Likewise I wish a manufacturing doing this would do what gm is doing with ev chassis expect make it hydrogen adaption kit. I would pay for that no problem. But considering how quickly this hydrogen fuel is gaining traction I bet this will replace ev's by the late 2020's. Plus we got close to 6 car manufacturers on board with it. Plus one heavy duty engine manufacturer on board.
Great! They think they figured it out. Now let’s see if they can expand the “reload” or “charging” or “fueling” stations as fast as Elon has with electric. So many people haven’t switched yet because there isn’t enough charging stations after 12 years of installing them and ramping this process up. How fast do you think it will take to make this viable, even in one state?
@@soucyno1Hydrogen station costs $1 million to $2 million to build. A gas station is around $300K. A EV charger is around $30K for fast charging. Toyota isn’t paying to build out hydrogen stations. Mostly petroleum industry funding it because up to 70% of the hydrogen can come from non renewable sources per California rules. The only state with hydrogen stations, California, is seeing huge BEV growth. Model Y was the best selling car there. Meanwhile H car sales have been declining. Elon Musk put it correctly when he said using hydrogen is mind bogglingly stupid. A pound of natural gas can move a BEV twice as far as a Hydrogen vehicle when it is used by a power company vs used to make Hydrogen.
Not sure when I have heard this much B S. At one time. Akio Toyota said the infrastructure for BEV is not there, yet there is almost nothing for hydrogen. In California you can only buy it in Southern California. So that's a hole in your coverage. Second: hydrogen, right now is made by bombarding fossil fuels with steam. This hydrogen is called black hydrogen for a reason, because it pollutes more than actually just burning it in the car. Secondly it has to be transported, this is where there are extreme problems in compressing the hydrogen by at least 1,000 lb in a special container and then transporting it to a site. This is exactly what we do with gasoline today. And then you have to pump it into the car, which is more loss. This means that overall the hydrogen car is only 30% efficient, and gasoline cars right now are 22% efficient. So there's not much gain with hydrogen at all or whatsoever. Because of the amount of solar on my roof, I can charge my car for no money at all I take nothing from the grid and it's entirely renewable energy. So, in conclusion if you bought this little truck, which would be a great little truck if it had batteries. You couldn't drive it anywhere in the United States except possibly Southern California. It really is comical, to see what was the world's largest car maker, continue to decline out of shears stubbornness. Toyota, could be the next Kodak company.
Finally.....someone who "GETS IT"...although it's still coming up short. Only offering it in a limited market and limited vehicle make...one foot in and one foot still out...
Likewise I wish a manufacturing doing this would do what gm is doing with ev chassis expect make it hydrogen adaption kit. I would pay for that no problem. But considering how quickly this hydrogen fuel is gaining traction I bet this will replace ev's by the late 2020's. Plus we got close to 6 car manufacturers on board with it. Plus one heavy duty engine manufacturer on board.
Seems like a potentially cleaner alternative to lithium battery EVs and good reason to develop the technology. Although I’m surprised the video did not mention lithium mining or the recycling issues of batteries.
Likewise I wish a manufacturing doing this would do what gm is doing with ev chassis expect make it hydrogen adaption kit. I would pay for that no problem. But considering how quickly this hydrogen fuel is gaining traction I bet this will replace ev's by the late 2020's. Plus we got close to 6 car manufacturers on board with it. Plus one heavy duty engine manufacturer on board.
uh. this is dumb. the energy needed to create the hydrogen fuel is absurd. its way more energy intensive than refining gasoline. HEV still needs a battery pack because the power output cannot provide peak energy at demand from what I understand. they do NOT have a higher efficiency. this is wrong. HEV is about 26% efficient, where BEV is like 69%. ICE is around 35%, when adjusting for energy needed to obtain the source of energies.
1. Raw materials needed to produce batteries are getting more difficult to get. Rivian, Tesla and others know about it. It's already a problem now and it will get worse in the future. 2. Batteries are highly toxic and a headache to dispose. Imagine every EV replaces batteries every 5 years? 3. Batteries are not really environmentally friendly as pointed out in the video. Thus, I think hydrogen is the future. Maybe not perfect but a viable alternative or even a replacement for EV or combustion engines. As the largest automotive producer, they knew hybrid as the answer in the 90s long before others thought it was the next big thing. I think they will set the standard again. These guys have all the money to spend in R&D and they have been sticking to hydrogen since almost when the first prius was launched. They know the right time will come.
Save your money; hydrogen will never take off. Maybe it can work as fuel for a ground generation station, but it will never gain popularity as a mobile fuel.
Hydrogen combustion adapted engines are also coming forward by the likes of Cummins and some smaller firms. Its pretty dang interesting and puts electeic cars on their back foot . As mentioned fueling points are really the limiter currently.
The JouleBox is a home Hydrogen fueling station Solar powered. Combusting 18% is 1/3 as efficient as Fuel cells 60% vs battery 93%.. why Elon talks that way about Fuel cells. Do we have enough lithium, cobalt, copper, etc? He thinks so Platinum & rubidium are needed for fuel cells & Electrolyzers but enough of these materials is Already present in existing catalytic converters. Pro tip: Don't listen to Fossil Fuel company talking points. It's equivalent to cigarette 🚬 companies telling you what brand your doctor prefers. It's malevolent. Think about that.
Toyota and other companies have been making hydrogen cars forever. But until they invest in a hydrogen fueling station infrastructure outside of California there isn’t going to be much demand for them. They need to learn from Tesla. The reason Tesla succeeded with electric cars is because of their supercharge network.
Really funny you say that because here in the midwest i have not seen one ev charging station aside from wal marts or or turnpike travel plazas that's it. So yeah.
I’m actually really excited to see how far hydrogen technology will go, if I’m honest I don’t think electric cars are the future do to lack of lithium and the power grid isn’t up to par, BUT hydrogen is much more eco friendly plus the only waste with hydrogen is hot air and steam so I’m excited to see where it goes
Likewise I wish a manufacturing doing this would do what gm is doing with ev chassis expect make it hydrogen adaption kit. I would pay for that no problem. But considering how quickly this hydrogen fuel is gaining traction I bet this will replace ev's by the late 2020's. Plus we got close to 6 car manufacturers on board with it. Plus one heavy duty engine manufacturer on board.
Hydrogen produced by methane generates a lot of CO2. Green Hydrogen by solar and wind is good as long as we install this everywhere + local generation of H2 (not transport) and you can replace batteries 🔋
Hydrogen-Fueled vehicles can be a better answer in colder and more rural parts of North America (or the world). Also better for towing. All depends on better methods of producing Hydrogen and driving it's cost down. Love this discussion.
I would like to remind everyone watching this, the most common way hydrogen is produced is grey hydrogen. Grey hydrogen uses natural gas to produce it and the emissions are not captured leaving 10kg of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere for every 1kg of hydrogen. It can be produced with electricity, which takes about 25% of the energy away from input. So, assuming we are using renewable electricity to create hydrogen, we automatically lose 25% of energy from the input. Then, an additional 10% is lost transporting and cooling the hydrogen. Then it needs to be remade into electricity inside of the car which takes an additional 25% altogether, about 40% is actually powering the car forward. Now, assuming we are using renewable energy to power an electric car, 5% is lost in electric transportation, and an additional 15% is lost from charging and discharging the battery, so it takes half the amount of energy to power an electric car with an overall efficiency of 80%. Now there are some benefits for hydrogen such as quick refueling, but because of the energy losses it is currently more expensive than gasoline. There are also only 54 hydrogen fueling stations in the U.S. So no, hydrogen cars really aren’t any better than electric cars when it comes to efficiency and most uses fossil fuels to create.
A Hydrogen vehicle is a type of EV (Electrical Vehicle). This type should be called a "H-EV (Hydrogen-Eleectric Vehicle)" in contrast, for example, to a "B-EV. (Battery-Electric Vehicle)".
In the auto industry there are already Phev, Fhev and Bev style vehicles. (Partial Hybrid Electric Vehicle, Full Hybrid Electric Vehicle, Battery Electric Vehicle.) Thus the H in hev is already notated as Hybrid. It should have to be something different, perhaps maybe HGev for Hydrogen Electric Vehicle.
functionally using it threw the fuel cell as show yes , but a much simpler method would be to use the hydrogen as is in gaseous or liquid form and put it threw an internal combustion engine line in a diesel engine , or like a forklift where it burns threw propane gas . same outcome much cleaner output .
Likewise I wish a manufacturing doing this would do what gm is doing with ev chassis expect make it hydrogen adaption kit. I would pay for that no problem. But considering how quickly this hydrogen fuel is gaining traction I bet this will replace ev's by the late 2020's. Plus we got close to 6 car manufacturers on board with it. Plus one heavy duty engine manufacturer on board.
good luck people complain that there is not enough electric charging stations to drive electric vehicles, how many hydrogen charging stations are there in the US?
Free solar and wind energies produce electricity, which serves to produce hydrogen from water (H2O). Hydrogen can be used as such in the vehicles developped by Toyota and others, or can be used to produce other types of fuels. Fuels that are clean and could run the current Internal Combustion Engines (ICE) vehicles. No more fossil fuels will be needed in the futur, and we can keep a mix of different technologies on the market (not only EVs).
But you know its not mostly made with solar. You understand they glaze over this detail. What is free solar? Where do materials for solar and wind come from, what are costs for maintenance? Industries to recycle materials for wind and solar at end of life are not set up for 100% recycle. Japan i believe is creating as byproduct of nuclear plants. I think that is what toyota sees.
There is no hydrogen station available and maintenance and maintaining the car is my concern. The cost to fill the tank and the true cost of vehicles compared to EV, phev, hybrid and ice engines.
Not stateside yet no. But with the traction the hydrogen fuel has been gaining ever since ev become mainstream we may have a couple within 5 yrs. Plus add in we got 6 car manufacturers on board with plus one heavy duty engine manufacturer too.
Hydrogen can be made by clean sources, such as solar and wind power. Odd…electric cars are powered the same way. Oh yeah then these items are made by coal plants. Oh AND you have just added a step that drags the efficiency of the power produced down. Solar -->electric car or Solar -->electric comverted to hudrogen--> then powering same vehicle…all I hear is energy loss.
This is nice but where are you going to get hydrogen, there are no hydrogen station beside California? Toyota already has miri hydrogen vehicle which failed.
It's ABOUT time Toyota spoke up! I was hoping for a long time that Toyota would continue their hydrogen technology & influence the need to build the infrastructure for it! I'm a huge fan of the automotive industry & I understand & hate the end of internal combustion engine! I like electric cars to a degree. Electric vehicles are improving on recharge times, but road trips are not great when you need to recharge & there's a lot of other people waiting to do the same thing! Hydrogen powered vehicles are very familiar when it comes to refueling, which I love that about them! I also like the idea of having a small internal combustion engine charging the battery too! I love Toyota for looking at the consumer & responding with choices & not forcing overnight change! Plus, I still think we need to plant more oxygen creating plants!
Where are all the Hydrogen stations to fuel up? There were 10x as many 10 years ago. There are fewer than 60 in the entirety of the U.S., now all in California. Infrastructure needed.
There are companies that are working on hydrogen technology for big rigs. If they end up building out hydrogen truck stop infrastructure, then hydrogen cars will have a chance in the U.S.
Anyone ever check out Plasma Kinetics? They're looking at storing Hydrogen on big cassette-like tapes and you'd take it off kind of like a cd head that releases the Hydrogen into a tank that can be used by the vehicle. In theory, you would just buy more tapes and plug them in when needed. Wonder if they can store some Waylon Jennings on there too?
Yeah I watched the video on it, technology is coming along so fast that I think that is what is slowing down auto makers. It’s a big gamble to invest all in one technology just for something better to come out so soon. I think hydrogen is the replacement for fossil fuels for sure. Electric vehicles will also have its place , I myself would like to have an EV if the prices were more comparable to gas powered vehicles but I would need to have a hydrogen vehicle for those days I go off the beaten path .
Is there a single hydrogen source in the Midwest? Where will droves of Midwestern pickup truck drivers fuel their trucks here? Is this news or hopeful stories?
Another plus I hear is that there a few companies working on making kits to convert ice motors to hydrogen which is smarter then having 1,000's of cars sitting in scrap yards. Unlike elon a lotta companies are getting smart with conversion plus it will please gearheads so we don't have to give up our love for engines we will just have to learn how to wrench on hydrogen systems.
What do you mean 'convert'? Referring to H2 injected and combusted? You must be aware of likely production of NOx generated... and at only 18% efficient vs Fuel cells around 60% efficient with only water as an emission = far better
@@PhilipX2030 that's what am saying hydrogen conversation kits are being made to where anything from a classic car to a modern day car can be converted from gas powered to hydrogen. Plus even elon musk himself said ev is not meant for everything like what the federal government of the international communities want you to believe. Plus with hydrogen or synthetic fuels being produced outta the protype stages now it will indeed be recycled energy. And plus with how many gallons of waste water are made daily it would be perfect for containmented water or used human waste water would be great.
Hydrogen cars are not more efficient then full ev. You have to take into account hydrogen production, storage, transportation, and it has to be stored cold as well I believe.
@@userfuckeri The African mines are for cobalt, which is used minimally and being used less and less as new chemistries are being developed. The two largest battery manufacturers in the world are producing sodium batteries this year, which use neither lithium nor cobalt. That’s the thing that people always forget.. technology isn’t stagnant. Battery tech is improving rapidly.
I don’t get why people here are so anti EV, yet so pro hydrogen. They’re still alternative “fuels”, and still both being introduced as ways to curb CO2. The thing with hydrogen is that either it’s a fuel cell and thus still an EV, or it’s a hydrogen burning engine which is inefficient and runs extremely lean. Plus burning it still produces NOx, which, at least where I live is a significant contributor to high pollution advisory days. I don’t care where you land on climate change, what interests me most is cleaner air, and burning hydrogen won’t get us there. But, I get why the push.. most hydrogen comes from natural gas and the oil industry has deep pockets and will lobby for it. Also, Toyota is way behind the curve on EVs, so they have no choice but to push alternatives. They thought they’d be ahead with their solid state batteries, but those haven’t panned out. So now they’re behind the rest of the pack. Depending on your sources, Toyota is either the 1st or 2nd most indebted company in the world, so they need to make something work. Their sales in the US, by far their biggest market, were down 10% year over year for 2022.
@@gridjac Consumers are caught between the Oil Lobby and the Green Lobby, both have pro's and con's to their energy system. Our current grid cannot handle everyone owning an EV, nor is there enough lithium/cobalt/manganese to supply everyone with a car battery. Then there is the question of battery recycling, how long they last and what the environmental impact of their deterioration is. Iron and Sodium based battery technologies are a good start to solving some of these problems but are still many years out (except for possibly Tesla's Fe Iron battery). On the flip side Hydrogen production as you say mainly comes from Oil, and to build out a H2 delivery network would take decades to retrofit all gas stations. Not to mention its danger in a crash (but so are battery packs too) Ultimately if H2-EV's or Battery-EV's want to become the dominate form of transportation, they must win the free market by becoming more cost effective than ICE engines WITHOUT meddling from governments or lobbying groups. If a family of 4 making $50,000 can't afford an EV (even a used one) it's not deserving of winning the free market. I will keep buying used Toyota ICE engines because the cost per mile (after fuel, maintenance, depreciation, and resale) is still the best value in motors. When the cost per mile of an EV can get down into the $0.15 territory, AND not cost $40k plus upfront, AND solve the road trip problem, then I will be giving them a hard look.
I wonder when Akio Toyoda is going to retire. I don't think there's a family member ready to pass the baton to. I'd love to see a discussion between him and Jim Farley.
$11M investment in R&D is like nothing in this day and age. We are deceived believing hydrogen fuel cells are expensive and cannot be made to fit our current vehicle markets. This is cheap and clean energy to power a vehicle. EV is a mistake.
They just do not have technology for EV. It sounds very convincing but I heard they just simply falling behind and they know it.. Hyundai has been working on Hydrogen fuel powered cars for years already, so they aren't the leading company on Hyrogen fuel cars neither. Not only Hyundai has been working on Hydrogen fuel, they just launched EV cars as well. Ionic 5 last year and 6 EV this year. I can just see Toyota is falling far behind and can't catch up on this new EV market.. All german auto car companies have EV's and Toyota needs to do something really fast.. I see them going down a big time. Watch out what happens in next 10 years. They may not be in top 5..
Well $25k truck sounds really good tho if they can make it that cheap. You can talk all you want for something that's not even out there yet. Toyota CEO does not think EV is the answer but I also think he is wrong. He is either taking a huge risk or as you said they just simply falling too far behind and can't catch it up. We do not see Blackberry, Motorola, Ericsson, Sony, and Nokia anymore.. I think they only belived in flip phone while Iphone and Samsung moved on to the Smartphones.
Where do they get the energy to produce Hydrogen, transfer, store and use in the car with lower efficiency? I can charge EV car at work, home and thousands of charging stations on the other hand storing hydrogen is difficult, more expensive and dangerous, hydrogen can explode. This concept has been in the market but never picked up.
EV’s have a place in the future as do Hydrogen vehicles. I can’t use an EV for everything I do all the time . Toyota is making both for a reason it’s because they know EV’s can’t replace all ICE vehicles but hydrogen can. So sell EV’s to those that don’t have the need for a hydrogen vehicle.
Just as Tesla has invested in its super charger network, a massive draw for Tesla buyers, if Toyota wants its hydrogen cars to take off, it may need to do the same with a hydrogen producing & supply network itself instead of relying on others to do so and lacklustre results so far.
Hydrogen, as dirty as fuel at the moment by splitting LNG and there is NO infrastructure. If we can produce green hydrogen at a reasonable cost and not use so much electricity to electrolise water we will be able to afford the hydrogen. Then we can run cars on hydrogen with huge efficiency losses, this is far less efficient than direct EV's. Why waste energy.
This is really great, and a really good alternative power source for vehicles, and perhaps many more areas of our power demands. The nearly exclusive EV and electric-powered everything is not as viable of an option as the GREEN LOBBY would have everyone believe, this GREEN and RENEWABLE power groups and government push are also due to big money kickbacks.
Then where are hydrogen stations here in NC? We have lots of superchargers and many many many power outlets. We don’t have as much eco activism here but hydrogen is nowhere to be found. Please explain. Also, the biggest ECO activist state has the most hydrogen stations and yet Mirai sales are tiny compared to BEV. This is just the market at work and it’s rejecting FCEV.
Hydrogen is not the green fuel that it seems to be. In fact, it takes more electricity per mile in a hydrogen car compared to an EV. Hydrogen needs to be transported to fueling sites further increasing its carbon footprint. Hydrigen is far more expensive than traditional gas or diesel and there does not seem to be a way to make it much cheaper buy scale. Hydrogen vehicles are far more complicated than EV's and therefore would possibly need more servicing. It would cost trillions of dollars to build the refueling stations. Electric charging sites require far less sites as about 75% or more of charging occurs in the home. Current EV's have batteries that will outlast the car itself. Is this true of a fuel cell? A hydrogen vehicle also needs a small amount of batteries that may be more tasked than traditional EV batteries possibly reducing their life expectancy. In conclusion, I think the public would not pay the higher price for a less reliable vehicle that costs at least twice as much to run as a gas car. At least the EV has the advantage of being cheaper in the long term.
Is EV cheaper in the long run? I will keep buying used Toyota ICE engines because the cost per mile (after fuel, maintenance, depreciation, and resale) is still the best value in motors. When the cost per mile of an EV can get down into the $0.15 territory, AND not cost $40k plus upfront, AND solve the road trip problem, then I will be giving them a hard look. Not to mention the other problems of EV's: Battery chemistry mining and production (can we supply the whole world with enough batteries?), current grid limitations (can our grid even handle everyone owning an EV?), energy demand causing energy prices to go up (where will all of this new electricity come from?), battery deterioration and recycling (how does this impact resale and the environment), etc. EV's only deserve to win the free market when they can produce a car that solves all these problems, for a family of 4 making $50,000 can afford with NO limitations over ICE.
@@dillonlboyer finally someone esle calling out these tesla/ev fan possie when in reality the ev cars are way worse then hydrogen. Plus they can make the Enivornment worse in the long run.
The JouleBox is a home Hydrogen fueling station Solar powered. Combusting 18% is 1/3 as efficient as Fuel cells 60% vs battery 93%.. why Elon talks that way about Fuel cells. Do we have enough lithium, cobalt, copper, etc? He thinks so Platinum & rubidium are needed for fuel cells & Electrolyzers but enough of these materials is Already present in existing catalytic converters. Pro tip: Don't listen to Fossil Fuel company talking points. It's equivalent to cigarette 🚬 companies telling you what brand your doctor prefers. It's malevolent. Think about that.
safety first! Not gonna risk using a flamable liquid such as hidrogen below my car or in a chasis no matter how many layers of protection we get, so it becomes an escape from gasoline into a sinilar realm!!
Hydrogen fuel cell electric cars will only take off if Toyota spends the money to build 8000 fueling stations. With no place to fuel the truck , limited range, and fuel costs that makes California gasoline look cheap Toyota has a steep hill to climb. As far as batteries need to get their electricity from the grid, that grid is the same grid your green hydrogen will be produced at before it is loaded on a truck and hauled to the fueling station.
@@diamond_h0us trust me they have more cash then the domestic automakers do anymore. Because toyota has the lift truck market and medium duty truck marker overseas.
@@brandonplaisted8194 By takes off do you mean someplace to fill your hydrogen tank. I saw some videos of people filling up in California for 26.70 per KG. One KG of hydrogen has about the same energy as a gallon of gas but your engine will not produce as much power.
@@brandonplaisted8194 Now I am curious. Are you talking about converting your engine to run on hydrogen or do you have the skills to convert cars to run on electric motors powered by a hydrogen fuel cell?
Firstly this CEO already resigned due to the fact that toyota lost a ton of marketshare to Tesla. The only reason the new CEO agrees on hydrogen is because if he didn't , he probably would have not became CEO. Also because toyota is so far behind tesla, and other auto makers who have shifted their focus EV. Hydrogen fuel centers only exist in Cali. And unless toyota is going to do what tesla did, and spend billions on creating a network for inter state travels, this will never come to fruition. Like what people forget ok hydrogen power is cool, you will never be able to create your own to refuel your own car. Meanwhile you can buy and install solar panels with a battery backup, and create and fuel your car if you wanted to. Thats an option that will never exist for gas or hydrogen. Not to mention you can charge your car at home, rather than guess if the hydrogen station has fuel for you. Unlike tesla i do not see toyota spending that much, they would go bankrupt before they could match the charging network of tesla. I not a tesla fanboy , just stating the facts. Not to mention that only 2 auto makers have a hydrogen car. Like if toyota wastes any more time , they could crumble very quickly. Since they always rely on selling millions of their cars yearly to keep them afloat.
Hydrogen there’s not even a hydrogen station anywhere in my state are they insane. I can literally charge my electric car for free, using my solar panels and they want me to switch to hydrogen hahahaha it’s time to short Toyota stocks
All of this is just talk and nonsense hype, until they actually produce something in mass scale that can be sold to the average person.… EV’s are here now and actually on the road. At the rate Toyota is moving we won’t see one of these cars for another decade - that assumes Toyota hasn’t become Kodak.
Legacy auto is stuck subsidizing their EV & hydrogen platforms from ICE revenues. Tesla has the ability to cut prices & maintain market share, currently sitting at about 60% of all EV sales, & their ROI % per vehicle is enviable. Hydrogen is Sony Beta & batteries are VHS. We've seen this movie before & we know the outcome.
You sure about that? look at how many companies are unvailing hydrogen motors now. Plus add in heavy duty engine company Cummins announced a hydrogen motor yet not one tesla semi on the road yet. And tesla claims he cares about competition 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 he just jelly because hydrogen is the future same synthetic fuels and ev will be phased out again like in the mid 00's
@@brandonplaisted8194 Go ahead & buy your Toyota Mirai. The market has spoken: there are 39 publicly available hydrogen stations for fueling fuel cell electric vehicles (FCEVs) in the United States; they're extremely expensive to install & retail prices of hydrogen reflect that cost.
@@misterfunnybones so was electric at one time too guy. In fact it's still expensive on ev's to own and charge. and I hardly see ev chargers and i live in the midwest. Sorry till any better option then ev comes along am sticking with ice.
More proof that this DIanosou CEO needs to retire and go home! There are literally zero Hydrogen charging stations in California! Based on the 2022 volume of sold Electric Vehicles more than 35% of the 2023 sales in China will be BVs!
@@kimmokannala4576 how much waste is made when ev cars are made let alone how much of the earth is destroyed everytime its mined for those rare metals on the ev car body then add in the lithium batteries that no one wants to recycle.
Stupid. There is no Higdon stations in the US that I know of .or vary little.. plus dangerous..good idea but to late in my opinion..someone correct me if I'm wrong ..I'm willing to learn
Lol! I have lived with Toyota Hilux since a young boy & it’s pronounced Hai-lux….never in my life have I heard it pronounced Helix) Thanks for the laugh today Velocity. The narrator you use on your channel speaks, clearly & well & pronounced Akio Toyoda perfectly. The the Helix was funny. Keep it up team. 👍😂☺️🇳🇿
Uurrgghh!!!! Hydrogen vehicles. You can take them and do you know what with them. Would never get one in my lifetime. If you people like them, fine. I sure don't
Toyota is so lost. Their pride is going to sink them..... The hydrogen infrastructure is too complicate to get going when 99% of the people in the world can use an EV that is available. When batteries can charge 160 miles in 10 minutes, everything else will fade away. EV's are already the perfect commuter car. You've got to convince people to go back to the gas station vs their garage at night. And hydrogen will be expensive vs electricity. That is the advantage of centralized power production.
Life a circle or cycle. The winner know it time that decide winning and losing.last place Toyota would be first place in fuel if ev failed. Ford and gm are fazing out gas car. And both ev cars and truck are losing money their gas cars are making then money so is dodge. Watch ev aren't selling and their a ev company shakeout happing right now, it a long ways to summer n Before people have spending cash after all them bills. Too much layer off, they were the incessant buying new ev. Not now
the EV technology is amazing in its own front , but i personally believe hydrogen is the way to go . battery power is great till you have to go somewhere far then the limited range of the ev shows its issues . and how long do battery packs last before degrading . remember that the nicad batteries and lithium batteries used today are extremely toxic , what happens when you need to replace them whats the turn around for them in land fills . remember at most you get is 5 maybe 10 years before the battery degrades to below the 80% charge rate .
I would love for Toyota to test hydrogen vehicles in Central Florida. I would love to test these vehicles out.
Likewise I wish a manufacturing doing this would do what gm is doing with ev chassis expect make it hydrogen adaption kit. I would pay for that no problem. But considering how quickly this hydrogen fuel is gaining traction I bet this will replace ev's by the late 2020's. Plus we got close to 6 car manufacturers on board with it. Plus one heavy duty engine manufacturer on board.
Same im in orlando too I think desantis recently sogned a hudrogen deal with s korea
Finally there is real leadership in the auto market! Toyota is right! Again!
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Great! They think they figured it out. Now let’s see if they can expand the “reload” or “charging” or “fueling” stations as fast as Elon has with electric. So many people haven’t switched yet because there isn’t enough charging stations after 12 years of installing them and ramping this process up. How fast do you think it will take to make this viable, even in one state?
Toyota = Kodak
@@soucyno1Hydrogen station costs $1 million to $2 million to build. A gas station is around $300K. A EV charger is around $30K for fast charging. Toyota isn’t paying to build out hydrogen stations. Mostly petroleum industry funding it because up to 70% of the hydrogen can come from non renewable sources per California rules. The only state with hydrogen stations, California, is seeing huge BEV growth. Model Y was the best selling car there. Meanwhile H car sales have been declining. Elon Musk put it correctly when he said using hydrogen is mind bogglingly stupid. A pound of natural gas can move a BEV twice as far as a Hydrogen vehicle when it is used by a power company vs used to make Hydrogen.
I can’t wait to see the Electric Muppets to be seen for what they are
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Go Toyota !
Not sure when I have heard this much B S. At one time. Akio Toyota said the infrastructure for BEV is not there, yet there is almost nothing for hydrogen. In California you can only buy it in Southern California. So that's a hole in your coverage. Second: hydrogen, right now is made by bombarding fossil fuels with steam. This hydrogen is called black hydrogen for a reason, because it pollutes more than actually just burning it in the car. Secondly it has to be transported, this is where there are extreme problems in compressing the hydrogen by at least 1,000 lb in a special container and then transporting it to a site. This is exactly what we do with gasoline today. And then you have to pump it into the car, which is more loss. This means that overall the hydrogen car is only 30% efficient, and gasoline cars right now are 22% efficient. So there's not much gain with hydrogen at all or whatsoever.
Because of the amount of solar on my roof, I can charge my car for no money at all I take nothing from the grid and it's entirely renewable energy.
So, in conclusion if you bought this little truck, which would be a great little truck if it had batteries. You couldn't drive it anywhere in the United States except possibly Southern California.
It really is comical, to see what was the world's largest car maker, continue to decline out of shears stubbornness. Toyota, could be the next Kodak company.
Well how's the Plan for zero net emissions going huh? Oh wait that's just hot air too just like the ev roll out internationally.
Finally.....someone who "GETS IT"...although it's still coming up short. Only offering it in a limited market and limited vehicle make...one foot in and one foot still out...
Likewise I wish a manufacturing doing this would do what gm is doing with ev chassis expect make it hydrogen adaption kit. I would pay for that no problem. But considering how quickly this hydrogen fuel is gaining traction I bet this will replace ev's by the late 2020's. Plus we got close to 6 car manufacturers on board with it. Plus one heavy duty engine manufacturer on board.
Seems like a potentially cleaner alternative to lithium battery EVs and good reason to develop the technology. Although I’m surprised the video did not mention lithium mining or the recycling issues of batteries.
Likewise I wish a manufacturing doing this would do what gm is doing with ev chassis expect make it hydrogen adaption kit. I would pay for that no problem. But considering how quickly this hydrogen fuel is gaining traction I bet this will replace ev's by the late 2020's. Plus we got close to 6 car manufacturers on board with it. Plus one heavy duty engine manufacturer on board.
You’ve got to be kidding, if you think I’m going to pay for hydrogen when the electricity from the solar panels on my roof is free, You’re nuts.
free? my brothers panels cost him $75,000
Mr. Toyoda is a very wise man.
Mr. Toyoda will lead TOYOTA to bankruptsy before year 2030.
Mark my words!
uh. this is dumb. the energy needed to create the hydrogen fuel is absurd. its way more energy intensive than refining gasoline. HEV still needs a battery pack because the power output cannot provide peak energy at demand from what I understand. they do NOT have a higher efficiency. this is wrong. HEV is about 26% efficient, where BEV is like 69%. ICE is around 35%, when adjusting for energy needed to obtain the source of energies.
Bring it on. I would like to own one of this truck if $25k.
Honda Insight has entered the chat: "Am I nothing to you?!"
1. Raw materials needed to produce batteries are getting more difficult to get. Rivian, Tesla and others know about it. It's already a problem now and it will get worse in the future. 2. Batteries are highly toxic and a headache to dispose. Imagine every EV replaces batteries every 5 years? 3. Batteries are not really environmentally friendly as pointed out in the video. Thus, I think hydrogen is the future. Maybe not perfect but a viable alternative or even a replacement for EV or combustion engines. As the largest automotive producer, they knew hybrid as the answer in the 90s long before others thought it was the next big thing. I think they will set the standard again. These guys have all the money to spend in R&D and they have been sticking to hydrogen since almost when the first prius was launched. They know the right time will come.
This is the future of auto technology
Save your money; hydrogen will never take off. Maybe it can work as fuel for a ground generation station, but it will never gain popularity as a mobile fuel.
Hydrogen combustion adapted engines are also coming forward by the likes of Cummins and some smaller firms. Its pretty dang interesting and puts electeic cars on their back foot .
As mentioned fueling points are really the limiter currently.
The JouleBox is a home Hydrogen fueling station Solar powered. Combusting 18% is 1/3 as efficient as Fuel cells 60% vs battery 93%.. why Elon talks that way about Fuel cells.
Do we have enough lithium, cobalt, copper, etc? He thinks so
Platinum & rubidium are needed for fuel cells & Electrolyzers but enough of these materials is Already present in existing catalytic converters.
Pro tip: Don't listen to Fossil Fuel company talking points. It's equivalent to cigarette 🚬 companies telling you what brand your doctor prefers. It's malevolent. Think about that.
There are 6 hydrogen refueling stations in San Diego, California. I only live 15 miles from the nearest one. Lucky me!
Go hydrogen if you want to waste 66% energy....
Toyota and other companies have been making hydrogen cars forever. But until they invest in a hydrogen fueling station infrastructure outside of California there isn’t going to be much demand for them. They need to learn from Tesla. The reason Tesla succeeded with electric cars is because of their supercharge network.
It costs more than $1 million to build a Hydrogen station. Toyota is the most indebted company right now so I don’t see them being able to fund these.
Really funny you say that because here in the midwest i have not seen one ev charging station aside from wal marts or or turnpike travel plazas that's it. So yeah.
Hydrogen price needs to come down first it became very expensive in California. After 15 k incentive from Toyota it will be hard to keep the car.
It will, if a lot of fuel companies produce hydrogen since its much cheaper than petrol.
Bet the US won’t let Toyota sell this hydrogen truck here in the US. Ford knows it has no chance.
Actually ford is on board with hydrogen now they made a v8 hydrogen powered. They just copied toyotas homework.
I’m actually really excited to see how far hydrogen technology will go, if I’m honest I don’t think electric cars are the future do to lack of lithium and the power grid isn’t up to par, BUT hydrogen is much more eco friendly plus the only waste with hydrogen is hot air and steam so I’m excited to see where it goes
Likewise I wish a manufacturing doing this would do what gm is doing with ev chassis expect make it hydrogen adaption kit. I would pay for that no problem. But considering how quickly this hydrogen fuel is gaining traction I bet this will replace ev's by the late 2020's. Plus we got close to 6 car manufacturers on board with it. Plus one heavy duty engine manufacturer on board.
Hydrogen produced by methane generates a lot of CO2. Green Hydrogen by solar and wind is good as long as we install this everywhere + local generation of H2 (not transport) and you can replace batteries 🔋
Smart move Toyota
Toyota = Kodak
Hydrogen-Fueled vehicles can be a better answer in colder and more rural parts of North America (or the world). Also better for towing. All depends on better methods of producing Hydrogen and driving it's cost down. Love this discussion.
Water out of the tail pipe in cold regions, ice all over the roads what I see
Rural parts of North America has access to electricity. I don't see anybody planning to give them access to hydrogen fuel.
@@TheMarkdick Petrol and diesel produce just as much water out the tailpipe. Hasn’t been a problem yet.
Good luck find a hydrogen refill station 🤣🤣🤣🎉
Ram has already announced plans for the HD line of pickup trucks to run on hydrogen.
I would like to remind everyone watching this, the most common way hydrogen is produced is grey hydrogen. Grey hydrogen uses natural gas to produce it and the emissions are not captured leaving 10kg of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere for every 1kg of hydrogen. It can be produced with electricity, which takes about 25% of the energy away from input.
So, assuming we are using renewable electricity to create hydrogen, we automatically lose 25% of energy from the input. Then, an additional 10% is lost transporting and cooling the hydrogen. Then it needs to be remade into electricity inside of the car which takes an additional 25% altogether, about 40% is actually powering the car forward.
Now, assuming we are using renewable energy to power an electric car, 5% is lost in electric transportation, and an additional 15% is lost from charging and discharging the battery, so it takes half the amount of energy to power an electric car with an overall efficiency of 80%.
Now there are some benefits for hydrogen such as quick refueling, but because of the energy losses it is currently more expensive than gasoline. There are also only 54 hydrogen fueling stations in the U.S.
So no, hydrogen cars really aren’t any better than electric cars when it comes to efficiency and most uses fossil fuels to create.
A Hydrogen vehicle is a type of EV (Electrical Vehicle). This type should be called a "H-EV (Hydrogen-Eleectric Vehicle)" in contrast, for example, to a "B-EV. (Battery-Electric Vehicle)".
If the infrastructure of hydrogen refilling stations is as common as EV and gas stations, I could see it really taking off
In the auto industry there are already Phev, Fhev and Bev style vehicles. (Partial Hybrid Electric Vehicle, Full Hybrid Electric Vehicle, Battery Electric Vehicle.) Thus the H in hev is already notated as Hybrid. It should have to be something different, perhaps maybe HGev for Hydrogen Electric Vehicle.
functionally using it threw the fuel cell as show yes , but a much simpler method would be to use the hydrogen as is in gaseous or liquid form and put it threw an internal combustion engine line in a diesel engine , or like a forklift where it burns threw propane gas . same outcome much cleaner output .
Hydrogen powered electric vehicles are called Fuel Cell Electric Vehicles (FCEV)
Likewise I wish a manufacturing doing this would do what gm is doing with ev chassis expect make it hydrogen adaption kit. I would pay for that no problem. But considering how quickly this hydrogen fuel is gaining traction I bet this will replace ev's by the late 2020's. Plus we got close to 6 car manufacturers on board with it. Plus one heavy duty engine manufacturer on board.
It's possible. I'd like to see a cheap hydrogen car someday.
good luck people complain that there is not enough electric charging stations to drive electric vehicles, how many hydrogen charging stations are there in the US?
They’re right !! I agree
What? Where does hydrogen come from magically without generating pollution? Lol.
Free solar and wind energies produce electricity, which serves to produce hydrogen from water (H2O). Hydrogen can be used as such in the vehicles developped by Toyota and others, or can be used to produce other types of fuels. Fuels that are clean and could run the current Internal Combustion Engines (ICE) vehicles. No more fossil fuels will be needed in the futur, and we can keep a mix of different technologies on the market (not only EVs).
But you know its not mostly made with solar. You understand they glaze over this detail. What is free solar? Where do materials for solar and wind come from, what are costs for maintenance? Industries to recycle materials for wind and solar at end of life are not set up for 100% recycle. Japan i believe is creating as byproduct of nuclear plants. I think that is what toyota sees.
There is no hydrogen station available and maintenance and maintaining the car is my concern. The cost to fill the tank and the true cost of vehicles compared to EV, phev, hybrid and ice engines.
Not stateside yet no. But with the traction the hydrogen fuel has been gaining ever since ev become mainstream we may have a couple within 5 yrs. Plus add in we got 6 car manufacturers on board with plus one heavy duty engine manufacturer too.
Hydrogen can be made by clean sources, such as solar and wind power. Odd…electric cars are powered the same way. Oh yeah then these items are made by coal plants. Oh AND you have just added a step that drags the efficiency of the power produced down.
Solar -->electric car or
Solar -->electric comverted to hudrogen--> then powering same vehicle…all I hear is energy loss.
Incorrect pronounciation, its not pronounced Helix there is no e in HiLux. how on earth did you get Helix from HiLux? it's pronounced "High- Lux"
This is nice but where are you going to get hydrogen, there are no hydrogen station beside California? Toyota already has miri hydrogen vehicle which failed.
Of course hydrogen Toyota way to go Man 💯👍👍👍❤️✌️👌🏆💋💪👏🤠
Toyota = Kodak
Seeing the cell wrapped in what look likes fibreglass it does raise some concerns after the submarine incident involving fibreglass….
It's ABOUT time Toyota spoke up! I was hoping for a long time that Toyota would continue their hydrogen technology & influence the need to build the infrastructure for it! I'm a huge fan of the automotive industry & I understand & hate the end of internal combustion engine! I like electric cars to a degree. Electric vehicles are improving on recharge times, but road trips are not great when you need to recharge & there's a lot of other people waiting to do the same thing! Hydrogen powered vehicles are very familiar when it comes to refueling, which I love that about them! I also like the idea of having a small internal combustion engine charging the battery too! I love Toyota for looking at the consumer & responding with choices & not forcing overnight change! Plus, I still think we need to plant more oxygen creating plants!
Where are all the Hydrogen stations to fuel up? There were 10x as many 10 years ago. There are fewer than 60 in the entirety of the U.S., now all in California. Infrastructure needed.
There are companies that are working on hydrogen technology for big rigs. If they end up building out hydrogen truck stop infrastructure, then hydrogen cars will have a chance in the U.S.
Awesome! All I'd have to do is drive out to California to 'gas it up'? When can I buy? 🙄🙄
Anyone ever check out Plasma Kinetics? They're looking at storing Hydrogen on big cassette-like tapes and you'd take it off kind of like a cd head that releases the Hydrogen into a tank that can be used by the vehicle. In theory, you would just buy more tapes and plug them in when needed. Wonder if they can store some Waylon Jennings on there too?
Yeah I watched the video on it, technology is coming along so fast that I think that is what is slowing down auto makers. It’s a big gamble to invest all in one technology just for something better to come out so soon. I think hydrogen is the replacement for fossil fuels for sure. Electric vehicles will also have its place , I myself would like to have an EV if the prices were more comparable to gas powered vehicles but I would need to have a hydrogen vehicle for those days I go off the beaten path .
11 million in R and D ?
Doesn't sound like a legitimate figure.
Didn't he recently step down from CEO claiming that he is too old school for transitioning into the electric future?
This tech has been talked about for 30 years now and it is still a long long ways away.
Well I mean the same can be said about the whole ev roll out internationally.
Is there a single hydrogen source in the Midwest? Where will droves of Midwestern pickup truck drivers fuel their trucks here? Is this news or hopeful stories?
Another plus I hear is that there a few companies working on making kits to convert ice motors to hydrogen which is smarter then having 1,000's of cars sitting in scrap yards. Unlike elon a lotta companies are getting smart with conversion plus it will please gearheads so we don't have to give up our love for engines we will just have to learn how to wrench on hydrogen systems.
What do you mean 'convert'? Referring to H2 injected and combusted? You must be aware of likely production of NOx generated... and at only 18% efficient vs Fuel cells around 60% efficient with only water as an emission = far better
@@PhilipX2030 that's what am saying hydrogen conversation kits are being made to where anything from a classic car to a modern day car can be converted from gas powered to hydrogen. Plus even elon musk himself said ev is not meant for everything like what the federal government of the international communities want you to believe. Plus with hydrogen or synthetic fuels being produced outta the protype stages now it will indeed be recycled energy. And plus with how many gallons of waste water are made daily it would be perfect for containmented water or used human waste water would be great.
Hydrogen leeks out of EVERYTHING, always, forever.
The end
Hydrogen cars are not more efficient then full ev. You have to take into account hydrogen production, storage, transportation, and it has to be stored cold as well I believe.
At least it doesn’t require slavery in Africa for lithium mining
@@userfuckeri The African mines are for cobalt, which is used minimally and being used less and less as new chemistries are being developed. The two largest battery manufacturers in the world are producing sodium batteries this year, which use neither lithium nor cobalt. That’s the thing that people always forget.. technology isn’t stagnant. Battery tech is improving rapidly.
I don’t get why people here are so anti EV, yet so pro hydrogen. They’re still alternative “fuels”, and still both being introduced as ways to curb CO2. The thing with hydrogen is that either it’s a fuel cell and thus still an EV, or it’s a hydrogen burning engine which is inefficient and runs extremely lean. Plus burning it still produces NOx, which, at least where I live is a significant contributor to high pollution advisory days. I don’t care where you land on climate change, what interests me most is cleaner air, and burning hydrogen won’t get us there. But, I get why the push.. most hydrogen comes from natural gas and the oil industry has deep pockets and will lobby for it.
Also, Toyota is way behind the curve on EVs, so they have no choice but to push alternatives. They thought they’d be ahead with their solid state batteries, but those haven’t panned out. So now they’re behind the rest of the pack. Depending on your sources, Toyota is either the 1st or 2nd most indebted company in the world, so they need to make something work. Their sales in the US, by far their biggest market, were down 10% year over year for 2022.
@@gridjac Consumers are caught between the Oil Lobby and the Green Lobby, both have pro's and con's to their energy system. Our current grid cannot handle everyone owning an EV, nor is there enough lithium/cobalt/manganese to supply everyone with a car battery. Then there is the question of battery recycling, how long they last and what the environmental impact of their deterioration is. Iron and Sodium based battery technologies are a good start to solving some of these problems but are still many years out (except for possibly Tesla's Fe Iron battery). On the flip side Hydrogen production as you say mainly comes from Oil, and to build out a H2 delivery network would take decades to retrofit all gas stations. Not to mention its danger in a crash (but so are battery packs too)
Ultimately if H2-EV's or Battery-EV's want to become the dominate form of transportation, they must win the free market by becoming more cost effective than ICE engines WITHOUT meddling from governments or lobbying groups. If a family of 4 making $50,000 can't afford an EV (even a used one) it's not deserving of winning the free market.
I will keep buying used Toyota ICE engines because the cost per mile (after fuel, maintenance, depreciation, and resale) is still the best value in motors. When the cost per mile of an EV can get down into the $0.15 territory, AND not cost $40k plus upfront, AND solve the road trip problem, then I will be giving them a hard look.
@@userfuckeri it will still have battery’s as do most hydrogen cars
I wonder when Akio Toyoda is going to retire. I don't think there's a family member ready to pass the baton to. I'd love to see a discussion between him and Jim Farley.
$11M investment in R&D is like nothing in this day and age. We are deceived believing hydrogen fuel cells are expensive and cannot be made to fit our current vehicle markets. This is cheap and clean energy to power a vehicle. EV is a mistake.
Hope they are right what a gamble if not. Hybrid cars are like the compact fluorescent light bulb of cars.
11 million dollars in R&D is a pittance.
It will be $60,000 in the US and I dunno, it leaks out very easily, especially at 10K lbs sq in.
Why is it pronouced "hee licks" in this video when the name Hilux looks like it should be pronounced phonetically as "high lucks"?
They just do not have technology for EV. It sounds very convincing but I heard they just simply falling behind and they know it.. Hyundai has been working on Hydrogen fuel powered cars for years already, so they aren't the leading company on Hyrogen fuel cars neither. Not only Hyundai has been working on Hydrogen fuel, they just launched EV cars as well. Ionic 5 last year and 6 EV this year. I can just see Toyota is falling far behind and can't catch up on this new EV market.. All german auto car companies have EV's and Toyota needs to do something really fast.. I see them going down a big time. Watch out what happens in next 10 years. They may not be in top 5..
Well $25k truck sounds really good tho if they can make it that cheap. You can talk all you want for something that's not even out there yet. Toyota CEO does not think EV is the answer but I also think he is wrong. He is either taking a huge risk or as you said they just simply falling too far behind and can't catch it up.
We do not see Blackberry, Motorola, Ericsson, Sony, and Nokia anymore.. I think they only belived in flip phone while Iphone and Samsung moved on to the Smartphones.
what happens if you drive a hydrogen fuel cell vehicle to 0% charge?
Ok ill wait for the hydrogen ae86 lol
Where do they get the energy to produce Hydrogen, transfer, store and use in the car with lower efficiency? I can charge EV car at work, home and thousands of charging stations on the other hand storing hydrogen is difficult, more expensive and dangerous, hydrogen can explode. This concept has been in the market but never picked up.
EV’s have a place in the future as do Hydrogen vehicles. I can’t use an EV for everything I do all the time . Toyota is making both for a reason it’s because they know EV’s can’t replace all ICE vehicles but hydrogen can. So sell EV’s to those that don’t have the need for a hydrogen vehicle.
Go to Canada on winter time 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Toyota = Kodak
Joker over here.
It produce water. Imagine a highway full of hydrogen powered car in winter at -30. The whole highway would become a ice skating rink.
The Hindenburg has entered the chat: "Am I nothing to you?!" Proceeds to explode.
I believe a Toyota guy it's on the right track.
It sounds good on paper..but WHAT ABOUT THE INFRASTRUCTURE????!!!!
Just as Tesla has invested in its super charger network, a massive draw for Tesla buyers, if Toyota wants its hydrogen cars to take off, it may need to do the same with a hydrogen producing & supply network itself instead of relying on others to do so and lacklustre results so far.
Of course hydrogen is going to be the better choice.
Hydrogen, as dirty as fuel at the moment by splitting LNG and there is NO infrastructure.
If we can produce green hydrogen at a reasonable cost and not use so much electricity to electrolise water we will be able to afford the hydrogen.
Then we can run cars on hydrogen with huge efficiency losses, this is far less efficient than direct EV's.
Why waste energy.
This is really great, and a really good alternative power source for vehicles, and perhaps many more areas of our power demands. The nearly exclusive EV and electric-powered everything is not as viable of an option as the GREEN LOBBY would have everyone believe, this GREEN and RENEWABLE power groups and government push are also due to big money kickbacks.
Aree 100% Big wake up call coming within the next five years for the EV market unless SS batteries are fully developed.
Then where are hydrogen stations here in NC? We have lots of superchargers and many many many power outlets. We don’t have as much eco activism here but hydrogen is nowhere to be found. Please explain. Also, the biggest ECO activist state has the most hydrogen stations and yet Mirai sales are tiny compared to BEV. This is just the market at work and it’s rejecting FCEV.
Hydrogen is not the green fuel that it seems to be. In fact, it takes more electricity per mile in a hydrogen car compared to an EV.
Hydrogen needs to be transported to fueling sites further increasing its carbon footprint.
Hydrigen is far more expensive than traditional gas or diesel and there does not seem to be a way to make it much cheaper buy scale.
Hydrogen vehicles are far more complicated than EV's and therefore would possibly need more servicing.
It would cost trillions of dollars to build the refueling stations. Electric charging sites require far less sites as about 75% or more of charging occurs in the home.
Current EV's have batteries that will outlast the car itself. Is this true of a fuel cell? A hydrogen vehicle also needs a small amount of batteries that may be more tasked than traditional EV batteries possibly reducing their life expectancy.
In conclusion, I think the public would not pay the higher price for a less reliable vehicle that costs at least twice as much to run as a gas car. At least the EV has the advantage of being cheaper in the long term.
Is EV cheaper in the long run? I will keep buying used Toyota ICE engines because the cost per mile (after fuel, maintenance, depreciation, and resale) is still the best value in motors. When the cost per mile of an EV can get down into the $0.15 territory, AND not cost $40k plus upfront, AND solve the road trip problem, then I will be giving them a hard look.
Not to mention the other problems of EV's: Battery chemistry mining and production (can we supply the whole world with enough batteries?), current grid limitations (can our grid even handle everyone owning an EV?), energy demand causing energy prices to go up (where will all of this new electricity come from?), battery deterioration and recycling (how does this impact resale and the environment), etc.
EV's only deserve to win the free market when they can produce a car that solves all these problems, for a family of 4 making $50,000 can afford with NO limitations over ICE.
@@dillonlboyer finally someone esle calling out these tesla/ev fan possie when in reality the ev cars are way worse then hydrogen. Plus they can make the Enivornment worse in the long run.
The JouleBox is a home Hydrogen fueling station Solar powered. Combusting 18% is 1/3 as efficient as Fuel cells 60% vs battery 93%.. why Elon talks that way about Fuel cells.
Do we have enough lithium, cobalt, copper, etc? He thinks so
Platinum & rubidium are needed for fuel cells & Electrolyzers but enough of these materials is Already present in existing catalytic converters.
Pro tip: Don't listen to Fossil Fuel company talking points. It's equivalent to cigarette 🚬 companies telling you what brand your doctor prefers. It's malevolent. Think about that.
Just wait till the first one blows up and kills the market entirely.
Tesla has entered the chat. Because a few tesla fires almost killed the owners.
LOL! One get's far more km per € with ev:s. And it cause half the pollution vs Hydrogen.
safety first! Not gonna risk using a flamable liquid such as hidrogen below my car or in a chasis no matter how many layers of protection we get, so it becomes an escape from gasoline into a sinilar realm!!
I hear you, it was my understanding that gasoline was more explosive than hydrogen; is that not the case?
Hydrogen fuel cell electric cars will only take off if Toyota spends the money to build 8000 fueling stations. With no place to fuel the truck , limited range, and fuel costs that makes California gasoline look cheap Toyota has a steep hill to climb. As far as batteries need to get their electricity from the grid, that grid is the same grid your green hydrogen will be produced at before it is loaded on a truck and hauled to the fueling station.
8000…that’s about $12 billion dollars.
@@diamond_h0us trust me they have more cash then the domestic automakers do anymore. Because toyota has the lift truck market and medium duty truck marker overseas.
I will buy a conversion kit if this ever takes off and slowly convert all my project cars over plus my daily drivers.
@@brandonplaisted8194 By takes off do you mean someplace to fill your hydrogen tank. I saw some videos of people filling up in California for 26.70 per KG. One KG of hydrogen has about the same energy as a gallon of gas but your engine will not produce as much power.
@@brandonplaisted8194 Now I am curious. Are you talking about converting your engine to run on hydrogen or do you have the skills to convert cars to run on electric motors powered by a hydrogen fuel cell?
Firstly this CEO already resigned due to the fact that toyota lost a ton of marketshare to Tesla. The only reason the new CEO agrees on hydrogen is because if he didn't , he probably would have not became CEO. Also because toyota is so far behind tesla, and other auto makers who have shifted their focus EV. Hydrogen fuel centers only exist in Cali. And unless toyota is going to do what tesla did, and spend billions on creating a network for inter state travels, this will never come to fruition. Like what people forget ok hydrogen power is cool, you will never be able to create your own to refuel your own car.
Meanwhile you can buy and install solar panels with a battery backup, and create and fuel your car if you wanted to. Thats an option that will never exist for gas or hydrogen. Not to mention you can charge your car at home, rather than guess if the hydrogen station has fuel for you.
Unlike tesla i do not see toyota spending that much, they would go bankrupt before they could match the charging network of tesla. I not a tesla fanboy , just stating the facts. Not to mention that only 2 auto makers have a hydrogen car. Like if toyota wastes any more time , they could crumble very quickly. Since they always rely on selling millions of their cars yearly to keep them afloat.
Hydrogen there’s not even a hydrogen station anywhere in my state are they insane. I can literally charge my electric car for free, using my solar panels and they want me to switch to hydrogen hahahaha it’s time to short Toyota stocks
this is the futre not electric
Toyota is right
I'd rather buy an EV.
Please for the love of god bring these out in the UK.
EDIT: Holy **** they are :D
All of this is just talk and nonsense hype, until they actually produce something in mass scale that can be sold to the average person.… EV’s are here now and actually on the road. At the rate Toyota is moving we won’t see one of these cars for another decade - that assumes Toyota hasn’t become Kodak.
Legacy auto is stuck subsidizing their EV & hydrogen platforms from ICE revenues. Tesla has the ability to cut prices & maintain market share, currently sitting at about 60% of all EV sales, & their ROI % per vehicle is enviable. Hydrogen is Sony Beta & batteries are VHS. We've seen this movie before & we know the outcome.
You sure about that? look at how many companies are unvailing hydrogen motors now. Plus add in heavy duty engine company Cummins announced a hydrogen motor yet not one tesla semi on the road yet. And tesla claims he cares about competition 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 he just jelly because hydrogen is the future same synthetic fuels and ev will be phased out again like in the mid 00's
@@brandonplaisted8194 Go ahead & buy your Toyota Mirai. The market has spoken: there are 39 publicly available hydrogen stations for fueling fuel cell electric vehicles (FCEVs) in the United States; they're extremely expensive to install & retail prices of hydrogen reflect that cost.
@@misterfunnybones so was electric at one time too guy. In fact it's still expensive on ev's to own and charge. and I hardly see ev chargers and i live in the midwest. Sorry till any better option then ev comes along am sticking with ice.
5-10 years for cars...next 20-25 years to get hydrogen station network ...don't have much time @ 65🤣
More proof that this DIanosou CEO needs to retire and go home! There are literally zero Hydrogen charging stations in California! Based on the 2022 volume of sold Electric Vehicles more than 35% of the 2023 sales in China will be BVs!
It is pronounced "HIGH LUX" say it with me.
Stanly Meyer did this in the 70's...just fyi
How much Tesla car compare to a gasoline car?,
Using wind and solar electricity to produce hydrogen may be better use of it than simply connecting to the grid.
It causes 50% waste of the energy.
@@kimmokannala4576 how much waste is made when ev cars are made let alone how much of the earth is destroyed everytime its mined for those rare metals on the ev car body then add in the lithium batteries that no one wants to recycle.
This is nothing new , They had hydrogen engines long ago,
Toyota was all in on combustion cars in 1933 😮 but now days can't make up there minds.
Stupid. There is no Higdon stations in the US that I know of .or vary little.. plus dangerous..good idea but to late in my opinion..someone correct me if I'm wrong ..I'm willing to learn
Lol! I have lived with Toyota Hilux since a young boy & it’s pronounced Hai-lux….never in my life have I heard it pronounced Helix)
Thanks for the laugh today Velocity.
The narrator you use on your channel speaks, clearly & well & pronounced Akio Toyoda perfectly.
The the Helix was funny.
Keep it up team. 👍😂☺️🇳🇿
On Board
Wow no usa auto maker!
Ford is finally getting on it finally. 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄
High-lucks hilux
Uurrgghh!!!! Hydrogen vehicles. You can take them and do you know what with them.
Would never get one in my lifetime. If you people like them, fine. I sure don't
Toyota is so lost. Their pride is going to sink them..... The hydrogen infrastructure is too complicate to get going when 99% of the people in the world can use an EV that is available. When batteries can charge 160 miles in 10 minutes, everything else will fade away. EV's are already the perfect commuter car. You've got to convince people to go back to the gas station vs their garage at night. And hydrogen will be expensive vs electricity. That is the advantage of centralized power production.
Hydrogen > EV
Life a circle or cycle. The winner know it time that decide winning and losing.last place Toyota would be first place in fuel if ev failed. Ford and gm are fazing out gas car. And both ev cars and truck are losing money their gas cars are making then money so is dodge. Watch ev aren't selling and their a ev company shakeout happing right now, it a long ways to summer n
Before people have spending cash after all them bills. Too much layer off, they were the incessant buying new ev. Not now
Toyota = Kodak
Fool cell
EV is the way to go...new technologies will make this obvious!😄
never will I drive an ev, never have even made it 18 holes in a golf cart
the EV technology is amazing in its own front , but i personally believe hydrogen is the way to go . battery power is great till you have to go somewhere far then the limited range of the ev shows its issues . and how long do battery packs last before degrading . remember that the nicad batteries and lithium batteries used today are extremely toxic , what happens when you need to replace them whats the turn around for them in land fills . remember at most you get is 5 maybe 10 years before the battery degrades to below the 80% charge rate .