Next patch: Echoing Reprimand now deals 5,000 damage to the rogue. Shadowstrike and Eviscerate have a 75% to miss in PvP. Rogue class is no longer available, all rogues will now get replaced by Demon Hunters.
Rogues still one shot in less than 3 seconds, have crazy utility, and insane amounts of control options. They will still be one of the best classes in arena. They will be more dependent on class synergies, but that's ok.
@Zharas Kerimbay no 1 spot in arena right now is a rogue, even after the nerf hammer, Pikaboo... Just because certain classes may hard counter your class, doesnt make them op or your class up.
I hope so. Rogues are still broken. The fact that they can kill somone inside their stun is abselutly laughable. You can trinket the blind or whatever it doesnt matter, rogue got more stuns then any other class and they can finish you inside of it. It's a abselute laughable disgusting class. Not saying Pika isnt one of the greatest, but rogues are def 100% broken.
17:47 Mage combusts, Wiz silences him and either him or Absterge purge the combust (which I didn't know was possible), Disc dispels the silence on his mage and mage goes for the ring of frost. That's so much top notch gameplay condensed in 3 seconds, it blows my mind.
A toy from Darkmoon Faire called Fire-eater’s Vial. It has 10 sec CD so it’s commonly used with a macro to use the toy while casting some other spells to give it a cooler look.
@@atsgem Because Rets are only A tier. Rogues, Spriests, Fire mages, Armwar, are all S tier. I know bubbles and sustain are annoying, but that's literally all they have. They have 1 burst combo that is so obviously avoidable, little to no mobility, which makes them easily kite-able, and terrible damage without their wings since the kyrian ability was nerfed into the ground.
@@Snuusnuu69 I don't think that's true. Rets do good dmg even outside of their burst. One of the comps Pika and his team had the most trouble with was arms/ret (pretty much tied in rating with pikas team at the top), as shown in one of his recent videos. Everytime they set up a kill on the ret with the heal being cc'd, he'd just instantly top himself off multiple times with wog and did about the same amount of dmg as arms. They should nerf healing and burst but give them more mobility and better defensives against casters imo... But rets have been asking for that for ages to no avail so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@@calebhope2390 well, in my defense. 95% of all statistics are made up on the spot. ;D I still say that player skill is more important than the class though because a skilled player can still beat someone playing the "best class" while using the "worst class" but when skill is ~ equal then yeah, the class with the advantage would pull ahead.
hey dude, watching your videos and just paying attention to your actions ive increased my rating 400 pts in like three days. just saying "wwpikado" thanks homie
I love that you guys are try harding, but still manage to have so much fun with it. Also that game u lost, all laughs. Awesome shit, wp and well done guys xD
Pika: "My class is ruined, I do no damage, everyone else should be nerfed, I need those buffs, blizzard" Also Pika: "Is that all we have to do to win? EZ" *Rank 1 achieved*
What are you even on about? Rogues are still broken. It's just a fact. They can kill people inside a stun, doesnt matter if you use trinket because rogues got plenty of stuns and they will finish you inside of it. It's a redicilous class.
Next patch: Removed rogues' ability to use any weapons other than [Skinning Knife], all abilities except stealth and sinister strike disabled. Pikaboo: And I'd still beat Xaryu 1v1 POG
Can someone explain what happened when the pally’s uninterruptible cast became interruptible in the last 10% of the cast and then Pika kicked? It’s a purgeable buff? What is it? Also who purged? Wiz or the sham? Edit: oh it was Carl
At least now we can say that rog is one of hardest classes to play. Since dmg nerfed, all the rerollers getting mad because they dont one shot anymore. Now it‘s about using your brain while playing as sub. For me the best thing blizz could do.
It's Detection ability. You have to learn it by buying a spellbook from some npcs. As far as I know Kelsey in Rogue class hall sells it. Dunno about others
Ppl look at pikaboo and use him as a reason to tell others to git gud. Im sick of it. We dont all have unlimited time to play and access to unlimited top tier players in comms...
My serious assumption to sub rogue nerf would be: 5% reduced damage/Eviscerate damage reduced by 5%. Shadowstrike damage reduced by 10% and you only get 1 dance 😂
I really hope they don't nerf them any more I play hunter and unless they're blasting every CD they don't feel like they're doing that much damage. I'd like to see them get a little bit of damage back. They're getting kills coz of perfect setups, not through brute force which is what most comps are doing atm
Yeah subs damage outside of shadow dance is really bad. Sub is still really good, but playing it requires really good CC and setups. Very little chance of a sub rogue brute forcing a win against a good team. I can't see them giving rogue more damage though. Because of the way sub rogue plays and its skill cap, its really hard to balance it at both low and high ratings. Personally, I would like to see them buff damage for Assassin or Outlaw to take the spot of a more traditional DPS pvp spec that doesn't focus exclusively on setups while leaving sub intact.
This is exactly why i lol'd hard at all the FOTM rerolling rogues crying about the nerfs.. like no your class is still great, people can just survive a cheapshot now lol
@@LittlePankek ofc they can be wrong, and you could say if he was rank 2, "maybe talenting hex could have clinched them the top spot", but he is the top spot, so it isn't a strong argument. I don't know the class well, im sure if you can get rank 1 it means you know your class absolutely inside out, i'm sure there is a reason he didnt take, i dont even know the other choices of talent on that line. Now if you were rank1 as a shammy and he was lower, your advice probably would carry more weight
@@OkoYT Being rank 1 this early in the expansion carries no weight. A lot of classes are overtuned and people are abusing it. I got gladiator spamming ret pally because WoG is bat-shit broken, simple as that; easiest title of my life. This is a game that requires proper cc chaining to deplete cds and set-up kill opportunities, so taking the hex pvp talent is a no-brainer. You can get by if you're being hard-carried, and I'm sure there are some comps you can not take hex talent against, but I'm certain he'll swap to it later down the line. I'm gonna be honest, I've never even heard of him before. For all I know he's a completely random resto shaman that is getting boosted by the best rogue and priest in the world.
@@LittlePankek yes you make some good points and i think a 0 cd hex sounds ridiculously good and i personally wouldn't skip it, but then i'm not a high ranked shammy, he is, i'm sure he has his reasons, you and I just might not know them
worst thing about the egg is they can use cds on it ,PS etc ,imo if it wants to stay in arena it should be like 50% healing reduction on it and shit like that ,its way 2 stupid rn
FOR THE LOVE OF CHRIST DO NOT TWEET THAT TO BLIZZ they will double nerf us again cause all these others classes crying PS not to mention the warrior's damage great vid and wp :)
Locked in a position, surrounded by enemies, with no buttons to push = dead unless someone else knows and can cover for him, he's gotta get those shouts out
Its not even the damage thats the problem now, its the retarded good kit rogues have, insane defensives for physical and magic dmg vanish for oh shit moment enough cc to stop the fucking burning legion single handed. shits gross.
@@dylanbailey2748 Clearly you must agree with me because you've offered nothing in rebuttal. Nice to see a like minded person that would like me to spread the message further. have a great one.
@@calebhope2390 I think sub rogues are an incredibly useful class and their toolkit, more than ever, is necessary in spite of their lack of damage. If you believe their toolkit is overpowered, especially given the current state of their damage, you're either misinformed or inexperienced.
I main Night Fae, and I do NOT think Egg should exist in arena. It's a 10min cd; should ankh, lust, LoH, and other >5min cds be allowed back in, then? Dumb af.
Do you see the monk movement on the first game? That shit needs to be fucking fixed. Your ms is perfectly fine but they seem laggy af that you can't even aim on them.
"I'm Dead" "You're Dead" "We're Dead" "'He's Dead" The great communication skills of R1 xD
when all you need to know is the future, you can take action to change it before it become the present.
back to basics
My favorite is "Im DEAD!" still at 95% hp
@@Kittsuera Thank you wise man
Next patch: Echoing Reprimand now deals 5,000 damage to the rogue.
Shadowstrike and Eviscerate have a 75% to miss in PvP.
Rogue class is no longer available, all rogues will now get replaced by Demon Hunters.
LMAOOOO
Rogues still one shot in less than 3 seconds, have crazy utility, and insane amounts of control options. They will still be one of the best classes in arena. They will be more dependent on class synergies, but that's ok.
@@Snuusnuu69 rogues get nerfed and people still complain lol
@Zharas Kerimbay no 1 spot in arena right now is a rogue, even after the nerf hammer, Pikaboo...
Just because certain classes may hard counter your class, doesnt make them op or your class up.
@@Snuusnuu69 "one shot in less than 3 seconds" lmao do you know what a "one shot" is?
Another nerf made it to the water
Hahaha
Blizzard can be so cruel
Are rogues getting another nerf ?
@@Capabletango nope just saying lol
Next patch : sub rogue changes -> eviscerate dmg reduced by 30%, symbols ability removed.
Ty pika.
Really? where did i can find it?
@@ulquiorraschiffer3420 They’re about to delete rogues altogether thanks to pika lol.
I hope so. Rogues are still broken. The fact that they can kill somone inside their stun is abselutly laughable. You can trinket the blind or whatever it doesnt matter, rogue got more stuns then any other class and they can finish you inside of it. It's a abselute laughable disgusting class.
Not saying Pika isnt one of the greatest, but rogues are def 100% broken.
17:47 Mage combusts, Wiz silences him and either him or Absterge purge the combust (which I didn't know was possible), Disc dispels the silence on his mage and mage goes for the ring of frost. That's so much top notch gameplay condensed in 3 seconds, it blows my mind.
I don't even play WoW, Stumbled upon your videos, and somehow love watching them! So cheers for that I guess! :)
2:59 that last second kick after dispel was insane
He’s taunting blizzard I sware. Pika don’t get us nerfed
this nerf was enough if they nerf more they need almost nerf all class...
@@warzy01 your smart and yes when you nerf a class into the ground it created a ripple effect
I think rogues are still S tier. Assasin will be very strong soon too.
shit spec must be deleted from game
@@kej1n ?
18:44 what's the songs name?
Aint no one stoping Pikaboo das for sure
EU #1 is also a Sub Rogue, really makes you think
im loving the drum n bass and the games, sick
Pikas and Mitch‘s stream Playlists are the best by far. 👍
the first one, whats the name of it? I want it!
@@Boom1830 Muzzy - Endgame :) they're mostly monstercat songs from back in the day
Blizzard: “watching pikas vid”
Next patch: you can no longer play rogue in arenas/bg
that would be admitting that they can't balance pvp, would never happen.
Guys what is the name of object that makes color appear when use the shadowstrike??
I was always wondering what this is aswell
U mean the purple colour?? If so that's shadow dance.
@@woden991 no, sometimes is green, purple yellow. Shadowdance always is purple. Idk what is
A toy from Darkmoon Faire called Fire-eater’s Vial. It has 10 sec CD so it’s commonly used with a macro to use the toy while casting some other spells to give it a cooler look.
@@DNB__ thanks brother i love you
Could a kind soul tell me what the very first song is called?
videos like this get us shit on by the devs while rets are killing people in 0.3 of a global druids are hitting 18k on 1 ability
18k? you're cute.
Played with a shaman who got 30k'd and a different hunter who got 33k'd by a star surge.
@@foodforthought85 arms warriors dont run venthyr in arena, not sure what rating you're playing at though.
I'm all for class balance but I dont understand how sub gets nerfed really hard but nothing done to Rets and Arms
@@atsgem Because Rets are only A tier. Rogues, Spriests, Fire mages, Armwar, are all S tier. I know bubbles and sustain are annoying, but that's literally all they have. They have 1 burst combo that is so obviously avoidable, little to no mobility, which makes them easily kite-able, and terrible damage without their wings since the kyrian ability was nerfed into the ground.
@@Snuusnuu69 I don't think that's true. Rets do good dmg even outside of their burst. One of the comps Pika and his team had the most trouble with was arms/ret (pretty much tied in rating with pikas team at the top), as shown in one of his recent videos. Everytime they set up a kill on the ret with the heal being cc'd, he'd just instantly top himself off multiple times with wog and did about the same amount of dmg as arms.
They should nerf healing and burst but give them more mobility and better defensives against casters imo... But rets have been asking for that for ages to no avail so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
song at 5:30??? D:
to be honesst. what dmg u do without skulkers wing? if u be realistic.. without there is no dmg outcome to burst enough.. right?
What addon is he using got raid frames and to show the DRs?
whats the addon showing what spells he pressed going across in the bottom middle of his ui?
TrufiGCD
Name of the Song in the first game?
Also would like to know
Muzzy - Endgame
are those ridiculous binds like alt-7 bound to another key on his mouse?
Yes - or probably. If you PvP you should definitely invest in a mouse that has extra buttons will make you so much more efficient in arena
Yeah he uses a naga iirc
What addons do you use?
Any way to get the playlist of background music playing?
I asked him on stream, he listens to a lot of Drum and Bass and uses youtube autoplay so there's no actual playlist
The unplayable class is rank 1.
its 20% class, 10% gear and 70% the player's skill.
@@Kittsuera 20% class yeah right lmao. maybe change that to 50% 10% 40%
@@calebhope2390 lol yeah, that must be why theres only 4 rogues in the top 100 right? its 90% player skill
@@calebhope2390 well, in my defense. 95% of all statistics are made up on the spot. ;D
I still say that player skill is more important than the class though because a skilled player can still beat someone playing the "best class" while using the "worst class" but when skill is ~ equal then yeah, the class with the advantage would pull ahead.
@@JohnSmith-en3oc 10 in top 100 if you count eu and na ladder together
What conduits do you use good sir?
hey dude, watching your videos and just paying attention to your actions ive increased my rating 400 pts in like three days. just saying "wwpikado"
thanks homie
U started with 0?
@@drios8809 yeah actually -200. started at -200.
I love that you guys are try harding, but still manage to have so much fun with it. Also that game u lost, all laughs. Awesome shit, wp and well done guys xD
* Rogues unplayable, dead class * -> next video * NERF WASNT ENOUGH RANK 1 BABY *
streamer being a streamer. same with any competitive game
song at 5:30? :D
what is that green stuff pikaboos character spits ? is it somekinda trinket ?
It’s a toy from Darkmoon Faire called Fire-eater’s Vial
@@DNB__ cool thanks :)
Pika: "My class is ruined, I do no damage, everyone else should be nerfed, I need those buffs, blizzard"
Also Pika: "Is that all we have to do to win? EZ" *Rank 1 achieved*
Anyone know the name of the first song?
They’re about to delete rogues altogether thanks to pika lol.
What are you even on about? Rogues are still broken. It's just a fact. They can kill people inside a stun, doesnt matter if you use trinket because rogues got plenty of stuns and they will finish you inside of it. It's a redicilous class.
@@Cornell90 You must not watch the stream much. Its all jokes.
@@l2playy105 My bad
Next patch: Removed rogues' ability to use any weapons other than [Skinning Knife], all abilities except stealth and sinister strike disabled.
Pikaboo: And I'd still beat Xaryu 1v1 POG
Good to know that the nerf didn't affect good players at all.
Gladius Anchor - click to move
Red Nike shoes
music of 1:40?
Pika - Titles his videos nerfs not enough
Pika - Why do they keep nerfing rogues!?!
Can someone explain what happened when the pally’s uninterruptible cast became interruptible in the last 10% of the cast and then Pika kicked? It’s a purgeable buff? What is it? Also who purged? Wiz or the sham?
Edit: oh it was Carl
At least now we can say that rog is one of hardest classes to play. Since dmg nerfed, all the rerollers getting mad because they dont one shot anymore.
Now it‘s about using your brain while playing as sub. For me the best thing blizz could do.
They still kill people inside stun duration, there is no counter play at all. Sure, rogues are fine :)
And just like that, vanguards said hold my beer
That purge from Wiz, on the pala. Play of the year xD
bro wiz said it was all carl...
Holy cow wiz ringing the priest at @16:45 🤯
Noob question; what is the buff Pika is always spamming that looks like he's dispelling himself?
Awesome work on rank 1
It's Detection ability. You have to learn it by buying a spellbook from some npcs. As far as I know Kelsey in Rogue class hall sells it. Dunno about others
Does nothing he just spams it cos its habit
@@MErden-qq3me is that the blue droplet icon that shows up on the spell list? Any idea of the name?
@@snivels That's memory of eonar legendary proccing from one of the other 2 players to pika
@@MErden-qq3me Thanks
How does he spit purple flames when engage
It’s a toy from Darkmoon Faire called Fire-eater’s Vial
@@DNB__ Bro, thx for that omg, impossible to get the answer anywhere xd
@@patidouh1764 no problem! Glad I could help :)
do not say that it is insufficient, because they will lower them more xD
I just love the fact that that monk was named Flexico
That monk in first game was the laggiest thing I’ve ever seen
ackshully its a seed pod and not an egg 5Head
Should be titled: "when you realize you're not a stealthed monk and start playing your class"
all what rogs need is?? combo points on target, not global ones
what they did to the DH was one of the most BM things ive ever seen LMAO mind control spam heal him
People complaining about Rogues being too OP
Rogues: HAHAHA LOOK AT THEM CRYING
*Rogues get nerfed*
Rogues: *crying*
Blizz will nerf rogue but not touch windwalker?
That purge made me INSTA like this video. R1 boys we’re INSANE!
Ppl look at pikaboo and use him as a reason to tell others to git gud. Im sick of it. We dont all have unlimited time to play and access to unlimited top tier players in comms...
might be fine for 3s but feels like im doing no damage solo after the nerfs
My serious assumption to sub rogue nerf would be: 5% reduced damage/Eviscerate damage reduced by 5%. Shadowstrike damage reduced by 10% and you only get 1 dance 😂
I really hope they don't nerf them any more I play hunter and unless they're blasting every CD they don't feel like they're doing that much damage. I'd like to see them get a little bit of damage back. They're getting kills coz of perfect setups, not through brute force which is what most comps are doing atm
Yeah subs damage outside of shadow dance is really bad. Sub is still really good, but playing it requires really good CC and setups. Very little chance of a sub rogue brute forcing a win against a good team. I can't see them giving rogue more damage though. Because of the way sub rogue plays and its skill cap, its really hard to balance it at both low and high ratings. Personally, I would like to see them buff damage for Assassin or Outlaw to take the spot of a more traditional DPS pvp spec that doesn't focus exclusively on setups while leaving sub intact.
This is exactly why i lol'd hard at all the FOTM rerolling rogues crying about the nerfs.. like no your class is still great, people can just survive a cheapshot now lol
i can still one shot you in 2 cheapshsots xD except more tanky classes
your shammy really needs that pvp talent hex to make it 0 second cd
Hitting rank 1, ya know, the highest, kinda says he actually doesn't really need it at all
@@OkoYT He missed a significant amount of kill opportunities because his hex is still on that 20 second cd. Rank 1s can be wrong
@@LittlePankek ofc they can be wrong, and you could say if he was rank 2, "maybe talenting hex could have clinched them the top spot", but he is the top spot, so it isn't a strong argument.
I don't know the class well, im sure if you can get rank 1 it means you know your class absolutely inside out, i'm sure there is a reason he didnt take, i dont even know the other choices of talent on that line.
Now if you were rank1 as a shammy and he was lower, your advice probably would carry more weight
@@OkoYT Being rank 1 this early in the expansion carries no weight. A lot of classes are overtuned and people are abusing it. I got gladiator spamming ret pally because WoG is bat-shit broken, simple as that; easiest title of my life. This is a game that requires proper cc chaining to deplete cds and set-up kill opportunities, so taking the hex pvp talent is a no-brainer. You can get by if you're being hard-carried, and I'm sure there are some comps you can not take hex talent against, but I'm certain he'll swap to it later down the line.
I'm gonna be honest, I've never even heard of him before. For all I know he's a completely random resto shaman that is getting boosted by the best rogue and priest in the world.
@@LittlePankek yes you make some good points and i think a 0 cd hex sounds ridiculously good and i personally wouldn't skip it, but then i'm not a high ranked shammy, he is, i'm sure he has his reasons, you and I just might not know them
worst thing about the egg is they can use cds on it ,PS etc ,imo if it wants to stay in arena it should be like 50% healing reduction on it and shit like that ,its way 2 stupid rn
Way to go guys! Grats! 🤘
"The reason for your loss is not due to that arrogance. It is simply due to a difference in skill."
- Byakuya Kuchiki
musik?
what nerf? rogues still kill in the opener through karma and fort brew and using good karma talent lol
exactly
Wait.. was pika playing on 30 fps
FOR THE LOVE OF CHRIST DO NOT TWEET THAT TO BLIZZ they will double nerf us again cause all these others classes crying PS not to mention the warrior's damage great vid and wp :)
Big Damage!!!
You say im dead a million times while you are at full health lol 😂
Locked in a position, surrounded by enemies, with no buttons to push = dead unless someone else knows and can cover for him, he's gotta get those shouts out
@@firedrake110 lol nah man they were in good shape the whole time .
2:58 WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK WAS THAT?!!!
Is it just me or does he use more claw moves than a feral druid?
So.. what you're saying is that the balancing pass was necessary? Imagine my shock.
Its not even the damage thats the problem now, its the retarded good kit rogues have, insane defensives for physical and magic dmg vanish for oh shit moment enough cc to stop the fucking burning legion single handed. shits gross.
@@calebhope2390 cry more
@@dylanbailey2748 Clearly you must agree with me because you've offered nothing in rebuttal. Nice to see a like minded person that would like me to spread the message further. have a great one.
@@calebhope2390 I think sub rogues are an incredibly useful class and their toolkit, more than ever, is necessary in spite of their lack of damage. If you believe their toolkit is overpowered, especially given the current state of their damage, you're either misinformed or inexperienced.
@@dylanbailey2748 Fury warriors want to ask you a few questions. good try though
2.7 ret + ww cant kill a rogue with no def cds + no trinket rdy lol... us is so bad xD
Dope xaryu
absolute monster
0:04 No
The bob rob compo 😂😂
carl playing like a god
stun at full hp = i'm dead 🤣
Did you see that flex with the paper towels
Yea we know. The nerfs were warranted and rogues are fine now! Time to go necro for 7 sec kidneys
7 seg kidney with necro? Are you kidding ?
Wait what
14:54
I think Blizzard deserves an apology for the day 1 doomsday criers. Next video I want to see a rank 1 fury warrior. 🤣
i swear everytime i hear a music in these videos i can't stop thinking his editor is an osu player
I'm still getting 100-0 in stuns so it really wasn't enough
Get tf outta here lol, if you're getting 100-0'd by a rogue, after the nerfs, it was your fault.
@@dylanbailey2748 my fault for not pre walling of course
I mean yeah if you're not pressing your buttons and you don't have trinket.. yes you should be getting 100-0 in a stun
I main Night Fae, and I do NOT think Egg should exist in arena. It's a 10min cd; should ankh, lust, LoH, and other >5min cds be allowed back in, then? Dumb af.
How did this vid get a 100k plus views but only 69k people sub cmon guys.
hes relaxing drinking a claw getting rank 1 xD this is why I sub
Teach me how to play rogue the right way papi- I mean senpai- I mean Waifu- I meant pika.
Not going to lie, was hoping Jellybeans was in this push.
Do you see the monk movement on the first game? That shit needs to be fucking fixed. Your ms is perfectly fine but they seem laggy af that you can't even aim on them.
it was probably the monk lagging
@@alexbuckley8476 lagging but still can fuck you up.
zilea still snipin... some things don't change
Should’ve titled it “Barely making it to rank 1 with nerfs. Need buffs?”🤣🤣🤣
HAHA rev and his trash priest sweating their hearts out and losing horribly
I hope they fix rouges :( my main bootymilk is a rogue. Is very hard now
wow pika looks different on the outro :)
i hope blizz watches other rogues too before deciding lol uhm pika isnt human
233 weapons and skulkers
Oh that's all we need to get r1 on ladder!? Dope I'll be there tomorrow
Man sub still is fucked, they should make combat out of outlaw
lol Carl's rinsed!
Aye good shit