How Powerful is an Atlatl?
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I think that this test wasn't done properly, the atlatl spear is meant to be used with the device because of its lighter weight and lack of proper throwing spear shape
A spear for normal throwing would be much heavier and have much more penetration power
I think this should be redone if possible with a spear thrower and someone that is used to/ a professional with the atlatl
Can yall do some videos on privacy again?
Is this US only?
The Modern Rogue “guess who’s getting our penetrating power... DAVE”
New Myth Busters
Should we tell them there's a big variety of arrow heads that effect penetration and wound size?
Sssshhhhhhhhh let them believe in the power of the Broadhead lol
Wouldn’t it be dart tips? Since the Atlatl projectile is called a dart?
Nathaniel Dumas technically yes but they use the same threaded insert as a arrow maybe even crossbow bolt? I don’t like crossbows that much so I couldn’t tell you for sure.
Or if it was heavier it would penetrate and have more power when thrown without the atlatl
Nathan Woo Get them to put a hollow point arrowhead on it. Hahaha
😂😂😂 Wasn’t expecting to hear my name. Nice video, as usual. 👍
PS- Hilarious outro!!!
is this really you??
Yeah dude, if you press his pfp it’ll take you to his channel, he’s legit
Straight up name dropped. Love the channel. Inspired me to take up the hobby.
So the video testing penetrating power is sponsored by Roman - the Erectile Dysfunction service.
Hmm.
...of some note there in the library of books in the shot stands out, The Black Hole.
Well as city guys that are queezy it makes sense
Brian: "Alright, look. You gotta hit this guy dead center. We gotta kill him once and for all."
Jason: Let me do you one better.
Boom ! Headshot !
Announcer: **H E A D S H O T**
“Don’t throw sharp objects” If only the Modern Rogue listened to their own intro splash text, the injury counter would be so much lower.
@@RICDirector That is true, fair play to you.
but then they wouldn't have nearly as many subscribers, and way less entertaining videos... The channel is called the modern rogue, not the modern resident sleeper
This channel is like a goldmine during the quarantine , I'm glad I subscribed years ago to scam school first ,and now we have this
Another important advantage of an Atlatl is that it's easier to aim and use correctly, even easier than throwing.
yeah! I was really amazed by the difference in that!
looks like if modern rogue goes down the drain, jason has a future job in being the expert that goes on other peoples channels to throw atlatls lol
id be interested in a "the modern rogue can treat any injury" episode a how too on stabilizing people with arrow, stab, shot wounds. No relevance to this episode or channels history, just a suggestion.
You guys should do an episode making ballistic jell or homemade ballistic jell, that way we could see what this would actually be like vs fleshy things.
I think they have
They didn't not do that
@Aniquin what are you talking about, the best realistic homemade target is a baby
they've literally already done that
th-cam.com/video/h6qRA-aYQP0/w-d-xo.html
ballistic gel isn't an analog for flesh, it's a consistent test medium
No one:
Brian: "oh my god... oh my it's so deep... it went in inches deep."
in the first video i have ever seen them (or anyone) do a sponsorship with an erectile dysfunction company
@@cannonfodder8907 Nah they've been sponsored with Roman for a long time, but the amount of innuendos in this video is a gold mine.
@@azthall4645 i don't really frequent the channel that often i mainly see them talk about nordvpn
He went a little creamer nutty
Other roman ads:
First card episode with dev
There’s another one with a sandwich innuendo
4:46 close your eyes, listen and enjoy
OMG i died crying when he said "it went inches deep!"
I did not enjoy this at all.
That took me off guard.
Thanks I hate it
I think the breaking off thing is a real thing and they still do it if you accidentally impale yourself onto something sharp. The idea is that the object might have punctured a big blood vessel, and that removing it would cause massive bleeding trauma, so its better not to run the risk. By leaving it 'plugged' at least you reduce the risk of severe bleeding trauma which can kill you in minutes, and instead deal with that when you arrive at the ER/Surgery when proper measures against the bleeding can more easily be taken.
Only one little fix: we don't _break_ things anymore; usually we use saws to remove the part that sticks out of the body with little movement; yeah, even in old times breaking was much less traumatic than pulling it out, but just the movement and force of breaking off an arrow tip can pretty much turn the point of the arrow into a shank moving around your insides, which is about as pleasant as it sounds.
I was hoping Ch-Ild was going to be in it... But no it has to be Dave. Woo...
I suspect the video would get flagged if we penetrated the Ch-ILD.
@@ModernRogue *FBI OPEN UP*
The Modern Rogue lol
@@ModernRogue you make a great point
I was hoping for President kardashian or maybe evil pat sajack
Haven't heard "Go away bad guys!" In a while. Kinda disappointed
Christ, it looks like even the shoulder hit would have been disabling. That thing is no joke.
Brian: finish him off
Jason: *hits him in the face*
does...does someone want to send Jason a decent studio mic? like surely you have one spare at the studio...
If there is two extra, send one to me
they just need to record with the mic that's in front of him, not after zoom/skype
Atlatl is actually a shortening of the full name: atlantaatlanta
Please. If it were named that, it would just get really, really close to hitting the target before falling apart spontaneously.
Glad to see Dave is practicing proper social distancing, and staying thirty feet away from you guys!
That's excessive social distancing! The official suggested distance is only 2 meters.
@@NickC_222 I mean, I hope you're allowed to be more than two metres away from other people. If the CDC's guideline is that you keep the entire population within a 2-3 metre radius, we have way bigger problems than I thought. XD
That water tank needs some Flex Seal
I have no idea whether that very last scene in the video is actually directly talking about Modern Rogue or it was a perfectly fitting clip that you just found, but it's a perfect description of this channel.
When the spear hit the dummy in the face, the glasses rose up as if he was surprised.
I legit discovered these guys like 2 days ago and probably have watched like 78 hours worth of their content
Pace yourself!
@@TheStrangerous this just made my day
Fff CGZ you may reset the injury counter if you don’t
@@ocloud7389 Hopefully not, I wouldn't want to take that record from Brian eith all his hand injuries. Hopefully he's all good
How can you consume 78 hours of content in a 48 hour period?
"But don't worry! I have an eighth of an inch of plastic in front of my face." That's the Modern Rogue motto. Along with "Reset the counter!"
This was great! I discovered your channel through the first Atlatl episode. This was a wonderful callback.
Glad you guys are still pumping things out. Stay safe!
You guys are my absolute favorite. I truly appreciate your work, and it is helping people like me through these hard times. Thank you from the bottom of my heart.
Wow, thank you!
Nice effect on the end, I use the same after effects plugin. But remember sound is everything! I was almost convinced it was a clip taken from olden times lol
I'm by no means a medical professional, so anyone who _is_ should feel free to correct me here, but it's my understanding that breaking the arrow off can cause more problems down the line -- you only want to do that if the arrow shaft would wind up being jostled and moving the sharp arrowhead around inside the wound, and you lack the means to remove or immobilize it; depending on where and how deep the wound is, it may even be safer to snap off the fletching and push the arrow the rest of the way through, as pulling the arrowhead back out can cause severe damage. Ideally, though, you want to keep the arrowhead from causing further damage until it can be safely removed, and while snapping off part of the shaft can aid in that if you immobilize what's left, it can make the extraction more difficult if you break off too _much_ of the shaft.
That’s definitely true with broadheads and such, but with bodkins or sharpened-stick arrows it’s probably safer to pull it out from the direction it entered as the canal shouldn’t be much bigger than the arrowhead itself. I’m not a medical professional either so take that with a grain of salt.
It's actually really important to leave things in the wound, as they help prevent bleeding.if someone has a knife sticking out of their arm, you try to close the sides of the wounds around the knife. I'm also qualified in first aid, and have had to refresh the test every year for more than I can count. Not sure about snapping the arrow off though.
Spammy That much I do know from some basic armed forces medical training but I assumed this was in a situation where bleeding isn’t as much of an issue, like in a medical ward of some kind
@@Unknownmonkey13 I would assume that the unlucky person would be put into emergency surgery (depending on the severity) as soon as possible to reduce the likelihood of complications like sepsis
@@spammy3164 Unless of course we're in a time period where that's not possible, like the dark ages for example.
You should never take anything that has pierced you out. Chances are the spear or arrow or knife or whatever is applying force to a blood vessel and not allowing it to bleed out, so keeping it in allows you to survive for longer
Damn this channel is finally blowing up, I've been watching for a while now and I knew you were going to get big one day
Now I'm just waiting for the how to throw spear lesson
I gotta say, Jason is not throwing that well. I've made these, I own a couple, I've used them lots. Jason was garbo on those throws. Brain was about decent though. But like you say, we don't come to the modern rogue for professionalism. In fact, we'd be a little disappoint if you did stuff good. But with a real solid atlatl throw, you could definitely make it out the other side of Dave. It's some real shit.
Heh. I was totally thinking "oh, man... if you came to this channel to watch people be awesome at everything they try..."
Glad you're on board with us, friend.
@@ModernRogue Oh ya, it's just these ones that are framed as a test that get me wanting to stay stuff, just because I know that the atlatl could do such more in this case. But I gotta un-clench my b-hole about this stuff. Even the tests are supposed to be fun, not scientific. Science adjacent. I don't know, maybe if you threw in a clip of a professional doing it good, just to show like "hey, this is how it's supposed to work", it would shut the needs like me up. Anyhow, I really love all these videos lately. Seriously my favorite youtube channel, I always stop whatever else I'm doing to watch The Modern Rogue 100% of the time.
Could a dart like we saw pierce bone? What would a shot to the cheek do to a person/animal?
You forgot to add that the early hunting ones had tips that were meant to come off in the wound. Some were hardened wood, some were bone. Most had several barbs
@@Odood19 Peirce bone, like a skull? If you throw it hard enough, I'd say so. Probably not the forehead, but the back of the head I wouldn't doubt. From a shot like poor Dave took here, but with good technique: he's not recovering from that. That's a dead Dave. Ultimately, even considering the added weight of an atlatl dart, a bow is altogether a superior weapon I'd say. Speed is more important, and a bow has much more speed. But if you hit a deer, say, with a good atlatl throw, you can be pretty confident that it's going down.
Yes! if two clips ever get paired together, it has to be Jason screaming at the loss of net neutrality and his throw with the atlatl.
9:06 SEINFELD
Something that might help you with your throw - don't think of the atlatl as a tool like a bow, instead think of it as an extra length of your arm. It allows you to whip it harder and be closer when you release allowing your aim to be more precise. Thanks for making this video!
Man, that moment at 6:07 when he's pulling it out from behind the mannequin, I thought for sure it was gonna tilt up and slice his arm.
I've just realised, this channel is the epitome of the "this is fine" comic strip.
Thanks for keeping the Modern Rogue videos coming
John's standup at the end is amazing
Carb King teleport the bread!!
I personally was not impressed.
For future archery episodes, they have really cheap broadhead wrenches, they cover all the bladed parts and are a very useful piece of safety equipment. Huge fan of all your topics, keep that counter high and keep the fascinating content rolling!
"How Powerful is an Atlatl?" Apparently powerful enough to crash my computer's operating system when the video got to 2:28! Unless it was just a coincidence...
When this whole quarantine thing is over do u think yall could do an understanding sake (Japanese rice wine) video
That's a great idea.
Jason with glasses looks like a beady eyed doctor himself
That might have been the best Seinfeld impression I've ever seen. It was perfect!
Ha! Thanks :)
- Modern Rogue Editor
The Aztecs: Atlatl
My dumb ass: Atlatlatlatlatlatlatlatlatlatlatlatl
BATMAN!
There's a video on here of a 7 year old killing a deer with an Atlatl. They're pretty powerful.
Yep! Recently made it legal to use them in Missouri!
Great simple video. Thanks.
"Let's make this the shortest episode..."
Well, there's two ways to do that,
1. Succeed,
2. Die trying.
-Brandt's- Seinfeld bit at the end may very well be my favorite bit, addition, or video he's ever made on this channel!
Thank you, but it was me (John Rael)
- Modern Rogue Editor
Damn! Sorry, I thought for once I could keep everyone straight. Great bit, though, you put that together really well!
@@micahphilson no worries. I'm glad you dug it!
Brian’s laugh is unmatchable
Another Modern Rogue video I’m liking 50 seconds in because the banter is just too good😂 atlatl
It just gets funnier and funnier! Y'all are the best!
Dave is the definition of awesome. He took those hits without an expression
Make a pokey is a new official term in ERs all over ther country. Thank you gentlemen! Love this channel
The "that's how they getcha" rant at 8:31 is a great Tommy Boy Farley impression!
Just as a fun side note we are pursuit predators, the reason we created things like the Atlatl was make our prey not run as far before collapsing from blood loss/exhaustion, often what would happen is a group of anywhere from 4 or more men would go out and find game, they would strike it and of course it would run for its life having large spears sticking out of its side, but we as pursuit predators couldn't run that fast but what we could do was just keep going, we would follow a blood trail and just jog mostly until we came across the game that had been wounded, if it still had enough energy to run we would sneak up on it again hit it with another spear or multiple and once again as it ran for its life we would jog it down rinse repeat until said prey was to weak to run away or fight back then slit its throat with a flint knapped knife and bam dinner for the next couple of weeks.
Think of it this way imagine being like a large antelope of some kind back 10,000 years or so and you get attacked by the strange predator, or of course run for your life and when you feel safe and relax finally thinking you escaped whatever was trying to kill you only to just SHOW UP again to try and kill you AGAIN.
Great video!
The woomera is one of the Australian versions of this and that thing was deadly. A highly skilled hunter could apparently kill with it up to 100m. The Noongar resistance fighter Yagan was said to have hit the top of a walking stick he had stuck into the ground with 1 throw at I think 30m and was able to get a spear head like 3 inches deep into a tree trunk. I've heard plenty of other insane feats done with them and I want to learn someday
The Hunt Primitive channel has a lot of atlatl hunts, even a couple for bison. He's THE authority on all things primitive hunting and weapons wise.
This is the first time I’ve seen one of your videos pop up in my recommended and my subscriptions, even though I’m subscribed and have notifications on :/
Edit: I missed 9 videos in total wth TH-cam
Wish you both good health, safety and joy
On the next episode of the modern rogue. Can brian and Jason throw bullets hard enough to kill someone.
Love this channel
@The Modern Rogue Btw they used split feather quills and slid them into the wound around the arrow to cover up the points so they could pull the arrow out without making a bigger wound or hurting he person 👌
Liked just for that post-ad video
That headshot though... A shot through the cheek like that could hit the maxillary or carotid arteries depending on the angle and how the dart deflects off the jawbone. I'd like to see what this could do to real bone. If any archers are here, do you know if broadheads can break bone?
love this guys
6:10 The answer is yes, they have found a lot of examples of darts where the shaft and the head were two parts and some of the earliest were actually hollow antler tips so that the shaft fell out and the wound stayed open and the animal would bleed out faster. It was easier to replace the head of the dart than the whole dart during a time when most of the world was tundra. reindeer antlers were plentiful, and trees were rare.
the "tl" is pronounced with a sound not used in English. go to make a "t" sound and then open from the sides of your tongue instead of the front. you should end up with your tongue in an "L" position.
If you're familiar with the Welsh double L sound it's like that with a "t" on the front.
Ahtllahtl
Brian's camera and mic: god tier
Murphy's potato- I mean camera:
You should do a video on different types of arrow-heads
3:20 I love that shout out
So, when you throw an atlatl, you want the tip of your thrower to travel in essentially a straight line, and follow through at the end like throwing a baseball. The idea is that the flexible atlatl dart flexes against the throwing stick and springs off towards the target.
Anybody else getting some FPS Doug vibes? BOOM Headshot! Nice shot, Jason!
Best exit clip yet!
A tip on javelin technique. Place the javelin between your index and third fingers behind the javelin grip. Close the rest of your hand over the grip. You stand side on looking at where you want to throw pull your throwing arm back a d let rip. Then you can throw the javelin.
Great video!! The Atlatl is the only primitive weapon that I haven't used :-(
As an avid gamer, Im so surprised I have never seen this weapon before, I've seen spears, but I didn't know you could have a device to chuck them like that, so cool!
John rael standup. I need more.
That Seinfeld impression at the end was spot on XD
There was a sort of similar weapon in medieval and renaissance Europe, known nowadays mostly as the fletched javelin, these were mean looking things, sort of like a giant arrow, with a massive broad point, they sometimes show up in period artwork with small strings tied to the shaft that serve a similar purpose to the spear-thrower or the atlatl, which as far as I understand it is actually the lever you use to throw those javelins, not the javelin itself.
Would be awesome to see an episode on treating injuries from weapons (arrows, swords, knives, nunchucks) using scavenged supplies. Mostly what not to do anyway
You guys are great, just try not to hurt yourself to much
"Any direct hit is gonna make a pokey" xD God I love these guys haha
That was pretty funny. Well done.
Hey, try it with a regular arrow. Kinda fun. And I was just using a stick with a notch in it
wait a minute... wasnt this a previous episode? Deja vu! I think I've been in this place before!
I could be completely wrong on this since I haven't done physics since high school but if I remember correctly, being able to throw twice as long (which seems to be the case) would correspond to 8x the power according to the square-cube law.
That means that the atlatl is damn deadly when used by a professional.
ooh this is more like the classic stuff i like
tho i do miss them building stuff
Throughout history, combat surgeons figured the only way to remove a broadhead is to either 1. Cut into the wound channel and dig it out, or 2. Push it all the way through. Pushing it through was the preferred method.
Option 1. only really applies if you know where the arrowhead is, and cutting it out won't cause worse damage. Not really an option in most cases.
Option 2. is part of the reason combat surgeons would break the arrow shaft just before the fletchings -- if you're going to push the arrow/dart all the way through the other side, you don't semi-rigid want feathers ripping through the wound (the feathers can still cut and tear soft tissue, or leave residue that can get infected). Plus -- especially in the Middle Ages -- war arrows were generally tapered: thicker at the head (front), thinner at the nock (back).
There's really not much hope trying to pull a broadhead out the way it went in...
Every second of this video I have said “that’s what she said” and other times it’s just laughing at innuendos. THE MODERN ROGUE!!!!
You mean to say I get to watch Jason throw sharp at DAVE things _AND_ we get a hilarious comedy skit too? It's not my birthday, but I'll take that gift.
The arrow breaking off instead of pulling is the right thing to do i think. while the arrow is sticking in still it kinda blocks some bleeding whereas when you pull it out, the blood will be able to flow inblocked plus you might do more damage just increasing the wound
Oh my God I was just looking at buying an atlatl the other day!!
I’ve never been this early to a video before.
Imagine you two in a walking dead scenario 😂
I have a theory. The modern rogue is a couple of kids from the 80s who recreated the movie BIG and took a time machine to 2015 and try to make others happy through a website they discovered called TH-cam