No love for Matteo Jorgenson? Jonas' best domestique, top 10 on GC, and almost a stage win... Too bad Visma didn't have Kuss. (Not saying Jonas would have won -- nothing would have stopped Tadej -- but could have been a lot more interesting.)
I think Visma and Astana should probably be switched. They obviously were focused on getting MC his record stage win but after that they didn’t have any success in sprints or even really got any riders in the breakaway. Low A or upper B tier. Visma, like expected, had Jonas in the top 2, had Mateo Jorgensen in the top 10 and just to add onto it, Wout Van Aert was in the top 3 on a couple sprints.
@@theperfecteraser5988They also lost a ton of riders to covid and injury. But they accomplished what they set out to do, which is the definition of average performance.
@@TheGotoGeek Well with that logic that means all the teams with no expectations should be in A or B tier because they did what everyone expected right? Of course not. Visma didn’t just accomplish any goal, they got top 2 in the tour in terms of individual AND team general classification without one of their top riders. I think that deserves an A tier no matter how high their expectations were
I see a lot of complaining/disagreement and I can understand it. The list, however, was not ranked unconditionally, but conditional on how each team was expected to perform. I think in that light the list makes a lot more sense
Yup it's totally compared to expectations. Arkea having never won a stage before makes their stage more impressive than a team that wins a stage every year
Last year they did the same thing, comparing performance to expectations. Visma was a very strong team this year and easily deserved A tier in my opinion.
I understand being hard on Visma but you didnt even mention Matteo Jorgenson. He was great and if he hadnt sacrificed riding hard for the team he could have top 5 this tour. Still got a top 10 as well.
Visma was A tier in my eyes. What they did on the gravel stage was amazing. They didn’t have Sepp Kuss for the mountains but Matteo performed really well in his place.
So many great stories from this years Tour de France…. A historic Giro/Tour double, first African green jersey winner, a historic 35 wins, retirements, a comeback, first Ecuadorian jersey winner… it’s great!
I agree with most of it. Maybe Visma and IPT one tier up. We quickly got used to Derek Gee being a GC rider but he came out of nowhere in last year‘s Giro. I don‘t think anybody expected this when he was signed.
With the logic you used for IPT, I think Bahrain Victorious could probably move up a tier, as they had a less popular rider in the top 10 as well. I could be wrong though.
I see the Astana and Total Energies on A, however I'd rank them in B. But whatever I mostly agree with your tierlist and reasoning. Sad that some teams lost their leaders bcs covid/injuries. Also congrats and thank you for your coverage of the Tour.
@@DrivingMaul and they didnt do anything but escort the sag wagon in the other 20 stages. I'd expected more presence in race from them. Looking at the last ITT results at least Tejada had legs to do way more in the other stages.
Looking at Astana's Tour more critically, they got the 35th win for Cavendish, which was their aim, but they didn't position him particularly well for pretty much any of the other sprints apart from Stage 5 where he got that win, and the one time they did put him in a decent position, on Stage 12, Cav ended up getting relegated from 5th place for deviating (which was a little contentious I think). But well, as a Cavendish fan, the one win was enough, though I'd have loved him to get more. While it was good that the win came early on it did mean that I was quite nervous for the rest of the race when it came to the mountain stages, hoping he'd beat the time limit and make it to Nice! Astana did execute their sheparding job in the mountains really well though, even though they cut it fine with the time limit on a few occasions and lost half of their riders, and Tejada was involved in several of the breakaways as well. I think I'd probably give them a B. If Cav had been more competitive in the sprints/set up for them better then I'd perhaps up it to an A. But at the same time, the one time he was put in prime position for a sprint finish he delivered, and he had to work for it too, having to find the space amongst the other sprinters!
Benji. I started listening these past few weeks. Your analysis is spot on. 👍 I like how you ranked each team by their TDF 2024 performance and not by the riders' past perfornances/reputations. "subscribed"
I would have ranked Visma an A for Jonas, but B for the team. I agree, they should have played a different strategy with the sprint stages. I think missing Sepp Kuss due to illness really hurt them in the mountains. Having Wout, Sepp, and Matteo pulling would have helped Jonas a bit more.
Looks like it's hard to get a C grade. I think you have been kind on Visma, they are here to get the yellow jersey and they didn't so it's a C for me. UnoX and DSM might even be As for me. I think mentioning that it was the first ever Tour wins for Arkea and Intermarche is important when thinking about how well they did.
Israel also strong with Ackermann in a few sprints.. thought he got his mojo back... but soo close.. and the excellent leadout for cav! Extrapoints for him
idk i dont feel like visma in b is justified. sure a van aert stage win would have been nice, but in no way could they be expected to win the tdf considering the difference in Vingegaards and pogacars preparation and also no kuss, van baarle and kruiswijk, Vingegaard/van aert crash etc. Jonas stage win and the second place in gc are pretty impressive considering all that happened before. i really think this is too harsh. Otherwise i mostly agree, good tierlist. Keep it up Benji ✌
I agree B tier is somewhat harsh. At least Jonas got that stage win (ontop of P2 GC, but a podium was kind of expected otherwise he wouldn't have started). But the rest of the team did very little. Jorgensen was decent in week 3, but not amazing compared to the other premium helpers like Almeida or Landa. Wout was not too far of in the sprints, but it felt like he didn't try to force a victory like EF did. The rest of the team did pretty much nothing. I expected more from Laporte and others. Like, when a GC team controlled the race, it was UAE doing it. Didn't feel like they did much all tour.
Yes, Benji, I can live with your list. UAE was on a class of It's own. I am glad you mentioned Almeida. Working for Tadje while securing a very good spot in the general classification. He's definitely capable of winning a GC. That's when he does not have to work and gets support. Now Landa is a bit the same story. Working for Remco and being excellent as a climber. He's riding The Vuelta to win it. Jonas was riding very well, especially if you consider his injuries. He did not have the preparation he needed. His team was good, but certainly not as good as in the past éditions of the TDF. So I believe if Jonas stays healthy and gets a better preparation and Sepp is there, he could challenge Pogi again in the next TDF. Remco proofed he can be consistent in GC's. He said (he was also coming back from injuries), he needs more specific trainings in mountain stages, losing weight to close the gap on Jonas and Pogi. He's pretty sure he's capable of it.
„Vlasov and Hindley kind of underperformed…“. Wouldn’t even argue with it if you mentioned Vlasov went out after stage 9. Didn’t look like he would’ve taken the tour in storm but honestly we can’t tell. Generally informative and nice video though. Thank you! 🙌
I think Bora had a lot of bad luck. Vlasov was solid in this spring. Maybe could have top 10 himself (and compete with the other helpers like Almeida, Landa, Jorgensen).
@@andreasabels589 yeah I forgot he was actually (didn’t recheck it but Denk said so in the last Pod) 10th overall when he had to exit the race. But I don’t recall him and the others doing a good job protecting Roglic, which I mostly put on lacking form.
@@mmmbass6068 from an interview or so? I think he said himself after his first breakout where Pogi & the Monstars got him that things went well but that it was annoying that he didn’t have the legs right now. He also showed great courage by staying active and being in breakouts. I think he just didn’t have the form, which again might be because him being sick a couple of times during the year (Denk said so in the pod).
Thanks Benji, great review. Your teams ranking is something that I always look forward to! My take: 1) Arkea with an A, it seems wrong to rate them that high, however, as you noted, given their grand tour performances over the past few events the fact that they were not "S" is notable, 2) you were generous in not giving Decathlon an "S" ranking, 3) on Visma I believe that they deserved an "A". With the state of the team coming into the TdF, the fact that Jonas as a solid 2nd (given his challenges) and the fact that Mateo was a notable star and confirmed his amazing season, they deserved an "A". By the way, the fact that you did not even mention Mateo for Visma means that us Americans are justified in throwing some shade your way, 4) it pains me to say that Ineos probably deserved an "S" given the team they brought, their potential and their team budget, 5) Astana deserves the "A" because they had one goal and they met the goal under extreme pressure.
I have my issues with the list, but at the end of the day you could argue a 1000 possibilities. It was an entertaining Tour and all of the teams contributed to its success. I really can’t wait for Visma-LAB to be at the level we’re used to next year. They had quite possibly everything go wrong for them in the lead up to the TDF this year and still exit with a stage win and 2nd and 8th in GC.
Probably would have placed Visma on A tier for the team taking the fight to Pogi and UAE. It didn't work out but the effort from day one was great. Especially Matteo's performance. Totally agree with Intermarche and Bini; arguably a bigger story/inspiration for cycling worldwide than the Giro/Tour double.
i agree with the whole table! all the rankings. And thank you for mentioning, as a Belgian, that weird "Wout must win a stage" strategy, esp where they should have favored Laporte
It's only team-by-team stuff like this that makes me realise just how many teams are actually in the Tour. Like cos in any given stage there's only ever like 6 teams or so influencing the result then I forget that there's like 20 or whatever
Really interesting take. I ranked all teams from 5* to 1* and it didn't differ too much. Mine was on expectation v reality so IPT and TBV performed well below previous expectations. No stage wins for IPT and Williams mostly anonymous, and would've hoped TBV coming out with at least one stage from Mohoric or Wright.
Agree with most of this! I'd probably put Movi in C, I think they did okay and were attacking a lot and decent in breaks. Also surprisingly got 3 top 5's with Gaviria. I'd put DSM in A. Stagewin+yellow from a team I expected nothing of means A for me.
UNO-X Mobility was A-tier. They are Pro-Tour and have made this tour something to watch. Alex and Magnus under performed but the others have done more than expected of them. A single stage win and Abrahamsen's performance would qualify for S-tier.
Visma had poor strategies when they went for stage victories, however i think they were flawless when it came to protecting Jonas, considering they didn't have Kuss. ❤ your tierlists, keep em coming!!!
Good tier list. Takes into account the realistic expectations for teams and subjective assessment will always slightly vary. But nothing far off imo. So solid take!
As a decathlon Ag2r supporter, DNS does them the most justice. I wish they actually had DNS with the performance they put up. I really expected Felix Gall to fight for Top 5 this time.
Yes, I think I was expecting too much from their early and mid-season brilliance. I think they just burnt out. Same with FDJ, although their success has not reached such peaks.
Next time, could please let the board a little bit longe on screen? Especially at the end when you ask for our opinion. I would have loved to have the board displayed for the last seconds.
The order was UAE 1, UAE 2, Pogacar, UAE 3, UAE 4, UAE 5, UAE 6, Quick-Step 1, Israel 1, Uno-X 1, Roglic. 11 rows down. 8 positions behind Pogačar, who was in a safe position. Roglič' position was shit.
Benji loving your takes and Watt Police who are noting alongside Nero show how your getting under JB’s skin. Hard to disagree with your take. The shocker is given how promisingly their season started Decathlon on their Van Rysel bikes had a shocker. Hot suggestion😂: You and Patrick go help Remco (at Redbull 😮 - once the budget of £56million is realised) take on the mighty Tadej in future years… Remco does need to find 0.3w/kg but given his prep this year - that is possible. It’d help if ASO plan a route with 70km of flat TT. That’d be an excellent proposition for Broe to mastermind a Remco strategy. Also may need to hope someone at UAE doesn’t notice they can improve Tadej ‘s TT position (if his head lowers by 6-7cm he’s beating Remco on TT 1 this year) then we’ll see the first Belgian tour winner in several generations. He does have the ability!!!
And most combative for the Tour, although there’s a strong argument for Abrahamson. I think Richie spraying that annoying spectator is what put him over the top in that category.
Why take (out of from?) Jakobsen to the tour? He might be a decent sprinter, but if you drop in half the sprint stages because there is 500m at 4%, you might as well stay home.
I heavy disagree on Visma should be in A they had a stage win and 2nd in GC. Trek should be in B, they fought hard all the way thru the tour and was very visible. Intermache should be and A cause they didn’t do anything else then winning 3 stages. And was very invincible on the flat stages until the end on the stage. Bora should be in DNF cause they were never there. Could argue for Jayce Alula to be an A tier they did amazing this tour. Total energies should only be a B cause they were barely fighting for wins only on stage 18 where they got 2nd and Craz doing well after that crash.
I'd switch Visma and EF. EF overperformed for a team of their caliber, Visma underperformed - I know Jonas had a crash but still, there were some strong people in the team they could have used for breakaways and give them more freedoom for stage wins.
A few things I would change: Move Decathlon into D tier - Just doesn't feel right to have them in the same tier as Groupama, bc at least they were active in GC and their breakaways went farther than groupama's Trek into C tier - I think it's clear to everyone that Pedersen would have performed if he didn't crash out; they were on great form in first week with him. Also, Bernard being active and going for win is a plus. Ciccone did much better in GC than I imagined, too. Bahrain down to D - After three stage wins in last year's tour, and relatively little camera time for Buitrago, this performance is completely disappointing. Totally sad about sickness, but that is part of how a team manages the TdF also. Arkea down to B - Phenomenal stage win, good work from Christian Rodriguez, but basically invisible after that. Tough to be that invisible after only Day 2, in my opinion. Alpecin - Good number of stage wins, no complaints there. But it was the delay of those wins and the lack of control from the team that feels like a let down compared to normal levels. Everybody was asking a lot of questions about Philipsen and the squad when they didnt get a stage win until Week 2. Also coming off of incredible control throughout the classics season, the team's performance noticeably lacked that cutting edge
Visma getting 2 place in GC and a stage win should give them the same level as SoudalQS based on their 3rd place and stage win. Also Astana, Arkea and TE being at A level is too high compared to Visma being in B. You seem to be giving the smaller teams a higher score just because they don't have the budget.
Ofcourse I give teams with smaller budgets a better score for lesser results. TotalEnergies winning a stage at the Tour is bigger for that team and their sponsor than Jonas getting a GC podium for Visma. Results relative to expectations.
I agree with Visma. They were a shadow of their last year performance as a team. Nothing except for Jonas, basically. UAE crushed them this year. I hope next year Visma and UAE are matched, and Jonas can fight properly with Pogi.
Way too early to already call Pogacar the best GC rider ever imo. His career trajectory definitely suggests he might get there one day, but right now Merckx and Hinault rank higher in my book
Astana A-tier, really?! Yeah they got a stage win but most of the team would be out of the Tour if they hadn't lengthened the time limit in 2 stages! And Visma not A, they did the same as Soudal, sorry Benji but this list is not consistent at all!
Tier list is relative to expectations. If you expected more than a possible stage victory for Astana, that's an unrealistic expectation. They're literally the worst team in WorldTour. Visma-LAB came here to win the Tour de France and Quick-Step to podium it. Saying their outcome is the same relative to expectations is just wrong.
And EF above DSM, also a weird one. They had similar tours I'd say. Vd Berg wasn't way better than Jakobsen in sprints, both one stage and yellow jersey and a lot of break action. Onley was quite active as well.
@@BenjiNaesenTVit is good for people who know a lot about cycling, these people who commented don’t really understand this and astana is so ass that even a stage they would be seccond in they would party like they won. great list Benji!
@@BenjiNaesenTVfair enough, already forgot about that one that's how much I care about it 😂. I will still put them on the same tier myself because I expect less from DSM
Who actually thought UAE wasn't going to dominate? If this is conditional then UAE just did what you'd expect, huge budget, best gc rider in the world, healthy. I don't know. The saving grace of this tdf was all the other great stories, the gc was a foregone conclusion.
As to Red Bull Bora, perhaps Benji should address the rumor that Remco will lead them next year? As to the sweet hagiography of UAE and in particular the comment that Pog was climbing better than even pure climbers, maybe Benji has forgotten that when the 2024 parcour was unveiled in Sept 2023 their was a universal sentiment among cycling journo’s that it was designed to favor Pog and Remco over Jonas and Primoz in that it was hard but had no sustained big mountain climbs - talking here about climbs >12-15 km and an average gradient of >10%. It’s this sort of climb that Jonas can make Tadej go into the red and even bonk. Compare with the last climb of this year’s Queen stage which was 12km at a consistent 8% - perfectly suits Tadej over Jonas esp as at 8% Tadej still has the ability for his trademark explosive attacks. On paper this climb should also have suited Remco but he could not make it work on the day.
"when the 2024 parcour was unveiled in Sept 2023 their was a universal sentiment among cycling journo’s that it was designed to favor Pog and Remco over Jonas and Primoz" "had no sustained big mountain climbs" That's not correct. Majority of cycling journalists said it fitted Vingegaard better because it had long-effort mountains. "talking here about climbs >12-15 km and an average gradient of >10%" Jonas won the Tour de France last year and there were 0 climbs like that. Jonas won the Tour de France in 2022 and there were 0 climbs oike that. 12-15 KM climbs of >10% are extremely rare in this sport and mostly seen at the Vuelta.
@@BenjiNaesenTVThanks for replying - in an interview Jonas remarked that to beat Pog he needed a long and steep climb and that there was none on this year’s route
I am a big Ineos fan..... but D is still generous!... too many individuals lacking fitness or motivation (to ride for the team) (Pidcock, Bernal & G) and too much pressure to put on C.Rod... Should of come out early and said 'this year around stage wins not GC'... and hope they get some proper GC leaders for 2025..
The fact you put Visma B tier is very laughable being they were a team that didn't even have their best at their best and they had to two riders in the top 10. With the team itself coming in 2nd in the team category. They had the same amount of wins as Soudal Quick Step and they came in 3rd in team and 3rd in GC. But A tier for them. And Ineos should have been DNS tier being their budget is inline with UAE and Visma with nothing to show for it.
Idk what some of the teams were thinking, the sprint stages were so boring. Half of the pelton to scared to join a break and hoping for a top 15 with their sprinter, if girmay, philipsen, gronewegen, de lie is not in your team stop chasing holy shit.
A stage victory at the Tour de France secures years of sponsorships for a team like Total & Arkea. Relative to expectations, this is a goldmine for them.
@@BenjiNaesenTV Totally agree, but still I wouldn't place them on the same level. No one expected Landa to be 5th, Remco to be this stable and climb this good for 3 whole weeks. Also Hirt was pretty good. I'd put Soudal atleast one tier above Total & Arkea
DECATHLON - AG2R promised so much in the beginning of the year, but, this TDF they become their real selves. W«The rider selection was awful, who keeps getting Sam Bennet contracts should never be on the world tour again! I don't think leaving your best riders at home is a great thing!
· 5 teams deserve to be S-tier: UAE and Intermarche but also Quickstep, Visma and Alpecin --- All of the new ones completed their main objective very well (Alpecin got a few wins, Quickstep got a podium and Visma was the main GC threat) · EF and Total did their thing nicely enough, A-tier · Uno-X deserves A-tier = They grew smaller and smaller over the days but that was their gameplan, it reminded me of how small F1 teams would often send guys on a suicide mission (the car would always fail) just to be on TV but that's not a horrible plan. · Arkea and Astana should be B-tier = They both appeared for 2 days and a half. Astana had horrible planning and almost lost Cavenidsh like thrice while Arkea bet everything on Vauquelin to the point they wasted Cristian Rodríguez, who could've gotten them a lot of UCI points by being top15 or better in the GC. · Movistar deserves B-tier = Lazkano, Romo and Aranburu showed up on TV a ton. Everyone knew Mas was gonna be shit so they decided to be on TV and have fun and they did. They'll probably make a lot of money by selling those 3 talents. · DSM, Jayco and Israel did their thing in a mediocre way so B-tier · Lotto should be dropped to C-tier = de Lie and van Gils were both shit while Campenaerts worked in 2 out of 21 days · Bahrain's only reason for C-tier is Buitrago = Bilbao sucked, Bauhaus sucked, Haig sucked, Mohoric sucked, Poels sucked... · Lidl-Trek's only reason for C-tier is Ciccone (and only because he was in the Giro) · Cofidis was borderline F-tier = If you eliminate Martin, they were F-tier without a doubt (awful selection, no performance) · Ineos was borderline F-tier = If you eliminate Carlitos, they were F-tier without a doubt (really bad selection, no performance) · I DON'T BELIEVE IN D-TIER · 3 teams deserve F-tier = FDJ and AG2R didn't do shit... and neither did Bora and I know they were more unlucky than stupid but still didn't do ANYTHING with the remaining guys
Too many easy As. And only one C. Even if you allow a little grade inflation, most grades should be a B or C. Half of the teams get an A. And, maybe too many D and DNS. Total Energies got a stage win, an excellent stage win. But, that does not earn them an A. Maybe a high B. DSM getting the same grade, when they put Bardet in yellow - for a day. Lotto also got a nice win, but not as nice as DSM or Total Energies. Still, these are B+ to C teams, as is Astana. Astana's one win got huge attention, but otherwise bupkiss. Generally, I agree with a lot of order, just not where they are bunched up. Those As are really not near the results that were obtained by your two top teams. And, I question the rating for Intermarche. They won green, three stages, got lots of press, all they could've hoped for, so, A+ UAE won GC, put 3 riders in the top ten, six stages, everything they could have wished for but polka dots, and the polka dots UAE gave away because the smart tactics were not to follow Carapaz. Tough to rate teams with bad luck as poorly as teams that just did not perform. Bad luck teams include Ineos and Red Bull - Bora, but keeping out of crashes and staying healthy is part of racing the Tour. So, both get lower marks because of they lost riders due to health issues. I would rate Movistar higher than either, because Mas was still trying until the end of Stage 20. But, Movistar is still a C-minus to D team.
Very much agree with this tier list buuuuuut.... that may be because I'm completely brainwashed from watching 30 hours of post race recap podcasts by the same dude
I dont understand how you rank. One time, Alpecin doesnt reach their goals in the Tour, you rank them A. Other time, Cofidis reach their goal and you rank them D. When Moviestar have good riders and reached none of their goals, becomes also D tier. if they dont have good riders here, how can they become A or S tier? Alpecin underperformed massive while doesnt even been unfortune due to illness or crashes, thats B or C, but never A on my watch.
In what way did Cofidis achieve their goal? They had 2 stage victories last year and now they got absolutely nothing except a P3 in points classification. 😅
@@BenjiNaesenTV Their goal wasnt more than P3 in points, how should they win it? Are you telling me, that Coquard is better than Phillipsen or Girmay? he is not even a top5 sprinter. A stagewin would be good, but they overperformed last year, your words, and they arent expected to do it every year. Alpecin won 5 stages and green, on that logic, they must be D tier cause they didnt get both. I would say, both teams are B or C.
@@edwardforrest5114 right, less than last year, and no green. So they did less than expected, thats why he ranked cofidis so low. Thats what i dont understand.
Intermarché’s budget is 20% of Visma’s, and came with the ambition of winning 1 stage. They won 3 + Green. Obviously that’s better relative to expectations than a super team coming to win the Tour de France and not achieving that.
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Did a shot for every time Benji blinks in this video (i’m stone cold sober)
Loll
@@loanqypol6797 ah that's the the thing that was unsettling me about his gaze, lol thanks
It’s an illusion. Benji blinks at 30 fps.
I wish I read the comments after watching the video 😅
Haha. I actually saw some blinks, but not many
No love for Matteo Jorgenson? Jonas' best domestique, top 10 on GC, and almost a stage win... Too bad Visma didn't have Kuss. (Not saying Jonas would have won -- nothing would have stopped Tadej -- but could have been a lot more interesting.)
GC Kuss!
Yes visma deserved a better Rankin here. It's the only one i don't agree with.
I think Visma and Astana should probably be switched. They obviously were focused on getting MC his record stage win but after that they didn’t have any success in sprints or even really got any riders in the breakaway. Low A or upper B tier.
Visma, like expected, had Jonas in the top 2, had Mateo Jorgensen in the top 10 and just to add onto it, Wout Van Aert was in the top 3 on a couple sprints.
@@theperfecteraser5988They also lost a ton of riders to covid and injury. But they accomplished what they set out to do, which is the definition of average performance.
@@TheGotoGeek Well with that logic that means all the teams with no expectations should be in A or B tier because they did what everyone expected right? Of course not. Visma didn’t just accomplish any goal, they got top 2 in the tour in terms of individual AND team general classification without one of their top riders. I think that deserves an A tier no matter how high their expectations were
I see a lot of complaining/disagreement and I can understand it. The list, however, was not ranked unconditionally, but conditional on how each team was expected to perform. I think in that light the list makes a lot more sense
Yup it's totally compared to expectations. Arkea having never won a stage before makes their stage more impressive than a team that wins a stage every year
Last year they did the same thing, comparing performance to expectations. Visma was a very strong team this year and easily deserved A tier in my opinion.
@@brunokrause Visma are here for Yellow and they didn't get that so it's a fail from me
I understand being hard on Visma but you didnt even mention Matteo Jorgenson. He was great and if he hadnt sacrificed riding hard for the team he could have top 5 this tour. Still got a top 10 as well.
Visma was A tier in my eyes. What they did on the gravel stage was amazing. They didn’t have Sepp Kuss for the mountains but Matteo performed really well in his place.
Missing Matteo in the analysis was big. A-tier considering the year they've had.
Benji is salty against Visma since he left. For sure something happened.
So many great stories from this years Tour de France…. A historic Giro/Tour double, first African green jersey winner, a historic 35 wins, retirements, a comeback, first Ecuadorian jersey winner… it’s great!
Also first ever stage wins for Arkea and Intermarche
💯. Best Tour in years.
@@TheGotoGeek I've really enjoyed both the Giro and Tour this year. It's not all about GC
Richard Carapaz saved EF's tour de France. Deserves all the credit
The team did a lot of work to make that happen!
I agree with most of it. Maybe Visma and IPT one tier up. We quickly got used to Derek Gee being a GC rider but he came out of nowhere in last year‘s Giro. I don‘t think anybody expected this when he was signed.
Came from track racing.
With the logic you used for IPT, I think Bahrain Victorious could probably move up a tier, as they had a less popular rider in the top 10 as well. I could be wrong though.
@@theperfecteraser5988 Yes, maybe. But I didn‘t see much of Mohorič for example. I hoped he would show an almighty solo on the gravel stage.
I see the Astana and Total Energies on A, however I'd rank them in B. But whatever I mostly agree with your tierlist and reasoning. Sad that some teams lost their leaders bcs covid/injuries.
Also congrats and thank you for your coverage of the Tour.
Astana reached their season goal with that stage win, that make or breaks their season
@@DrivingMaul and they didnt do anything but escort the sag wagon in the other 20 stages. I'd expected more presence in race from them. Looking at the last ITT results at least Tejada had legs to do way more in the other stages.
No way Astana A, despite the win for Cav
@@DrivingMaul If 1 stage win means A, almost every team should be in A
@@yyoksetioxd I get they didn't do anything else but that's probably because so much mentally was put into that win over the last 12 months
Intermarche and UAE at the top? Benji, you're a unbiased genius!
Looking at Astana's Tour more critically, they got the 35th win for Cavendish, which was their aim, but they didn't position him particularly well for pretty much any of the other sprints apart from Stage 5 where he got that win, and the one time they did put him in a decent position, on Stage 12, Cav ended up getting relegated from 5th place for deviating (which was a little contentious I think). But well, as a Cavendish fan, the one win was enough, though I'd have loved him to get more. While it was good that the win came early on it did mean that I was quite nervous for the rest of the race when it came to the mountain stages, hoping he'd beat the time limit and make it to Nice! Astana did execute their sheparding job in the mountains really well though, even though they cut it fine with the time limit on a few occasions and lost half of their riders, and Tejada was involved in several of the breakaways as well. I think I'd probably give them a B. If Cav had been more competitive in the sprints/set up for them better then I'd perhaps up it to an A. But at the same time, the one time he was put in prime position for a sprint finish he delivered, and he had to work for it too, having to find the space amongst the other sprinters!
Benji. I started listening these past few weeks. Your analysis is spot on. 👍 I like how you ranked each team by their TDF 2024 performance and not by the riders' past perfornances/reputations. "subscribed"
I would have ranked Visma an A for Jonas, but B for the team. I agree, they should have played a different strategy with the sprint stages. I think missing Sepp Kuss due to illness really hurt them in the mountains. Having Wout, Sepp, and Matteo pulling would have helped Jonas a bit more.
Hi Benji, getting into cycling for an year now. Great to discover your channel and the Lanterne Rouge Podcast!
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Damn, Cav won his 36th?! I missed that
Was waiting for someone to notice. 😂
Pogačar spreading fake news
Benji ain't Wrong about 36th you know... He just quoted Pogi during his Thank You / Closing speech at the end of TDF 🤣
Looks like it's hard to get a C grade. I think you have been kind on Visma, they are here to get the yellow jersey and they didn't so it's a C for me.
UnoX and DSM might even be As for me.
I think mentioning that it was the first ever Tour wins for Arkea and Intermarche is important when thinking about how well they did.
Good list, sounds about right, except 1:57 . Hot take Decathlon moved up to “B” for bringing beautiful Van Rysel FCR and colourway.
@Benji, I got emotional when you said that Almeida can win a GT...big LIKE from me. Keep up the great work.
Israel also strong with Ackermann in a few sprints.. thought he got his mojo back... but soo close.. and the excellent leadout for cav! Extrapoints for him
Ackermann could actually be a weapon in classics if he keeps his form
idk i dont feel like visma in b is justified. sure a van aert stage win would have been nice, but in no way could they be expected to win the tdf considering the difference in Vingegaards and pogacars preparation and also no kuss, van baarle and kruiswijk, Vingegaard/van aert crash etc. Jonas stage win and the second place in gc are pretty impressive considering all that happened before. i really think this is too harsh. Otherwise i mostly agree, good tierlist. Keep it up Benji ✌
I agree B tier is somewhat harsh. At least Jonas got that stage win (ontop of P2 GC, but a podium was kind of expected otherwise he wouldn't have started). But the rest of the team did very little. Jorgensen was decent in week 3, but not amazing compared to the other premium helpers like Almeida or Landa. Wout was not too far of in the sprints, but it felt like he didn't try to force a victory like EF did. The rest of the team did pretty much nothing. I expected more from Laporte and others.
Like, when a GC team controlled the race, it was UAE doing it. Didn't feel like they did much all tour.
Yes, Benji, I can live with your list. UAE was on a class of
It's own. I am glad you mentioned Almeida. Working for Tadje while securing a very good spot in the general classification. He's definitely capable of winning a GC. That's when he does not have to work and gets support. Now Landa is a bit the same story. Working for Remco and being excellent as a climber. He's riding The Vuelta to win it. Jonas was riding very well, especially if you consider his injuries. He did not have the preparation he needed. His team was good, but certainly not as good as in the past éditions of the TDF. So I believe if Jonas stays healthy and gets a better preparation and Sepp is there, he could challenge Pogi again in the next TDF. Remco proofed he can be consistent in GC's. He said (he was also coming back from injuries), he needs more specific trainings in mountain stages, losing weight to close the gap on Jonas and Pogi. He's pretty sure he's capable of it.
11:21 the pogi influence is crazy
"Bahrain not so victorious" 😂😂
I personally would have put more teams into C tier, the likes of DSM or Lotto with only a single stage win
„Vlasov and Hindley kind of underperformed…“. Wouldn’t even argue with it if you mentioned Vlasov went out after stage 9. Didn’t look like he would’ve taken the tour in storm but honestly we can’t tell.
Generally informative and nice video though. Thank you! 🙌
I think Bora had a lot of bad luck. Vlasov was solid in this spring. Maybe could have top 10 himself (and compete with the other helpers like Almeida, Landa, Jorgensen).
I get the feeling that Hindley is not a happy camper
@@andreasabels589 yeah I forgot he was actually (didn’t recheck it but Denk said so in the last Pod) 10th overall when he had to exit the race. But I don’t recall him and the others doing a good job protecting Roglic, which I mostly put on lacking form.
@@mmmbass6068 from an interview or so? I think he said himself after his first breakout where Pogi & the Monstars got him that things went well but that it was annoying that he didn’t have the legs right now. He also showed great courage by staying active and being in breakouts. I think he just didn’t have the form, which again might be because him being sick a couple of times during the year (Denk said so in the pod).
@@rolurios from the interviews I saw, he just seemed on a bit of a downer. I could be wrong, but that’s the vibe I got.
Thanks Benji, great review. Your teams ranking is something that I always look forward to! My take: 1) Arkea with an A, it seems wrong to rate them that high, however, as you noted, given their grand tour performances over the past few events the fact that they were not "S" is notable, 2) you were generous in not giving Decathlon an "S" ranking, 3) on Visma I believe that they deserved an "A". With the state of the team coming into the TdF, the fact that Jonas as a solid 2nd (given his challenges) and the fact that Mateo was a notable star and confirmed his amazing season, they deserved an "A". By the way, the fact that you did not even mention Mateo for Visma means that us Americans are justified in throwing some shade your way, 4) it pains me to say that Ineos probably deserved an "S" given the team they brought, their potential and their team budget, 5) Astana deserves the "A" because they had one goal and they met the goal under extreme pressure.
I have my issues with the list, but at the end of the day you could argue a 1000 possibilities. It was an entertaining Tour and all of the teams contributed to its success.
I really can’t wait for Visma-LAB to be at the level we’re used to next year. They had quite possibly everything go wrong for them in the lead up to the TDF this year and still exit with a stage win and 2nd and 8th in GC.
Benji is such a Visma hater. No love for Jorgenson? B tier despite a massive comeback and achievement for Jonas? Tier list dismissed.
keep crying 🤣
Probably would have placed Visma on A tier for the team taking the fight to Pogi and UAE. It didn't work out but the effort from day one was great. Especially Matteo's performance. Totally agree with Intermarche and Bini; arguably a bigger story/inspiration for cycling worldwide than the Giro/Tour double.
i agree with the whole table! all the rankings. And thank you for mentioning, as a Belgian, that weird "Wout must win a stage" strategy, esp where they should have favored Laporte
Ef deserves a tier for carapace mountain classification
It's only team-by-team stuff like this that makes me realise just how many teams are actually in the Tour. Like cos in any given stage there's only ever like 6 teams or so influencing the result then I forget that there's like 20 or whatever
Really interesting take. I ranked all teams from 5* to 1* and it didn't differ too much. Mine was on expectation v reality so IPT and TBV performed well below previous expectations. No stage wins for IPT and Williams mostly anonymous, and would've hoped TBV coming out with at least one stage from Mohoric or Wright.
3:45 and Jordan Jegat surprised me (in a good way) had to bet which place he would be I guesses around 44th cause first Tour but 28th! one to watch
Thanks Benji, that must have taken quite a bit of time to put it together so seamlessly
Agree with most of this! I'd probably put Movi in C, I think they did okay and were attacking a lot and decent in breaks. Also surprisingly got 3 top 5's with Gaviria. I'd put DSM in A. Stagewin+yellow from a team I expected nothing of means A for me.
UNO-X Mobility was A-tier. They are Pro-Tour and have made this tour something to watch. Alex and Magnus under performed but the others have done more than expected of them. A single stage win and Abrahamsen's performance would qualify for S-tier.
A-tier?? S-tier at least. Especially if we’re talking about expectations to actual performance
You didnt mention mountains jersey for carapaz, with that included I think you could argue it was an S tier tour for them.
That KOM jersey is the reason they are in A.
Visma had poor strategies when they went for stage victories, however i think they were flawless when it came to protecting Jonas, considering they didn't have Kuss.
❤ your tierlists, keep em coming!!!
Good tier list. Takes into account the realistic expectations for teams and subjective assessment will always slightly vary. But nothing far off imo. So solid take!
As a decathlon Ag2r supporter, DNS does them the most justice. I wish they actually had DNS with the performance they put up.
I really expected Felix Gall to fight for Top 5 this time.
Felix was coming a bit into form in week 2 but fully cracked in week 3. I hope he can find his level next year again.
Yes, I think I was expecting too much from their early and mid-season brilliance. I think they just burnt out. Same with FDJ, although their success has not reached such peaks.
They had looked good elsewhere.
Just finished LRC podcast now time for this 🤩
Next time, could please let the board a little bit longe on screen? Especially at the end when you ask for our opinion. I would have loved to have the board displayed for the last seconds.
Roglic had a good position right when the crash happend, right behind UAE which was Solid in my opinion.
The order was UAE 1, UAE 2, Pogacar, UAE 3, UAE 4, UAE 5, UAE 6, Quick-Step 1, Israel 1, Uno-X 1, Roglic.
11 rows down. 8 positions behind Pogačar, who was in a safe position. Roglič' position was shit.
Love your energy and coverage quality man, keep it up and I'm hyping your Vuelta stuff!
EF education actually also took Kom Jersey and most combative with Carapaz
Pretty much agree except I would say Visma A tier and maybe Cofidis DNS
Bora should've bring jordi to the tour for sprint stages......i mean he can win race they would've got a stage win in my opinion
Benji loving your takes and Watt Police who are noting alongside Nero show how your getting under JB’s skin. Hard to disagree with your take. The shocker is given how promisingly their season started Decathlon on their Van Rysel bikes had a shocker.
Hot suggestion😂: You and Patrick go help Remco (at Redbull 😮 - once the budget of £56million is realised) take on the mighty Tadej in future years… Remco does need to find 0.3w/kg but given his prep this year - that is possible. It’d help if ASO plan a route with 70km of flat TT. That’d be an excellent proposition for Broe to mastermind a Remco strategy. Also may need to hope someone at UAE doesn’t notice they can improve Tadej ‘s TT position (if his head lowers by 6-7cm he’s beating Remco on TT 1 this year) then we’ll see the first Belgian tour winner in several generations. He does have the ability!!!
Hope you gave it tight to Patrick for Visma Labs strategy throughout the TDF :D
8:00 maybe it’s more a Bardet-VDB duo than a team
He didn't even mention EF winning pocadots with carapaz
And most combative for the Tour, although there’s a strong argument for Abrahamson. I think Richie spraying that annoying spectator is what put him over the top in that category.
Great content, super to listen. Diff to watch though ;) Please do sth with those cuts/zoomins/outs.
we need an even lower tier for Ineos, they're a waste of everyone's time 😂
Why take (out of from?) Jakobsen to the tour? He might be a decent sprinter, but if you drop in half the sprint stages because there is 500m at 4%, you might as well stay home.
Please also make a tier list after the Tour de France Femmes😊
Benji when is the next career mode video coming out?
Im having withdrawals :/
I'm editing it right now, so in the next 2 days.
@@BenjiNaesenTV Great!
So glad to have you back again mate.
Wish you the very best in life
Idk, i would put UnoX and visma higher. Arkea and Jayco lower. But decent Tier list! Well done
I heavy disagree on Visma should be in A they had a stage win and 2nd in GC.
Trek should be in B, they fought hard all the way thru the tour and was very visible.
Intermache should be and A cause they didn’t do anything else then winning 3 stages. And was very invincible on the flat stages until the end on the stage.
Bora should be in DNF cause they were never there.
Could argue for Jayce Alula to be an A tier they did amazing this tour.
Total energies should only be a B cause they were barely fighting for wins only on stage 18 where they got 2nd and Craz doing well after that crash.
Isreal PT is a C for me - no stage win even if 9th place in GC is fairly good
I'd switch Visma and EF. EF overperformed for a team of their caliber, Visma underperformed - I know Jonas had a crash but still, there were some strong people in the team they could have used for breakaways and give them more freedoom for stage wins.
Ghirmay is a Legend
A few things I would change:
Move Decathlon into D tier - Just doesn't feel right to have them in the same tier as Groupama, bc at least they were active in GC and their breakaways went farther than groupama's
Trek into C tier - I think it's clear to everyone that Pedersen would have performed if he didn't crash out; they were on great form in first week with him. Also, Bernard being active and going for win is a plus. Ciccone did much better in GC than I imagined, too.
Bahrain down to D - After three stage wins in last year's tour, and relatively little camera time for Buitrago, this performance is completely disappointing. Totally sad about sickness, but that is part of how a team manages the TdF also.
Arkea down to B - Phenomenal stage win, good work from Christian Rodriguez, but basically invisible after that. Tough to be that invisible after only Day 2, in my opinion.
Alpecin - Good number of stage wins, no complaints there. But it was the delay of those wins and the lack of control from the team that feels like a let down compared to normal levels. Everybody was asking a lot of questions about Philipsen and the squad when they didnt get a stage win until Week 2. Also coming off of incredible control throughout the classics season, the team's performance noticeably lacked that cutting edge
Don’t forget Astana down to c tier for doing absolutely nothing except winning a stage
Visma getting 2 place in GC and a stage win should give them the same level as SoudalQS based on their 3rd place and stage win. Also Astana, Arkea and TE being at A level is too high compared to Visma being in B. You seem to be giving the smaller teams a higher score just because they don't have the budget.
Ofcourse I give teams with smaller budgets a better score for lesser results. TotalEnergies winning a stage at the Tour is bigger for that team and their sponsor than Jonas getting a GC podium for Visma. Results relative to expectations.
Tbh alpecin is A for mvp alone, they didnt show much except that one stage win when mvp didnt lead, for me the team as a whole has been B this year
I agree with Visma. They were a shadow of their last year performance as a team. Nothing except for Jonas, basically. UAE crushed them this year. I hope next year Visma and UAE are matched, and Jonas can fight properly with Pogi.
I would give UAE a C as they were not able to hold off Carapaz for the most coveted jersey.
EF is S Tier for me tbh
Way too early to already call Pogacar the best GC rider ever imo. His career trajectory definitely suggests he might get there one day, but right now Merckx and Hinault rank higher in my book
Astana A-tier, really?! Yeah they got a stage win but most of the team would be out of the Tour if they hadn't lengthened the time limit in 2 stages! And Visma not A, they did the same as Soudal, sorry Benji but this list is not consistent at all!
Tier list is relative to expectations. If you expected more than a possible stage victory for Astana, that's an unrealistic expectation. They're literally the worst team in WorldTour.
Visma-LAB came here to win the Tour de France and Quick-Step to podium it. Saying their outcome is the same relative to expectations is just wrong.
And EF above DSM, also a weird one. They had similar tours I'd say. Vd Berg wasn't way better than Jakobsen in sprints, both one stage and yellow jersey and a lot of break action. Onley was quite active as well.
@patrickschellen737 Carapaz won the KOM Jersey.
@@BenjiNaesenTVit is good for people who know a lot about cycling, these people who commented don’t really understand this and astana is so ass that even a stage they would be seccond in they would party like they won. great list Benji!
@@BenjiNaesenTVfair enough, already forgot about that one that's how much I care about it 😂. I will still put them on the same tier myself because I expect less from DSM
The best part of Redbull team pn this TdF was their beauty bike 😍
FDJ must change the manager and a lot of riders.
polka dot jersey?
EF is S teir just the polkadot jersey is above expected i think
Who actually thought UAE wasn't going to dominate? If this is conditional then UAE just did what you'd expect, huge budget, best gc rider in the world, healthy. I don't know. The saving grace of this tdf was all the other great stories, the gc was a foregone conclusion.
As to Red Bull Bora, perhaps Benji should address the rumor that Remco will lead them next year?
As to the sweet hagiography of UAE and in particular the comment that Pog was climbing better than even pure climbers, maybe Benji has forgotten that when the 2024 parcour was unveiled in Sept 2023 their was a universal sentiment among cycling journo’s that it was designed to favor Pog and Remco over Jonas and Primoz in that it was hard but had no sustained big mountain climbs - talking here about climbs >12-15 km and an average gradient of >10%. It’s this sort of climb that Jonas can make Tadej go into the red and even bonk.
Compare with the last climb of this year’s Queen stage which was 12km at a consistent 8% - perfectly suits Tadej over Jonas esp as at 8% Tadej still has the ability for his trademark explosive attacks. On paper this climb should also have suited Remco but he could not make it work on the day.
"when the 2024 parcour was unveiled in Sept 2023 their was a universal sentiment among cycling journo’s that it was designed to favor Pog and Remco over Jonas and Primoz" "had no sustained big mountain climbs"
That's not correct. Majority of cycling journalists said it fitted Vingegaard better because it had long-effort mountains.
"talking here about climbs >12-15 km and an average gradient of >10%"
Jonas won the Tour de France last year and there were 0 climbs like that.
Jonas won the Tour de France in 2022 and there were 0 climbs oike that.
12-15 KM climbs of >10% are extremely rare in this sport and mostly seen at the Vuelta.
@@BenjiNaesenTVThanks for replying - in an interview Jonas remarked that to beat Pog he needed a long and steep climb and that there was none on this year’s route
Have you seen the cime de la Bonette climb? Ok it’s only a 6.9% avg gradient but it’s still 23 km long
@@Uncle_pepsi perfect for Pog and Remco
Bit hard on Decathlon, I think they earned D tier. And Lidl I'd have put in C.
I am a big Ineos fan..... but D is still generous!... too many individuals lacking fitness or motivation (to ride for the team) (Pidcock, Bernal & G) and too much pressure to put on C.Rod... Should of come out early and said 'this year around stage wins not GC'... and hope they get some proper GC leaders for 2025..
The fact you put Visma B tier is very laughable being they were a team that didn't even have their best at their best and they had to two riders in the top 10. With the team itself coming in 2nd in the team category.
They had the same amount of wins as Soudal Quick Step and they came in 3rd in team and 3rd in GC. But A tier for them.
And Ineos should have been DNS tier being their budget is inline with UAE and Visma with nothing to show for it.
There needs to be a UAE tier
There is a UAE Tour
Benji having a light on the drops of the bike in the background is really bothering me. That must be horrible to ride with.
That’s not a light. It’s a Zwift Controller.
Great list. Only thing I’d have done is drop Jayco a slot.
Idk what some of the teams were thinking, the sprint stages were so boring. Half of the pelton to scared to join a break and hoping for a top 15 with their sprinter, if girmay, philipsen, gronewegen, de lie is not in your team stop chasing holy shit.
Great List. And short.
You were too kind to Ineos.
Soudal Quickstep on A tier with TotalEnergies and Arkea is crazy 🤣
A stage victory at the Tour de France secures years of sponsorships for a team like Total & Arkea. Relative to expectations, this is a goldmine for them.
@@BenjiNaesenTV Totally agree, but still I wouldn't place them on the same level. No one expected Landa to be 5th, Remco to be this stable and climb this good for 3 whole weeks. Also Hirt was pretty good.
I'd put Soudal atleast one tier above Total & Arkea
@@BenjiNaesenTV Not really, a stage for arkea is far less then a dual (!) in the top 5 (on a grand tour... quiclstep right?)
DECATHLON - AG2R promised so much in the beginning of the year, but, this TDF they become their real selves. W«The rider selection was awful, who keeps getting Sam Bennet contracts should never be on the world tour again! I don't think leaving your best riders at home is a great thing!
· 5 teams deserve to be S-tier: UAE and Intermarche but also Quickstep, Visma and Alpecin --- All of the new ones completed their main objective very well (Alpecin got a few wins, Quickstep got a podium and Visma was the main GC threat)
· EF and Total did their thing nicely enough, A-tier
· Uno-X deserves A-tier = They grew smaller and smaller over the days but that was their gameplan, it reminded me of how small F1 teams would often send guys on a suicide mission (the car would always fail) just to be on TV but that's not a horrible plan.
· Arkea and Astana should be B-tier = They both appeared for 2 days and a half. Astana had horrible planning and almost lost Cavenidsh like thrice while Arkea bet everything on Vauquelin to the point they wasted Cristian Rodríguez, who could've gotten them a lot of UCI points by being top15 or better in the GC.
· Movistar deserves B-tier = Lazkano, Romo and Aranburu showed up on TV a ton. Everyone knew Mas was gonna be shit so they decided to be on TV and have fun and they did. They'll probably make a lot of money by selling those 3 talents.
· DSM, Jayco and Israel did their thing in a mediocre way so B-tier
· Lotto should be dropped to C-tier = de Lie and van Gils were both shit while Campenaerts worked in 2 out of 21 days
· Bahrain's only reason for C-tier is Buitrago = Bilbao sucked, Bauhaus sucked, Haig sucked, Mohoric sucked, Poels sucked...
· Lidl-Trek's only reason for C-tier is Ciccone (and only because he was in the Giro)
· Cofidis was borderline F-tier = If you eliminate Martin, they were F-tier without a doubt (awful selection, no performance)
· Ineos was borderline F-tier = If you eliminate Carlitos, they were F-tier without a doubt (really bad selection, no performance)
· I DON'T BELIEVE IN D-TIER
· 3 teams deserve F-tier = FDJ and AG2R didn't do shit... and neither did Bora and I know they were more unlucky than stupid but still didn't do ANYTHING with the remaining guys
Nice list Benji, bit inconsistent in some areas, but that differs with opinions.
Astana? Really?
Too many easy As. And only one C. Even if you allow a little grade inflation, most grades should be a B or C. Half of the teams get an A. And, maybe too many D and DNS.
Total Energies got a stage win, an excellent stage win. But, that does not earn them an A. Maybe a high B. DSM getting the same grade, when they put Bardet in yellow - for a day. Lotto also got a nice win, but not as nice as DSM or Total Energies. Still, these are B+ to C teams, as is Astana. Astana's one win got huge attention, but otherwise bupkiss.
Generally, I agree with a lot of order, just not where they are bunched up. Those As are really not near the results that were obtained by your two top teams. And, I question the rating for Intermarche. They won green, three stages, got lots of press, all they could've hoped for, so, A+
UAE won GC, put 3 riders in the top ten, six stages, everything they could have wished for but polka dots, and the polka dots UAE gave away because the smart tactics were not to follow Carapaz.
Tough to rate teams with bad luck as poorly as teams that just did not perform. Bad luck teams include Ineos and Red Bull - Bora, but keeping out of crashes and staying healthy is part of racing the Tour. So, both get lower marks because of they lost riders due to health issues. I would rate Movistar higher than either, because Mas was still trying until the end of Stage 20. But, Movistar is still a C-minus to D team.
I'll pretend he did too. HHAHa
Arkea was one of the worst scoring teams, same with Astana. A stage win ain`t giving them a A, max B
No mención of cara paz getting polla dots and supercombatif
Lol cofidis ik heb ze niet eens gezien 0 keer 0keer
Very much agree with this tier list buuuuuut.... that may be because I'm completely brainwashed from watching 30 hours of post race recap podcasts by the same dude
How can this Jonas have been better than last years? That’s just BS.
The watts are the watts. Even Jonas confirmed it.
@@BenjiNaesenTV the watts dont lie, but people do
@@BenjiNaesenTV he was referring watts/kg since you mentioned he has lost muscle mass in ICU
Enios DNS. With the budget they have and nothing.
Ineos = DNS
This list is ridiculous
I dont understand how you rank. One time, Alpecin doesnt reach their goals in the Tour, you rank them A. Other time, Cofidis reach their goal and you rank them D. When Moviestar have good riders and reached none of their goals, becomes also D tier. if they dont have good riders here, how can they become A or S tier? Alpecin underperformed massive while doesnt even been unfortune due to illness or crashes, thats B or C, but never A on my watch.
In what way did Cofidis achieve their goal? They had 2 stage victories last year and now they got absolutely nothing except a P3 in points classification. 😅
Brother they got 3 stage wins
@@BenjiNaesenTV Their goal wasnt more than P3 in points, how should they win it? Are you telling me, that Coquard is better than Phillipsen or Girmay? he is not even a top5 sprinter. A stagewin would be good, but they overperformed last year, your words, and they arent expected to do it every year.
Alpecin won 5 stages and green, on that logic, they must be D tier cause they didnt get both.
I would say, both teams are B or C.
@@edwardforrest5114 right, less than last year, and no green.
So they did less than expected, thats why he ranked cofidis so low. Thats what i dont understand.
IPT was terrible.
I don't see how the green jersey is a better result than podium in GC...
Intermarché’s budget is 20% of Visma’s, and came with the ambition of winning 1 stage. They won 3 + Green. Obviously that’s better relative to expectations than a super team coming to win the Tour de France and not achieving that.