IJN wants their historically accurate stealth torps back. WG then gives them to Pan Asian Line... Not to mention the T10 Pan Asian DD - looks like a gearing... So coupling excellent firepower with the stealthiest torps in game. sigh*
Hope you keep this series going, and cover other Tiers. Though I'm not at tier X yet, I have gotten better in fighting DDs in a DD...depending on what it is that I'm fighting, how damaged it is and other factors. This is thanks to you.
Hey Notser. Love the vids, really do. What I’d like to se with these is a comparison at the end where it’s all dd’s with top in each class highlighted. Or in each section them sorted by best to worst. Found it a strain to read and re read the stats to figure out the order. Just some constructive feedback. But keep doing them. Always enjoy you videos much to the frustration of my wife. Haha
This will be very useful , as you know the best way to learn the strength's and weaknesses of different ship type's and line's is to have experience playing them but to know the in's and out's of every class and line take's a looong time , So this is the next best thing.
Perfect video for everyone and destroyer captains especially, thank you so much for the video! Do you know whether or not anything's changed that would impact these destroyers?
Everyone always says to use the AP on Z52 and German DDs on broadside DDs. Yeah, it works great on the Khab and Gearing, but other DDs it just seems to overpen them.
Nice video!Pure skills and experiences.But what if WG updates any stats after a video is made?Thankfully the chance is very rare ,I guess.I am a BB player and I often have troubles how to play a map well when facing certain situation,or make a plan at the start.Maybe it is just a region thing.I do however found some patterns within some low tier maps.Like,if I go this side using this ship,chance of my winning is very high.
I want to believe that they will remove that radar on Pan asian DDs, Germans already have that counter power with hydro it is hurting IJN dds life already. Anymore power creep and IJNs are as good as removed from the game.
Akalin-sama, I have started playing world of warships about six months ago.I have heard some sad stories of neglect by WG, for the Japanese. sad. I am a really poor player so my skill set can't make up for the deficiency of the entire IJN warship lines. I am not able to play these ships at any level worthy of them. Probably should have been born British or German.
The IJN torpedo-boat DDs suck, but I still love my Yamato. Also my Zao, which I just unlocked yesterday. The good IJN DDs are the Akizuki, Harekaze, and Minekaze. All the others are not worth even playing. Shiratsuyu used to be fun before WG nerfed it into the ground.
me personally my Grozovoi had defensive fire on it instead of speed boost but then again again it also has i think a 88 aa rating. I have also gotten 2 clear skies in that same boat as well
So wait up. Sumner will get best concealment, radar further than the conceal, amazing torps, and the exact same (maybe better than because of conceal) guns than the Gearing and basically the same aa? Notser, are there any flaws with this ship? Have I been wasting my entire DD career in the USN line?
Hinden is the most defensive CA, whereas the others are insanely aggressive. You can use it aggressively, but not as well as you could a Moskva or Henri or even Minotaur.
Only keeping IJN DD line in case of specialty missions or the like. You'd convinced me to try them again.. now? Why spend extra time & credits, now WG has done this?
Thanks Notser... sad to say my only tier 10 DD at the moment is the Gearing... i may reconfigure my 19pt captain before clan battles begin just to try and get the most effective clan battles loadout
Sooo Pan-Asian DDs... best in class concealment, USN like fire power, IJN like torps AND radar? Seems perfectly balanced to me. Guess it's decided which line I should play next.
As a Ign DD-player I feel so let down from all the nerfs and bullshit about the line being too powerful. It's a struggle to land torpedo hits in the shimakaze and whatever else one does will risk leading to a quick death to every other DD. Give back their former power!
Just being shown these numbers makes me so frustrated that the ijn DDs are weaker than all the other DDs. Sure the torpedoes do a lot of damage. But that's all they have, everything else is weaker.
90% of the problem is the passive meta, early game is usually DD vs DD and shima just stands no chance at that. Sure, sometimes you have to deal with a Mino or DM, but most of the time is dd vs dd. Shima will never be good at this, but I'll be very mad if they make the Pan-Asian torps as powerful as they want them to, while leaving ijn dds in the dirt. I honestly don't blame Shimas for avoiding caps... Unless I'm actually trying to support them ofc.
We had a Conqueror on our team that was deleted by these new DWTs. He said he saw them at or below 1km and was hit with 6 of them. They deleted him instantly from full HP to zero.
After seeing this video, I guess I will have to go to a different DD line from the IJN line I was working on. Too bad it is so bad. Guess it's one of the reasons we lost the war. Now the IJN cruisers and battleships are all inferior to all other lines. Sad day for us Japanese. How to I change my nationality to British, lol
Margret Fortune sadly the IJN DDs are just not what they were last year, it used to be the case that you could have monster games punishing battleships that sailed in straight lines or camped the back of the map but they have been nurfed both directly and indirectly so much they are a shadow of what they used to be. As for the British bbs better do the same as me and grind them fast before they get nurfed too ( although I admit being British myself it's fun to have a OP ship that's British for at least a little while)
They would be balanced instantly if they gave them the stealthiest torps again... But nope instead they give that to Pan Asian DDs... Biggest FUCK YOU ijn dds I've seen in a long time...
In the current iterations they will have radar from T8 to T10, lasting 10, 12 and 15 sec for each tier with a range similar to Black (if im not mistaken).
I don't think I'm too decent lol... I play once every couple of week, non premium... I think I play well, with better than 50% win rates and a positive K/D and play the objective. But... don't play often like I said, non premium so less XP no premium ships... But that's ok. I play casually.
Yeah I am just very slowly playing through the lines and all the ships aside form CV's some bad ships hurt me some good ships hep me... T8 I always get dumped into T10 games and it's a hard slog just to survive long enough to shoot anything. I think mine is close to 60% but I can't be bothered looking lol.
well i also play CVs and i can help u do well with them. i can also give u advice with ships u r having difficulties with. well sometimes i actually get top xp in T8 vs T10 games, it just depends if u know how to maximize your ship potential and how to play it well. of course many times ill still lose because team drags me down SO HARD.
When it's about the comparison of the ships, even only with the focus on one system, for example guns, at a time you should really include all stats, like HE/AP/Torp damage, speed for the torps etc. Yes, it will need more space and show less of the replay, but in this kind of vid that part is almost irrelevant.
Awesome vid notser but I am disappointed in Hsingyang I think it's a bit too much of everything. If it was balanced like I want it it shouldn't even stand a chance against destroyers at all if it sees one it should just run.
It is complete and utter BS that they are introducing this Pan-Asian line!!! Deep-water torps are such a gimmick. On top of it the Pan-Asian Tier X is an Allen M. Sumner class; the Gearing was an improved Sumner so, how in the hell is the Pan-Asian Sumner better than the Gearing in pretty much every category of stats?????? This is supposed to be a WW2 and prior game! The power creep is bad enough as it is with 1950s, nearly 60s ships. WG needs to quit trying to appease everyone on the Asian server, seeing the money making opportunities and save this game from being corrupted! If your country never had a Navy worth mentioning and you want to cry about the fact that your nationality isn't represented in WOWS, then get over it or find another game to play!!! Simple as that...
Joshua Chalmers I'm fine with the Pan-Asian destroyer line being created but they're wayyyy too OP right now. A lot of nations bought ships from the US or the USSR and these ships should be represented as premiums or occasionally full lines, it's just that WG insists on incessant powercreep which just ruins this game.
IJN DDs are the weakest because their guns suck and the torps, while have good damage are seen to easily and have the longest reload. Improve the concealment by 4-5 km minimum. Cut IJN Torp damage by 1/3 but reduce their reload to 50 seconds or less at high tier like the Zakamashi. It should help them do more consistent damage. It looks like a nerf enough that WG might do it.
Reducing the detectability of the torps to somewhere in between the pre-nerf and current range would be a nice compromise. For what its worth, I still see a ton of IJN DDs in 6-8 matches.
Notser is so funny in a bemusing way. Paraphrasing. 'Why is the Khabarovsk different with it's 50 mm armour that means you actually have to aim when using HE. What was WG thinking?' Then... 'The concealment on everything (apart from the Khabarovsk) is almost identical. What was WG thinking?' Doesn't matter what WG does, strive for sameness or uniqueness, it's wrong.
I really liked this video! Its nice to have them all put up next to eachother, I hope you will do a match-up for the rest of the classes!
IJN wants their historically accurate stealth torps back.
WG then gives them to Pan Asian Line...
Not to mention the T10 Pan Asian DD - looks like a gearing... So coupling excellent firepower with the stealthiest torps in game.
sigh*
Nots.. THIS. You seem to be in a good headspace in this video.. great 'tude, inspiring enthusiasm, and no bitter. Bravo, sir!
Hope you keep this series going, and cover other Tiers. Though I'm not at tier X yet, I have gotten better in fighting DDs in a DD...depending on what it is that I'm fighting, how damaged it is and other factors. This is thanks to you.
Hey Notser. Love the vids, really do. What I’d like to se with these is a comparison at the end where it’s all dd’s with top in each class highlighted. Or in each section them sorted by best to worst. Found it a strain to read and re read the stats to figure out the order. Just some constructive feedback. But keep doing them. Always enjoy you videos much to the frustration of my wife. Haha
That's slot of info to digest in 1 video. But I appreciate it. Nice work.
This will be very useful , as you know the best way to learn the strength's and weaknesses of different ship type's and line's is to have experience playing them but to know the in's and out's of every class and line take's a looong time , So this is the next best thing.
Great video, very informational and helpful. It will be even better if you could also compare the differences in equipment/upgrade/consumable loadout.
nice work Notser
Perfect video for everyone and destroyer captains especially, thank you so much for the video! Do you know whether or not anything's changed that would impact these destroyers?
Hsiang yang gonna kill DD so quick in close range..... it has same concealment as the yugumo. WG really give another big middle finger to the IJN dd.
Thank you for the content Notser. :)
Everyone always says to use the AP on Z52 and German DDs on broadside DDs. Yeah, it works great on the Khab and Gearing, but other DDs it just seems to overpen them.
when will we have murica CL line? anything news about it?
I'm interesting in their rapid firing 6 inch gun...
Mr. Notser... You forgot to mention that damn Khaba has HEALs!!!
I mentioned it but probably not as much as I should have
Great vid ! match-up is very good idea
So whats the point in playing the Gearing with the new Pan Asia DD line ? This is like the Conqueror is better than Montana for the most part.
love this... can u do for other class too?
Nice video!Pure skills and experiences.But what if WG updates any stats after a video is made?Thankfully the chance is very rare ,I guess.I am a BB player and I often have troubles how to play a map well when facing certain situation,or make a plan at the start.Maybe it is just a region thing.I do however found some patterns within some low tier maps.Like,if I go this side using this ship,chance of my winning is very high.
Notser will you do something like this with the other class in the future?
Will you do BB's next ?
Poor Shima, can still see the bruises from the nerf bat
First want to see Pan Asia DD line commentary .first time first.
can you do another video about tier 10 destroyers in 2019 ??
I want to believe that they will remove that radar on Pan asian DDs, Germans already have that counter power with hydro it is hurting IJN dds life already. Anymore power creep and IJNs are as good as removed from the game.
Nonono, let em keep radar, but give em 6km concealment and 6sec reload on guns. Not Gearing on steroids with supertorps and radar.
Please no sarcasm, WG doesn't understand it.
Sad is it not Akalin-san.
Mz Fortune Sadly it is
Akalin-sama, I have started playing world of warships about six months ago.I have heard some sad stories of neglect by WG, for the Japanese. sad. I am a really poor player so my skill set can't make up for the deficiency of the entire IJN warship lines. I am not able to play these ships at any level worthy of them.
Probably should have been born British or German.
The IJN torpedo-boat DDs suck, but I still love my Yamato. Also my Zao, which I just unlocked yesterday. The good IJN DDs are the Akizuki, Harekaze, and Minekaze. All the others are not worth even playing. Shiratsuyu used to be fun before WG nerfed it into the ground.
Need to compare gun sounds...I love those 128s on the Z-46 and 52.
More tiers, more classes, MORE math-ups
Remember Anakin’s wise words, “Hit it on the nose.”
haha yep
Please do an update with the new destroyers
What is your current gearing loadout?
That was very helpful!
me personally my Grozovoi had defensive fire on it instead of speed boost but then again again it also has i think a 88 aa rating. I have also gotten 2 clear skies in that same boat as well
So wait up.
Sumner will get best concealment, radar further than the conceal, amazing torps, and the exact same (maybe better than because of conceal) guns than the Gearing and basically the same aa?
Notser, are there any flaws with this ship? Have I been wasting my entire DD career in the USN line?
It is likely... WG doesn't give a fuck about older lines. They made USN BB line meaningless with British ones, and IJN DDs are total crap.
USN CV line has never been good since the IJN one.
The USN CA line is good, but countered by IJN, FR (kinda), UKCL, and USSR to an extent.
Well, Hinden can also put a fight with them. 12 shots per 8.8 sec is a bit scary tbh.
Hinden is the most defensive CA, whereas the others are insanely aggressive.
You can use it aggressively, but not as well as you could a Moskva or Henri or even Minotaur.
Really? Hinden is that defensive?
Only keeping IJN DD line in case of specialty missions or the like. You'd convinced me to try them again.. now? Why spend extra time & credits, now WG has done this?
great video!
Thanks Notser... sad to say my only tier 10 DD at the moment is the Gearing... i may reconfigure my 19pt captain before clan battles begin just to try and get the most effective clan battles loadout
Sooo Pan-Asian DDs... best in class concealment, USN like fire power, IJN like torps AND radar? Seems perfectly balanced to me. Guess it's decided which line I should play next.
Frozenstein Its no different with British BBs especially the T10
You say "don't touch the 20km torps" on the Shima, but unfortunately you don't have a choice as the 20s are her stock torps
Hubbadusk seems like your favorite....you say it enough
To compare torpedoes, Reaction Time is a great stat.
do you recommend IFHE on khabarosvsk Notser?
thegreekfirepower[WG-CC] No its not worth it.
Only increases penetration against certain cruisers. Does nothing for BBs and DDs
No, IFHE is too expensive for 99% DDs. Take it for the Akizuki and Harekaze 100mm guns only in my opinion
Great vid, keep them coming (Cruisers next please)!!
heyas Notser. just wanted to mention my New Orleans shattered HE on Khab. at 6km.
As a Ign DD-player I feel so let down from all the nerfs and bullshit about the line being too powerful. It's a struggle to land torpedo hits in the shimakaze and whatever else one does will risk leading to a quick death to every other DD. Give back their former power!
what iam i doing up this early.. thanks notser
Just being shown these numbers makes me so frustrated that the ijn DDs are weaker than all the other DDs. Sure the torpedoes do a lot of damage. But that's all they have, everything else is weaker.
90% of the problem is the passive meta, early game is usually DD vs DD and shima just stands no chance at that. Sure, sometimes you have to deal with a Mino or DM, but most of the time is dd vs dd.
Shima will never be good at this, but I'll be very mad if they make the Pan-Asian torps as powerful as they want them to, while leaving ijn dds in the dirt.
I honestly don't blame Shimas for avoiding caps... Unless I'm actually trying to support them ofc.
We had a Conqueror on our team that was deleted by these new DWTs. He said he saw them at or below 1km and was hit with 6 of them. They deleted him instantly from full HP to zero.
After seeing this video, I guess I will have to go to a different DD line from the IJN line I was working on. Too bad it is so bad. Guess it's one of the reasons we lost the war. Now the IJN cruisers and battleships are all inferior to all other lines. Sad day for us Japanese. How to I change my nationality to British, lol
Margret Fortune sadly the IJN DDs are just not what they were last year, it used to be the case that you could have monster games punishing battleships that sailed in straight lines or camped the back of the map but they have been nurfed both directly and indirectly so much they are a shadow of what they used to be. As for the British bbs better do the same as me and grind them fast before they get nurfed too ( although I admit being British myself it's fun to have a OP ship that's British for at least a little while)
They would be balanced instantly if they gave them the stealthiest torps again...
But nope instead they give that to Pan Asian DDs...
Biggest FUCK YOU ijn dds I've seen in a long time...
I love my Z52 personally i think it's the best T10 DD because it goes really well with my really aggressive play style
w8 did i hear this correctly? the pan asian tX will have radar?
In the current iterations they will have radar from T8 to T10, lasting 10, 12 and 15 sec for each tier with a range similar to Black (if im not mistaken).
Well, they have that in exchange for having the reused Old IJN.... sorry, deep water torpedo, which will hit every class except DD. ;)
tbad flamu already did this for DDs and cruisers
which dd line is your fav noster
German :)
Good guide maybe make 1 for cruisers too ..
We need tier 10 BB matchup... And then CVs when enough nations get them.
Question: Is it possible to upgrade a captain to have all skills?
Abdhulla Washiu no
Max point for a captain is about 18 or 19
The Legendary Dumb its 19
Watching this because I'll never have a T10 I think.
i have most T10 in the game and i played less than 7000 battles...it means u can probably get 2 per 1000 battles if u r decent
I don't think I'm too decent lol... I play once every couple of week, non premium... I think I play well, with better than 50% win rates and a positive K/D and play the objective. But... don't play often like I said, non premium so less XP no premium ships... But that's ok. I play casually.
i also never paid for the game but im doing more than decent with 62% winrate.
if u want i can help u improve.
i just do first wins when i can...
Yeah I am just very slowly playing through the lines and all the ships aside form CV's some bad ships hurt me some good ships hep me... T8 I always get dumped into T10 games and it's a hard slog just to survive long enough to shoot anything. I think mine is close to 60% but I can't be bothered looking lol.
well i also play CVs and i can help u do well with them. i can also give u advice with ships u r having difficulties with.
well sometimes i actually get top xp in T8 vs T10 games, it just depends if u know how to maximize your ship potential and how to play it well. of course many times ill still lose because team drags me down SO HARD.
When it's about the comparison of the ships, even only with the focus on one system, for example guns, at a time you should really include all stats, like HE/AP/Torp damage, speed for the torps etc. Yes, it will need more space and show less of the replay, but in this kind of vid that part is almost irrelevant.
I play dd all the time. My average damage from guns ranges from 300 to 500. I have never gotten top damage ever in hundreds of games
harugumo!??!?
Please make a video, " RN BB with IFHE " thanks..
they dont need IFHE because its penetration value is 1/4 like for germans =)
What an original and funny comment, you should consider becoming a comedian.
Awesome vid notser but I am disappointed in Hsingyang I think it's a bit too much of everything. If it was balanced like I want it it shouldn't even stand a chance against destroyers at all if it sees one it should just run.
It is complete and utter BS that they are introducing this Pan-Asian line!!! Deep-water torps are such a gimmick. On top of it the Pan-Asian Tier X is an Allen M. Sumner class; the Gearing was an improved Sumner so, how in the hell is the Pan-Asian Sumner better than the Gearing in pretty much every category of stats?????? This is supposed to be a WW2 and prior game! The power creep is bad enough as it is with 1950s, nearly 60s ships. WG needs to quit trying to appease everyone on the Asian server, seeing the money making opportunities and save this game from being corrupted! If your country never had a Navy worth mentioning and you want to cry about the fact that your nationality isn't represented in WOWS, then get over it or find another game to play!!! Simple as that...
Joshua Chalmers I'm fine with the Pan-Asian destroyer line being created but they're wayyyy too OP right now. A lot of nations bought ships from the US or the USSR and these ships should be represented as premiums or occasionally full lines, it's just that WG insists on incessant powercreep which just ruins this game.
OP? lmao! Hardly
All said it looks like the Shima is a victim of power creep. It's a one trick pony, and now other ships are doing that trick as well or better.
PAN-A > RUS > KM > USN > IJN
Pretty much killed whatever desire I had to continue the Japanese lines. What a joke.
Could you please do sth like this with Tanks in wot?
I could definitely take a look at it
They don't SUCC like Akizuki!
Khabarovsk is a cruiser though lol
so the conclusion is that the z-52 is the best dd and the shima is the worst dd
IJN DDs are the weakest because their guns suck and the torps, while have good damage are seen to easily and have the longest reload.
Improve the concealment by 4-5 km minimum.
Cut IJN Torp damage by 1/3 but reduce their reload to 50 seconds or less at high tier like the Zakamashi.
It should help them do more consistent damage. It looks like a nerf enough that WG might do it.
The gun caliber of IJN DDs are actually good... it's the traverse speed, reload speed, and gun placements that made them suck :(
I thought type 97 torps were O2 powered and were difficult to see do to small wakes and no bubbles? I guess not in game though.
Reducing the detectability of the torps to somewhere in between the pre-nerf and current range would be a nice compromise. For what its worth, I still see a ton of IJN DDs in 6-8 matches.
Notser is so funny in a bemusing way.
Paraphrasing.
'Why is the Khabarovsk different with it's 50 mm armour that means you actually have to aim when using HE. What was WG thinking?'
Then...
'The concealment on everything (apart from the Khabarovsk) is almost identical. What was WG thinking?'
Doesn't matter what WG does, strive for sameness or uniqueness, it's wrong.
I gave up on Shima. Its dead before second trop reload. Complete trash
Plez hurry and do a cruiser vid like this soon. Take ur time do it right...... but hurry
P.s. love the side by side stats bars for all ships... why has no one done that lol
Wow power creep with pan Asian dds...this is really concerning as a DD main
DD with US smoke and radar ? NO ! NO ! NO ! NO !!!
Lubos Soltes + Better Concealment
is it still relevant in 2019 ??