fate Titans and how there’s always 3 Titans for specific things)
March 7th= “Past of the forgotten/Frozen past”
Mem= “Gift of the Present”(totally didn’t stole that from oogway in kung fu panda)
Cyrene= “Future of the dead/Mystery of the Future”
let me brainstorm rq, Cyrene March and Mem were once one Named “Myrene”(I pulled up name generator combined their name and chose Myrene to call their complete form) and later on created(or gave birth and fuli was the father) to the 12 Titans, Eventually Myrene was betrayed or Sinned or whatever and got punished and in result was broken into 3 Barely surviving “Shards” Aka Cyrene,Mem,March and these shards can’t meet each other no Matter what, cuz Paradox and they need some strange ritual or someone to be formed Together Or There’s possible way to get Back to Their original form as Myrene
I am calling it that we might get a 5 star March at the end of the Amphoreus Saga but probably the heroes in this saga while fighting the black tide might die too as a result. Coz it would be too good of an end if all heroes and Amphoreus itself along with March regaining not just her memories but also her true form to continue living and breathing. Not to mention the Aeons themselves r probably watching all this go down so there will be much more turmoil and "heartwarming" tales to come.
Or maybe we're seeing the birth of nanook thats why all these aeons are working together
Titans look like mechanical giants to me, or just mecha. It reminds me of the giant Mecha left in Jarilo VI. These giant Mecha were constructs from an earlier mecha or robot empire, either by the Ruperts or by Nous itself, the Aeon of Erudition. Hence the interest of Herta on Amphoreus. The Mecha were intended for terraforming, hence their association for the creation of the planet, and later to harvest planetary resources and maintain civilization. Overtime, they fell into disrepair but the natives worship them as gods. Nous is also associated with the manipulation of time and the ability to forecast and divine, like the divination society in the Luofu.
There's also the constant theme about gods and heroes of the planet myths who turn out to be alien travelers to the planet, like we see in Penacony. Why Amorphous has humans, language and similar tech, that's dripfed information that the planet was once connected to the rest of the universe. Once you establish this connection in the story, it becomes inevitable that this connection will be restored.
Now all this explains the Titans and the connection to Erudition. March 7 is obviously connected to the Remembrance. The job of the Remembrance is to collect and preserve memories. Maybe the real question is what exactly is Black Swan trying to do?
The third path is probably a negative or a dark path, either Destruction, Nihility but most importantly Finality as Kevin was the Herscherr of Finality. I'm betting on Phairon becoming an Emanator of Destruction or Nihility or Finality. He's the Good Guy turning Bad trope after all.
The yap yap in the story are full of drip fed data. One of them is the yearning for the existence of worlds beyond the sky. In the end, Amorphous is going to get its infinity loop cut, the planet returns to normal time and space. Aquila, who guards the planet, will be destroyed, and the Trailblazers return. However this also makes Amorphous vulnerable to the unscrupulous outsiders like the ever present IPC, but that's a future story.
The Titans remind me of the Kami from Acheron’s planet.
After doing the quest, i am now very skeptical about the time loop theory.
Instead, i think Amphoreus is a world isolated from the rest of the univers by Fuli and Nous, to make an experiment about things like :
what append to the univers when the gods die, how the humanity is able to manage it, how to recreate the univers after it and what will append, ...
(the 2 theory are not incompatible.)
I thought time titan was referring to mem as mother instead as its sort of implied mem is the Elysia expy we see and time titan simply noticed mem late because mem was following us through march's camera?
No mem is refered was Just "mem" not mother
The real question is : did Black swan somehow know?
ahhh... Aeon of Beauty... that is one of possibility too... that bath and their culture are strange indeed
Then it will be very interesting since we never see emanator from a path have a dissapeared/dead/seale aeon
It might be Fuli-> March-> Titans-> Flame chasers
If March 7th turns out to be an Emanator of Remembrance, and is playable, then F*CK YEAH!😆👍
If the goal of Fuli was to contain something in Amphoreus, Black swan bringing the Astral express to disturb things don't make sens.
unless she betray her Aeon, or betray us by wanting to also imprison us.
Is march a stellalon hunter?
I think that march is an amanator and she was the one who sealed amphoreous into a memory
From what we know
Amphoreus could be sealed by 3 emanator not just one
@vietcuongnguyenle8530 i think that only an emanator of recollection would have that kinda of power
I've seen this theory somewhere, but listen, here, herta said she would have knows if nous glazed at amphorias and other things, but what if the reason she can't find anything, is becs the Enigmata, make it look like nous was involved, when it wasn't. So then we have remembrance, enigmata and something.......idk what it's, but I still have a long theory on whybit would be interesting if permanence was one of the paths
Oh yea btw, someone also pointed out somewhere that the ice created by mem is the same as march 7th
Btw, just noticed trough the game footage from your video,that the ice created by mem has the exact same form, with the one that march 7th is being trapped into right now
So, if this is a simulation, shouldn't black swan aleardy know this? Why exactly has she brought us here? Where is she now?
I believe March 7th is the Mother because Oronyx only reacted when Stelle used her camera. Maybe Fuli is doing what Focalars did to herself by dividing their divinity and mortality. Also, doesn’t Nikador, the Titan of Strife, bear a resemblance to Enigmata? It’s already established that the followers of Remembrance, Erudition, and Mythus despise one another. Wouldn’t it be ironic if the three Aeons actually cooperated when it came to Amphoreus?
My head hurts😭
Then why did the time titan called fuil "sky father" and saying "are you there?, are you seeing this?" in remembrance cutscene. why call march 7th mother and fuil father.
It's even more obvious the Titan is referring to the camera if you have male mc, cuz Caleus ain't no mother
I think March is about to lose her memories again and be reset. Her camera and the pictures being taken by the trailblazer are going to be important but I don't think March will be the same after this
The way everyone is like who’s mother who’s mother BRO PAY ATTENTION the second we use March 7ths camera the titan says mother like if one plus one equals two THEN WHY CANT YALL DCAJW SHAVWISVAJSVSJA
i don't think March7 is Cyrène/Elysia.
but as expy of each other, March7 may replace her and play the role that Cyrène/Elysia was supposed to play.
A very good theory ... we won't know till later stages of 3.X but this one is very true why March 7th will turn dark. to see her childeren slaughtered. but I think that is too dark story for HSR.
Since most of their Asian Audience (Chinese Japanese and Korean) while drama and death happens, they do not want a bad ending.
ooops - i acidantelly got spoilers,regarding March7 i didnt reach the finale of story😂 So watch a bit later the theory
How about Amphoreus is currently in the past. MC and Dan Heng are visiting the past. March7th is the future version of Elysia/Mother or future version of Cyrene. She could not be there (yet) or so until Cyrene died sacrificing herself to later become crystallized princess. March7th.
Amphhoreus is a dying world. Phainon or Cyrene later on had to sacrifice themself to prevent that by keep the loop goes on. Corruption happen in Amphoreus to keep the loop, a cycle of rebirth (or remembrance) and destruction (or I'll use finality terms here). Phainon presented as noble heroes but with sad past and driven by revenge, I'd say he'll be the finality counterpart. While Cyrene would be rebirth or remembrance. Phainon will be the one who put an end to all titans and Cyrene who will create them again (thus revered as mother).
The 3rd Aeon could be Mythus since all it does prevent Erudition to explore. But I think HooH the Equilibrium could be plausible too, to keep the balance of the loop.
I thought the titan was referring to fuli as mother
Miss Pink Elf
If march 7 relate to this planet then it's definitely tge reason why it's in a time lop. Cuz without march the story can't end so it's been repeating ir instead.
If march 7th is fuli and is from amphoreus, a world that had been condemned to be destroyed by nous' predictions... then... wouldn't it make even MORE sense that the ENIGMATA grew from the GARDEN of FULI? Enigmata... that which obfuscates the truth... which their sole existence is to push things in a positive direction from vengeful ideas that nous basically condemned fuli's home planet... it would make... a lot of sense... thats what i think.
March was the MOTHER all along 😭
i feel -.. maybe phainon is fulli n this amphoreus the whole cyclce of fulis ascension n elsyia n march 7 are past n present n phainon the now fuli having a still care on his former childhood friend elysia separated their consious n like elysia exixt but as mem idk i got a feeling
Agreed. March is probably an Emanator of the Remembrance. Meme’s voice is also March’s I think?
I wanted Mydei to bring the core flame. Interesting that he gave it up. Maybe in line with your point Phaenon becoming evil? I wonder if Mydei will deliver another Flame. What do you all think?
Absolute CRACKPOT theory. March is the Memory wiped consciousness of Idrila trapped inside Fuli's former body XD