"taking away freedom is a" Just fascinating, not only the amazing skill but the application for one approach to tyranny. So much to be learned and so little time :) Thank you for sharing.
Every lesson has a basic key concept that many just don't know or accept. Some criticise for lack of lineage yet many who claim they are .....whatever lineage are just stuck and repeating what they learned and arguing with others who claim they are the same lineage etc etc. The DT group just has tips, support and info. S real community to improve our practice. The course has 5 YEARS of weekly detailed lessons. Put them together and it is the best course available.
I made 2/3 of that online-course till the „snake“. The concept ( Didactic) is well thought out. For me the best way to learn. I am 60y, Physician, and had a lot of advanced trainings and courses. Online I can repeat as much as I want , because I forget a lot. Not cheap. 50$
Thanks, now I understand why people cannot lock my hands even if they attack suddenly without warning. My auto-response is ingrained into my system by daily Huang Tai Chi Chuan training. Now that you mentioned shoulder. Yep my should is pretty song too😂.
Most people hear/read 'Push/Pushing Hands' and immediately have an attitude of pushing someone away. So they might miss the receiving part and to explore senses in both directions. As you say 'Push/Pushing ' is more the quality here...Not to hit and block and rather push something through your arms. If the task of the hand form is to banish the 'stupid force' from your body, then for me the task at the Tuishou would be to experience who has more 'stupid force' left or who is eagerly apply it and to treat that. So as you say, the end result is more 'song/sung' and the movement emerges from it.
Let’s hope one day one of your students or you comes to Western Greece and then experience first hand this lovely tai chi system with the things that for generations weren’t allowed to g outside to the foreigners.
Adam never gives up explaining. The students listen and try to understand it with their superficial minds. I think one should go first internal…to feel song in meditation . Then you understand even with your brain what he is talking about. Adam has been in silence for long time. But YOU see in this moment the results looking EASY . Sorry for my english. I m german.
Tai chi is interesting because in the modern world where intellect dominates, you have give up the intellect and feel, in order to develop the taichi body. Adam explains Tai chi verbally better than any one I have heard, but I bet he can convey more information in one touch than 50 hrs of lectures. Don't worry your English is way better than my German.👍
Has this ever been demonstrated with a high level wrestler? I've always wondered if this would work on a skilled wrestler (college level wrestler or above). I imagine that a skilled wrestler would have a intuitive understanding of some of the aspects of whats being taught in the video but they wouldn't consciously realize it. I got no idea for sure, just being curious haha. Apologies if this has been answered or addressed before. Either way thanks for the interesting videos!
@@SysknSumu Hey Sarge, first off I have say that your statement above shows a complete lack of of understanding regarding this subject. What your seeing in this video isn't combat nor suggested as such. It is demonstrating advanced skills one can use to control and manipulate an opponent. While I do agree with you that a skilled Tai Chi expert needs to compete with wrestlers, boxers, karate, and MMA guys in order to gauge their strengths and weaknesses against opponents from other martial disciplines, to see what they need to work on, Tai Chi especially trained to the advanced level demonstrated here by this Sifu, is so far out of the league of western wrestling that you really can't compare them. Wrestling by the way isn't combat either is a mere sport one does that is only utilized during short bursts of training and the even shorter amount of time spent in the ring. Why you seem to believe that western wrestling is considered combat and has been tested in combat situations by high school students or professional WWE stars on tv, is mind boggling. Tai Chi however, is trained and practiced with every breath and is present in every moment of one's life. You are never not practicing it's skills and abilities. Wrestling is something you occasionally do, Tai Chi is something you become, it is a way of life. There is a huge difference in that regard. Let me offer an example you can identify with, Wrestling is like a teen competing in professional paintball while on a national team. Tai Chi is like a seasoned veteran after surviving 3 or 4 tours in Afghanistan during actual wartime. One is done for fun and sport the other is done out of necessity and becomes a way of life. Also wrestlers use mostly muscle power and force to gain leverage and are not Song at all in their bodies. In comparison, wrestlers are far stiffer then a Tai Chi practitioner that trains correctly which makes wrestlers far more easy to manipulate and control in the hands of a skilled Tai Chi expert. Tai Chi experts train using the fascia, tendons and ligaments instead of muscle power, which is very limited and will tire out very quickly. Also Tai Chi trains a crucial skill that Wrestling doesn't, it trains the body and mind to overcome the natural fight/flight response and not be ruled by fear or panic by reacting. It becomes a method to empower the Parasympathetic Response such as what is used in Somatic Therapy and EMDR, for example. Tai Chi trains the body and mind to be relaxed and not tense emotionally as well as physically during stressful or threatening situations. I am not taking about merely being calm or focused during a match, the way most athletes', do I am talking about completely rewiring the way the mind and body function. Tai Chi teaches and trains the body to do that and move in a very different way then the rest of the way that humanity does. It's a completely different animal.
As I understand it, you must be in a state of "song" but with "peng" before you can properly listen "ting". The body must be whole and connected, you cannot have one part "relax" whilst other parts are hard, and the natural intention should be there.
It doesn't matter. They both develop together. You song a little, and it becomes easier to ting. You ting a little and it becomes more apparent where you are tense and still need to song more. And that cycle is practically endless.
The documentary is not Adam's; Adam was merely asked by the owners to be in their documentary. We don't know why the copyright holders / owners are no longer selling it.
I'm curious, is the release of Song the same release as tensing and letting go the muscles, maybe including the "5 (or 6) bows of tai chi"? Or is it a somatic release, like the fast muscle twitch you get from a really good massage, or in deep sleep, when your body jerks and lets go?
Neither; if it was "like" something everyone could already do, then they'd already be able to do it. Better answers to in-depth questions like this on our online forum, which is available in discovertaiji.com
Really very true! Saying something is like something means you haven't experienced the essence of it. for example to say an orange is like a grapefruit ( they're both fruit, they're both round, both full of vitamin C, both eaten for breakfast) but you still don't know what an orange tastes like no matter how many grapefruits you've eaten. The only thing Taichi is like is Taichi. Find a good teacher and sincerely immerse yourself in it. Adam Mizner explains the concepts very very well, but they are just sign posts on the path. The danger is when you hear a good explanation is you think "oh that makes sense, I understand that" it can be a trap. Gotta put the work in to truly understand what he is saying not with the mind but with the body. Respect to all @@DiscoverTaiji
In very basic terms, I would say that it's moving very slightly while the other guy is tense, that's why he goes stumbling off to the side. It's his trying to strong arm you with strength, and the "release" is you shifting very slightly, which makes him go off balance.
Movement via release. My take on it is this. From day one my tai chi teacher would say ‘let relaxations create your movement’. And not only just a generalised idea of letting go, but specifically a connected sequencing of relaxations through the body. First from the feet, then ankles, knees, hips, shoulders, elbows wrists, fingers. In a connected chain. When done in that order, the relaxation from below creates a small space for the relaxing structures above it to slide and fall into the space created. When whole movements are practiced this way it’s possible to ‘fall’ your way through the entire form using relaxations. From feet to fingertip. When someone pushes you when you are moving this way, it’s very easy for the parts of their body they are using to push you with, to begin to fall along with yours. Only your balancing the relative speed of relaxations in the paths inside your body, from both feet to both fingertips, in a cross align fashion, so as to not disturb your central equilibrium. And when you do that, your partners ‘falling’ structure ends up on the outside of your circle.
'song' and 'chi' are qualities that cannot be measured, therefore call them whatever you want. I can call them 'vibrating quantum strings in a 4-dimensional manifold' and nobody can argue with me. I hope taichi people can come up with something more measurable.
You clearly didn't listen to the video. Like your mind is painting a picture over reality as it is occurring in front of you. The body is the laboratory and you are reproducing conditions and changing a variable. It just isn't the laboratory that works the way you want and produces the effects that you want - which is a mental condition that excludes you from participating in the scientific process. You want to quantify something outside of your experience the same way you quantify things in your experience - even after hearing people with experience in it telling you in many ways that you measure and work with this differently than you think you already know.
@@jamesm5192 you just produced your own contradiction: 'which is a mental condition that excludes you from participating in the scientific process'. A scientific process should be independent of your mental condition, right?
Almost no teacher can actually teach. Adam teaches from a perspective that the students in these workshops cannot understand. It is like trying to teach surgery with no understanding of anatomy. I think once they master the art, they lose perspective.
If you had any idea what made a good teacher, then you'd be able to communicate. Instead you make a claim without explaining the why. Why can't he convey? Because you could not comprehend? That is not the fault of the messenger in the case where so many others understand him. Seek first to understand and then to be understood.
@@jamesm5192 Do you think when he says to pressurize the leg, they even have the slightest clue? My first teacher said that tai chi was in the joints, but he didn't explain that it's just a starting point (expanding and contracting). Adam has already achieved a state of bliss, and I don't take that away from him. If chi cultivation were easy to teach, everyone that wanted to learn tai chi could. Instead, most of it is empty and without meaning. I don't teach because I don't understand what I did to feel this way. I also don't know that it would be right to expose someone else to the method I use. It sounds like you've had some good teachers. I envy you.
this is fantastic. I love it. For me this is really an authentic master of an art which includes body, mind and soul.
"taking away freedom is a"
Just fascinating, not only the amazing skill but the application for one approach to tyranny.
So much to be learned and so little time :)
Thank you for sharing.
Great Video, thank you for your generosity in sharing.
This guy is an alien from planet Chi. He teaches good things.
Every lesson has a basic key concept that many just don't know or accept. Some criticise for lack of lineage yet many who claim they are .....whatever lineage are just stuck and repeating what they learned and arguing with others who claim they are the same lineage etc etc. The DT group just has tips, support and info. S real community to improve our practice. The course has 5 YEARS of weekly detailed lessons. Put them together and it is the best course available.
Yep, and the DT course has quite a bit more than 5y of material now :)
I made 2/3 of that online-course till the „snake“.
The concept ( Didactic) is well thought out.
For me the best way to learn.
I am 60y, Physician, and had a lot of advanced trainings and courses.
Online I can repeat as much as I want , because I forget a lot.
Not cheap. 50$
Offcourse not. Its total bs
Lovely. So clear
Beautifully said
Thank you Sifu, very helpful!❤
Very nice, thanks for sharing. 🙏🏼
Thanks, now I understand why people cannot lock my hands even if they attack suddenly without warning. My auto-response is ingrained into my system by daily Huang Tai Chi Chuan training. Now that you mentioned shoulder. Yep my should is pretty song too😂.
Love it,you must have all the harmonies on ,if one is off the energy can't receive or issue.
Very good points. Thank you.
Excellent demonstration
well, Pilgrims great lesson...sending love and peace to everyone...
Most people hear/read 'Push/Pushing Hands' and immediately have an attitude of pushing someone away.
So they might miss the receiving part and to explore senses in both directions.
As you say 'Push/Pushing ' is more the quality here...Not to hit and block and rather push something through your arms.
If the task of the hand form is to banish the 'stupid force' from your body, then for me the task at the Tuishou would be to experience who has more 'stupid force' left or who is eagerly apply it and to treat that.
So as you say, the end result is more 'song/sung' and the movement emerges from it.
Let’s hope one day one of your students or you comes to Western Greece and then experience first hand this lovely tai chi system with the things that for generations weren’t allowed to g outside to the foreigners.
❤I like having someone else tell me what I am doing with totally different style martial art 😇💀
太极拳的很多神奇功能是需要通过基本功的训练才能出来。这种课程叫“体验课”，学生面对面体验了老师的神奇，但如何能训练出和老师同样的效果哪？
Amazing we even got this knowledge on this enemy plate called YT !!
always enjoy your lectures , Professor
Adam never gives up explaining.
The students listen and try to understand it with their superficial minds.
I think one should go first internal…to feel song in meditation .
Then you understand even with your brain what he is talking about.
Adam has been in silence for long time.
But YOU see in this moment the results looking EASY .
Sorry for my english. I m german.
Tai chi is interesting because in the modern world where intellect dominates, you have give up the intellect and feel, in order to develop the taichi body. Adam explains Tai chi verbally better than any one I have heard, but I bet he can convey more information in one touch than 50 hrs of lectures. Don't worry your English is way better than my German.👍
@@johnnemo6509 💯 Adam shows how forceful emptiness and song can be.
Fantastic.
Excellent!
Yes. This is correct.
Has this ever been demonstrated with a high level wrestler? I've always wondered if this would work on a skilled wrestler (college level wrestler or above). I imagine that a skilled wrestler would have a intuitive understanding of some of the aspects of whats being taught in the video but they wouldn't consciously realize it. I got no idea for sure, just being curious haha. Apologies if this has been answered or addressed before. Either way thanks for the interesting videos!
Yes, search TH-cam for the famous Huang wrestling match. Also Ramzi, Sifu Adam's student, has a video against a wrestler on this channel.
It really depends on the skill level of both parties. I say that because both disciplines have pretty much the same method of moving with an opponent.
It will work on anyone you are more song than. 👍🏼
One of the Adam`s senior student :) th-cam.com/video/StzFn70abvw/w-d-xo.html
@@SysknSumu Hey Sarge, first off I have say that your statement above shows a complete lack of of understanding regarding this subject. What your seeing in this video isn't combat nor suggested as such. It is demonstrating advanced skills one can use to control and manipulate an opponent. While I do agree with you that a skilled Tai Chi expert needs to compete with wrestlers, boxers, karate, and MMA guys in order to gauge their strengths and weaknesses against opponents from other martial disciplines, to see what they need to work on, Tai Chi especially trained to the advanced level demonstrated here by this Sifu, is so far out of the league of western wrestling that you really can't compare them. Wrestling by the way isn't combat either is a mere sport one does that is only utilized during short bursts of training and the even shorter amount of time spent in the ring. Why you seem to believe that western wrestling is considered combat and has been tested in combat situations by high school students or professional WWE stars on tv, is mind boggling. Tai Chi however, is trained and practiced with every breath and is present in every moment of one's life. You are never not practicing it's skills and abilities.
Wrestling is something you occasionally do, Tai Chi is something you become, it is a way of life. There is a huge difference in that regard. Let me offer an example you can identify with, Wrestling is like a teen competing in professional paintball while on a national team. Tai Chi is like a seasoned veteran after surviving 3 or 4 tours in Afghanistan during actual wartime. One is done for fun and sport the other is done out of necessity and becomes a way of life. Also wrestlers use mostly muscle power and force to gain leverage and are not Song at all in their bodies. In comparison, wrestlers are far stiffer then a Tai Chi practitioner that trains correctly which makes wrestlers far more easy to manipulate and control in the hands of a skilled Tai Chi expert.
Tai Chi experts train using the fascia, tendons and ligaments instead of muscle power, which is very limited and will tire out very quickly. Also Tai Chi trains a crucial skill that Wrestling doesn't, it trains the body and mind to overcome the natural fight/flight response and not be ruled by fear or panic by reacting. It becomes a method to empower the Parasympathetic Response such as what is used in Somatic Therapy and EMDR, for example. Tai Chi trains the body and mind to be relaxed and not tense emotionally as well as physically during stressful or threatening situations. I am not taking about merely being calm or focused during a match, the way most athletes', do I am talking about completely rewiring the way the mind and body function. Tai Chi teaches and trains the body to do that and move in a very different way then the rest of the way that humanity does. It's a completely different animal.
I understand but difficult to practice and to come to such a released state. Are there some students able to do so ?
I touch with my mind.
👍👍 mucho nivel
I'm impressed but how do you generate that kind of power?
This is years and years of form practise combined with the definate decision to let go ' it's not academic its total trust
Maybe it's stopped question. What comes first song or ting?
My go to will be, song is the precondition
As I understand it, you must be in a state of "song" but with "peng" before you can properly listen "ting". The body must be whole and connected, you cannot have one part "relax" whilst other parts are hard, and the natural intention should be there.
It doesn't matter. They both develop together. You song a little, and it becomes easier to ting. You ting a little and it becomes more apparent where you are tense and still need to song more. And that cycle is practically endless.
Both together, why would one need to be first.
Song ting yi all together 👊🏼
Best to join the online forum for in-depth questions, which is linked in discovertaiji.com
What happened to your movie Power Of Chi. It’s gone
The documentary is not Adam's; Adam was merely asked by the owners to be in their documentary. We don't know why the copyright holders / owners are no longer selling it.
😂😂😂😂😂 and a ouch in the face stops all that
I'm curious, is the release of Song the same release as tensing and letting go the muscles, maybe including the "5 (or 6) bows of tai chi"? Or is it a somatic release, like the fast muscle twitch you get from a really good massage, or in deep sleep, when your body jerks and lets go?
I’d go with deep sleep
Neither; if it was "like" something everyone could already do, then they'd already be able to do it. Better answers to in-depth questions like this on our online forum, which is available in discovertaiji.com
Really very true! Saying something is like something means you haven't experienced the essence of it. for example to say an orange is like a grapefruit ( they're both fruit, they're both round, both full of vitamin C, both eaten for breakfast) but you still don't know what an orange tastes like no matter how many grapefruits you've eaten. The only thing Taichi is like is Taichi. Find a good teacher and sincerely immerse yourself in it. Adam Mizner explains the concepts very very well, but they are just sign posts on the path. The danger is when you hear a good explanation is you think "oh that makes sense, I understand that" it can be a trap. Gotta put the work in to truly understand what he is saying not with the mind but with the body. Respect to all @@DiscoverTaiji
cool
6 minutes video flew so fast!
Подготовленными. С другими не получается?))
Почему он делает это только с адептами?
Shoulder is most difficult to sung.
Better camera /lens, amature cameraman. Good info.Thanks.
Dude in low horse stance… photo bombing all Adam’s shots.
The pattern is not important, but the pattern is important ???
Can anyone share more on what he meant by release? Or movement via release. Thanks
Look up song gong
In very basic terms, I would say that it's moving very slightly while the other guy is tense, that's why he goes stumbling off to the side. It's his trying to strong arm you with strength, and the "release" is you shifting very slightly, which makes him go off balance.
Be less tense than your opponent. More relaxed, more released.
Movement via release. My take on it is this. From day one my tai chi teacher would say ‘let relaxations create your movement’. And not only just a generalised idea of letting go, but specifically a connected sequencing of relaxations through the body. First from the feet, then ankles, knees, hips, shoulders, elbows wrists, fingers. In a connected chain. When done in that order, the relaxation from below creates a small space for the relaxing structures above it to slide and fall into the space created. When whole movements are practiced this way it’s possible to ‘fall’ your way through the entire form using relaxations. From feet to fingertip. When someone pushes you when you are moving this way, it’s very easy for the parts of their body they are using to push you with, to begin to fall along with yours. Only your balancing the relative speed of relaxations in the paths inside your body, from both feet to both fingertips, in a cross align fashion, so as to not disturb your central equilibrium. And when you do that, your partners ‘falling’ structure ends up on the outside of your circle.
'song' and 'chi' are qualities that cannot be measured, therefore call them whatever you want. I can call them 'vibrating quantum strings in a 4-dimensional manifold' and nobody can argue with me. I hope taichi people can come up with something more measurable.
thats the whole problem, they can not. it can only be felt. hard to say it, but in the beggining there is a kind of "lip of faith"
You clearly didn't listen to the video. Like your mind is painting a picture over reality as it is occurring in front of you. The body is the laboratory and you are reproducing conditions and changing a variable. It just isn't the laboratory that works the way you want and produces the effects that you want - which is a mental condition that excludes you from participating in the scientific process. You want to quantify something outside of your experience the same way you quantify things in your experience - even after hearing people with experience in it telling you in many ways that you measure and work with this differently than you think you already know.
@@jamesm5192 you just produced your own contradiction: 'which is a mental condition that excludes you from participating in the scientific process'. A scientific process should be independent of your mental condition, right?
@@jamesm5192 Besides, what I said was that 'chi' and 'song' are not measurable; if you know how to do it, you may win a Nobel prize in medicine.
@@frankchiang6904 You did not parse my words. I'm not interested in back & forth in comment sections. Just interested in spreading truth.
❤
He is very crafty. He is using sound frequencys as he speaks to make that fella bouce off like that.
How would you fare in the stab room?
th-cam.com/video/t69XMB-PINM/w-d-xo.html
Learn the drill to acquire the skill, once you acquire the skill you only need the drill to maintain and teach skill. Drills are not Taiji.
He is not giving the secret out.
Mmi man wath ufc is 😂❤
wow lol is the guy fly back on his own or is the chi power ? check out a 60 years old Okinawan Goju Ryu instructor then youll see a true master
next time when my girlfriend starts screaming a sung the shouldren and put her straight back into the kitchen
Fake
😂 весёло, а зачем же гуру поддаваться? Где работа щиколоток, где проведение усилий в ногу где возврат, сказочник!
Adam is so filled with qi but not so full of being able to convey the concept. I.e. teach
Almost no teacher can actually teach. Adam teaches from a perspective that the students in these workshops cannot understand. It is like trying to teach surgery with no understanding of anatomy. I think once they master the art, they lose perspective.
If you had any idea what made a good teacher, then you'd be able to communicate. Instead you make a claim without explaining the why. Why can't he convey? Because you could not comprehend? That is not the fault of the messenger in the case where so many others understand him. Seek first to understand and then to be understood.
@@jamesm5192 Do you think when he says to pressurize the leg, they even have the slightest clue? My first teacher said that tai chi was in the joints, but he didn't explain that it's just a starting point (expanding and contracting). Adam has already achieved a state of bliss, and I don't take that away from him. If chi cultivation were easy to teach, everyone that wanted to learn tai chi could. Instead, most of it is empty and without meaning. I don't teach because I don't understand what I did to feel this way. I also don't know that it would be right to expose someone else to the method I use. It sounds like you've had some good teachers. I envy you.