Kettlebell Hard style swing moving toward a soft style swing (double bounce swing)
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I had a stroke, left side affected, in March. In the hospital 5 weeks I've been doing swings 6 days a week since mid April. My recovery is well above what was expected. I feel the swings are a huge part of that.
That's inspiring, I have ataxia and just can't get the proper form down yet.
You will love the Bodyweight 101 program and the krav1 program.
Clean and press will help for sure
And the 2 hand club program.
That could easily keep you improving for 2 years
Basically everything I write is designed as a movement restoration and neurological efficiency program
@@MarkWildman thanks, with the clean I'm having a tough time with the kb hitting my wrist ouch.
@@dogrescuer1321 improve your hip strenght and the timing. Your hand must start the switch from grip position to rack position BEFORE the kb goes above the bellybutton. The elbow of the swinging arm must be kept very close to the hip at all times (no pulling). The "t.rex" swing, as he named it (here we speak spanish and call it "swing vago") is a good pre-clean training when performed one hand.
That kettlebell didn't walk itself up that mountain! Love the commitment and stunning setting.
farmers walk 👊
It used a helicopter
Probably rode up on the same quad Mark did
Highly knowledgable individual, very articulated, very informative and technical. Thank you very much for your time! Take care
man, your fashion style is spot on all the time. Great video as always.
This is like a kettlebell travel vlog through America
I started with the hardstyle swing, well, I didn't know any other style existed when I started, but over time I grew more curious about the sport style one. Glad you made a video on that! And the scenery is amazing.
My thoughts while watching this excellent instructional video:
1) My, he's standing kinda close to the precipice!
2) Wow! What a view!
3) That cloud shadow shifty thingy was beautiful!
4) A chopper makes an appearance as well!
Summary: Is this the making of the new Mission: Impossible movie? :-D
And my thought: if that kettlebell slips from the hand while downward motion, it might roll straight down to that river !
Thanks coach! I’ve always wanted an explanation between the KB styles!
Hey Mark, Great lesson as usual! Started kb's watching Pavel, agree he's the OG, but your teaching style is the best for me. 72 yr. old broken down, ex- craz crazy person trying to stay strong till I move on from this mortal coil. Thanks for the inspiration.
Stay strong. Keep swinging
Mark: "Stop the car! That's where we're filming the next video."
Driver: "Wow. Are you serious? It's beautiful, but what if you fall?"
Mark: "Well, atleast I'll go out swinging..."
Too much? :-)
😅😅😅
Never too much
I love all MW’s content but the kettlebell ones are what cemented my admiration for this channel. I was planning on doing kettlebell sport post summer. Looking forward for all the kettlebell sport content coming our way. Thank you MW and god bless you.
I’m not great at it, but I understand the distinctions
Down vote guy got a partner...
Also nice flex saying "straighten the legs" that many times that fast at that altitude while working.
Hard style people hate soft style with a burning passion of 1000 suns
Yeah I’ve never understood that dogmatism. I started with Hard Style from the old DragonDoor forums. I learned KB juggling from Jeff Martone’s DVD and quickly found that Sport Style movements helped me to safely juggle. Also, how can you be a Kettlebell fan and not appreciate the tradition and beauty of traditional Kettlebell sport?
Learnet the "soft style" from my dad in 1987 back in the USSR, learnt the "hard style" from a gym instructor in 2007. Initial reaction was - what the hell the Americans done to the classic move? Later I've appreciated both styles, and do them interchangeably. Thank you, Mark, for laying out and pointing the difference, most importantly different purposes of both, i.e. muscle load (hard style) vs. efficiency (girevoy sport). People sometimes forget that soft style is all about efficiently train in order to compete in Girevoy sport.
Pure gold. Awesome location.
Didn't know that you can utilize -trexing to engage lats better! Always appreciate the Wildman
Amazing scenery.
Thank you Mark.
Got my Adex Clubs today - I'm so stoked!!!
Daily viewer. Thanks for taking tje time to help ALL of us. And great scenery, always. Robinhood, Thailand
Great backdrop!
thank you for answering my question with this video before I ask you.
Totally huh!
Amazing to have this all documented knowledge pouring out Mark.
I was honestly looking up hard style vs soft style kettlebell techniques today. Crazy.
Well. I’ll make a bunch more for you frank. My soft style is not very soft stylie, but I’ll attempt the basics
@@MarkWildman Most of it was out of curiosity. I mostly do hard style for everything except the snatch. That looks more like a mix between the two. I realized I just copied the way the first person who taught me kettlebell did it and he competed.
thats funny, exact same thing happened to me!
Thank you Mark, this clear explanation and illustration of these techniques and styles.
I agree with what you said about how kettlebells allow you so many variations on how you can use them in training, but to adjust for working with heavier weights and for how isolate and engage various muscles.
Just watching this thinking man, i really hope he doesnt fall backwards or this video will take a very unforseen turn.
He explained it so well. Thanks
How did i miss this video when it came out! Great stuff as always Mark and epic landscape view!
Great video motivational amazing unique background perfect choice
Did not know that. So many different swings
Very nicely explained, thank you!!
You’re very clear and insightful in your teaching.
Great job bro
Awesome work, awesome vieuw
Great jacket, cropped style is the way now and you were agreed if the curve.
I have been t Rexing because I do swings a primer for squats and deadlifts and don’t want to tax my body too much and just want to focus on the glutes and hips
I thought I was doing something wrong but this helps me know I’m okay. Thank you!
Any other 80's kids see the view, hear the choppa and feel a pavlovian urge to watch Commando?
Im from 1990 but I feel you
@@henriquehansen314" welcome back John, so glad you could make it"
@@michaelfry667 "Come on Bennett, Lets Party!🔪 "
Such a view 🤩
always top info with details. Since nowadays everyone is "expert", I read a lot here and there from some people who say bent elbow swing is wrong!! thanks for clarification
yeah. lots of people say that. i disagree but those are hard style purists.
I believe as noted in the video - do all the swings... all variations 🙂
Love the approach shoes!
these are italian dolomite boots. picked them up on the german romantic road.
@@MarkWildman They look comf.
Not too bad. Wife toe box which is super key and a wool blanket lining. Not super warm. Not super cool. Good for alpine elevation but not great in snow without Swiss surplus gaiters
Last night I truly experienced the "what the hell" phenomenon. My deadlift has absolutely skyrocketed to 250kg.
If people aren't using kettlebells in this day and age I genuinely don't know what they're thinking
dope deadlift
How has the kettlebell helped?
The best all round fitness tool. So many variations one can do in one workout, incorporating snatches, Goblets, presses and squats in all kind of mixes.
@@sandeepsmatharu stick around and find out 😉
The WTH (What The Hell) Effect mentioned refers to the phenomenon that working with a kettlebell - particularly on the Turkish Get-up - tends to lead to surprising improvements in other seemingly unrelated athletic endeavors.
Check out Wildman's Turkish Get-up videos in this channel. It's discussed therein.
Kettlebells where had their resurgence in America at the west side barbell club (famous power lifting gym) where they used limited hard style swings to improve max deadlift numbers. There was an article in Milo called “vodka, picklejuice, kettlebells and other Russian pastimes” or something like that. That’s where all modern American kettlebell comes from
Soft style really best of the best, is classic style. Old school from 19 century.
Are the videos for hard vs soft style snatches & C&Js coming up next?
Awesome content as always!
Yes.
I find that I typically do a hard style when I'm 2 handing a kettlebell and soft style when I'm one handing a kettlebell.
Good strategy
Best explanation I've heard. Now I know my t rex arms swings are ok. 👌👌🤗🤗
I have double curve scoliosis. The soft style looks like it would be very helpful since I have lost alot of strength in my legs and back. Thanks for sharing your videos
Investigate single arm club program as well.
I would like to see you demonstrate single arm versions of both
I totally forgot about that. I’ll put it on the list
Could you provide a view directly from the front on the single arm versions. They say the single arm versions are supposed to be identical to the two arm versions except you are holding the bell with one arm, but that is physically impossible. Your loaded single arm is going to want to be vertical which will require offsetting the trunk a bit. More or less depending on the weight of the bell. I would like to see how you handle that.
Totally love your training videos, and especially the natural settings you choose. Hope it’s not to much to ask if it is in Nevada (my best guess)? Many thanks!
Cali.
Kern
Love your content, brother! Where you filming out of? Would LOVE to do some collaboration while getting in a badass family vacation out west...
What’s the colab? I’m in the mountains of southern Cali for a bit
@@MarkWildman I was thinking we could co-promote a killer giveaway in conjunction with sharing some tips/routines to each others respective followers. Once Covid decides it's had enough, I'm planning on doing a Northern & Southern California family vacation. Would LOVE to meet up and train + talk shop together!
Potential
@@MarkWildman DM-ed you on your Instagram to discuss further.
Mark are you able to explain the view. They are amazing.
Thank you
I like long valley vistas. This one is in a Cali national forest
Wildman's sagebrush softswing serenade .
Would love to see some nerd math videos about progressing in kettlebell sport.
It’s lots of metronome
Hi Mark, I've adopted your 6 day heavy/light KB program as of this week (already owned 12, 16, 24 KBs but usually just did swings, presses, cleans all in 1 session every time), made notes on all the warmup exercises, wactched the basic movement videos, got a 17 pound club to start 2H stuff but couldn't find a set of videos or playlist of recommended cooldown exersizes.
Since you reserve 10 minutes for cooling down, what's a good set of recommended stretches in that time?
Aside from the 3 minute neck stretch which sound like a good habit to do over morning coffee anyhow.
Perfect demonstration & visual example for everyone. Thanks Mark!
Okay I get the technical/stylistic difference. What are the differences in terms of results between the hard and the soft style?
Results would depend on what your goals are. Soft style is generally easier on the body and a more efficient movement allowing you to move the kettlebell around using less energy. It's meant for endurance exercises, like kettlebell sport. 1 hand sport/soft style swings are usually a practice or warm-up movement for girevoy snatch and long cycle. You can look for videos of those movements and you'll see this type of swing is used specifically for those movements. So if you're plan is to learn kettlebell sport movements, you would measure your results/progress w/those, not necessarily a sport swing vs a hard style swing.
@@c4ffeineaddict So if my goal is to increase general power/athleticism, go for the hardstyle?
@@M0ebius if you’re just talking about swings, I think hard style would probably lend better to that. FWIW, I only do hard style for my swing as it’s own exercise, but I specifically do soft style when I’m doing snatch and any type of c&p or long cycle
Look at Russian kettlebellers vs crossfit fanatics (esp. snatching). See the difference?
Ol’ Yeller is back! I have missed that KB.
Magnificent indeed!!! Elevation?
7 or 8 i think
@@MarkWildman ,000 feet?
@@MarkWildman did you train? Or was just lugging the 16kg all the way up there in the clouds training enough? 😉
I wish I was as good at this as you mark thanks 😊 🙏.
Just get programs and start practicing. I’m
A mid level practitioner. Someday I’ll get to advanced.
@@MarkWildman thanks love your humility.
I was concerned that you were going to step backwards over the edge. I’ve always felt that the bell floated after the hip snap, no lifting of the arms.
Does the soft style swing help improve hamstring flexibility or make them tighter? My hamstrings are too tight already.
You should be doing a 3 min hamstring stretch after every kb session no matter what style. Unload the loaded tissue. I don’t notice a difference but it’s possible as the time under tension is much greater
Great video, as always. My question is how do you carry this into one hand swings, especially with heavier weights? Just try to 1:1 but with one arm?
I will make a video
Mark Wildman do you recommend not messing around with kettlebells so heavy that they throw you off balance during swings? I notice with 106+ that the glute and posterior chain power is more than enough to explode the kettlebell up, but the moving weight of it pulls me forward in a way lighter bells don’t
The swings get a lot a lot smaller and change almost entirely at big weights
Mark, what is your personal favorite and recommended for beginners combo for marathon?
Alternating versions of cleans with long cycle
That location!
Mark, can you let me know your thoughts on this, or if you've seen it before? I found out (too late, unfortunately) that when you're used to hard style and start to do soft/sport style, you need to decrease load and volume for a while due to the different load on the SI joint. I did not do that and ended up with sacroiliitis, which led to a muscle injury as well that lasted about 6 months. Have you encountered this before?
O yes. Very very common. I should mention that in a video. You need to use a spiked hard 3.5 inch ball to do smr after every session. That injury is brutal
So Trex arms with the bounce would be hybrid of soft and hard correct.
Hi Mark, any views on amount of knee bend when doing swings? There appears to be variation in this...Dan John for example teaches minimal knee bend.
Interested in your opinion
Regards
I don’t really have one. Everyone comes to their own level after a few million reps and precious athletic experience. I’m not really a minimum knee bend guy because of Kung fu. Power is probably somewhere in the middle of all things
Much appreciated!! Thanks
you showed the soft style swing only with T-rex hands (if i'm not mistaken). is it ok too with straigth arms?
Sure.
Any tips or cues as to how much knee bend is appropriate in hard style? I see videos that are almost a squat and others where there’s almost no knee bend at all.
Pavel teaches. Hip hinge. Vertical shins. As minimal knee bend possible I believe
@@admorris3898 great thanks!
Pavel is the authority. I will always defer to his expertise
Great video. Off-topic question: Your audio sounds amazing for being outdoors with wind. What are you using to record your audio? Thanks.
Tascam dr-10L
@@MarkWildman thanks!
It’s good for off grid. Uses the tiny data cards. I have a card pelican case for those. My whole kit fits in a little clear and blue box from harbor freight. The tascam and dji gimble all fit in a box and a backpack so they are easy to transport
@@MarkWildman That's awesome, Mark. I really appreciate the info.
Rewatching to look for techniques to survive the 10,000 swing challenge. I tend to move towards the T-Rex style (or Johnny 5) swing in the later reps, 350-500. Not sure if I will go full soft style, double bounce though.
You might as well make it cleans or long cycle if you are gonna double bounce
@@MarkWildman I'll save the cleans and long cycle for when I start adding in marathon training.
Great video! Where's the location?
Cali
Hey Mark. Love your channel mate. Is your Mrs gonna be pissed when she sees you wore her jacket and scarf to do this video? Was it a little tight around the shoulders?
I use to be lighter when I was in the circus. And if you don’t recognize the reason for the length of the cowboy handmade jacket..., well... you should.
@@MarkWildman is it so when you’re Line Dancing you can put your hands on your hips? Like a teapot...
@@toasterboy708 ah, so you are rude AND uninformed? Nice.
Of course toaster boy. Of course
@@stardresser1 I admit, I know nothing about Line Dancing. Did you dress him?
Anyone get invite to beta yet. Signed up but haven’t heard anything yet.
Thanks
they have the beta material. ill ask what the status is
Same here
Would love to join beta program, though more keen on KB and SA club than 2 handed club
It’s coming. Gotta let them get one part working first. I think the single arm club will make them cry
@@MarkWildman 😃😃😃
You are laconic....Thanks.
Great word
Have you done any new videos with the adjustable kettlebell 🤔🤔
i gotta paint it. its black and it doesn't show up well. any vote on the best color scheme
Red , It is 32kg at it's max ?
@@MarkWildman It's cast in two parts:
-green half, red half > vibration
-yellow half, blue half > optimism & assuredness
@@MarkWildman yellow.
Yellow does seem to show up best on camera
How do you burn more callories?
Do more work
@@MarkWildman Hard Style or soft Style?
I was taught to breath out on the downward phase with the "soft" method ???
That is one of the excepted breathing styles. You’ll see it in today’s video
Last. 😔
Be careful Mark!
1:15 yet another reason I don't like American (aka Crossfit) style swings.
First
Nothing personal, but I got lost in the scenery for a few minutes
I don’t know if I’m stupid for caring but I thought the hard style swing looked badass and elegant and the soft style looked ridiculous.
i do not disagree. but the competition guys have figured out a super hero mythical level of strength endurance. so. i listen to all sides of everything. then we can sort out what works for who.
The sport, or soft style, looks a little silly with two handed swings...
But it's pure poetry for cleans and snatches, in my opinion.
@KairosGymnos I like your spirit. To paraphrase Pavel: there is no room for softness with kettlebells. There is no soft style; only a hard style, and a *harder* style 😃
The competition guys are at mythical levels of movement
@KairosGymnos your comment is an interesting read. One might say you're getting into a bit of flow and having fun with it. And I'm here for all for that! One thing I don't enjoy about the traditional gym/ structured workout is that it feels like a third job you gotta do between your day job and home responsibilities.
Totally get that with kettlebells and clubs there's more room for _play_ as it were than with traditional barbells or a treadmill.
I too have a couple of playlists where the tempo is just right for this sort of stuff. One song in particular I use for a non-stop freestyle of rock-its (Side to side, front to back, hand to hand) and around the worlds.
That's a treat for when I've done my programming for the day and still feel like I've got some gas in the tank.
Re: the Pavel thing, I wasn't implying that sport style ( or flow ) wasn't a valid thing. I was making an attempt at humor to suggest he might say kettlebell sport is still serious work. This is why I keep the day job: these jokes don't always land 😅
The reference I was making was from Smple and Sinister where he says "we don't have a weak side and a strong side, we have a strong side and a stronger side"
Cheers!
This video filmed on the set of Breath of the Wild
Came across this video - th-cam.com/video/aCi1ISW0m40/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=kettlebellsport
I didn't realise that there are kettlebell competitions, is it part of crossfit? The women in the video are really fit!
Where are you? Just don’t trip.
Yeah, location is important. I don't know If I would do that where people could see me.
What are you wearing? Is that a lady’s jacket? 😂
WTF that jacket?
like its good or its bad?
You shouldn't stand so close to the cliff man because what if you slipped or felt sick all of a sudden? If you fell off that cliff nobody could help you.
That jacket is unbelievably shit mate
I don’t believe there is a requirement for you to like my handmade jacket. I’m 90 % sure I’m not gonna like your shoes, but that’s not exactly essential information for the world to know.
@@MarkWildman sorry Mark didn't mean to upset you my son, my shoes are absolutely FANTASTIC mate don't know why you're getting personal
It seems like you probably didn’t need to inform me of your distaste for my jacket but you did go out of your way to do it. I’m not sure what essential information you are trying to convey. And based on the sentence structure of your comment, I know very well where you are from and so it seems only logical to extend my thoughts on your shoes. It’s not personal. It’s just continuing the idea you started of conveying thoughts which don’t really have a purpose. Cheers mate.
@@MarkWildman lol I love you, Americans are the best, keep up the good work brother I was only pulling your plonker
Copy. Cheers mate. Stay strong. Maybe I’ll start wearing my Uk clothes in vids to make them appealing to my audience across the pond. Be well.