Orchestration Hacks (5 Quick Tips)
ฝัง
- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 24 มิ.ย. 2024
- 5 orchestration secrets you may or may not know about!
0:00 Intro
0:59 #1 Melody
4:47 #2 Dovetailing
7:37 #3 It Takes Three
9:30 #4 Overwriting Percussion
11:13 #5 Three Trumpets
If you'd like to show your appreciation for this content, you can buy me a coffee here:
www.buymeacoffee.com/annedern
More info about Anne-Kathrin Dern:
www.annedern-filmcomposer.com
imdb.me/annekathrindern
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anne-Ka...
/ annedern
/ annedern
/ annekathrindern
/ equalitymusicprods
#orchestra #musicalinstruments #musicproduction
TH-cam has transformed our lives - for people like me, knowledgeable enough about music to understand the challenges, but from whom music is a hobby far from our professional sphere, having a master like you sharing their experience is a godsend, and an infinite source of discovery and inspiration. I cannot thank you enough for this.
I'm so glad to hear that! This is exactly why I do this. I'm not sure I'd say I'm a master at anything but certainly decent enough to teach a thing or two. ;-P
Heaven offers great music!! ❤️😇 I wish you could see that
I remember the very earliest of music cmposition software, in the 80s, and I was fascinated by it, but had no idea what I was doing. Now I have, well, at least some idea, thanks to brilliant people like Anne-Kathrin, and I'm torn between regret that it came so late in life, and happiness that it came at all.
I love your style of speaking. It’s very easy to listen to!
There are too many people on the Tube trying to Make Everything Interesting By Talking In This Excited Manner…
Listening to you, I feel treated like the adult I wish I was 🙂
So happy to hear that! I’m generally a fairly chill person so I don’t think I could match those energy levels even if I tried. 😅
Totally agree..!
"I can make more of these" - yes, please, if you have time! That clattering noise is me frantically typing notes as I watched this video, this is EXCELLENT insight/info. Thank you! Also, you've definitely trimmed down, congrats and looks great. 👍🏼 Now I need to step up!
Haha, okay okay, I’ll record some more. Thank you for watching!
@@AnneKathrinDernComposer I have always struggled with the intellectual stubbornness that tells me not to be too literal/forward with the melody. My brain is like ‘seriously, that’s all you can think of. Nearly everyone playing the melody. How creative is that’ It makes me feel like I am not paying effort in my piece. Hearing your suggestion and reassurance really helps!
Learned more from you than study. Thanks so much!
@@AnneKathrinDernComposer 9:31 I have the opposite problem - I don’t know how to use percussion.
Liszt Chasse-Neige: th-cam.com/video/vJu9e1Pr2Ek/w-d-xo.html
Liszt Wilde Jagd: th-cam.com/video/smnnY1bTo4E/w-d-xo.html
When the content is so good you need not to say to like and subscribe... it happens naturally well before the video ends.
Fantastic video, I'm so glad this popped up in my recommendations! As a now (mostly) former trumpet player, I can give a little bit of insight in #5. Basically for most trumpet players it's much easier to pitch off another trumpet particularly in the higher register, and most players in an ensemble will instinctively adjust their pitch minutely so that all the overtones from each note in the chord line up nicely. This is why a good funk/big band trumpet section sounds so damn good playing big stacked chords! When they're all playing in unison, and particularly when your root note is in the higher overtones (C5 and above - which as you say counts as "high" but is normally fine for all but beginners) this becomes more and more difficult as there's only one overtone series to lock on to. So, if one player hears that they're slightly off pitch relative to the others and moves, but another player does the same thing, they're all trying to hit a moving target! Dropping the 3rd trumpet down an octave means that the higher players now have a rock solid 1st overtone note to reference from, as you spotted.
Thanks so much, would love to hear any more tips you have!
Fucking brilliant! That makes great sense. I played bass trombone and doubling an octave(or two) down stabilized everything. It's got to be that there's a solid overtone to reference to.
Cheers,
Alan Tomlinson
P.S. Ms. Dunn(I was going to write Frau), that was a perfect video. Concise, great examples, well-explained. Thanks!
Interesting, this is very useful information thanks for sharing!
Fascinating insight!
Hey thanks for taking the time to explain this. Makes sense and I was trying to figure it out. Cheers
I have been eyeing this video from the home page for a while and I'm glad I finally clicked it
Anne: "Two violins is bad"
TwoSetViolin: "She's about to end our entire career"
Very nice tips! About the violin sounding twice as loud… 2 violins : +3dB 4 violins : +6dB 8 violins : +9 dB
The doubling of the perceived volume is +10dB. So probably 8 or 9 violins should be enough to get the feeling. But ten will do, for sure!
Congrats! I wish you a happy new year!
Happy new year to you too!
Those were some very helpful tips - well explained, with great examples / anecdotes from your life as a working composer.
I definitely wouldn’t mind having more of those…
No1 seems so simple but I needed to hear it. Thanks!
Tip number 4 is such a good one...I think Hans said that too on VI-C and ever since I started applying that into my more "traditional" pieces my writing improved quite a bit! And please, do make more whenever you have the time and feel like it!
Will do! Thank you for watching!
Thank you, Anne-Kathrin! Ha! Great trumpet story...
love those quick fixes :) You are such a valuable
ambassador to the world. Blessings...
As someone who is learning orchestration through self-study, this was super helpful. Liked and subscribed 👍🏼☺️
I can't believe you stopped the Moldau RIGHT BEFORE the main theme came in. I just about died right there.
“I can make more of these.”
The world would be much better off if you did
Okay fine. :-)
Clear, concise, and fantastic as always Anne. The trumpet tip was new to me as well! 🎺🎺🎺
These are some really great tips! Thanks for laying it out and explaining it so well.
Also great info about the 3 strings - I never knew the trick about 2 vs 10 violins for volume!
So reassuring and relaxing. Thanks for your welcoming and encouraging approach to orchestration!
Absolutely my pleasure! Thanks for watching!
This girl have VERY NICE, effective, clear and short tips for orchestration, BRAVO!
Fantastic! This stands above all the myriad of videos I view on the subject, as being the most succinctly constructed to avoid yada yada yada yada...coma. I can easily fall victim to over complicating my mockups. It's a byproduct of actually having the ears but being unschooled- my schooling being listening to the greats, absorbing a shit ton of learning material, watching every video you put out, and writing a shit ton of compositions. With every new piece I start by saying ok, I'm gonna do myself a favor and simplify. This video goes a long way as a reminder to that end, and how to better accomplish it. Thank you so much, Anne. I'm a shit ton pleased with this video. (Yes, you're speaking my shit ton language!)
Best part is when you mention in quasi ASMR soothing tones “don’t be afraid to put a shit ton of instruments on a melody”. I almost fell off my couch laughing so hard. Not at the notion just the delivery.
Hahaha, that's what I get for sitting so close to the mic!
Loved the crickets😄at "young composers over compensate by over writing percussion".
Thank you for this video.
The first piece of advise needs to be said more often. I always feel like I'm doing to many instruments in unison when I'm really not
The part about the 3 Trumpets is one of those treasured gems that will be remembered for a life time by me. Additionally the information about 2/3 violins is yet another precious gem of knowledge.
Thanks Anne-Kathrin - Really useful tips and interesting to hear what you've learned from live players and orchestrators.
I tend to overcomplicate the string section a lot. Thanks for providing this simple but quite logical tip. 3 octaves in the melody, 2 in the bass. BOOOM :D I'm trying this in my next track.
Another string tip is to just read some lush scores like Debussy, Ravel, Delius or Dvorak: try to analyse a lush piece or passage like Paradise Garden for Delius, Prelude a l'apres-midi d'un faune for Debussy, or Symphony 8 3rd movement for Dvorak. In the Dvorak for example, the super lush warm tone comes from a surprisingly sparse set of instruments: bass, cello, viola, clarinets in melody and a horn, iirc. You're not the first composer to want to create these moods, plenty of masters have done it successfully before you and there is no need to reinvent the wheel if you can simply adapt it!
This channel is a gem. Thank you for sharing these great tips!
This is incredibly insightful and useful. Thank you so much Ann-Kathrin - please do make more of these if you can!
Wonderful tutorial Anne.
Yes please do make more in this style.
You were very helpful.
Thank you
Clearly & simply explained. Well done. Very pretty Eyes too. :)
Great tutorial, thanks for all the time you put in this!
So helpful!!! Thank you
Excellent suggestions. Thank you!
I don't know how I got to your channel, but I'm glad I did. You are amazing! Can't wait for more.
Thank you so much!!
Really appreciate what you doing out there! Thank you so much!
I'd love to see more of these, thanks! Great stuff.
Loved this, definitely going to welcome more in this vein, cheers in advance! The 3 trumpet thing really surprised me, I have not had that experience, so I did not know of that, but thanks to you, Anne, I learned how to avoid a perhaps quite costly mistake, cheers 🙂 Oh, yes, even the "how to double the volume of a single violin" one was mindblowing
Absolutely makes sense! Thanks for these useful tips Anne-Kathrin.
Thank you for your insights and time you put into these videos!
Thank you for watching! I appreciate it!
Vor kurzem habe ich deinen Kanal per Zufall entdeckt und sehr schnell abboniert. Mir gefiel die Art und Weise der Erklärungen. Nach einem der letzten Videos die ich von Dir gesehen hatte, habe ich mich gefragt, wie sich zum Beispiel Lautstärken verschiedener Instrumente unterscheiden, welche Tonhöhen werden üblicherweise von einzelnen Instrumenten gespielt usw.
Dieses Video deckt genau solche Fragen ab, von denen ich noch gar nicht wusste, dass ich sie stellen könnte. Sehr hilfreich, unaufgeregt und ruhig erklärt, wirkt es sehr kompetent.
Lieben Dank fürs Teilen!
I´ll be honest. I said OK, I give you 1 minute, but after a few second I knew, this is the kind of the videos I want to seeing. Please keep doing, great wok.
Glad you enjoyed it! And welcome aboard! Will definitely keep making these as time permits. :-)
Thank you Anne-Kathrin,
As a newbie to orchestration, this video was loaded with invaluable information. Watching this was as good as any master class that I have attended, and you did it in only 13 minutes... Bravo! Blessing’s JT
Super insightful! Thank you so much and keep these videos coming!
I've watched a dozen or so of your videos, and honestly I've learned more in that time than months of watching others. Love your honest, straightforward and calm delivery as well. Can't wait to see what's next!
I don't even compose, I'm just an amateur string player, but I really enjoy insights like these. Really helps me understand/appreciate orchestra work :)
Thank you so much for this! Please make more orchestration videos! You’re amazing!
Yes, make more of these. ❤️
Brilliant!
Great tips!! Thank you so much.
Let's implement that. thanks for the tips !
Thanks for watching!
Great tips that I can immediately apply to my work! Short and to the point. Please keep them coming and have a great 2022!
Thank you very much for sharing your knowledge!
Just fantastic. So helpful. Thank you!
So helpful, no-nonsense, and actionable!
That was the goal! Glad you like it!
Fantastic as always Anne
Thank you!
Thank you sooo much for the tips.
As a not really experienced composer i already can hear the improvement that they will make in my work.
I really would love to see more content like that. My subscription you have already.
Really wonderful, thank you 🙏
I'm totally digging all your advice. Thanks!
That was amazing!! Thank you very much!!!
Great video!! Keep em coming, you're amazing! Thanks so much for sharing the knowledge 🙏❤
Awesome!!
This was extremely helpful! Yes please to more of these!
This is still amazing, for it is not only applicable for live orchestras, but also for digital orchestration! This will definitely help me, so thank you!
Very helpful! Thanks for sharing!!!!
Wonderful video and insights into each instrument! Please please make more of these videos, thank you !!
Will do! Thank you for watching!
Thanks for the tips Anne. This was very helpful.
Thank you for sharing your knowledge.
Gladly! Thank you for watching!
This is Brilliant!!! Thank you Anne!!!
Just a fantastic video. I’m SO SO GRATEFUL to have found this channel. Your explanation is simple, clear, very easy for people like me to understand. Your teaching is greatly appreciated. Thank you so much!
Thank you, Anne. Very much appreciated. Please post more.
Will do! Thank you for watching!
Very helpful suggestions. Thank-you!
thanks Anne!
Thank you! Great halpfull stuff!
Glad it was helpful!
Thank! Very interesting and useful!
LOVE it !!!!! & you.
Thank you for this. Has been a huge help!
Stumbled onto this channel & feel like a better musician for doing so🙏🙏🙏 The level that you & others are on musically have made me appreciate classical music 🎼 & not to take it for granted!!!🙏🙏🙏 Keep up the good work!!!👍👍👍
Thank you for that! Exactly what I needed.
Top info! Subscribed after watching just a minute of it!
Thanks so much for the video! Very helpful!
Insanely helpful! There are not many channels that cover orchestration and the type of amazing work that you do. Thank you so much!
Great tips Anne, thank you so much! For me as a beginning composer, your videos are extremely helpful. Oh my goodness, number 4 is really hard for me because I'm a drummer. But okay, I'll take number 4 especially to heart. Huge thanks for all your effort! :-)
It depends on the style of music you are writing, but yes in orchestral works don’t overdo it :)
Thanks! That was very useful. I'll love to see more videos like this
Thank you for your great Tips!
Great Tips! I definitely learned a lot. Thanks! 😊
Amazing straight to the point!!!! Thank you for sharing all of your knowledge super helpful
Very informative and helpful. I hope you make more like this. Thanks for sharing your experiences.
Thank you for watching! More to come!
Thank you for sharing these!
Thank you for watching!
Currently binging your content and learning so much! Thanks a lot Anne, great job on these, keep them coming, subbed! 🙂
Thanks again!! Incredible as usual. I've subscribed twice.
Thank you so much for this, Anne-Kathrin! Your insight is much appreciated and I hope you do more.
BOOM! I love it :)
Merci pour ton partage et tes retours d"expériences. 👏👏👏👏👏👏!!!!!!!!!!!!
Very direct and helpful! Thanks Anne-Kathrin!
Thank you! Glad this was useful!
It’s funny how you said, in the beginning that it wouldn’t work for mock ups. And this is the perfect advice for my mock ups. lol great video!
Yes, please! Make more of these short and "to the point" vids. Thank you so much!
Will do! Thanks for watching!
Wow, thank you for this!!
Thank you! It's very useful.
Amazing tips! Thanks a ton! :)
wow this is awesome some of the main tips covered !!!!!!! thank you tons Anne u always rock!!
Very instructive ! Thank you for this video !