And not only that,but in neutral he wasn't scared because he was certain you would reset and he'd come back.But in the route he knows You're getting the ending you want and he'd be dead forever.
In the pacifist ending we can see 2 hearts (souls) mixed in Asriel Dreemurr. In a fact, Chara dies and they mix their souls. But, I don't know how he turns into Flowey. When flowery turns into goat, he says "I did weird things when I was flowey." I don't know can you understand me because I am not English. My grammar can be wrong.
@@astraticyt there is no chara in Flowey, cause he is soulless. That's why he can't fell emotions. But the most messed up thing is that Flowey isn't Chara, or some alternate being, some demonic thing that only desires to kill human, no, Flowey was always Asriel, and Asriel never lost control. You see, it's shown in this video, where he says that in the beginning he did everything to help others, just like normal Asriel would do. It's judt without ability to feel emotions, he didn't find satisfaction in that anymore, and the more he did, the more others just annoyed him. In the end they just didn't matter to him anymore, so he started killing them for fun. And that's why when he consumes all the souls he doesn't revert to his old self instantly, cause the moment he did, he could feel once again. But he still continued with his plan because at this point this was his desire, his reason to live. And only through Frisk saving souls of everyone Asriel felt their emotions, desire, and remembered what it is to love again. And once he did, the shame came, and he tried to get rid of us still, when we started calling his soul. And the saddest part is, in the end he will just become flowey again, but still contain all of his memories, and won't be able to feel again. But he won't just turn instantly to crazy murderer, he will still be Asriel. So, when we return to the game, the Flowey who asks us to live Frisk and his friends alone is Asriel, and this is his last wish for them to live happy. As for him though, I don't think there's anything left. I think he just erases himself from existence after everyone leaves. So actually, if we restart the game, we will just make him suffer once again
In this retrospect, Flowey is the embodiment of the player itself. We use our 'powers' for good, to achieve the Neutral/Pacifist ending, to make everyone's lives better, and that should be the end right? Well, since Undertale has so much content, what happens when the happy ending isn't enough? What do we do when we've seen the game's happy ending playthrough after playthrough? After all, when we know what everyone's going to say, that's it. So what if we killed Toriel? Payrus? Undyne? What if we did this, or this? How would character A react to this? And we can always go back, back to the beginning, to avoid consequences. Eventually, some players decide to do the Genocide run, just because they can. And because they 'can,' they 'have' to. This is why the Genocide Run affects the Pacfists run, it's the one thing you cannot escape from, because even resetting won't undo the things you've done... No other game has incorporated the SAVE function as part of the in game universe. Not like Undertale has. It's part of what makes it so brilliant.
IMO Genocide is designed to pretty much be your final playthough of Undertale. It's the final ending, but in the timeline IMO it is the beginning as I believe you play as Chara in all three scenarios and in True Pacifist you are the 8th human, Frisk. Its a name that is kind of given to you. If I didn't have a life, I would play this game a few times to see exactly what kind of connections are made. IMO just from watching other playthoughs it appears like Undertale is similar to Chrono Cross where time keeps moving at a steady pace but instead there are different dimensions, which are shaped by decisions that Chara makes. And like Chrono Cross there is a moment where all three dimensions align and that is when you are in New Home.
"At least we are better than all those pathetic people who is just watching but can't do it themselves" I think Flowey is right about the viewers who can't play but are watching this video.
cao Christina Hey! What if you can't play because your computer sucks and you're under age to get a job even! No matter. I'll just play genocide in real life. K -)
If you aren't happy with the endings, try dodging every credit in the credit scene and try beating glyde.. It's a *SICK* fight... (This is a not-funny joke ;-;)
Hold up, he can go back to save points, started off using his powers for good, realized the "NPC's" always repeated themselves, and then tried killing them all because he "didn't enjoy this but had to know what would happen" Fuck, Flowey is the average Undertale player.
@@hmwhat5429 yeah because every time at the end of his genocide routes he' always get shit on by sans, but we the player are determined enough to beat sans.
The best part about this scene, and the reason it's my favorite in the game, is how it shows that Flowey, despite being a soulless creature who wants only death, is really just a little kid deep down. This is shown best at 5:45 . "Did you hear me calling you...?" The fact he believes that his best friend came back from the dead just because he was calling to them is such a childish idea. He's just a little kid who misses his best friend. And when he finally meets them again and talks to them, Asriel was so pure and loved Chara so much that even Flowey just wants to live happily ever after.
Flowey has so much depth to him that many neglect to realize, simply writing him off as "the villian" without second thought. It's scenes like this that make him my favorite character.
Agh, I know.. I like to think that's what did happen, inevitably. The good thing about not knowing entirely how Frisk's life played out after the Pacifist run is that it's all up to the imagination. I think that if Frisk really did want to save Asriel, they would know that the most possible way to do that would be by befriending Flowey. Maybe Frisk couldn't save Asriel, but at the very least they could help Flowey understand that he isn't alone.
Flowey wouldn't be able to live on the surface. He didn't start attacking people just because he was curious, it was a desperate attempt to feel something for his loved ones again brought upon by his sadness and isolation. Had he still had the ability to feel and love he would have never done that. He wasn't thinking clearly and because even that failed to bring the real him back he went insane and began attacking in anger and hatred at himself and his inability to feel.
Without a soul he would eventually (as would everyone else in his position) succumb to that grief and start attacking again and eventually go mad again. He never stopped wanting to care and he never stopped wanting to love even when he becomes maliciously insane, and it's that reason that this happened because wanting to love and being unable to love would tear you apart.
At first I hated flowey. I didn't even remotely like him. But after learning his backstory and all that happened to him, I realised how much of a deep character he is, and how much thought was put into his development. This game really is surprising
what a shame Same here, I didn't liked Flowey the first time I played this game. However, after seeing who he really was and his backstory, he became my second favorite Character (My favorite is Papyrus)
@@squishydogstudios5430 The "villains" Seriously, no character from Undertale can be confirmed to be the true villain without a doubt - not even Chara/ The Fallen Human
@@mparagames Well yeah, true, while flowey is really just poor asriel, he is still the antagonist, I probably should've worded it different lol. So he isn't a villain, but the antagonist, the main threat to the character we play as.
+The Epic Fudge Fifth one. I'm pretty sure Toby had it custom built for the game's release. Lots of excess Kickstarter funding, see?Anyway, it's gone now.
+The Epic Fudge He is already breaking the fourth wall by talking about saves and loads, he is breaking the fifth by talking about knowing that he is being seen on youtube
+TheSingingGamingArtist and if someone was watching a video of someone watching a video of someone playing the game and flowey would talk to them, flowey would break the 6th wall and so on xD
I find the Genocide run of Undertale wholly creepy and disturbing psychologically, but *there's so much to learn!* For example, Flowey's line "Mommy, daddy, somebody help me! ... But nobody came." Is exactly what he tells the player in the neutral ending. He asks them to cry out in the darkness those words, and when, initially, nobody comes, he says "But nobody came". That wasn't a game description, that was his own dialogue. Flowey *wants* other people to suffer exactly like he did, seeing them in pain makes him feel better in an insane sadistic way. You see, Flowey can feel pain, depression, and sorrow, but he can't feel the opposite feelings. "I became despondent." Despondent, meaning loss of hope, courage, spirit. Hope being something that is one of the cornerstones of what a monster soul is responsible for. It gives hope, compassion and love to the monster. As a vessel, he had none of those things. but due to the fact that Asriel's dust intermingled with the seeds, all that was left to do was give it DETERMINATION, which can reanimate, animate anything with the right components, and so popped up Flowey. In his despondency, he realized that all he wanted to do was to love and feel love again. He wanted to *care about someone,* but he couldn't, and so, like Chara, he committed suicide. *But, this is the most interesting part of it all.* EXACTLY like Frisk, he is caught in the void between life and death (GAME OVER screen) and yet he was still conscious. In that moment, he became curious of what would happen if a being without a soul died, and then he realized he didn't want to die in that void, and so, he woke up, *just like you do, when you die.* That line, "like it was all just a bad dream" is used again when Frisk dies to Omega Flowey, and when Frisk is waking up from his encounter with Child Asriel. That bad dream, is death, and somehow both Flowey and Frisk can survive those moments. You can't just peg it on DETERMINATION, because if that was the case why did all those other humans just die and not attempt to keep going? No, something's up. Flowey had this happen to him but... He's just a vessel, an inanimate object. *Why does it happen to the player?* They have a soul, as far as we know, but maybe... and this will take a lot more explaining, but maybe that soul isn't actually theirs... Maybe that soul is Chara's, and Frisk is a conscious human vessel designed to survive no matter what happens to them to break the barrier. But who would've created such a being... Why, non other than Dr. Gaster. Something is definitely not right here, and there are secrets that we are only just now beginning to put together, but whatever's going on, Frisk *is not what they seem.* For example, how come Frisk's determination is strong enough to neutralize Flowey's determination? It shouldn't work like that, but saving and resetting is some strange power that only they can do and it seems like the strongest can do the most, while they others are near powerless to stop them. We know for a fact that Frisk is an anomaly in time and space, and personally, it just doesn't add up. It just doesn't, there's got to be more we can derive, and I'm almost certain it has to do with Dr. Gaster.
+IamCaptainMan Only the most determined in the world can save at one time, there's no other "files", so one person overwrites the other. The goatbros (Asriel and Chara) are the only ones with the ability to SAVE, DETERMINATION is simply the soul persisting after death (a lotta people get this confused with all humans being able to SAVE which makes no sense). The only reason you have this ability as Frisk is because Chara possesses you after falling down; otherwise if Frisk'd had it his whole life, you'd be able to reset out of the mountain and possibly back to their house. Essentially what I'm saying is... you're pretty on point there
+Iceman404 Right... A person, human or monster, is sentient not because of their soul, but because of their minds, and physical bodies. The SOUL does *not* give a being their personality or anything like that, it simply gives Monsters the ability to love, feel hope and compassion, and humans are given innate determination which only gives their SOUL the ability to persist long after death as far as we know. Now, vessels are special in the way that they are inanimate objects or other physical vessels (that could even be the bodies of creatures) that are given the will to live via concentrated doses of DETERMINATION, which can only be derived from human souls. Now, a human without a SOUL has no determination, and due to the level of physical matter they have, it's unknown whether or not they could survive without any. Monsters don't need DT because they aren't made of water or other dense organic material, but their bodies are more closely attuned to their actual souls, giving them the natural ability to cast magic, but also making them more fragile, and even susceptible to their own emotions, seeing as a hopeless, heart broken monster becomes even less physically stable, and becomes easily wounded, which explains why monsters can be easily taken out if they are in a weaker mental state, or drop their emotional guards out of trust for another or out of depression/anxiety. So, a vessel could be made out of practically anything natural, and DT would animate them. Flowey only retained Asriel's personality because his dust spread across the seeds. The dust of a monster's body can be spread on an object, and they would live on that object. Well, with DT, that object would literally become the vessel for that dead monster. (Undyne being a special circumstance where her sheer will to fight helped her last longer than usual via some concentration of DT) Now, if Frisk was a vessel, it would make a lot of sense. Their SOUL is the same as Chara's, and despite the fact that Chara says that it was your DT that they fed off, it doesn't seem like even they know exactly what's going on, but is purely acting cruel and maniacal because they are SOULless. Chara has no SOUL, can change shape, attack with massive amounts of damage, and can take control over Frisk if they succumb to the desire to destroy everything and become strong. To me, it seems like Frisk could be a human that fell into the Underground like everyone else, but they may have been manipulated by a third party. Heck, a stick and a bandage. A bandage that has been used countless times before... But by who? I think that Frisk was a dead human that was reanimated through DT and while their original SOUL has disappeared, they were given a new one, Chara's. From there, the player can give them whatever personality they want. The only other alternative is that Frisk is Chara's reanimated corpse, and Gaster simply used their body for the vessel, but that's unlikely seeing that it would have started to decomposed decades ago. Personally, I think Frisk was a pacifistic kid in life. They can retain that desire to love and make friends from their normal life than they will retain the knowledge of who they are, and eventually even be able to say their name and act just as they were in life. While on the other hand, if they fall into murder, and even worse, genocide, then Frisk will lose all humanity, and Chara's SOUL will take over their minds completely. This is the Player's choice. They can keep true to Frisk and stay pacifistic, or they can allow Chara to take over through murder. I think Chara wants Frisk's SOUL in the ending of a No Mercy run because they are SOULless, and also because Chara probably isn't omniscient. I bet that don't even realize that Frisk's SOUL is Chara's. Only someone with the ability to be everywhere and do anything could set up the Pacifist Ending, start multiple timelines, and make Frisk into a vessel, and I think that would be WD Gaster. He's still trying to help save the monsters, and he knows that whoever's gonna do it needs to be a human that can't die, but will keep cheating death. Dr. Gaster was scattered across time and space, and also delved into the "void" where there is no light. I believe that void is that medium in between life and death, the GAME OVER screen. I think when he says "what do you two think", I think he might be talking to the Player and Sans. Also, every time you see that flash of white light, it acts as a time stamp, signaling an important moment in the timeline. The creation of a new timeline (naming the fallen human), the exit of the ruins, the killing or sparing of Flowey, leaving the Underground with your friends, all of these things. Remember, in a Neutral Ending, nothing happens when you exit that room after fighting Omega Flowey. You get the flash, and the game ending starts to roll. The whole end of the game is a parallel of the start. In actuality, this is meant to force the Player to make that choice, to either be pacifistic, or worst case scenario, choose to succumb to their murderous tendencies. Until they do, the world remains *incomplete,* and will keep requiring the Player to keep going and going until the Underground goes empty one way or another. Asgore hired Gaster to be the Royal Scientist. Remember, the RS is commissioned by Asgore to research and experiment for the King. I think after creating the CORE, Gaster was also delving into time travel, and spoke with Asgore about what this could mean. Asgore would then in trust them with finding a way to get everyone out of the Underground via changing the timelines, but he fell into his own creation and become one with time and space, erased from existence. But at some point, he was able to set this whole plan in motion, one way or another. I think it was his tampering that allowed the Player to use Frisk to rescue everyone. So that's my Frisk Vessel Theory. It's a shame we don't have more info, but I'm just hoping that Toby keeps the content coming because in each segment of the game, there's another piece of the puzzle to be found.
+IamCaptainMan Flowey is the result of an experiment that Asphys made. When Asriel came back from the human world, mortally wounded, he dragged Golden Flower seeds from outside. When Asriel died, he died on top of those seeds, "sprinkling" them with a small amount of the combined mixture of HIS own soul and CHARA'S soul (since he had both inside his body). Eventually, one of those seeds became a flower, and Asphys collected it, took it to the True Lab, and infused it with Determination (which was taken from the rest of Chara's human soul through the use of a machine). The result was Flowey, a monster with Determination but without a true soul. It was because of this that Flowey ended up being the evil creature we all know: his memories are from Asriel, his Determination is from Chara, but his personality and his soul (or whatever half-thing he was for a soul) are a combination of Asriel's and Chara's. That's why despite being so evil and determined, he was still not as evil and determined as Chara himself. That's why he was so afraid of Chara in the end.
Ariel Tapia Have you thought of putting a 's' after the 'A' in your name? No but seriously, yes, exactly. You know what's really interesting is that Frisk is a vessel too. It's a long story, but it's a theory that I've been working on, and I'm confident through available evidence that this is the case.
IamCaptainMan Frisk is indeed a vessel. You see, when Chara died, he was originally buried in the basement of Asgore's castle, but when Toriel "divorced" him, she took Chara's corpse with herself to give it what she believed was a proper burial at the very place where they found Chara for the first time: the very same spot in the Ruins where Frisk fell, complete with a bed of Golden Flowers. When Frisk fell on top of Chara's grave, a portion of Chara's essence was "awakened" by Frisk's Soul and Determination, and that essence entered Frisk's body. When you play the Genocide Route, all the murders that Frisk commits cause Chara's essence inside him to grow stronger, eventually becoming a being on its own. This same being ends up taking full control of Frisk, which is why at the end of the story, you don't even control him anymore: he kills Asgore and Flowey all on his own, and some of his dialogue's change to a red text, implying that is not Frisk but Chara the one talking/thinking.
It kills me when it says, "I unlocked the chain." In a Neutral or a Pacifist run, the game runs in second person. However, in the Genocide run, the game runs in first person. It's just so...creepy.
its disturbing to think of the mindset of the narrator, blocking out the player and seeing them as themselves. In a pacifist run where the player goes back to the ruins before the credits when they finish the game, asriel/flowey will tell them that the reason the first human "fell" was probably a suicide attempt. That's just how I see it though , but its still disturbing..
Screw finally beating Undyne after so many tries. This is the best part of Undertale's genocide route. Getting to know the real Flowey. Not Asriel, but Flowey. And you know what? I feel bad for the poor bastard.
Flowey shows all the signs of being a Sociopath, while Chara shows all the signs of being a Psychopath. Sociopathy is when the subject is nervous and capable of feeling fear, is prone to outbursts of rage, normally unable to feel empathy or love, and are very disturbed. They can form attachments to a select few close people occasionally, in this case Chara, and cannot comprehend the feelings of empathy and love to the point that it will cause them to break down. they kill sporadically and passionately. Flowey is a Sociopath. Psychopathy is when they cannot feel true empathy or emotions, but can mimic it and convince others to do what they want. They are very manipulative and precise and plan everything out meticulously. They are unflinching and not scared. They will act normal enough that nobody knows their true nature until it is too late. They will systematically kill victims efficiently. Chara is a Psychopath.
Grimm K psychcentral.com/blog/archives/2015/02/12/differences-between-a-psychopath-vs-sociopath/ No, I looked it up. the terms are really easy to mix up though.
What's especially concerning is that as a far more basic organic life form, he should be incapable of emotion. And yet, the sheer evil and unfeeling sadism of Frisk/Chara in this mode is enough to make nature itself cower, which makes even more sense because the two are about to destroy the entire universe. Flowey is one thing, but I really think this symbolizes the fact that the world itself has become aware of the threat you pose to it.
"Those pathetic people that want to see it , but are too weak to do it themselves. I bet someone like that's watching right now , aren't they...?" wait FLOWEY TALKS ABOUT US ABOUT THOSE , WHO WATCHES THE GENOCIDE VIDEOS , BUT WONT DO IT THEMSELVES!
+Megusviant I did it. I mean I watched my cousin do it on Skype. I DON'T HAVE THE GAME. I wanted to though. Though after he beat Sans we stopped so Chara couldn't corrupt our file. c;
You know what's sad? That we only get to know Floweys story in this route. Yes, we can save him in the pacifist route. However we never get to know how much he really suffered, what he went through. It's funny and sad at the same time how he couldn't feel anything besides suffering for not having a soul. Maybe he just felt numb because his Human, Toto, Chara whatever we call ourselves at the Beginning of the game, was gone. Now Frisk is there, remembering everyone of the Human that once died … and in the end this human will be awakened in the genocide route and destroy everything. And I'm just sitting here, watching Genocide LPs because I'll never play this myself, I never want to kill them all. Seriously, this game is a piece of art and more people should play it. It's one of my favourite games, right next to Life is Strange. You don't need the best animations. 8 Bit IS enough with a story like that!
Wait. Flowey explains that he talked to Asgore and told him everything.. That must be very awkward and depressing to find your son came back to life as a sentient flower.
I'm like 7 years late but I guess Asgore doesn't know in the main timeline because Flowey reset a number of times and probably didn't go back to save file in which everybody knew him.
I haven't got any endings beside Pacifist, and I haven't killed any characters... I'm not starting now. The other playthroughs just open up way too much pain and suffering. It gets uncomfortably, if morbidly fascinating. But I don't have to be the one who sacrifices his pet to see how he ticks. After you start killing you begin opening doors and descending down paths that you never really get out of. You can feel it as if you've committed a crime against nature, it hangs over your head like a guillotine.
what's even worse but at the same time, weirdly, great about this is that's it's only a game. We all forget sometimes that it's only a game because Toby is so great at creating stuff he almost makes it seem like they're real. The consequences are dire if you choose the wrong path and can't go back from it. Even with a true reset, the guilt and pain still hang over your head. Heh, who knows. I somewhat joke when I say this but you never know. The game could be so powerful that it might just be real 😉
TheSingingGamingArtist I could't agree more. Toby is a master of his craft, and know all the little components that make up an immersive story from audio to visuals, to dialogue. It's interesting how well he pulled it off. And who knows... maybe one day monsters will rise from the depths and rejoin us on the surface.
TheSingingGamingArtist That's right. Sometimes, that's literally all you need. A resilience that refuses to just follow the crowd or take the easy road. To always choose mercy over punishment. To heal, and never to hack. It worked in the real world too. Martin Luther King, Gandhi, pacifists that started a non-violent movement. It can change people.
Maybe I am, but frankly, I don't think I need to permanently end someone's life (even a fictional character) just to boast about response time and persistence. And no, I didn't do Genocide, and I'm not going to.
Maybe it was a bad idea to watch it, but for this I go by "Those who don't learn from History are doomed to repeat it" and watching practically every moment was an emotional ordeal for me, but I had to go through that, because frankly, I'm not above the emotional consequences, whether I personally do it or not.
@@joaquinjovane1211 let me educate you. Chara isn't the villain here YOU the player are the villain in genocide You see when you beat genocide and meet Chara, they say something along the lines of, "Thanks to you i know the purpose of my reincarnation" now Chara is the narrator of Undertale, and there's tons of evidence to back that claim up, but anyways, by doing genocide you're technically influencing Chara to believe that genocide is good and thus A megalomaniac is born from that influence, because of you Chara becomes obsessed with power and genocide. But I can't blame you for assuming Chara was the villain since it was originally heavily influenced that they were
"Why am I telling you all of this? Chara, I said it before. Even after all this time... You're still the only one that understands me." Me: Should've stopped right there, Flowey. "You won't give me any worthless pity! Creatures like us... Wouldn't hesitate to KILL each other if we got in each other's way." Me: >facepalm< Way to go, idiot. Give 'em ideas! YES, just give 'em! I don't know whether you were planning on betraying Chara and you let that slip by accident or if you were simply being honest with yourself, but you just dug your grave when you said that. "I realized the purpose of my reincarnation. *Power.*"
Flowey: Creatures like us wouldn't hesitate to kill each other if we got in each others way. Flowey 3 seconds later: Shouldn't have said that. I should not have said that.
When I played to this point, gotten this far, and Flowey was telling me these things, I thought that it was strange that he was telling me these things. However, he continued talking, he told of how he did "Pacifist Runs" and did all that that run had to offer. He then told of how he wanted to know what would have happened should he kill everyone instead. It struck me then, which is one of the reasons that Flowey is in my top 3 favorite characters, that he was basically you, until you came. It's interesting, really, but when I did the run, I was sad after killing every character, but I never really shed any tears. When you kill Flowey in the end... I had to look away. It was the saddest thing....
About that whole "I bet somebody like that's watching right now, aren't they..?" bit, would it have been a stretch to say that Flowey was really referring to Alphys, not just us players? After all, she's kind of been the one who's been sitting and watching people die. Alphys even makes mention of that in the botched Genocide ending. She was just watching you slaughter monsters, left and right, and that's all she did. Until finally you kill Undyne she tries to do her part on saving as many monsters that she can. Maybe even after you pass her lab she continued to monitor your progress in hopes that you finally will be stopped. At which point she would signal everyone else that it's safe to go out again. Considering how Flowey did what we players would have done in Undertale: befriending everyone, solving their problems, pissing them off, and then finally killing them all, Alphys would have been among those people he would know all about. He would probably have known all about how Alphys tends to sit back and just watch people through a monitor. Not to mention that it was Flowey, by proxy of Papyrus's suggestion, that led players to Alphy's true laboratory. If he knew the existence of such a place, then would it be far fetched to say that Flowey knew about how he came into existence, and who made that possible? While this snide remark is on one level a meta-jab at people who only ever watch people play games, and who will never play it themselves, Flowey might have actually meant that for Alphys. She's the one who created him in the first place, and she's the one witnessed all these horrible events take place, while she herself was protected by a video feed.
Yeah, maybe Flowey wouldn't have been aware that Alphys stopped monitoring you after Undyne. It's not like he's omniscient, knowing everything that's happening in a single moment. He already shares your power to reload and save infinitely, and just knows people well enough to stab them where it would hurt the most. Though just in case she/anyone else was watching I guess he made that snide reference just for them. At any rate, Flowey's a hardcore jerk.
Anyone else more scared of Chara then any other villain in game history? It's because there are actual people like that in the world and seeing it in such a sweet game is highly disturbing. :( This made me want to protect Flowey, and not just because he's Asriel. I actually felt bad for the little shit. He can possibly be helped (if not through a lot of treatment then maybe Alphys can figure out something), Chara can't.
+NedSer145 Plays His perception of who Chara really was was overshadowed by his desire to feel a connection with someone. I think that desire is what also pushed him to do what he did (pacifist and genocide route). His goal wasn't strictly to hurt people like Chara (though he obviously didn't take issue with it), his goal was to make everyone understand his point of view, his kill or be kill ideology. In the end all of this was because he's a little boy who felt very alone. The lost of his empathy separated him from everyone else and so to solve it he hoped to make everyone feel like he did by force.
Part of the reason why I love this game so much is that it's such a psychological and moving game. I've never felt so genuinely shocked and surprised about a video game character's backstory before. Undertale evokes so many negative and sad feelings that absolutely crush you, but it's all so good at the same time ;u;
I can't help but wonder... if someone in real life had that power to return and fix mistakes, would their worldview become as distorted as Flowey's? I know humans are far more complex than characters, but would they start seeing other people, including their closest friends, as nothing more than caricatures? I mean, if nothing you do has consecuence, what's stopping you from killing, torturing, or doing other horrible things for the sake of curiosity?
You don't have to turn back time to feel that way. I do. I dont kill & never wanted to but I do see people as pathetic caricature. Once I was a kind loving friend who was always there for everyone & I got used & destroyed for it. I kept listening to people stupidity. Then, when I decided to take my place, they all hated me & called me an asshole. So yeah, I have a hard time not seeing most people as hypocrites.
After this I kinda feel bad for flowey! I mean look at the flower! He's so afraid of you and your sick sick twisted little child mind, focused on the death and torment of others.
Cedric Doguiles And floweys a child too! Think about it; flowey reunited with the one person that could understand him and the one person he would care about if he could, and then he gets the most brutal murder of all; swift 8 slashes causing slow, painful death. It's so depressing. Flowey never gets a happy ending in any route and it's so unfair
I feel bad for flowey He saw chara die He got killed He was reincarnated but soulless He could no longer love and have anybody love him. He got tired of seeing people repeat stuff He got bored of everyone being happy when he never was He wondered something "What if they died?" He did it It wasnt even joy just a fake version He realised everything from him was gone. Leaving him soulless and hateful I dont just understand him I feel bad for him. Im one of the few who like flowey He was my favorite character at first but now that i know his backstory he is now one hundred percent my favorite character. It makes me sad seeing 90% of the fandom hate him so much
Honestly, this whole scene is probably my favorite part of the game. Throughout the entire genocide route, I had pretty much been starved of connection to any of the characters. So bonding with Flowey over our shared villainy was actually a really fun thought throughout most of the scene. Having that whole thing ripped away from me when flowey started to get scared of me was almost as heartbreaking as the papyrus “fight”.
This game KNOWS. 'There's people that want to know, but are too afraid to do it themselves. I bet someone like that's watching right now, aren't they...?' Flowey is talking about US, the VIEWERS. Unbelievable.
mostly talking about the player. the player themselves can't really bring themselves to killing people for "true victory". Toby didn't expect this game to be popular. The viewer thing is just a funny coincidence.
I imagine Flowey having emotions back after 1. turning back into a Flower from Asriel in pacifist or 2. Realizing you'll kill him in Genocide hense why he's shaking, scared, and when you go to Asgore, and you kill him, with Flowey finishing him, he's still scared, and hense the "I don't want to die!" with Asriel's face o3o
+Mike Smokefox I think he only lacks the capacity for wholly benevolent emotions (eg. happiness, love) due to a lack of SOUL, but can still experience other emotions like anger, disgust and fear.
One of the best, well, deeply impactful more accurately, moments of the game in my humble opinion. Executed so flawlessly, and its been a while since a movie has made feel philosophical dread, which I didn't even know was possible or even a thing.
I'll tell ya, Flowey's not the only one who broke out in a cold sweat when he said, "Creatures like us won't hesitate to kill each other if they got in each other's way." -BTW, that line also only makes absolute sense if you've done the True Lab.
I know after Chara died, the real Asriel was able to absorb his soul and that's why Chara can control him. I'm just confused on how Asriel merged with a flower. Is it because his dust spread across the patch of yellow flowers and...I don't know...got absorbed into one? And then Alphys ended up injecting DETERMINATION into THAT flower?
Not only Flowey calls out players that manipulate games to their own satisfaction and viewers that are too scared to do it themselves. But also, calls out games that make the players feel mighty by killing everything that stands in your way. Man, thank God I live in a world where someone has the guts to make a videogame like this one.
4:23 - 4:32 Many people that played the pacifist route don't play the genocide route because they think they would ruin everyone's happiness after being free from the underground. They cared about the monsters' happiness, which that means love makes you weak. I totally agree with this. The more people you love, the weaker you are. It might explain why Sans is so strong when you fight him. The only person he cares about is Papyrus.
“Many people that played the pacifist route don't play the genocide route because they think they would ruin everyone’s happiness after being free.” You say that like it's a bad thing.
I've read every book, I've burned every book, I've won every game, I've lost every game, I've appeased everyone, I've killed everyone. Sets of numbers ... lines of dialog. . I've seen them all. I'm the demon that comes when people call its name. It doesn't matter when. It doesn't matter where. Genocide only way to play.
+thatsmokerwasme Speaking of which, was it made by the same guy? Or did it just take inspiration from it? Because, to be honest, I love games like this and Off.
I almost cry cause of Flowey story cause the part he said "MOM DAD somebody help me!!" but nobody came cause its just like my parents when I need them but..........sometimes they came when i need them and sometimes...............when i really really need them they..................never...... came 😦 im just alone
Fun Fact: 4:20 - 4:33 These lines are only spoken if the game detects a recording device, he will not say any of this if you aren't recording at that moment.
What killed the suspense and made me emotionless to the whole idea of killing Flowey is that after seeing him at the end of this part of the video, where he says "Just go back, I think this is actually all fine...", if you decide to listen and went ahead and reset the SAVE file, he actually has the gall to criticize you, saying "Really? Whatever..." and "Why? Why? WHY?!! Why did you have to back out at the last minute instead of finishing what we started?!" at the neutral ending. Seeing that, I became a TRUE Flowey...
It's a funny thing Isn't it? The more you hate someone, the easier it is to make them stop living. But as much as you love someone, you can't bring them back from the dead.
+NintendoPlayerSega Even if Chara is one of the evilest character in video game, I'd see why there was no mention. Maybe he considers Chara something more like an eldritch abomination than a person. It's hinted that Chara isn't a simple child but something like an evil spirit. And Joshcorcher said he excluded eldritch abominations from his top 10 because they would all win place #1 since they are evil incarnate in the first place.
chara isnt really a character though, more of an idea of a player who goes on the path of killing everything just to gain stats and doesn't feel anything towards the characters they are killing.
Chara is implied to be more than simply a symbol of the average gamer. Chara actually has a back story and personality of his own. Chara's is mostly ambiguous though so we can only guess what Chara is actually like, but I doubt Chara originally was evil.
My thoughts immediately changed when they entered the last corridor. At first I was like, "Wow, I should pay more attention when playing the game. I barely felt anything during this scene!" then when they got to the last corridor I was like, "OH BOI YOU GONNA HAVE A BAD TIME OHOHOHOH"
If you think about it, Asriel isn't the real villain here, at all. Chara used to bully him, and went so far as to manipulate him into going along with her plan, but, when Chara and Asriel fused and got to the surface, I doubt she expected that he'd be so reluctant to fight the humans to the point it would get them both killed. Her plan failed pretty quickly. Chara in the past was once just a child,with a lot of issues obviously, but y'know,still a child.I think at some point she did grow fond of her new family...she [as a narrator] always gets completely silent when Frisk is hurting Asgore, or when looking at old pictures of happier times, as if she's having a hard time seeing it. It could be that Chara was somehow trying to fulfill the prophecy about the angel who comes and frees monsterkind from the underground in her own reckless way. She was already a troubled child, and I think all their expectations and hopes must have weighed heavily on her. ...so it would feel like a betrayal if Asriel, her own adoptive family,completely refused to help when they got to the surface. Why would he refuse to exterminate the beings that brought nothing but pain, to both monsterkind and her? She must have died feeling betrayed by everyone, humans, monsters, and family alike...which would explain why her specter comes back with the intent not to only destroy humans, but the whole world this time around...and her particular hatred for Flowey/Asriel. ...it would explain why Flowey says "n-no hard feelings about...back then...right?!" - when he starts to feel fear - he finally realizes he's really talking to his old-time-friend-bully Chara, and no longer just projecting her onto Frisk - so he must be talking about the distant past. "Back then" - Since they were sharing the same body, he must have known she felt betrayed when both of them died. It seems as if now she hates Flowey/Asriel above all... Have you noticed how vicious she is when she finally gets to kill him? She keeps hacking and hacking until there is literally nothing left of him. Her hatred burns so deeply that she even butchers Asgore - even though it seemed he was her weak spot in the past- just to get to Flowey... after which she just instantly destroys everything,as though she had accomplished what she wanted to do. He didn't help her back then, and her plan failed because of it, and so in his final plight to Chara when she's about to kill him, he calls her best friend and says that he'll help...he can help...she can use him...he won't get in her way this time...but she doesn't trust him anymore. It was Chara that got Asriel killed long ago, and is indirectly responsible for all of his suffering... and in the genocide route she gets to torment him even further before finally ending him once and for all.
There's something you're missing: the "hacking and hacking" doesn't happen until you push Chara into it. When Flowey shifts to Asriel's voice and says "Please don't kill me", there's a pause. Seeing it was Asriel made Chara come to her senses. At that point, you could turn the game off, reset, go back. Bring Chara and Frisk back to who they once were. But if you press the Z button, you goad Chara over the edge and THEN she kills Flowey. At that point she's become so corrupted that she's not herself anymore, but Flowey turning into Asriel is able to break through that corruption until you goad her into killing him. Also though Chara was pretty evidently suicidal, there's no evidence of Chara bullying Asriel. When Flowey said "No hard feelings about back then, right?" he was referring to when he and Chara combined their souls together and had split control over Asriel's body. Chara wanted Asriel to attack the humans because she hated humanity, but Asriel used his power to not fight back. Flowey was simply talking about stopping both himself and Chara from reacting violently against humanity.
Nana Lu chara never betrayed or killed anyone, instead, she sacrificed herself for the family and for the world who adopted her the only ones who didnt abuse her like humans did when you are mercyful so is chara, when you are a sick murderer chara even says AN OTHER PATH WOULD BE BETTER SUITED she actually says DONT KILL ANYONE AGAIN she says that feeling, that uncorftable feeling that guilty feeling whenever your stats increases thats her you cannot save asriel in the mercyful route like your other friends because YOU DONT HAVE MEMORIES OF ASRIEL but how did he manage to wake up those good memories? because it wasn't you, it was CHARA when you are merciful so is chara chara represents the punishment you sick murderes deserve after killing everyone in front of her you do not understand the meaning of undertale and seek other characters to blame for your actions chara never chose to fight it was YOU it was YOUR PLAN it was YOUR FAULT but when chara tells you that you get angry at her how sick you are
Guys since you seem that you know your stuff....can you plz answer me a question...chara took over frisk's body? Or are they two different entities? In the end of genocide the chara you see is a frisk body possed by chara or chara with her body that had risen from grave?
silci Nah chara is basically a demon who possesses the player in genocide route. If that's not enough, she was pretty intent on destroying humanity before she was killed and even tried to pressure Asriel into it. Which is why Asriel is so intent on killing you as he mistakes you for chara.
Flowey's experience sounds like an Elder Scrolls game. In that series many NPC's are unique and, when you kill them, they disappear from the game. But at any time, you can make multiple saves and restart from any of them. This lets you test out player responses and see how the world is affected.
I think Flowey needed a reaction if you reseted the game after the dialogue in 7:25. If he remembers anything after a reset, he could at least remember what he said in this dialogue
"Those pathetic people who want to watch it, but are too weak to do it themselves."
Me, watching a Genocide Let's Play: *innocently sips drink*
AT LEAST WE AREN'T THE MURDERERS, EH?
Likewise.
THE BEE EMPEROR Well im a murderer for doing the genocide route so my life sucks
Susan Mesler-Evans anybody tried this tea?
Oh well...
I'm bored, I'm gonna try Genocide Run for once and die again and again in Undyne the Undying and Sans battle....
welp.
*at the beginning*
Flowey : It's about to kill or be killed
*at the end*
Flowey : Please don't kill me
He doesn't want to die because flowey knows that he cant return to his "save point" anymore. He knew that Chara's determination is bigger than his.
And not only that,but in neutral he wasn't scared because he was certain you would reset and he'd come back.But in the route he knows You're getting the ending you want and he'd be dead forever.
Hypocrite. You reap what you sow, Flowey.
Welp that escalated pretty quickly
Flowey deserves death. He isn't Asriel anymore.
That awkward moment when even FLOWEY is less evil than you.
Of course he was kind
He's lovely in genocide!
Rude!
In the pacifist ending we can see 2 hearts (souls) mixed in Asriel Dreemurr. In a fact, Chara dies and they mix their souls. But, I don't know how he turns into Flowey. When flowery turns into goat, he says "I did weird things when I was flowey." I don't know can you understand me because I am not English. My grammar can be wrong.
@@astraticyt there is no chara in Flowey, cause he is soulless. That's why he can't fell emotions. But the most messed up thing is that Flowey isn't Chara, or some alternate being, some demonic thing that only desires to kill human, no, Flowey was always Asriel, and Asriel never lost control. You see, it's shown in this video, where he says that in the beginning he did everything to help others, just like normal Asriel would do. It's judt without ability to feel emotions, he didn't find satisfaction in that anymore, and the more he did, the more others just annoyed him. In the end they just didn't matter to him anymore, so he started killing them for fun. And that's why when he consumes all the souls he doesn't revert to his old self instantly, cause the moment he did, he could feel once again. But he still continued with his plan because at this point this was his desire, his reason to live. And only through Frisk saving souls of everyone Asriel felt their emotions, desire, and remembered what it is to love again. And once he did, the shame came, and he tried to get rid of us still, when we started calling his soul. And the saddest part is, in the end he will just become flowey again, but still contain all of his memories, and won't be able to feel again. But he won't just turn instantly to crazy murderer, he will still be Asriel. So, when we return to the game, the Flowey who asks us to live Frisk and his friends alone is Asriel, and this is his last wish for them to live happy. As for him though, I don't think there's anything left. I think he just erases himself from existence after everyone leaves. So actually, if we restart the game, we will just make him suffer once again
In this retrospect, Flowey is the embodiment of the player itself. We use our 'powers' for good, to achieve the Neutral/Pacifist ending, to make everyone's lives better, and that should be the end right? Well, since Undertale has so much content, what happens when the happy ending isn't enough? What do we do when we've seen the game's happy ending playthrough after playthrough? After all, when we know what everyone's going to say, that's it. So what if we killed Toriel? Payrus? Undyne? What if we did this, or this? How would character A react to this? And we can always go back, back to the beginning, to avoid consequences. Eventually, some players decide to do the Genocide run, just because they can. And because they 'can,' they 'have' to. This is why the Genocide Run affects the Pacfists run, it's the one thing you cannot escape from, because even resetting won't undo the things you've done...
No other game has incorporated the SAVE function as part of the in game universe. Not like Undertale has. It's part of what makes it so brilliant.
IMO Genocide is designed to pretty much be your final playthough of Undertale. It's the final ending, but in the timeline IMO it is the beginning as I believe you play as Chara in all three scenarios and in True Pacifist you are the 8th human, Frisk. Its a name that is kind of given to you.
If I didn't have a life, I would play this game a few times to see exactly what kind of connections are made. IMO just from watching other playthoughs it appears like Undertale is similar to Chrono Cross where time keeps moving at a steady pace but instead there are different dimensions, which are shaped by decisions that Chara makes. And like Chrono Cross there is a moment where all three dimensions align and that is when you are in New Home.
"At least we are better than all those pathetic people who is just watching but can't do it themselves" I think Flowey is right about the viewers who can't play but are watching this video.
cao Christina Hey! What if you can't play because your computer sucks and you're under age to get a job even! No matter. I'll just play genocide in real life. K -)
If you aren't happy with the endings, try dodging every credit in the credit scene and try beating glyde.. It's a *SICK* fight...
(This is a not-funny joke ;-;)
BZ
Hold up, he can go back to save points, started off using his powers for good, realized the "NPC's" always repeated themselves, and then tried killing them all because he "didn't enjoy this but had to know what would happen"
Fuck, Flowey is the average Undertale player.
That's the joke :)
Sergei Ivanovich Mosin
Really from what I can understand at the end of the game you ARE Flowey just seeing what would happen if you did this or this
MarioGamer456
Not everyone took that path, you know.
Yeah but he's stuck in there, you're not
@@hmwhat5429 yeah because every time at the end of his genocide routes he' always get shit on by sans, but we the player are determined enough to beat sans.
The best part about this scene, and the reason it's my favorite in the game, is how it shows that Flowey, despite being a soulless creature who wants only death, is really just a little kid deep down. This is shown best at 5:45 .
"Did you hear me calling you...?"
The fact he believes that his best friend came back from the dead just because he was calling to them is such a childish idea. He's just a little kid who misses his best friend. And when he finally meets them again and talks to them, Asriel was so pure and loved Chara so much that even Flowey just wants to live happily ever after.
nordic fatcheese *vicious crying* this son-flower deserves more than he gets, he deserves a happy ending but doesn't get it in any route
this son of a flower, wait, that doesn't make sense does it? nvm
Don't make me cry-
Doesn't excuse him
He was a kid when he died so he probably never aged mentally.
Flowey has so much depth to him that many neglect to realize, simply writing him off as "the villian" without second thought. It's scenes like this that make him my favorite character.
GGB123 same! And when people think he deserves the worst is just terrible! I wish frisk brought him to the surface ,,,
Agh, I know..
I like to think that's what did happen, inevitably. The good thing about not knowing entirely how Frisk's life played out after the Pacifist run is that it's all up to the imagination. I think that if Frisk really did want to save Asriel, they would know that the most possible way to do that would be by befriending Flowey. Maybe Frisk couldn't save Asriel, but at the very least they could help Flowey understand that he isn't alone.
GGB123 yes . that's why i love floweypot so much because it's 100% possible
Flowey wouldn't be able to live on the surface. He didn't start attacking people just because he was curious, it was a desperate attempt to feel something for his loved ones again brought upon by his sadness and isolation. Had he still had the ability to feel and love he would have never done that. He wasn't thinking clearly and because even that failed to bring the real him back he went insane and began attacking in anger and hatred at himself and his inability to feel.
Without a soul he would eventually (as would everyone else in his position) succumb to that grief and start attacking again and eventually go mad again. He never stopped wanting to care and he never stopped wanting to love even when he becomes maliciously insane, and it's that reason that this happened because wanting to love and being unable to love would tear you apart.
At first I hated flowey. I didn't even remotely like him. But after learning his backstory and all that happened to him, I realised how much of a deep character he is, and how much thought was put into his development. This game really is surprising
what a shame Same here, I didn't liked Flowey the first time I played this game. However, after seeing who he really was and his backstory, he became my second favorite Character (My favorite is Papyrus)
At first, Flowey was the character I hated the most. Now, he’s the character I love the most.
Oh wow I just like the villains straight away, I didn't even need his backstory for him to be my second most favourite character lol
@@squishydogstudios5430 The "villains"
Seriously, no character from Undertale can be confirmed to be the true villain without a doubt - not even Chara/ The Fallen Human
@@mparagames Well yeah, true, while flowey is really just poor asriel, he is still the antagonist, I probably should've worded it different lol.
So he isn't a villain, but the antagonist, the main threat to the character we play as.
Wow, when a sociopath gets scared. A rare and terrifying sight.
Coming from the dark lord of insanity.
You're using the wrong profile pic...
Edit: Nevermind
+Dark Lord of Insanity Sociopaths at risk of death only reveal their true pussified selves.
+Dark Lord of Insanity Now that is were it goes creepier... Why would Flowey fear someone it didn't at the beginning/in other timelines?
+Supershadow301 Flowey started fearing Chara when he realized that he is in Chara's way and will be TERMINATED.
4:27
Uh, Flowey...*what wall are you even breaking here?!*
+The Epic Fudge
Fifth one. I'm pretty sure Toby had it custom built for the game's release. Lots of excess Kickstarter funding, see?Anyway, it's gone now.
RUN FOR YOUR LIVES FLOWEY IS REAL
+The Epic Fudge He is already breaking the fourth wall by talking about saves and loads, he is breaking the fifth by talking about knowing that he is being seen on youtube
+fan2mario64 THERE'S A 5TH WALL?!? I thought there was only a 4th one o_o where you like know your fiction or talking to the audience or something
+TheSingingGamingArtist and if someone was watching a video of someone watching a video of someone playing the game and flowey would talk to them, flowey would break the 6th wall and so on xD
this game definitely makes you feel as if your not alone
+Rico Hernandez OH SIT MY CAT...... oh wait i don't have a cat.......MAYBE IT'S A G-G-GH-GHO *Meows* oh wait it's ujst a cat from outside :D
Trust me, your never alone :)
Most games are obnoxious when they break the fourth wall. This is one of the few examples of it being executed perfectly though. Gave me chills.
I find the Genocide run of Undertale wholly creepy and disturbing psychologically, but *there's so much to learn!* For example, Flowey's line "Mommy, daddy, somebody help me! ... But nobody came." Is exactly what he tells the player in the neutral ending. He asks them to cry out in the darkness those words, and when, initially, nobody comes, he says "But nobody came". That wasn't a game description, that was his own dialogue. Flowey *wants* other people to suffer exactly like he did, seeing them in pain makes him feel better in an insane sadistic way.
You see, Flowey can feel pain, depression, and sorrow, but he can't feel the opposite feelings. "I became despondent." Despondent, meaning loss of hope, courage, spirit. Hope being something that is one of the cornerstones of what a monster soul is responsible for. It gives hope, compassion and love to the monster. As a vessel, he had none of those things. but due to the fact that Asriel's dust intermingled with the seeds, all that was left to do was give it DETERMINATION, which can reanimate, animate anything with the right components, and so popped up Flowey.
In his despondency, he realized that all he wanted to do was to love and feel love again. He wanted to *care about someone,* but he couldn't, and so, like Chara, he committed suicide. *But, this is the most interesting part of it all.* EXACTLY like Frisk, he is caught in the void between life and death (GAME OVER screen) and yet he was still conscious. In that moment, he became curious of what would happen if a being without a soul died, and then he realized he didn't want to die in that void, and so, he woke up, *just like you do, when you die.* That line, "like it was all just a bad dream" is used again when Frisk dies to Omega Flowey, and when Frisk is waking up from his encounter with Child Asriel. That bad dream, is death, and somehow both Flowey and Frisk can survive those moments. You can't just peg it on DETERMINATION, because if that was the case why did all those other humans just die and not attempt to keep going? No, something's up. Flowey had this happen to him but... He's just a vessel, an inanimate object. *Why does it happen to the player?* They have a soul, as far as we know, but maybe... and this will take a lot more explaining, but maybe that soul isn't actually theirs... Maybe that soul is Chara's, and Frisk is a conscious human vessel designed to survive no matter what happens to them to break the barrier. But who would've created such a being... Why, non other than Dr. Gaster.
Something is definitely not right here, and there are secrets that we are only just now beginning to put together, but whatever's going on, Frisk *is not what they seem.* For example, how come Frisk's determination is strong enough to neutralize Flowey's determination? It shouldn't work like that, but saving and resetting is some strange power that only they can do and it seems like the strongest can do the most, while they others are near powerless to stop them. We know for a fact that Frisk is an anomaly in time and space, and personally, it just doesn't add up. It just doesn't, there's got to be more we can derive, and I'm almost certain it has to do with Dr. Gaster.
+IamCaptainMan
Only the most determined in the world can save at one time, there's no other "files", so one person overwrites the other. The goatbros (Asriel and Chara) are the only ones with the ability to SAVE, DETERMINATION is simply the soul persisting after death (a lotta people get this confused with all humans being able to SAVE which makes no sense). The only reason you have this ability as Frisk is because Chara possesses you after falling down; otherwise if Frisk'd had it his whole life, you'd be able to reset out of the mountain and possibly back to their house.
Essentially what I'm saying is... you're pretty on point there
+Iceman404 Right... A person, human or monster, is sentient not because of their soul, but because of their minds, and physical bodies. The SOUL does *not* give a being their personality or anything like that, it simply gives Monsters the ability to love, feel hope and compassion, and humans are given innate determination which only gives their SOUL the ability to persist long after death as far as we know.
Now, vessels are special in the way that they are inanimate objects or other physical vessels (that could even be the bodies of creatures) that are given the will to live via concentrated doses of DETERMINATION, which can only be derived from human souls. Now, a human without a SOUL has no determination, and due to the level of physical matter they have, it's unknown whether or not they could survive without any.
Monsters don't need DT because they aren't made of water or other dense organic material, but their bodies are more closely attuned to their actual souls, giving them the natural ability to cast magic, but also making them more fragile, and even susceptible to their own emotions, seeing as a hopeless, heart broken monster becomes even less physically stable, and becomes easily wounded, which explains why monsters can be easily taken out if they are in a weaker mental state, or drop their emotional guards out of trust for another or out of depression/anxiety.
So, a vessel could be made out of practically anything natural, and DT would animate them. Flowey only retained Asriel's personality because his dust spread across the seeds. The dust of a monster's body can be spread on an object, and they would live on that object. Well, with DT, that object would literally become the vessel for that dead monster.
(Undyne being a special circumstance where her sheer will to fight helped her last longer than usual via some concentration of DT)
Now, if Frisk was a vessel, it would make a lot of sense. Their SOUL is the same as Chara's, and despite the fact that Chara says that it was your DT that they fed off, it doesn't seem like even they know exactly what's going on, but is purely acting cruel and maniacal because they are SOULless.
Chara has no SOUL, can change shape, attack with massive amounts of damage, and can take control over Frisk if they succumb to the desire to destroy everything and become strong.
To me, it seems like Frisk could be a human that fell into the Underground like everyone else, but they may have been manipulated by a third party. Heck, a stick and a bandage. A bandage that has been used countless times before... But by who? I think that Frisk was a dead human that was reanimated through DT and while their original SOUL has disappeared, they were given a new one, Chara's. From there, the player can give them whatever personality they want.
The only other alternative is that Frisk is Chara's reanimated corpse, and Gaster simply used their body for the vessel, but that's unlikely seeing that it would have started to decomposed decades ago.
Personally, I think Frisk was a pacifistic kid in life. They can retain that desire to love and make friends from their normal life than they will retain the knowledge of who they are, and eventually even be able to say their name and act just as they were in life. While on the other hand, if they fall into murder, and even worse, genocide, then Frisk will lose all humanity, and Chara's SOUL will take over their minds completely.
This is the Player's choice. They can keep true to Frisk and stay pacifistic, or they can allow Chara to take over through murder. I think Chara wants Frisk's SOUL in the ending of a No Mercy run because they are SOULless, and also because Chara probably isn't omniscient. I bet that don't even realize that Frisk's SOUL is Chara's.
Only someone with the ability to be everywhere and do anything could set up the Pacifist Ending, start multiple timelines, and make Frisk into a vessel, and I think that would be WD Gaster. He's still trying to help save the monsters, and he knows that whoever's gonna do it needs to be a human that can't die, but will keep cheating death. Dr. Gaster was scattered across time and space, and also delved into the "void" where there is no light. I believe that void is that medium in between life and death, the GAME OVER screen. I think when he says "what do you two think", I think he might be talking to the Player and Sans.
Also, every time you see that flash of white light, it acts as a time stamp, signaling an important moment in the timeline. The creation of a new timeline (naming the fallen human), the exit of the ruins, the killing or sparing of Flowey, leaving the Underground with your friends, all of these things.
Remember, in a Neutral Ending, nothing happens when you exit that room after fighting Omega Flowey. You get the flash, and the game ending starts to roll. The whole end of the game is a parallel of the start. In actuality, this is meant to force the Player to make that choice, to either be pacifistic, or worst case scenario, choose to succumb to their murderous tendencies. Until they do, the world remains *incomplete,* and will keep requiring the Player to keep going and going until the Underground goes empty one way or another.
Asgore hired Gaster to be the Royal Scientist. Remember, the RS is commissioned by Asgore to research and experiment for the King. I think after creating the CORE, Gaster was also delving into time travel, and spoke with Asgore about what this could mean. Asgore would then in trust them with finding a way to get everyone out of the Underground via changing the timelines, but he fell into his own creation and become one with time and space, erased from existence.
But at some point, he was able to set this whole plan in motion, one way or another. I think it was his tampering that allowed the Player to use Frisk to rescue everyone.
So that's my Frisk Vessel Theory. It's a shame we don't have more info, but I'm just hoping that Toby keeps the content coming because in each segment of the game, there's another piece of the puzzle to be found.
+IamCaptainMan Flowey is the result of an experiment that Asphys made. When Asriel came back from the human world, mortally wounded, he dragged Golden Flower seeds from outside. When Asriel died, he died on top of those seeds, "sprinkling" them with a small amount of the combined mixture of HIS own soul and CHARA'S soul (since he had both inside his body). Eventually, one of those seeds became a flower, and Asphys collected it, took it to the True Lab, and infused it with Determination (which was taken from the rest of Chara's human soul through the use of a machine). The result was Flowey, a monster with Determination but without a true soul.
It was because of this that Flowey ended up being the evil creature we all know: his memories are from Asriel, his Determination is from Chara, but his personality and his soul (or whatever half-thing he was for a soul) are a combination of Asriel's and Chara's. That's why despite being so evil and determined, he was still not as evil and determined as Chara himself. That's why he was so afraid of Chara in the end.
Ariel Tapia Have you thought of putting a 's' after the 'A' in your name? No but seriously, yes, exactly. You know what's really interesting is that Frisk is a vessel too. It's a long story, but it's a theory that I've been working on, and I'm confident through available evidence that this is the case.
IamCaptainMan Frisk is indeed a vessel. You see, when Chara died, he was originally buried in the basement of Asgore's castle, but when Toriel "divorced" him, she took Chara's corpse with herself to give it what she believed was a proper burial at the very place where they found Chara for the first time: the very same spot in the Ruins where Frisk fell, complete with a bed of Golden Flowers.
When Frisk fell on top of Chara's grave, a portion of Chara's essence was "awakened" by Frisk's Soul and Determination, and that essence entered Frisk's body. When you play the Genocide Route, all the murders that Frisk commits cause Chara's essence inside him to grow stronger, eventually becoming a being on its own. This same being ends up taking full control of Frisk, which is why at the end of the story, you don't even control him anymore: he kills Asgore and Flowey all on his own, and some of his dialogue's change to a red text, implying that is not Frisk but Chara the one talking/thinking.
It kills me when it says, "I unlocked the chain." In a Neutral or a Pacifist run, the game runs in second person. However, in the Genocide run, the game runs in first person. It's just so...creepy.
"It's me, Chara."
its disturbing to think of the mindset of the narrator, blocking out the player and seeing them as themselves. In a pacifist run where the player goes back to the ruins before the credits when they finish the game, asriel/flowey will tell them that the reason the first human "fell" was probably a suicide attempt. That's just how I see it though , but its still disturbing..
“It’s me, Chara”
vs.
“Despite everything, it’s still you, Frisk”
@@crystalrobernson5229 that's.....dark
alan828 agreed
Screw finally beating Undyne after so many tries. This is the best part of Undertale's genocide route. Getting to know the real Flowey. Not Asriel, but Flowey. And you know what? I feel bad for the poor bastard.
Flowey shows all the signs of being a Sociopath, while Chara shows all the signs of being a Psychopath.
Sociopathy is when the subject is nervous and capable of feeling fear, is prone to outbursts of rage, normally unable to feel empathy or love, and are very disturbed. They can form attachments to a select few close people occasionally, in this case Chara, and cannot comprehend the feelings of empathy and love to the point that it will cause them to break down. they kill sporadically and passionately.
Flowey is a Sociopath.
Psychopathy is when they cannot feel true empathy or emotions, but can mimic it and convince others to do what they want. They are very manipulative and precise and plan everything out meticulously. They are unflinching and not scared. They will act normal enough that nobody knows their true nature until it is too late. They will systematically kill victims efficiently.
Chara is a Psychopath.
+higbey the demon I think you have the terms mixed up :) Chara is definitely the sociopath. Flowey felt true fear, Chara is fearless.
Grimm K psychcentral.com/blog/archives/2015/02/12/differences-between-a-psychopath-vs-sociopath/
No, I looked it up. the terms are really easy to mix up though.
"I'M A SOCIOPAAATH!"
*I'M A SOCIOPAAAATH!
+Multiverse Overlord hey flowey your my fav charictar
You know you f*cked up when FLOWEYS scared of you
Yeah
+AbdallaBest267 // Fnaf and More! Jack meant that you are a pretty horrible person if FLOWEY is scared of you.
***** whaaaateveeerr helps you sleep at night...
King of Fancy noice tophatted chick
What's especially concerning is that as a far more basic organic life form, he should be incapable of emotion. And yet, the sheer evil and unfeeling sadism of Frisk/Chara in this mode is enough to make nature itself cower, which makes even more sense because the two are about to destroy the entire universe. Flowey is one thing, but I really think this symbolizes the fact that the world itself has become aware of the threat you pose to it.
"I ran away from home." FLOWEY HAS LEGS.
OH NO.
RUUUUUUUUUN
i thought about that too,y flowey have LEGS .OH SHIT.RRRRRUUUUNNNN
+Smol Seans HE'S A DIGLET!!!!!!!!!!
xD I thought that too
Actually while ghting mettaton ex you might notice his legs are gone.....
FLOWEY STOLE HIS HOT LEGSSS
Reading these comments I was laughing so hard
well, at least flowey was able to feel something again-
pure undistilled fear
Reminds of that line by the joker "in their last moments, people show you who they really are".
+MrRamram720 Yes!
To me it reminds me of Batman injecting fear toxic in Scarecrow I love it when charaters that are suppose resible fear start to fear
MrRamram720 True! And all flowey is, is a scared child wanting to love again
I want to cry...
But it's 69 likes
@@trippingazzi7741 that doesn't excuse him
"Those pathetic people that want to see it , but are too weak to do it themselves. I bet someone like that's watching right now , aren't they...?"
wait
FLOWEY TALKS ABOUT US
ABOUT THOSE , WHO WATCHES THE GENOCIDE VIDEOS , BUT WONT DO IT THEMSELVES!
+Megusviant I did it.
I mean I watched my cousin do it on Skype.
I DON'T HAVE THE GAME.
I wanted to though.
Though after he beat Sans we stopped so Chara couldn't corrupt our file. c;
+Sara Yeah, like not paying over $10 bucks for a game that's not worth it.
carefree4all1 Yeah, it's like it, because it's not.
+carefree4all1 what about emotions?
+Megusviant Nawet tutaj ciebie znalazłem :O
You know what's sad? That we only get to know Floweys story in this route. Yes, we can save him in the pacifist route. However we never get to know how much he really suffered, what he went through. It's funny and sad at the same time how he couldn't feel anything besides suffering for not having a soul. Maybe he just felt numb because his Human, Toto, Chara whatever we call ourselves at the Beginning of the game, was gone. Now Frisk is there, remembering everyone of the Human that once died … and in the end this human will be awakened in the genocide route and destroy everything. And I'm just sitting here, watching Genocide LPs because I'll never play this myself, I never want to kill them all. Seriously, this game is a piece of art and more people should play it. It's one of my favourite games, right next to Life is Strange.
You don't need the best animations. 8 Bit IS enough with a story like that!
I still hate him thought
I know right now at both involve time travel.
Buttercups are associated with childishness, ingratitude, the need for more (usually riches though) and cheerfulness in flower language... hmm.
well ty. now I'm thinking about the time when Toriel asked me if I liked cinnamon or buttercup o_o
+TheSingingGamingArtist *butterscotch. They're unrelated.
"There are many buttercup flower meanings, as these flowers symbolize neatness, humility, childishness, ingratitude, unfaithful behavior, etc."
Flowey is a golden flower though. I think.
I think flowey is more interesting than sans!
Bumble_ Gum Same!
There equalllll
Dead Channel I think that they’re both equally as interesting.
aqlan -ALSannor
Subjectively*
Awe Thanks i really hate sans
People viewing Flowey for the first time:
OMG YOU EVIL LITTLE SHIT!!!
End of Genocide run:
*CRIES INTENSELY*
OMG FLOWEY WHY!??
WHY!!???
Wait. Flowey explains that he talked to Asgore and told him everything..
That must be very awkward and depressing to find your son came back to life as a sentient flower.
I'm like 7 years late but I guess Asgore doesn't know in the main timeline because Flowey reset a number of times and probably didn't go back to save file in which everybody knew him.
@@sandorbaranyi3390 nice answer after 7 years
I haven't got any endings beside Pacifist, and I haven't killed any characters... I'm not starting now. The other playthroughs just open up way too much pain and suffering. It gets uncomfortably, if morbidly fascinating. But I don't have to be the one who sacrifices his pet to see how he ticks. After you start killing you begin opening doors and descending down paths that you never really get out of. You can feel it as if you've committed a crime against nature, it hangs over your head like a guillotine.
what's even worse but at the same time, weirdly, great about this is that's it's only a game. We all forget sometimes that it's only a game because Toby is so great at creating stuff he almost makes it seem like they're real. The consequences are dire if you choose the wrong path and can't go back from it. Even with a true reset, the guilt and pain still hang over your head. Heh, who knows. I somewhat joke when I say this but you never know. The game could be so powerful that it might just be real 😉
TheSingingGamingArtist I could't agree more. Toby is a master of his craft, and know all the little components that make up an immersive story from audio to visuals, to dialogue. It's interesting how well he pulled it off. And who knows... maybe one day monsters will rise from the depths and rejoin us on the surface.
+IamCaptainMan all because of some year old kid who , which is very hard to find, had kindness and compassion
TheSingingGamingArtist That's right. Sometimes, that's literally all you need. A resilience that refuses to just follow the crowd or take the easy road. To always choose mercy over punishment. To heal, and never to hack. It worked in the real world too. Martin Luther King, Gandhi, pacifists that started a non-violent movement. It can change people.
+IamCaptainMan "I hate people who just watch the action without the guts to do it themselves" "I bet there's one of them right now"
Oh crap, he's referring to me watching it on TH-cam o_o;;
You're weak, if you want to see it, do it by yourself (probably you already did it).
Maybe I am, but frankly, I don't think I need to permanently end someone's life (even a fictional character) just to boast about response time and persistence. And no, I didn't do Genocide, and I'm not going to.
Hanako Fairhall If you don't want to do it, don't watch it.
Maybe it was a bad idea to watch it, but for this I go by "Those who don't learn from History are doomed to repeat it" and watching practically every moment was an emotional ordeal for me, but I had to go through that, because frankly, I'm not above the emotional consequences, whether I personally do it or not.
4:20 FOURTH WALL BROKEN!!!!!!!!!!!!
"I have one question for you Chara."
"WHAT ARE THOOOOOOOOOOOSE!!!!!"
GGGGGAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH
stop
Omg XD
This is one instance where Flowey is actually playing the hero instead of the villain
+Snow Field or in this case he shit he roots
+Snow Field Hes a villian/Anti-hero
anti hero is different from villain at first you thought anti hero was alternate to villain
+Austin The Fox Or rather, the lesser of two evils. No hero here, just a lighter shade of bad.
+Austin The Fox
You're mistaking Hero for Villain in distress.
*FLOWEY*
*YOU POOR LITTLE CINNAMON ROLL*
*IM SORRY*
*NOOOOOOOOOOOO*
Oh Asriel... The FEELS are UNREALS.
5:46 "The Demon That Comes When You Call Its Name"... Oh damn.
Undertale gets REALLY dark when you finally realize that the game's story is about two suicidal kids.
And one of them asriel deserved what he got
@Marigold i said asriel.deserved it not chara
@Marigold but he is a genocider
@@joaquinjovane1211 let me educate you.
Chara isn't the villain here
YOU the player are the villain in genocide
You see when you beat genocide and meet Chara, they say something along the lines of, "Thanks to you i know the purpose of my reincarnation" now Chara is the narrator of Undertale, and there's tons of evidence to back that claim up, but anyways, by doing genocide you're technically influencing Chara to believe that genocide is good and thus A megalomaniac is born from that influence, because of you Chara becomes obsessed with power and genocide. But I can't blame you for assuming Chara was the villain since it was originally heavily influenced that they were
@@DreemurrReborn29 dude i never said chara was the villain i said asriel , learn to read first and then reply to me, lol.
7:40 the point where Toby SOMEHOW made you feel like "Oh shit Flowey feels fear right now and might be a better flower and If I continue...."
"Why am I telling you all of this? Chara, I said it before. Even after all this time... You're still the only one that understands me."
Me: Should've stopped right there, Flowey.
"You won't give me any worthless pity! Creatures like us... Wouldn't hesitate to KILL each other if we got in each other's way."
Me: >facepalm< Way to go, idiot. Give 'em ideas! YES, just give 'em! I don't know whether you were planning on betraying Chara and you let that slip by accident or if you were simply being honest with yourself, but you just dug your grave when you said that.
"I realized the purpose of my reincarnation. *Power.*"
Flowey: Creatures like us wouldn't hesitate to kill each other if we got in each others way.
Flowey 3 seconds later: Shouldn't have said that. I should not have said that.
When I played to this point, gotten this far, and Flowey was telling me these things, I thought that it was strange that he was telling me these things.
However, he continued talking, he told of how he did "Pacifist Runs" and did all that that run had to offer. He then told of how he wanted to know what would have happened should he kill everyone instead.
It struck me then, which is one of the reasons that Flowey is in my top 3 favorite characters, that he was basically you, until you came.
It's interesting, really, but when I did the run, I was sad after killing every character, but I never really shed any tears. When you kill Flowey in the end... I had to look away. It was the saddest thing....
Daltheer Fehn *VICIOUS CRYING*
Nah
8:04 You've got a sick sans of humor.
Flowey in a Nutshell
Pacifist Run- "Kill me Frisk"
Genocide Run- "D-don't kill me Frisk! P-please!"
Jesus
Too be honest, if you take forth genocide, Chara's ghost is taking Frisk over
Cause in Pacifist he doesn't have a reason to live but in genocide, he lives for Chara.
+Gamer Face what do you mean fourth genocide? do you mean playing genocide the fourth time? maybe fourth time in a row?
Ivette Martinez It's like post genocide, you play genocide twice, and then play pacifist.
4:32 HE KNOWS
xD
pfeldspar EVERYBODY RUN
About that whole "I bet somebody like that's watching right now, aren't they..?" bit, would it have been a stretch to say that Flowey was really referring to Alphys, not just us players?
After all, she's kind of been the one who's been sitting and watching people die. Alphys even makes mention of that in the botched Genocide ending. She was just watching you slaughter monsters, left and right, and that's all she did. Until finally you kill Undyne she tries to do her part on saving as many monsters that she can. Maybe even after you pass her lab she continued to monitor your progress in hopes that you finally will be stopped. At which point she would signal everyone else that it's safe to go out again.
Considering how Flowey did what we players would have done in Undertale: befriending everyone, solving their problems, pissing them off, and then finally killing them all, Alphys would have been among those people he would know all about. He would probably have known all about how Alphys tends to sit back and just watch people through a monitor. Not to mention that it was Flowey, by proxy of Papyrus's suggestion, that led players to Alphy's true laboratory. If he knew the existence of such a place, then would it be far fetched to say that Flowey knew about how he came into existence, and who made that possible?
While this snide remark is on one level a meta-jab at people who only ever watch people play games, and who will never play it themselves, Flowey might have actually meant that for Alphys. She's the one who created him in the first place, and she's the one witnessed all these horrible events take place, while she herself was protected by a video feed.
Pretty sure Alphys evacuated like everyone else, I mean, she can only watch you in the lab, can she not?
Yeah, maybe Flowey wouldn't have been aware that Alphys stopped monitoring you after Undyne. It's not like he's omniscient, knowing everything that's happening in a single moment. He already shares your power to reload and save infinitely, and just knows people well enough to stab them where it would hurt the most. Though just in case she/anyone else was watching I guess he made that snide reference just for them. At any rate, Flowey's a hardcore jerk.
Anyone else more scared of Chara then any other villain in game history? It's because there are actual people like that in the world and seeing it in such a sweet game is highly disturbing. :(
This made me want to protect Flowey, and not just because he's Asriel. I actually felt bad for the little shit. He can possibly be helped (if not through a lot of treatment then maybe Alphys can figure out something), Chara can't.
+NedSer145 Plays And by the only person he thought would understand him. :(
I need to look at some silly Papyrus stuff to balance out all these feels.
+NedSer145 Plays His perception of who Chara really was was overshadowed by his desire to feel a connection with someone. I think that desire is what also pushed him to do what he did (pacifist and genocide route). His goal wasn't strictly to hurt people like Chara (though he obviously didn't take issue with it), his goal was to make everyone understand his point of view, his kill or be kill ideology.
In the end all of this was because he's a little boy who felt very alone. The lost of his empathy separated him from everyone else and so to solve it he hoped to make everyone feel like he did by force.
NedSer145 Plays Nope, I justed like blabbing sometimes. Character anylisis is fun for me. :)
NedSer145 Plays I was typing too fast and missed that. XD
No
Part of the reason why I love this game so much is that it's such a psychological and moving game. I've never felt so genuinely shocked and surprised about a video game character's backstory before. Undertale evokes so many negative and sad feelings that absolutely crush you, but it's all so good at the same time ;u;
This is why Flowey's my favourite character. He's not REALLY evil, he's just a messed up kid.
That's what I begin to think...until he says something so despicable that any shred of pity I have for him flies right out the window.
Both siblings are
Nah, he's evil
@@joaquinjovane1211 SO UR SAYİNG ASRİEL İS EVİL
@@irem4624 yes
"I bet someone like that's watching right now, aren't they...?"
I swear, this game is even talking to the people not playing it
7:25
There is something I find truly unsettling about seeing Flowey show legitimate fear...
"It is kill or be killed." -Flowey. The moment when he realize, that he is not above this rule is.. PRICELESS
I can't help but wonder... if someone in real life had that power to return and fix mistakes, would their worldview become as distorted as Flowey's? I know humans are far more complex than characters, but would they start seeing other people, including their closest friends, as nothing more than caricatures? I mean, if nothing you do has consecuence, what's stopping you from killing, torturing, or doing other horrible things for the sake of curiosity?
You don't have to turn back time to feel that way. I do. I dont kill & never wanted to but I do see people as pathetic caricature. Once I was a kind loving friend who was always there for everyone & I got used & destroyed for it. I kept listening to people stupidity. Then, when I decided to take my place, they all hated me & called me an asshole. So yeah, I have a hard time not seeing most people as hypocrites.
After this I kinda feel bad for flowey! I mean look at the flower! He's so afraid of you and your sick sick twisted little child mind, focused on the death and torment of others.
Cedric Doguiles And floweys a child too! Think about it; flowey reunited with the one person that could understand him and the one person he would care about if he could, and then he gets the most brutal murder of all; swift 8 slashes causing slow, painful death. It's so depressing. Flowey never gets a happy ending in any route and it's so unfair
Am I the only one who only watched this so I could hear Flowey's story?
I watched it because I realize how much I relate to it and how fucked up my mind is.
+Light NS Yeah.
Followed in chara's footsteps...? So then Flowey committed suicide and that's how he found out about resets... o_o
3:49 y u should never look at spoilers
eh I still do it xD
+TheSingingGamingArtist same
4:20 "At least we're better than those sickos that stand around and watch it happen" - Flowey.
"Flowey broke the 4th wall" - undertale Wiki.
I feel bad for flowey
He saw chara die
He got killed
He was reincarnated but soulless
He could no longer love and have anybody love him. He got tired of seeing people repeat stuff
He got bored of everyone being happy when he never was
He wondered something
"What if they died?"
He did it
It wasnt even joy just a fake version
He realised everything from him was gone. Leaving him soulless and hateful
I dont just understand him
I feel bad for him.
Im one of the few who like flowey
He was my favorite character at first but now that i know his backstory he is now one hundred percent my favorite character. It makes me sad seeing 90% of the fandom hate him so much
Guys I'm worried about my mental health I actually felt like laughing when Flowey got scared WHY?????? I WOULDn'T KILL A FLY MAN, THIS IS REALLY WEIRD
oh n o
What music plays during that part
+Pika Pika Chu On My Way
+Bella! Pffftt. 7:26 - the end of the video is my favorite part. I'm perfectly fine.
Sligneris WELL, it IS a talking video game flower, I'm probably just being silly, you're right
Honestly, this whole scene is probably my favorite part of the game. Throughout the entire genocide route, I had pretty much been starved of connection to any of the characters. So bonding with Flowey over our shared villainy was actually a really fun thought throughout most of the scene.
Having that whole thing ripped away from me when flowey started to get scared of me was almost as heartbreaking as the papyrus “fight”.
flowey doing that creepy face and saying "but nobody came" is pretty eerie
*internal screaming*
also screaming internally
What must that be like for Flowey... to be a sociopath, feel absolutely nothing, be COMPLETELY emotionally numb, and then suddenly feel real terror?
This game KNOWS. 'There's people that want to know, but are too afraid to do it themselves. I bet someone like that's watching right now, aren't they...?' Flowey is talking about US, the VIEWERS. Unbelievable.
mostly talking about the player.
the player themselves can't really bring themselves to killing people for "true victory".
Toby didn't expect this game to be popular.
The viewer thing is just a funny coincidence.
I imagine Flowey having emotions back after 1. turning back into a Flower from Asriel in pacifist or 2. Realizing you'll kill him in Genocide
hense why he's shaking, scared, and when you go to Asgore, and you kill him, with Flowey finishing him, he's still scared, and hense the "I don't want to die!" with Asriel's face
o3o
+Mike Smokefox I think he only lacks the capacity for wholly benevolent emotions (eg. happiness, love) due to a lack of SOUL, but can still experience other emotions like anger, disgust and fear.
i feel bad for flowey he only wanted a friend who understand him and change every thing for him chara was like every thing to him ;( im crying
One of the best, well, deeply impactful more accurately, moments of the game in my humble opinion. Executed so flawlessly, and its been a while since a movie has made feel philosophical dread, which I didn't even know was possible or even a thing.
I'll tell ya, Flowey's not the only one who broke out in a cold sweat when he said, "Creatures like us won't hesitate to kill each other if they got in each other's way."
-BTW, that line also only makes absolute sense if you've done the True Lab.
I know after Chara died, the real Asriel was able to absorb his soul and that's why Chara can control him. I'm just confused on how Asriel merged with a flower. Is it because his dust spread across the patch of yellow flowers and...I don't know...got absorbed into one? And then Alphys ended up injecting DETERMINATION into THAT flower?
Not only Flowey calls out players that manipulate games to their own satisfaction and viewers that are too scared to do it themselves. But also, calls out games that make the players feel mighty by killing everything that stands in your way. Man, thank God I live in a world where someone has the guts to make a videogame like this one.
I hate him
Flowey: Chara, I just have one question for you...
Flowey: WHAT ARE THOSE?!?!?!
they are my crocs
7:26
When even Flowey is scared of you, that shows *you’re the real monster.*
Him talking about the people who just watch a video of the genocide route instead of doing it themselves still scares me
Did you realize that when flowey encounters you you get a smiley face instead of an exclamation mark (!)
*No chocolate
I'm sorry but that made me chuckle too much-
4:23 - 4:32
Many people that played the pacifist route don't play the genocide route because they think they would ruin everyone's happiness after being free from the underground. They cared about the monsters' happiness, which that means love makes you weak. I totally agree with this. The more people you love, the weaker you are. It might explain why Sans is so strong when you fight him. The only person he cares about is Papyrus.
“Many people that played the pacifist route don't play the genocide route because they think they would ruin everyone’s happiness after being free.”
You say that like it's a bad thing.
1:04 I just realized that flowey's face looks like the "😦" emoji in a Facebook version
I've read every book, I've burned every book, I've won every game, I've lost every game, I've appeased everyone, I've killed everyone. Sets of numbers ... lines of dialog. . I've seen them all. I'm the demon that comes when people call its name. It doesn't matter when. It doesn't matter where. Genocide only way to play.
This whole sections seems a little "OFF" to me...
Ha
+thatsmokerwasme Speaking of which, was it made by the same guy? Or did it just take inspiration from it? Because, to be honest, I love games like this and Off.
+Dustin Kehr No, Undertale was made by Toby Fox. OFF was made by Mortis Ghost. They are definitely not the same person, since Mortis is Belgian
I almost cry cause of Flowey story cause the part he said "MOM DAD somebody help me!!" but nobody came cause its just like my parents when I need them but..........sometimes they came when i need them and sometimes...............when i really really need them they..................never...... came 😦 im just alone
Flowey you broke the 4th wall!!
Now we got to repair it again..
4:11 pay attention to the apostrophe right before the I'm, he didn't conclude his saying at all...
Fun Fact:
4:20 - 4:33 These lines are only spoken if the game detects a recording device, he will not say any of this if you aren't recording at that moment.
What killed the suspense and made me emotionless to the whole idea of killing Flowey is that after seeing him at the end of this part of the video, where he says "Just go back, I think this is actually all fine...", if you decide to listen and went ahead and reset the SAVE file, he actually has the gall to criticize you, saying "Really? Whatever..." and "Why? Why? WHY?!! Why did you have to back out at the last minute instead of finishing what we started?!" at the neutral ending.
Seeing that, I became a TRUE Flowey...
Oh...now I just kinda feel bad for Flowey.
It's a funny thing Isn't it? The more you hate someone, the easier it is to make them stop living.
But as much as you love someone, you can't bring them back from the dead.
"I bet someone like that's watching right now, aren't they?"
Nope. A veteran player, actually.
Flowey...stahp. Stop breaking the demon damn (won't say God's name in vain) 4th wall
It's creepy and heart breaking
GOD AND JESUS DONT LOVE YOUUU, THEY ADORE YOU
+Colin Mcewan xD uhm OK
What wall would be broken if it was a circular room?
+Flowey teh Flower :P HOLY FUCK MIND BLOWN
+Sw4gzilla
Dun Dun dun
Flowey and us (the player) share a significant amount of parallels it’s crazy. What amazing writing is that.
I look at Flowey as his own being. Asriel is the vessel, Flowey is the creator.
Brilliant assessment. I'd never thought of it that way.
Flowey's story is really the saddest of all.
7:25
"I never thought leopards would eat MY face" -Flowey
Anyone think Chara could've been an honorable mention on Joshscorcher's top 10 evil characters list?
+NintendoPlayerSega Even if Chara is one of the evilest character in video game, I'd see why there was no mention. Maybe he considers Chara something more like an eldritch abomination than a person. It's hinted that Chara isn't a simple child but something like an evil spirit. And Joshcorcher said he excluded eldritch abominations from his top 10 because they would all win place #1 since they are evil incarnate in the first place.
chara isnt really a character though, more of an idea of a player who goes on the path of killing everything just to gain stats and doesn't feel anything towards the characters they are killing.
+Garrik But, they _did_ have a significant role in the backstory.
Chara is implied to be more than simply a symbol of the average gamer. Chara actually has a back story and personality of his own. Chara's is mostly ambiguous though so we can only guess what Chara is actually like, but I doubt Chara originally was evil.
Stephen Actually, that's Frisk... Chara only follows on Frisk's footsteps..
When the Genocide route makes you feel bad for Flowey. WHY WASN'T THIS IN THE PACIFIST ROUTE!?
I don't
My thoughts immediately changed when they entered the last corridor. At first I was like, "Wow, I should pay more attention when playing the game. I barely felt anything during this scene!" then when they got to the last corridor I was like, "OH BOI YOU GONNA HAVE A BAD TIME OHOHOHOH"
You know something's fucked up when FLOWEY is SCARED of you.
I never was scared of the Genocide Route, but seeing Flowey so scared made me start shivering too
If you think about it, Asriel isn't the real villain here, at all.
Chara used to bully him, and went so far as to manipulate him into going along with her plan, but, when Chara and Asriel fused and got to the surface, I doubt she expected that he'd be so reluctant to fight the humans to the point it would get them both killed. Her plan failed pretty quickly.
Chara in the past was once just a child,with a lot of issues obviously, but y'know,still a child.I think at some point she did grow fond of her new family...she [as a narrator] always gets completely silent when Frisk is hurting Asgore, or when looking at old pictures of happier times, as if she's having a hard time seeing it. It could be that Chara was somehow trying to fulfill the prophecy about the angel who comes and frees monsterkind from the underground in her own reckless way. She was already a troubled child, and I think all their expectations and hopes must have weighed heavily on her.
...so it would feel like a betrayal if Asriel, her own adoptive family,completely refused to help when they got to the surface. Why would he refuse to exterminate the beings that brought nothing but pain, to both monsterkind and her? She must have died feeling betrayed by everyone, humans, monsters, and family alike...which would explain why her specter comes back with the intent not to only destroy humans, but the whole world this time around...and her particular hatred for Flowey/Asriel.
...it would explain why Flowey says "n-no hard feelings about...back then...right?!" - when he starts to feel fear - he finally realizes he's really talking to his old-time-friend-bully Chara, and no longer just projecting her onto Frisk - so he must be talking about the distant past.
"Back then" - Since they were sharing the same body, he must have known she felt betrayed when both of them died. It seems as if now she hates Flowey/Asriel above all... Have you noticed how vicious she is when she finally gets to kill him? She keeps hacking and hacking until there is literally nothing left of him. Her hatred burns so deeply that she even butchers Asgore - even though it seemed he was her weak spot in the past- just to get to Flowey... after which she just instantly destroys everything,as though she had accomplished what she wanted to do.
He didn't help her back then, and her plan failed because of it, and so in his final plight to Chara when she's about to kill him, he calls her best friend and says that he'll help...he can help...she can use him...he won't get in her way this time...but she doesn't trust him anymore.
It was Chara that got Asriel killed long ago, and is indirectly responsible for all of his suffering... and in the genocide route she gets to torment him even further before finally ending him once and for all.
There's something you're missing: the "hacking and hacking" doesn't happen until you push Chara into it. When Flowey shifts to Asriel's voice and says "Please don't kill me", there's a pause. Seeing it was Asriel made Chara come to her senses. At that point, you could turn the game off, reset, go back. Bring Chara and Frisk back to who they once were. But if you press the Z button, you goad Chara over the edge and THEN she kills Flowey. At that point she's become so corrupted that she's not herself anymore, but Flowey turning into Asriel is able to break through that corruption until you goad her into killing him.
Also though Chara was pretty evidently suicidal, there's no evidence of Chara bullying Asriel. When Flowey said "No hard feelings about back then, right?" he was referring to when he and Chara combined their souls together and had split control over Asriel's body. Chara wanted Asriel to attack the humans because she hated humanity, but Asriel used his power to not fight back. Flowey was simply talking about stopping both himself and Chara from reacting violently against humanity.
Nana Lu Uh...There is no proof that Chara is a girl.
Nana Lu chara never betrayed or killed anyone, instead, she sacrificed herself for the family and for the world who adopted her the only ones who didnt abuse her like humans did
when you are mercyful so is chara, when you are a sick murderer chara even says AN OTHER PATH WOULD BE BETTER SUITED she actually says DONT KILL ANYONE AGAIN she says that feeling, that uncorftable feeling that guilty feeling whenever your stats increases thats her
you cannot save asriel in the mercyful route like your other friends because YOU DONT HAVE MEMORIES OF ASRIEL but how did he manage to wake up those good memories? because it wasn't you, it was CHARA
when you are merciful so is chara
chara represents the punishment you sick murderes deserve after killing everyone in front of her you do not understand the meaning of undertale and seek other characters to blame for your actions
chara never chose to fight
it was YOU it was YOUR PLAN it was YOUR FAULT but when chara tells you that you get angry at her how sick you are
Guys since you seem that you know your stuff....can you plz answer me a question...chara took over frisk's body? Or are they two different entities? In the end of genocide the chara you see is a frisk body possed by chara or chara with her body that had risen from grave?
silci Nah chara is basically a demon who possesses the player in genocide route. If that's not enough, she was pretty intent on destroying humanity before she was killed and even tried to pressure Asriel into it. Which is why Asriel is so intent on killing you as he mistakes you for chara.
I don't know about you but this part feels more like it gives more information on flowey.
Flowey's experience sounds like an Elder Scrolls game. In that series many NPC's are unique and, when you kill them, they disappear from the game. But at any time, you can make multiple saves and restart from any of them. This lets you test out player responses and see how the world is affected.
2:16 "I just wanted to love someone."
Me: OMIGOSH!! Flowey wants someone 😊
"I bet someone like that's watching right now aren't they..."
Me: **visibly shaken**
when flowey says "It's kill or be killed!" I'mma be like:
is this game part of the DanganRonpa Series? and you're fricken Monokuma?? WTF?? XD
I think Flowey needed a reaction if you reseted the game after the dialogue in 7:25. If he remembers anything after a reset, he could at least remember what he said in this dialogue