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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 ก.ค. 2023
- #undertale #flowey #determination
Chapters:
0:00 Hello!
0:11 Spare Toriel w/o EXP
1:05 Spare Toriel w/ any EXP
1:47 Kill Toriel only once (Have not encountered her before)
2:23 Kill Toriel twice
2:50 Kill Toriel 3+ times
3:08 Kill Toriel on Genocide
3:46 Kill, then spare Toriel
4:47 Spare, then kill Toriel
5:38 Spare, then kill Toriel (But you already heard Flowey mentioning saving)
6:04 Skip Toriel
6:19 Outro
Flowey judging you negatively when you kill will always be one of my favorite things
It’s always so strange
Except if you kill everyone
because he takes it as your ideals collapsing on itself whenever you decide to kill cause its too hard to be a pacifist
I mean the maniacal laughter kind of tells you he doesn't really care.
Nah, he's not judging you really, just mocking you, remember his genocide dialogue in new home, he was no different abusing the ability to save.
the fact that flowey gets mad at you when you dont kill yet he gets mad at you when you do kill is hilarious
Yeah I think that's just his narcissistic behavior pretty interesting I find it really funny though
Basically it means it’s criticism is worthless
I don't think he really gets mad about you killing, more like he's trying to get into your head by making you feel bad. He doesn't try doing so if you are genocide level apathetic killer, so he doesn't need to pull any strings and there is no points to make
He doesn’t get mad when you kill her, he knows that you are as much of a monster as he is
it's moreso taunting you
When Flowey said “Error”, I felt that
When
When
6:11
@@littishishstudios8383 yeah, but when?
It's not error, it's just Flowey get SO angry at you so he decided to softlock your game.
the way flowey's face also forms into toriel's face when you first kill then spare her is actually horrifying. you should've seen my face at that exact moment lol
Same lol I was like 😨
It's Asriel's face.
(I'm a party popper don't I)
Flowey trying to criticize you is my favourite piece of hypocrisy
Flowey is not criticizing you. He merely finds in fun to make you feel bad.
@@rampantmutt9119Or just to say that you are, in fact, bad but not in a criticizing way. He is just complimenting you or kinda saying "If you did worse, maybe you could compare yourself to me lol"
I remember I accidentally killed Toriel and then spared her on my first run of undertale (thinking it was like asgores fight). Seeing the first instance of this game remembering what you do and then judging you for it gave me so many chills…
same (on the demo though)
I think the kill,then spare toriel is the best one. Most players in RPGs probably go for killing sinc eyou always go for levelling up, just like in pokemon. So, the player would kill toriel, feel REALLY bad for her, override their save file and be suprised by this after making up
Toby is a genius or just a very good secret hider.
It also really demonstrates how much the game is against “forgive and forget”
That's what happened to me ! What Flowey said shocked me so much, it was at this moment I know I was going to love this game !
i think that's the intended route yeah. if you kill toriel, flowey comments on how there's supposedly no way for you to go back and change the outcome. which i think is Toby's way of hinting to the player that they should try reloading their save and fixing things
@@leonardorolingstella8554this game is really against this, when you do geno it will never be forgotten even if you unnistal the game
The battle makes it likely this happens since each hit you deal does a tiny amount of damage, and then suddenly a hit deals like half her health.
I haven't played undertale in years, so i finally played it today. and when i got to flowey he said "Don't you have anything better to do?" something like that, and i got so creeped out.
Yeah, it happens when you reset a neutral/pacifist run that's still in progress. On genocide, he says "Seriously?" IIRC
@@Octopus2480 Oh! Didn't know that. Thanks.
“YOU DISGUSTING ANIMAL
YOU DIDN’T EVEN TRY TO SPARE HER” Gave me chills the first time it happened to me
ESSAY TIME
Flowey is such an interesting and complex character honestly, I feel like I see a lot of takes in the fandom that are often selling his character rather cheap imo. What I take away from this dissonance between his “damned if you do damned if you don’t” attitude of judging you NO MATTER what you do is that Flowey is berating himself through you, because he has a tendency to do two things:
1) Feeling immensely and overly guilty (Deltarune Yoshi incident, his “is this revenge? Haha…making me watch you act all pure and happy, while I-“ quote, the fact he actually OWNS UP to his faults in Pacifist) 2) Lash out and generally behaving like a little assholish bitch XDD
Those two traits create a DICHOTOMY like no other, making him probably feel like he’s losing his mind, and seeking for an outlet to cope with it. Notice how he only lashes out when really emotionally involved (he’s rather neutral when talking about Undyne or Alphys, but always has something taunting about Toriel or Asgore to say, due to contradictory feelings. The fact that talking about Papyrus is as nice as he gets openly, without any duality, but he calls Sans a “smiley TRASHBAG”… only to COPYCAT him in the final battle! Like he secretly admires him for being a cool final boss, but since he CAUSED HIM SO MUCH HEADACHE HE’LL NEVER ADMIT IT… it kinda reinforces my idea). He tends to project his thoughts and trauma onto others, when he recognises in you what he hates in himself he will berate you, when he sees something he always pitied himself for he will actually genuinely pity you (“So I don’t get it? If you actually did everything the right way why did things turn out this way? Is the world really that unfair?” “Hurts doesn’t it?”) CHARA however is a whole other can of worms and is an exception: his worldview is very fragile he KNOWS that he FEELS that but if he ACTUALLY will be proven wrong about that HE WILL CRUMBLE because it’s the only thing he hangs onto, when he’s so unsure of EVERYTHING. So he needs CHARA to NOT crumble. He holds CHARA to a very high regard and thinks they just KNOW BETTER(Chara’s tragedy is that they were proclaimed the Chosen One in such an early age by an entire kingdom, and they felt the obligation to deliver, accidentally gaslighting themselves and their closest friend that its true..when in reality they both were children and Chara was not some greatest hero). Flowey behaves in no Mercy differently, because he wants to believe CHARA will understand him. But he simultaneously views himself as a monster beyond redemption. So “CHARA” in that route matches his description of himself to a T, it does not compromise his worldview/ defy it to any extent, so it gives him his reassurance in his comfortable delusions and relief.
If you look at his character not through this lens what he says does not seem to make much sense, those contradictions are confusing so people usually write him off as JUST a hypocrite, or JUST a sadist, but this take (while I deduced it myself and I may have overlooked something i dunno) it makes EVERY single thing he says in EVERY of his forms entirely consistent! And makes him really freaking complex.
SO BASICALLY
He’s self absorbed but not really entirely malicious towards other people. It’s like his psyche inverted: he used to neglect his needs and wants, and gave himself away, until there was nothing left to give and he became ignorant towards others instead, always in his own head and not concerned with anything around him. A GOOD KID, He has a lot of redeeming qualities I swear I am Papyrus’ alt account😭
You're right about how much more intensely he talks about Toriel or Asgore than the other characters. He may not be able to feel love or happiness, but he's certainly able to feel distress, frustration, fear, and hatred. His strong positive past feelings for people he cared about come out in expressions of other strong emotions.
And I do think he hates himself a lot. He's in a situation where he's fallen to his worst urges out of never-ending boredom and despair, and he absolutely knows better than that, but he feels that his only choice is to embrace being evil. I think he knows that even if he did everything "right" and tried to improve the world with his SAVE power like he used to, it would feel pointless. He still wouldn't feel happy, and he would still hate himself - never able to forget what kind of person he can be. I think that's why he taunts you for your past mistakes even if you reload and spare Toriel. He doesn't understand forgiveness.
Error is the creepiest one by far
3:22 "You're [Name] and
Error got me 😂
Flowey's self loathing really rears its head here, huh?
4:47 can also happen if you spare her until she tells you to go upstairs and then use FIGHT
Why does it give me chills when the error happens
I remember doing genocide with friends for fun. That was our reason for downloading the game. When we did and had enough, I uninstalled the game. After many years I felt the need to play on my own and do a pacifist run. When I heard flowey saying that I didn't kill anybody this time, I immediately reseted every file responsible for him knowing any of my past actions (I thought the game remembers even when re-installed). When I heard him saying this again I was like what the heck, how else do you want me to brainwash you again? I checked half of the youtube, and It turned out that he says that normally on the first run. I'm still confused about why he does that
Well, most games DO remember your data even after you uninstall them.
But the reason Flowey does that for the same reason Sans thinks you know what's gonna happen and have a "special power" if you killed Papyrus in Neutral. Because you think you have to fight Toriel, but if she is at like 2/5 of her HP, she will die in one hit. I even did an intentional weak hit when that happened so I won't kill her accidentally.
Sans does that because Papyrus literally spared you, and nobody in their right mind would kill him if they wanted to play the game normally.
He knows this isn't going to be your last time.
This video is a prime example that Undertale is on the list of (nearly) immortal games along with Minecraft and some others
Calm down it hasn’t been nearly long enough to call either of those games immortal
I can understand why flowey would see us as heartless monsters - from his perspective it makes total sense.
We aren't humans (from their world, I mean) - we're gods in a souless body. We play the game as normal the first time, emmerseing ourselves into the world of undertale and being empathetic...until...
...until it gets boring.
After that, you stop caring about being empathic or kind, and start doing things just to see what would happen - afterall, they're not real, it's just a game without consequence, right?
In this way, we kind of are the animalistic monster that flowey calls us - he realised that his entire world was just a mere *game* to us.
In game dialogue aside, yes, just fiction. We have the power of pataphysics while all it’s got is limp criticism 😎
Well to be fair that’s how he treated the world around him
I like how Flowey calls us a monster if we have beef with Toriel and just encourages us to kill everyone in a genocide route
Flowy: um uhhh flowey.exe stopped working
i love when he says "Error"
for those who don't read descriptions:
0:00 Hello!
0:11 Spare Toriel w/o EXP
1:05 Spare Toriel w/ any EXP
1:47 Kill Toriel only once (Have not encountered her before)
2:23 Kill Toriel twice
2:50 Kill Toriel 3+ times
3:08 Kill Toriel on Genocide
3:46 Kill, then spare Toriel
4:47 Spare, then kill Toriel
5:38 Spare, then kill Toriel (But you already heard Flowey mentioning saving)
6:04 Skip Toriel
6:19 Outro
thanks for the informations! subscribed
Very nice :3
Hey, you forgot when flowey introduces himself, after you talk to him quit the game, and do this 2 times he’ll say “dont you have anything better to do?”
Could you cover the Undyne dialogues ?
Before her fight , just like flowey, she calls the player out for the monsters they killed.
So far I got her to talk about the dog knights. The player wandering around aimlessly, and snowdrake.
W content absolutely
That's a wonderful idea!
error is hilarious
The animation of Flowey's head bulbously expanding into his evil grin *really* got to me the first time I saw it (on pacifist mode).
Seeing it happen again in other versions of the story is equally freaky. Toby really knows how to get to ya.
I didn’t even think of debugging to skip Toriel! I guess I should’ve expected it to do that, but still interesting. I wonder what else you could do by skipping through rooms and sequence breaking.
underrated creator
Good content, would like to see more.
S E L F I S H B R A T
I think Flowey hates himself a lot. He has a moral compass - he knows what it is to be a good person. He absolutely knows better than to be the kind of monster he is. This is why he taunts you for doing things wrong. But in his situation, being unable to feel empathy, and being trapped in a never-ending existence of boredom and despair, he's succumbed to his own worst urges.
Not only does he feel that it's pointless to seek out a "good ending" like he used to because everything feels game-like and false (and also because he's been burned before by trying to be a pacifist), but I think he also knows that being good wouldn't erase the horrible things he's done before reloading. He would never be able to forget how awful he can be. That's why he doesn't let you forget either.
It's clear he doesn't understand forgiveness - he doesn't even think you should forgive him. He doesn't see any redemption for himself, so his only option is to try to embrace the role of the sadistic villain and purge himself of all regret. Good people make him feel uncomfortable, so he tries to tear them down by making them feel guilty or corrupting them to be like him.
Flowey in undertale yellow at beginning: 😊❤
In undertale: 💀😈
flowey when you kill someone: 😠
flowey when you spare somone: 😠
“That’s a wonderful idea!”
Isn’t there a dialogue where you keep sparing Toriel then when she stops attacking you, you just kill her instantly than flowery gives you a different piece of dialogue?
It's kind of funny. In the beginning Flowey judges you. In the end Sans will. And what they say to you will be basically the same. Flowey will say that you're evil if you kill and so does Sans. And yet Flowey is the complete opposite of Sans
You missed one: the betrayal kill. You first fight toriel until her hip is at the lowest, then spare her and finally when she is the most vulnerable, you kill her
Hi. I'm making a big project for Undertale, and I was wondering if I could use some of this footage. It would save me hours of time recording, and you would be credited in the description of the video.
Sorry for the late reply, but yeah sure!
@undernoobyoutube Thank you so much!
When Flowey says "Error" could that count as canon?
the last one made me laugh idk why
I wanna know what happens if you kill everybody. But you don't get the but nobody came screen because you didn't kill everybody in the area. You've just killed everybody you seen
Cool
I thought the one where you spare Toriel after killing her is creepy, but now i think the "Error" one is much creepier.
On my first playthrough I didn’t know I had a choice on whether to spare toriel or kill her. So I killed her. And papyrus
‘ERROR’ is really funny
So Many Differences…
6:11 ERROR
i love the part where flowey says Error!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1!!1!1!1!1!!1!1!1!1!
i like how you named yourself name as a symbol of what you pick
You: *skip Toriel*
Flowey: Hiya, pal! Wanna hear my impression of a Geiger counter?
(never played Undertale lol)
I like this video
I never knew the last two
I’ve seen all of the flowey diploid on the video.
3:26
Funny enough I almost did a clean Pacifist run, reset and did Genocide in ruins just to see if Flowey would recognize them as Chara, then I did a reset AGAIN, to see if I can do a Pacifist run after Flowey already sees Frisk as Chara before the True Lab!
If you skipped they shouldve done something like the dirty cheater ending
1:57 I thought Flowery knew about the reset button?
Why is this TH-camr so underrated???
Algorithm preference
This is legit stuff
omg
i swear to god if i had my qwmbliy GUN ON ME RIGHT NOW?!
:D Error
I killed and then spared toriel
i know another one. So basically, undyne the undying was too hard for me, so i reset, and then Flowey said, "Really [Player Name]?"
Now I'm just sitting here wondering how you gave your name brackets
Have you ever heard of files modding?
@@sneerybog9399 I guess I never thought that it would work
Have you heard of floweys time machine?
You forgot about sparing toriel on genocide
Thats basically sparing toriel w/ exp
What Happens If You Spare Every Monster In Ruins But Kill Toriel?
That's killing toriel without exp
It’ll be the same as killing her on a non-Genocide run.
Why does Flowey glitch at the final one?
Because you can't normally skip Toriel
0:56
Killed one whimsum and bros acting like I killed everybody in the ruins
I remember when I first bought the game I thought I had bought a fake version when Flowey's face didn't expand.
RCCH
Hm
flowey such a hater
th-cam.com/video/kvWMx9Em5HY/w-d-xo.html
WAIT YOU CAN SPARE TORIEL
DUDE ARE YOU KILLING EVERYONE IN THAT GMAE
@@realknightmelonmpg No, just toriel
Well it's a bit too late now @@do_t
Idk why flowey laughs all time when you kill her.
Skipping Toriel Idea-
"Wow... Just wow.
You couldn't handle having to fight her. You were afraid what will happen.
So you straight up changed the world by any means to avoid the conflict against the tutorial boss.
Golly, I can't tell if you are a dirty cheater who believe they can get away with anything without any consequences...
OR IF YOU'RE JUST A COWARD!" *Laugh*
how do i have more subs than you whatt
bro has no name??? how pls tell me i have undertale on nintendo and i really wanna know
(3:23)
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