A couple things I forgot to mention: - AF1s are around $65 depending which model/colorway, so every other truck brand beats AF1s in cost - Grind lock in felt fine, and at no point did I feel like I was going to stick and slip out of my grind This review did come out a little faster than I wanted as I haven't had much time to skate due to work and burnout, but I wanted to give you guys this review. I also feel like the AF1s are broken in enough to have an honest opinion about them.
I've been riding ACE since they came out in 2007, love the new AF1, thank you for your fun and honest review. I also agree the coping eater graphic needs to come back.
@@InHerRoom you're right. it is just as heavy, it just feels lighter because you're shortening the wheelbase which makes the pop feel lighter and quicker
@@_Maxten your right, I have ace 44s on my tech street board and they feel ALOT lighter than Indy standards, I think a hollow version would feel too light with the same short wheelbase
you are so well spoken and looks like you are really comfortable on camera! also one of the best and most well-made review on skate trucks, but also in everything i have seen! to see that you only had a little over a thousand was a shock. i have only just met you but damnn you are good keep going!!
Honestly, i had both the AF1’s and the classics in front of me. I still chose the classics because of the tighter axle to axle length and the softer metal. logically speaking, wouldn’t the softer metal on the classics grind smoother than the denser metal on the AF1’s?
I wish Ace made replacement bushings of their own make that are a bit harder than what the stock ones are. Being 210lbs those stock bushings are crazy soft. I’ve had to jerry rig with some harder Indie bushings and some Bones Hardcore washers to try and keep geometry while having more stable bushings. Edit. Just went to their own shop and saw that they are selling ’Hard Bushings’. Top and bottom both 94A. Is that a new thing? Can’t find any for sale here in Europe though. Edit2. I’ve gotten the Hard replacement bushings and they have made the truck skateable for me because previously I couldn’t ride them because I’d be in wheel bite town if I misplaced my weight just a little. The Hards are great for me. However I don’t feel like there is that much of a difference between a standard Indie and the AF1s.
Thanks for the review. The turn diagram made me reconsider the AF1s. I enjoyed the sudden turning of classics. Would you be making diagrams for the big 4 trucks?
i just moved from indy 159s to 169 titaniums, i always change stock bushings since the 80s. do you think its worth changing the pivot cup to this one? and is it a compromise for turn quality for longevity? and off topic is real denim worth the cost? also that axle rethreader would be very useful if you were to mess the axles up with the nut on the axle when it would be near impossible to get a normal tap set on as you wouldnt be able to get your wheels off
AS FAR AS POP GOES. IT IS NOT THE HEIGHT OF THE ACE TRUCK PER SAY COMPARED TO INDY.......IT IS THE SHORTER WHEEL BASE. THE WEIGHT OF THE ACE IS MOVED CLOSER TO THE LEVER/FULCRUM POINT GIVING THE APPEARANCE OR FEELING OF A LIGHTER TRUCK. AS A RESULT THE NOSE GETS UP FASTER'/TAIL HITS QUICKER.
Totally agree I moved on From my independent trucks to love the af1 for all around skating but for technical skating I use my thunders too just easier to do tech stuff with them
Would it be too foolish to swap the bushings for a set of bones bushings? Would it mess up the geometry/functionality/pivot cup? I like that you don't have to use whashers with them.
It would mess up the geometry. I had Bones mediums in Ace Classics before, and it makes the truck carvy without the break in period but the bushings also got completely destroyed on metal curbs after a very short time. I would stick with the stock Ace AF1 bushings.
@@ThorneBenatar That sucks. I just ordered some af-1s and really want to keep using my bones bushings. I like the bones so much that I might have to return them and stick to thunder
I'm 230 same here haha, bones hardcore bushings are a very good bushing for heavier riders, medium for loose trucks, hard for tighter trucks. People get on my loose cruiser deck and still say it's extremely stiff haha
Really love your review. I bought the AF1 44’s. But then I saw how sharp the 33’s look now as af1... the old 33’s looked too tall and the middle “the triangle” that goes into the pivot cup; was way too wide. The new 33’s are more narrow and clean and thin... proportional to the hanger: both 33’s and 44’s are my all timers
I am running a krux 96a bottom bushing and a bones 96a bottom bushing up top. Great combination for heavier dudes. Doesnt seem to wack the geometry out either. The krux bushings are taller like stock ace bushings.
I heard the bushings on the AF1 were both the harder kind and the classic models used the softer bushing near the base... ? I have a classic 44 but am definitely thinking about picking up a set of AF1s. Cheers.
good review but the kingpin threads showing is normal for anyone over 205 . im 227 using thunders 100a bushings and still need to get at least 3 threads down
Totally agree! I tried them on a 13.75 wb. It felt so unstable, then I put them on a 14.25 wb decks and I love them! It makes it have so much more control. It feels like indy, only with a pop feel that takes no break in time, less wheel bite and a better turn overall. That is just on the classics though, I gotta try these af1's!
Af1 is alot of small quality of life changes but the changes don't necessarily meet the expectations of the cost increase. Talking about a 50% increase in cost.
A couple things I forgot to mention:
- AF1s are around $65 depending which model/colorway, so every other truck brand beats AF1s in cost
- Grind lock in felt fine, and at no point did I feel like I was going to stick and slip out of my grind
This review did come out a little faster than I wanted as I haven't had much time to skate due to work and burnout, but I wanted to give you guys this review. I also feel like the AF1s are broken in enough to have an honest opinion about them.
Homie I been skating for 25 years and this is by far the most thorough truck review of all times. Thanks for the good work
I've been riding ACE since they came out in 2007, love the new AF1, thank you for your fun and honest review. I also agree the coping eater graphic needs to come back.
wish ace made a lightened version with a hollow axle and kingpin.
there pretty light if your worried about them being heavy like indys you have nothing to worry about there pretty light for a raw truck
@@chumster1424 they are as heavy if not heavier than the same size standard Indys. Go check it out.
@@InHerRoom you're right. it is just as heavy, it just feels lighter because you're shortening the wheelbase which makes the pop feel lighter and quicker
@@_Maxten your right, I have ace 44s on my tech street board and they feel ALOT lighter than Indy standards, I think a hollow version would feel too light with the same short wheelbase
Wish has been granted! (I’m sure you know this by now)
i felt that break up seven with indy’s😥 just got a pair of AF1’s for my cruiser and definitely getting a pair for my street board
you are so well spoken and looks like you are really comfortable on camera!
also one of the best and most well-made review on skate trucks, but also in everything i have seen!
to see that you only had a little over a thousand was a shock.
i have only just met you but damnn you are good
keep going!!
The stability combined with turnability is why I love ACE trucks.
But yeah, the classic bushings popping out is annoying as hell.
Honestly, i had both the AF1’s and the classics in front of me. I still chose the classics because of the tighter axle to axle length and the softer metal. logically speaking, wouldn’t the softer metal on the classics grind smoother than the denser metal on the AF1’s?
When you say tighter axle to axle lenght, are you talking about the wheelbase size? if so how much longer are the new AF1s compared to the classics?
I wish Ace made replacement bushings of their own make that are a bit harder than what the stock ones are. Being 210lbs those stock bushings are crazy soft. I’ve had to jerry rig with some harder Indie bushings and some Bones Hardcore washers to try and keep geometry while having more stable bushings. Edit. Just went to their own shop and saw that they are selling ’Hard Bushings’. Top and bottom both 94A. Is that a new thing? Can’t find any for sale here in Europe though.
Edit2. I’ve gotten the Hard replacement bushings and they have made the truck skateable for me because previously I couldn’t ride them because I’d be in wheel bite town if I misplaced my weight just a little. The Hards are great for me. However I don’t feel like there is that much of a difference between a standard Indie and the AF1s.
Thanks for the review. The turn diagram made me reconsider the AF1s. I enjoyed the sudden turning of classics.
Would you be making diagrams for the big 4 trucks?
Damn, you're coldhearted bro.
i just moved from indy 159s to 169 titaniums, i always change stock bushings since the 80s. do you think its worth changing the pivot cup to this one? and is it a compromise for turn quality for longevity? and off topic is real denim worth the cost? also that axle rethreader would be very useful if you were to mess the axles up with the nut on the axle when it would be near impossible to get a normal tap set on as you wouldnt be able to get your wheels off
AS FAR AS POP GOES. IT IS NOT THE HEIGHT OF THE ACE TRUCK PER SAY COMPARED TO INDY.......IT IS THE SHORTER WHEEL BASE. THE WEIGHT OF THE ACE IS MOVED CLOSER TO THE LEVER/FULCRUM POINT GIVING THE APPEARANCE OR FEELING OF A LIGHTER TRUCK. AS A RESULT THE NOSE GETS UP FASTER'/TAIL HITS QUICKER.
Hangers on ACEs felt like butter against ledges when I first got em.
are the bones bushings compatible with these bad boys?!?!
Yes they are. Although I don’t know if you’ll benefit as much as the classics do
The scientific approach to analyzing the physics of the trucks and how they skate are the type of videos I am looking for, great job keep it up!
Your reviewed came as fast as I wish 😀.
Independent is to skateboarding what Harley Davidson is to motorcycles.
What deck? Like the blunt nose/tail.
I love the unusual deck shapes you skate man, great vids too keep it up!
Totally agree I moved on
From my independent trucks to love the af1 for all around skating but for technical skating I use my thunders too just easier to do tech stuff with them
softer bottom bushing and harder top bushing? interesting. i typically go for the other way around
Amazing video, informative and funny.
So are they taller or shorter than independent???
Really nice video bro, very detailed! Thx, getting my ACE AF1 44 ASAP.
I learned a lot of good info with lots of substance, and I got a good laugh. Thanks for the great vid.
What deck are you riding there? It looks like a really great shape to skate on
... The red ring is the axle rethreader... you used the actual Ace nut.
Yes I did, and that's because the nuts are rethreaders too.
@@ThorneBenatar I enjoyed your video dude, but I was wondering why you didn't just use the actual rethreader 😂
Do the hollows please ^^!
Would it be too foolish to swap the bushings for a set of bones bushings? Would it mess up the geometry/functionality/pivot cup? I like that you don't have to use whashers with them.
It would mess up the geometry. I had Bones mediums in Ace Classics before, and it makes the truck carvy without the break in period but the bushings also got completely destroyed on metal curbs after a very short time.
I would stick with the stock Ace AF1 bushings.
@@ThorneBenatar That sucks. I just ordered some af-1s and really want to keep using my bones bushings. I like the bones so much that I might have to return them and stick to thunder
I'm 240lbs. That's explains why my trucks are always loose to me.
I'm 230 same here haha, bones hardcore bushings are a very good bushing for heavier riders, medium for loose trucks, hard for tighter trucks. People get on my loose cruiser deck and still say it's extremely stiff haha
@@seblo8462 I think because most people are around shoe size 9 they have lessons turning leverage too than me size 11.
Really love your review. I bought the AF1 44’s. But then I saw how sharp the 33’s look now as af1... the old 33’s looked too tall and the middle “the triangle” that goes into the pivot cup; was way too wide. The new 33’s are more narrow and clean and thin... proportional to the hanger: both 33’s and 44’s are my all timers
Im planning to get ace af1 what do you think fits 8.12 33s or 44s?
@@concepcionpadua1460 I ride an 8in with 44s. it doesn't really matter
I am running a krux 96a bottom bushing and a bones 96a bottom bushing up top. Great combination for heavier dudes. Doesnt seem to wack the geometry out either. The krux bushings are taller like stock ace bushings.
Interesting deck, anyone know what it is? Nice review! Drawing, very helpful too
Indy😂😂
Best AF1 review so far ❤️
Thank you for this review it was very in depth and covered some topics that I hadn't seen in other vids. Much love, keep killing it dude!!
I heard the bushings on the AF1 were both the harder kind and the classic models used the softer bushing near the base... ? I have a classic 44 but am definitely thinking about picking up a set of AF1s. Cheers.
I've definitely felt more pop out of ace's than other trucks, but it might be because I'm taller? I'm not sure
good review but the kingpin threads showing is normal for anyone over 205 . im 227 using thunders 100a bushings and still need to get at least 3 threads down
ace have a shorter wb than indys, only use aces on old schools decks and decks with a wb larger than 14"
The wheel base is measured by the deck width between the trucks right?
Totally agree! I tried them on a 13.75 wb. It felt so unstable, then I put them on a 14.25 wb decks and I love them! It makes it have so much more control. It feels like indy, only with a pop feel that takes no break in time, less wheel bite and a better turn overall. That is just on the classics though, I gotta try these af1's!
That's most likely any deck > 8" wide.
just picked the AF1 up today
Let us know what your opinion is when you know what your opinion is 😂
Great review man!
you mainly skate thunder so id assume your more comfortable ollieing higher with em?
You forgot to check the wheelbase the wheelbase changes from truck the truck the original aces made the wheelbase shorter not sure about the new ones
Thank you so much for this review! Just got a pair of af1 hollows
bro that ending sequence was everything, so good!!
Thanks for the review bro. Gonna snatch up some 77s.
Haha such a good video! This channel is super sick! Keep up the good work
Great video and thanks for clearing up the information at the start
What's the best all terrain truck; for skating street and transition
You got sick style when you skate, man. Review was good too
You were way to nice with that break up. Tell her the truth!
16:14 ace makes a 7.0 inch axle which is basically a 6.9 in axle
Tight bro I skate union city every week
Can u switch out ace bushings to Indy bushings?
In your opinion, high or low concave will be better with af1?
which Thunder’s were you using in the pop height test?
Hey broh, can you make bs/fs slappy grind tutorial? TY
really nice in depth video man just bought these today
underrated and very informative content, needs more views
Bravo, wearing a mask at the skatepark.
Af1 is alot of small quality of life changes but the changes don't necessarily meet the expectations of the cost increase. Talking about a 50% increase in cost.
True, but skate shoes usually cost more or if we’re lucky the same price and are gone much faster than a set of trucks.
I wasn’t expecting to cry at the end. 😭
Board side bushing road side bushing cool video 🤙
I love ur profile pic 😆
Fuckin rad video!
great video
Hahaha the ending 😂👍🏻🔥
Haha Epic ending!!!
great review :)
How could you do that to the poor indys!
Mids are good tho
Well done 👍
This video is Shalom af. Respect
Shana Tova
Skating with a mask on can’t be healthy man.
How?
If you weigh more than 90lbs the wheel bite is crazy...
Great analysis. I enjoyed the breakup too