I'm at the stage of life where I can afford pretty much any bike I want. I've had Ducatis, Harleys, Guzzis, Suzuki sport bikes and a smattering of others. My current bike? '23 KLR 😝 I love the simplicity, versatility, low cost to own and maintain. At 60, I'm done with dragging knees on mountain roads and trying to impress people. Slowing down and enjoying the ride from now on. I'm happy.
Agreed. No longer impressed by the emphasis on technology and performance. I like to ride and see the world, so the GS1250 and H2 SX SE have gone and replaced by a Suzuki GSX1250FA. Smooth, simple, monster torque and devoid of superfluous technology. Cheap as chips, so if it breaks (they don't) just get another one.
100% right here☝🤘. I'm only half the age but while my first bikes were a 13 fat boy and 14 ultra limited, I couldn't stand the price and cost of maintenance with them so I moved to a 23 KLR and a 18 honda DCT (for days my arthritis is kicking my ace) 6 years later and I have had absolutely NO regrets to this day! Keep on riding and safe travels 🤘.
I'm old, have bad knees and a 29" inseam. The perfect trifecta. But I can handle my Rocket 3 with no problem. If you just erase all the facts about the bike and just focus on the riding experience, it can't be beat.
Wages are not keeping up with the Price of these Bikes. Same with Cars, especially Trucks, where 45K - 50K is is the average Price. It's more of a combinatrion of stagnant wages and the Vehicle Companies Ripping You off.
Actually, wages are keeping up with "inflation" overall www.brookings.edu/articles/has-pay-kept-up-with-inflation/ The bigger problem is that the motorcycle market is not really growing. www.motorcyclesdata.com/2024/11/01/united-states-motorcycles-market/ , and manufacturers are competing with one of the largest used motorcycle inventories in history (50,000 used motorcycles on the market as of this writing). No brand faces more headwinds for used bikes than Harley Davidson, where you can get a late model, low mileage cruiser for half the price of a new one, and since the pace of innovation at HD is very slow, you aren't really missing anything over a new Harley. I think many of the bikes that are not selling are simply the desperation of marketing to try to put out bikes that they think have some appeal and are unique enough not to be competing with used bikes, but mostly they are just ugly, overpriced beasts. Ducati will likely sell every Paginale V2 it makes, so it isn't the price that is keeping people away.
@@shenmisheshou7002 I don't disagree, but it's also the fact, that these smaller companies charge insane Prices for a Cruiser or "Niche" Bike. A top of the line Honda Gold Wing in 33K - the Harley Touring Bike (Road Glide) is about the same. The Honda is a better deal imo, since it has all the bells and whistles, and an Air Bag....too expensive in any case - at the end of the day, it's still kust a Motorcycle.
Maybe make motorcycles without all the electronic infotainment that takes away from the joy of just riding down the road. Note that Honda 300 dual purpose are selling like hot cakes and simple bikes like the dr650.
@@dantownsend4246 Those are the type of Bikes I like, MX and offroad Bikes mostly. I also like simple Street Bikes like the Royal Enfield Continental GT...RE's are dirt cheap compared to these Bikes.
This channel is just silly Ai generated & narrated information w/o context. 90% of the points raised are ridiculous points of contention, ie at 900 lbs this bike is too intimidating to newer riders, current stock is around 300 days. Yeah, no sh!t Sherlock, almost all bikes that sell over $20K USD sit for a long time. Especially now after a disastrous 4 years of inflation and supply chain issues.
Like so much of the rubbish on TH-cam lately. AI dribble with stock images and no real content makes me wish for an app that only supports original content creators.
@@JustinBurdick-b7h You don't know what you're talking about. I bought my 2003 Harley Electra Glide with 8K miles on it in 2009. I replace it in 2023 with a newer one of the same model. I had 135K miles on it. How are you doing? And by the way, I only won the high mileage award for each year at my local dealership ONCE.
I was getting that feeling too. But it was interesting looking at the bikes. I thought the Moto Guzzi looked pretty appealing, actually. I think what's hurting new bike sales is that a lot of folks are retiring from riding altogether and putting their bikes on the used market. I bought a mint 2012 Electra Glide Ultra Classic with 20K mules on it for $11,000 back in June '24. There's not enough appealing features on a new model to warrant the price difference. In fact, I like older generation better. It has more trim, a nicer paint scheme and chrome, and gauges too!
Being over 60 am a pensioner and my days of big heavy bikes are over. I bought myself a new Suzuki SV 650 at the beginning of the year after a long time away from bikes. The thing has been loads of fun and has been both cheap to run and own. Think any bike I’d be looking at today would have to be simple to live with would have to be fun, practical and run on petrol. Got no use for an overpriced, inefficient ticking time bomb looking for somewhere to shit itself after you spent half of your ownership charging the bloody thing. 😉😉😉
@davegoldspink5354 All I'm asking for is fuel injection. All the electronics are gonna be a nightmare 10-15yrs down the road. I love SV's. I still have a 07 Bandit 1250 but I modified it to my liking. I got it for 1200$ with a cracked fairing and 28k miles. Low tech I do all the work myself and besides being a bit heavy it's a hell of a street bike now.
Had an old shape SV650, written off few years ago, they are great do anything bikes. Not great at anything but good at almost everything. Cheap and easy services and MOT's, UK based, and cheap to run and good performance with the right tyres.
@dastreb4698 Hell yea I had a 2nd gen SV. I had a 954RR at the same time those were the days when every year are jaws dropped with new releases from Japan. Early 00's late 90's. I prefer that 650 v-twin over any modern parallel twin. It was easy to have alot of fun.
Too many expensive models that are no use to the market. Why do you think Chinese bikes, and Royal Enfields etc are selling like hot cakes because they're affordable. Bikes like Harleys/BMWs etc have priced themselves out the marketplace.
It is true! I bought a used Moto Guzzi for $2500. The new ones only offer a unrealistic price. They have done it to themselves. Where can a young person buy an inexpensive motorcycle to learn on? Royal Enfield is more reasonable.....Times are tight and most folks consider motorcycles optional. The folks that ride motorcycles every single day are few and far between. Every manufacturer needs a motorcycle that can go 50mph for under 3,000 and another that will do 100mph for 5,000. The inexpensive one to learn on and trot around town and the faster one for highway speeds and that trip on a motorcycle you always knew you wanted to take.
I understand this is in America, but gotta disagree with your assessment of the Rocket 3 GT. Its a great all round bike for everyday use. Use mine every day for work commutes and days out. Low speed handling is awesome for a big bike, even round busy UK towns. Hell of a machine.
The problem is the Rocket 3 is a man's bike. Not too many boys are willing to take their dress off and man up. People that's never driven a bike that has all the power you can take don't have a clue. Ignore their ignorance.
Ahhhh, Harley Davidson electric SHORT CIRCUIT. A worthless set of two wheels, with an over priced ticket for what is offers . Not too many folks with a family cant afford any of these overpriced bikes. The manufacturers have their heads in the can, they wish to please the stockholder than the customer. Keep this thought going they will go out of business. The cost to produce these bikes hasn’t changed it’s the CEOs that gets the big bucks for being stupid and losing potential buyers due to the greed of these companies. It’s much cheaper to produce an all blacked out bike than having some chrome and custom paint. The greed of these manufacturers will charge more for the all blacked out look. It’s a total turn off for the buyer to fully understand how they are getting screwed over and sales are in the toilet and models are collecting dust. Some dealers have 2022s still on the sales floor with over priced tickets above the MSRP due to the greed of these dealers. Customers are giving the middle finger to all bike manufacturers and dealers They need to come back to reality or go out of business.
Trying to sell weird bikes and bikes costing $20k+ is not a good idea. Who would have thought except anyone looking for a ride? In the end they're just toys with inherent limited practical use and no one wants to look like a dork.
I think it is desperation. The new motorcycle market in the US is more or less flat, and the biggest competition is the used motorcycle market, which it Harley Davidson's primary competitor. I think that some of these new bikes are simply last ditch marketing efforts to try to boost the brand and not be in competition with the used market because the used market doesn't have anything as hideous.
@@shenmisheshou7002Hideous, lol. Yeah, Indian and HD got some models that look like they got the front end of a bumper car attached to the fork. I'm actually considering a Moto Guzzi V7. It looks like a bike, is devoid of plastic bits, two easily accessible cilinder heads, enough torque, shaft drive and it doesn't break the bank. That's actually a lot of 'no nonsense' for one bike nowadays. BMW's r1250r is a bike I like but not for nigh on twice the cost of the Guzzi (if you want heated grips or any other extra's). But hey, like you said, a second hand deal actually is an option.
@@RenghisKhan It does give me pause to see what has happened to motorcycle styling. Either it is too retro, or it is too ugly. There area a few beautiful bikes out there, such as the Panigale V2, but for every really beautiful bike, there are two dozen ugly ones.
The local dealerships are full of minis and small play bikes and little else. The bikes we do want are not available, for example, the Honda 300 Rally has been a no show since it was first introduced. The only exception is the Kawasaki dealer and they are taking full advantage of the situation by discounting bikes and they are flying out of the showroom. I got a base model 2023 KLR last year for $5800.
Manufacturers ambition doesn’t match the rapidly shrinking wallet’s of their customer. In Britain the roads are no longer a pleasure to ride and the chance of theft is increasing by the month. Many of us are buying cheap Chinese and Indian bikes which aren’t as well built, but are affordable, reliable, have all the gadgets and fit into the modern urban dystopia.
Ducati will likely sell every Panigale V2 it makes in 2025. That means price is not the issue. Also, HD is competing more with the used market than with other brands. Why buy a new HD when you can buy a 6 or 7 year old low mileage used one in pristine condition for half the price? There are 50,000 used bikes on the market at any given time these days. The reality is that the motorcycle market in the US is more or less flat, and there is no growth. Motorcycle riding is not nearly as popular with younger consumers than it was 25 years ago. The fact that the population is growing and motorcycle sales are not simply says that people either don't want to ride motorcycles, or there are simply not motorcycles that appeal to them enough get people to feel that they need one. The only bike on the market today that I would consider buying is the Panigale V2. Most others simply don't appeal to me. Many are overstyled (which is a nice way of saying ugly) or put in a price point that is simply not something that people are willing to spend on what is essentially a luxury purchase.
I have been riding motorcycles since 1965 . I've owned many brands with many different cc's . The perfect day to day motorcycle for me would be a fuel injected 650cc with ante lock brakes and no other equipment . Other than changing the points , plugs ,condenser , oil and gas filter , tightening the chain the and doing required valve adjustments motorcycling can be fun again . In short , bikes have become overpriced and overloaded with too many gadgets . No longer fun to own and to maintain .
The Triump Rocket III is undoubtedly the best bike on this list and I ALMOST bought a 2024 but I could not justify pulling the trigger at $22,000+ dealer fees? B.s. anyway I dropped $4k on a beautiful 2008 Suzuki Boulevard M109R with 7k miles and to say that I am pleasantly surprised at what an amazing bike this really is, is an understatement
Notice that most of these are cruisers and super heavy bikes. The world is moving to smaller, lighter bike. I can't even see Honda CLF300 in flesh since it is introduced 2-3 years ago.
Royal Enfield makes some decent bikes and are a fraction of the Prices in this Video. The Continental GT for example. Granted the quality is not on the same level, but I would get an RE before these 20K-40K Bikes.
I chose RE for my last bike first because they're built for a little more abuse and 2nd, because the price is about what a bike should cost. The used value makes it easy to get into a "first" bike a little easier. But if you look at the number of models they put out (maybe not available in the US yet) and their encouragement to personalize, you'd almost think they want you to have a wardrobe.
The problem is cost, regulations, and unnecessary technology. Also, the cheaper finish on modern bikes. The flying fortress is the best bike on the list, but who can afford $22,000 for a cruiser?
I think this is a AI generated video. TH-cam is full of them. You can use AI to write the story, pick accompanying pictures, and generate the narration. I typically block these when I see them, which is what I intend to do as soon as I reply to this post.
I remember a day when the likes of BMW, and triumph built good looking high performance motorcycles, But they now look like over priced, overgrown toys, I have never met a true M/C lover who wants to ride an overpriced electric Bike, I know I don't and never will, The Guzzi, looked ok, But way too expensive, for the asking price I can buy a reasonable car and avoid the elements, The Ducati looks good, and it looks buyable, that is accept for the outrageous price!
Any manufacturer should know that nobody is gonna want a knock off of a Harley Road Glide/ Street Glide. As far as the Indian Scout bobber goes i guess everyone who did buy one lives here in the NY area because i see a ton of them. They look like plastic Sportster 883's
Harley Davidson have lost the loyal buyers with there push for bikes that just aren't what we as buyers won't , triumph have listed to the market and doing well
What I'd like to see from BMW is a bare bones R 650 or 750 RS 65-70 HP, runs on 87, with shaft drive, heated seats, heated grips and cruise control. Something that gets a realistic 70-75 mpg doing 55 on a 2 lane US highway. Yes full fairing and sell it for 11 to 12k. A really basic stripped down bike, no ABS, with wet clutch and hydraulic lifters.
I ride an old 2000 Night train on the road, and a 2020 KTM 300 XC off road. Was going to build my own v-twin hot rod but decided I would rather just have a bike to ride wherever so I went Beta 500 RS, got a 2024 for less than 10k, still expensive for a 'dirt bike' but I think I will enjoy this, and when I find places it's just little too hairy for, I'll go back with the 300 XC :). But to each their own, ride what makes you happy, spend the 40k if you have it, life is short, live it (that sounded totally stupid, but it is what it is)
Everything is getting too expensive… even houses. The wages of the most people do not keep up the marketprices. A motorcycle is most of the time a hobby and not a priority. Bikes are just getting to expensive. I have riden Ducati’s for over 25 years and now I am at a point where I find them too expensive. I bought a Ducati Scrambler 800, and whilst the cheapest Duck it is really fun ! Back to basics, no riding aids and very easy to ride. Not overpowerd ! Why do you need 200 bbp on the road ? The speed penalties are also a big issue… in Belgium where I live, there is a lot of control. We have to drive very slow and the fun is gone…
The fact that half these bikes cost as much as a new car is most of the reason they don't sell. In what's considered the golden age of motorcycles they were cheap and affordable. They've also overcomplicated the designs in an effort to prevent people from repairing them and keep up with ever tightening emissions standards. Quality has fallen off a cliff as well. Harley can barely keep their oil contained within the engine in the current day. I find more bikes from the last 20 years in junkyards than the previous 60. Mainly they're junked for hard to fix electrical problems and exceedingly expensive repairs for what should be simple fixes. Pretty much the same problems as the auto industry.
Yeah well, you know that hornet 1000 thats only 9k in the us? Amd only 10k for the sp? Thats 14k and 15k in the netherlands, and we're not even the worst, just look at the nordics. Getting japanese parts here is rediculously expancive compared to the east and north america, and ALL living expences are too high to even be able to have a roof over your head when you're on your own. If i dont have a home, how would i have a new bike??? Its 90's and 20's bikes for me. Not that those are bad..
Im just looking for a no tech 600cc half faired standard V4 for daily year-round commuting. 450lbs 70-90hp 65lbs of torque top speed of 135mph? For under $10,000
@davidlagno7717 Would love to try a 3 cylinder. I'll get Honda on the horn and tell them we want low-tech VFRs in every displacement with the gear driven cams.. Should start a petition...
AI voice over is too annoying to watch. I suspect the entire video is AI generated with stock promo footage pulled from the internet. And I expect to get an AI response to my comment thanking me for watching. The www is no longer filled with people
I really like the H-D Livewire...but in its current offering it still is not ready for prime-time imo. It has plenty of power. The range is way too short and to be close to practical it must have fast charge capability...all at a reasonable price. If these three "challenges" were corrected, I would consider it for sure. Range, how about 250 miles max so an everyday range @ 80% would be 200. Then you could max charge for those longer rides and still maintain good battery life.
i bought a very interesting Honda bike only made in Brazil and it's name is Pop 110i. so small, so ugly but imensely reliable. I can do about 59mph on 0.52 galon of petrol at a speed of 70-85km/h. it's amusing the questions I get asked. so far. As for the price, excluding fees for port legalization and import, I paid 1460 dollars 0km
Mopheads are becoming the choice for drivers of larger bikes especially and Honda, yamaha etc are introducing Mopheads with hight outputs 600cc and above with luggage racks etc. No shame here with such a choice I feel despite being a goldwing rider and considering a Triumph rocket 3. maybe not a good idea.
This appears to be an AI generated thing that seems very awkward, not very credible and full of mispronounced words etc - Harley "liv" wire. Not a very documented piece and that Guzzi is several years in the past at this time.
Moto Guzzi has modern clothes on an old lady, an absolutely ancient engine design. Harley CVO is the same. I will buy the CVO if they discount it $15,000.
@petebusch9069 I've owned 4 HDs, 2 Sportsters, and 2 FXRs. They were all purchased new from my friend. I'll likely never buy another new one. My wife got her MC license a few years ago, and we bought bikes we could both ride. We have two Honda Rebel 500s, two Monkeys, and one Honda Trail 125. I don't need a motorcycle with an engine more suitable for a car that will go 150 - 200 mph.
Of course people don't want these ugly mechanical monsters that are built for small minded men on an inflated ego trip. For decades my father rode a 1951 Triumph Speed Twin with a home built side car. At only 500cc and a reduction drive sprocket fitted it carried my mother and 3 small children covering 70,000 miles total. I wish he had not sold it.
I sell my motorcycles year ago then I bought RB & MTB Bicycles almost same cost with expensive motorcycles. After 30 years of motorcycle I'm done with of all of this noisy garbage & renewing their registration.
There are way too many brand models with ridiculous prices and spares prices, the manufacturers are hanging themselves, BMW and Triumph have set the prices for all manufacturers, thank you for f😂😮😮king the motorcyclists. Get your acts together and concentrate on quantity sales.
😅 If you had to charge your cell phone for every hour of usage... You'd be using electrified transportation. There is not an electric motorcycle option with value... And every electric car option is more expensive than it's counterpart in the internal combustion engine propulsion category.😂.... Tesla has proven that, Toyotas prove it as well... Every hybrid concept proves it... And worst of all are the hydrocarbon oil and maintenance requirements of electric windmills pretending to power the electric grid😅 Yep, motorcycles are the future 💣
Perhaps Trumps will put more money in your pockets. New bikes in Europe cost far less than they do in the US, and without all the additional fees your dealers put on them, like shipping fees.
Yes, I picked it up within to minutes. TH-cam is being flooded with 100% AI content channels, and I intend to block this one as soon as I am done with this response.
@@petebusch9069 I don't think it is TH-cam doing it. I think there are AI Content "factories" turning these out simply to make money. The software is pretty easy. You ask your AI tool to write you a speech on some topic and within minutes, you have your script for the video. Now, you ask AI to give you a bunch of pictures and videos related to the subject of the paper and now you have the video content (note that they almost always use still pictures or short clips). You get your script turned into voice over, select the pictures you want, and there you go. I really believe it is just AI factories making this stuff because it is cheap and fast to do.
@@shenmisheshou7002 Your probably right and would make sense with peoples fascination to sit back and provide nothing of value while generating cash. The amount of effort they put into this is amazing. Its all just a bunch of nothing and is really creepy.
@@nonyabusiness4151 I also own a gsxs1000gx, just to replace my Versys1000... Anyway sv650s is a great choice. When I'll be too old to master a 1000cc, I will probably get back to a vstrom650, the bike which gave me the most joy while riding... Sell your katosh before it breaks
@CaptainDangeax It will die long before my VFR. It is a good fun little bike though. Bit slow, gets pushed around in the wind, glitches. Been researching long for something with the SV650-S specifications... I actually saw an Sv650 for €600 and 5,000km today. Didn't investigate. That's on Autoscout in the Netherlands for anyone curious..
Wait a minute . . . If i lived in the US, i would surely buy a livewire first before buying other toys. Livewire is absolutely one of the prettiest bikes of aaaaaalll time.
I think everything about this channel says it is 100% AI generated. You can tell the AI to write you a story based on your theme, pick pictures for the story, and even do the voice narration. This channel screams AI generated content. I block these as soon as I see that they are probably AI, but I am having a hard time keeping up. TH-cam is getting deluged with this kind of content.
I'm not saying this to be funny, I honestly would rather walk BK n forth to work, (that's 6.2 miles away) than eeeeeever ride a Harley, that Harley is soooooo unreliable , I know if I walk when il get there, that Harley u can guarantee is Gona leave u stranded, somebody's Gona have to stop and give u a hand and who knows how much $ to get it fixed
I'm at the stage of life where I can afford pretty much any bike I want. I've had Ducatis, Harleys, Guzzis, Suzuki sport bikes and a smattering of others. My current bike? '23 KLR 😝
I love the simplicity, versatility, low cost to own and maintain. At 60, I'm done with dragging knees on mountain roads and trying to impress people.
Slowing down and enjoying the ride from now on.
I'm happy.
Great bike! Two up thru central america back in the early 2000s....great memories!!!
Agreed. No longer impressed by the emphasis on technology and performance. I like to ride and see the world, so the GS1250 and H2 SX SE have gone and replaced by a Suzuki GSX1250FA. Smooth, simple, monster torque and devoid of superfluous technology. Cheap as chips, so if it breaks (they don't) just get another one.
100% right here☝🤘. I'm only half the age but while my first bikes were a 13 fat boy and 14 ultra limited, I couldn't stand the price and cost of maintenance with them so I moved to a 23 KLR and a 18 honda DCT (for days my arthritis is kicking my ace) 6 years later and I have had absolutely NO regrets to this day! Keep on riding and safe travels 🤘.
I'm old, have bad knees and a 29" inseam. The perfect trifecta. But I can handle my Rocket 3 with no problem. If you just erase all the facts about the bike and just focus on the riding experience, it can't be beat.
@@Bybert-9ky Yeah?
Wages are not keeping up with the Price of these Bikes. Same with Cars, especially Trucks, where 45K - 50K is is the average Price. It's more of a combinatrion of stagnant wages and the Vehicle Companies Ripping You off.
I might also add they standardized features that should be options drives up the price takes away preferences
Actually, wages are keeping up with "inflation" overall www.brookings.edu/articles/has-pay-kept-up-with-inflation/ The bigger problem is that the motorcycle market is not really growing. www.motorcyclesdata.com/2024/11/01/united-states-motorcycles-market/ , and manufacturers are competing with one of the largest used motorcycle inventories in history (50,000 used motorcycles on the market as of this writing). No brand faces more headwinds for used bikes than Harley Davidson, where you can get a late model, low mileage cruiser for half the price of a new one, and since the pace of innovation at HD is very slow, you aren't really missing anything over a new Harley. I think many of the bikes that are not selling are simply the desperation of marketing to try to put out bikes that they think have some appeal and are unique enough not to be competing with used bikes, but mostly they are just ugly, overpriced beasts. Ducati will likely sell every Paginale V2 it makes, so it isn't the price that is keeping people away.
@@shenmisheshou7002 I don't disagree, but it's also the fact, that these smaller companies charge insane Prices for a Cruiser or "Niche" Bike. A top of the line Honda Gold Wing in 33K - the Harley Touring Bike (Road Glide) is about the same. The Honda is a better deal imo, since it has all the bells and whistles, and an Air Bag....too expensive in any case - at the end of the day, it's still kust a Motorcycle.
Maybe make motorcycles without all the electronic infotainment that takes away from the joy of just riding down the road. Note that Honda 300 dual purpose are selling like hot cakes and simple bikes like the dr650.
@@dantownsend4246 Those are the type of Bikes I like, MX and offroad Bikes mostly. I also like simple Street Bikes like the Royal Enfield Continental GT...RE's are dirt cheap compared to these Bikes.
This channel is just silly Ai generated & narrated information w/o context. 90% of the points raised are ridiculous points of contention, ie at 900 lbs this bike is too intimidating to newer riders, current stock is around 300 days. Yeah, no sh!t Sherlock, almost all bikes that sell over $20K USD sit for a long time. Especially now after a disastrous 4 years of inflation and supply chain issues.
Like so much of the rubbish on TH-cam lately. AI dribble with stock images and no real content makes me wish for an app that only supports original content creators.
Ehhhh ur just pissed with the facts that Harley suxxxxx! Hey it's ok alot of ppl love their Harleys, ppl that ride 5 miles a yr
@@JustinBurdick-b7h You don't know what you're talking about. I bought my 2003 Harley Electra Glide with 8K miles on it in 2009. I replace it in 2023 with a newer one of the same model. I had 135K miles on it. How are you doing? And by the way, I only won the high mileage award for each year at my local dealership ONCE.
I was getting that feeling too. But it was interesting looking at the bikes. I thought the Moto Guzzi looked pretty appealing, actually. I think what's hurting new bike sales is that a lot of folks are retiring from riding altogether and putting their bikes on the used market. I bought a mint 2012 Electra Glide Ultra Classic with 20K mules on it for $11,000 back in June '24. There's not enough appealing features on a new model to warrant the price difference. In fact, I like older generation better. It has more trim, a nicer paint scheme and chrome, and gauges too!
Keep all that electronic boolsheet ! Just focus on making a bike to enjoy and is relatively inexpensive
Prices are out pacing salaries.
Prices are outpacing common sense. No way I'm spending the amount on a motorcycle that can also buy me a brand new truck.
Being over 60 am a pensioner and my days of big heavy bikes are over. I bought myself a new Suzuki SV 650 at the beginning of the year after a long time away from bikes. The thing has been loads of fun and has been both cheap to run and own. Think any bike I’d be looking at today would have to be simple to live with would have to be fun, practical and run on petrol. Got no use for an overpriced, inefficient ticking time bomb looking for somewhere to shit itself after you spent half of your ownership charging the bloody thing. 😉😉😉
@davegoldspink5354 All I'm asking for is fuel injection. All the electronics are gonna be a nightmare 10-15yrs down the road. I love SV's. I still have a 07 Bandit 1250 but I modified it to my liking. I got it for 1200$ with a cracked fairing and 28k miles. Low tech I do all the work myself and besides being a bit heavy it's a hell of a street bike now.
Had an old shape SV650, written off few years ago, they are great do anything bikes. Not great at anything but good at almost everything.
Cheap and easy services and MOT's, UK based, and cheap to run and good performance with the right tyres.
@dastreb4698 Hell yea I had a 2nd gen SV. I had a 954RR at the same time those were the days when every year are jaws dropped with new releases from Japan. Early 00's late 90's. I prefer that 650 v-twin over any modern parallel twin. It was easy to have alot of fun.
Too many expensive models that are no use to the market. Why do you think Chinese bikes, and Royal Enfields etc are selling like hot cakes because they're affordable. Bikes like Harleys/BMWs etc have priced themselves out the marketplace.
It is true! I bought a used Moto Guzzi for $2500. The new ones only offer a unrealistic price. They have done it to themselves. Where can a young person buy an inexpensive motorcycle to learn on? Royal Enfield is more reasonable.....Times are tight and most folks consider motorcycles optional. The folks that ride motorcycles every single day are few and far between. Every manufacturer needs a motorcycle that can go 50mph for under 3,000 and another that will do 100mph for 5,000. The inexpensive one to learn on and trot around town and the faster one for highway speeds and that trip on a motorcycle you always knew you wanted to take.
People haven't got the money for toys anymore, and they are too expensive.
Stop loading ridiculous electronics on these bikes, go back to a basic bike that can be repaired on the side of the road.
Well... i have the triumph rocket 3gt storm and I love it! Use it in town as well. Incredibly easy to ride
I understand this is in America, but gotta disagree with your assessment of the Rocket 3 GT. Its a great all round bike for everyday use. Use mine every day for work commutes and days out. Low speed handling is awesome for a big bike, even round busy UK towns. Hell of a machine.
Come on, this is a nitch bike.
@@petebusch9069 how so? Plenty of them around in UK.
No it isn't way more advanced than your standard HD crap
The problem is the Rocket 3 is a man's bike. Not too many boys are willing to take their dress off and man up. People that's never driven a bike that has all the power you can take don't have a clue. Ignore their ignorance.
Yes but the price remains ridiculous, I have a 2014 Trophy SE ????
Ahhhh, Harley Davidson electric SHORT CIRCUIT. A worthless set of two wheels, with an over priced ticket for what is offers . Not too many folks with a family cant afford any of these overpriced bikes. The manufacturers have their heads in the can, they wish to please the stockholder than the customer. Keep this thought going they will go out of business. The cost to produce these bikes hasn’t changed it’s the CEOs that gets the big bucks for being stupid and losing potential buyers due to the greed of these companies. It’s much cheaper to produce an all blacked out bike than having some chrome and custom paint. The greed of these manufacturers will charge more for the all blacked out look. It’s a total turn off for the buyer to fully understand how they are getting screwed over and sales are in the toilet and models are collecting dust. Some dealers have 2022s still on the sales floor with over priced tickets above the MSRP due to the greed of these dealers. Customers are giving the middle finger to all bike manufacturers and dealers They need to come back to reality or go out of business.
Trying to sell weird bikes and bikes costing $20k+ is not a good idea. Who would have thought except anyone looking for a ride?
In the end they're just toys with inherent limited practical use and no one wants to look like a dork.
I think it is desperation. The new motorcycle market in the US is more or less flat, and the biggest competition is the used motorcycle market, which it Harley Davidson's primary competitor. I think that some of these new bikes are simply last ditch marketing efforts to try to boost the brand and not be in competition with the used market because the used market doesn't have anything as hideous.
@@shenmisheshou7002Hideous, lol. Yeah, Indian and HD got some models that look like they got the front end of a bumper car attached to the fork.
I'm actually considering a Moto Guzzi V7. It looks like a bike, is devoid of plastic bits, two easily accessible cilinder heads, enough torque, shaft drive and it doesn't break the bank. That's actually a lot of 'no nonsense' for one bike nowadays.
BMW's r1250r is a bike I like but not for nigh on twice the cost of the Guzzi (if you want heated grips or any other extra's). But hey, like you said, a second hand deal actually is an option.
@@RenghisKhan It does give me pause to see what has happened to motorcycle styling. Either it is too retro, or it is too ugly. There area a few beautiful bikes out there, such as the Panigale V2, but for every really beautiful bike, there are two dozen ugly ones.
I'd buy a Rocket 3 in a heartbeat if it came into an affordable price point!!!
The local dealerships are full of minis and small play bikes and little else. The bikes we do want are not available, for example, the Honda 300 Rally has been a no show since it was first introduced. The only exception is the Kawasaki dealer and they are taking full advantage of the situation by discounting bikes and they are flying out of the showroom. I got a base model 2023 KLR last year for $5800.
I bought the KLR in 2004.....4800. out the door...so they've been pretty stable over 20 years...exactly....
Manufacturers ambition doesn’t match the rapidly shrinking wallet’s of their customer. In Britain the roads are no longer a pleasure to ride and the chance of theft is increasing by the month. Many of us are buying cheap Chinese and Indian bikes which aren’t as well built, but are affordable, reliable, have all the gadgets and fit into the modern urban dystopia.
The Moto Guzzi MGX-21 is not even in production anymore since a couple of years.
What this video said to me is motorcycles are just way to expensive and the companies that make them dont care for what the consumers want
Ducati will likely sell every Panigale V2 it makes in 2025. That means price is not the issue. Also, HD is competing more with the used market than with other brands. Why buy a new HD when you can buy a 6 or 7 year old low mileage used one in pristine condition for half the price? There are 50,000 used bikes on the market at any given time these days. The reality is that the motorcycle market in the US is more or less flat, and there is no growth. Motorcycle riding is not nearly as popular with younger consumers than it was 25 years ago. The fact that the population is growing and motorcycle sales are not simply says that people either don't want to ride motorcycles, or there are simply not motorcycles that appeal to them enough get people to feel that they need one. The only bike on the market today that I would consider buying is the Panigale V2. Most others simply don't appeal to me. Many are overstyled (which is a nice way of saying ugly) or put in a price point that is simply not something that people are willing to spend on what is essentially a luxury purchase.
I have been riding motorcycles since 1965 . I've owned many brands with many different cc's . The perfect day to day motorcycle for me would be a fuel injected 650cc with ante lock brakes and no other equipment . Other than changing the points , plugs ,condenser , oil and gas filter , tightening the chain the and doing required valve adjustments motorcycling can be fun again . In short , bikes have become overpriced and overloaded with too many gadgets . No longer fun to own and to maintain .
The Triump Rocket III is undoubtedly the best bike on this list and I ALMOST bought a 2024 but I could not justify pulling the trigger at $22,000+ dealer fees? B.s. anyway I dropped $4k on a beautiful 2008 Suzuki Boulevard M109R with 7k miles and to say that I am pleasantly surprised at what an amazing bike this really is, is an understatement
Now that's a great ride!! good choice....and out performs most others....
The Rocket 3 is an interesting bike that needs to be restyled.It's hideous,just like the Harley Sportster.👎
Notice that most of these are cruisers and super heavy bikes. The world is moving to smaller, lighter bike. I can't even see Honda CLF300 in flesh since it is introduced 2-3 years ago.
Royal Enfield makes some decent bikes and are a fraction of the Prices in this Video. The Continental GT for example.
Granted the quality is not on the same level, but I would get an RE before these 20K-40K Bikes.
I chose RE for my last bike first because they're built for a little more abuse and 2nd, because the price is about what a bike should cost. The used value makes it easy to get into a "first" bike a little easier. But if you look at the number of models they put out (maybe not available in the US yet) and their encouragement to personalize, you'd almost think they want you to have a wardrobe.
Live wire tests show half the range you quoted.
CVO. $42K? I'll take 2. How ridiculous. My truck was cheaper.
Truthfully, all EV's, vehicles of a Fool's Paradise, are but a fanciful dream...a Wet Dream.
Missing was the most ridiculous, BMW R-18, a German tractor for short-legged bikers.
The problem is cost, regulations, and unnecessary technology. Also, the cheaper finish on modern bikes.
The flying fortress is the best bike on the list, but who can afford $22,000 for a cruiser?
Prices of many bikes are too high for the average Joe to afford - *ROYAL ENFIELD* will continue to be successful while they keep their prices down.
Most of these bikes look horrible, blame the designers for the slump in sales.
The content may be AI. It still points out the truth. About prices aren’t keeping up with wages. Only Lawyers and congressmen can afford a $42,000
So the US market is over saturated with cruisers and EV have limited range to attract a lot of buyers.. and a Ducati is hard to maintain.. No shit.
Why the picture of the Rocket 111
this is a usa video , the Rocket 111
sells in the UK and many other
countries, 2.5 litre sorted machine.
R.
I think this is a AI generated video. TH-cam is full of them. You can use AI to write the story, pick accompanying pictures, and generate the narration. I typically block these when I see them, which is what I intend to do as soon as I reply to this post.
@@shenmisheshou7002 Spot on. These AI generated videos are full of errors. Like showing a Triumph Bonneville halfway through the piece on the Rocket 3
During a visit to Paris, the most common BMW I saw was the CE04. Popular there but not in the USA. Different use cases.
No surprise. Bikes shown are to high. Especially if you live in America where our economy has been destroyed by liberal design.
The Rocket 3 GT is very manageable. Its dry weight is around 650 pounds with a low center of gravity.
Maybe, but it's not selling.
I remember a day when the likes of BMW, and triumph built good looking high performance motorcycles, But they now look like over priced, overgrown toys, I have never met a true M/C lover who wants to ride an overpriced electric Bike, I know I don't and never will, The Guzzi, looked ok, But way too expensive, for the asking price I can buy a reasonable car and avoid the elements, The Ducati looks good, and it looks buyable, that is accept for the outrageous price!
Any manufacturer should know that nobody is gonna want a knock off of a Harley Road Glide/ Street Glide. As far as the Indian Scout bobber goes i guess everyone who did buy one lives here in the NY area because i see a ton of them. They look like plastic Sportster 883's
Harley Davidson have lost the loyal buyers with there push for bikes that just aren't what we as buyers won't , triumph have listed to the market and doing well
What I'd like to see from BMW is a bare bones R 650 or 750 RS 65-70 HP, runs on 87, with shaft drive, heated seats, heated grips and cruise control. Something that gets a realistic 70-75 mpg doing 55 on a 2 lane US highway. Yes full fairing and sell it for 11 to 12k. A really basic stripped down bike, no ABS, with wet clutch and hydraulic lifters.
An interesting view of a motorcycle market that is alien to those of us in Europe
Qui in Abruzzo si dice "troppe accìse", troppo esagerato. La moto è nata per essere un trasporto snello, agile. Chi comprerebbe un TIR a due ruote?
I ride an old 2000 Night train on the road, and a 2020 KTM 300 XC off road. Was going to build my own v-twin hot rod but decided I would rather just have a bike to ride wherever so I went Beta 500 RS, got a 2024 for less than 10k, still expensive for a 'dirt bike' but I think I will enjoy this, and when I find places it's just little too hairy for, I'll go back with the 300 XC :). But to each their own, ride what makes you happy, spend the 40k if you have it, life is short, live it (that sounded totally stupid, but it is what it is)
Everything is getting too expensive… even houses. The wages of the most people do not keep up the marketprices. A motorcycle is most of the time a hobby and not a priority. Bikes are just getting to expensive. I have riden Ducati’s for over 25 years and now I am at a point where I find them too expensive. I bought a Ducati Scrambler 800, and whilst the cheapest Duck it is really fun ! Back to basics, no riding aids and very easy to ride. Not overpowerd ! Why do you need 200 bbp on the road ? The speed penalties are also a big issue… in Belgium where I live, there is a lot of control. We have to drive very slow and the fun is gone…
At this stage I can't imagine wanting anything larger or more powerful than my '16 FJR1300ES. It is comfortable, smooth and reliable.
yamaha don't mess around....That'll outlive you for sure...
The fact that half these bikes cost as much as a new car is most of the reason they don't sell. In what's considered the golden age of motorcycles they were cheap and affordable. They've also overcomplicated the designs in an effort to prevent people from repairing them and keep up with ever tightening emissions standards. Quality has fallen off a cliff as well. Harley can barely keep their oil contained within the engine in the current day. I find more bikes from the last 20 years in junkyards than the previous 60. Mainly they're junked for hard to fix electrical problems and exceedingly expensive repairs for what should be simple fixes. Pretty much the same problems as the auto industry.
The electric HD here in Hungary cost around $38,000!
For a bike that can hardly make 150 km with one charge.
Yeah well, you know that hornet 1000 thats only 9k in the us? Amd only 10k for the sp?
Thats 14k and 15k in the netherlands, and we're not even the worst, just look at the nordics.
Getting japanese parts here is rediculously expancive compared to the east and north america, and ALL living expences are too high to even be able to have a roof over your head when you're on your own. If i dont have a home, how would i have a new bike??? Its 90's and 20's bikes for me. Not that those are bad..
BMW should get their electric scooter in the next James Bond Movie.
That is all.
Just like auto's and trucks. Everyone played Richie Rich and everyone woke UP! Welcome to the REAL World!
Im just looking for a no tech 600cc half faired standard V4 for daily year-round commuting.
450lbs 70-90hp 65lbs of torque top speed of 135mph?
For under $10,000
Your beat for a V4 buddy. Maybe an Inline-3 but not 600cc. You better write the engineering depts a letter because we'd all love to see that
@davidlagno7717 Would love to try a 3 cylinder. I'll get Honda on the horn and tell them we want low-tech VFRs in every displacement with the gear driven cams..
Should start a petition...
I doubt you will ever get a "No Tech" V4 600cc.
V4's are not known for their simplicity
@jerzywoking1699 I know. It just stinks that every bike now has to have a babysitter on board. Plus you have to pay way more for it.
@nonyabusiness4151 I'll sign it. Tell the R&D dept don't waste a dollar on electronic tech and give us something for the ones who like it RAW
Agree on everything except for the Harley at the end. The only thing holding that bike back is price otherwise it’s a phenomenal bike.
Middle class buyer's inability to keep up with inflation, in addition to price gouging more responsible.
AI voice over is too annoying to watch. I suspect the entire video is AI generated with stock promo footage pulled from the internet. And I expect to get an AI response to my comment thanking me for watching. The www is no longer filled with people
Livewire has been a stand alone company for 2 years. It had no effect on Harleys bottom line.
I really like the H-D Livewire...but in its current offering it still is not ready for prime-time imo. It has plenty of power. The range is way too short and to be close to practical it must have fast charge capability...all at a reasonable price. If these three "challenges" were corrected, I would consider it for sure. Range, how about 250 miles max so an everyday range @ 80% would be 200. Then you could max charge for those longer rides and still maintain good battery life.
The dollar is worthless
The biggest misstep is the overpriced bikes!
A new Honda Goldwing in Australia, is $53000!
i bought a very interesting Honda bike only made in Brazil and it's name is Pop 110i. so small, so ugly but imensely reliable. I can do about 59mph on 0.52 galon of petrol at a speed of 70-85km/h. it's amusing the questions I get asked. so far. As for the price, excluding fees for port legalization and import, I paid 1460 dollars 0km
And I dig the Batmobile Bike from Moto Guzzi.
Mopheads are becoming the choice for drivers of larger bikes especially and Honda, yamaha etc are introducing Mopheads with hight outputs 600cc and above with luggage racks etc. No shame here with such a choice I feel despite being a goldwing rider and considering a Triumph rocket 3. maybe not a good idea.
I'll stick to my Hertiage Classic, great price and great bike. Yes I bought a new one in 2024.
The big Guzzi is long sold out. Even a used 1 is hard 2 find.
Scout Bobber surprised me.
This appears to be an AI generated thing that seems very awkward, not very credible and full of mispronounced words etc - Harley "liv" wire. Not a very documented piece and that Guzzi is several years in the past at this time.
WHY, just WHY are there infotainment systems on motorcycles.
Harley bent itself over with Corporate culture/ideology.
Moto Guzzi has modern clothes on an old lady, an absolutely ancient engine design. Harley CVO is the same. I will buy the CVO if they discount it $15,000.
Why buy a new one. My 2002 dl1000 still goes up to 230 has 93 hp on the wheel .
Yeah buddy!!! Love my 2005!!!
Ducati Ghost needs to take the title from Kawasaki year….with some specialized series
These bikes all have one thing in common. They're friggen ugly.
If I pay 42K, I better have two HDs in my garage......
That barely covers the cost of one, taxes, fees, loan interest, and accessories puts you at least at 50k
@petebusch9069 I've owned 4 HDs, 2 Sportsters, and 2 FXRs. They were all purchased new from my friend. I'll likely never buy another new one. My wife got her MC license a few years ago, and we bought bikes we could both ride. We have two Honda Rebel 500s, two Monkeys, and one Honda Trail 125. I don't need a motorcycle with an engine more suitable for a car that will go 150 - 200 mph.
@@jamesb.armstrong5433 Yeah, there's a ton of fun bikes out there, that's probably why I have 8 bikes.
@petebusch9069 I have a would like to have list.
Of course people don't want these ugly mechanical monsters that are built for small minded men on an inflated ego trip. For decades my father rode a 1951 Triumph Speed Twin with a home built side car. At only 500cc and a reduction drive sprocket fitted it carried my mother and 3 small children covering 70,000 miles total. I wish he had not sold it.
Here is the issue regardless of who made these. Be original, this remake trash talking over someone else's video.
I sell my motorcycles year ago then I bought RB & MTB Bicycles almost same cost with expensive motorcycles. After 30 years of motorcycle I'm done with of all of this noisy garbage & renewing their registration.
There are way too many brand models with ridiculous prices and spares prices, the manufacturers are hanging themselves, BMW and Triumph have set the prices for all manufacturers, thank you for
f😂😮😮king the motorcyclists.
Get your acts together and concentrate on quantity sales.
BMW needs to triple scooter range
A scooter’s not a motorcycle
😅 If you had to charge your cell phone for every hour of usage... You'd be using electrified transportation. There is not an electric motorcycle option with value... And every electric car option is more expensive than it's counterpart in the internal combustion engine propulsion category.😂.... Tesla has proven that, Toyotas prove it as well... Every hybrid concept proves it... And worst of all are the hydrocarbon oil and maintenance requirements of electric windmills pretending to power the electric grid😅
Yep, motorcycles are the future 💣
cars and trucks and motorcycles and trailers. the market have to crash before they change there ways. there put out a bunch of overprice junk.
I love my indian scout rogue.
Interesting but your video editing, jumps, 1-second shots, spins and fast zooms made me seasick.
Bicycles and scooters evs are the norm now
AI garbage, stopped at 9 seconds to leave a thumbs down, then bounce
The Leve wire, it's LIVE wire, AI fails again.
Perhaps Trumps will put more money in your pockets.
New bikes in Europe cost far less than they do in the US, and without all the additional fees your dealers put on them, like shipping fees.
Multstrada is not for amators...
So many ugly bikes out there ( 80%)
Bikes that can’t sell in 2025 it’s the 2 nd January did you go back to the future
AI generated crap, it can't even say the word "live".
Yes, I picked it up within to minutes. TH-cam is being flooded with 100% AI content channels, and I intend to block this one as soon as I am done with this response.
@@shenmisheshou7002 Me too. You Tube does a lot of these video's in an attempt to keep themselves relevant, too bad for them its not working.
@@petebusch9069 I don't think it is TH-cam doing it. I think there are AI Content "factories" turning these out simply to make money. The software is pretty easy. You ask your AI tool to write you a speech on some topic and within minutes, you have your script for the video. Now, you ask AI to give you a bunch of pictures and videos related to the subject of the paper and now you have the video content (note that they almost always use still pictures or short clips). You get your script turned into voice over, select the pictures you want, and there you go. I really believe it is just AI factories making this stuff because it is cheap and fast to do.
@@shenmisheshou7002 Your probably right and would make sense with peoples fascination to sit back and provide nothing of value while generating cash. The amount of effort they put into this is amazing. Its all just a bunch of nothing and is really creepy.
@@petebusch9069 I am not really creeped out by it, but the content is soul-less.
I'll stick to my Royal Enfield thanks. You can shove your fancy electronics where the sun don't shine, right alongside all your 'pie in the sky' ev's.
I should sell my sv1000s 120bhp. I just have no motivation
Looks like a great bike, not much to improve on.. 😅
@nonyabusiness4151 hyperpro fork spring, shock factory rear damper, brembo disc brakes, airplane brake hose... Nothing more to improve
@@CaptainDangeax You have me plotting to trade the Duke 390 I use for commuting, for a SV650-S. I don't need 1000cc for that..
@@nonyabusiness4151 I also own a gsxs1000gx, just to replace my Versys1000... Anyway sv650s is a great choice. When I'll be too old to master a 1000cc, I will probably get back to a vstrom650, the bike which gave me the most joy while riding... Sell your katosh before it breaks
@CaptainDangeax It will die long before my VFR.
It is a good fun little bike though. Bit slow, gets pushed around in the wind, glitches. Been researching long for something with the SV650-S specifications...
I actually saw an Sv650 for €600 and 5,000km today. Didn't investigate.
That's on Autoscout in the Netherlands for anyone curious..
Wait a minute . . . If i lived in the US, i would surely buy a livewire first before buying other toys. Livewire is absolutely one of the prettiest bikes of aaaaaalll time.
your images flash to quickly from one to another. painful to watch.
I think everything about this channel says it is 100% AI generated. You can tell the AI to write you a story based on your theme, pick pictures for the story, and even do the voice narration. This channel screams AI generated content. I block these as soon as I see that they are probably AI, but I am having a hard time keeping up. TH-cam is getting deluged with this kind of content.
I'm not saying this to be funny, I honestly would rather walk BK n forth to work, (that's 6.2 miles away) than eeeeeever ride a Harley, that Harley is soooooo unreliable , I know if I walk when il get there, that Harley u can guarantee is Gona leave u stranded, somebody's Gona have to stop and give u a hand and who knows how much $ to get it fixed
lost minute of my life. content created by loser and video created by ai.
Big surprise over priced butt ugly bikes don’t sell and electric ones that have no range go figure
Motorcycle are toys way to expensive to enjoy them cut the prices in half will sell everyone of them stop being hogs
Encore du charabia de voix synthétique complètement imbuvable. C'est grotesque.
Nonsense material told by an AI robo-voice !.