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Im running some Japanese Diatones Pronounced Diratones I am told. Don’t understand why but anyways. They are DS-W181 with the metal grills and oak. I found to my surprise the Genelac monitor woofer is the perfect replacement driver and it totally kicks the bass like it shouldve from factory.
You should try the omega Super Alnico High Output XRS. All the great soundstage of a single driver with reinforced base. It's a brilliant design and doesn't suffer from that loss of warmth you described. In fact, I would say midrange is their strength, sub-bass and detail are good but it's the midrange magic that shine on these.
I few years ago, i listened to a pair of speakers from Japan ...one single driver..man the sound was just marvelous 👌...they had a photo of the speakers cut in half, so you can see all wood curves that make the speaker so good sounding 👌
For $2.8k you can get some Made in USA speakers from Omega Speaker Systems with an Alinco magnet in particular the Super 8 XRS Honest review in my opinion Thank You
Thanks, Jay! I really enjoyed this review. Additionally, I recently mentioned/queried on another hifi youtuber's video how speakers and other equipment may cater to specific cultures, as musical tastes vary significantly across different world regions.
Love full range speakers , especially for their choerence, no discontinuation in frequencies , all from one voice , But.......and it is a big but :) ( sorry , could not resist) .................. it has to be naturally well build and the driver has to be excelent , for me Voxativ all the way ,..until now continue to be the best full range drivers/speakers that i have ever heard . The 9.87 is stunning ! never heard their field coil drivers , unfortunately !!
Apart from the fact that i am building a dipole speaker with a pair of Lee Song F15 drivers , front from african tulipa wood 3,6cm board , driver works from behind the front , with a horn of sorts in the front due to the cutted edge , edges from the front board are rounded , feet are made from a very heavy kind of wood and lackered in black mat , are basically a rectangualr shape , with a sledge in the front of the feet where the front board falls between two pieces of rubber , cable is from Duelund , no crossover at all, but for convienence i am going to build a " box " behind with via blue s-120 Terminals , so that i can simply plug in and out the speaker cables! front is going to be treated with a felt material . waiting for the feet to be lackered to start the building/mounting of these ones. they are going to be 119 when elevated by the feet , plus 60 large , and with 3,6cm deep (front board) . Curious , how its going to sound !?
I'm also a big fan of Voxative drivers. There are only a couple of negatives with them. They take absolutely ages to break in. Once they have broken in they are sublime so this is only a negative for the first couple of hundred hours. The other negative is the quality of the binding posts. These are, as Danny Richie would say, cheeeeesy. I replaced them with KLE binding posts and the difference was night and day.
Jay, adding an air core inductor in series will tame the high frequency brightness (did this with a 0.22mH choke added to a bright full range driver to very good effect).
I really like this review. It is honest and you clearly point out weak areas of the speaker. Very strange to make such a resonate cabinet. I just don’t understand why they don’t invest in some damping and structural pieces to avoid the problems. Very strange!
I have the Lii Song Audio "Liionidas" open Baffle and love them, it has a lot of bass, even I sold my pair 10' B&W subs. I've owned other tower speakers but Lii Song have a sweet spot were music make you feel something, emotions, more than any other brand. They are not perfect but I really started to enjoy, feel, and get emotional with music, something I had lost searching speakers.
Decware uses this brand of speaker for some of their line of speakers. I purchased a pair of open baffles that incorporates Liisong 15 inch drivers. I picked them up for a very good price that included shipping. Extremely open and revealing speakers.But they need a lot of breaking in and a good subwoofer helps too. I plan to use them with a Decware amp I've been waiting for over two years to receive. Maybe this summer?
How to give them more bass and make them dipole: Take the driver out, beef up the box inside and install a woofer in place of the FR driver, with a large inductor. And attach the FR driver open, on top of the box, sloped back by like 20 degrees, so the peak in the treble doesn't hit you (like you explained) and gives more layering in the soundstage and imaging is improved. For CRANKING, put a 100 mf cap on the FR driver. It's point source and dipole, for the BEST image you will hear in a speaker! So good that you can't tell if it's sound from outside or from the speakers. Sometimes I hear a "real" voice in my room (and I get a shock) then I realise it's the speakers. Yep, I build speakers like that with open FR drivers and open coaxials and a boxed woofer. I will NEVER go back! 😂
Great review…Would love your impressions of their ZF15L open baffle speakers. These drivers are so nice, can see why these are so often used in more OB configurations 🙏🏼
lmao "shred my ears"". I'm not sure about other people, but I enjoy when reviewers are not afraid to say that they dislike a product. This is the kind of information that impacts the manufacturers and pushes them to build better products.
A little (expensive) story. Up till recently I drove Wharfedale Elysian 4s with an Allnic Audio 300b SET delivering 12 watts per side. It sounded great, but I used a Kinki amp for big, dynamic, music. Icon Audio a UK tube specialist were selling ex dem single driver full range floorstanders for 30% of retail and I couldnt resist. Less than one tenth of the price of the Wharfedales. A stone cold bargain. With the Allnic SET and with acoustic music and jazz the sound was revelatory. Much better than the Wharfedales. Astonishing. Neither the SET or the Elysians were reaching their potential together. Now I have a 100w KT170 Allnic tube amp with the Elysians and the SET and Icons have their own room. So the obvious bargain has cost me a fortune but taught me a lesson about Synergy. Low wattage tubes are born to live with sensitive single driver speakers. Its incredible. Edit: The Icon FR2 speakers are fantastic. If you are in the UK, even at full price they are well worth it.
Is it correct to say that dual cone drivers are really 2-ways with a mechanical crossover? I think it's important to remember that if you reduce bass, all other things being equal, you will hear more detail on the top end simply because of psychoacoustics. Thanks for more thoughtful stuff and a great New Year!
When the treble is drowned out by the bass, it's not psychol, it's just that it's harder to hear the top end cos FR's feable top end can easily be drowned out. But with bright tweeters it's a different story, you can have thumping bass and the top end still penetrates. That's why I like coaxials.
My speakers are PMC Twenty5.23, and they are perfect for my limited size listening space, in that they can give me the full range sound from a pair of relatively small floor standers.
I have been interested in these drivers and speakers. Thanks for the review. The internet tells me that I can not use my speakers with a tube amp. But I love the sound from my home made 6Watt E34L single ended ultra linear tube amp paired with my Polk R700. It does start distorting once in the mid 80 Spl, but great bass at normal volume. Better than with my 200 watt Rotel amp. So don’t believe everything people say on the internet.
I have built a dream diy (open baffle) speaker (atleast in my head😂) with their 21" subwoofer + audio elegance 15" le woofer + radian mid 10" ribbon planar + mundorf amt dipole. I can't imagine the sheer audio symphony that would create 🤔 Considering how great my diy car audio project sounds after going with a arylic amt7 i will never go back to anything fullrange or just dome tweeters. My car sounds better than my living room which is crazy but then again i did alot of sound deadening & insulation inside the doors so there's that.
I wonder if you opened the cabinets and lined them with good quality acoustic wool, which would likely be very straightforward, you could improve them significantly.
Sounds like a very similar speaker to my Zu Union 6. 99db, 8 ohm, basically a single driver with a “super tweeter” I believe for over 14khz. Uniquely and intentionally designed cabinet to tune resonances. I am driving with a NAD analog preamp, 38 watt PrimaLuna EL34 based amp, also with a Martin Logan smaller 10 inch sub that is musically focused if you will. Lots of strong points and engaging. But….will be fatigued with poor recordings or too much toe in. I am actually looking to sweeten them a bit/ mellow them and considering something like a 300b amp. Or? Thoughts?
Thanks for reviewing these. I’ve been curious about these for low wattage tune amp use. Would love to get your impressions of the Lii-Song open baffle speakers like the ZF15M/L.
Hi Jay, great year ahead with new interesting reviews! Have u tried Voxativ single wideband speaker like the Hagen2 ? The designer have decades of driver design experience under her belt. Very natural sound and accurate, good for most genres but sensitivity not as high, around the range 92~97dB.
This video shows I was right to subscribe. You are nothing if not diplomatic, but the viewer is given enough information to decide whether these are to his liking. Personally, I will stay far away from this kind of speaker. Others have suggested that notch filters can tame the anomalies in the high end, but I doubt the wisdom of this approach. Yes, you can notch filter your way to a flatter looking frequency response curve, but that doesn't mean you've resolved the original problem which is the ringing.
Interesting review. Thanks Jay. I prefer speakers that aren't musical instruments in their own right. They will impose their own character on everything played through them. Nice or not. (No speaker is perfect of course) I'm using 2.2 LRS/RELs "open baffles" tube pre & SS amps for front row perspective. KEF LS50/RELs SS for mid hall feel.😢 Rega Naos TLs for an el34 tube amp. I'd love to hear Harley Lovegrove's Pearl Acoustics Sebelius full range/TL.... And Mofi's 888 seem worth an audition 😊
I just love these speakers...the transparency is almost unmatched...it is not perfect ( as any speaker )....but the live sound you get is amazing...be aware that it should be matched with the right tube amplifier....a very unique sound....and I was shoked by the deep bass you get ...at the end...it is not easy to set up...specially the position.....what's the right sound ? There is not.....
There is a whole live cabinet philosophy, discussed extensively on Real World Audio by Janos on YT. Whether they've implemented it properly here I don't know, the response certainly looks ragged and those resonances on the impedance curve look rather "peaky".
I think transparency should come from low distortion and neutral balance. Not from left up balance or certain aggressive frequency response. It may sounds like transparent or detailed at the beginning because you may hear something different and refreshing. But with long term listening, lift up balance and aggressive response will bring listening fatigue and less enjoyment of listening to music.
Nah. Built my own H 15” frame open baffles with a ribbon tweeter. With a mini dsp for the x over and parametric eq correction. More than good enough for under 1K in parts. If want plans let me know.
Waxing on and off and screwing on and off may seem exactly similar at a glance but from a distance the latter rather than former looks ubiquitous. The more you know*…hypothetically…uh do you suggest a servo driver or something like Magnepan bass panels to make the low frequencies?
The Liisong drivers are better in open baffle speakers. It sounds more like what you were hearing without the bass resonances. Open baffle bass is the best, fast and articulate.
Nice review. Suspect the design philosophy is the antithesis of what you enjoy or used to. I think the cabinet is intended to behave like a musical instrument with the resonances (how successful it is on execution is another matter). Room treatment - especially bass traps are likely to negate what the speaker is trying to do to attain bass. It’s like that scene in ‘Saving Private Ryan’ where the glider pilot said that he crashed because someone wanted to protect the general by welding steel to the fuselage = FUBAR 😅 BTW, did you experiment with positioning the speaker into the corners / walls?
Lii Song need to improve on cabinet design and tech. It’s not an audiophile spkr. I think their drivers is more for open baffle application. Definitely not my cup of tea and it’s too big for smaller rooms and it’s not neutral and transparent as say a Kef spkr. For 3k , sorry it isn’t worth the price, a Kef R3 Meta or Q11 would be way better.
A better cabinet and some notch filters would go along way to make this a more Even Sounding speaker I’m guessing. No, I’ve never listen to these, but I’ve heard many single driver speakers, but most have serious issues, but can be fun for the right person.😊
A basic baffle step network to pull the top end down to match the mids and bass and that response could actually look good. But as is…wow. Get yourself 2 jbl Bluetooth speakers instead 😮
Thank you Jay for another great video. I have to say, the driver looks like a plastic toy. Seems like too much money for what it is. All good manufacturers make inert cabinets.
Looks like a decent driver in a cheap box. For over $3000.00, the value isn't good. If it was a Kef or speaker from another good speaker brand, you'd be terribly disappointed.
Origin? Nothing is origin in that thing. This is a Auditorium23 Loudspeaker copy, 100%. I heard that over 20years ago in my room and still listen to similar speakers from A23 with a much older architecture fully resonating dipole.
Clearly china crap quality. Look at the big, but actually small driving magnet, the wood build quality and the design details. Not worth the money because even low money wasted is money wasted. Look for the originals - uuuh not sold anymore - bad luck, then. Buy something original.
Anyway this reviewer won‘t understand neither of the systems concept. but that‘s ok, it‘s not his mainstream taste. A niche direction to music appreciation.
@@TruthHasSpoken if you are talking about “accuracy” and response within a +-3db window, this speaker isn’t it regardless of which price point you are talking about
Real trash speaker. Lacking in the bass, lack of linearity in the treble (after 10 minutes the head hurts). Difference between treble and bass of more than 30dB (information provided by the manufacturer itself) and high distortion when I obtained measurements of this crap. Call this product high fidelity? better high infidelity.
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Im running some Japanese Diatones Pronounced Diratones I am told. Don’t understand why but anyways. They are DS-W181 with the metal grills and oak. I found to my surprise the Genelac monitor woofer is the perfect replacement driver and it totally kicks the bass like it shouldve from factory.
You should try the omega Super Alnico High Output XRS. All the great soundstage of a single driver with reinforced base. It's a brilliant design and doesn't suffer from that loss of warmth you described. In fact, I would say midrange is their strength, sub-bass and detail are good but it's the midrange magic that shine on these.
Fyne Audio f701’s on Fyne Audio FS8 stands.
These speakers badly need a baffle step correction network…shouty, honkey, midrangey to me…great mids if you have trouble hearing dialogue 😀
I few years ago, i listened to a pair of speakers from Japan ...one single driver..man the sound was just marvelous 👌...they had a photo of the speakers cut in half, so you can see all wood curves that make the speaker so good sounding 👌
Thanks for sharing this honest and thoughtful review. Great video and depth in context is what sets you apart .
For $2.8k you can get some Made in USA speakers from Omega Speaker Systems with an Alinco magnet in particular the Super 8 XRS
Honest review in my opinion
Thank You
Thanks, Jay! I really enjoyed this review. Additionally, I recently mentioned/queried on another hifi youtuber's video how speakers and other equipment may cater to specific cultures, as musical tastes vary significantly across different world regions.
Love full range speakers , especially for their choerence, no discontinuation in frequencies , all from one voice ,
But.......and it is a big but :) ( sorry , could not resist) ..................
it has to be naturally well build and the driver has to be excelent ,
for me Voxativ all the way ,..until now continue to be the best full range drivers/speakers that i have ever heard .
The 9.87 is stunning !
never heard their field coil drivers , unfortunately !!
Apart from the fact that i am building a dipole speaker with a pair of Lee Song F15 drivers , front from african tulipa wood 3,6cm board , driver works from behind the front , with a horn of sorts in the front due to the cutted edge , edges from the front board are rounded ,
feet are made from a very heavy kind of wood and lackered in black mat , are basically a rectangualr shape , with a sledge in the front of the feet where the front board falls between two pieces of rubber ,
cable is from Duelund , no crossover at all,
but for convienence i am going to build a " box " behind with via blue s-120 Terminals , so that i can simply plug in and out the speaker cables! front is going to be treated with a felt material .
waiting for the feet to be lackered to start the building/mounting of these ones.
they are going to be 119 when elevated by the feet , plus 60 large , and with 3,6cm deep (front board) .
Curious , how its going to sound !?
I'm also a big fan of Voxative drivers.
There are only a couple of negatives with them.
They take absolutely ages to break in. Once they have broken in they are sublime so this is only a negative for the first couple of hundred hours.
The other negative is the quality of the binding posts. These are, as Danny Richie would say, cheeeeesy. I replaced them with KLE binding posts and the difference was night and day.
Jay, adding an air core inductor in series will tame the high frequency brightness (did this with a 0.22mH choke added to a bright full range driver to very good effect).
The highs are least of my concerns. The resonance and upper bass/low mid scoop is what breaks the deal for me personally
I really like this review. It is honest and you clearly point out weak areas of the speaker.
Very strange to make such a resonate cabinet. I just don’t understand why they don’t invest in some damping and structural pieces to avoid the problems. Very strange!
Love the thumbnail image and your review, Jay! Lilsong drivers are great!!! 🎉
Great review, really well done - clear, efficient and well organized, and let me understand the nature and the sound one might expect - thanks!
I have the Lii Song Audio "Liionidas" open Baffle and love them, it has a lot of bass, even I sold my pair 10' B&W subs. I've owned other tower speakers but Lii Song have a sweet spot were music make you feel something, emotions, more than any other brand. They are not perfect but I really started to enjoy, feel, and get emotional with music, something I had lost searching speakers.
Wow - look at the resonances all over that impedance plot!
Decware uses this brand of speaker for some of their line of speakers. I purchased a pair of open baffles that incorporates Liisong 15 inch drivers. I picked them up for a very good price that included shipping. Extremely open and revealing speakers.But they need a lot of breaking in and a good subwoofer helps too. I plan to use them with a Decware amp I've been waiting for over two years to receive. Maybe this summer?
How to give them more bass and make them dipole:
Take the driver out, beef up the box inside and install a woofer in place of the FR driver, with a large inductor. And attach the FR driver open, on top of the box, sloped back by like 20 degrees, so the peak in the treble doesn't hit you (like you explained) and gives more layering in the soundstage and imaging is improved. For CRANKING, put a 100 mf cap on the FR driver. It's point source and dipole, for the BEST image you will hear in a speaker! So good that you can't tell if it's sound from outside or from the speakers. Sometimes I hear a "real" voice in my room (and I get a shock) then I realise it's the speakers. Yep, I build speakers like that with open FR drivers and open coaxials and a boxed woofer. I will NEVER go back! 😂
Great review…Would love your impressions of their ZF15L open baffle speakers. These drivers are so nice, can see why these are so often used in more OB configurations 🙏🏼
lmao "shred my ears"". I'm not sure about other people, but I enjoy when reviewers are not afraid to say that they dislike a product. This is the kind of information that impacts the manufacturers and pushes them to build better products.
A little (expensive) story.
Up till recently I drove Wharfedale Elysian 4s with an Allnic Audio 300b SET delivering 12 watts per side. It sounded great, but I used a Kinki amp for big, dynamic, music.
Icon Audio a UK tube specialist were selling ex dem single driver full range floorstanders for 30% of retail and I couldnt resist. Less than one tenth of the price of the Wharfedales. A stone cold bargain.
With the Allnic SET and with acoustic music and jazz the sound was revelatory. Much better than the Wharfedales. Astonishing. Neither the SET or the Elysians were reaching their potential together.
Now I have a 100w KT170 Allnic tube amp with the Elysians and the SET and Icons have their own room.
So the obvious bargain has cost me a fortune but taught me a lesson about Synergy. Low wattage tubes are born to live with sensitive single driver speakers. Its incredible.
Edit: The Icon FR2 speakers are fantastic. If you are in the UK, even at full price they are well worth it.
Is it correct to say that dual cone drivers are really 2-ways with a mechanical crossover? I think it's important to remember that if you reduce bass, all other things being equal, you will hear more detail on the top end simply because of psychoacoustics. Thanks for more thoughtful stuff and a great New Year!
When the treble is drowned out by the bass, it's not psychol, it's just that it's harder to hear the top end cos FR's feable top end can easily be drowned out. But with bright tweeters it's a different story, you can have thumping bass and the top end still penetrates. That's why I like coaxials.
My speakers are PMC Twenty5.23, and they are perfect for my limited size listening space, in that they can give me the full range sound from a pair of relatively small floor standers.
Jay just wait until you review the new Driade Premium Model 9 Monitors Speakers ! 😇😇
Thanks Jay! Well played!
I have been interested in these drivers and speakers. Thanks for the review.
The internet tells me that I can not use my speakers with a tube amp. But I love the sound from my home made 6Watt E34L single ended ultra linear tube amp paired with my Polk R700. It does start distorting once in the mid 80 Spl, but great bass at normal volume. Better than with my 200 watt Rotel amp. So don’t believe everything people say on the internet.
That driver is amazing I love it, didn't try these speakers though... too big for my taste but I think is a great value
I have built a dream diy (open baffle) speaker (atleast in my head😂) with their 21" subwoofer + audio elegance 15" le woofer + radian mid 10" ribbon planar + mundorf amt dipole. I can't imagine the sheer audio symphony that would create 🤔
Considering how great my diy car audio project sounds after going with a arylic amt7 i will never go back to anything fullrange or just dome tweeters. My car sounds better than my living room which is crazy but then again i did alot of sound deadening & insulation inside the doors so there's that.
Screwing on and off are one of my favorite hobbies.
Great review. Seems one could tame these peaks with a parametric equalizer in your streamer.
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Probably could.
I wonder if you opened the cabinets and lined them with good quality acoustic wool, which would likely be very straightforward, you could improve them significantly.
Sounds like a very similar speaker to my Zu Union 6. 99db, 8 ohm, basically a single driver with a “super tweeter” I believe for over 14khz. Uniquely and intentionally designed cabinet to tune resonances. I am driving with a NAD analog preamp, 38 watt PrimaLuna EL34 based amp, also with a Martin Logan smaller 10 inch sub that is musically focused if you will. Lots of strong points and engaging. But….will be fatigued with poor recordings or too much toe in. I am actually looking to sweeten them a bit/ mellow them and considering something like a 300b amp. Or? Thoughts?
Thanks for reviewing these. I’ve been curious about these for low wattage tune amp use.
Would love to get your impressions of the Lii-Song open baffle speakers like the ZF15M/L.
Hi Jay, great year ahead with new interesting reviews! Have u tried Voxativ single wideband speaker like the Hagen2 ? The designer have decades of driver design experience under her belt. Very natural sound and accurate, good for most genres but sensitivity not as high, around the range 92~97dB.
This video shows I was right to subscribe. You are nothing if not diplomatic, but the viewer is given enough information to decide whether these are to his liking. Personally, I will stay far away from this kind of speaker. Others have suggested that notch filters can tame the anomalies in the high end, but I doubt the wisdom of this approach. Yes, you can notch filter your way to a flatter looking frequency response curve, but that doesn't mean you've resolved the original problem which is the ringing.
This speaker look amazing but for size it quite a huge speaker for me. For now am rocking with proac d18 and Dali Rubicon2
Interesting review.
Thanks Jay.
I prefer speakers that aren't musical instruments in their own right. They will impose their own character on everything played through them. Nice or not.
(No speaker is perfect of course)
I'm using 2.2 LRS/RELs "open baffles" tube pre & SS amps for front row perspective.
KEF LS50/RELs SS for mid hall feel.😢
Rega Naos TLs for an el34 tube amp.
I'd love to hear Harley Lovegrove's Pearl Acoustics Sebelius full range/TL....
And Mofi's 888 seem worth an audition 😊
Maybe a t line would have given it better bass. Also a notch filter to bring down around 10,000 Hz
Newer Leonard Cohen perhaps. But his original voice is a kid's voice. The difference is astounding.
Hi Jay, when is your review of the 1528 bookshelf 8 coming out?
Do the ModWright Analog Bridge next. I'm tempted to get that unit but will value your assessment first.
I just love these speakers...the transparency is almost unmatched...it is not perfect ( as any speaker )....but the live sound you get is amazing...be aware that it should be matched with the right tube amplifier....a very unique sound....and I was shoked by the deep bass you get ...at the end...it is not easy to set up...specially the position.....what's the right sound ? There is not.....
There is a whole live cabinet philosophy, discussed extensively on Real World Audio by Janos on YT. Whether they've implemented it properly here I don't know, the response certainly looks ragged and those resonances on the impedance curve look rather "peaky".
I think transparency should come from low distortion and neutral balance. Not from left up balance or certain aggressive frequency response. It may sounds like transparent or detailed at the beginning because you may hear something different and refreshing. But with long term listening, lift up balance and aggressive response will bring listening fatigue and less enjoyment of listening to music.
Nah. Built my own H 15” frame open baffles with a ribbon tweeter. With a mini dsp for the x over and parametric eq correction. More than good enough for under 1K in parts. If want plans let me know.
Add; in-line high pass, sub-woofer, cabinet damping?
Waxing on and off and screwing on and off may seem exactly similar at a glance but from a distance the latter rather than former looks ubiquitous. The more you know*…hypothetically…uh do you suggest a servo driver or something like Magnepan bass panels to make the low frequencies?
The Liisong drivers are better in open baffle speakers. It sounds more like what you were hearing without the bass resonances. Open baffle bass is the best, fast and articulate.
Nice review. Suspect the design philosophy is the antithesis of what you enjoy or used to.
I think the cabinet is intended to behave like a musical instrument with the resonances (how successful it is on execution is another matter). Room treatment - especially bass traps are likely to negate what the speaker is trying to do to attain bass. It’s like that scene in ‘Saving Private Ryan’ where the glider pilot said that he crashed because someone wanted to protect the general by welding steel to the fuselage = FUBAR 😅
BTW, did you experiment with positioning the speaker into the corners / walls?
Where is the review for the arendal bookshelf?
coming very soon :)
@ looking forward to it I really want that speaker
Guitarist and Piano may sound incredible on these speakers?
Hello, Jay!
hi!
Lii Song need to improve on cabinet design and tech. It’s not an audiophile spkr. I think their drivers is more for open baffle application. Definitely not my cup of tea and it’s too big for smaller rooms and it’s not neutral and transparent as say a Kef spkr. For 3k , sorry it isn’t worth the price, a Kef R3 Meta or Q11 would be way better.
A better cabinet and some notch filters would go along way to make this a more Even Sounding speaker I’m guessing. No, I’ve never listen to these, but I’ve heard many single driver speakers, but most have serious issues, but can be fun for the right person.😊
I would choose an open baffle design for a tube amp, not this. Still Rocking my old Tannoy 637's
I would still be open for a high sensitive speaker so I could make SE EL84 poweramp which could drive it
Rocking the Grateful Dead through Ice Modules driving Yamaha NS-5000's.
Thanks, Jay! I was interested in this speaker, but after your review, I know for sure that it's not for me.
Check out the rethm speakers . They are beyond DIY drivers.
Interesting speakers. Great review. The look department and size of this speaker are not my cup of tea.
For just $200 more, get the Arendal 1723 Tower S THX.
It looks like a tangband driver
I prefer the original Lee Audio driver's, although i think cube audio is in another league.
A basic baffle step network to pull the top end down to match the mids and bass and that response could actually look good. But as is…wow. Get yourself 2 jbl Bluetooth speakers instead 😮
I want separate drivers.
Maaaan, have you never heard of No Rez? Danny will be really disappointed.
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Violins are resonant boxes
Yes but speakers are no violins and this speaker certainly doesn’t portray violin well (atleast for me)
@Jayiyagi good speakers, like Spendor, Harbeth and the rest of the BBC style ones, ARE designed to breath in and out like voice boxes or violins.
Cabinet needs bracing and GR's No rez.
warum macht youtube plötzlich deutscher Text beim Titel? Muss ich das bei Sprache echt ändern jedesmal !? ...wo kann ich TH-cam anschreiben wegen dem?
Thank you Jay for another great video. I have to say, the driver looks like a plastic toy. Seems like too much money for what it is. All good manufacturers make inert cabinets.
Only for hipsters,and for a flute guitar voice trio.Any 150 dollars 2 way bookshelf sounds fuller for real music.
why dont you actually buy/keep all this stuff you claim to love?
Check Ocellia 🇫🇷 Magnificent
You must be crazy to buy it
Is that a Christmas light in the middle of a plastic driver? Not a bad looking cabinet, but the resonance is cheesy. Hard pass on this one.
Looks like a decent driver in a cheap box. For over $3000.00, the value isn't good. If it was a Kef or speaker from another good speaker brand, you'd be terribly disappointed.
Origin? Nothing is origin in that thing. This is a Auditorium23 Loudspeaker copy, 100%. I heard that over 20years ago in my room and still listen to similar speakers from A23 with a much older architecture fully resonating dipole.
Clearly china crap quality. Look at the big, but actually small driving magnet, the wood build quality and the design details. Not worth the money because even low money wasted is money wasted. Look for the originals - uuuh not sold anymore - bad luck, then. Buy something original.
Anyway this reviewer won‘t understand neither of the systems concept. but that‘s ok, it‘s not his mainstream taste. A niche direction to music appreciation.
$3,300 for chinese speakers?! no. Probably cost them 8 bucks to make. Is that an old Christmas light in the center?
Jay, you may want to be a bit more direct in giving less than favorable reviews. You were going round in circles trying to be nice 😊
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@@AnandSingh-y6j8j I think his criticism was quite apparent, detailed and unadulterated.
@@adamkrauss303 in looking at the graphs, he needs to say: "this is not good for a $3000 speaker."
@@TruthHasSpoken if you are talking about “accuracy” and response within a +-3db window, this speaker isn’t it regardless of which price point you are talking about
@@Jayiyagi thank you for the feedback.
Loose the grafs, they add nothing without a ton of qualifiers. GR research’s grafs are bad enough stop just stop.
Wow.... 3000 thats a lot of money
@@brooklynknightss lol
If you devote yourself to save for 6 months its doable
sad to see such a nice driver being used in such a resonant cabinet. shameful in fact.
Also, diffraction by bad cabinet design is obviously a problem.
Real trash speaker. Lacking in the bass, lack of linearity in the treble (after 10 minutes the head hurts). Difference between treble and bass of more than 30dB (information provided by the manufacturer itself) and high distortion when I obtained measurements of this crap. Call this product high fidelity? better high infidelity.
Gimmiky
Seems like female voices will be yelling at me.
No we don't love them.
They #Thicc
NO-REZ TO SAVE THE DAY ?!?! 😜 BET MID-RANGE TEXTURE IS FIRE ' CLIPPY CLAPS 👏
Loose the grafs, they add nothing without a ton of qualifiers. GR research’s grafs are bad enough stop just stop.