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I think that this test wasn't done properly, the atlatl spear is meant to be used with the device because of its lighter weight and lack of proper throwing spear shape A spear for normal throwing would be much heavier and have much more penetration power I think this should be redone if possible with a spear thrower and someone that is used to/ a professional with the atlatl
Nathaniel Dumas technically yes but they use the same threaded insert as a arrow maybe even crossbow bolt? I don’t like crossbows that much so I couldn’t tell you for sure.
It's a sling for spears/javelin rather than stones. However, it has nothing on a bow because the bow stores the energy rather than the person. You also can use much smaller shafts with a bow.
but then they wouldn't have nearly as many subscribers, and way less entertaining videos... The channel is called the modern rogue, not the modern resident sleeper
id be interested in a "the modern rogue can treat any injury" episode a how too on stabilizing people with arrow, stab, shot wounds. No relevance to this episode or channels history, just a suggestion.
You guys should do an episode making ballistic jell or homemade ballistic jell, that way we could see what this would actually be like vs fleshy things.
I think the breaking off thing is a real thing and they still do it if you accidentally impale yourself onto something sharp. The idea is that the object might have punctured a big blood vessel, and that removing it would cause massive bleeding trauma, so its better not to run the risk. By leaving it 'plugged' at least you reduce the risk of severe bleeding trauma which can kill you in minutes, and instead deal with that when you arrive at the ER/Surgery when proper measures against the bleeding can more easily be taken.
Only one little fix: we don't _break_ things anymore; usually we use saws to remove the part that sticks out of the body with little movement; yeah, even in old times breaking was much less traumatic than pulling it out, but just the movement and force of breaking off an arrow tip can pretty much turn the point of the arrow into a shank moving around your insides, which is about as pleasant as it sounds.
I have no idea whether that very last scene in the video is actually directly talking about Modern Rogue or it was a perfectly fitting clip that you just found, but it's a perfect description of this channel.
Nice effect on the end, I use the same after effects plugin. But remember sound is everything! I was almost convinced it was a clip taken from olden times lol
I'm by no means a medical professional, so anyone who _is_ should feel free to correct me here, but it's my understanding that breaking the arrow off can cause more problems down the line -- you only want to do that if the arrow shaft would wind up being jostled and moving the sharp arrowhead around inside the wound, and you lack the means to remove or immobilize it; depending on where and how deep the wound is, it may even be safer to snap off the fletching and push the arrow the rest of the way through, as pulling the arrowhead back out can cause severe damage. Ideally, though, you want to keep the arrowhead from causing further damage until it can be safely removed, and while snapping off part of the shaft can aid in that if you immobilize what's left, it can make the extraction more difficult if you break off too _much_ of the shaft.
That’s definitely true with broadheads and such, but with bodkins or sharpened-stick arrows it’s probably safer to pull it out from the direction it entered as the canal shouldn’t be much bigger than the arrowhead itself. I’m not a medical professional either so take that with a grain of salt.
It's actually really important to leave things in the wound, as they help prevent bleeding.if someone has a knife sticking out of their arm, you try to close the sides of the wounds around the knife. I'm also qualified in first aid, and have had to refresh the test every year for more than I can count. Not sure about snapping the arrow off though.
Spammy That much I do know from some basic armed forces medical training but I assumed this was in a situation where bleeding isn’t as much of an issue, like in a medical ward of some kind
@@Unknownmonkey13 I would assume that the unlucky person would be put into emergency surgery (depending on the severity) as soon as possible to reduce the likelihood of complications like sepsis
@@ObeyCamp I mean, I hope you're allowed to be more than two metres away from other people. If the CDC's guideline is that you keep the entire population within a 2-3 metre radius, we have way bigger problems than I thought. XD
Something that might help you with your throw - don't think of the atlatl as a tool like a bow, instead think of it as an extra length of your arm. It allows you to whip it harder and be closer when you release allowing your aim to be more precise. Thanks for making this video!
I gotta say, Jason is not throwing that well. I've made these, I own a couple, I've used them lots. Jason was garbo on those throws. Brain was about decent though. But like you say, we don't come to the modern rogue for professionalism. In fact, we'd be a little disappoint if you did stuff good. But with a real solid atlatl throw, you could definitely make it out the other side of Dave. It's some real shit.
Heh. I was totally thinking "oh, man... if you came to this channel to watch people be awesome at everything they try..." Glad you're on board with us, friend.
@@ModernRogue Oh ya, it's just these ones that are framed as a test that get me wanting to stay stuff, just because I know that the atlatl could do such more in this case. But I gotta un-clench my b-hole about this stuff. Even the tests are supposed to be fun, not scientific. Science adjacent. I don't know, maybe if you threw in a clip of a professional doing it good, just to show like "hey, this is how it's supposed to work", it would shut the needs like me up. Anyhow, I really love all these videos lately. Seriously my favorite youtube channel, I always stop whatever else I'm doing to watch The Modern Rogue 100% of the time.
You forgot to add that the early hunting ones had tips that were meant to come off in the wound. Some were hardened wood, some were bone. Most had several barbs
@@Odood19 Peirce bone, like a skull? If you throw it hard enough, I'd say so. Probably not the forehead, but the back of the head I wouldn't doubt. From a shot like poor Dave took here, but with good technique: he's not recovering from that. That's a dead Dave. Ultimately, even considering the added weight of an atlatl dart, a bow is altogether a superior weapon I'd say. Speed is more important, and a bow has much more speed. But if you hit a deer, say, with a good atlatl throw, you can be pretty confident that it's going down.
You should never take anything that has pierced you out. Chances are the spear or arrow or knife or whatever is applying force to a blood vessel and not allowing it to bleed out, so keeping it in allows you to survive for longer
6:10 The answer is yes, they have found a lot of examples of darts where the shaft and the head were two parts and some of the earliest were actually hollow antler tips so that the shaft fell out and the wound stayed open and the animal would bleed out faster. It was easier to replace the head of the dart than the whole dart during a time when most of the world was tundra. reindeer antlers were plentiful, and trees were rare.
The woomera is one of the Australian versions of this and that thing was deadly. A highly skilled hunter could apparently kill with it up to 100m. The Noongar resistance fighter Yagan was said to have hit the top of a walking stick he had stuck into the ground with 1 throw at I think 30m and was able to get a spear head like 3 inches deep into a tree trunk. I've heard plenty of other insane feats done with them and I want to learn someday
"How Powerful is an Atlatl?" Apparently powerful enough to crash my computer's operating system when the video got to 2:28! Unless it was just a coincidence...
Just as a fun side note we are pursuit predators, the reason we created things like the Atlatl was make our prey not run as far before collapsing from blood loss/exhaustion, often what would happen is a group of anywhere from 4 or more men would go out and find game, they would strike it and of course it would run for its life having large spears sticking out of its side, but we as pursuit predators couldn't run that fast but what we could do was just keep going, we would follow a blood trail and just jog mostly until we came across the game that had been wounded, if it still had enough energy to run we would sneak up on it again hit it with another spear or multiple and once again as it ran for its life we would jog it down rinse repeat until said prey was to weak to run away or fight back then slit its throat with a flint knapped knife and bam dinner for the next couple of weeks. Think of it this way imagine being like a large antelope of some kind back 10,000 years or so and you get attacked by the strange predator, or of course run for your life and when you feel safe and relax finally thinking you escaped whatever was trying to kill you only to just SHOW UP again to try and kill you AGAIN.
You guys are my absolute favorite. I truly appreciate your work, and it is helping people like me through these hard times. Thank you from the bottom of my heart.
For future archery episodes, they have really cheap broadhead wrenches, they cover all the bladed parts and are a very useful piece of safety equipment. Huge fan of all your topics, keep that counter high and keep the fascinating content rolling!
@The Modern Rogue Btw they used split feather quills and slid them into the wound around the arrow to cover up the points so they could pull the arrow out without making a bigger wound or hurting he person 👌
That headshot though... A shot through the cheek like that could hit the maxillary or carotid arteries depending on the angle and how the dart deflects off the jawbone. I'd like to see what this could do to real bone. If any archers are here, do you know if broadheads can break bone?
When I've made homemade versions, I've actually splintered both arrows (as in, normal-sized arrows) as well as launchers. I've splintered arrows both at launch and upon hitting targets as soft as cardboard because the arrow bends and snaps.
I could be completely wrong on this since I haven't done physics since high school but if I remember correctly, being able to throw twice as long (which seems to be the case) would correspond to 8x the power according to the square-cube law. That means that the atlatl is damn deadly when used by a professional.
I don't know if someone's mentioned this already, but as I understand it, in Paleolithic times (or whenever the atlatl was actually being used), the arrowheads were designed to stay in the animal, but the impact popped the spear off. The hunter would have a pouch of arrowheads and as they were chasing the prey, they'd just pick up the atlatl, put another arrowhead in the end and chuck it again, so the spear was retrieveable, since it was unlikely that even a few of these thrown by multiple hunters would take down a woolly mammoth or whatever. Spears and fletching was probably more difficult to source/make than arrowheads, I'm guessing, so it was much more functional to have a retrievable spear and not have your prey run away with it. I'm sure I got something wrong in that description, but that's the gist anyway.
the "tl" is pronounced with a sound not used in English. go to make a "t" sound and then open from the sides of your tongue instead of the front. you should end up with your tongue in an "L" position. If you're familiar with the Welsh double L sound it's like that with a "t" on the front.
(From what i know) When you break off an arrow it’s because you are in the middle of the battlefield and sometimes it a a last hurrah for those who are probably going to die. You can’t dress a wound in the field like that it’s like removing a fish hook removing it requires putting it all the way through.
Throughout history, combat surgeons figured the only way to remove a broadhead is to either 1. Cut into the wound channel and dig it out, or 2. Push it all the way through. Pushing it through was the preferred method. Option 1. only really applies if you know where the arrowhead is, and cutting it out won't cause worse damage. Not really an option in most cases. Option 2. is part of the reason combat surgeons would break the arrow shaft just before the fletchings -- if you're going to push the arrow/dart all the way through the other side, you don't semi-rigid want feathers ripping through the wound (the feathers can still cut and tear soft tissue, or leave residue that can get infected). Plus -- especially in the Middle Ages -- war arrows were generally tapered: thicker at the head (front), thinner at the nock (back). There's really not much hope trying to pull a broadhead out the way it went in...
This is the first time I’ve seen one of your videos pop up in my recommended and my subscriptions, even though I’m subscribed and have notifications on :/ Edit: I missed 9 videos in total wth TH-cam
As an avid gamer, Im so surprised I have never seen this weapon before, I've seen spears, but I didn't know you could have a device to chuck them like that, so cool!
So, when you throw an atlatl, you want the tip of your thrower to travel in essentially a straight line, and follow through at the end like throwing a baseball. The idea is that the flexible atlatl dart flexes against the throwing stick and springs off towards the target.
You mean to say I get to watch Jason throw sharp at DAVE things _AND_ we get a hilarious comedy skit too? It's not my birthday, but I'll take that gift.
I have a theory. The modern rogue is a couple of kids from the 80s who recreated the movie BIG and took a time machine to 2015 and try to make others happy through a website they discovered called TH-cam
Maybe you guys could make an episode on sneaking? Like a rogue would? I mean the walking silently, and maybe learning how to follow someone sneakily. Also maybe look into D&D for inspiration, and maybe video games like skyrim or assassins creed? Perhaps combining the knife combat, martial arts training, and finesse of pickpocketing to learn how to sneak attack?
There was a sort of similar weapon in medieval and renaissance Europe, known nowadays mostly as the fletched javelin, these were mean looking things, sort of like a giant arrow, with a massive broad point, they sometimes show up in period artwork with small strings tied to the shaft that serve a similar purpose to the spear-thrower or the atlatl, which as far as I understand it is actually the lever you use to throw those javelins, not the javelin itself.
The arrow breaking off instead of pulling is the right thing to do i think. while the arrow is sticking in still it kinda blocks some bleeding whereas when you pull it out, the blood will be able to flow inblocked plus you might do more damage just increasing the wound
I have seen a video by experimental archeologists who killed a bison with an atlatl from 30m distance. the tip coming out 2 feet from the other side. It was jumping and running for maybe 20 sec before collapsing. They processed the whole animal as part of the experiment too.
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I think that this test wasn't done properly, the atlatl spear is meant to be used with the device because of its lighter weight and lack of proper throwing spear shape
A spear for normal throwing would be much heavier and have much more penetration power
I think this should be redone if possible with a spear thrower and someone that is used to/ a professional with the atlatl
Can yall do some videos on privacy again?
Is this US only?
The Modern Rogue “guess who’s getting our penetrating power... DAVE”
New Myth Busters
Should we tell them there's a big variety of arrow heads that effect penetration and wound size?
Sssshhhhhhhhh let them believe in the power of the Broadhead lol
Wouldn’t it be dart tips? Since the Atlatl projectile is called a dart?
Nathaniel Dumas technically yes but they use the same threaded insert as a arrow maybe even crossbow bolt? I don’t like crossbows that much so I couldn’t tell you for sure.
Or if it was heavier it would penetrate and have more power when thrown without the atlatl
Nathan Woo Get them to put a hollow point arrowhead on it. Hahaha
😂😂😂 Wasn’t expecting to hear my name. Nice video, as usual. 👍
PS- Hilarious outro!!!
is this really you??
Yeah dude, if you press his pfp it’ll take you to his channel, he’s legit
Straight up name dropped. Love the channel. Inspired me to take up the hobby.
This channel is like a goldmine during the quarantine , I'm glad I subscribed years ago to scam school first ,and now we have this
Brian: "Alright, look. You gotta hit this guy dead center. We gotta kill him once and for all."
Jason: Let me do you one better.
Boom ! Headshot !
So the video testing penetrating power is sponsored by Roman - the Erectile Dysfunction service.
Hmm.
...of some note there in the library of books in the shot stands out, The Black Hole.
Well as city guys that are queezy it makes sense
Another important advantage of an Atlatl is that it's easier to aim and use correctly, even easier than throwing.
yeah! I was really amazed by the difference in that!
It's a sling for spears/javelin rather than stones. However, it has nothing on a bow because the bow stores the energy rather than the person. You also can use much smaller shafts with a bow.
“Don’t throw sharp objects” If only the Modern Rogue listened to their own intro splash text, the injury counter would be so much lower.
@@RICDirector That is true, fair play to you.
but then they wouldn't have nearly as many subscribers, and way less entertaining videos... The channel is called the modern rogue, not the modern resident sleeper
looks like if modern rogue goes down the drain, jason has a future job in being the expert that goes on other peoples channels to throw atlatls lol
id be interested in a "the modern rogue can treat any injury" episode a how too on stabilizing people with arrow, stab, shot wounds. No relevance to this episode or channels history, just a suggestion.
No one:
Brian: "oh my god... oh my it's so deep... it went in inches deep."
in the first video i have ever seen them (or anyone) do a sponsorship with an erectile dysfunction company
@@cannonfodder8907 Nah they've been sponsored with Roman for a long time, but the amount of innuendos in this video is a gold mine.
@@azthall4645 i don't really frequent the channel that often i mainly see them talk about nordvpn
He went a little creamer nutty
Other roman ads:
First card episode with dev
There’s another one with a sandwich innuendo
You guys should do an episode making ballistic jell or homemade ballistic jell, that way we could see what this would actually be like vs fleshy things.
I think they have
They didn't not do that
@Aniquin what are you talking about, the best realistic homemade target is a baby
they've literally already done that
th-cam.com/video/h6qRA-aYQP0/w-d-xo.html
ballistic gel isn't an analog for flesh, it's a consistent test medium
I think the breaking off thing is a real thing and they still do it if you accidentally impale yourself onto something sharp. The idea is that the object might have punctured a big blood vessel, and that removing it would cause massive bleeding trauma, so its better not to run the risk. By leaving it 'plugged' at least you reduce the risk of severe bleeding trauma which can kill you in minutes, and instead deal with that when you arrive at the ER/Surgery when proper measures against the bleeding can more easily be taken.
Only one little fix: we don't _break_ things anymore; usually we use saws to remove the part that sticks out of the body with little movement; yeah, even in old times breaking was much less traumatic than pulling it out, but just the movement and force of breaking off an arrow tip can pretty much turn the point of the arrow into a shank moving around your insides, which is about as pleasant as it sounds.
4:46 close your eyes, listen and enjoy
OMG i died crying when he said "it went inches deep!"
I did not enjoy this at all.
That took me off guard.
Thanks I hate it
Brian: finish him off
Jason: *hits him in the face*
does...does someone want to send Jason a decent studio mic? like surely you have one spare at the studio...
If there is two extra, send one to me
they just need to record with the mic that's in front of him, not after zoom/skype
I have no idea whether that very last scene in the video is actually directly talking about Modern Rogue or it was a perfectly fitting clip that you just found, but it's a perfect description of this channel.
I was hoping Ch-Ild was going to be in it... But no it has to be Dave. Woo...
I suspect the video would get flagged if we penetrated the Ch-ILD.
@@ModernRogue *FBI OPEN UP*
The Modern Rogue lol
@@ModernRogue you make a great point
I was hoping for President kardashian or maybe evil pat sajack
Christ, it looks like even the shoulder hit would have been disabling. That thing is no joke.
Haven't heard "Go away bad guys!" In a while. Kinda disappointed
Nice effect on the end, I use the same after effects plugin. But remember sound is everything! I was almost convinced it was a clip taken from olden times lol
I'm by no means a medical professional, so anyone who _is_ should feel free to correct me here, but it's my understanding that breaking the arrow off can cause more problems down the line -- you only want to do that if the arrow shaft would wind up being jostled and moving the sharp arrowhead around inside the wound, and you lack the means to remove or immobilize it; depending on where and how deep the wound is, it may even be safer to snap off the fletching and push the arrow the rest of the way through, as pulling the arrowhead back out can cause severe damage. Ideally, though, you want to keep the arrowhead from causing further damage until it can be safely removed, and while snapping off part of the shaft can aid in that if you immobilize what's left, it can make the extraction more difficult if you break off too _much_ of the shaft.
That’s definitely true with broadheads and such, but with bodkins or sharpened-stick arrows it’s probably safer to pull it out from the direction it entered as the canal shouldn’t be much bigger than the arrowhead itself. I’m not a medical professional either so take that with a grain of salt.
It's actually really important to leave things in the wound, as they help prevent bleeding.if someone has a knife sticking out of their arm, you try to close the sides of the wounds around the knife. I'm also qualified in first aid, and have had to refresh the test every year for more than I can count. Not sure about snapping the arrow off though.
Spammy That much I do know from some basic armed forces medical training but I assumed this was in a situation where bleeding isn’t as much of an issue, like in a medical ward of some kind
@@Unknownmonkey13 I would assume that the unlucky person would be put into emergency surgery (depending on the severity) as soon as possible to reduce the likelihood of complications like sepsis
@@spammy3164 Unless of course we're in a time period where that's not possible, like the dark ages for example.
I legit discovered these guys like 2 days ago and probably have watched like 78 hours worth of their content
Pace yourself!
@@TheStrangerous this just made my day
Fff CGZ you may reset the injury counter if you don’t
@@ocloud7389 Hopefully not, I wouldn't want to take that record from Brian eith all his hand injuries. Hopefully he's all good
How can you consume 78 hours of content in a 48 hour period?
Glad to see Dave is practicing proper social distancing, and staying thirty feet away from you guys!
That's excessive social distancing! The official suggested distance is only 2 meters.
@@ObeyCamp I mean, I hope you're allowed to be more than two metres away from other people. If the CDC's guideline is that you keep the entire population within a 2-3 metre radius, we have way bigger problems than I thought. XD
"But don't worry! I have an eighth of an inch of plastic in front of my face." That's the Modern Rogue motto. Along with "Reset the counter!"
This was great! I discovered your channel through the first Atlatl episode. This was a wonderful callback.
Atlatl is actually a shortening of the full name: atlantaatlanta
Please. If it were named that, it would just get really, really close to hitting the target before falling apart spontaneously.
That water tank needs some Flex Seal
Something that might help you with your throw - don't think of the atlatl as a tool like a bow, instead think of it as an extra length of your arm. It allows you to whip it harder and be closer when you release allowing your aim to be more precise. Thanks for making this video!
I gotta say, Jason is not throwing that well. I've made these, I own a couple, I've used them lots. Jason was garbo on those throws. Brain was about decent though. But like you say, we don't come to the modern rogue for professionalism. In fact, we'd be a little disappoint if you did stuff good. But with a real solid atlatl throw, you could definitely make it out the other side of Dave. It's some real shit.
Heh. I was totally thinking "oh, man... if you came to this channel to watch people be awesome at everything they try..."
Glad you're on board with us, friend.
@@ModernRogue Oh ya, it's just these ones that are framed as a test that get me wanting to stay stuff, just because I know that the atlatl could do such more in this case. But I gotta un-clench my b-hole about this stuff. Even the tests are supposed to be fun, not scientific. Science adjacent. I don't know, maybe if you threw in a clip of a professional doing it good, just to show like "hey, this is how it's supposed to work", it would shut the needs like me up. Anyhow, I really love all these videos lately. Seriously my favorite youtube channel, I always stop whatever else I'm doing to watch The Modern Rogue 100% of the time.
Could a dart like we saw pierce bone? What would a shot to the cheek do to a person/animal?
You forgot to add that the early hunting ones had tips that were meant to come off in the wound. Some were hardened wood, some were bone. Most had several barbs
@@Odood19 Peirce bone, like a skull? If you throw it hard enough, I'd say so. Probably not the forehead, but the back of the head I wouldn't doubt. From a shot like poor Dave took here, but with good technique: he's not recovering from that. That's a dead Dave. Ultimately, even considering the added weight of an atlatl dart, a bow is altogether a superior weapon I'd say. Speed is more important, and a bow has much more speed. But if you hit a deer, say, with a good atlatl throw, you can be pretty confident that it's going down.
That might have been the best Seinfeld impression I've ever seen. It was perfect!
Ha! Thanks :)
- Modern Rogue Editor
You should never take anything that has pierced you out. Chances are the spear or arrow or knife or whatever is applying force to a blood vessel and not allowing it to bleed out, so keeping it in allows you to survive for longer
Yes! if two clips ever get paired together, it has to be Jason screaming at the loss of net neutrality and his throw with the atlatl.
Glad you guys are still pumping things out. Stay safe!
-Brandt's- Seinfeld bit at the end may very well be my favorite bit, addition, or video he's ever made on this channel!
Thank you, but it was me (John Rael)
- Modern Rogue Editor
Damn! Sorry, I thought for once I could keep everyone straight. Great bit, though, you put that together really well!
@@micahphilson no worries. I'm glad you dug it!
When the spear hit the dummy in the face, the glasses rose up as if he was surprised.
Thanks for keeping the Modern Rogue videos coming
The Aztecs: Atlatl
My dumb ass: Atlatlatlatlatlatlatlatlatlatlatlatl
BATMAN!
6:10 The answer is yes, they have found a lot of examples of darts where the shaft and the head were two parts and some of the earliest were actually hollow antler tips so that the shaft fell out and the wound stayed open and the animal would bleed out faster. It was easier to replace the head of the dart than the whole dart during a time when most of the world was tundra. reindeer antlers were plentiful, and trees were rare.
I've just realised, this channel is the epitome of the "this is fine" comic strip.
The spanish conquistadors that beat the Aztecs documented that the bolts thrown by an atlatl could penetrate their steel breastplates..
John's standup at the end is amazing
Carb King teleport the bread!!
I personally was not impressed.
The woomera is one of the Australian versions of this and that thing was deadly. A highly skilled hunter could apparently kill with it up to 100m. The Noongar resistance fighter Yagan was said to have hit the top of a walking stick he had stuck into the ground with 1 throw at I think 30m and was able to get a spear head like 3 inches deep into a tree trunk. I've heard plenty of other insane feats done with them and I want to learn someday
The "that's how they getcha" rant at 8:31 is a great Tommy Boy Farley impression!
"How Powerful is an Atlatl?" Apparently powerful enough to crash my computer's operating system when the video got to 2:28! Unless it was just a coincidence...
Just as a fun side note we are pursuit predators, the reason we created things like the Atlatl was make our prey not run as far before collapsing from blood loss/exhaustion, often what would happen is a group of anywhere from 4 or more men would go out and find game, they would strike it and of course it would run for its life having large spears sticking out of its side, but we as pursuit predators couldn't run that fast but what we could do was just keep going, we would follow a blood trail and just jog mostly until we came across the game that had been wounded, if it still had enough energy to run we would sneak up on it again hit it with another spear or multiple and once again as it ran for its life we would jog it down rinse repeat until said prey was to weak to run away or fight back then slit its throat with a flint knapped knife and bam dinner for the next couple of weeks.
Think of it this way imagine being like a large antelope of some kind back 10,000 years or so and you get attacked by the strange predator, or of course run for your life and when you feel safe and relax finally thinking you escaped whatever was trying to kill you only to just SHOW UP again to try and kill you AGAIN.
You guys are my absolute favorite. I truly appreciate your work, and it is helping people like me through these hard times. Thank you from the bottom of my heart.
Wow, thank you!
Liked just for that post-ad video
"Let's make this the shortest episode..."
Well, there's two ways to do that,
1. Succeed,
2. Die trying.
For future archery episodes, they have really cheap broadhead wrenches, they cover all the bladed parts and are a very useful piece of safety equipment. Huge fan of all your topics, keep that counter high and keep the fascinating content rolling!
The Hunt Primitive channel has a lot of atlatl hunts, even a couple for bison. He's THE authority on all things primitive hunting and weapons wise.
Another Modern Rogue video I’m liking 50 seconds in because the banter is just too good😂 atlatl
Man, that moment at 6:07 when he's pulling it out from behind the mannequin, I thought for sure it was gonna tilt up and slice his arm.
There's a video on here of a 7 year old killing a deer with an Atlatl. They're pretty powerful.
Yep! Recently made it legal to use them in Missouri!
@The Modern Rogue Btw they used split feather quills and slid them into the wound around the arrow to cover up the points so they could pull the arrow out without making a bigger wound or hurting he person 👌
Brian’s laugh is unmatchable
Now I'm just waiting for the how to throw spear lesson
That headshot though... A shot through the cheek like that could hit the maxillary or carotid arteries depending on the angle and how the dart deflects off the jawbone. I'd like to see what this could do to real bone. If any archers are here, do you know if broadheads can break bone?
Brian's camera and mic: god tier
Murphy's potato- I mean camera:
When I've made homemade versions, I've actually splintered both arrows (as in, normal-sized arrows) as well as launchers. I've splintered arrows both at launch and upon hitting targets as soft as cardboard because the arrow bends and snaps.
When this whole quarantine thing is over do u think yall could do an understanding sake (Japanese rice wine) video
That's a great idea.
I could be completely wrong on this since I haven't done physics since high school but if I remember correctly, being able to throw twice as long (which seems to be the case) would correspond to 8x the power according to the square-cube law.
That means that the atlatl is damn deadly when used by a professional.
Dave is the definition of awesome. He took those hits without an expression
I don't know if someone's mentioned this already, but as I understand it, in Paleolithic times (or whenever the atlatl was actually being used), the arrowheads were designed to stay in the animal, but the impact popped the spear off. The hunter would have a pouch of arrowheads and as they were chasing the prey, they'd just pick up the atlatl, put another arrowhead in the end and chuck it again, so the spear was retrieveable, since it was unlikely that even a few of these thrown by multiple hunters would take down a woolly mammoth or whatever. Spears and fletching was probably more difficult to source/make than arrowheads, I'm guessing, so it was much more functional to have a retrievable spear and not have your prey run away with it.
I'm sure I got something wrong in that description, but that's the gist anyway.
Jason with glasses looks like a beady eyed doctor himself
the "tl" is pronounced with a sound not used in English. go to make a "t" sound and then open from the sides of your tongue instead of the front. you should end up with your tongue in an "L" position.
If you're familiar with the Welsh double L sound it's like that with a "t" on the front.
Ahtllahtl
(From what i know) When you break off an arrow it’s because you are in the middle of the battlefield and sometimes it a a last hurrah for those who are probably going to die. You can’t dress a wound in the field like that it’s like removing a fish hook removing it requires putting it all the way through.
Best exit clip yet!
Make a pokey is a new official term in ERs all over ther country. Thank you gentlemen! Love this channel
Throughout history, combat surgeons figured the only way to remove a broadhead is to either 1. Cut into the wound channel and dig it out, or 2. Push it all the way through. Pushing it through was the preferred method.
Option 1. only really applies if you know where the arrowhead is, and cutting it out won't cause worse damage. Not really an option in most cases.
Option 2. is part of the reason combat surgeons would break the arrow shaft just before the fletchings -- if you're going to push the arrow/dart all the way through the other side, you don't semi-rigid want feathers ripping through the wound (the feathers can still cut and tear soft tissue, or leave residue that can get infected). Plus -- especially in the Middle Ages -- war arrows were generally tapered: thicker at the head (front), thinner at the nock (back).
There's really not much hope trying to pull a broadhead out the way it went in...
This is the first time I’ve seen one of your videos pop up in my recommended and my subscriptions, even though I’m subscribed and have notifications on :/
Edit: I missed 9 videos in total wth TH-cam
Anybody else getting some FPS Doug vibes? BOOM Headshot! Nice shot, Jason!
As an avid gamer, Im so surprised I have never seen this weapon before, I've seen spears, but I didn't know you could have a device to chuck them like that, so cool!
So, when you throw an atlatl, you want the tip of your thrower to travel in essentially a straight line, and follow through at the end like throwing a baseball. The idea is that the flexible atlatl dart flexes against the throwing stick and springs off towards the target.
9:06 SEINFELD
You mean to say I get to watch Jason throw sharp at DAVE things _AND_ we get a hilarious comedy skit too? It's not my birthday, but I'll take that gift.
Wish you both good health, safety and joy
Brian: “let’s make this the shortest video ever and get it right the first time” Me: *notices 6 minutes left in video “well this should be fun”
I have a theory. The modern rogue is a couple of kids from the 80s who recreated the movie BIG and took a time machine to 2015 and try to make others happy through a website they discovered called TH-cam
Maybe you guys could make an episode on sneaking? Like a rogue would? I mean the walking silently, and maybe learning how to follow someone sneakily. Also maybe look into D&D for inspiration, and maybe video games like skyrim or assassins creed? Perhaps combining the knife combat, martial arts training, and finesse of pickpocketing to learn how to sneak attack?
I really like this idea.
There was a sort of similar weapon in medieval and renaissance Europe, known nowadays mostly as the fletched javelin, these were mean looking things, sort of like a giant arrow, with a massive broad point, they sometimes show up in period artwork with small strings tied to the shaft that serve a similar purpose to the spear-thrower or the atlatl, which as far as I understand it is actually the lever you use to throw those javelins, not the javelin itself.
It just gets funnier and funnier! Y'all are the best!
I love how they didn’t stretch the video out to 10 minutes
The arrow breaking off instead of pulling is the right thing to do i think. while the arrow is sticking in still it kinda blocks some bleeding whereas when you pull it out, the blood will be able to flow inblocked plus you might do more damage just increasing the wound
Let me help you out Brian, I’ll turn this into the shortest MR episode of all time.
The Atlatl does exactly what it’s designed for.
DONE!
Every second of this video I have said “that’s what she said” and other times it’s just laughing at innuendos. THE MODERN ROGUE!!!!
In regards to removing barbed broadheads, there were medieval accounts of needing to use goose quills to remove the point.
That Seinfeld impression at the end was spot on XD
Ayy notification squad you guys make my time in quarantine so much more enjoyable thank you!!! 🖤🖤🖤
Our pleasure!
@@ModernRogue I promise the pleasure is mine XD
@@ModernRogue I get to sit here with weed and tacos and just kick back. 😂😂😂
You should do a video on different types of arrow-heads
If you sharpen that broadhead it'll penetrate better! Honestly, a few minutes lapping will produce surprising increases in sharpness
Great video!
On the next episode of the modern rogue. Can brian and Jason throw bullets hard enough to kill someone.
I have seen a video by experimental archeologists who killed a bison with an atlatl from 30m distance. the tip coming out 2 feet from the other side. It was jumping and running for maybe 20 sec before collapsing. They processed the whole animal as part of the experiment too.
They should have renamed this episode "Testing the Penetrating Power of an Atlatl on Dave"
Safety glasses are overrated. We all have our safety squints built right in!
Not to beat a dead horseman, but Dave has been asking for it for a while.
0:44 I thought that said atlatl protestors at first which reminded me of that dude with the bow at the protest
5:10 what u doing to Dave hmm?
3:20 I love that shout out