@@Teddyrobinson I've seen two different PvPs in the past two months or so. Both Bo5s. Don't remember all the players, I think Zest vs MaxPax and Parting vs . Both of these Bo5s went into the ace match (ended 3-2) and both were between 33 and 35 minutes long. It was crazy stuff like - one player cannon rushes while the other proxy void rays, cannon rush is successful but the probe that built the proxy stargate also builds a nexus and recalls all the probes from main - proxy gate in the middle of the map (Lightshade) where Zest barely even hides it and later even leads his opponent's probe into it - proxy void ray with shield battery right under the fucking ramp of your opponent's natural - early aggression where both players plant down shield batteries near a walloff and somehow try to kill the opponent Very fun to watch (for me anyway) but also a little disappointing that when a player decides to expand and play the long game, he just loses like three minutes later.
As much as Protoss is OP, that 2nd game is entirely on Clem. That moveout was absurd, and the insta-win solution when you see your opponent on 2 bases in that situation is to build a depo wall at the natural and kite with max bio range to trade well vs the adepts (don't allow the shade ability to become a factor at all).
Don't suicide run out and poke the adepts, wall off the natural, build a tank. Two base protoss push, you turtle up a bit with unit builds not a 3rd CC until you got medivacs and mines.
zest was shading in contastly to check how much unit Clem has. Spending minerals on a factory would have given him a lesser unit count earlier and Zest would have finished him off, or force a lift off from his natural.
Clem is actually pretty low in tournament earnings and heromarine is far ahead of him. And with all respect to heromarine, my favorite Terran Clem anyways
Honestly, if adepts got the same treatment that reapers did back when people used them actively to rush down others, things would improve a lot. Just... Make them a mostly irrelevant scouting unit, rather than a massive threat at all times.
Just because a 2 base timing gets scouted doesn't suddenly mean "AHAH! I see you! Now your attack does nothing!". You kinda have to respond to the information which Clem notably didn't do. It's not really a cheese, either. He had comparable worker production and was actively teching up(robo) during all of this. Not even Zest thought Clem was that stupid/over-confident until the last shade. Another fun fact: Terrans also have a 6~ minute tank/bio timing that doesn't care if it gets scouted early.
We know which Zest showed up: the one who has a date with his opponent's mom in a tight 15.
Lmfao
And she promised him something special if he could get it done in under 17 minutes....
Definitely Jacket-off Zest, that's for sure.
Other top players: _
winter: "the best terran player in the world! "
Zest: " LMAO"
Clem should have taken a page out of florencio s book of cheese and built a planetary at his natural.
Flo is that annoying guy you never want to play hes not even good
Zest: "I don't have time for this."
Zest during last game:
more adepts > less adepts.
something I appreciate about Winter's vids: he lets the genuinely great music blast
"Parting comes up with builds when he's blackout drunk. Wakes up the next morning, looks at his replays and takes notes."
'When Starcraft is ashes, you have my permission to laugh' - Zest, probably
some days Zest has a date with your mom and needs the money for flowers
Lmao, did winter just cast for the first time in centuries one of the already rare protoss wins? Easter miracles folks.
Winter has been complaining that Terrans are not getting punished for going 3 CC; well, Zest has heard his prayers and has answered.
wtf, a Bo3 in 14 minutes, no matter which way this goes, it will be explosive.
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This is peak Protoss play. I am speechless and amazed
*Sees video length*
Oh, so is this just one game?
*It's a Bo3*
Oh...
A 15 minute Bo3? God damn. That is really fast
Still almost twice as long as the average PvP.
@@skewCZ IS PvP super fast these days?
@@Teddyrobinson I've seen two different PvPs in the past two months or so. Both Bo5s. Don't remember all the players, I think Zest vs MaxPax and Parting vs . Both of these Bo5s went into the ace match (ended 3-2) and both were between 33 and 35 minutes long.
It was crazy stuff like
- one player cannon rushes while the other proxy void rays, cannon rush is successful but the probe that built the proxy stargate also builds a nexus and recalls all the probes from main
- proxy gate in the middle of the map (Lightshade) where Zest barely even hides it and later even leads his opponent's probe into it
- proxy void ray with shield battery right under the fucking ramp of your opponent's natural
- early aggression where both players plant down shield batteries near a walloff and somehow try to kill the opponent
Very fun to watch (for me anyway) but also a little disappointing that when a player decides to expand and play the long game, he just loses like three minutes later.
@@skewCZ Damn, that's crazy! I wonder if protoss is the cheesiest race in general. I tend to really like watching cheese games so
Love that Zest player card.
When your opening hand is all fucks and 1 zest.
"Permeating", "intruding upon", "gracing". Winter has all the best words. Linking and subscribing since 2019 at least.
One of my favorite matches in recent memory. I was saying wtf the whole time
I should ask my mom how that date went
Clearly Clem didn't adapt enough to Zest's build. Zest on the other hand adepted a lot...
Zest: You what? He thinks I'll build probes at some point. And that is where he will be badly wrong.
Holy, that first game! That was a textbook demonstration.
@winter Yes, this is parting's 5 adept pressure build. It sets up to hit at 3:18 in game 2
Harstem made a video about this build
s p e e d r u n
Day 46 of asking Winter to finish the 10 year achievements.
Psychopath vs Cleme de la creme. Who will win?
Day 23 keep it goin'! I may not be as dedicated as you towards this but I certainly still want it!
As much as Protoss is OP, that 2nd game is entirely on Clem. That moveout was absurd, and the insta-win solution when you see your opponent on 2 bases in that situation is to build a depo wall at the natural and kite with max bio range to trade well vs the adepts (don't allow the shade ability to become a factor at all).
Well, that escalated quickly.
maybe make even one tank in the second game?
That's a gold split right there.
RTA, ready t go out with the ladies
Zest was actually just playing the "I Win" game
Zest made his date
how ironic it is... zest is finishing his opponent at 15 mins and will be using the prize money to date his opponent's mom... after the game...
Clem the best? TY and Maru would like a word
Starcraft: gateway units bad.
Zest: but what if gateway units good?
Hasn't this been uploaded before?
Wow
Harstem made a vid about this build
god i fucking love zest
Ah yes the Adept Printer™
zest needed to cheese because he knows that he wont take clem in a macro game
Quick series. Blink, and you'll miss it.
This game seems balanced.
VI VA LA FRANCE
So... On game #2, what should Clem do to stay alive?
More bunkers
wall off the ramp with tanks
Don't suicide run out and poke the adepts, wall off the natural, build a tank. Two base protoss push, you turtle up a bit with unit builds not a 3rd CC until you got medivacs and mines.
Bo3 in less than 15? Dang boi
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the crazy thing is i have no idea what clem did wrong
how about getting a siege tank instead of marauders and concusive shell? blocking of the natural entrance with depo + 2 extra bunkers?
Zest makes it look as if he is not even putting much effort into the game.
Zerg imba!
One or two tanks would've shut both of these rushes down like lmao.
zest was shading in contastly to check how much unit Clem has. Spending minerals on a factory would have given him a lesser unit count earlier and Zest would have finished him off, or force a lift off from his natural.
Hi Winter,
I love that you made a shorter video. The main reason I watched it. More videos of this length please.
What does Clem do in that second game O.o
either build more units or build a wall
well that happened, protoss imba I guess? lol
lol, protoss XD
>Any metrics
I mean Raynor is the world champ right now.
Reynor despite what the name might imply, does not play terran..
I thought he said the best player in general not best terran.
Protoss is so disgusting. There is no punishment for failure.
Clem is actually pretty low in tournament earnings and heromarine is far ahead of him. And with all respect to heromarine, my favorite Terran Clem anyways
What was that lmao?
Bruh
first bb
Clear proof Protoss is badly OP. You can beat the world’s best player with cheese even when its scouted.
protoss is broken.
Honestly, if adepts got the same treatment that reapers did back when people used them actively to rush down others, things would improve a lot.
Just... Make them a mostly irrelevant scouting unit, rather than a massive threat at all times.
Just because a 2 base timing gets scouted doesn't suddenly mean "AHAH! I see you! Now your attack does nothing!". You kinda have to respond to the information which Clem notably didn't do.
It's not really a cheese, either. He had comparable worker production and was actively teching up(robo) during all of this. Not even Zest thought Clem was that stupid/over-confident until the last shade.
Another fun fact: Terrans also have a 6~ minute tank/bio timing that doesn't care if it gets scouted early.
game is completely broken trash
Explain yourself, please, Protoss is statistically winning the least.