Been doin firewood and tree work For 40 years .4 years ago after watching Buckin sharpen a chain it got even better lol ! Remember our 🪓 of kindness Army😎👍👍👊
In watching all your videos I have gone from descent at sharpening chain to really good. That said I still learn so much every time I watch your videos. I appreciate the time and effort you put into all these videos, keep it up it makes professional amateurs like myself get better every day.
Billy, your a highly skilled woodsman that’s obvious but your also an educator and a philosopher. I appreciate the way you ended this video, challenging others to put their ideas and experience out. When I worked I often challenged those I worked with to voice their ideas and to challenge mine. Good ideas and practices will stand up to being challenged bad ideas won’t .
Aussie wood cutter here. Over about 24 years I have tried all the different chains to figure what cuts best, lasts longest etc in Aussie hardwoods which are frankly brutal on chain. The following I found out through trial and error. Aussie hardwood is a complex mixture of resins, silica, minerals and very hard fibres. Regular bar oil is okay but not ideal. One day when I had run out I used 10 40 diesel motor oil instead on Ironbark which is an absolute bastard to cut dry. The chain ran cooler and stayed sharp way longer. It cut faster too. Because it's less sticky it sprays oil on to the teeth as they cut. It also stops the chain gumming up with resin. I use full chisel chain now. It cuts a lot faster than round ground and it's quicker to resharpen. I hand file. Every third sharpening I use the new Stihl file guide to get the rakers down. I like it. It works for me. The other thing I always do is run the chain till it spits clean oil after a run. A wet oily chain files much quicker and stops the file teeth getting hot. Also dissolves gum on the chain.
I've gone from full chisel to semi chisel recently. I am not expert but there are lots of things I like about a semi-chisel chain. First off they just generally stay sharper longer and two they'll survive dirt better than full chisel. In the last two years my cutting has primarily been storm clean up so those features are important to me. Prior to that I thought that semi-chisel was for chumps so I am as surprised as anybody that I now use the semi-chisel so much. Thanks for all of your wonderful videos.
Thanks to this man for giving me the confidence to sharpen my own chain. I was not very good just a couple years ago, now I am hand filing chains and they are, in my opinion, quicker than factory chain. God bless sir.
Man, you have talent! You really hit the target on this one. If I tried to multitask like you I'd have quite a mess to clean up! Really, thanks for schooling us again. Great, useful and understandable information! Thank you
Filing is so subtil, I’m not ashamed to tell it took 2 years to finally be able to get a constant result. I learned more watching your videos than from anybody else
Remembered what you said about having a good point on the saw tooth, started filling again and remembering what you said and now the saw cuts great, nice to see that someone appreciates what the older saws ran like, just haven't had the time to work on my old Pioneer model RA, that was a real man's saw to operate, endless power too, thanks for your help, your truly Ed Clampit of Agawam Massachusetts..
I watched the video, then fired up my Chainsaw and it cuts at the same speed as it did when I put it away yesterday! My guess is that I have to actually apply the knowledge learned in this video. Love the videos, and I just try to absorb some of the knowledge put out in these videos. Thanks for all your videos, and I love your outlook on life!
You're outlook on life is a PERFECT MATCH to your outlook on saws & chains brother! Life never gets old if you love to learn and share that learning. Best to ya mate!
I don't know, after having a few beers and finding this channel I found myself laughing. As a woodsman the past 50 years I knew you said many things that struck home with me. You're very intense, but seem somewhat genuine. I worked for the Clearwater Potlatch Timber Protective Association(CPTPA) and found myself carrying a heavy old Mcculloch chainsaw in the woods for a long time. Cut through several sets of chaps because by the end of the day I was too tired to handle the saw. My first year in the woods a neighbor friend got tired and was using one hand on the saw and hit a knot, chain cut him across the throat. I managed to continue working. Through time I learned more about proper maintenance of a saw and chain sharpening is so subjective. I'll watch a few more of your videos since you make me laugh. I agree with what you say about the chain. easier and more effective is better and at my age my back can only take so much. Thanks partner.
Good advice Billy... the ski jump profile or tooth without enough hook kind of scrapes the wood... hard on the saw and you too... a tooth with too much hook is fragile and the sharpened edge wears too quick or gets bent.... but the tooth with just the right amount of hook cuts nice... easy on the saw and lasts longer too (of course rakers have to be set correctly) Always admired your encouragement and optimism... Cheers!👍 (coming up on 375 K... way to go!)
Agreed, threw me off for sure. I was hoping it was gonna be a - hey get your mind out of the gutter joke...I'm just washing my hands but nope! Just a grown man, buck naked, filming himself peeing while he is talking and walking around his house. A bit too much for me. But thanks anyhow.
I'm just a humble DIY guy, I don't chop logs but for those few times than a little tree branch or stump shows up, I bought a small cordless chainsaw. The stock chain dulled quickly, I threw two more Oregon chains at it and to be honest, for the number of times that I will need this tool I could easily afford a new chain per job and be happy. However, I do like tools, doesn't matter what it does but I like them to be in good working order and so knowing how to recognise and correct sits well with me. I got something out of the video - thanks.
My dad gave me his old chainsaw that my little brother used occasionally. They encouraged me to buy a mechanical sharpener but I have other types of tools with blades and I prefer hand sharpening. I have got this old chainsaw running and thanks to your knowledge sharing, it cuts like a champion. Cheers!
Awesome to see the Green Vista Lites. Sounds great. Gotta love the great community that is growing here. Thank you Buckin. Keep on giving the info and I will continue to file it in my memory bank. Love ya brother. 🌲❤️🌲👊🪓
There's alot of truth in using semi chisel chain in really hard woods. I really like it for our northeastern hard maples and beech. Easier to bore with too.
Came for the chain info, and was very gracious to have learned, but am even more happy to have heard such great tone and groove on a vista. All the best from soggy Wales UK.
So very glad I watched your videos, i now have a little more knowledge on sharpening my chains and not working myself to death , Thanks for the educating
Great video thanks a bunch. Personal experience re round chain. Dad had me on a saw by about 13-14. We would go and cut firewood. All hardwood, maple beech mostly. He had us cut the limbs down to 1 inch diameter. So when I am young he is bucking the trunk and I am going nuts on the limbs. Lots of firewood in the limbs. Always cut with round chain. I end up getting a bar and chain off a neighbor (same saw) and i am bucking the branches and getting hit by the smaller pieces chain is flinging them, ouch what's going On? Square chain! Absolutely. Grabby on the small diameter stuff. So round it is for this guy for that reason and the durability reason as well. Thanks for the sharpening tips. I still buck down to an inch 45 years later.
Yep, I run semi chisel on my liming saw and full chisel for ringing because I too find the semi to be smoother on the smaller stuff and if I'm going to hit anything dirty it'll be with that saw, I ring logs in the air and run noticeably faster with full chisel, but I'm also cutting primarily pine, cypress, and lucitanica which I imagine is a much different story to hardwood. Like Billy says, just go experience it and you'll find what's best for you.
I have always just went and bought a new chain every time mine gets dull. But I just got me a set to start sharpening them. Your videos are very informative so I'm gonna try it myself. Thank you for sharing your knowledge. Has helped me a bunch in more ways than you know.
Holy smokes buddy, hope you saved those old chains. You will be set for life if you learn to sharpen. If you struggle with angles try a sharpening jig. Stay away from expensive bench grinders. Less life out of your chains and you can screw up a chain super fast.
Thank you Billy Ray. Very clearly explained and I have learned something new from you. Even after many years of using a chainsaw, I did not top to think about the chain tooth profile and how it cuts (or doesn't). I like you honest and humble approach. I agree that experience can be very good teacher, if we allow ourselves to be open to new ideas.
I use half chisel only where i live in austria we have lots of moss and stones inclusions in our bark buckin with fullchisel u plunge once and the you sit 10 to 15 min resharpening so im bound to the round but it cut plenty fast for firewood thanks for sharing your wisdom 👍
I just noticed how you mounted that woodworking vise, bolted to the top of your bench. I like how that helps move your work up higher, above the level of the bench. I may re-evaluate my vise... I turned 70 yesterday and I'm still learning. Life is good.
I'm right there with you on that square ground chain, watching and listening you talk about this stuff makes me all giddy. like, someone else gets it! love your videos man
These videos are kinda relaxing, just enjoying your enthusiastic lessons about all things chainsaw 👍 But i had no idea that you are a fellow drummer too! Awesome! What a lovely Ludwig kit you've got. You have a good touch with the drums, nice and light 👍 Im sending you greetings from Finland. Another drummer here 🤝
Thanks for the clarification. I knew I had something wrong from the last video I saw from you. I consider myself a good woodsman and pretty good saw man for not being a pro. Round file all my saws for cutting mesquite and live oak. Thanks.
Me too, i have followed your opinion on chain sharpening, profile and mostly understand what works. This is like collage on power saws. Haven't graduated yet.
Agree with your comment on Oz woodcutting. Our firewood timber is often very hard and full of silica - full chisel chains are great on green trees and pines, but semi-chisel definitely gives the best service for most of us. It's relatively rare to get perfectly clean wood in many of the places I can access for firewood, and the timber I cut is tough on any cutting edge at the best of times let alone after laying around for a few years...
Hi Billy. I pretty much run all semi chisel here for cutting dry elm that's really hard and general firewood. I put more hook in it than what you like but it stays sharp longer and cuts just as fast as full chisel. I sometimes get a little to much hook but it has no problems self feeding. Thanks
In my limited experience, semi chisel can handle a touch more angle on the cutters than full chisel. Same geometry on my full chisel chains and they dull somewhat quickly.. but the semis keep on chooching. Circles are strong :-)
@@two-strokesmoke7289 No power equipment dealer nearby? My ace hardwares all spin loops and the john deere dealer (also stihl/echo) will spin loops of whatever you want. Tractor supply and big box have some semi chisel too but those stores almost always don't have what you need size wise, and its Tri-link rebranded so its kinda meh
@@mattfleming86 I haven't "beat the bushes" real hard but every time I look (usually winter) I never can find any......Black Hills and Northern plains area.
Thanks for your explanation of types of chains and how to get different profiles. With the four chainsaws I have I will have fun sharpening them and try the different profiles.
Great video and thanks. I learned a lot! Those Oregon chains are cheap and great for harvesters, but I think the steel is too soft for chainsaws. I have to sharpen them 3 times as often as my Stihl chains. Every minute with the file is time wasted.
Your A Legend BBR, I want to say thanks for all your Excellent content and info. You Really have Helped me understand a lot about felling, bucking and most of all sharpening the chain. Many thanks Man. Peace and love.
My saws have gone from just being able to cut a piece of wood to flying through a piece of wood 🪵. I have learned so much from these wood cutting videos. I’ve even made some improvements to my saws to make them perform better. I like it
Sometimes life moves so fast that we never lock into the simple basics, to take time and show the hook in the sawtooth gives a lifetime of wonderful fulfilling and frustration free woodcutting, as always, thanks for the chips and not powder if you catch my drift!
I have to say bucken from my heart brother thank you for sharing your ideas on wood it's helped me out tremendously I am more efficient I just wanted to tell you that peace be kind wish I could meet ya sometime
You know I’ve got a saw mill not a chain saw mill a big mill and I’ve learned a lot from your show and here in Florida the parts places you buy your chains from are rip offs because they keep telling me my chain is bad and needs replaced,I’m glad I saved them thanks
Hand sharpening the chain is better than a machine sharpener I've noticed the hand files get it sharpened better and stays sharpened longer. Mines still sharp after using it but im gonna go back over it once with the hand file because i used the saw last week The grinder Sharpener gets the gullet out good though but doesn't get it sharpened just right for me i always take out that gullet But once like what you showed gets down so small i ain't gonna cut with a worn chain like that unless its on my friends saw because once the tooth is that small it can break off and bend. I've had more problems with the teeth that fit into the bar so had to grind the damaged teeth down i don't know how they get damaged on that spot could be the chain came loose a little while cutting i don't really know but its fixable last week i messed up a new chain and it has that problem so i have to either file it or grind each tooth that fits in the bar. I have lots of 20 inch chains they'll give me a slightly sore back after awhile then when i bend back up I'll say oh then just laugh a little an keep cutting.
hey Buckin thanks for sharing your filing methods always room for learning .At anything . think it is time to put on a new chain almost . on the 572 new chain ..we got some cutting, these things sing ...cheers ..burned a couple of tanks of gas helping out a lady today ...trying ...
Bardzo dobrze Pan tlumaczy ostrzenie lancucha na kazdy mozliwy sposob. Brawo🤝. U nas w Polsce tez próbujemy square grind. I jest szybszy, gladko tnie lancuch. A co do koncowego komentarza. Ci wszyscy madrzy zaluzcie konto na TH-cam i pokazcie co potraficie. Ja bardzo szanuje takich ludzi jak Pan Billy Ray💪 Szczery, uczynny, zyciowy. Normalny i powazy facet. Pozdrawiam serdecznie. Niech moc square grind bedzie z nami
Great explanation there buckin. I had a machine but gone back to hand filing as a grind stone looses it shape after a while. Just feel the file never lies. Be kind my friend.
I wish you'd do a video addressing the file size to chain sizes, mini chain etc. Also raker gauge to the chain size. The information is online yet i get lost the numbers
@@ViSongs482 Would be very helpful, i know about getting the gullet etc. But Buckin says use bigger file size in previous videos yet i get a nasty hook.
I like Oregon chains also. I tried Stihl chains, but they actually were too hard, and they were more inconsistent to get a great edge on with my Simington grinder. Oregon chains always sharpened really well. Stihl was so hard that it was more difficult to get a perfect edge, and the chain sometimes burned when grinding. When you did get a good grind on a Stihl chain, it lasted really well. But often, the grind was just mediocre. Oregon chains came out the same excellent sharpness every time, and if kept out of the dirt, they kept an edge quite well. I had many days that I got through a 6 hour day of falling timber on one chain. 2 was more the norm. Now, I could be behind the times, as I was cutting 30 years ago. But for me, Oregon full comp was the bomb when ground on a Siminton.
My square ground chisel chains get sharpened with a normal bastard file, on the bar. The tooth is sharpened from the underside and the file makes a "V" in the tooth. Great for our hard oak and it lasts. Throws large chips. Dan on Laura's page. 38 years sober.
Been learning to hand file over the last twenty years with varying success and failure. My chains are not the prettiest you've seen, but they cut well for me. People either obsess or seem to not really bother. Find some ground in between there with your chains. I don't cry when I dip my tip because I didn't spend an hour perfecting the chain. I simply grab a file and swipe the chain a few times.
This exactly was happening to me. Thank you was wondering why even though sharpened wouldn't cut! Rakers done, never thought gullet mattered that much!
I’m learning a lot from you; thanks. I had just switched from having chains sharpened at the hardware store to hand filing with a stihl 2 in 1. I think I do as well as the hardware store for cutting good, but the hand filing is causing me problems with my MS. I’m shopping for a power sharpener and I don’t mind spending a couple hundred if it’s a nice tool. I hit rocks and cut rotten old wood all the time, so I need the toughest setup, not the sharpest setup. What power sharpener would you recommend? It really needs to do .325 and 1/4” chain as I have 2 small saws and one ms261cm (medium size?). I don’t like cheap tools, so I’m not looking for the minimum quality stuff. Thanks again!
Billy, does a drive links with holes for oil retention work better than striation lines in the drive links ?? What about the square chain shown 17:09 that has two different file marks without the file cuts meeting at the square corner ?? Thanks Friends will rule the WORLD !!!
Sharpened chains a very long time. I don't know it all by a long shot. I use a wheel b/c more often than not the cutters are of unequal length. I've always told people to bring 'em in after 3 filings to be trued up & usually the drags have never be touched.
just picked up a stihl 029 farmboss.for 150$ figured id go back to class and boy this thing is a monster now🌲🌲got it cheap cause it wasnt running right fuel line was cracked🤷♂️
They say the tooth will set you free, and I find that everything you say is the tooth, and you have most certainly set me free. I always had trouble sharpening, but I would get it to cut but never to real satisfaction. After listening to you, I looked at my saw, and all I did was I took the gullet out. Holy crap! Wow. It cut like it was hungry. Now, I have a couple things to say to pay you back. I noticed that when you hand sharpen, you bang the hell out of the file when you bang it on metal. Don't you know that a file is rough because those are tiny teeth, and you are damaging them. An old file is good for taking out the gullet though. Another thing, I bought a Timberline sharpener with a crank handle, $127. First of all, it is impossible to remove too much metal, and it only removes a tiny amount which makes the chain last a mighty long time, and it makes the teeth razor sharp, plus it keeps the angle dead on. Once it is sharp, even if you turned the handle a thousand more times no more metal gets removed. just amazing. The file is hardened tungsten or something high grade as that. One warning, never never ever turn the handle backwards as it will brake the teeth off. Once it is sharp it stays sharp a long time because it is truly cutting the wood so I guess this holds the heat down, but man it lasts a long time. As you file you do not need to brush the filings off, just go to the next tooth, and its almost like magic. So easy to set up on the bar and impossible to make a mistake. Anyone can do this and I mean anyone. When you first start, if you feel a little binding, it is natural to try to turn it backwards, but never do that, instead, back off the adjusting knob. It is not motorized because you would never feel the binding. One last thing, I use a square bar placed over two teeth and a feeler gauge using the 024 feeler to set the raker. What a combination!!! Thank you!
Love the videos buckin. General question to everyone, what do y’all do with your used chains? I wanna do something creative with them rather than just bin them all. Thanks :)
BBRS. Time to use up those used chains and forge up some Damascus axe heads and knife blades. You have all the machines and friends with know how. 💪🇺🇸🇨🇦
Been doin firewood and tree work For 40 years .4 years ago after watching Buckin sharpen a chain it got even better lol ! Remember our 🪓 of kindness Army😎👍👍👊
In watching all your videos I have gone from descent at sharpening chain to really good. That said I still learn so much every time I watch your videos. I appreciate the time and effort you put into all these videos, keep it up it makes professional amateurs like myself get better every day.
this dude is clearly crazy but I learn a lot from him too
I'm wanting a full chisel chain and to cut the sleeves off my buckin outfit.
@@burtreynolds3143 Crazy or just fing awesome? He talks like I think, Friends.
A man should never quit learning. I am glad you are still learning and willing to show us what you know. Thank you.
Billy, your a highly skilled woodsman that’s obvious but your also an educator and a philosopher. I appreciate the way you ended this video, challenging others to put their ideas and experience out. When I worked I often challenged those I worked with to voice their ideas and to challenge mine. Good ideas and practices will stand up to being challenged bad ideas won’t .
Aussie wood cutter here. Over about 24 years I have tried all the different chains to figure what cuts best, lasts longest etc in Aussie hardwoods which are frankly brutal on chain.
The following I found out through trial and error.
Aussie hardwood is a complex mixture of resins, silica, minerals and very hard fibres.
Regular bar oil is okay but not ideal. One day when I had run out I used 10 40 diesel motor oil instead on Ironbark which is an absolute bastard to cut dry.
The chain ran cooler and stayed sharp way longer. It cut faster too.
Because it's less sticky it sprays oil on to the teeth as they cut. It also stops the chain gumming up with resin.
I use full chisel chain now. It cuts a lot faster than round ground and it's quicker to resharpen. I hand file. Every third sharpening I use the new Stihl file guide to get the rakers down. I like it. It works for me. The other thing I always do is run the chain till it spits clean oil after a run. A wet oily chain files much quicker and stops the file teeth getting hot. Also dissolves gum on the chain.
I've gone from full chisel to semi chisel recently. I am not expert but there are lots of things I like about a semi-chisel chain. First off they just generally stay sharper longer and two they'll survive dirt better than full chisel. In the last two years my cutting has primarily been storm clean up so those features are important to me. Prior to that I thought that semi-chisel was for chumps so I am as surprised as anybody that I now use the semi-chisel so much.
Thanks for all of your wonderful videos.
semi-chisel allso good for green wood
Thanks to this man for giving me the confidence to sharpen my own chain. I was not very good just a couple years ago, now I am hand filing chains and they are, in my opinion, quicker than factory chain.
God bless sir.
Man, you have talent! You really hit the target on this one. If I tried to multitask like you I'd have quite a mess to clean up! Really, thanks for schooling us again. Great, useful and understandable information! Thank you
Thanks again!
Filing is so subtil, I’m not ashamed to tell it took 2 years to finally be able to get a constant result. I learned more watching your videos than from anybody else
Great content! Great Teacher! Great Personality! Great attitude! Great Smile! I really enjoy your vids. I have learned so much! Keep up the good work!
Remembered what you said about having a good point on the saw tooth, started filling again and remembering what you said and now the saw cuts great, nice to see that someone appreciates what the older saws ran like, just haven't had the time to work on my old Pioneer model RA, that was a real man's saw to operate, endless power too, thanks for your help, your truly Ed Clampit of Agawam Massachusetts..
I watched the video, then fired up my Chainsaw and it cuts at the same speed as it did when I put it away yesterday! My guess is that I have to actually apply the knowledge learned in this video. Love the videos, and I just try to absorb some of the knowledge put out in these videos. Thanks for all your videos, and I love your outlook on life!
You're outlook on life is a PERFECT MATCH to your outlook on saws & chains brother! Life never gets old if you love to learn and share that learning. Best to ya mate!
I don't know, after having a few beers and finding this channel I found myself laughing. As a woodsman the past 50 years I knew you said many things that struck home with me. You're very intense, but seem somewhat genuine. I worked for the Clearwater Potlatch Timber Protective Association(CPTPA) and found myself carrying a heavy old Mcculloch chainsaw in the woods for a long time. Cut through several sets of chaps because by the end of the day I was too tired to handle the saw. My first year in the woods a neighbor friend got tired and was using one hand on the saw and hit a knot, chain cut him across the throat. I managed to continue working. Through time I learned more about proper maintenance of a saw and chain sharpening is so subjective. I'll watch a few more of your videos since you make me laugh. I agree with what you say about the chain. easier and more effective is better and at my age my back can only take so much. Thanks partner.
Good advice Billy... the ski jump profile or tooth without enough hook kind of scrapes the wood... hard on the saw and you too... a tooth with too much hook is fragile and the sharpened edge wears too quick or gets bent.... but the tooth with just the right amount of hook cuts nice... easy on the saw and lasts longer too (of course rakers have to be set correctly)
Always admired your encouragement and optimism... Cheers!👍 (coming up on 375 K... way to go!)
Hey, I'm a fan of most your videos, but shooting a video of you pissing was completely unnecessary. 👎
Agreed, threw me off for sure.
I was hoping it was gonna be a - hey get your mind out of the gutter joke...I'm just washing my hands
but nope!
Just a grown man, buck naked, filming himself peeing while he is talking and walking around his house.
A bit too much for me.
But thanks anyhow.
I'm just a humble DIY guy, I don't chop logs but for those few times than a little tree branch or stump shows up, I bought a small cordless chainsaw. The stock chain dulled quickly, I threw two more Oregon chains at it and to be honest, for the number of times that I will need this tool I could easily afford a new chain per job and be happy. However, I do like tools, doesn't matter what it does but I like them to be in good working order and so knowing how to recognise and correct sits well with me.
I got something out of the video - thanks.
My dad gave me his old chainsaw that my little brother used occasionally. They encouraged me to buy a mechanical sharpener but I have other types of tools with blades and I prefer hand sharpening. I have got this old chainsaw running and thanks to your knowledge sharing, it cuts like a champion. Cheers!
Awesome to see the Green Vista Lites. Sounds great. Gotta love the great community that is growing here. Thank you Buckin. Keep on giving the info and I will continue to file it in my memory bank. Love ya brother. 🌲❤️🌲👊🪓
Thanks for the refresher on chain sharpening! Always learning brother.
There's alot of truth in using semi chisel chain in really hard woods. I really like it for our northeastern hard maples and beech. Easier to bore with too.
Much smoother in the bore brother
Yep, semi every time down here in Victoria, Australia. I don't like sharpening THAT much!
Felling I use flat top rakers at .030 bucking round rakers .030. Keep chain angles correct. Works for me. Agree flat top dull quicker.
Came for the chain info, and was very gracious to have learned, but am even more happy to have heard such great tone and groove on a vista. All the best from soggy Wales UK.
So very glad I watched your videos, i now have a little more knowledge on sharpening my chains and not working myself to death , Thanks for the educating
Great video thanks a bunch. Personal experience re round chain. Dad had me on a saw by about 13-14. We would go and cut firewood. All hardwood, maple beech mostly. He had us cut the limbs down to 1 inch diameter. So when I am young he is bucking the trunk and I am going nuts on the limbs. Lots of firewood in the limbs. Always cut with round chain. I end up getting a bar and chain off a neighbor (same saw) and i am bucking the branches and getting hit by the smaller pieces chain is flinging them, ouch what's going On? Square chain! Absolutely. Grabby on the small diameter stuff. So round it is for this guy for that reason and the durability reason as well. Thanks for the sharpening tips. I still buck down to an inch 45 years later.
Yep, I run semi chisel on my liming saw and full chisel for ringing because I too find the semi to be smoother on the smaller stuff and if I'm going to hit anything dirty it'll be with that saw, I ring logs in the air and run noticeably faster with full chisel, but I'm also cutting primarily pine, cypress, and lucitanica which I imagine is a much different story to hardwood.
Like Billy says, just go experience it and you'll find what's best for you.
I have always just went and bought a new chain every time mine gets dull. But I just got me a set to start sharpening them. Your videos are very informative so I'm gonna try it myself. Thank you for sharing your knowledge. Has helped me a bunch in more ways than you know.
Holy smokes buddy, hope you saved those old chains. You will be set for life if you learn to sharpen. If you struggle with angles try a sharpening jig. Stay away from expensive bench grinders. Less life out of your chains and you can screw up a chain super fast.
@@miketrisket788 well I was young and dumb and throwed them away lol. But time to learn now.
Came for the sharpening, stayed for the drumming.
Super helpful. Don't worry about naysayers. Gave me a totally new understanding on sharpening my saw
Thank you Billy Ray. Very clearly explained and I have learned something new from you. Even after many years of using a chainsaw, I did not top to think about the chain tooth profile and how it cuts (or doesn't). I like you honest and humble approach. I agree that experience can be very good teacher, if we allow ourselves to be open to new ideas.
Fantastic. You've got me so interested like I'm just learning chain science for the first time. Better than Netflix, bravo.
I use half chisel only where i live in austria we have lots of moss and stones inclusions in our bark buckin with fullchisel u plunge once and the you sit 10 to 15 min resharpening so im bound to the round but it cut plenty fast for firewood thanks for sharing your wisdom 👍
I just noticed how you mounted that woodworking vise, bolted to the top of your bench. I like how that helps move your work up higher, above the level of the bench. I may re-evaluate my vise... I turned 70 yesterday and I'm still learning. Life is good.
Cool, thanks
Hard, hard wood! I was expecting it to just be you washing hands at the sink... I was rolling once I realized it wasn't.
I'm right there with you on that square ground chain, watching and listening you talk about this stuff makes me all giddy. like, someone else gets it! love your videos man
These videos are kinda relaxing, just enjoying your enthusiastic lessons about all things chainsaw 👍
But i had no idea that you are a fellow drummer too! Awesome! What a lovely Ludwig kit you've got. You have a good touch with the drums, nice and light 👍
Im sending you greetings from Finland. Another drummer here 🤝
Thanks for the clarification. I knew I had something wrong from the last video I saw from you. I consider myself a good woodsman and pretty good saw man for not being a pro. Round file all my saws for cutting mesquite and live oak. Thanks.
Me too, i have followed your opinion on chain sharpening, profile and mostly understand what works. This is like collage on power saws. Haven't graduated yet.
Agree with your comment on Oz woodcutting. Our firewood timber is often very hard and full of silica - full chisel chains are great on green trees and pines, but semi-chisel definitely gives the best service for most of us. It's relatively rare to get perfectly clean wood in many of the places I can access for firewood, and the timber I cut is tough on any cutting edge at the best of times let alone after laying around for a few years...
I really like your approach and attitude. Thanks for just speaking honestly.
Hi Billy. I pretty much run all semi chisel here for cutting dry elm that's really hard and general firewood. I put more hook in it than what you like but it stays sharp longer and cuts just as fast as full chisel. I sometimes get a little to much hook but it has no problems self feeding. Thanks
In my limited experience, semi chisel can handle a touch more angle on the cutters than full chisel. Same geometry on my full chisel chains and they dull somewhat quickly.. but the semis keep on chooching. Circles are strong :-)
@@mattfleming86 I cannot find semi chisels locally very easy anymore........
@@two-strokesmoke7289 No power equipment dealer nearby? My ace hardwares all spin loops and the john deere dealer (also stihl/echo) will spin loops of whatever you want.
Tractor supply and big box have some semi chisel too but those stores almost always don't have what you need size wise, and its Tri-link rebranded so its kinda meh
@@mattfleming86 I haven't "beat the bushes" real hard but every time I look (usually winter) I never can find any......Black Hills and Northern plains area.
That drum set is awesome! Super cool!
I'm so happy I started watching Ray's videos again.
Brother you are a good man. I appreciate how you work hard and treat people with respect and inspire them to believe in themselves.
You know you're a geek of sorts when you watch close-ups of chainsaw chains on a Sunday. (JF)
Thanks for your explanation of types of chains and how to get different profiles. With the four chainsaws I have I will have fun sharpening them and try the different profiles.
Great video and thanks. I learned a lot!
Those Oregon chains are cheap and great for harvesters, but I think the steel is too soft for chainsaws. I have to sharpen them 3 times as often as my Stihl chains. Every minute with the file is time wasted.
Your A Legend BBR, I want to say thanks for all your Excellent content and info. You Really have Helped me understand a lot about felling, bucking and most of all sharpening the chain. Many thanks Man. Peace and love.
Trippin' on chain with Buckin' Billy Ray!
Thank you!!!
Nice trap set too!!!
My saws have gone from just being able to cut a piece of wood to flying through a piece of wood 🪵. I have learned so much from these wood cutting videos. I’ve even made some improvements to my saws to make them perform better. I like it
Sometimes life moves so fast that we never lock into the simple basics, to take time and show the hook in the sawtooth gives a lifetime of wonderful fulfilling and frustration free woodcutting, as always, thanks for the chips and not powder if you catch my drift!
Well done Billy.....show your friends how it's done the right way....From Sydney Australia
Hey, It's Buckin" Phil Collins!!! Nice video, I learned from it!
I have to say bucken from my heart brother thank you for sharing your ideas on wood it's helped me out tremendously I am more efficient I just wanted to tell you that peace be kind wish I could meet ya sometime
You know I’ve got a saw mill not a chain saw mill a big mill and I’ve learned a lot from your show and here in Florida the parts places you buy your chains from are rip offs because they keep telling me my chain is bad and needs replaced,I’m glad I saved them thanks
a have learn so mutch by watching yours videos. now a get my chain charp.
Hand sharpening the chain is better than a machine sharpener I've noticed the hand files get it sharpened better and stays sharpened longer.
Mines still sharp after using it but im gonna go back over it once with the hand file because i used the saw last week
The grinder Sharpener gets the gullet out good though but doesn't get it sharpened just right for me i always take out that gullet
But once like what you showed gets down so small i ain't gonna cut with a worn chain like that unless its on my friends saw because once the tooth is that small it can break off and bend.
I've had more problems with the teeth that fit into the bar so had to grind the damaged teeth down i don't know how they get damaged on that spot could be the chain came loose a little while cutting i don't really know but its fixable last week i messed up a new chain and it has that problem so i have to either file it or grind each tooth that fits in the bar. I have lots of 20 inch chains they'll give me a slightly sore back after awhile then when i bend back up I'll say oh then just laugh a little an keep cutting.
Thanks for sharing your knowledge, that snare sounds awesome too!
i dont use chainsaws but you help me learn so much thank you i love your videos and ur very kind keep it up bud
hey Buckin thanks for sharing your filing methods always room for learning .At anything . think it is time to put on a new chain almost . on the 572 new chain ..we got some cutting, these things sing ...cheers ..burned a couple of tanks of gas helping out a lady today ...trying ...
Bardzo dobrze Pan tlumaczy ostrzenie lancucha na kazdy mozliwy sposob. Brawo🤝. U nas w Polsce tez próbujemy square grind. I jest szybszy, gladko tnie lancuch. A co do koncowego komentarza. Ci wszyscy madrzy zaluzcie konto na TH-cam i pokazcie co potraficie. Ja bardzo szanuje takich ludzi jak Pan Billy Ray💪
Szczery, uczynny, zyciowy. Normalny i powazy facet. Pozdrawiam serdecznie. Niech moc square grind bedzie z nami
Im learnin a thing or two here and there. Did you really take piss while teaching? Lmao. Keep it the info good sir. Lol
This was an awesome video! Thanks BBR! Don’t think anyone will take your place BTW. There is only 1 Buckin Billy Ray!
Love your philosophy on life. You are an inspiration, great job
Hey buckin that snare sounds great👍
Great explanation there buckin. I had a machine but gone back to hand filing as a grind stone looses it shape after a while. Just feel the file never lies. Be kind my friend.
Love your drum work !
I wish you'd do a video addressing the file size to chain sizes, mini chain etc. Also raker gauge to the chain size. The information is online yet i get lost the numbers
Id like this as well.
@@ViSongs482 Would be very helpful, i know about getting the gullet etc. But Buckin says use bigger file size in previous videos yet i get a nasty hook.
Yeah, I think that’s my problem. I get the C but still don’t throw big chips
Thank you for the chain saw education....I like to learn things!!!! Have a great day!!!
Have your own experience hehe well said I learn something everytime I visit this channel and Im grateful...luv the Ludwig 🥰
Thanks you again buckin
We still learn each day
From you're video
It make me happy to see ya
Talking about power saws. 😉
Ome as to have the broadest range of info to grasp what you are offering BBR. Good show my brother.
I like Oregon chains also. I tried Stihl chains, but they actually were too hard, and they were more inconsistent to get a great edge on with my Simington grinder. Oregon chains always sharpened really well. Stihl was so hard that it was more difficult to get a perfect edge, and the chain sometimes burned when grinding. When you did get a good grind on a Stihl chain, it lasted really well. But often, the grind was just mediocre. Oregon chains came out the same excellent sharpness every time, and if kept out of the dirt, they kept an edge quite well. I had many days that I got through a 6 hour day of falling timber on one chain. 2 was more the norm. Now, I could be behind the times, as I was cutting 30 years ago. But for me, Oregon full comp was the bomb when ground on a Siminton.
Thank you for sharing good education, love your channel!!!
I absolutely love you buddy!! 🪓👍
digin it brother man, your style is a classy one. Cheers
My square ground chisel chains get sharpened with a normal bastard file, on the bar. The tooth is sharpened from the underside and the file makes a "V" in the tooth. Great for our hard oak and it lasts. Throws large chips. Dan on Laura's page. 38 years sober.
Buckin you make this world a better place!! Love love love ❤✌🏽
Having a white background when showing the chain would be much easier for us to see, good videos and good drum playing. More about the rake,
As a bass player I'm sure it would be fun jamming with you. Keep groovin' !
Been learning to hand file over the last twenty years with varying success and failure. My chains are not the prettiest you've seen, but they cut well for me. People either obsess or seem to not really bother. Find some ground in between there with your chains. I don't cry when I dip my tip because I didn't spend an hour perfecting the chain. I simply grab a file and swipe the chain a few times.
This exactly was happening to me. Thank you was wondering why even though sharpened wouldn't cut! Rakers done, never thought gullet mattered that much!
Good job I agree with your method of sharping a chain.
Love the video buckin you make so much sense and the more complex parts so easy to understand love ya buddy stay well
I’m learning a lot from you; thanks. I had just switched from having chains sharpened at the hardware store to hand filing with a stihl 2 in 1. I think I do as well as the hardware store for cutting good, but the hand filing is causing me problems with my MS.
I’m shopping for a power sharpener and I don’t mind spending a couple hundred if it’s a nice tool. I hit rocks and cut rotten old wood all the time, so I need the toughest setup, not the sharpest setup.
What power sharpener would you recommend? It really needs to do .325 and 1/4” chain as I have 2 small saws and one ms261cm (medium size?). I don’t like cheap tools, so I’m not looking for the minimum quality stuff.
Thanks again!
Billy, does a drive links with holes for oil retention work better than striation lines in the drive links ?? What about the square chain shown 17:09 that has two different file marks without the file cuts meeting at the square corner ?? Thanks
Friends will rule the WORLD !!!
Sharpened chains a very long time. I don't know it all by a long shot. I use a wheel b/c more often than not the cutters are of unequal length. I've always told people to bring 'em in after 3 filings to be trued up & usually the drags have never be touched.
This video has helped me tremendously thanks buckin..,
I can't leave without saying ThankYou.
I’m the 150th like on this vid. whooohoo stay blessed folks
My saw is starting to get real sharp. My best tip is, pay close attention to the chain when sharpening, and go check how it cuts
just picked up a stihl 029 farmboss.for 150$ figured id go back to class and boy this thing is a monster now🌲🌲got it cheap cause it wasnt running right fuel line was cracked🤷♂️
Welcome all awesome video buckin well said on have your own experience what works best for you love it
Buckin, great class. Work is more enjoyable when your axe or saw cuts.
They say the tooth will set you free, and I find that everything you say is the tooth, and you have most certainly set me free. I always had trouble sharpening, but I would get it to cut but never to real satisfaction. After listening to you, I looked at my saw, and all I did was I took the gullet out. Holy crap! Wow. It cut like it was hungry. Now, I have a couple things to say to pay you back. I noticed that when you hand sharpen, you bang the hell out of the file when you bang it on metal. Don't you know that a file is rough because those are tiny teeth, and you are damaging them. An old file is good for taking out the gullet though. Another thing, I bought a Timberline sharpener with a crank handle, $127. First of all, it is impossible to remove too much metal, and it only removes a tiny amount which makes the chain last a mighty long time, and it makes the teeth razor sharp, plus it keeps the angle dead on. Once it is sharp, even if you turned the handle a thousand more times no more metal gets removed. just amazing. The file is hardened tungsten or something high grade as that. One warning, never never ever turn the handle backwards as it will brake the teeth off. Once it is sharp it stays sharp a long time because it is truly cutting the wood so I guess this holds the heat down, but man it lasts a long time. As you file you do not need to brush the filings off, just go to the next tooth, and its almost like magic. So easy to set up on the bar and impossible to make a mistake. Anyone can do this and I mean anyone. When you first start, if you feel a little binding, it is natural to try to turn it backwards, but never do that, instead, back off the adjusting knob. It is not motorized because you would never feel the binding. One last thing, I use a square bar placed over two teeth and a feeler gauge using the 024 feeler to set the raker. What a combination!!! Thank you!
Don’t worry about what all the yahoos say. The real ones don’t have to say anything. Appreciate your videos
you look and sound freakin scary beating those bongos in your basement !
Love the videos buckin. General question to everyone, what do y’all do with your used chains? I wanna do something creative with them rather than just bin them all. Thanks :)
Thank you buckin great to see you on drums love the share of your knowledge
God love you, my friend! Your videos and advice are salve for the soul.....
Love you all..❤❤❤
Lieutenant Bradley
BBRS. Time to use up those used chains and forge up some Damascus axe heads and knife blades. You have all the machines and friends with know how. 💪🇺🇸🇨🇦
I learned a lot from this one. Thanks BBR