Bending Guitar sides by hand

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  • In this video you see me jointing the back, dimensioning the sides and above all bending the sides by hand on a bending iron.
    It takes me about 12 minutes to bend a side and fit it into the mold.
    Filmed with my Zoom Q8.
    All music is composed and played by me.
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  • @awdcgi
    @awdcgi 6 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    I may have watched this video a dozen times. I made a jig almost just like yours and just bent my very first side. The smell was really great! I felt surprisingly confident. It just have been from watching you work. Thanks very much for sharing your skill.

    • @advankuijk
      @advankuijk  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you Anthony and good luck with your first guitar!

  • @FriendM2010
    @FriendM2010 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    What a great video, a Master Craftsman in his shop ... How someone can take blocks and strips of wood and shape in this way is awesome .... Don’t let the material command you, you command the material 👍. A tree and Mr. Kuijk walk into a bar, only Mr. Kuijk and fine guitar walk out ...

    • @advankuijk
      @advankuijk  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I wish it was that simple Matthew

  • @AveryJamesDuncan
    @AveryJamesDuncan 7 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    this is amazing. awesome to see people do work by hand like this. keep up the videos!

  • @Greebstreebling
    @Greebstreebling ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you for sharing this, really nice to see a craftsman at work.

  • @truth-ig2um
    @truth-ig2um 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    the absolute best vid I've seen yet on this.thanks.

  • @mdub2000
    @mdub2000 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    wow its almost meditative to just watch the process...love it thanks

  • @keithneufeld9065
    @keithneufeld9065 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you for sharing this technique. I feel ready to bend my first set of sides now!

  • @grahamemes7772
    @grahamemes7772 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Thank you for this video and great tip with the board around the bending iron for keeping the sides level. I hope you don't mind me borrowing that idea 😊

  • @donchristianmusic9353
    @donchristianmusic9353 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Simply the best guitar building video I've ever seen.

  • @mikenotpublicgoogleinfo2880
    @mikenotpublicgoogleinfo2880 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank You so much. I really appreciate the sharing of Your knowledge and skill.

  • @theodoreesawjr.8352
    @theodoreesawjr.8352 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Absolutely Fabulous!!!!

  • @attilakovacs5803
    @attilakovacs5803 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Beautiful work! Thank you for sharing your knowledge!👍❤️

  • @Rich915
    @Rich915 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for the excellent Video. The timing is perfect as I'm getting ready to bend my 1st side set. Luv the platform...!

    • @advankuijk
      @advankuijk  7 ปีที่แล้ว

      good luck with it!

  • @juliodifelippo
    @juliodifelippo 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Beautiful work. I love it. Saludos.

  • @scottyhughes9179
    @scottyhughes9179 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    an excellent video, thank you!

  • @jackmaher4245
    @jackmaher4245 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video and nice to see old-school technique.

  • @SysadminsWithGuns
    @SysadminsWithGuns 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for posting this. I'm ready to bend my first set of sides, and seeing your approach gives me more confidence to try it. I very much like your clamping setup for gluing the halves of the back together.

    • @advankuijk
      @advankuijk  5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      thanks for your comment Dave and good luck with the guitar making process!

  • @davidlee2822
    @davidlee2822 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Sir, Having watched luthiers attempt to bend sides for many years now (25 years, or so) this is by far the most helpful video clip I've seen. You are a Master Luthier indeed. Thank you for letting those of us with less skill learn from you. With great appreciation, David Lee

    • @advankuijk
      @advankuijk  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      thank you for your kind words David Lee!

  •  3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Just to add my praise to those comments already posted - the table surrounding the iron is a brilliant way to control the side bends. Also just watched Chuck Morrison’s YT video with his iron projecting horizontally from the bench. You have inspired me to build a jig that combines both concepts 😁

  • @anthonycrostreet960
    @anthonycrostreet960 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Brilliant clamping method! I am more of a furniture/ cabinet builder and I have never seen this method before.

  • @johngeddes7894
    @johngeddes7894 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ad van Kuijk- This is a great lesson on bending sides and some fine points along the way. Seeing it done right will save me lots of time and mistakes I don’t need to make. I’ll be working with African Blackwood. It has to be right! Thanks a bunch.

  • @pinballrobbie
    @pinballrobbie 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Now there is a man who knows how to sharpen a scraper!

    • @stanleydenning
      @stanleydenning 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      I can make and sharpen a scraper. But, I can not make a guitar..... Yet.

  • @robertfields1964
    @robertfields1964 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    It looks and sounds very authentic!

  • @waltersguitars3336
    @waltersguitars3336 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice work!!

  • @dannyloppies3732
    @dannyloppies3732 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hier heb ik wat aan een rustig stuk vakwerk met uitleg en geen woord teveel! Dank je Ad.

  • @maintsgt3637
    @maintsgt3637 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Awesome! coming up in the next few newby task. Thank You for sharing!

  • @alkssmith9762
    @alkssmith9762 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Bravo!

  • @mecedes4000
    @mecedes4000 7 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I just subscribed. i really like your videos. Thank you

    • @advankuijk
      @advankuijk  7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks for subscribing and for the compliment!

  • @semicharmedkindof
    @semicharmedkindof 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wow! Thank you.

  • @StudiobaseNL
    @StudiobaseNL 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Mooi werk Ad, prachtig om je zo bezig te zien en erg leerzaam. Groet, Bart.

  • @trickity6172
    @trickity6172 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Amazing work and your music is beautiful!

  • @charleshuston7915
    @charleshuston7915 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for your video

  • @veradabronyi6147
    @veradabronyi6147 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wunderschönes, präzises Werk! Es war mir ein Vergnügen, Sie bei der Arbeit gesehen zu haben, danke und liebe Grüße aus Ungarn.🎸

  • @VAdu56
    @VAdu56 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Merci, et bravo pour cette vidéo ! cela montre bien comment s'y prendre si on veut "essayer" de faire pareil ! il manquera toujours ce savoir faire qui s' acquiert avec le temps et de nombreuses guitares ! belle démonstration !

    • @advankuijk
      @advankuijk  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      merci bien Vincent!

  • @kearnsguitars2236
    @kearnsguitars2236 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    thank you for this video. A lot of very useful info.

  • @riccardomoni3598
    @riccardomoni3598 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Bravissimo comunque...marvellous...magic hands👍❤

  • @andrewgalloway7344
    @andrewgalloway7344 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    stunning wedge and string technique ..copying that ...

  • @staffansvahn
    @staffansvahn 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for this enlightened video.
    Best wishes

  • @harikrishnan.g9276
    @harikrishnan.g9276 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Sir I am your great fan

  • @maddinlawrenz4682
    @maddinlawrenz4682 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wow, thank´s for your knowlegde sharing! How great to see to make it! And how beautyful the process to made a guitar, it´s really like, I will begin my first selfmade too!
    So my question, which wood is good to begin?

  • @57ffjjimenez
    @57ffjjimenez 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Excelente video,me ha sido de gran ayuda, al hora de juntar el fondo se puede poner un trocito de papel , en vez de encerar. muchas gracias.

  • @luthieriadegaragem3310
    @luthieriadegaragem3310 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    muito bom

  • @johnshredderputu3214
    @johnshredderputu3214 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice work and tools, i am a guitar builder too.

  • @beautifulveneer
    @beautifulveneer 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love the table and how it helps ensure 90 degree bends. Also using the side molds at the end to refine.

  • @luckym0nk3y
    @luckym0nk3y 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ziet er goed uit ad! Ik ben bezig om mijn eigen uke te bouwen maar ik heb weinig goed gereedschap. Het hout wat ik gebruik is pallethout (vrij poreus door droogte) het zal niet zo mooi klinken als een uke van €1000,- maar ik hoop er toch muziek uit te krijgen haha. Fijn weekend!

    • @advankuijk
      @advankuijk  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      succes met je bouwproject!

  • @green_building
    @green_building 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi Sir this is really meaningful video.. thanks for share your knowledge to all of us.. as i watch the video from 0 sec to the end.. I'm curious about the liquid you use for binding the wood on 14:45 is that just water or special liquid.. thankyou overmuch

  • @tritarn
    @tritarn 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hi Ad,
    Thanks for your good sharing,so i would like to know what type of your block plane. is it low angle from Veritas or not?

    • @advankuijk
      @advankuijk  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      it's a simple stanley block plane; my most used plane!

    • @tritarn
      @tritarn 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ad van Kuijk
      Thanks for your answer, i will purchase it too.

  • @andybowen1249
    @andybowen1249 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I remember reading about some Luthier that would use the hot water pipes in the building he was in.

  • @nsroman7272
    @nsroman7272 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    hey man! im also making a guitar.... and i want a sujjestion that what thing i used in my guitar instead of tunning pegs .....and very nyc vedio

    • @advankuijk
      @advankuijk  6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I don't understand your question, sorry! Either use pegs or machine heads.

  • @dustinkeller29
    @dustinkeller29 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you! Ok, now I'm off to make one myself.

    • @advankuijk
      @advankuijk  7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      good luck; work slowly and you'll do fine!

  • @vanylaskywalker
    @vanylaskywalker 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I noticed that the guitar shape drawing when the two top sides are glued together are not perfectly aligned, does it matter? How do you fix that? 24:48

    • @advankuijk
      @advankuijk  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      the wood is between 4 and 5 mm thick, so there is enough room for correction! I do that with planes, scrapers and sandpaper 150 220 grit

  • @CMRWoodworks
    @CMRWoodworks 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I enjoyed watching the whole process! I will be building a guitar soon and have been pondering how to make sure that I don’t bend the sides at an angle. Your table addition to the bending iron is great! Is that a wax pencil you are using when you mark on the wood where the corrections need to be made?

    • @advankuijk
      @advankuijk  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      thank you Chris for your positive respons. It's just a white pencil from the kids I use. Good luck with your first guitar!

  • @aussie3800
    @aussie3800 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Many thanks for your inspiration. Wonderful work! Could you please answer the question which planes (exact name and number) you've used in this video? Thanks in advance!

    • @advankuijk
      @advankuijk  6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I only use a simple Stanley blockplane, 18 cm long and 5 cm wide. I don't know the exact type number as I have it for more than 25 years!

    • @tateharmann3057
      @tateharmann3057 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      It looks like a Stanley (or Record) for the jointing too...number 7 maybe?

    • @advankuijk
      @advankuijk  6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      it's a stanley 7 indeed

  • @michellek5789
    @michellek5789 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I really enjoy your videos. I am just starting out guitar making and am learning a lot. That rosewood is amazing. Where did you get it from?

    • @advankuijk
      @advankuijk  7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Hi Michelle, thanks for your compliment. I do'nt remember where I bought the rosewood. It's been in my shop for many years. I think I handpicked it in Antwerp in a luthery shop called Pro Arte.
      Hope you keep enjoying my future videos

  • @ber7840gd
    @ber7840gd 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Dear Ad,Nice to meet you!
    Pardon with a question to you!
    Im also a guitar-maker , but I had been facing some problem.
    When I removing the more of thickness on rosewood,the wood will scratched up.
    The angle of the blade I using for is 40°.
    What is the degree(the angle of blade) you using for?

    • @advankuijk
      @advankuijk  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      I use a Stanley blockplane with a 21 degree angle. Maybe your plane is not sharp enough. Rosewood will make a blade dull within minutes; you have to keep your blade razor sharp.

    • @ber7840gd
      @ber7840gd 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ad van Kuijk
      Thanks for your reply.
      I will try it again.
      Best regard.

  • @HarmonieZvuku-harfy-kalimby
    @HarmonieZvuku-harfy-kalimby 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for sharing your skills it is much appreciated!
    I like the way of clamping backs, I will use it for harp backs, thank you!
    And about jointing wood by hand - yes you have control, and it is super silent and super meditative but the question is time :)
    So do normally just hand plane? Or do you use power planer/jointer?
    Thanks, Tomáš

  • @thomask.v3859
    @thomask.v3859 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    BEAUTIFULLY MADE.AND EXPLAINED .VERY NICE PIECE OF BACK AND SIDE.. IS IT BRASILIAN ROSE WOOD?NICE VIDEO. THANK YOU.

    • @advankuijk
      @advankuijk  7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank you Thomas. It is Indian rosewood of the very best quality.

  • @andrewhenderson6219
    @andrewhenderson6219 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Brilliant. Guitar making and playing. Have you more videos coming 🙏

    • @advankuijk
      @advankuijk  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      thank you Andrew Henderson for your kind reactions. I don't know about new vids. Perhaps....

    • @andrewhenderson6219
      @andrewhenderson6219 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@advankuijk . Any chance of a Transcription of your brilliant piece.?

    • @advankuijk
      @advankuijk  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@andrewhenderson6219 I have never transcribed it. I guess you mean the first song after the intro??

    • @andrewhenderson6219
      @andrewhenderson6219 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@advankuijk Yes great tune mate

  • @manbytheseas
    @manbytheseas 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    why did he put the "shaved" wood inside the water?

  • @eduardobedoya3928
    @eduardobedoya3928 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi..anyone here have the plans of an om or ooo acustic guitar?

  • @ozielhinojosa8458
    @ozielhinojosa8458 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey man where do you get your wood from? I'm looking for a place that can sell good exotic wood could you help me out plz

    • @advankuijk
      @advankuijk  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      The best wood I get from Madinter in Spain!

    • @ozielhinojosa8458
      @ozielhinojosa8458 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Is there like a website I can go to order the wood?

    • @advankuijk
      @advankuijk  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      www.madinter.com

    • @ozielhinojosa8458
      @ozielhinojosa8458 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks ☺ your videos are really useful! Keep up the good work

  • @dickiebrewer1232
    @dickiebrewer1232 ปีที่แล้ว

    How long to keep in the mold to cool the sides?

    • @advankuijk
      @advankuijk  ปีที่แล้ว

      the longer the better. I keep them in the mold till I use them! Good luck!

  • @augustosilva33
    @augustosilva33 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    poderia me dizer que cola é essa? fiquei espantado!!!

    • @advankuijk
      @advankuijk  7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I always use titebond glue!

  • @faizotp8764
    @faizotp8764 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Please add measurements and dimensions

  • @matrags
    @matrags 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Or just use a bending jig! Only joking, fantastic work.

    • @maddinlawrenz4682
      @maddinlawrenz4682 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Handmade is the best! And it´s further! Foerever, for me! Otherwhise, there isn´t a soul in the work!

  • @Kane-Roman
    @Kane-Roman 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    12 minutes! It took me 2 hours to bend my first side! 😂

  • @MrPetercreeve
    @MrPetercreeve 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Do all woods react the same

    • @advankuijk
      @advankuijk  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      no Pete, some are easy to bend and others more difficult.

    • @MuAlexJS
      @MuAlexJS 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@advankuijk Do you have any experience with bending Merbau? How easy is it?

  • @fueymanchoo1291
    @fueymanchoo1291 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    That's the step I missed at around 3:40. Heat the wood up and rub the side with swiss cheese.

  • @UsernameWasLost
    @UsernameWasLost 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ingenious clamping method for the back

  • @sapelesteve
    @sapelesteve 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great work as always Ad! Can I ask you where you picked up the bending iron & if it can be used to bend standard guitar sides? Thanks, Steve

    • @advankuijk
      @advankuijk  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you Steve. the bending iron is from Stewmac (Stewart Mcdonald) in the USA and can be used for all bending work!

  • @thijs199
    @thijs199 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    hey zomaar een gedachte he, gedurende het buigen, koel je dat metaal dan niet af, doordat je er eigenlijk steeds water op doet? Voor mij lijkt het gedurende het buigen dat het steeds minder makkelijk buigt. net alsof je je hem wat langer weer moet laten opwarmen?

    • @advankuijk
      @advankuijk  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      in het buigijzer zit een thermostaat die de temperatuur constant houdt. Het buigen gaat gaandeweg steeds langzamer omdat de marges van correctie steeds kleiner worden, dus je gaat steeds nauwkeuriger werken. Groeten
      Ad

  • @hidariitihiro
    @hidariitihiro 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    鉋で直線とったのにペーパーをなんでかけるか気になる!直線が取れなかったのかまかね(垂直)が狂っていたのか…

  • @sakthivelv1777
    @sakthivelv1777 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent! subscribed . do you follow any books? I am thinking do one.

    • @advankuijk
      @advankuijk  6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      the best book I have is :making master guitars by roy courtnall. TRy to get a copy of it!

    • @sakthivelv1777
      @sakthivelv1777 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ad van Kuijk I am thinking to buy cumpiano which cost 1/3 of courtnall. How does it differ from your method? You also good at composing. Thank you so much for videos and reply.

    • @advankuijk
      @advankuijk  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      cumpiano is a good book too, but coutnnall has plans of all the great builders inside the book, like Torres, Fleta, Hauser etc. His book is very easy to follow.

    • @sakthivelv1777
      @sakthivelv1777 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ad van Kuijk So cumpiano is very easy but courtnall has good plans. Which one do you recommend for a beginner for his first build? Sorry for disturbing you.

    • @advankuijk
      @advankuijk  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Courtnall is the easy book and with exceleent plans; buy it! You won't regret it.

  • @dalgguitars
    @dalgguitars 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Sanding after the shooting board? And all that wobbling while sanding? Not sure whats going on there. I thought the whole point of the shooting board was to get the joint right in the first place.

    • @advankuijk
      @advankuijk  5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      You're right about the shooting board. But sometimes you keep seeing some light thru the joint. That's when I sand a few strokes. It has always helped closing the joint. I've never had a failing joint in almost 30 years. It's my way and it works for me!

  • @mythicguitarcompany4826
    @mythicguitarcompany4826 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    me: Man, those strings aren't going to ho....ooohhh no shiiiitttt.....

  • @FedulovAtelier
    @FedulovAtelier 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    3.50 minutes - this wax?

    • @advankuijk
      @advankuijk  5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      it's just an old candle from christmas!

  • @stellingbanjodude
    @stellingbanjodude 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    That’s not at all like the way I bend sides. It’s funny how differently people go about doing the same thing and achieve the same results

    • @electricwally
      @electricwally 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      What method do you utilize to bend your guitar sides? Thank you.

    • @stellingbanjodude
      @stellingbanjodude 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@electricwally I use an electric heat blanket and I made a mold and I clamp the sides with the blanket into the mold

    • @electricwally
      @electricwally 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@stellingbanjodude interesting ... Thank you.

  • @jimgeorge6220
    @jimgeorge6220 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    There is 0 gained by not using a thickness sander. Ok after another five minutes of watching it has become obvious that you put way to much effort into this. My hats off to you for using rudimentary methods but for me ......I haven't got the time.

    • @jaxn13
      @jaxn13 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Gooood for you. I’d buy his guitar with all the passion and time he puts into it.

  • @Arnd2it
    @Arnd2it 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This one really made me laugh, "bending sides like they've done for centuries". Can someone tell me if they used 110 or 220 volt bending irons centuries ago? LOL

    • @arora_for_life
      @arora_for_life 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      That doesn't mean people didn't had Iron before. Ever heard of coal as a source to heat iron? Google it.

  • @wolflahti412
    @wolflahti412 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    An electric bending pipe- How luthiers have done it for centuries.

    • @advankuijk
      @advankuijk  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      bending sides by hand is how they have done it for centuries, using a heated pipe.

  • @riccardomoni3598
    @riccardomoni3598 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Non resisto...non co credo...anni 2000 e ancora come nel 1800? Ma è per far vedere quanto uno è bravo o per davvero? 1500 euro, una calibratrice , mezz" ora e tutto fatto. Meglio, più pulito e preciso. Tanto se la sai far suonare, suona lo stesso...

  • @HelpUsSaveLives
    @HelpUsSaveLives 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Overall I like the video but you could easily edit it down and skip the amount of footage for each stage. I skipped through it and in one minute saw the most important info from each step. No reason for it to be 25 minutes long unless people have never done this before. Don't get me wrong, nice video, but would benefit from editing in my opinion and I say that as a guitar builder AND video producer.

    • @advankuijk
      @advankuijk  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      thanks for your comment Raymond. My videos are mostly for people who have never made a guitar before and I want to show the amount of work it takes . Greetings from the Netherlands.

  • @danobrien3695
    @danobrien3695 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    White text over white background? Can't read titles...

    • @advankuijk
      @advankuijk  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      sorry for that Dan!

  • @robertfuller2196
    @robertfuller2196 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Title: Bending Guitar SIDES by Hand...
    First 8 minutes of the video: Building Guitar Tops...
    Click-bait? Poor editing? Oh well, back to Ken Parker...