2023 Norton Commando - An Honest Review!
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It's great to see Norton back, but it's important to get a review that highlights the realities of potential ownership. As a one bike owner I'd take my T100 every time.
+1 on the T100👍...
There are so many good bikes out there in all categories, it's almost hard to find a bad one. So when you do stumble on one, it really stands out. I respect Norton for trying to get going again but I would want something new to distinguish it from its recent past
Good to see Norton back on our roads as they are truly an iconic brand. And what a super review. Every motorcycle has it's niggles and they are always brought up in conversation and it seems Norton have a few more than the brand or price commands. It needs honest reviews to help develop bikes like this so hopefully in 2yrs time many of the things you don't like will have been ironed out. A great 20+ minute review, keep them coming.
Beautiful looking bike. Finish looks very good. They then put on a carbon mudguard that is as much use, as a fart in the wind. Why most manufacturers have followed this trend is beyond me.
As the look is 70's Commando, halogen headlight & bulb indicators, ok. WTF is a carbon mudgaurd & gold USD forks doing there ?
I couldn't agree more with this, spot on. A big annoyance for me on so many bikes!
and the useless looking rear hugger
I had the same thoughts. Not sure what to label this awkward mixing of periods, anachronistic?
(I was referring to the useless mudguard syndrome of many manufacturers...)
Respect for the honest review. And i wouldn't worry to much about riding another Norton again.
The first and last TMF review of the new Nortons 🤣
Full respect to you for such an honest review.
I was a tad jaded to hear your verdict on the revised Commando Andy. There was me thinking you were going to get all starry eyed and wrapped up in unbridled nostalgia!
I was particularly interested because I own and regularly run a vintage Commando, a 1976 Mk3 Roadster which the new Commando draws its inspiration from.
Yes, vintage bikes do require fettling but once mastered they can offer miles of reliable every day fun. Plus, the feel-good factor of owning the genuine article and engaging with gentlemen of a certain age (I’m 65) is worth its weight in gold.
Besides, the real thing is cheaper, easy to maintain and puts a smile on every face as you ride past. Happy days!
Andy, just for fun, you should try and ride an original ‘70s bike such as a Commando, Bonneville or even a BMW classic R or Japanese offering such as a Honda CB750 or Kawasaki Z1. Then you will know what it was like for us who grew up with these bikes; no ABS or TC, certainly no fuel gauges, but a pure biking experience. You might be surprised…
In the 60's and 70's we had to use a combination of throttle, clutch and brake control to get the best out of our bikes in all conditions, no computer controlled rider modes. I used to ride my old british bikes all year round, through deep snow , heavy rain etc as I couldn't afford to buy a car at the time . Maybe we were a little bit hardier at the time and got on with things the best way we could.
maybe he should...we did at the time and learnt how to ride and work on them :)
yeah how can he be a bike reviewer with so little experience and lack of knowledge of how different engines feel , bit of a plank review really
@@Jim-nm1en I still ride all year round and have done for 48 years now ;-) I did stop riding in the snow about 5 years back though as I'm more aware of my mortality these days. I've never,so far at least,owned a bike with ABS,"rider aids" etc . I've seen reviews lately complaining about bikes with no gear indicators, which I find hilarious,as much in a "are you serious" way as remembering when Suzuki were ridiculed for having those back in the 70's,how times change. The original ones were great,when it rained you could find yourself in 8th gear,or at least that's what the indicator said,
I don't know how I've managed all these decades without a slipper clutch.... Rode a bike with one recently, conclusion, big deal.
Thanks for such a candid review. I think it exposes how difficult it is to revive an iconic brand to the point it is sustainable and able to compete. Shows also how good the others have become. That said nostalgia may help them.
For nostalgia, try an Indian made Royal Enfield. They are pretty good representatives of older British iron.
All your reviews are honest Andy. Well done for having the balls sharing this. Like most, I’d have one as my Sunday cafe ride out.
I have been super tempted by this bike despite all its faults.. I even went to try one.. but compared to my T120 it was a super uncomfortable riding position.. I love the looks and could live with some of the faults but it was so uncomfortable I walked away.. shame. Thanks for the review Andy.
They used to do a California 961 model with high bars which was really comfortable .
I used to own a 961 MK 2 and I never noticed much vibration .
It smoothes out at 50 mph and get a great surge of torque .
Norton should have put risers on the SP to bring the bars up a bit .
The other bikes are cheaper but they won't hold their money like a Norton and certainly won't get the attention when you ride to the bike cafe .
The clutch is hydraulic.
Thanks for this video Andy. I was privileged to own a Manx Silver Commando MkII 850 Interstate for 22 years from new and it was a great bike. The Isolastic suspension provided a very comfortable ride with almost no vibration evident whilst touring. Your comments about the vibration with this new machine is certainly intriguing!
Good to watch your review of the Norton. I have recently subscribed to your channel and have been binging on your many episodes. Your passion for motorcycling is apparent and I particularly liked your past review of the 05 Triumph Sprint, it seems that the lovely sprint opened up your whole word of motorcycling. Great to watch your travels as well.
Welcome aboard!
Probably the best (most useful) review I’ve seen you do. Well done for telling the truth👍😊
Wow, thanks!
Appreciate your honesty it validates your bike reviews and puts your opinion up in my estimation. Keep up the great work.
I appreciate that!
Andy - great to hear an honest review. I watch all your stuff, and didn't expect such a direct approach. Chapeau 😊
Much appreciated!
So glad that you review this absolutely beautiful bike.The looks ,the sound Amazing retro.Thanks Andy for great review
So refreshing to hear someone tell the truth about the excessive vibration, I rode a Dominator back in the Garner days and was shocked by the rough feel of the engine, I had hoped that they had done something about it but unfortunately other than rubber mount it (isolalastics anyone?) there’s clearly little they can do about it.
Also you mentioned the lack lustre power, I rode to the Donington factory on my 1991 900ss, on the way home it felt like a rocket ship in comparison to the Norton! (And a damn site smoother).
I so want TVS to have a huge success with the Norton name but it’s absolutely obvious that the 961 won’t do it for them.
Looks wise it’s quite nice IMO but even then it looks a little incongruous in places.
Anyone considering buying one should take a very lengthy test ride, a minimum of 2 hours I would say to be sure that it’s the bike for them.
P.S. you mentioned the 1200 Thruxton, I have one, it’s superior in every single way to the Norton, and as you said 3k cheaper!!
PPS you’re right not wanting an old British bike, they are crap 😂, just sold a mint condition fully restored 1947 T100a Tiger, what a relief!!!!
PPPS I have a collection of bikes, the 961 will not be joining it that’s for sure 😂
my brothers got one and for some reason i thought it would be at least ohc when i rode it i was surprised they had engineered in a feeling of an old push rod twin, little did i know,,, my 1200 thruxton would blow it into the weeds no contest, but it does look very nice, not nearly as good as a triumph.
I know it's not a good comparison regarding performance, but the Royal Enfield J series single is exceptionally smooth thanks to excellent design by the Bruntingthorpe team and a balance shaft. So, it can be done.
I rode a Wasp sidecar outfit in a motocross event, standing in for a friend. It had a. Norton engine and transmission but did not seem plagued with the vibrations of the Atlas and early Commandos. Even Triumph have revamped technology and produce bikes that sell. This Norton will remain a low volume seller, I bet.
Great looking and sounding bike. Appreciate the honesty.
Great warts and all review, it's great to see what's good and bad. 👍
Beautiful looking bike,great honest review Andy.👍🏻
Hello Andy, great review of the Nortan. I love your honesty. You did the same type of review of the Ducati Streetfighter V2. I went and test road and you were spot on with your review of this bike. I still purchased the V2 because the negatives did not outway the positives for me. But I did know what I was getting into. Thanks for keeping it real. We as your listeners really appreciate the honesty.
Appreciate that - thank you David
Again, great review. Thoughtful critique ... Exactly what people need to hear, with no malice to the brand. Well done my friend!!
Much appreciated!
Thanks Andy, another great vid
Excellent non biased review Andy.
Enjoyed the review, nice to watch a honest real life opinion & not the usual, love it, want one review! Thanks for the thumbs up, I was considering one of these 👊✊️✊️
Glad it was helpful!
Thanks for the honesty!
Any time!
I love your honesty and character, Andy. The bar is pretty high these days, and there are plenty of retros to choose from, so this bike is really quite mediocre and superfluous in today's marketplace.
Much respect for not giving out a participation trophy. I hope you can give Norton a glowing review in the future. Many of us, and you're certainly one, want them to be successful.
I do indeed!
Thanks Mr. Flyer. It seems that Norton hasn't quite got this bike to where it needs to be. However I think it's great to see the brand producing product and hope they will improve it enough to keep going. BTW very refreshing to get an honest "warts and all" review. :>)
Thank you!
Thanks great to see an honest review 👍
Thanks for watching!
Thankyou for a transparant review
My pleasure
Thanks for the interesting review and your summing-up ( no bull).
Appreciate the honesty
Great review Andy! 👍👍 Very honest
Cheers Chopsie - can’t love em all can we! (As much as I wanted too this one)….
A very refreshingly honest review, top job!
Yes, the 961 is now msva'd due to being a reworked euro 4 bike that will not pass the now much stricter homologation criteria.
I believe the price has also since gone up ie the base model has no tank pin striping which is an extra....as is I'm sure the blackened engine cases.
Visually this bike looks almost identical to what Garner's Norton were turning out at Donington. Looks great but that's where the attraction ends of this bike.
Let's hope Norton get around to producing something up to date that's also affordable
I like the sound of it, just as much as the looks. I'm sure that having to ride it to hear it, is too big of a negative.
Perhaps have a read through the plethora of reviews which explain just how different and superior this version is to the previous regimes model. For a hand built motorcycle it's pretty fairly priced imho. The mass-produced motorcycle alternatives are plenty, in particular the Z900RS which is cheaper of course and excellent too.
I like modern retro looking bikes with the accent on the “modern” not in the retro. Triumph is a successful exemplary case of that . The Bonneville family as they call it it’s just a wonderful work on that area!
Thanks for the review ✌️✌️
@a13bkd62 I definitely see the attraction of a British build hand made bike, we had a deposit down before it all hit the fan! The fact that certain key figures that oversaw the Garner debacle are still there puts me off.
2:11 A truly Beautiful looking bike...
I love retros and this is gorgeous but anyone choosing this over a thruxton either has more money than sense or really values rarity too much. The Thruxton is better in every way, just as pretty (if not more) and much cheaper…this from a R NineT owner 😉
I've had a Thruxton R for 7 years now and had a BMW R9T/5 for a couple years before someone stole and agree with you.
I’m seriously thinking about ordering a R12nineT, so I’d be interested in your experience as an owner of the RnineT. I’m 6ft 4”, but I fit easily onto my 996, so don’t mind a tight arrangement, but I don’t want to look like noddy either 😃. As far as I can see there aren’t many downsides to the beemer?
@@alanprice9938 the R NineT was my dream bike since introduction and it was 6 years before I eventually got one. It is also my first road bike. To say I’m smitten with it would be an understatement but to be fair, I have nothing to compare it against. I’m only 5’10” though so can’t tell you what it’s like for taller riders either. I’m clearly not much help but go and ride the R NineT as that’ll give you a good enough idea about what the R12 NineT will be like
@@alanprice9938 Depends on how bendy you are at 6'4". The distance from seat to foot peg is just a bit over 19 inches.
I found the bike excellent except on consecutive days of 300 mile days.
I have some videos on my channel with the R9T doing various rides including the drag strip.
@@alanprice9938 You should rest ride an R1250R also. It's not as nice looking but it's a nicer bike to ride.
Such a fun review!
A perfectly honest review, which is what we are after, and at 16k, there is little excuse for cheap feelings switch gear etc. Great job 👏
I love Norton like you do and appreciate your realistic perspective.
Thank you
First class honest review, best on the web.
Wow, thanks!
Great review as always, thanks a lot. I was always attracted by the look of this bike, but it seems it's not worth considering.
In comparison I recently test rode the new Brixton Cromwell 1200 (not sure it's available in the UK). That's a surprisingly well made bike, modern with a retro look and I highly recommend it for a review.
Greetings from Berlin
Honest review much appreciated! Even though you say at one point you may never get to ride another Norton because of it, you stick to your opinion, respect. Hopefully Norton can get their act together and produce something that distinguishes it from its troubled past!
Let’s hope so - the V4 looks good to me!
great review. I own a 961 2018, awesome bike for people who want a Norton. This is a true honest review.
Glad we concur!
Fair play for being so honest Andy I respect that. 👌
Thanks…
Don’t worry about it Andy, you have just given an honest review you can’t be expected to love every bike you ride, everyone’s opinion is different. 👍
Comparing with a 1970s commando it's a good step up I'm sure , but I would not trade my 900rs for one , not even if it was half the asking price after watching that review . Thanks for an informative honest review of a bike that should have been more polished in not just its bright work . So many other great riding bikes out there at a fraction the price . Looks great though for those who will buy it as an investment and barely ride it .
It’s a great looking bike. You can tell where they try to balance, old style and new style. And it really will be up to the owner where to go from there if they want to customize it.
We need more honesty all round, great review!
Thank you
The Norton 850 Commando from thr early 70s is, to me, one of the three most beautiful bikes of all retro bikes.
There are some very good examples of Nortons of all eras in the Oregon Norton club.
Couldn't agree more. My uncle had one when I was just a kid. I got to ride pillion and I would be giddy with delight watching the speedo climb past 80.
The Commando 850 is, to this day, my definitive cool bike. Actually my definition of cool - period.
Respect Andy for the honest review Norton hopefully will sit up and value an honest opinion.
My love of British bikes stayed firmly off road where a couple of Gold Star scramblers followed by Matchless and Triumph Metisses provided me with all the fun one could ask for. And they were reliable machines considering they were flogged in many scrambles.
I never quite took to British road bikes and was introduced to BMW twins when in the military. I purchased a new 75/5 in 1972 and sold it in 2019. I owned several other models alongside it and never had a dud.
I do not equate leaking engines and transmissions, vibration serious enough to shed parts and dodgy electrics with good engineering. After WW2 the glory that was once the British motorcycle industry had degenerated badly. The three losers from WW2 eventually produced motorcycles that nailed the home industry’s coffin shut.
This “reborn” Norton appears to suffer from a few issues from the past. For such a hefty price, there are other motorcycles offering better all round performance in a faster, modern world.
Always Loved the Modern Norton Commando,it’s the definitive British Classic/retro street bike. Sadly it’s only available to the very well healed. Brilliant review Andy - I’m so jealous.
The bike looks cool. Good fair review 👍🏻
Great job on a realistic review
Thanks!
Good to hear an honest review. Perhaps they’ll do a TMF version having addressed the niggles… thanks Andy.
Good for you for calling it like you see it Andy!
Thank you….
Hiya Andy. I got what you said about not doing your usual route - for once I didn't recognise that much of where you were, except going past the Pink & Lily, and The Whip Inn!
I do love the idea of Norton coming back, but it looks like they really have to smooth out some of these niggles if they want to be any more than a 'more money than sense' brand. Especially as you said, the Thruxton is just as beautiful a retro bike, and so much cheaper.
(BTW I just ordered my Classic 350, I'll look out for you one road!)
Great review. Hopefully Norton can sort some of this stuff out
I hope so….
Love the sound and that beautiful silver paint, gorgeous........Sal : )
ONE NORTON FAN SAYS THANKS FOR YOUR HONESTY ... IM GRATEFULL FOR YOUR REVIEW
Good, honest review; well done TMF for not following the crowd of pro journos who wax lyrical about Nortons. You may not get another Norton to review (shame on them if they don’t let you have another) but you’ll win new fans of the TMF channel for giving a real-world, every-man review. Keep up the good work.
Thank you - appreciate that!
Good honest review 👍
Thanks 👍
The brake & clutch reservoir brackets look like something I might bodge up out of scrap metal in my shed. The fact that they are secured by the mirror stalks makes them look like a total afterthought. Also, is it just me, or does the 'mill' sound like a Briggs & Stratton lawnmower engine?
Norton School Report: Tries hard but could do better...
Nice looking motorcycle, excellent review.
I think you are spot on Andy, the 961 Norton is a beauty, but the elephant in the room is the engine. I rode an 'old' 961 a few years ago and came to the same conclusions you did. It was vibey, underpowered for a 961 cc twin and frankly I'd have a Speed Twin every time if I was considering buying this kind of bike. I had hoped the 'new' Norton 961 would be much better than the old one in the engine department, but it seems not sadly. What's that saying? You can't polish a t**d but you can sprinkle glitter on it.
I’ve had my beloved Street Twin for 2 years now and I’m certainly not ready to part with it. But I did wonder if the 961SP might be an option one day. I ride quite long distances and love to do the odd tour and it’s clear from your review that the Norton isn’t the right bike for that. Leaving aside the vibration etc. even details like the foot pegs, brake and gear lever look like they’ve come off a cheap chinese bike, not something that costs twice the price of a comparable Triumph. In fact Triumph’s classic range foot pegs and levers really are a work of art. What a shame, a bike maybe just to look at and ride occasionally. Thanks for a really detailed review.
I went to 'Super Sausage' last Sunday and was amazed at how many retro bikes are on the road! Such a fantastic choice these days, nothing like the 1970's when I began my motorcycling life. Meanwhile, if you fancy it, I have a 1991 Kawasaki Voyager xii (Kawasaki's answer at the time to the Honda Gold-Wing). if you wish to do a classic review on it (and possibly a comparison to how the super-tourer has developed)...
Good review honest😎🇨🇦
Hi good honest review, it’s lovely to see Norton back I had a close up look at one in a local dealer who has picked up a Norton franchise for Cheshire , I agree with some of the design issues re indicators etc but the thing that irritates me the most are the mirrors and the reservoirs just so Mickey Mouse but easy for Norton to amend
First and only honest,unbiased review that i’ve come across. It seems integrity is a rare trait these days.
Well it's all opinion, I seem to be in a minority of one!!
Another thumbs up for calling a spade a spade and for not getting caught up in hype or nostalgia.
Nice honest review just as we've come to expect from you. Its great to see Norton back in the mix but they have to get the balance of modern / retro right for this kind of money. Cheers
Totally agree
Good review mate, I ride a R1250R and although in every way you can measure its a superior bike to ride, there are folks who will say its rubbish next to something like this Norton. Like you if I had the money I'd have one in an instant as it looks brilliant for posing and showing off at bike nights, but for riding I'll stick with the R which is such a very good all around motorcycle.
I’d much rather have a R1250R as well.
To me the Norton is a bit like a Harley Davidson.
I understand why they appeal to the people who buy them, but when you start looking at what you get for your money, they are objectively overpriced.
Really appreciate the honest review many these days just feel like an extended advert...
Andy it’s a two banger 21st century come 60 - 70’s retro bike. It should be that loud and it should have a bit of rock and roll. A few years ago now my first street bike riding experience was on a 1973 Norton Commando circa 1977, so I guess I was about 15 years old. I was staying for the weekend at a buddies place and buddies older brother had the bike and left the keys in the ignition. We took it for a rip through town and on the highway buddy on the back. I was totally hooked, a year later I bought a two banger 750 Kawasaki. My first street machine and still living to tell the tale.
Thanks Andy honest review speaks volumes for your Chanel. It’s over priced and under powered maybe they will lift their game but not the price.ride safe.
I have the Z900RS & a 2009 Bonneville & I would not have quite put either of these two bikes in the same league as the 16k Norton. This is because of the Norton's name & its heritage. However, I value your opinion, so having listened to your review I probably won't be adding one of these to my collection, anytime soon...
You were honest & that is all you can be....
I’m glad you said about it being jerky at low speed Andy, I rode one a couple of weeks ago and found that. Glad it wasn’t just me.
Glad we concur!
Lovely, lovely looking bike !
Great review as always dude.. 😊 I love the look and history but not a bike I would want to ow. .. if I was to buy something with a retro style I’d go Triumph or Royal Enfield. But really would like a GS
Great honest review, even if it means you may not get to ride another Norton in the near future 😅
I think all the criticisms are constructive. If Norton paid some attention and addressed those issues in the next update, it would be better for it - esp at the price point. If you're going to charge premium for a boutique, low-volume bike, then make sure the details are right. Plasticky indicators that fade in less than a year and sub-par alloy finishes on the rims, trims, and triple clamps do matter for the targeted buyer, I would imagine.
I do find it slightly amusing at all the comments saying things like, back in my day, we never had fuel gauges, inidicator lights on the dash, slipper-clutches and the like; and how can you call yourself a real man, unless you're fettling with your bike every second day because it wouldnt start or leak oil..... 🙄😅. I think they're missing the point of buying a modern retro. People may want the looks, sound, and feel of a bike from the 60's and 70's, but they don't want the headaches and unreliability of them. Otherwise, just buy an old bike from that period and fettle to your hearts content. I'm ok with bikes without fuel gauges as you can learn to calculate your range, as Andy had mentioned. But how hard is it REALLY for a manufacturer to include one in 2024? How does having one "detract" from an authentic retro experience? 🤷🏻♂️
Oh, and you can absolutely have a beautifully elegant, round headlight with effective and safer LEDs than sticking with older halogen bulbs from yesteryear - case in point, Triumph Speed Triple 1200RR. Nothing wrong with wanting to see better at night to avoid hitting a possum crossing the road or ol' Trevor pulling out of an intersection in his SUV without looking for other road users.
Totally agree with you. Earlier this year I had the money put aside to buy one of these but I didn’t. The choice was between the Norton and the Thruxton RS but having ridden both, the Triumph was the far better bike. So what did I buy? Neither, whilst I loved the Thruxton, at 6’3” it was just too small for me so I purchased another Honda Blackbird (like the one I first purchased in 2000) and I couldn’t be happier.
I think if I had that kind of money set aside and I was potentially a Blackbird buyer I'd have been sorely tempted by the Hayabusa, an ex demo for about £13.5k. I had one on loan for a couple of hours and it was a fantastic ride.
Yay! Norton is back but with so many retro bikes with such good quality and tech, it's a shame that Norton misses the mark. I think I'd be looking at a Triumph Thruxton RS (in Competition Green!)
Couldn't agree more!
Andy, I praise your Balls to give us your 'RAW' but qualified detailed opinion. I'd think Norton will be stubburn to give you another Bike in the near future. However, I'm glad people like you mention the cherries on the cake and at the same time, mention the sour cream topping. I'd imagine Norton might just fix these issues in the near future as the bike for sure is very expensive and it should reflect that price everywhere! I put down BMW's F900 XR and it's clunky up and down quickschifter 3 years ago. Im out and about again,courtesy of BMW to test it again. guess what? The Shifter is mega good now! Thanks for the ride along.
ijust saw the thumbnail, without watching the video... this is a stunning retro bike.
Maybe have a watch?
In the early 60's my uncle asked me if I wanted to go for a ride on his new Dominator, it had already had the Dunstall treatment. So there was I on lovely summers day in my shorts with no helmet hanging on to my Uncle for dear life on the Kingston bypass. That's when I became a ton-up boy,
with Uncle, who looking back was clearly nuts, he was in his early 40's at the time. He told me that we did 106mph.
So on my return to my Nan's I proadly anounced this, her then laying into my Uncle full belt and braces.
A few years later I had the pleasure of riding a friends Manx Norton, with the advice slip the clutch a lot and you'll be OK.
Great vid once again Andy
Great story Rob - those were the days! (Some say!!!)
Brilliant Review. I’ve had one of Garner 961’s and I can relate to everything that you said. I really thought TVS would have made more of an effort. Such a shame!
That’s interesting - thanks for sharing
The new BMW GS 1300 will have it’s premiere on 28th september 😉
Nice v-log and a beautiful designed motorcycle.
Thanks Andy for an honest review i wish Norton well but for 16k & tarnished wheels i don,t think so!!
Thanks for doing an honest review. I wouldn't buy one now, even if I could afford it. Many years ago (15 perhaps) I went to test ride a bike, and when I got there it wasn't available (and stupidly I hadn't booked it), so as I was at a Ducati dealer I asked the guy if I could test ride a Monster. No problem. So I took out this virtually new 1100 Monster, thinking this ride could cost me a lot of money.
I was wrong. I hated it almost instantly. The vibrations and noise (std pipes) were unbearable. I rode it for 10 minutes and took it back. I couldn't imagine how it could stay screwed together with that level of vibration. I've never considered a Ducati since. Bought a 2021 Triumph T100 a month ago. Fabulous bike.
I have a Donnington 961, clutch was jerky, only until I changed the Brembo clutch slave cylinder to the Oberon - super smooth clutch now, pity TVS didnt change the slave on this to the Oberon.
Great and honest review, thanks. That is a BEAUTIFUL looking bike but I wonder if they will be bought by people who want to look at them rather than ride them?
The vibes and the forward lean seating position would not be for me, even though I do like a bit of character in a bike (like my R9T) and eschew 'smooth as an electric motor' bikes (like the Blackbird I once had), and it's 9kg heavier than my R9T. My bike doesn't have a fuel gauge, which I agree is just daft, and it's interesting that this £16.5K bike hasn't either. One thing I'd prefer to be different on my bike is that having wire spoked wheels it requires use of tubed tyres - I presume the same applies to the Norton?
I'm right with you on running a genuine old classic - I had a Meriden T120D (1979) that vibrated like a jackhammer, leaked oil, and needed constant fettling to keep it running properly. It was also a bu66er to start at times (kickstart only of course). It was an 'experience' to own and did handle well, and it never actually broke down but always felt it was going to. It's an experience I will not be repeating; like you, I prefer modern retros that are properly screwed together and more civilised.
I also picked up that low speed fuelling is a bit jerky. That's something I can't stand in a bike, and I never found to be a problem on old bikes with carbs or the later FI bikes I've owned. It was the early FI bikes that seem to suffer that.
I really feel you have put across the plusses and minuses of this great looking bike and therefore you have done what a review should do, but which many don't. I'm not in the market for a £16.5K bike (I only have garage space for my R9T and a little 125 Innova) but I suspect there are some folk who are, and who will add such a fabulous looking bike to their collection but rarely ride it.
I have been down the dead-end of a "hand built, best of everything, exactly what I wanted bike". It was an horrendous, heart breaking disaster. Give me mass-production every time!! Forgot to mention, I'm not rich and it bankrupted me, to quote your video "Lessons learned" 👍
I know that beauty is in the eye of the beholder but to this beholder, a 65 year old rider my whole life, that is a beautiful motorcycle.
I think you will just get the vibes with that engine. It is a beauty though! I agree with you TMF ,no excuse for the rim tarnishing.
Blimey, i didnt expect you to be that honest Andy.
Agree about the roughness and vibration. But I enjoyed the feeling. Reminded me of my 1976 Triumph T140. But so much better. Rider's of my age will love the Norton because it Reminds us of our youth but it won't brake down or parts won't fall off.
I'm not so sure about that. The original Garner Nortons, which this one basically is, were not that reliable...
@@grahamtricker4103 if you ever owned a 1970s British bike anything is more reliable lol
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