Awesome video. I’ve mentioned several times that Indians dealer network is the only reason H-D doesn’t have to worry today. HD better pay attention, though, cuz Indian is coming fast and strong.
Thanks John. I REALLY hope HD accelerates whatever plan they have for the future of the Touring bikes because I think letting Indian get a 2 year jump with all the bells and whistles on the Challenger is a dangerous proposition. I know HD has the big piece of the pie but the longer they let Indian keep nibbling out a bigger chunk the more the discussion will start to sway in Indians favor. That is not a healthy position to be in for the motor company in 2021-22. I want Harley to swing for the fences with a touring product and try to make Indian look foolish with more than just a stern "Hey, you copied us"
@@GearsGadgets Indian just makes a better product. The dealership network will catch up. Just look at the 37% increase in sales for Indian this year, versus another record loss for Harley. Time to stop throwing shade on the other American motorcycle company because Harleys are inferior now in tech, powertrain, and just equal in name heritage.
I watch: Blockhead Matt laidlaw John Maxwell Shadetree surgeon Fortnine RevZilla Traveling tall Adam sandoval(epic guy) Traveling tall(recently started watching) Walterrific Dandanthefireman And many more 👍🏽
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@@robertevans9544 bro, he gives out good contents..no need to be like not watch him and all. Their will be always two parties, one against and one for. I always stay in the middle, i own an iron 883, in the future i might add an indian or some other brand to my garage. I love both the brands.
@@GearsGadgets I watch: John Maxwell Ryan Urlacher Adam Sandoval Doc Harley at low country Harley Ride it Wrench it Matt Laidlaw Bike n Bird Blockhead Keep up the good work..........we need to promote the motorcycling lifestyle. I'm a Harley guy, but I like to see people join the sport regardless of the brand they choose.
I live in the burbs of Chicago. Just looking at dropping and picking up for service. Needing someone to give me a ride. One dealer 15min from home, 2 at 30 min from home with Harley. Now look at Indian, over an hour away for the closest dealer. It makes a big difference when fitting in life.
Yeah, it's pretty tolerable to have to drive or ride 2 hours to a dealership just to look at a new motorcycle. Which then if you need parts or supplies you need to devote what will turn into an entire day to go get said parts or supplies. Same if you're planning on having the dealership service the bike. Then let's say you decide to buy a new bike, so it takes 2 hours to get to the dealership, God knows how long for the actual sales process, then 2 hours to ride home. I honestly wouldn't worry too much about a breakdown. If it's going to break, it's going to break, worry about it then. Besides, it's going to break after 4pm on a Saturday or sometime on a Sunday. Which is great, because a lot of HD dealers are open on Sunday for service. And honestly, I pretty much don't even ride mine unless we're going on some multi day motorcycle trip ie Rolling Thunder, The 105th Anniversary, we've got a trip planned for Yellowstone, etc. I work 50-60 hours a week and going to bike night is stupid, I'm not bothering to get the bike out of the garage unless I plan on being on it all day. So, Live to Ride is one thing, but if you have to spend an entire day just to go to and from the dealership to look at a new bike, that's another thing altogether. Which is why there is about 10 Harley's to 1 Indian out on the road currently. That number will probably pick up, but it'll take some time considering the the dealership network is at minimum 3-1 in Harley's favor.
Too true ! Love it, I rode 4.5hrs back to the dealer for my first service, I made a two day trip of it and it was awesome. Later I found a place (not a dealer) that had a good reputation for servicing and building bikes that was only an hours ride. Much better. I sure as hell would not buy another touring chassis HD, I’d ride even further for an Indian because after the service I’ve got to enjoy the ride the rest of the time! Rode the Indian, was blown away, yes it really is that good.
The issue with Indian/Polaris is the dealer network is fragmented with Mom and Pop lawnmower shops that also sell side by sides and snow mobiles and maybe have an Indian on the showroom floor. No way the tech or parts departments are as well trained and stocked as the Harley Davidson dealers. Now I know Indian is really been trying to fix this, however I feel they really have a long way to go. Personally I like walking into a dealer and all they sell, service and have people who are Harley, then an Indian dealer who sells and services Kawasaki, Triumph, Yamaha, Polaris OHHHHH and Indians over there in the middle of the room! Nope not for me sorry!
My Indian dealer is a dedicated Indian dealer with some Royal Enfield and Urals. There are Polaris dealers a few miles further but they don't deal bikes at all.
I live in Australia where Harley dealerships vs Indian dealerships is more pronounced. With the consistent number of Harley dealerships in a small location, if I breakdown on a trip and need parts, one of the Harley shops may have a part that can be shipped quickly to the repair shop where my bike is but does not have my broken replacement. That means I can have a part sent from across town in a short time, have my broken item replaced and be back on the road quickly. With an Indian motorcycle, I may need to book accommodation and waste time while waiting for a delivery from another Indian repair shop if the one repairing my motorcycle doesn't have a replacement part. Therefore, having more Harley dealerships, even if close to one another, has benefits when riding across the country or interstate.
Thanks Natas, I only had time (barely) to map the US. If this video gets 1,000,000 views I will map the rest of the globe lol. Appreciate the comment!!
The one problem with Indian dealerships is, all the ones near me( Detroit Mi) aren't just Indian. For example my brother had a problem with his roadmaster. He called the Honda/Indina dealer and was told they only have 1 Indina tech and it would be 3 weeks until they could look at it. If he had a honda they could have gotten to it in a day or 2. Until they change to Indian only dealerships this will be a issue.
In thing you maybe missing on this is 20 miles in one area of the country could be an hour or more ride as 80 miles in another just because of speed limits and stop lights is the same amount of time. I live 8 miles from my nearest Harley dealer but choose to drive 17 miles to the second one by me because I can get there faster.
I live in yreka ca there are 2 Harley dealerships within 90 miles of my house . Indian the closest dealer is about 300 miles away wich was a major factor in choosing a new Harley that I purchased last month.
Yeah I understand it from a purchasing point of view, my point was more focused on showing you won’t be stranded 1000 miles from the closest Indian dealership on the side of the road.
You can tell when people have no clue what they are talking about. You can find Harley's 20 plus year's old still on the road but people think they break down lol. None of my harleys have left me stranded. People should ride what they like and not act like what they don't like is crap. Indian or harley neither have the best cc or the newest technology BMW, honda and others have much better when comes to just about any category in riding so it's like arguing over what's the best 4th place lol. I like harley so that's what's I ride and it doesn't bother me what anyone else rides as long as they enjoy the ride
@@Sig721Tau I've owned a Yamaha, two Victorys and three HDs...none have broken down on me out on the road. I keep the maintenance up. Never had a problem. My bike experience over the last 10+ years completely disagrees with your generic statement.
I think Million Dollar Bogan is doing incredible things that most of us don’t have the resources to do and it is awesome to watch. He really does a great job telling motorcycle stories.
"Popping a dealership" is a tough, risky business ... especially for Indian. That said, one thing I have seen across the country is that Indian dealerships are smaller, their repair facilities are smaller. Their mechanics are often times busy with other brands that include three and four wheelers. Their business hours are almost always more similar to Japanese/European shops. That means they are much more likely to be flippin' CLOSED on Saturday afternoons and Sundays. THAT'S what I mean by customer service.
You get a sub from me. As a Harley rider (because military history and family) I never even looked at an Indian because i assumed there where not enough dealerships. Thanks you for your unbiased video on just facts.
I really appreciate your time and dedication to putting this map together for us! Also, your recent Challenger videos as I'm very excited about that announcement. I watch pretty much anyone who rides or reviews 2018 or newer Harley Baggers/Softails or Indian models, which is how I found your channel originally when you bought that sick Heritage Softail. Overall I prefer Indians, but I ride Harleys all year through their Eagle Rider program and really love and appreciate both companies.
I did watch Matt Laidlaw but life’s too short for negativity. John Maxwell. Jons Moto Garage. Traveling Tall. The Smoaks. Brandon Bicasso. The Bearded Bobber. Stark Nakked. 650lb. Gears & Gadgets. Adam Sandoval etc etc lol
Naw don’t hate on Matt. He’s a good dude. Don’t bail on him. Maxwell is the man, Jon’s Moto Garage is going to be big, been subbed to Traveling Tall for a min. Just subbed to Bicasso a min ago, Bearded Bobber I thought I was subbed but wasn’t so thanks for making me see that, and Sandoval is awesome!!!
I have to agree. Matt's rant and put downs on Indian went way too far. In the US one of our core values is competition and that means you beat the other guy by coming up with a better product /service. A public rant is something a school boy loser would do. Sorry Matt, Unsubscribed.
I agree, Matt lost my respect after his latest "roast". I get it, he (his parents, lol) own an HD dealer that he walked into. He's an entitled brat from CA.
Thanks. It took WAY too much time to map all of those locations but I felt it was worth it and something I didn’t see yet not only on TH-cam but the internet in general.
@@GearsGadgets I'm going 5o defer people to this vid on the comments.moving forward. Lol. Super useful for anyone on the fence about indian foe that reason.
Sorry man, I had to map 830+ dealerships and neither website made it super easy to do it. Looks like I missed savannah GA too. I will add both to the map. That’s why I said I didn’t claim it was 100% accurate but close.
Dude here are the facts ! Harley Davidson has way , way, way , hold on Way more bikes on the road than Indian ! In my area one Harley dealership has a one month wait for a 10 Thousand mile service so I went to a closer Harley Dealership that has a three day wait . I’m happy that locally there are three Harley Dealerships within a 20 mile range of me! Indian doesn’t have the volume of bikes on the road that Harley does & Never Will!
Fair enough. My approach to this video wasn't from a frequent service point of view but more of a, if you beak down on a trip, don't stress because the idea that there are not enough Indian dealers around isn't totally accurate.
Great video Dan. I watch: John Maxwell Adam Sandoval Gears and gadgets Unknown industries Shadetree Fortnine (best MC channel on YT) I used to watch Matt Laidlaw but after his latest video he is now a whiny baby and too negative. Good content man👍🏻
HAHA thanks Matt. I watch all of the same except Unknown Industries just subbed and will check them out. I will tell you like I've told some of the others. Don't be too hard on Matt he means well and is a good dude. Don't give up on him for his opinions, I mean after all he is a self admitted Harley Fanboy who sells Harley-Davidson's so it is interesting to get his take on things. Give him another chance. Thanks for the kind words.
Thanks, I watch all of them!!. MCRider was a huge help when I first started riding and I watch him now to keep my safety mind in motion. Same with DanDanTheFireman.
@@Curtis7391-t8q Forgot that one! Would love to take a trip to Motorman's class. I think HD is losing BIG time by only offering new rider classes on Streets. It needs to offer an experienced class of slow speed control, parking lot maneuvering, picking up a dropped dresser, essentially the motor officer course type classes for those crossing over from sport/standard/sport-tour. That 400 to 800 pound jump needs to be addressed.
Thanks Brian. I’m sure Indian has this info already. Also, they won’t hire me because apparently I missed Savannah GA and then used it as an example of where they need a dealer lol. Whoops.
You would think that Polaris would have given an Indian franchise to all their previous Victory dealers to make up for them closing down Victory with no notice. Apparently, that didn't happen. There were 2 Victory dealers within 25 miles of me. The nearest one now is 60 miles away.
Gears & Gadgets Hi there, just done a quick check of dealerships here in the UK... looks like 30 Harley dealers vs 17 Indian dealers. Indian are catching up fast! 👍
Appreciate it!!! Met John, he’s a great guy, Blockhead is a legend and I watch all of his stuff, and Matt is another legend who at some point I will ride out 6 hours to go meet. All great guys.
Ha, very cool topic and I can certainly appreciate the in depth work it took to pull it off! I'm a Mat Laidlaw, Blockhead, John Maxwell and Shawn Smoak watcher...oh and Gears and Gadgets now. I own BMW and HD motorcycles but I love all things motorcycles (mostly).
Well, love your honest opinion so just stay like that I’m a fan! Love Adam Sandoval’s channel, Block head and dirty thumb from John Maxwell of course... ;) greeting from UK! ;)
It was brought to my attention that I originally missed 4 Indian Dealerships. Savannah GA, Greer SC, Greensboro, NC, and Ocala FL. I have since added them to the map. Let me know if you see any others I have missed. Updated Count: 188 Indian Dealerships, 683 Harley-Davidson Dealerships. It was really unfortunate but predictable that I would have used one that I missed of an example of one that is needed lol. Murphys Law.
I wish that I had the capital (and the expertise) to open up an Indian dealership. I think that the years ahead should be good news for those who have the ability to jump into this market!!!
@@GearsGadgets their website lists it. It's like one million liquid net worth, etc. Not cheap by any means and I would think you have to hold on until you gain traction plus it's a luxury item for many so if the economy ever tanks, you got troubles. The one in Delaware couldn't hang on until the popularity took off
They have a dealership in Maine, Paul Blouin Performance and I highly recommend them. They went above and beyond the expected to help me with my breakdown when I was up in Maine on my Indian Roadmaster. They had a technician come in on a Saturday to fix my bike
Thanks. I actually added it this morning on the map link in the description. Of course one of the few that I missed I had to use as an example of a place where they need one lol. Thanks for the heads up though.
In the UK we have more HD dealerships than Indian. Nearest Indian to me is around 60 miles where as HD are 2 miles! Shawn Smoag, Matt Laidlaw, Rapid Hedgehog and many others. Thanks
I spoke to a local Indian dealer .. here in missouri .. and they informed me that the warranty work can be done at any polaris dealer as well as Indian?? Might wanna look into this as well ... cause that could change there networking on that aspect . Adam sandavol.. mostly
I spoke with their marketing department and they say otherwise. I wouldn't have the resources to call every one of those dealers to verify who does, and who does not so I can't just put them all on and have a horribly inaccurate map that misleads people with wrong info. Adam Sandoval is the man.
What sucks is I live 120 miles from the nearest Indian dealership but I have a HD one in town and another close-by. Initial purchase is fine, but just the fact that I have to take a road trip just to take it and then pick it back up for service really sucks.
Adam Sandoval Rides, Fortnine, Revzilla, Bikes n Beards, Dan Dan the Fireman, Blockhead, John Maxwell, Flite Test, SRK Cycles, The History Guy, The RC Saylors,Yammie Noob, Drachenfell, Military History. Very interesting maps, Here in Tucson, we have 2 Harley dealerships and 1 Indian, Indian is in a tough location, but they are more or less centrally located for the area. Heck, I bought a 2018 HD Ultra Classic from Indian, because they beat Tucson & Old Pueblo HD's prices (same parent company). Next bike 3-5 years out will probably be an Indian Road Master or Challenger (if it has a touring model). Thanks for the great content. Glad to see another AZ moto-vlogger.
this was really cool. lots of work and sure appreciate the effort. I watch mat laidlaw, john Maxwell. adam sandavol, blockhead, moonfleet41 in England, thesmoaks, bikenbird, great egret, goss garage and tony cox. sure enjoy your channel. I love the format and am betting you are going to grow quickly. keep up the good work.i am retired and ride a 2018 heritage 114. and veteran of the U.S. Army 101st airborne so I got time lol.
MCRider and SRK Cycles are the two channels I seem to watch most consistently. I just found your channel the other day when looking into the Indian Challenger.
I've got a Harley Ultra I am really leaning towards the Challenger as its replacement.I have heard time and time again the same issue with Indian and dealerships that do not have a service center. Not only that but their dealer network is null and void vs. Harleys. Great advice and information I would not have thought of.
on my paris trip... although it was extended a lot ... 3 weeks.... i had two failures.... first was a keycap on my turn signal came off.... i stopped in Illinois, Kentucky, and Texas and none of them had the black ones or extended ones (all had chrome ones).... and all were like (none in the state/reasonable area to get) but it didnt stop me from proceeding.. however in Texas i had a rim failure...stock rim... not available anywhere in near area (even though I had the loss 7 miles from a dealer) ... so I'm not sure how helpful it really is.... now on the flip side, you mention the orlando excess... and sadly, even here in Miami we have 4ish in our area, and we have some pretty impressive wait times for service... especially near bike week, biketober, and starting about this time of year as the snowbirds come down.... almost every saturday my closest dealership is mobbed ... virtually no parking.. so i think its absolutely necessary ... even my break down in Texas.... was very early morning, got into the dealership around 10 am..... and while it did take an hour to get a similar rim in from another dealer... my bike came out 15 minutes AFTER closing (6:15pm) with me waiting on it... and they had 20 bikes come in and out in that time.... with them knowing I needed to make Mississippi that night (didn't happen) ... used to be travelers got priority, but yeah... as for channels, i don't watch many moto channels anymore.. used to be really active 6+ years ago before I moved south... but most of those motovlogers are .. not vlogging much anymore... but obviously Maxwell.... Adam is interesting, but content is a little all over the place for me.... do watch Bike-n-bird builds... blockhead at times... but really.. in the motorcycle sphere.. Rokkit44 is still one of my favorites ...
Wow thanks for all of the info. I appreciate it. Sorry you had those issues, that’s kind of my point that just because the dealers are plenty, doesn’t mean parts are readily available from any of them.
The network is growing. For a while there was only one dealer in all of British Columbia, Canada. As of this year two more opened up. Now. Granted California alone has more population than all of Canada I’m not surprised we don’t have more. But if Indian keeps up the good work I can see the popularity growing as well as the dealer network. I know when I made my video about the 10 things I hated about the scout bobber dealer network was one of them. Got a lot of flack for that video. Some people just can’t handle a bit of constructive criticism. Oh well. Love the bobber. Can’t wait to see what the challenger brings. And what new models they will bring out that feature the power plus! Great videos on covering the challenge. Sub’d. If you want other great Indian based video content check me out and all the other guys over at #indianMotorcycleWorld
Your Indian map is wrong. I live in North Georgia, and there are three dealerships within an hour of my house, and your map only shows two dealerships in the whole state. If that is wrong, there are no telling how many other dealerships are not on the map. Maybe Indian needs to update there map on the corporate site. (did you check Polaris dealerships, as most are Indian dealerships but may not be listed as such)
Oh, and I subscribe to: Blockhead John Maxwell Adam Sandoval Bike N' Bird Biker Switchboard Bikes and Beards Cycle World Dazzle Rebel Rides Doodle on a Motorcycle FortNine Kevin Baxter Klock Werks TwoWheelObsession And pretty much all of the Indian "Official" sites And now you!
Thanks Mark. I did not check Polaris locations only because I have no way of knowing which Polaris dealers would or wouldnt work on Indians. I cant add them all without knowing that fact. I only added the dealers Indian provides on their website so if it is under-represented it is based on their data. I have verified the state of Georgia on my map and I have all 3 dealers they list on the website.
@@GearsGadgets I understand, you can only do what you can do. As far as the dealerships in North Georgia, I only see two on the map (I may be wrong with the map zoomed). But there are three, Indian of Marietta, Atlanta Hwy Indian Dealership, and Mall of Georgia Indian. You map is missing the Atlanta Hwy Indian Dealership, (5960 Atlanta Hwy, Alpharetta, GA 30004). Great map though, maybe a crowd sourcing can fill in the gaps and Indian can come to you to get a better map, as they are obviously having trouble keeping their map up to date. (that dealership has been there since 2016, so they are way behind)
You just looked at Indian service, maybe Polaris service will add support. They may not have parts but nowdays overnight shipping is available. Add Polaris service to your map. Just a thought.
Hmmm. I will look into that possibly. Not sure if that is dangerous because I dont know how to qualify which Polaris service centers would or wouldnt work on bikes too. I dont want to overstate anything.
Thanks Grumps, I added Savannah this morning and just added Ocala based on your comment. I am going to keep adding anything I miss and updating that map. Appreciate the info!!!
John Maxwell Bike n Bird Adam Sandoval Blockhead Great stuff here man! I ride a 2018 Road Glide Special out of northeast Ohio and I average 11k miles a year. I’m most definitely going to check out the Indian Challenger! The only brand I’m loyal to is MADE IN AMERICA!
Great video -unique! A new dealership takes a lot of $. Even if adding Indian to an existing shop. They need someone willing to pay those costs (franchise fee, special flooring, fixtures, lighting & furniture). Complaint I hear is that not all dealers give good repair service. I have a great dealer. Victory had a great # of dealers as I toured. I hope Indian will continue to grow. BMW is who I think is lacking dealers. I carry AAA that covers any type of vehicle I drive + what my insurance roadside covers. If my bike could not get repaired I'm prepared to rent a small uhaul truck and carry it home. I've never been stranded with any of my bikes & I've been touring since 1990. I hope my luck continues. I'm also good on keeping up with my maintenance.
You got some good information and good channel so far just started watching you. I watch Blockhead, Matt Laidlaw, Srkcycles, Revzilla, fortnine and just started watching Adam Sandoval and John Maxwell. I am in PHX if you wanna meet up and ride.
Thanks I appreciate that. I am going to work on some group rides in the near future at some point. Stay tuned even though I have no clue when it will be haha
Concerning saturation, a city or town can get over saturated quickly but overtime a market will only handle a saturation level that is sustainable. So while u say it's over saturation. I think it's the right amount because the other HD stores would have & probably have closed down by now and also this drives the HD places to be at a better price for their bikes compared to Indian. Also, I honestly like having 4 HD dealerships within an hour. The closest Indian store is over an 1 1/2 away. So I wouldnt want to go to the bike night after work or just to stop on the way home to see what shirt/gear they have in stock. The only time I could go support the dealership is when i have half a day free and life just doesnt work like that all the time with family commitments. Plainly put, it's a huge benefit to having stores within ur living area and its a benefit that most people want. In this situation and across the nation concerning HD dealership compared to that of Indian, the saying that more options is better is true.
Great video, I am planning a four corners ride. I am a year out and have researched this map as well. Most of my route has an Indian Dealer in a reasonable distance.
one of the reasons I stick with Harley is the dealer network. I asked this question to an Indian salesperson and he told me they had 103 dealerships. I guess he was off a little. I did buy a Yamaha and found the customer service sucked. Maybe this is only in Las Vegas. I have been to many Harley dealerships and found the service is great and I've needed my bike repaired at some dealerships and was always taken in and back on the road very quickly. This includes them taking new parts off a new bike on the floor because they didn't have my part in stock. I do like Indian and maybe someday will give them a try. Thanks for the video
I really like that you showed all the dealers/locations. I went with Indian because of Harley’s reliability issues, they need more locations. I grew up in a Harley family and wanted a Harley but I love the alternative!
I don't hate on Matt. He is a salesman at a Harley dealership that bears his name. I get it. If he was trying to come off as unbiased I would understand why people got mad but he clearly says that he is a biased Harley fanboy so how could you be mad?
Great information. Your comments don't seem to take into account that someone in the location either has a motorcycle dealership already and applies, and pays to get the Indian or Harley brand. It largely comes down to someone deciding they can make enough money selling and servicing the bikes to open a dealership in a location.
Awesome content. When you look at the data you put together it paints a different picture. The Idea that you would be SOL on the open road with Indian does not hold as much weight. Take care.
I watch FortNine, RevZilla, MC rider, Snowtrax Dirttrax, SRK Cycles etc. Love your videos, keep up the great work breaking down the differences with HD and Indian. I’ve been riding for 2 years and I ride an FZ6 and love it but I can see one day going cruiser. For almost my whole I’ve rode snowmobiles and 4 wheelers, I know them well! I currently have a Polaris Switchback 800 pro S, my dad rides an RS Venture 1000 my kids each have a sled. I’ve been interested in Indian mostly since Polaris bought the name. Thanks again take care.
Interesting information! I also wondered how much of a network Indian had and I know! Thanks! I know if I were thinking about buying an Indian dealer support would be a big factor. I think when it comes to the over saturated H-D dealerships if the area couldn’t support the dealerships they would have gone out of business. Here in Tucson we’re lucky enough to have 2 dealers, Eastside and Westside so we have great coverage. I’m fortunate enough to live 5 minutes from one!
Fair enough. My point is just that if you NEEDED a dealer you have one. Having 6 in an emergency isn’t really necessary. I do understand there is some kind of value to choice though. I mean you could never argue that less is better for the customer
Cool video bro, very insightful. I’m pretty lucky, I have 4 Indian dealerships within 3 hours of me. I watch ASR, blocklead, jayfast, bearded bobber and of course F.N.G moto, he’s badass. Lol.
I think you'll find many more over the next few years. Another powersports dealer took up Indian here in Ontario just this past month. They were my Victory dealer when I purchased mine but also sold Ducati, suzuki yamaha KTM etc. I imagine it's an easy thing to put up a sign at existing powersports dealerships and dedicate some floor space to another brand if they don't conflict with sales and the floor space is available. We now have 2 in Southern Ontario. 1 is an hour ride away this one about 1 1/2. Not ideal considering HD is about 30 min away and every major city/town/Burgh seems to have one. Still it's not impossible to get your bike an hours drive away.
Good video. I've test-ridden Indians and currently own two Harleys. Interestingly, I take my Harleys to the Indian shop for service (he's really an independent shop that now sells Indians but he also has the largest used Harley selection in town, even more than the HD dealership, and is totally well-schooled on HD products). I've been impressed with Polaris and what it has done thus far with Indian. Give Polaris credit for starting Victory and yes, ending Victory, when it did and kudos to Polaris for revising Indian and putting out a hell of a product. And a 'dirty thumbs up' for HD for coming out with new products like LiveWire, Pan America, Streetfighter, etc. now and in the coming year. These two companies are now blending the best of tradition and innovation, something the Europeans and Japanese have been doing for years. It's time the Americans catch up!
I live south east Qld in Australia and Brisbane, sunshine and Gold Coast there are 4 HD dealership 3 of them owned by the same business just called different names and 1 independent dealer where Indian has 1 dealership in the same region. Even take into account Toowoomba to the west there another HD dealership there too. Same thing just different geography. But I don’t get pressure selled at an Indian dealership like a HD dealership.
Was thinking that was conveyed wrong, sorry! Out of 400,000 miles on Victory on the road 2 flats, and a broken drive belt ( which can be replaced in 45 mins) there that's the truth!!!
Great video one more video topic to squash the Indian haters! Watch Smoaks,Maxwell,Blockhead,Adam and just dropped Laidlaw because of his latest hate video. I only watch those that love riding and all bikes! His attitudes towards other brands is why I got rid of my Harley not into the love affair of a brand I just love to ride!
Awe Joe don’t drop Laidlaw he’s a good dude, give him one more chance lol. For real though I think he had some valid points and it’s interesting to hear the world through a Harley salesman. I appreciate that he is open and honest about his Harley fanboy position. I watch the rest of those guys and they are great.
My point isn’t closeness to your house for daily motorcycle ownership. My video was more or less a reply to the “If you buy an Indian, good luck ever finding a dealer around to work on it” comment I see so frequently.
After seeing this video on Indian / Harley dealerships for sales and service, I'm going to have to look at the number of say Honda dealerships compared with Harley. With Honda having the Goldwing as their touring flagship I'm now curious about any disparity between Harley n Honda.
And who needs 12 service centers in one spot? HD service centers are densely populated and over redundantly placed. While Indians numbers are fewer they are more strategically placed ...obviously with some room for growth. But to use that as your decision maker to buy HD to me is sheepish. My decision to buy Indian was because you get more bike for less money and it’s better better made then HD. So in essence breakdowns are not in the forefront of an Indian buyer so much as a Harley. That’s kinda like saying...oh shit this thing is gonna breakdown so much I better make sure service centers are all over. Not exactly prudent thought.
Minneapolis Metal Church/Matt Laidlaw/John Maxwell/Blockhead/ the ornery one/Shade Tree Surgeon/McRider/Jay Leno/El Guapo/D Cycle and others. Great research. There are more Indian dealers that are part of mutidealers. Meaning they do multiple brands. Doesn't mean they service. Enjoy your content! Hoorah
Hummmmm a more interesting comparison to me would be make, production numbers, then dealership locations. Harley is obvious but others like Indian, BMW, Honda etc might be shocking...LOL! Yep winters do matter as I live up north and motorcycle anything dies October - March.
Awesome video. I’ve mentioned several times that Indians dealer network is the only reason H-D doesn’t have to worry today. HD better pay attention, though, cuz Indian is coming fast and strong.
Thanks John. I REALLY hope HD accelerates whatever plan they have for the future of the Touring bikes because I think letting Indian get a 2 year jump with all the bells and whistles on the Challenger is a dangerous proposition. I know HD has the big piece of the pie but the longer they let Indian keep nibbling out a bigger chunk the more the discussion will start to sway in Indians favor. That is not a healthy position to be in for the motor company in 2021-22. I want Harley to swing for the fences with a touring product and try to make Indian look foolish with more than just a stern "Hey, you copied us"
@@GearsGadgets Indian just makes a better product. The dealership network will catch up. Just look at the 37% increase in sales for Indian this year, versus another record loss for Harley. Time to stop throwing shade on the other American motorcycle company because Harleys are inferior now in tech, powertrain, and just equal in name heritage.
I watch:
Blockhead
Matt laidlaw
John Maxwell
Shadetree surgeon
Fortnine
RevZilla
Traveling tall
Adam sandoval(epic guy)
Traveling tall(recently started watching)
Walterrific
Dandanthefireman
And many more 👍🏽
Thanks Sooraj, I watch all of those guys, just found Walterrific recently.
@@GearsGadgets forgot to mention chase on two wheels(custom bike builds+go pro mounting videos), srk cycles(famous motorcycles reviews)+bike and beard, moto cruza(opinion on motorcycles), jaret campisi( his custom bike builds)
sooraj sai after Matt Laidlaw n my aide his whining butt sore video a few days ago sniveling and petty crying over Indian I no longer watch him
@@robertevans9544 bro, he gives out good contents..no need to be like not watch him and all. Their will be always two parties, one against and one for. I always stay in the middle, i own an iron 883, in the future i might add an indian or some other brand to my garage. I love both the brands.
@@GearsGadgets I watch:
John Maxwell
Ryan Urlacher
Adam Sandoval
Doc Harley at low country Harley
Ride it Wrench it
Matt Laidlaw
Bike n Bird
Blockhead
Keep up the good work..........we need to promote the motorcycling lifestyle. I'm a Harley guy, but I like to see people join the sport regardless of the brand they choose.
I live in the burbs of Chicago. Just looking at dropping and picking up for service. Needing someone to give me a ride.
One dealer 15min from home, 2 at 30 min from home with Harley. Now look at Indian, over an hour away for the closest dealer. It makes a big difference when fitting in life.
Yeah I absolutely get that.
It's amazing how many people complain about tolerable distances when they "live to ride"
Lol true!! Although if your bike is broke that’s a different story.
Yeah, it's pretty tolerable to have to drive or ride 2 hours to a dealership just to look at a new motorcycle. Which then if you need parts or supplies you need to devote what will turn into an entire day to go get said parts or supplies. Same if you're planning on having the dealership service the bike. Then let's say you decide to buy a new bike, so it takes 2 hours to get to the dealership, God knows how long for the actual sales process, then 2 hours to ride home. I honestly wouldn't worry too much about a breakdown. If it's going to break, it's going to break, worry about it then. Besides, it's going to break after 4pm on a Saturday or sometime on a Sunday. Which is great, because a lot of HD dealers are open on Sunday for service. And honestly, I pretty much don't even ride mine unless we're going on some multi day motorcycle trip ie Rolling Thunder, The 105th Anniversary, we've got a trip planned for Yellowstone, etc. I work 50-60 hours a week and going to bike night is stupid, I'm not bothering to get the bike out of the garage unless I plan on being on it all day. So, Live to Ride is one thing, but if you have to spend an entire day just to go to and from the dealership to look at a new bike, that's another thing altogether. Which is why there is about 10 Harley's to 1 Indian out on the road currently. That number will probably pick up, but it'll take some time considering the the dealership network is at minimum 3-1 in Harley's favor.
Too true ! Love it, I rode 4.5hrs back to the dealer for my first service, I made a two day trip of it and it was awesome.
Later I found a place (not a dealer) that had a good reputation for servicing and building bikes that was only an hours ride. Much better.
I sure as hell would not buy another touring chassis HD, I’d ride even further for an Indian because after the service I’ve got to enjoy the ride the rest of the time! Rode the Indian, was blown away, yes it really is that good.
Awesome
Does the new Indian Challenger come with a Hemi?
Lol. Jokes.
Tim Regan 😂
The issue with Indian/Polaris is the dealer network is fragmented with Mom and Pop lawnmower shops that also sell side by sides and snow mobiles and maybe have an Indian on the showroom floor. No way the tech or parts departments are as well trained and stocked as the Harley Davidson dealers. Now I know Indian is really been trying to fix this, however I feel they really have a long way to go. Personally I like walking into a dealer and all they sell, service and have people who are Harley, then an Indian dealer who sells and services Kawasaki, Triumph, Yamaha, Polaris OHHHHH and Indians over there in the middle of the room! Nope not for me sorry!
Fair enough.
My Indian dealer is a dedicated Indian dealer with some Royal Enfield and Urals. There are Polaris dealers a few miles further but they don't deal bikes at all.
I live in Australia where Harley dealerships vs Indian dealerships is more pronounced. With the consistent number of Harley dealerships in a small location, if I breakdown on a trip and need parts, one of the Harley shops may have a part that can be shipped quickly to the repair shop where my bike is but does not have my broken replacement. That means I can have a part sent from across town in a short time, have my broken item replaced and be back on the road quickly. With an Indian motorcycle, I may need to book accommodation and waste time while waiting for a delivery from another Indian repair shop if the one repairing my motorcycle doesn't have a replacement part. Therefore, having more Harley dealerships, even if close to one another, has benefits when riding across the country or interstate.
Thanks Natas, I only had time (barely) to map the US. If this video gets 1,000,000 views I will map the rest of the globe lol. Appreciate the comment!!
The one problem with Indian dealerships is, all the ones near me( Detroit Mi) aren't just Indian. For example my brother had a problem with his roadmaster. He called the Honda/Indina dealer and was told they only have 1 Indina tech and it would be 3 weeks until they could look at it. If he had a honda they could have gotten to it in a day or 2. Until they change to Indian only dealerships this will be a issue.
Yeah that is certainly a concern. Thanks for the info!!
In thing you maybe missing on this is 20 miles in one area of the country could be an hour or more ride as 80 miles in another just because of speed limits and stop lights is the same amount of time. I live 8 miles from my nearest Harley dealer but choose to drive 17 miles to the second one by me because I can get there faster.
Fair enough!!
It's obvious that you did a lot of work on this. I appreciate it and tip my hat to you Sir.
Thanks for noticing Bob. I appreciate it!!
I watch all guys in Indian Motorcycle World. Brandon Bicasso, open roader, dazzle Rebel rides, meatball Rebel, the Aussie and the Indian, Chuxtr etc
Thanks I just subbed to all of them. I was already subbed to Dazzle but none of the others. Just trying to find new content to scope out.
Outback Outlaw Indian motorcycle world for the win!
Jay Fast you know it man
Chuxtr of course Chuxtr only one of ya out there
I live in yreka ca there are 2 Harley dealerships within 90 miles of my house . Indian the closest dealer is about 300 miles away wich was a major factor in choosing a new Harley that I purchased last month.
Yeah I understand it from a purchasing point of view, my point was more focused on showing you won’t be stranded 1000 miles from the closest Indian dealership on the side of the road.
Indian motorcycles won't break down like a Harley.
@@Sig721Tau U own a Indian. Just a stupid comment
You can tell when people have no clue what they are talking about. You can find Harley's 20 plus year's old still on the road but people think they break down lol. None of my harleys have left me stranded. People should ride what they like and not act like what they don't like is crap. Indian or harley neither have the best cc or the newest technology BMW, honda and others have much better when comes to just about any category in riding so it's like arguing over what's the best 4th place lol. I like harley so that's what's I ride and it doesn't bother me what anyone else rides as long as they enjoy the ride
@@Sig721Tau I've owned a Yamaha, two Victorys and three HDs...none have broken down on me out on the road. I keep the maintenance up. Never had a problem. My bike experience over the last 10+ years completely disagrees with your generic statement.
Million Dollar Bogan.... best channel on the Tube!
I think Million Dollar Bogan is doing incredible things that most of us don’t have the resources to do and it is awesome to watch. He really does a great job telling motorcycle stories.
I second that... wears his heart on his sleeve!
"Popping a dealership" is a tough, risky business ... especially for Indian. That said, one thing I have seen across the country is that Indian dealerships are smaller, their repair facilities are smaller. Their mechanics are often times busy with other brands that include three and four wheelers. Their business hours are almost always more similar to Japanese/European shops. That means they are much more likely to be flippin' CLOSED on Saturday afternoons and Sundays. THAT'S what I mean by customer service.
Thats true.
This is a great video for someone deciding on a bike thanks!
No problem TW. Thanks for watching!!
You get a sub from me. As a Harley rider (because military history and family) I never even looked at an Indian because i assumed there where not enough dealerships. Thanks you for your unbiased video on just facts.
Thanks Mr. T, I appreciate it!! I try to be as unbiased as possible.
I really appreciate your time and dedication to putting this map together for us! Also, your recent Challenger videos as I'm very excited about that announcement. I watch pretty much anyone who rides or reviews 2018 or newer Harley Baggers/Softails or Indian models, which is how I found your channel originally when you bought that sick Heritage Softail. Overall I prefer Indians, but I ride Harleys all year through their Eagle Rider program and really love and appreciate both companies.
Thanks Derrp!! I am happy to have you. Thanks for appreciating my efforts.
I did watch Matt Laidlaw but life’s too short for negativity. John Maxwell. Jons Moto Garage. Traveling Tall. The Smoaks. Brandon Bicasso. The Bearded Bobber. Stark Nakked. 650lb. Gears & Gadgets. Adam Sandoval etc etc lol
Naw don’t hate on Matt. He’s a good dude. Don’t bail on him. Maxwell is the man, Jon’s Moto Garage is going to be big, been subbed to Traveling Tall for a min. Just subbed to Bicasso a min ago, Bearded Bobber I thought I was subbed but wasn’t so thanks for making me see that, and Sandoval is awesome!!!
Agreed, far too many examples of Laidlaw acting like a douche.
I have to agree. Matt's rant and put downs on Indian went way too far. In the US one of our core values is competition and that means you beat the other guy by coming up with a better product /service. A public rant is something a school boy loser would do. Sorry Matt, Unsubscribed.
I agree, Matt lost my respect after his latest "roast". I get it, he (his parents, lol) own an HD dealer that he walked into. He's an entitled brat from CA.
Yeah, I watch Brandon Bicasso, The Bearded Bobber, DanDanTheFireman, MCRider, and OpenRoaderChris.
Great topic btw. This is one of the biggest concerns I hear from viewers regarding indian motorcycles as well.
Thanks. It took WAY too much time to map all of those locations but I felt it was worth it and something I didn’t see yet not only on TH-cam but the internet in general.
@@GearsGadgets I'm going 5o defer people to this vid on the comments.moving forward. Lol. Super useful for anyone on the fence about indian foe that reason.
Great job at doing this. I was wondering about dealer network myself
@@GearsGadgets enjoyed your channel but was sad to see that our Indian dealership in Greer SC was left off of the list.
Sorry man, I had to map 830+ dealerships and neither website made it super easy to do it. Looks like I missed savannah GA too. I will add both to the map. That’s why I said I didn’t claim it was 100% accurate but close.
Dude here are the facts ! Harley Davidson has way , way, way , hold on Way more bikes on the road than Indian ! In my area one Harley dealership has a one month wait for a 10 Thousand mile service so I went to a closer Harley Dealership that has a three day wait . I’m happy that locally there are three Harley Dealerships within a 20 mile range of me! Indian doesn’t have the volume of bikes on the road that Harley does & Never Will!
Fair enough. My approach to this video wasn't from a frequent service point of view but more of a, if you beak down on a trip, don't stress because the idea that there are not enough Indian dealers around isn't totally accurate.
Well Harley’s been around for How Long vs Polaris restoring the Indian Brand. Indian will catch up in time.
I agree. I think they are strategically heading that way.
Geico!! Same here and their service has helped me more than once
Yeah I am happy with Geico (I think), luckily never had to use them.
Great video Dan.
I watch:
John Maxwell
Adam Sandoval
Gears and gadgets
Unknown industries
Shadetree
Fortnine (best MC channel on YT)
I used to watch Matt Laidlaw but after his latest video he is now a whiny baby and too negative.
Good content man👍🏻
HAHA thanks Matt. I watch all of the same except Unknown Industries just subbed and will check them out. I will tell you like I've told some of the others. Don't be too hard on Matt he means well and is a good dude. Don't give up on him for his opinions, I mean after all he is a self admitted Harley Fanboy who sells Harley-Davidson's so it is interesting to get his take on things. Give him another chance. Thanks for the kind words.
He may be whiny but he's not wrong
Nice!
I watch Blockhead, John Maxwell, Matt Laidlaw, Doowork, SRK Cycles, Traveling Tall, and MCRider (excellent safety)
Thanks, I watch all of them!!. MCRider was a huge help when I first started riding and I watch him now to keep my safety mind in motion. Same with DanDanTheFireman.
Love MCRider as well...learned so much about riding a motorcycle also love watching ride like a pro
@@Curtis7391-t8q Forgot that one! Would love to take a trip to Motorman's class. I think HD is losing BIG time by only offering new rider classes on Streets. It needs to offer an experienced class of slow speed control, parking lot maneuvering, picking up a dropped dresser, essentially the motor officer course type classes for those crossing over from sport/standard/sport-tour. That 400 to 800 pound jump needs to be addressed.
@@mgelliott1 did the class in Houston, well worth the money, really learned the slow maneuvers...
I love a good data junkie. Thank you! Subscribed! Polaris ought hire you for growth strategy.
Thanks Brian. I’m sure Indian has this info already. Also, they won’t hire me because apparently I missed Savannah GA and then used it as an example of where they need a dealer lol. Whoops.
You would think that Polaris would have given an Indian franchise to all their previous Victory dealers to make up for them closing down Victory with no notice. Apparently, that didn't happen. There were 2 Victory dealers within 25 miles of me. The nearest one now is 60 miles away.
I don't know enough about the business to say one way or the other. Maybe some had options or there was a huge expense to rebrand?
My nearest dealer in Western Australia is over 3000kms away.
Lol. I can’t map every country, the US took to long. If this video hits 1,000,000 views I will do it worldwide and livestream how miserable it is lol.
The lack of service centers isn't as bad as the lack of service hours and days.
Fair
Harley is like the Starbucks of motorcycle dealers.
lol kind of true.
@@GearsGadgets they both sell a over priced product?
Even though I’m based in England I found this information really interesting. Great work!
Thanks Steve!! Maybe if this video gets 1,000,000 views I will start mapping the entire globe lol.
Gears & Gadgets
Hi there, just done a quick check of dealerships here in the UK... looks like 30 Harley dealers vs 17 Indian dealers. Indian are catching up fast! 👍
I bought an Indian with the confidence that it wouldn't have Harley issues.😁👍
cruiser_power_ranger 1901 preach
Fair enough. Kind of a mic drop there lol
I wonder how much this has changed from 3 years ago. I know in Kansas there are now only 3 official Harley Dealerships.
I watch Blockhead, John Maxwell, Matt Laidlaw.
Appreciate it!!! Met John, he’s a great guy, Blockhead is a legend and I watch all of his stuff, and Matt is another legend who at some point I will ride out 6 hours to go meet. All great guys.
That was cool. Found it doing my own search trying to justify a new Indian over a new H-D. Thank you for doing all the leg work!
Ha, very cool topic and I can certainly appreciate the in depth work it took to pull it off! I'm a Mat Laidlaw, Blockhead, John Maxwell and Shawn Smoak watcher...oh and Gears and Gadgets now. I own BMW and HD motorcycles but I love all things motorcycles (mostly).
Thanks Co. Appreciate the comment. I watch all those guys.
You’re really hitting your stride now, love the balanced view and great info. Cheers.
Thanks!! It feels weird. Haha. Cheers
Well, love your honest opinion so just stay like that I’m a fan! Love Adam Sandoval’s channel, Block head and dirty thumb from John Maxwell of course... ;) greeting from UK! ;)
Thanks George!! I watch those guys too. Great content from all.
It was brought to my attention that I originally missed 4 Indian Dealerships. Savannah GA, Greer SC, Greensboro, NC, and Ocala FL. I have since added them to the map. Let me know if you see any others I have missed. Updated Count: 188 Indian Dealerships, 683 Harley-Davidson Dealerships. It was really unfortunate but predictable that I would have used one that I missed of an example of one that is needed lol. Murphys Law.
... or Sod’s Law if you live in the UK. 😀
No problem, thanks for watching Thomas.
Sadly this is 3 years old... and I know of a few of these Indian dealerships listed that are closed down now.
I wish that I had the capital (and the expertise) to open up an Indian dealership. I think that the years ahead should be good news for those who have the ability to jump into this market!!!
How much does it cost, I have a couple hundred bucks to toss in lol
@@GearsGadgets their website lists it. It's like one million liquid net worth, etc. Not cheap by any means and I would think you have to hold on until you gain traction plus it's a luxury item for many so if the economy ever tanks, you got troubles. The one in Delaware couldn't hang on until the popularity took off
They have a dealership in Maine, Paul Blouin Performance and I highly recommend them. They went above and beyond the expected to help me with my breakdown when I was up in Maine on my Indian Roadmaster. They had a technician come in on a Saturday to fix my bike
Yeah I have them on my map.
Thanks for doing all that extensive legwork . That is very interesting and good info.
No problem Jim, thanks for watching!!
You did exactly what I tried to do, I just got tired of trying to locate all of em thanks for the knowledge.
No problem, thanks for watching.
What does that look like if you overlay the major highways and interstates?
If you goto the link in my description you can change map types and zoom around to check it out.
@@GearsGadgets will do, thank you! Great videos!
Great vid thx for the Info I guessed way low.
Sure thing David. Thanks for watching!!
There is an Indian dealership in Savannah Georgia that isn’t listed.
Thanks. I actually added it this morning on the map link in the description. Of course one of the few that I missed I had to use as an example of a place where they need one lol. Thanks for the heads up though.
I'm in northern CA and my nearest Indian dealer is 3 hours away. It's honestly the only thing holding me back at this point.
In the UK we have more HD dealerships than Indian. Nearest Indian to me is around 60 miles where as HD are 2 miles! Shawn Smoag, Matt Laidlaw, Rapid Hedgehog and many others. Thanks
Thanks, I watch all those guys too. If this video gets 1,000,000 views maybe I will map the entire globe lol
I spoke to a local Indian dealer .. here in missouri .. and they informed me that the warranty work can be done at any polaris dealer as well as Indian?? Might wanna look into this as well ... cause that could change there networking on that aspect
. Adam sandavol.. mostly
I spoke with their marketing department and they say otherwise. I wouldn't have the resources to call every one of those dealers to verify who does, and who does not so I can't just put them all on and have a horribly inaccurate map that misleads people with wrong info. Adam Sandoval is the man.
@@GearsGadgets nope I agree .. maybe o was mislead
What sucks is I live 120 miles from the nearest Indian dealership but I have a HD one in town and another close-by. Initial purchase is fine, but just the fact that I have to take a road trip just to take it and then pick it back up for service really sucks.
It’s very expensive to start up a dealership and have enough sales to keep the doors open , and then the base of Indian riders is a factor also
True
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Very interesting maps, Here in Tucson, we have 2 Harley dealerships and 1 Indian, Indian is in a tough location, but they are more or less centrally located for the area. Heck, I bought a 2018 HD Ultra Classic from Indian, because they beat Tucson & Old Pueblo HD's prices (same parent company). Next bike 3-5 years out will probably be an Indian Road Master or Challenger (if it has a touring model).
Thanks for the great content.
Glad to see another AZ moto-vlogger.
Thanks Joshua. Happy to be here!!
this was really cool. lots of work and sure appreciate the effort. I watch mat laidlaw, john Maxwell. adam sandavol, blockhead, moonfleet41 in England, thesmoaks, bikenbird, great egret, goss garage and tony cox. sure enjoy your channel. I love the format and am betting you are going to grow quickly. keep up the good work.i am retired and ride a 2018 heritage 114. and veteran of the U.S. Army 101st airborne so I got time lol.
Thanks Robert. I sub to most those guys but will check out the others. I appreciate the kind words.
MCRider and SRK Cycles are the two channels I seem to watch most consistently. I just found your channel the other day when looking into the Indian Challenger.
Thanks Rev!! Both great channels, I sub to them both.
Big difference between the size, number of techs and generally hours of operation of these 2 motorcycle dealership operations.
Good point.
If they didn't break all the time you wouldn't need all those shops
Lol
I've got a Harley Ultra I am really leaning towards the Challenger as its replacement.I have heard time and time again the same issue with Indian and dealerships that do not have a service center. Not only that but their dealer network is null and void vs. Harleys. Great advice and information I would not have thought of.
No problem Doty, I love looking at data especially when it comes to old wives tales floating around and frequently stated as definitive facts.
Great job with this!
Thanks, it took a TON of time and didn't get nearly the views I thought it would, but I loved doing it.
on my paris trip... although it was extended a lot ... 3 weeks.... i had two failures.... first was a keycap on my turn signal came off.... i stopped in Illinois, Kentucky, and Texas and none of them had the black ones or extended ones (all had chrome ones).... and all were like (none in the state/reasonable area to get) but it didnt stop me from proceeding.. however in Texas i had a rim failure...stock rim... not available anywhere in near area (even though I had the loss 7 miles from a dealer) ... so I'm not sure how helpful it really is.... now on the flip side, you mention the orlando excess... and sadly, even here in Miami we have 4ish in our area, and we have some pretty impressive wait times for service... especially near bike week, biketober, and starting about this time of year as the snowbirds come down.... almost every saturday my closest dealership is mobbed ... virtually no parking.. so i think its absolutely necessary ... even my break down in Texas.... was very early morning, got into the dealership around 10 am..... and while it did take an hour to get a similar rim in from another dealer... my bike came out 15 minutes AFTER closing (6:15pm) with me waiting on it... and they had 20 bikes come in and out in that time.... with them knowing I needed to make Mississippi that night (didn't happen) ... used to be travelers got priority, but yeah... as for channels, i don't watch many moto channels anymore.. used to be really active 6+ years ago before I moved south... but most of those motovlogers are .. not vlogging much anymore... but obviously Maxwell.... Adam is interesting, but content is a little all over the place for me.... do watch Bike-n-bird builds... blockhead at times... but really.. in the motorcycle sphere.. Rokkit44 is still one of my favorites ...
Wow thanks for all of the info. I appreciate it. Sorry you had those issues, that’s kind of my point that just because the dealers are plenty, doesn’t mean parts are readily available from any of them.
The network is growing. For a while there was only one dealer in all of British Columbia, Canada. As of this year two more opened up. Now. Granted California alone has more population than all of Canada I’m not surprised we don’t have more. But if Indian keeps up the good work I can see the popularity growing as well as the dealer network. I know when I made my video about the 10 things I hated about the scout bobber dealer network was one of them. Got a lot of flack for that video. Some people just can’t handle a bit of constructive criticism.
Oh well. Love the bobber. Can’t wait to see what the challenger brings. And what new models they will bring out that feature the power plus!
Great videos on covering the challenge. Sub’d. If you want other great Indian based video content check me out and all the other guys over at #indianMotorcycleWorld
Thanks Jay!! I just subbed to your channel and will check it out!!
Your Indian map is wrong. I live in North Georgia, and there are three dealerships within an hour of my house, and your map only shows two dealerships in the whole state. If that is wrong, there are no telling how many other dealerships are not on the map. Maybe Indian needs to update there map on the corporate site. (did you check Polaris dealerships, as most are Indian dealerships but may not be listed as such)
Oh, and I subscribe to:
Blockhead
John Maxwell
Adam Sandoval
Bike N' Bird
Biker Switchboard
Bikes and Beards
Cycle World
Dazzle Rebel Rides
Doodle on a Motorcycle
FortNine
Kevin Baxter
Klock Werks
TwoWheelObsession
And pretty much all of the Indian "Official" sites
And now you!
Thanks Mark. I did not check Polaris locations only because I have no way of knowing which Polaris dealers would or wouldnt work on Indians. I cant add them all without knowing that fact. I only added the dealers Indian provides on their website so if it is under-represented it is based on their data. I have verified the state of Georgia on my map and I have all 3 dealers they list on the website.
@@GearsGadgets I understand, you can only do what you can do. As far as the dealerships in North Georgia, I only see two on the map (I may be wrong with the map zoomed). But there are three, Indian of Marietta, Atlanta Hwy Indian Dealership, and Mall of Georgia Indian. You map is missing the Atlanta Hwy Indian Dealership, (5960 Atlanta Hwy, Alpharetta, GA 30004). Great map though, maybe a crowd sourcing can fill in the gaps and Indian can come to you to get a better map, as they are obviously having trouble keeping their map up to date. (that dealership has been there since 2016, so they are way behind)
Great analysis! Well done
Thanks!!! I was hoping people would appreciate it!!
You just looked at Indian service, maybe Polaris service will add support. They may not have parts but nowdays overnight shipping is available. Add Polaris service to your map. Just a thought.
Hmmm. I will look into that possibly. Not sure if that is dangerous because I dont know how to qualify which Polaris service centers would or wouldnt work on bikes too. I dont want to overstate anything.
I see a data flaw in south. There's a dealership in Savannah, Ga and in Ocala Fl.
Thanks Grumps, I added Savannah this morning and just added Ocala based on your comment. I am going to keep adding anything I miss and updating that map. Appreciate the info!!!
John Maxwell
Bike n Bird
Adam Sandoval
Blockhead
Great stuff here man! I ride a 2018 Road Glide Special out of northeast Ohio and I average 11k miles a year. I’m most definitely going to check out the Indian Challenger! The only brand I’m loyal to is MADE IN AMERICA!
Thanks Steve!! I watch all of those guys too. And I agree with you about brand loyalty.
Great video -unique! A new dealership takes a lot of $. Even if adding Indian to an existing shop. They need someone willing to pay those costs (franchise fee, special flooring, fixtures, lighting & furniture). Complaint I hear is that not all dealers give good repair service. I have a great dealer. Victory had a great # of dealers as I toured. I hope Indian will continue to grow. BMW is who I think is lacking dealers. I carry AAA that covers any type of vehicle I drive + what my insurance roadside covers. If my bike could not get repaired I'm prepared to rent a small uhaul truck and carry it home. I've never been stranded with any of my bikes & I've been touring since 1990. I hope my luck continues. I'm also good on keeping up with my maintenance.
Thanks Jim. That is valid and an argument pro-over saturated HD dealers, choice is never a bad thing from a consumer perspective.
You got some good information and good channel so far just started watching you. I watch Blockhead, Matt Laidlaw, Srkcycles, Revzilla, fortnine and just started watching Adam Sandoval and John Maxwell. I am in PHX if you wanna meet up and ride.
Thanks I appreciate that. I am going to work on some group rides in the near future at some point. Stay tuned even though I have no clue when it will be haha
Concerning saturation, a city or town can get over saturated quickly but overtime a market will only handle a saturation level that is sustainable. So while u say it's over saturation. I think it's the right amount because the other HD stores would have & probably have closed down by now and also this drives the HD places to be at a better price for their bikes compared to Indian. Also, I honestly like having 4 HD dealerships within an hour. The closest Indian store is over an 1 1/2 away. So I wouldnt want to go to the bike night after work or just to stop on the way home to see what shirt/gear they have in stock. The only time I could go support the dealership is when i have half a day free and life just doesnt work like that all the time with family commitments. Plainly put, it's a huge benefit to having stores within ur living area and its a benefit that most people want. In this situation and across the nation concerning HD dealership compared to that of Indian, the saying that more options is better is true.
True.
Indianapolis Indian dealer on 16th street closed a month or two back. Falcone powersports, multi brand dealer
August 31
BMW side Oct 31
I don't think that one is on my map, either way I just went with all of the dealers listed on the internet.
Gears & Gadgets you do have it listed. It’s the one on 16th street. I do get you just listed the ones on the net, but that one is not available
Great video, I am planning a four corners ride. I am a year out and have researched this map as well. Most of my route has an Indian Dealer in a reasonable distance.
Yeah I agree. Thanks David.
Great video Sir! 👌🏻 👍🏻
Ornery One, Adam Sandoval, John Maxwell, Bike ‘n Bird, Matt Laidlaw are the ones I’ve been watching.
All great channels. I watch them all
one of the reasons I stick with Harley is the dealer network. I asked this question to an Indian salesperson and he told me they had 103 dealerships. I guess he was off a little. I did buy a Yamaha and found the customer service sucked. Maybe this is only in Las Vegas. I have been to many Harley dealerships and found the service is great and I've needed my bike repaired at some dealerships and was always taken in and back on the road very quickly. This includes them taking new parts off a new bike on the floor because they didn't have my part in stock. I do like Indian and maybe someday will give them a try. Thanks for the video
No problem, thanks for the comment.
But you may find more independent Harley repair shops across the country than independent Indian repair shops.
that is very true and I didn’t really take that into consideration.
I really like that you showed all the dealers/locations. I went with Indian because of Harley’s reliability issues, they need more locations. I grew up in a Harley family and wanted a Harley but I love the alternative!
Thanks Jim, It took a minute lol
Thanks for the info man. 👍
I look at the (locate harley davidson) app all the time collecting coins. It's a must have app. Great video man.
Thanks Dan!!
Smoaks Vlogs, Harley day Rider, NC Stoney, 650iB, Memphis Mike, moose 3971...etc
Thanks Larry!! I will check them out!!
whats your opinion on laidlaws new yt video?
I don't hate on Matt. He is a salesman at a Harley dealership that bears his name. I get it. If he was trying to come off as unbiased I would understand why people got mad but he clearly says that he is a biased Harley fanboy so how could you be mad?
Helena Montana would be a good place, its in the middle of the gap for them and in the middle of the state.
Yeah I agree!
Great information. Your comments don't seem to take into account that someone in the location either has a motorcycle dealership already and applies, and pays to get the Indian or Harley brand. It largely comes down to someone deciding they can make enough money selling and servicing the bikes to open a dealership in a location.
True. Thanks for the comment Dave!!
Savannah,GA actually has an Indian dealership.
Thanks David, I missed it and of course randomly used it as an example of where one was needed. I since added it to the map. Thanks for the heads up.
I look for a unbiased review that is informative.
Thanks Peter. I try to be as unbiased as possible. I appreciate the truth.
Awesome content. When you look at the data you put together it paints a different picture. The Idea that you would be SOL on the open road with Indian does not hold as much weight. Take care.
True, Thanks BCB
I watch FortNine, RevZilla, MC rider, Snowtrax Dirttrax, SRK Cycles etc. Love your videos, keep up the great work breaking down the differences with HD and Indian. I’ve been riding for 2 years and I ride an FZ6 and love it but I can see one day going cruiser. For almost my whole I’ve rode snowmobiles and 4 wheelers, I know them well! I currently have a Polaris Switchback 800 pro S, my dad rides an RS Venture 1000 my kids each have a sled. I’ve been interested in Indian mostly since Polaris bought the name. Thanks again take care.
Thanks Marc, I sub to all of them except Snowtrax and Dirtrax, I will check them out. I appreciate the kind words.
Interesting information! I also wondered how much of a network Indian had and I know! Thanks! I know if I were thinking about buying an Indian dealer support would be a big factor. I think when it comes to the over saturated H-D dealerships if the area couldn’t support the dealerships they would have gone out of business. Here in Tucson we’re lucky enough to have 2 dealers, Eastside and Westside so we have great coverage. I’m fortunate enough to live 5 minutes from one!
Fair enough. My point is just that if you NEEDED a dealer you have one. Having 6 in an emergency isn’t really necessary. I do understand there is some kind of value to choice though. I mean you could never argue that less is better for the customer
Cool video bro, very insightful. I’m pretty lucky, I have 4 Indian dealerships within 3 hours of me. I watch ASR, blocklead, jayfast, bearded bobber and of course F.N.G moto, he’s badass. Lol.
Thanks FNG!!!. I just subbed to your channel (thought I already did)
Gears & Gadgets oh man thanks dude.
Has there been an increase in Indian motorcycle dealerships?
Possibly interesting idea to revisit.
It would be nice to see how much has changed since the last time you did this. 🤔
I think you'll find many more over the next few years. Another powersports dealer took up Indian here in Ontario just this past month. They were my Victory dealer when I purchased mine but also sold Ducati, suzuki yamaha KTM etc. I imagine it's an easy thing to put up a sign at existing powersports dealerships and dedicate some floor space to another brand if they don't conflict with sales and the floor space is available. We now have 2 in Southern Ontario. 1 is an hour ride away this one about 1 1/2. Not ideal considering HD is about 30 min away and every major city/town/Burgh seems to have one. Still it's not impossible to get your bike an hours drive away.
Yeah I agree, an hour isn't the worst thing in the world.
Good video. I've test-ridden Indians and currently own two Harleys. Interestingly, I take my Harleys to the Indian shop for service (he's really an independent shop that now sells Indians but he also has the largest used Harley selection in town, even more than the HD dealership, and is totally well-schooled on HD products). I've been impressed with Polaris and what it has done thus far with Indian. Give Polaris credit for starting Victory and yes, ending Victory, when it did and kudos to Polaris for revising Indian and putting out a hell of a product. And a 'dirty thumbs up' for HD for coming out with new products like LiveWire, Pan America, Streetfighter, etc. now and in the coming year. These two companies are now blending the best of tradition and innovation, something the Europeans and Japanese have been doing for years. It's time the Americans catch up!
Thanks Toby!!! Great info.
I live south east Qld in Australia and Brisbane, sunshine and Gold Coast there are 4 HD dealership 3 of them owned by the same business just called different names and 1 independent dealer where Indian has 1 dealership in the same region. Even take into account Toowoomba to the west there another HD dealership there too. Same thing just different geography. But I don’t get pressure selled at an Indian dealership like a HD dealership.
Thanks for the info. I will have to dive further into international stuff at some point.
On 2nd Victory! Flat tires basically 98% of time! Mine don't seem to break down much!
Damn how many flat tires to do you get? lol
Was thinking that was conveyed wrong, sorry! Out of 400,000 miles on Victory on the road 2 flats, and a broken drive belt ( which can be replaced in 45 mins) there that's the truth!!!
Great video one more video topic to squash the Indian haters! Watch Smoaks,Maxwell,Blockhead,Adam and just dropped Laidlaw because of his latest hate video. I only watch those that love riding and all bikes! His attitudes towards other brands is why I got rid of my Harley not into the love affair of a brand I just love to ride!
Awe Joe don’t drop Laidlaw he’s a good dude, give him one more chance lol. For real though I think he had some valid points and it’s interesting to hear the world through a Harley salesman. I appreciate that he is open and honest about his Harley fanboy position. I watch the rest of those guys and they are great.
I watch John Maxwell, Blockhead, Adam Sandavol, Shadtree Surgeon, Fortnine, Revzilla, MCRider, Motorcycle.com and Matt Laidlaw
Thanks Dean. Longtime sub of all those guys!!
I have a dealership 6 miles from my house, if it was 3 miles from my house that would be better for me. I don’t understand some of your thinking.
My point isn’t closeness to your house for daily motorcycle ownership. My video was more or less a reply to the “If you buy an Indian, good luck ever finding a dealer around to work on it” comment I see so frequently.
After seeing this video on Indian / Harley dealerships for sales and service, I'm going to have to look at the number of say Honda dealerships compared with Harley. With Honda having the Goldwing as their touring flagship I'm now curious about any disparity between Harley n Honda.
Yeah it would be interesting to map them all but I don’t have that kind of time lol.
And who needs 12 service centers in one spot? HD service centers are densely populated and over redundantly placed. While Indians numbers are fewer they are more strategically placed ...obviously with some room for growth. But to use that as your decision maker to buy HD to me is sheepish. My decision to buy Indian was because you get more bike for less money and it’s better better made then HD. So in essence breakdowns are not in the forefront of an Indian buyer so much as a Harley. That’s kinda like saying...oh shit this thing is gonna breakdown so much I better make sure service centers are all over. Not exactly prudent thought.
Fair enough!! Thanks Brian.
Thanks for putting this together!
I watch:
Traveling Tall
Blockhead
Fortnine
Dandanthefireman
RevZilla
Her Two Wheels
Thanks!!
Minneapolis Metal Church/Matt Laidlaw/John Maxwell/Blockhead/ the ornery one/Shade Tree Surgeon/McRider/Jay Leno/El Guapo/D Cycle and others.
Great research. There are more Indian dealers that are part of mutidealers. Meaning they do multiple brands. Doesn't mean they service.
Enjoy your content!
Hoorah
Thanks Razz!! I will check them out
Hummmmm a more interesting comparison to me would be make, production numbers, then dealership locations. Harley is obvious but others like Indian, BMW, Honda etc might be shocking...LOL! Yep winters do matter as I live up north and motorcycle anything dies October - March.
Yeah Sam I get it, I am originally from Buffalo, NY and everyone just put their bikes in Hibernation mode until March.