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Who else would like to see a skit where Dr.Strange goes through a lot of those possibilities while “Mr. Blue Sky” plays in the background?
Naw... That's Groot's song... White Room by Cream will suit Strange tho ☝️🧐
Strange dies at every beat of the song
Thats songs been done already. How about Symptom of the Universe by Black Sabbath, or even Time Machine by the same band.
Statistically, if Strange previewed 1 Billion futures then 72 of them were ones in which the Avengers were victorious. That's assuming 1-in-14 million is an average sampling size. It's also logically possible that if Strange saw 16 million futures, the Avengers could've won thousands of those battles, in which case the ratio of futures-to-victories would have to be adjusted. We'll never know for sure because Strange only committed enough time to preview 14 million. It's also possible that Strange lied to the team and picked out "the best possible future" in which the Avengers were both victorious and casualties were minimal.
Nonsense. Nothing in your statement is ‘possible’ because you didn’t listen to a word Dr. Strange said.
As with the video you fail to listen, fail to understand, and then rewriting the story… *dumbing it down* to a level you supposedly can comprehend.
He said nothing about 1 in 14 million chances. *You are making that up.*
He said he viewed ALL possible outcomes of the coming conflict and 14 million 605 is an exact number.
You guys don’t get any of this, at all. It’s like the whole thing goes over your heads.
Specifically….
-> He has to *live* each of these battles and fight them to the end.
-> When he loses -typically dies - he resets. This is what you are seeing. He resets in a millisecond from the perspective of the Avengers over and over again.
But he is living his ENTIRE LIFE and dying. It’s actually awesome which makes it too bad that you don’t understand the scene.
-> It is *exactly the same thing* that we saw when he battled Dormammu.
-> He is not viewing Infinite futures of the entire multiverse.
-> He is living HIS possible futures of which there are a limited number.
(There are not infinite possibilities of any conflict with limited parameters - so mathematically you are also wrong and in over your heads)
The correct mathematical paradigm is *get this* -> the *EndGame* of a chess match. Which has a limited number of moves and may leave you with only 1 or even zero possible winning outcomes.
Too bad this went over your heads.
Lol….keep floundering.
This guy must be awesome at parties 😕
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Sure buddy, Loki basically tells you you are wrong but you do you.
There was only 1 possible winning outcome that was allowed by the TVA.
I agree with you on that I also believe that Dr. Strange lied to the avengers about how many times they won, now that we know about what if… and Loki I think Strange saw multiple wins, but some died, or all died even tho they won and most importantly, they won but got arrested by the TVA. Strange probably knew this and decided that black widow and Tony stark was minimal casualty enough.
My theory is that the ancient one couldn't see past her death because it was an absolute point in time and no matter what she did she couldn't change it so there was nothing to see after her death.
I believe this holds some ground! It could very well be absolute point. Strange was ready to leave Kamar Taj for good after his encounter with zealots. But, those scenes in the mirror dimension changed him, Ancient one's death compelled him to change his mind! In a way, It led to him becoming the Master of the Mystic Arts and eventually Sorceror Supreme in the near future!!
That's actually told in the movies and series already. Ancient One said that she couldn't see after that moment, she couldn't prevent her death after this point. And it is also an absolute point since her death makes Stephen the Sorcerer Supreme and him defeat Dormammu.
@You're Gonna Hate This
Absolute Points were introduced in Marvel’s What-If episode 4. They were not referring to Doctor Who.
@You're Gonna Hate This 🤦♂️ do you watch Marvel friend?
Or that she was being slightly metaphorical.
If you take into account the What If episode where Christine’s death is considered an Absolute Point, then that’s the reason the Ancient One couldn’t see past her own death. Her death was an absolute point, but Dr Strange could see past all of those 14 million situations because he survived countless more.
you need to take those out of anything and everything. What ifs dont count
What if’s do count they have been comfirmed as cannon alt worlds
@@themonkster333 everything is canon
At this point the only possible futures were on the sacred timeline. Stopping the snap would’ve created a nexus event and therefore wouldn’t be a possible future the stone could show. The snap is not an absolute point in time according to What If. But the Ancient One and Tony dying are. Strange found the one possible way to beat Thanos that both preserved the sacred timeline and held to the absolute points in time.
Actually no, in last what if... Tony was alive when watched took gamora..so his death is not absolute point
You seem to have some misconceptions of how different outcomes are treated for the TVA and for a universe on its own
A single universe/timeline is likely composed of a main reality, and an infinite amount of parallel realities, these other realities would always just look like the main reality (have the same events in the same chronology) but it exists to serve the main reality, making its own unique events irrelevant (like a universe without Thanos).
This would explain why we wouldn't have heard of the TVA in the sacred time-line despite they having killed Thanos' army and creating a reality where Thanos is dead in 2014.
Another thing would be when sorcerers look into the future to see alternative outcomes, they are seeing the infinite outcomes out of these other realities within their same universe, and then pick an outcome to act on. If they don't pick the outcome from the sacred Timeline, then the TVA will show up, however none of them are aware of the TVA, for them they are just looking at alternate realities and picking the best one. This would be because they are looking into other realities within their own timeline, and not into other timelines.
Lastly would be the absolute points in time, in the doctor strange episode of What If, the death of Christine Palmer is an absolute point in time, and will happen in every single reality of the same universe, just like we saw, Strange can use the time stone to look into all outcomes and see her die in all of them, however in any other universe Christine doesn't even die, so absolute points do not remain the same across universes, but remain the same across realities within the same universe.
Then there are the universes/timeline where the TVA acts on, they would be looking at the events of this main reality of each universe, since the alternate realities are only there to serve the main reality and are not completely real. Therefore the TVA would only care about the main reality and probably disregard all these other alternate realities that Strange or the Ancient One see, as well as not care that there is a reality where Thanos is dead too early, because those realities are incapable of creating Nexus Events.
So to your comment, I don't believe Strange acted on an outcome that would not create nexus events as he's not even aware of what a nexus event is or what the TVA is, nor would he be acting in accordance to what the absolute points in time are since we don't know what they are, we know that the Ancient One's death is an absolute point as she tells us that all realities she looked at took her to that point, and likely Strange losing his hands in an accident, as a similarity to the universe where we know Christine's death is the absolute point, but that is probably all we know about absolute points.
The way I look at the 14 million outcomes, Strange chose the outcome where Thanos snaps while Ant-Man is in the quantum realm, this way Tony and Bruce would discover time travel (to other realities in their universe) through the quantum realm and bring stones from other realities. What I believe is the objective of this outcome, is to have a world where the Infinity Stones are destroyed in addition to just Thanos losing his army. Strange let Thanos "win" so he would destroy the stones, then the Avengers discover time travel and bring stones back to destroy Thanos and his army, then they return the stones to their original reality and the main reality is left with no Thanos and no Infinity Stones, this is the one outcome Doctor Strange considered a victory. He is too strong and could probably kill Thanos during their duel, but he just needed to stall for the perfect moment, he could've stopped Peter Quill from attacking him out of anger but remained quiet throughout that struggle as he understood they needed to lose that battle in order to win the war.
@@lol-ki5pd remember ultron stuff occurred years before Tony’s absolute point deaths. It’s been discussed on this channel before.
@@Xthis1s4youX I needed this explanation so bad! I still couldn't get my head around the sacred timeline having lots of outcomes, I thought it was just one version of events not multiple similar ones. I got mixed up with whether the other realities are different universes only because it confused me that Loki for example split off from sacrad and there are just multiple copies of him which all get pruned? Now it makes much more sense that it's just another reality along the sacred timeline that TVA didn't agree with. But other realities don't get pruned if it still leads to end result. So bloody confusing though!
@@ryanosinski6115 That wasn’t ultron. They were already melting down the infinity gauntlet. And iron man was wearing sakaar symbols on his hulk buster armor, likely meaning he was in Hulk’s place during ragnarok…which also happened long after ultron.
Out of 14 million+ possible futures there isn't a single one where Thor aims for the head?
out of 14 millions+ possible futures, there isn't a single one where thor is in wakanda in time, reaches thanos while he is busy because he just got the stones, throws his axe and reach the head*
yes there is. Strange saw 14000605 futures, the one you are saying was in 14000606 or later, in which strange excluded or never got to see.
Well, there probably were a few where he did aim for the head but they could possibly lead up to something else happening that causes more deaths? Idk.
That's not how it works. Dr strange can only see outcomes that he can directly influence to be different. Nothing that they did on titan would change thor going for the chest, because thor's story is completely unconnected
He watched 14 million futures. It just happened that of those he watched, they only beat Thanos once.
Would it really be lying if he personally doesn't consider a Pyric victory to be a "win"?
After all, he was asked "How many do we win?".... if he only considered one of the possibilities an actual win, I would consider his answer truthful.
Plot twist: in every other outcome the TVA shows up and tell them they broke the sacred timeline and they all get pruned.
I firmly believe that Strange wanted to survive but for Tony to die
He saw Tony inventing time-travel and breaking the universe.
He wanted him to die for touching the cauldron
Pfffft. That's nothing. I haven't seen anything about how Far from Home set Nick Fury up as a future BBEG. Don't think it's true? Tony Stark had grown up and matured. He gave Peter Park high-tech suits with training wheels. Where were the training wheels for the glasses (admittedly made before the suits or armor but he could have programmed training mode for the glasses at the same time he did for the suit)? There weren't training wheels for the iron spider armor? Because it built on the suit. Orbital army of drones ain't built on that. It's a different ball game and not something that you trust to a child. And Tony didn't.
Fury gave Parker the glasses early because OF COURSE a kid wouldn't be careful enough to handle that kind of power and OF COURSE after fouling things up he'd destroy them and the drones... which could have been very useful if someone invaded from space with an army... which Fury now has and can do.
@@blueferal8626 sweet sweet revenge
According to Loki, Tony's death had to happen. It's a fixed event.
This all assumes that the time stone has the same rules as a basic time spell which i dont agree with. It's more fitting that he only looked at a fraction of the possible scenarios and stopped at the first one they won.
Did they ever say he did stop at the first one that they win? I’m not trying to be rude I really don’t know.
He might not have lied at all just not enough time til Thanos showed up. The multiverse isn't limited to 14 million especially since the MCU hasn't brought in thr TVA yet and every choice creates a new line nevermind the multi-verse being damn near infinite anyway. Do maybe he just didn't have enough time to see more maybe if he saw 28 million he would've seen more victories. But it could very well be that Stark had to die for others not to come especially since his daughter daughter born and if he was so adamant about Ultron to protect earth imagine what he'd do to protect his daughter when others attack especially since he was well known to very powerful creatures including Kang the conqueror. Just food for thought
The ancient one helping Kang whole time “help direct the corse of history on one timeline” 1:39
I think Dr Strange picked the one where they beat Thanos AND Tony dies. Dr Strange’s charge is to protect this reality. If they would have beat Thanos and Tony lived, he would have put a suit of armor around the earth, ( like he said), and no one wins. Strange saw the reemergence of Ultron and decided Tony must die!
Ultron is coming back anyways.
This universe already had their ultron moment
Where do you buy your weed?
I will never get tired of hearing more theories and ideas or Easter eggs in Endgame and Infinity War, I love Marvel and the movies/shows they've created theyre are works of art that you find new details seemingly everytime you look at them. 👍
Amazing video was waiting for this
ITS NOT EVEN OVER YET BRO.
Have you seen the Loki Series, Kang variant kinda said that he keeps all timelines aligned to one event only, So Dr. Strange should not have seen any other future or this timeline would have been pruned ...
That would assume that Kang is more powerful than the Infinity Stones themselves.
@@risingmaniac2848 ah but what about Tony and Ant Man figuring out time travel with the quantum realm? They were able to harness a power of the time stone without the stone itself. That's pretty insane. Who's to say Kang couldn't come up with something similar, or that he continued from their work to discover the other time lines? A possibility isn't it? That endgame's work with using time travel would later be made better by Kang. Maybe that's why the TVA didn't stop them, without their work maybe the TVA wouldn't exist? All theories bit interesting nonetheless
There's lots of different time lines, hence why their are variants, as long as a time line doesn't create a Kang then it's allowed to exist, only time lines that lead to a Kang variant get pruned, so strange probably saw lots of ways that would end with them beating Thanos but only one that also didn't lead to a Kang variant. And Silvy could of already killed Kang before strange used the time stone to see different outcomes, resulting in him seeing outcomes outside his own reality....
Just one important aspect, the ancient one wasn't using the time stone (as far as we know to be fair, so still possible) and she also says that "strange is to be the best of us"
How could she know that if she died in the first Strange movie? When she said that she said it was the same time avengers 1 was taking place. How could she know of his greatness if all that happened after she died? Or did I miss something?
The "What If?..." sure makes it seem like Tony Starks death is an "Absolute Point".
That's A very solid theory on Strange's future forward insight.
Well thought-out my friend. It's such thinking that has Marvel on top right now.
Nice one. Never looked at it this way, but very correct.
Thanks for reiterating a thousand times doc strange couldnt possibly see past a certain moment due to his death. Really stapled that one in...
Those realities where strange got dusted and never came back or died in the process could make for some interesting what if episodes
I love this whole video. Hell yeah.
I agree that they “win” in some of those other timelines and then the TVA prunes the timeline because it is not the Sacred timeline and even when they “win” Strange still dies and can’t see that timeline anymore
I must confess, I nerd out on this channel at night..
It seems more likely to me that the previous Sorcerer Supreme couldn't see past her own death because it may have been a fixed point in time or she may not have had the mastery over the stone that Strange had
As far as the one victory goes; Strange didn't see one way to beat Thanos, he saw one way the TVA would let them beat Thanos.
This was hella fun
Cool theory. Adds up.
Dr.Strange not using the Time Stone to go back in time to kidnap Thanos and raise him for good was such a huge plot twist; I mean, I think that’s what literally anyone else would do in the same situation.
He looked farther than we were led to believe he saw multiple different events in which the avengers won, but after looking farther to future threats, there was only one way it could go down to where they could win against the future threats as well
Of course the topic is click bait, but no Dr. Strange did not lie. That contradicts the writers and directors of a fictional story, so that you can make up your own fan fiction.
I don’t mind fan fiction, but I do object to badly written fan fiction which misses the whole point of the story.
It’s like rewriting Star Wars so that Obi Wan never dies and Darth Vader isn’t Lukes father (It’s a lie!).
Well…If it were - then we are left with a story written by no talent hacks on the internet - that could never get green lighted because…it sux. Lol.
It wouldn't mean he lied. "Winning" could be defined differenty by anyone, and he gave good reasons to why Dr Strange wouldn't see the other reality as a "win". This theory is also made using the logic set up within the mcu. No new rules, its just uses their own. But of course everyone on the internet except you are talentless hacks who can't come up with their own ideas based of objective info.
“It wouldn’t mean he lied”
Ok.
Then the title of this video _Dr. Strange lied…._ is a lie.
The funny thing is, the fictional character in the film is not dissembling.
It’s very clear from the filmmakers that *no subterfuge* was intended on the characters part.
The video maker is dissembling and so are you.
You are making up events that never happened in the film, and the writers didn’t intend.
It’s just your fan fiction which has nothing to do with the actual film. Pure and simple.
@@summertyme5748 “dr strange lied” gets the idea across and rolls off the tongue better then “dr strange had a more complex idea of winning then what you might think”. Anyways, what events did I make up? All the info used to come up with this theory is based on on-screen events with logic set up by the mcu itself. Stop trying so hard and let people enjoy things man
@@NobleDezGaming dr strange lied” gets the idea across .
Sure. It's click bait. That's exactly how lying is done on the internet.
Your lie also makes no sense.
And is itself a lie requiring a lot of actually dishonest explanation on your part - about the actions of a fictional character. *You are telling a lie about a fictional character who did not lie, in the actual story that you are trying to badly rewrite.*
So much irony....Too bad you don't seem to grasp that aspect of your own story.
I think that both apply, but not that the stones had to be destroyed unless he saw that an enemy that would appear far too soon after their victory.
i think he wanted to avoid futures where he couldn't tell if they would win, futures where they win, but at a massive price, or a future where a new conqueror comes right afterward, when they are still too weak to defend the stones or even fight at all.
Hmmm, maybe the reason he gave up the time stone then is because all futures where he didn't had Thanos kill him and take it anyway, so he couldn't see any further.
Love this theory, it holds to why Strange gave up the stone willingly, since any resistance to giving thanos the stone would likely end in his death, even if the avengers ultimately won. Strange would not be able to see these scenarios.
Of that million+ alternate realities, The Watcher watched those too. In their entirety. And without Popcorn!
I could propose a theory to solve this. When Doctor Strange and everyone was dusted, it doesn't mean that they die. The proof I have is when Tony asked Doctor Strange about thais being the reality where they win and Doctor strange responded by if I tell you what happens, it won't happen which means that he knows that this is the reality where they win and saw past the world through the time stone after he was dusted
I agree
Well done… makes sense…. Perspective on fyah
When strange looks through time at the possibilities I believe he can see past his own death if what we are looking for when viewing is not of our own lives but the lives around us and that I do believe would give the view outside of his own death as he was looking at how to win not when he would die. Everything is still theatrical but that’s how I would view it if I was looking through time. Remember it’s the time stone it does more than just change an apple from good to rotten lol
I think he saw a lot if different victories, but his definition of winning is different than other people’s definition. His main concern was making sure the Earth still had heroes because he knew threats would keep coming and also keep getting harder to face.
3 simple ways they could have killed thanos with no issues.
Strange uses his portal to cut thanos head off.
Spider-Man sprays web down his throat
Tony sprays nanites down his throat.
Simple
Dont forget ant man miniaturized in Thanos head going big... 😅
Your keys are always in the last place you look, because when you find them, you stop looking. My theory is that he kept looking through possible paths until he found 1 that worked. There's potentially an infinite number of win scenarios that he didn't see, because he didn't have an Infinite amount of Time to go through all of them. Since the odds against them were roughly 14million:1, it didn't seem prudent to keep searching for a second possible win. He still had to tell everyone involved the plan. (Also, the "Sacred Timeline" suggest that there may be only 1.)
Man that saying, “where’s the last place you had them?” Always infuriates me because if I knew that I wouldn’t be looking!! Lol
Some interesting points. The Ancient One states that the people that were snapped away were not dead but erased from existence so it stands to reason Strange could see all of the futures he was snapped in. I always wondered why if there was an infinite number of realities Strange could only view 14 million? Perhaps he was snapped or survived in the 14 million and died on Titan in every other possible future hence why he was unable to see them? Another theory I had is that the 14,000605'th future is the first one where he abandoned his duty and voluntarily gave up the time stone knowing that that future would ultimately end up with them winning? See this absolute death thing though? Wong was absolutely killed dead in the Dr Strange movie outside the Hong Kong sanctum! Strange brought him back with the time stone. Also Dormammu kills Strange multiple times but strange comes back to life with the time stone! Thanos revives Vision with the time stone? Yet the Ancient One says she couldn't avoid her death even using the time stone?
My theory is that thanos snapping is an absolute point in time, something that can not be changed, no matter what the avengers did, thanos would have won, like in the Strange Supreme episode in what if, where no matter what strange did, he could not change the outcome
it is not in the last episode infinity ultron beat thanos but maybe at least 1/2 of all life dying is needed because ultron killed everyone.
That’s pretty deep as I’ve also heard that in the new spider man no way home, Strange does some REALLY scary and possibly wrong things that bend the universe a bit too much. I haven’t seen it yet but I have heard that he’s a bit off the Ranch in his escapades. He’s always been a bit too full of hubris though, the main reason he and Tony clashed. Too huge egos and together they form nearly nothing…
Strange already knew what was going to happen as since he masterd the time stone after the apple and defeating dormamoo he may have already looked in to the future and hed already seen some of the 14 million futures
You have to remember that ofc there is only one possibility that they win because that is the path Kang set up and diverting from the one we see would be a pretty big nexus event and will be pruned
Also what I think needs to be questioned is what does it mean to win. Was doctor strange only looking into the outcome with Thanos or were there other things he was looking into as a result of those outcomes for example what if he seen the full outcome of Kang as well. He would have known that Loki was able to obtain the tesseract and did he see what was to come with the TVA?
So there were other possibilities of winning and maybe infinite which may have involved dr. strange getting killed but since he couldnt see past beyond his death in those possibilities, he chose not to go in that direction and also may not have counted them in the possible outcomes he saw no matter how close they got to winning in those possibilities beyond his death in them. He also removed the possible outcomes where there were many more casualties but still won ?
We saw a different version of the ancient one's sanctum in loki banished in void so I think the sorcerers and tva fought but at the end the sorcers thought to listen to the tva and the ancient one was also protecting the timeline the best she could in endgame and doctor strange was doing the same in infinity war
My favorite theory -it's a movie and Dr. Strange made enough money to warrant a sequel to the first movie along with a major role in the new Spiderman movie. Yeah, imma go with that one.
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Probably the most likely!
Maybe he found the scenario where both Thanos and Tony died because Tony with some understanding of how to travel through time could develop more dangerous technologies in the future that could bring Thanos back
With that theory, you have to take the TVA in consideration, because if it wasn't part of the time line, they would have shown up and fixed it, and the time stone would have known that.
Okay, so the Russos have publicly stated that if Thor had "gone for the head" Infinity War would have been his movie. Why is there no future where Dr. Strange opens a portal to Nidevellir, sticks his head through and tells Thor "go for the head", and Bob's your uncle, good guys win? PLUS, now they have all 6 stones, gathered on Earth, with all the Avengers who fought in Wakanda to safeguard the stones until Dr. Strange can return to Earth and devise a more permanent solution? This seems way easier to manage than the time heist.
turn mic volume up sheesh
Strange and Wong screwed up. When they confirmed at the Endgame battle if they got "everyone"? And Wong said sarcastically, "you wanted more?" That was actually crucial. Had they gotten Captain Marvel at the beginning, she would have destroyed Thanos' ships BEFORE Wanda was stopped by rainfire in killing Thanos.
I find it credible and yes his reasonings seem sane to me like why wouldn't I want the affected radius to be minimal .
But Strange *can* see past his own dusting because he gave up the time stone then got dusted but still knew they were on the right track when he came back for the final battle in Endgame.
What if Dr. Strange was just trying to get rid of Tony and Dr. Strange is really the bad guy.
If we assume that he did saw futures, even the (only?) future of death and resurrection, then the aspects of the Time Stone are the reason why. The six Infinity Stones shared some qualities to make itself and serve its purpose. Dr. Strange saw the future that everybody came back after the snap is because the Time Stone ignored a little bit on the aspect of his ‘soul’ because it mostly requires his ‘mind’ to work to see through on a reality to perceive timelines within that space of millions of speculations (including their death and resurrection) like skipping moments in a movie but never really feel anything about it but only see what comes after (and just wondered why this is what happened) Or it is his ‘mind’ that was a little bit ignored to allow his ‘soul’ to flow through beyond time. Because if his soul-and-mind strictly ties on that, he would’ve been brain dead and his soul disembodied on the first precognition that he died. Also, he could’ve become crazy after forcing himself to watch all millions of futures in just one sitting without some aspect of ‘power’ to guide his mind which means his ‘willpower’ lol. The Ancient One, however, doesn’t have another life after her death in the physical world so she is bound to her last moment but it was safe for her to use the Time Stone all over again because she only had to see her future and not literally also feeling it within her precognition.
If Dr. Strange didn't even literally died when he saw the first precognition that he died then why not 'see' if there is a possible future where he came back to life and win the game 😉😉😉
14 million time lines, God I want to see that movie!
I'd like to think he knew that he wanted to save half the universe and knew the stones had to be destroyed and that's why he chose this path.
One question is if Strange can’t see past his death but they get unsnapped thus bringing him back to life, would the vision continue (I.e. would there be a blank spot and then a reawakening?
It may also be possible that Strange focuses on the WE part of the question. How many do WE win? In that moment, the Avengers are still splintered. Tony's fighting in one place and Cap in another, and it's not coordinated by anyone. The Endgame result could be the only scenario that brings the Avengers back together and Thanos is defeated. Victory on Titan or Wakanda would not have had as great a result. If Earth is to be protected, then it needs it's mightiest heroes as they were in the first Avengers movie.
All craziness aside, it would make sense in this context that he gave the time stone to Thanos. In every timeline where he didn't, he was probably killed and therefore he could never be sure that was an option.
Maybe stupid question but are there any infinity stones after endgame? Bc cap put them back to where they came from and thanos died before he could use and destroy them so does strange have a time stone?
She couldn't see past her death because she wasn't using the time stone. He was. Therefore he could see past his death while she couldn't. And to the other point, without the quantum tech from endgame, Kang wouldn't be able to access it in the future, so no time heist, no kang.
I like to think Dr. Strange lied because that was the only time he survives. It falls inline with his self-important nature.
One question i have always had was why strange didn't knock Thanos' Astral form out of his body after mantis put him to sleep.
Because Strange had already decided which outcome they would win. Plot armor Haha
I've wondered too if Dr Strange looked into all possibilities or just a limited number I mean he was kind of interrupted my mantis in the others when they realize he was acting weird.
It's possible there were many scenarios in which the Avengers won, but that he just hadn't viewed them yet.
Also I personally feel Peter Quill messed up the actual when they were supposed to have. Yes I hold the belief that the Avengers actually lost because Thanos did actually make the snap. Granted they arranged for a rematch so to speak and won the rematch, but that's not exactly a real when is it?
Let's say Mike Tyson back in his prime fought Glass Joe and in their first fight glass Joe got knocked out. Then for 5-years glass Joe bulks up and trains and after that five years they have a rematch we're glass Joe actually knocks out Mike Tyson...
We wouldn't say glass Joe won the first fight; he did make a comeback and win their rematch however.
Likewise The Avengers 1 a rematch but given that a lot of people were missing essentially dead for five years and then come back not having AIDS those five years it put the world in an awkward situation for sure I mean just watch Falcon and Winter Soldier.
And like I said I think Peter Quill messed it all up when he got mad at Thanos & interfered. When Doctor strange realized that the one chance them's wind had been destroyed he did know that there was a chance they would make a comeback which isn't a true win so it doesn't count as the one time they would win but it was a way to partially correct them losing.
But that's just my personal take.
Did the ancient one specifically state that she used the time stone to see potential futures?
If he can see millions of possibilities, it should have been easy to spot the correct one. It's the only timeline that the TVA doesn't prune.
He saw more than one possibility to win but they TVA only left one way to win.
How did she know in the talk with Hulk that Strange was meant to be the best of us?
You spent the second half rewording the first half lol
Thanos is purple cuz power stone celestial from celestial that way he believes he had to kill half universe
I think that there was another alternative where Dr Strange died. He may has sacrificed Tony because a bigger threat was coming and that would be his time... He will probably die soon.
My theory is that Dr Strange saw the galactic war that it has been going on. He saw that the Celestials would end the planet earth if they didn't get the energy for the emergence to begin, since Thanos end up half the humanity. So Dr. Strange saw that was the worst scenary for them anyway. Better to solve a problem at a time. First get rid of the Celestials doomsday by giving away the stone to Thanos, then hope the avangers will find a way to bring back the humanity, then find a way out to get rid of Thanos so he will not doing it that snap again. Eventually find a way to solve the Celestials consuming-the-earth-problem, in the next phases.
I'm assuming that Avangers will go for another strong charatcter to get help, maybe Galactus.
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But…the SS also told Banner that Strange was the best of them and how would she know that if she had not seen further down the road.
There wad only one victory and it is the one where doctor strange freely gave away the time stone. In all other scenarios he protected the stone with his life. Which is exactly what he said he would do. Only when he did the opposite did they have a chance to win.
The theories were good. But the video overall seemed weird. Like audio is telling something and video is playing unrelated to the words said at the moment.
Dr. Strange only saw those outcomes in the infinity war. Makes no sense to me he seen the outcome in Endgame unless he wasn't looking at his future he was looking at Thanos's future.
The ancient one didn't wear the time stone and used it rarely. So her not seeing past her death was her magic not the stones. It's entirely different.
The death of Tony stark in the hands of the infinity gauntlet. I saw what you did there
Peter and Pepper could technically take the stones the same way Tony did as well. We see the iron spider made up of nanotech and we can assume Pepper's suit is also nano tech.
Going off what's if, would you think that Tony stark had to die, stark dies in every outcome, Tony caused Ultron, would he in future cause worse
If there where such futures there wouldn't be a sacred timeline, in the one future chosen, the multiverse happened
When Strange takes on the mantle of Sorcerer Supreme, he becomes more powerful than even the Ancient One, so assuming he has the same limits to what he sees may be erroneous. Neat idea though.
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It really doesn’t make sense to say they only won once. They won an infinite number of times and lost an infinite number of times
That’s because He Remains didn’t allow it everything is on the sacred timeline . Kang had to kill tony after he figured out time travel cause tony can be a real threat with that type of technology. He killed cap to because he was causing timelines to branch off . Eventually the TVA would have had to prune the avengers reality . Cause they would have caused branches in the sacred timeline
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Still considering the circumstances I don't think he really had a choice.
Like anyone in that situation you would have to go with the most favorable option which is the one you can confirm.
That means he had to choose the future where he lived through the war.
Thanos is the only MCU character that was very depowered compared to his comic book counterpart.
Time n time again heroes have changed or manipulated their similar to others abilities. So it doesn't only make sense his powers are the same as her especially seen everyone is their own person n has says of twisting things.
In one of those realities the elevator is worthy.
Iron -man - How many did we win?
(in dr.Stranges head - where you die as well!) Just one
And Loki the TVA even explained that the Avengers were supposed to win that's why they weren't prune for doing the infinity stone Time Heist
I think it's logical to think that Strange can't see past his own death because of what you have said here, however there is one escape hatch that the MCU creators have given themselves. The Ancient One said to Banner that Strange "is the best of us". That means his power and his mastery of the time stone surpassed her own. To me this disproves anything that says because the Ancient One couldn't do something Strange can't. I'm not arguing either way about your theories here, just saying the linch pin of your argument does have it's faults.
Why would the doctor never see the possibility that vision could’ve sliced Thanos in half with his stone?