Yeah, white liberal LBJ wasn't uncomfortable at all. In fact, he was quite presient. But that Southern Strategy brought to you by Lee Atwater was so incredibly righteous. Law and Order, police brutality against blacks, like always, though. The thing about resentment is that it's poison. A person is taking poison hoping that it will kill other people. Swallow up and keep swallowing while it poisons you so that just like LBJ said, you keep emptying those pockets too.
Your have only offered a partial truth. I am a 72 year old working class liberal. I never abandoned the New Deal principles, although I did support other social justice issues as well as social justice for the working class. I am college educated, with majors in economics and sociology: and who also worked in a factory and other blue collar jobs. I have worked in some white collar positions working with people: but I have never had a job paying high wages. I would agree that moralistic puristic thinking can lead one to forget the bread and butter issues of everyday people. But that does NOT mean that ALL liberals abandoned the working class to follow the neoliberalism of the Clintons. You have oversimplified the story. Even after the Reagan era there always were and still are many liberals like me. I am tired of the 4 decades of shitting on the working class by rich, but that did not lead me to the republicans and MAGA. I want the New Deal rebuilt, or using the language of the young the creation of Social Democracy 2.0.
What makes me uncomfortable is hearing liberals or anyone else referring to liberals as "the left" or "part of the left" in regard to the global political spectrum, which they aren't and never have been. They are literal right-wingers by the liberal democracy with liberal capitalism as an economic system ideology that they support and have historically allied with conservatives to protect the profits of the capitalist class from leftists, who are anarchists, socialists, and communists. The only reason liberals sided with labor in the New Deal era was because of the pressure that leftists (see above) were putting on the capitalist class during the Depression. Liberals have never been a willing friend of the working class, and neither have conservatives. That's because both factions work for the capitalist class, and working-class Americans vote against their own rational self-interests by supporting either capitalist class owned and operated for the benefit of the capitalist class political parties that we have to choose from. The US hasn't had a "left" for 70 years, killed off by both liberals and conservatives. Do a video on that.
@@neveklund3267 You still vote against your own interests by supporting Democrats, who work for the capitalist class. I've been a blue collar worker in the construction industry for 40 years, and have had zero representation in Washington in that time by either party. Being a working class liberal is incoherent as is being a working class conservative, as both parties exist to further the interests of the capitalist class at the expense of the working class.
@@jakerivets2249 Having worked in both blue and white collar jobs, my entire life, I know that the conservatives are all about screwing over the working class to enrich those already rich. I will NEVER support conservatism and its hatred and desire to effectively enslave the working class. I am opposed to the rich elite, and as the rich have been working to undermine the working people and push them in absolute poverty ever since Reagan entered the white house. I wanted Bernie, and I was not happy that Biden got the 2020 nomination; but Biden was better than trump: and I shall vote for Biden again, even though I am not thrilled with his pro-corporate tendencies. I value democracy and freedom in opposition to any dictatorship, such as the trump objective. I KNOW where my interests lie, and it is not with the republicans.
It gets covered up. I didn't hear a lot of what Trump said about the deep state until years later. Luckily we learn about this stuff faster now because of the internet, they cant just hide it all. I see people said it's worse, but I actually think we have the upper hand now. Everything is documented, recorded. They can't air a news clip and just have it swept under the rug never to be seen again. Recently the Biden laptop report, they tried to say it was all fake. Back then they'd be able to destroy any evidence, but now the nearly 10,000 photos and the 700 page report book is all on the Internet for all to see.
In the New World people won't have to work. They will just have to follow orders. The word "work" will be redefined by the higher party which will show all that freedom is slavery.
It's an excellent example of early Republican dog whistles...Serious, before Evangicals moved in waving the Bible, followed today by Nationalist. It's early Atwater.
@@monica1811 More blacks ended up in poverty following Clinton's massive welfare reform law than had been in poverty prior. Even he now admits it. Get your facts straight. Stop listening to propaganda.
So is "Welfare".. That stuff is what keeps our economy moving. These programs started in the 30s because if you can't buy stuff, you can't make stuff...It's not about helping poor people.
Read the April 2016 Harpers Magazine article entitled, 'Legalize it All' by Dan Baum. The "War on Drugs" was a proxy war to covertly attack key political enemies in broad daylight. Former Nixon Admin DPA/Counsel John Ehrlichman stated the following in that article from a 1994 interview, _“The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I’m saying? We knew we couldn’t make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did.”_
This video just described what happened to the Australian Labor Party and how they abandoned the working class. It’s obviously a global trend that led to populism because no one was speaking for working class concerns anymore.
@@Handle1969 The democratic processes that were strengthened after WWII across the West have been steadily eroded over the last few decades by growing corporate interests that has captured government and has left the working class and lower middle class stranded and voiceless in the political arena. Corporations own the politicians, the media and social media, so the human rights enshrined after the atrocities of the war, such as freedom of expression has now become a joke as governments in Canada, UK, France, Australia and the US try to control speech through legislation that seeks to control “misinformation” and “disinformation”. In other words, governments are trying to develop ministries of truth, where they decide what is acceptable speech. Democracy and voting is just the puppet show. The super rich are absolutely in control of everything now. This is why there are minor revolutions taking place around the world in an attempt to wrest control back over our lives from a powerful minority. We are at a dangerous crossroads.
I miss those days. I was 10 back then, and I remember the feeling of listening to the older folks. The silent generation that survived through the wars. They were wise, and it never would have occurred to me back then that when I got older the world would become ruled by a bunch of lunatic ding bats. I am frankly quite terrified that one of our clown leaders will take a wrong decision and have us all killed. That would have never happened 30-40 years ago.
@@ChawkletStudios I'm 44, not much I could have done. Besides, I spent 20 years in the Navy in my country. During my time in the forces I was reminded many times to not get involved in politics, so I didn't. I'm not sure I quite understand all your comment. English is not my mother tongue.
Kind of ironic that you say our leaders could have us all killed now but not 30-40 year ago when back in that time ago the whole world was on the brink of destruction with the cold war and cuban middle crisis and as you hear stories about events from that time they talk about how we were all one decision here or there away from launching nukes at each other. but i’m guessing you meant it in more of a sense that our leaders today don’t know what they’re doing, they’re idiots and could possibly cause a problem where there wasn’t even one to begin with?
@@ChawkletStudiosyou’re right about we ALL let it happen, but talking shit the way you do, you must be from the generation that can’t tell one sex from another and chugs tide pods for tik tok videos. Y’all can’t even do wrong right.
@@ChawkletStudios what was he meant to do? He's just 1 person. It's not like homelessness, where he can volunteer and go out and help and attend council meetings. Or ableism/inaccessibility where he can do the same, and picket inaccessible new builds. Funnily leftists rarely do the above, but nobody else does, either. He can't convince a mostly stupid, undereducated, hive mind country to stop voting in the wrong people. Especially not these days, where people think their political alliance is their personality.
This seems it all goes back to the 60s we protest on all these thing as you said in the information, people have to do it to have the rights to live in a better society, its a battle sometimes. Thanks for sharing this video David Hoffman film maker 🙏🎥🙂
Mom said two things made her a conservative in the late 1960s: The kind of things being discussed here, and the way my Dad was treated when he came back from Viet Nam.
My dad who was actually in Vietnam is basically liberal leaning and so are quite a few people who i know of personally that came out of that. Interesting.
Vietnam vets were used by both sides in the culture war. Never use and abuse a person who’s willing to stand a post anywhere in the world under our flag regardless of political ideology
The comments about moralism and a loss of focus on materialism is so relatable to how the modern liberal demographic behaves in the 21st century. What an excellent interview, thank you for sharing this with us.
"Loss of focus on materialism.." Thats a basic Christian Tennant ✝️, which is odd because lefties 😮are a bunch of Atheist, but Conservatives have a lock on morality
No shit !, too many, like Jim Morrison said it was a middle class phenomanon , you dont just get f up drugs, go live different placees not worried about anything, even the whole foods owner said he was just a hippie selling food to other hippies, he just sold his part for 13 bllion, but his dad owned a grocery store already so he was prepared, there are countess stories lie this, if you are poor and looking to keep you light bill going and surviving, i would guess 75-80 percent came from rich or wealthy families.
Such a shame that quality people like this man never become politicians. Just imagine intelligent, authentic public discussion becoming the norm. Sigh.
The people who are intelligent enough to make a difference are intelligent enough to realize politics is just a big mess that eats you up. That's why we get the kind of candidates we do. Some exceptions.
@@EdwardHaas-iz3mi I can understand your view from an ideal democratic standpoint i.e. we deserve what we have voted for. But wicked, clever people can (and do) exploit our vulnerabilities: few people have the ability to avoid thinking irrationally, and nobody can do this all of the time;(cf Lincoln), just as machines can be hacked, so can human nature -- and there are virtuosos aplenty of this dark art.
@@melancholiac It was not an "ideal" but the results of what happens when there is apathy about leadership. Americans are not aware of their power and the effect they have on the rest of the world. In 2016 we got Trump, but we needed Hillary. The results was the most corrupt presidency in American only exceeded by it's ineptitude. Over 1 million Americans are dead because of Trump's poor leadership in a time of crisis.
Liberals have been fighting for, "personal identity" freedoms since the renaissance when they wanted to stop the catholic church from cracking down on religious minorities, nowadays it's more about ethnic and sexual minorities because the catholics aren't as powerful in the US.
American politics died inside when Robert Kennedy was shot. Many people just gave up. All the things that the government was doing under Eisenhower and Kennedy to face the Soviet Union and fight the good fight we continued to do, and do well, and do with all our heart. But the part of American politics that provided new direction for the country died, until it was reawakened on the Liberal side by Obama. But there is another reason that Liberals lost their connection with the working class in the more rural parts of the country. Which is that historically, in every civilization, the rural poor tend to be very conservative. It was only when Republicans represented the victorious North in the Civil War that the rural poor in the South supported the Democrat Party. Once that was distant history, their support for the now Liberal Democrats would inevitable wane. But in the more urban parts of the country- New York, LA, San Francisco- the working class is still Liberal.
Those interviews age like good wine. How did you get them to talk in such a long coherent monologue? Was that generally more common then or is it because they knew you would not interrupt their train of thoughts after three sentences?
It's my style. I was genuinely interested in what "the other guy" thinks and feels and not in what I thought and felt. For each interview, I put my feelings aside and went into the mind and the heart of the person I was speaking with. David Hoffman filmmaker
@@billyb4790 Nah, that take is too simple. And the podcast landscape clearly tells the opposite. And in a weird way, this fits on today's TH-cam better than into TV, because there is more room for niches in non-linear media and unlimited broadcasting time. There is however a limit in attention, and formats are optimized for that, as are the people interviewed.
He was blaming slavery which was already abolished for about 100 years. It still gets brought up the same way. At one point he describes Nixon as quite liberal. That would be an explanation of why it was difficult to choose. Interesting he also talked about the "typical" liberal was an upper middle class white family. It reminds me of the people at Martha's Vineyard who vote for open borders but when some of those migrants come to their neighborhood they can't bus them away fast enough.
"Open borders" is a nonsense scare term created by right-wing'ers. Unless you mean by "open borders" a belief migrants should have the right to apply for asylum in the US. Because that's what the people bused to MV were doing.
That's because it's relevant. Slavery might've ended long ago, but the disenfranchisement continued (some might argue continues) long after. There were many cases of "government handouts" which amounted at one point or another to free land, cheaper homes, or other social guarantees which were denied to black Americans. This is what people are talking about when they mention "generational wealth" and its contribution to racial inequalities. Granted, plenty of white people in and along the poverty line these days, but they have not faced the same historical disadvantages on a societal level that black people did.
There was a Doonesbury cartoon in the 1970s that had one of the college students working over his summer vacation at a construction site. He took the job to hand out pamphlets to his fellow workers informing them about the wonders of the communist ideal and to educate them on how a worker's party would give them more control over the economy and what they produced. The final panel/punchline of course was the fact that these were skilled american union workers engaged in a trade that paid MUCH more than what our young idealist hoped to make in his near future.
David all of your 1989 interviews subjects are very interesting to listen to. Jack Beatty come across as I call it as I see it kind of guy. Thanks for these interviews clips David Hoffman 😊👍
I usually think of the Liberal Democrats as having abandoned labor around the Clinton years, but it’s interesting to think that it started decades before that.
I think you are much closer to being correct. This was a time after Reagan where unions had lost much money and power and Clinton was likely the first democratic nominee to be financed more by corporations than unions in quite some time, if ever.. Even then, though Clinton championed NAFTA, far more republicans voted for it's passage than democrats. I see things a bit differently than this gentleman. He doesn't give the republicans the credit, or in my view the blame for all their race baiting, religious extremist pandering, dirty foreign policy and propagandist wedge issues here. The success of this propaganda greatly contributed to the working class also leaving the democrats, at least as much as the democrats leaving them. Had they not bailed due to this social issue propaganda, we might have drug the democrats back to these issues far more effectively, certainly far more effectively at that time than will ever be possible with republicans.
Not a single thing that you have today (40 hour work week, women's rights, desegregation, etc.) was accomplished by asking nicely. All of that was paid for in picket signs and blood.
@@bruceb5481 40 hour work week was introduced in the U.S. and elsewhere during the early 20th century in response to massive labor demonstrations demanding better pay, time off to rest and recouperate, etc. Etc. Those demonstrations were often bloodbaths if they were big enough, especially in the late 19th century coal miner strikes out in the Midwest. Cops and private security guards hired by the owners of these companies killed some protestors. Have you forgotten the riots and demonstrations that led to the civil rights act and repealing of Jim crow laws? All of that happened because enough people got up and scared the ruling elite (or in some cases changed their hearts and minds though rare) about how working class and middle class people were to be treated. The same goes for the women's suffrage movement and the civil rights movements. You are very ignorant of history to think these things we benefit from today were just gifted to us by the generous business owner class. It wasn't in most cases. Get over it.
:45 I came to the same conclusion in 2023. I just rented to a guy who lost his job in a lumber yard (project estimator) during the GFC 2008 and went to night school to get his Computer Science degree. Key point: His lumber yard job grounded him in reality; you make a mistake, the roof collapses or it is a non-profitable project and you go out of business. But he does well as a test guy for Apple He is a good tenant In contrast, I had to force out a liberal School Teacher. She was full of herself, and was always judging other people, and how she was wronged. She tried taking a parking space from another tenant, accused them of being too loud (two females, one elderly, one middle aged) Exaggerated claims to self-victimize herself Violated documented rules that she signed, as if the rules don't apply to her Glad she is gone, she was a nightmare
Incoherent explanation of a serious subject. Martin Luther King said that by 1968, the War on Poverty was already "shot down in the killing fields of Vietnam." Was MLK a snob? Rejecting Humphrey was a rejection of the warmonger duopoly that most working-class people practice by not voting, and the white working class expresses by supporting Trump.
The left's PC liberalism goes way back. In high school, in 1973, I was being bused to an inner city school to take a vocational art class. I was always followed by a group of black kids, who one day attacked me, sending me to the hospital. The police came to get descriptions of the attackers. I was 15, but clearly remember the second I told the cops my attackers were black, they became much less interested in pursuing the case. A white kid attacked by black kids didn't match the agenda society was trying to promote, even back then.
Wait What? Sorry but your story doesn't quite add up. Law enforcement at that time would have happily hung them if what you're saying is even remotely accurate. Kinda odd
@@tonytomahawk5160 When your in an area with high crime rates, police work is stretched thin. Sometimes, they won't have the resources to go after minor crime. They'll go after the murderers, rapists, ect... but not minor theft and in this guy's case, gang assault. Since there was no witnesses (a time before smart phones and mass surveillance), the police couldn't make any arrests. All they knew that they were black and were part of a gang (which was bountiful), it wasn't enough to pin on specific suspects.
@@harryc657 Here's a fact from that era. Because of the Kerner report there was a huge shift in demonizing POC even more. Because the report blamed white people for the 60's riot's. So in 1973 there were no places in America that was giving POC a pass for any reason. Especially not a gang attacking a Caucasian kid. So at that moment in America POC weren't just randomly attacking white people for nothing. Sorry it doesn't add up. It's more believable he said something outta the way while lost in his illusion of whiteness and they reacted. I'm not saying that's what happened however that's more plausible than his story. Why do we pretend these people won't lie about these situations anyway? Humans have died over that yet there's someone still pretending these illogical lies are plausible. As a native American it's amazing how quickly you people try and rationalize obvious bullshit. As if Caucasian people who value the made up social construct of race and whiteness over their own well being haven't been a threat to even other white people. You do realize they chose that imaginary race shit over even the nation correct? We had a whole ass war over this.
The right has lost connection to working class the right never ever votes to raise min wage. Check it... us has lowest min min wage in developed country. Educate yourselves please!
We live in a completely ahistorical society. This is not on accident. No politician alive today can seriously claim to stand up for "the people" when the lot of most US citizens is misery. But its even worse for liberals, because there was once a time, not long ago, when they DID claim to stand up for such issues.
Much truth here. Then the labor movement took major hits and the Democrats became rudderless in many ways. With the loss of all those lower level union jobs under Reagan the party pivoted away from the truck drivers, loading dock teams and the folks at the local plastic utensil plant to the managers and hard hat and tie set who had been the bread and butter of the GOP. the economic shift also left millions of former union workers getting their ideas from conservative talk radio hosts as they worked the night shift. Pushing those ideas deeper into what had been the Democratic party base and moving them deeper into the far right
@@JoJo-cy4tb Well first off when we begin the discussion with "you ppl" that sets me on edge. That out of the way to me, having been raised in a GOP family I would argue that some Reagan policies were far right. The other thing would be he FACT that groups like the John Birch Society, which after the 1964 election were considered fringe right radicals by much of the GOP are now considered 'main stream GOP". That MAGA folks consider their ideas 'main stream' and that even avowed neo Nazis are welcome so long they pledge support to Trump there are LOT more far right people also self tagging as Republicans. I would argue that anyone who says that if Trump is convicted he still get's their vote over a pro business centerist like Biden speaks volumes.
@@JoJo-cy4tbliterally just anyone who disagrees with even a single woke idea. You can be pro universal healthcare and still be far right if you say female pe nis doesn't exist.
If you look into the history of Progressivism it's a policy of Eugenics, Racism, Homophobia and more. Progressive policies killed more Americans than ALL conservative polcies combined and I'm an Anarchist calling it out.
Well said. And I think it was partly on purpose by the Democrats. They believed the better-educated white collar folks were the future. So they catered to their values. So that left blue collar folks with no choice but the Republicans. Too bad Nixon was so crooked. He was an exceptional politician. Brilliant mind. He could have been outstanding.
David Hoffman's written introduction to American Liberalism in the video description above is very complete and concise. To learn more about how far the so-called "Left" has moved from its only valid purpose (promoting political and economic egalitarianism), read any book by Thomas Frank, especially "Listen, Liberal".
@KittyGrizGriz That's in his first book What's the Matter with Kansas? The far in the US has always been the same. The Democrats don't oppose them on material issues. In fact, the Democrats try to outdo them in crushing the poor. Who are ordinary people supposed to look toward? God, I guess, and a pretty cruel God at that. Republicans were resigned to being a permanent minority in the US before the Democrats betrayed the left. Now, the Republicans are the party of the working class, under fundamentalist Protestant Capitalism. Thanks Democrats, you've sent us straight to Hell.
@KittyGrizGriz A peculiar and heretical form of Protestantism is a large part of the ideology of the American Right. It's indispensable, and they spread it over everything like ketchup. It is the fundamental belief of the working class in the US.
@@numbersix8919yea; I’ve noticed they’re taking away women~girls healthcare and anonymity rights. The GOP is not pro~life they’re forced~birth…disgusting.
I think one of the issues is that working class people tend to be more religious and traditional, but modern Democrats don’t play to that base. They focus more on liberal social issues, values held primarily by wealthy elites. They’ve become the party of corporate welfare and social libertinism.
Yep, I’m an ancestral Boston Catholic Democrat who was thrown out of the party, which used to be single-issue for union labor. Our last conservative statewide officeholder, Gov. Ed King, was a Reagan Democrat. Many in the Congressional delegation, state legislature, etc. were of the same mold to put a check on the Kennedys, Tip O’Neill, and Mike Dukakis. On the flipside, the MassGOP is going extinct, thanks to our previous guv, who defended the pro-abortion legacy of Leverett Saltonstahl and Ed Brooke. President Coolidge was the last true conservative Republican from MA.
The issue is that 60% of Americans don't care about politics unless it's a presidental election year. They are too self involved, too wraped up in their materialism to worry about other people or other issues.
It’s funny that you published this. I just happened upon a part of lost history called the “hard hat riot” in 1970.. it’s worth a google if you weren’t there because i wasn’t lol.
The fact that liberals started embracing the beliefs of radical leftists, began the process of alienating the working class. But what sealed the deal was the loss of the Vietnam war and the botched rescue attempt of the US hostages by the Iranians. it paved the way for the ascendancy.of Ronald Reagan to the presidency. The democrats failed miserably to heal the battered spirit of the nation, something that Reagan capitalized by his messages in which he reminded Americans that they were a great people and should hold their heads high for it. That was all that was needed for the working class to align itself with the Republican party. Liberals MAY be better suited to save the nation's economy, but if they don't emulate Reagan's messages, they won't regain the trust of the working class.
Remind us again how turning Americans against themselves, encouraging extremism and mob violence against those the far, far-right deems 'aren't American enough' is helping the working class again?
How so? Conservatives never in a million years make any effort to improve the lives of ethnic minorties or women. Private prison systems, wars, militarized police, racism, graft and other crimihnal activity is all they know. Look how many of these festering infectious sores still support thrice indicted Trump.
This is all right Thanks for posting it. I enjoy your channel. Did you think when you originally did this you would think that you would have your own channel on this miraculous world of the Internet
Truer now than when we saw Making Sense of the Sixties on PBS. Now that we're in our 60s we can feel the effects even more now of the Democratic Party's neglect of our financial needs. We are not college educated elites and could care less about equality for the LGBTQ+ as an alternative to policies more geared to putting food on our tables and getting affordable living accommodations and healthcare. That's where the Democratic Party lost us.
I lived through that. As a young voter it was very perplexing. My father who had been a faithful Democrat up to that point also began to question the direction the Democrats were going. He died in his mid 90's, but before that admitted he found that the Republican Party did a better service to his values.
@@ppss.6302 I see that you get your exercise by jumping to conclusions, and not to mention miss reading what someone writes. I WROTE, and I quote "Republican Party did a better service to his (my Father's) values". NOW, WHERE DID I SAY the Republicans had values? I said My Father's Values. Words do have meanings. See how you appear not to care, then beware of Scammers. You are fresh meat to them.
1600s to 1865 then 1865 to 1965 of system enforced racial prejudice against just about any colored person in america and now we live with the aftermath
That's because BLM didn't pop up out of nowhere. These "talking points" were conceived of by scholars in the aftermath of the civil rights movement when they saw how little things had truly and materially changed, despite the new laws. The interests of black Americans do not neatly align with liberal elites, even if they both trend blue. You can have it a myriad of ways.
Ah yes definitely the millionares who wanted to end segregation. Not like the people protesting were working class during the 60s. Cope more we did have it both ways.
@@purdysanchez David and I were there at the time, he a bit older than I was, but the sentiment was and is very much the same with most of the working class voters in the last few elections. You are choosing not to listen. The Democrats have for *years* been of two minds WRT the poor and minorities. One is that they should have the abuses of the past addressed, and 2, yet those same poor and minorities are too uneducated to know what they want. Rarely, in any of this political discourse, have I heard the Democratic establishment ask 'How do you feel the best path forward, that represents you, should go?' - and then work with those answers, and actively engage in situations where answers may be unrealistic or far more complex than can be easily solved. There's been little engagement in real world situations on any path forward. It's the high handedness of "..we know you better than you do.." that's cost the left so dearly with the working poor. Trump, for all his absolutely repugnant failings hit a bullseye, when he openly admitted that the 'poorly educated' existed, and stated then that he 'loved' them. (Wound them up and sent them off the rails by NOT acting like he pretended to know their pain - which to be fair, is honest as he couldn't, because of his raging narcissism.) That it took a second rate TV celebrity and failed casino owner and carpetbagging conman to suss out what the left has all-but ignored for decades, is what has gotten the divide so entrenched in this country. Truth is, it's more topical to the reality that you don't want to admit, so you deny it. (and sadly, that is all too common from many on the left right now..)
I would settle for Liberals just loosing connection with the working class. It would be whole heaps better than now where Liberals have lost touch with all reality.
We USA fought between the blue collar people and college students and we have almost 🎉nothing. France has tons of vacation days and sick leave and free medical care.
What they mean is that in France insurance companies aren't allowed to live as parasites on hardworking people. Meanwhile people in America forgo preventive care because they can't afford it even with their expensive insurance
@@JBeestonian Quantify when that “pay” begins. How much must one have to be required to pay? How much must one lack to qualify for the payout? Finally, when is the “payee” no longer required to distribute their wealth to the one who lacks?
Same happened in Uk with Blair and New Labour, Corbyn tried to bring Labour closer to its roots fighting for the working class and the establishment destroyed him.
American politics is too confusing for me. There always seems to be one great candidate that never gets picked. Both parties put up their worst person, then Americans often choose the worst of the two.
I watched this again, David, and it's such a scatter shot indictment of the liberalism of the '60's and '70's, with no real point, other than mere complaint, that it really indicates any conservative political movement in the USA as substantially vacant, immoral, and just plain dumb.
68 was one of the closest elections ever. Humphrey got more than half of organized labor vote. Nixon received less than 30%. More of labor should have supported Humphrey and that group did a great disservice to the country by allowing a Nixon victory. I want to believe if RFK had not been assassinated he would have gone to get the nomination but that was not a sure thing as LBJ most certainly would have wanted Humphrey to receive the nomination.
He's half right, but misses so much. He misses the trillions in wealth shaping opinion through the media, through financed campaigns at every level. Here's an example: During Vietnam there were 100's of anti-war songs on radio stations in every city and state in the country. During Iraq-Afghanistan, although more unpopular, there wasn't a single one that ever played on a commercial station. Not one. On college and local independent stations there were dozens, and very popular. But they held what? 3% the audience? True, democrats started to leave the working class during Clinton, but with Obama started the return and Biden is a working class hero. But, the left owns no media of note today. The perception is created by the right, and Biden gets little credit. So, here we are. I'll leave it here, I wasn't planning on writing a paper.
The strange part is? I'm 34yo and i'm more republican than liberal and still hold alot of my liberal race related values of unity and inclusion like he talks about? I grew up in black communities with diverse populations. Working in the city with black,white, asian, indian and hispanic workers that hustled on the subway to get to their 9-5 everyday at 6am. I just don't identify politically with the protected liberals that want to tell me and my community how to live when they don't live in my community. There's also the republicans that are nuts, so i'm not 100% on board with that end either.
The sickest thing about the campus antiwar movement was the way the sons of the upper and middle class (who had their college deferments) screamed epithets like "Baby killer!" at the sons of the working class. Just the kind of thing this guy is talking about. But we know who the baby killers are today!
A lot of people seem to grossly misunderstand the points he's making. Let's put aside whether or not his points have any relevance to the act of accurately labeling baby killers. It seems like you're saying the Dems are the "baby-killers" because they are pro-choice? The man in the video is mourning the loss of the movement that, among other things, was pro-choice. If you aren't pro-choice, then you are on the opposite side from the guy in the video. It's staggering to me that one could actually watch this video & not have that realization, actually. A gross failure of your political literacy.
@@AnonYmous-xp1ym My point has been that the Left of today advocates many things which were anathema to their predecessors of the 60s. Not only that, but have become many of the things those freer spirits of the 60s rejected. You also ignore that there was a definite "natalist" trend in some of the more back-to-nature segments of the hippie movement. Don't deliver snide argumentum-ad-hominem attacks on me. I vash dere, Shalie. Were you?
well if you're going to turn around and be anti-choice, than I'm glad you're broke and your son lost his legs lol. It really is idiotic to expect liberals to lend a hand to people that only care about our values when it benefits them.
Amazing he was the senior editor of the Atlantic,shows how different things used to be.Sometimes i look back at the political side i once felt apart of and think did i make up what they used to be about.
@@ppss.6302 Atlantic is the fringe left these days - 100% emotion & 0% logic. They've fallen a long way in the past 10-15 years. Their content now is no different than what's being spewed by the likes of MSHIV or Huffingpaint post
@@bigmedge you do not know what fringe left is. Atlantic is the voice of integrity and reason, plenty of logic, even though much of politics are necessarily value driven emotions. The matter of values, the feeling of right and wrong is not logical. Adherence to your values is a matter that logic can explore, and Atlantic is superb as far as highlighting hypocrisy and inconsistency of the right and fringe left.
I think you were missing the observation that the previous commenter is making. I will try to provide an example for you. The Atlantic is currently an organization that would tell you they are in favor of women's rights but also cannot tell you what a woman is. How can you have a rational or logical discourse without the defining of terms?
@@KatanamasterV From a layman point of view, Atlantic is an online magazine full of articles on the current things and issues, home and abroad. I read very selectively but it is like a breath of fresh air. Whether or not atlantic authors did or should ponder the question of "what is a woman" I do not know. I am open minded enough to spot bs.
Ticky-tacky referred to the fact that all the houses look the same they were just manufactured no personality no nothing just little boxes all the same.
The War on poverty almost stopped black economic progress for decades. They were making amazing economic progress after slavery which accelerated until the 1960’s. The reason being that fatherless households went from 25% in 1965 to 70+% today, mostly through the welfare state. Woman married the government instead of responsible men.
While Jack Beatty is correct in saying that the New Republic cover showed how disconnected the "effete snobs" (Agnew's words, but accurately used) were from the working masses and how those early "limousine liberals" were no different from the "woke" idiots of today, he shows HIMSELF to be a 1960s version of the very "limousine liberals" he criticized when he was almost sounding like he LIKED the riots of the 1960s which, BIG SURPRISE, only occurred under JFK and LBJ, and STOPPED with Nixon, just as the riots and COMPLETE breakdown of law has only gone full force under Biden and will be ended under the next Trump Administration. I guess goofy liberals never really see ALL their blind spots.
It is from the thinking of Frankfurt School. Abandon the salary worker (proletariat) bkz they won’t sign up to the Revolution, they are now consumers and favors capitalism.
These interviews give me life whenever I see them come up on my feed. Jack Beaty in particular gives me hope that there were people who shared my rational liberal views, once upon a time at least
This made white liberals uncomfortable back then -
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Yeah, white liberal LBJ wasn't uncomfortable at all. In fact, he was quite presient. But that Southern Strategy brought to you by Lee Atwater was so incredibly righteous. Law and Order, police brutality against blacks, like always, though. The thing about resentment is that it's poison. A person is taking poison hoping that it will kill other people. Swallow up and keep swallowing while it poisons you so that just like LBJ said, you keep emptying those pockets too.
Your have only offered a partial truth. I am a 72 year old working class liberal. I never abandoned the New Deal principles, although I did support other social justice issues as well as social justice for the working class. I am college educated, with majors in economics and sociology: and who also worked in a factory and other blue collar jobs. I have worked in some white collar positions working with people: but I have never had a job paying high wages. I would agree that moralistic puristic thinking can lead one to forget the bread and butter issues of everyday people. But that does NOT mean that ALL liberals abandoned the working class to follow the neoliberalism of the Clintons. You have oversimplified the story. Even after the Reagan era there always were and still are many liberals like me. I am tired of the 4 decades of shitting on the working class by rich, but that did not lead me to the republicans and MAGA. I want the New Deal rebuilt, or using the language of the young the creation of Social Democracy 2.0.
What makes me uncomfortable is hearing liberals or anyone else referring to liberals as "the left" or "part of the left" in regard to the global political spectrum, which they aren't and never have been. They are literal right-wingers by the liberal democracy with liberal capitalism as an economic system ideology that they support and have historically allied with conservatives to protect the profits of the capitalist class from leftists, who are anarchists, socialists, and communists. The only reason liberals sided with labor in the New Deal era was because of the pressure that leftists (see above) were putting on the capitalist class during the Depression. Liberals have never been a willing friend of the working class, and neither have conservatives. That's because both factions work for the capitalist class, and working-class Americans vote against their own rational self-interests by supporting either capitalist class owned and operated for the benefit of the capitalist class political parties that we have to choose from. The US hasn't had a "left" for 70 years, killed off by both liberals and conservatives. Do a video on that.
@@neveklund3267 You still vote against your own interests by supporting Democrats, who work for the capitalist class. I've been a blue collar worker in the construction industry for 40 years, and have had zero representation in Washington in that time by either party. Being a working class liberal is incoherent as is being a working class conservative, as both parties exist to further the interests of the capitalist class at the expense of the working class.
@@jakerivets2249 Having worked in both blue and white collar jobs, my entire life, I know that the conservatives are all about screwing over the working class to enrich those already rich. I will NEVER support conservatism and its hatred and desire to effectively enslave the working class. I am opposed to the rich elite, and as the rich have been working to undermine the working people and push them in absolute poverty ever since Reagan entered the white house. I wanted Bernie, and I was not happy that Biden got the 2020 nomination; but Biden was better than trump: and I shall vote for Biden again, even though I am not thrilled with his pro-corporate tendencies. I value democracy and freedom in opposition to any dictatorship, such as the trump objective. I KNOW where my interests lie, and it is not with the republicans.
Frustrating that it takes decades for so many to hear this stuff
The worst part is it's more difficult than ever to hear because of all the noise.
Worst part is it’s worse now way worse
When it happend people would have cared. It sprouts out today because most people don't have the capability to care and worse, do anything about it.
It gets covered up. I didn't hear a lot of what Trump said about the deep state until years later. Luckily we learn about this stuff faster now because of the internet, they cant just hide it all. I see people said it's worse, but I actually think we have the upper hand now. Everything is documented, recorded. They can't air a news clip and just have it swept under the rug never to be seen again. Recently the Biden laptop report, they tried to say it was all fake. Back then they'd be able to destroy any evidence, but now the nearly 10,000 photos and the 700 page report book is all on the Internet for all to see.
In the New World people won't have to work. They will just have to follow orders. The word "work" will be redefined by the higher party which will show all that freedom is slavery.
He's so articulate and he was discussing important ideas 30 years ago that people think are very current and fresh to today
50 years ago
More like the same patters have continued. It shows how locked into classes and problems people make themselves
And he was working as a truck driver
It's an excellent example of early Republican dog whistles...Serious, before Evangicals moved in waving the Bible, followed today by Nationalist. It's early Atwater.
The war on drugs and the war on poverty were both devastating to black people.
Welfare was equally devastating to black families
@@monica1811 More blacks ended up in poverty following Clinton's massive welfare reform law than had been in poverty prior. Even he now admits it. Get your facts straight. Stop listening to propaganda.
Those wars are dog whistles
So is "Welfare".. That stuff is what keeps our economy moving. These programs started in the 30s because if you can't buy stuff, you can't make stuff...It's not about helping poor people.
Read the April 2016 Harpers Magazine article entitled, 'Legalize it All' by Dan Baum. The "War on Drugs" was a proxy war to covertly attack key political enemies in broad daylight. Former Nixon Admin DPA/Counsel John Ehrlichman stated the following in that article from a 1994 interview, _“The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I’m saying? We knew we couldn’t make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did.”_
This video just described what happened to the Australian Labor Party and how they abandoned the working class. It’s obviously a global trend that led to populism because no one was speaking for working class concerns anymore.
Thanks. Didn’t know. The answer? Ah, Moderation is the answer?
@@Handle1969 The democratic processes that were strengthened after WWII across the West have been steadily eroded over the last few decades by growing corporate interests that has captured government and has left the working class and lower middle class stranded and voiceless in the political arena. Corporations own the politicians, the media and social media, so the human rights enshrined after the atrocities of the war, such as freedom of expression has now become a joke as governments in Canada, UK, France, Australia and the US try to control speech through legislation that seeks to control “misinformation” and “disinformation”. In other words, governments are trying to develop ministries of truth, where they decide what is acceptable speech. Democracy and voting is just the puppet show. The super rich are absolutely in control of everything now. This is why there are minor revolutions taking place around the world in an attempt to wrest control back over our lives from a powerful minority. We are at a dangerous crossroads.
I went to prison for marijuana before it was legal in my state and when I got out it was legal... CRAZY!!!
Thank you for your service.
Doesn’t that remove all concern and respect and adherence to their arbitrary laws 😊😊
I personally hate marijuana but you shouldn’t have served a minute in jail. That’s f.cked up
@@Mncrr or everyone using should be in jail. Looking at the streets u might be wrong
@@MikAnimal no I’m sorry. Not for pot
My God, what year was this?? The 80s?? The guy is bang on describing our reality, more than 35 years ago...I'm speechless...
That's 90s attire, for sure.
He's not predicting the future, he's talking about the same old racist crap.
Please read the description. I made the recording in 1989.
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This was how all adults I knew as a kid talked. Cohesive thoughts and opinions formulated with an informed and well disciplined mind.
@@briansaysdieracist? Against who? Rich, white leftists?
This bloke speaks so much accurate truth.
Probably the best analysis of the American body politic and its terrible decline.
He thinks it is soooo horrible to stop oppressing people with darker skin colors. What is so horrible about that?
I miss those days. I was 10 back then, and I remember the feeling of listening to the older folks. The silent generation that survived through the wars. They were wise, and it never would have occurred to me back then that when I got older the world would become ruled by a bunch of lunatic ding bats. I am frankly quite terrified that one of our clown leaders will take a wrong decision and have us all killed. That would have never happened 30-40 years ago.
@@ChawkletStudios I'm 44, not much I could have done. Besides, I spent 20 years in the Navy in my country. During my time in the forces I was reminded many times to not get involved in politics, so I didn't. I'm not sure I quite understand all your comment. English is not my mother tongue.
Kind of ironic that you say our leaders could have us all killed now but not 30-40 year ago when back in that time ago the whole world was on the brink of destruction with the cold war and cuban middle crisis and as you hear stories about events from that time they talk about how we were all one decision here or there away from launching nukes at each other. but i’m guessing you meant it in more of a sense that our leaders today don’t know what they’re doing, they’re idiots and could possibly cause a problem where there wasn’t even one to begin with?
@@ChawkletStudiosyou’re right about we ALL let it happen, but talking shit the way you do, you must be from the generation that can’t tell one sex from another and chugs tide pods for tik tok videos. Y’all can’t even do wrong right.
@@ChawkletStudios what was he meant to do? He's just 1 person. It's not like homelessness, where he can volunteer and go out and help and attend council meetings. Or ableism/inaccessibility where he can do the same, and picket inaccessible new builds. Funnily leftists rarely do the above, but nobody else does, either.
He can't convince a mostly stupid, undereducated, hive mind country to stop voting in the wrong people. Especially not these days, where people think their political alliance is their personality.
@@msamour Classic problem: the people who would be beneficial in politics are the ones reluctant to go there.
It's fascinating how the changes and shifts yet again go all the back to the 60s ✌
damn hippies!
pretty much when everything got messed up
@@billyb4790 One full generation after the traumatized WW2 veterans went home. That looks very much related if you ask me.
This seems it all goes back to the 60s we protest on all these thing as you said in the information, people have to do it to have the rights to live in a better society, its a battle sometimes. Thanks for sharing this video David Hoffman film maker 🙏🎥🙂
Can’t fathom the things you’ve seen and heard Mr. Hoffman. I appreciate you sharing your experiences!
Mom said two things made her a conservative in the late 1960s: The kind of things being discussed here, and the way my Dad was treated when he came back from Viet Nam.
My dad who was actually in Vietnam is basically liberal leaning and so are quite a few people who i know of personally that came out of that. Interesting.
Vietnam vets were used by both sides in the culture war. Never use and abuse a person who’s willing to stand a post anywhere in the world under our flag regardless of political ideology
Conservatives are worse though.
@@Mncrrpatriot in army is used every time he is send beyond own nation borders
@@szymonbaranowski8184 yes used to defend America and her interests only. That’s the Trump doctrine. No more wars that are unnecessary like Vietnam.
The comments about moralism and a loss of focus on materialism is so relatable to how the modern liberal demographic behaves in the 21st century. What an excellent interview, thank you for sharing this with us.
"Loss of focus on materialism.." Thats a basic Christian Tennant ✝️, which is odd because lefties 😮are a bunch of Atheist, but Conservatives have a lock on morality
A lot of hippies came from wealthy families and knew everything would be ok for them in the end run.
No shit !, too many, like Jim Morrison said it was a middle class phenomanon , you dont just get f up drugs, go live different placees not worried about anything, even the whole foods owner said he was just a hippie selling food to other hippies, he just sold his part for 13 bllion, but his dad owned a grocery store already so he was prepared, there are countess stories lie this, if you are poor and looking to keep you light bill going and surviving, i would guess 75-80 percent came from rich or wealthy families.
If you are poor and worried about making it you are not going be running around without any cares.
Such a shame that quality people like this man never become politicians. Just imagine intelligent, authentic public discussion becoming the norm.
Sigh.
The people who are intelligent enough to make a difference are intelligent enough to realize politics is just a big mess that eats you up. That's why we get the kind of candidates we do. Some exceptions.
People in high positions with selfish tactics and ulterior motives will install those around them that will encourage more of the same.
Unfortunately we get the "leaders" we deserve.
@@EdwardHaas-iz3mi I can understand your view from an ideal democratic standpoint i.e. we deserve what we have voted for.
But wicked, clever people can (and do) exploit our vulnerabilities: few people have the ability to avoid thinking irrationally, and nobody can do this all of the time;(cf Lincoln), just as machines can be hacked, so can human nature -- and there are virtuosos aplenty of this dark art.
@@melancholiac It was not an "ideal" but the results of what happens when there is apathy about leadership. Americans are not aware of their power and the effect they have on the rest of the world. In 2016 we got Trump, but we needed Hillary. The results was the most corrupt presidency in American only exceeded by it's ineptitude. Over 1 million Americans are dead because of Trump's poor leadership in a time of crisis.
Malcolm X had an interesting take on white liberalism.
Not interesting; you mean BEST.
When they chose politics of “personal identity”…. And since then nothing but strife….
Liberals have been fighting for, "personal identity" freedoms since the renaissance when they wanted to stop the catholic church from cracking down on religious minorities, nowadays it's more about ethnic and sexual minorities because the catholics aren't as powerful in the US.
Politics of personal identity?
I agree.
@@bccbaron12 Identity politics
@@wauliepalnuts6134 Yea I’m wondering how people are using that term in this context since it can be a bit vague
American politics died inside when Robert Kennedy was shot. Many people just gave up. All the things that the government was doing under Eisenhower and Kennedy to face the Soviet Union and fight the good fight we continued to do, and do well, and do with all our heart. But the part of American politics that provided new direction for the country died, until it was reawakened on the Liberal side by Obama.
But there is another reason that Liberals lost their connection with the working class in the more rural parts of the country. Which is that historically, in every civilization, the rural poor tend to be very conservative. It was only when Republicans represented the victorious North in the Civil War that the rural poor in the South supported the Democrat Party. Once that was distant history, their support for the now Liberal Democrats would inevitable wane. But in the more urban parts of the country- New York, LA, San Francisco- the working class is still Liberal.
Amazing how much things changed and stayed the same.
Those interviews age like good wine.
How did you get them to talk in such a long coherent monologue? Was that generally more common then or is it because they knew you would not interrupt their train of thoughts after three sentences?
It's my style. I was genuinely interested in what "the other guy" thinks and feels and not in what I thought and felt. For each interview, I put my feelings aside and went into the mind and the heart of the person I was speaking with.
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back then people valued things like critical thinking, common sense and mutual respect.
@@billyb4790 Nah, that take is too simple. And the podcast landscape clearly tells the opposite. And in a weird way, this fits on today's TH-cam better than into TV, because there is more room for niches in non-linear media and unlimited broadcasting time. There is however a limit in attention, and formats are optimized for that, as are the people interviewed.
He was blaming slavery which was already abolished for about 100 years. It still gets brought up the same way.
At one point he describes Nixon as quite liberal. That would be an explanation of why it was difficult to choose.
Interesting he also talked about the "typical" liberal was an upper middle class white family. It reminds me of the people at Martha's Vineyard who vote for open borders but when some of those migrants come to their neighborhood they can't bus them away fast enough.
"Open borders" is a nonsense scare term created by right-wing'ers. Unless you mean by "open borders" a belief migrants should have the right to apply for asylum in the US. Because that's what the people bused to MV were doing.
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That's because it's relevant. Slavery might've ended long ago, but the disenfranchisement continued (some might argue continues) long after. There were many cases of "government handouts" which amounted at one point or another to free land, cheaper homes, or other social guarantees which were denied to black Americans. This is what people are talking about when they mention "generational wealth" and its contribution to racial inequalities. Granted, plenty of white people in and along the poverty line these days, but they have not faced the same historical disadvantages on a societal level that black people did.
A good book that touches on a lot of this is "Listen Liberal!" by Thomas Frank.
When politicians and the Supreme Court made bribery legal, that’s when politicians started working for their donors instead of their constituents
There was a Doonesbury cartoon in the 1970s that had one of the college students working over his summer vacation at a construction site. He took the job to hand out pamphlets to his fellow workers informing them about the wonders of the communist ideal and to educate them on how a worker's party would give them more control over the economy and what they produced. The final panel/punchline of course was the fact that these were skilled american union workers engaged in a trade that paid MUCH more than what our young idealist hoped to make in his near future.
David all of your 1989 interviews subjects are very interesting to listen to. Jack Beatty come across as I call it as I see it kind of guy. Thanks for these interviews clips David Hoffman 😊👍
Thompson wrote of this often! Thank you so much for your work! I enjoy it so much!
I usually think of the Liberal Democrats as having abandoned labor around the Clinton years, but it’s interesting to think that it started decades before that.
I think you are much closer to being correct. This was a time after Reagan where unions had lost much money and power and Clinton was likely the first democratic nominee to be financed more by corporations than unions in quite some time, if ever.. Even then, though Clinton championed NAFTA, far more republicans voted for it's passage than democrats. I see things a bit differently than this gentleman. He doesn't give the republicans the credit, or in my view the blame for all their race baiting, religious extremist pandering, dirty foreign policy and propagandist wedge issues here. The success of this propaganda greatly contributed to the working class also leaving the democrats, at least as much as the democrats leaving them. Had they not bailed due to this social issue propaganda, we might have drug the democrats back to these issues far more effectively, certainly far more effectively at that time than will ever be possible with republicans.
Best explanation ever of a lot of things in this small clip.
“Moralism” more like sanctimony.
I'm so grateful for all this history you upload. Thank you.
Woah. So, this goes all the way back to the 60s?
Even further back tbh. Similar stuff was talked about after the Civil War.
"Something hopeful about those riots". What a guy.
Not a single thing that you have today (40 hour work week, women's rights, desegregation, etc.) was accomplished by asking nicely. All of that was paid for in picket signs and blood.
@@christophercarlone9945BS!
@@bruceb5481 40 hour work week was introduced in the U.S. and elsewhere during the early 20th century in response to massive labor demonstrations demanding better pay, time off to rest and recouperate, etc. Etc.
Those demonstrations were often bloodbaths if they were big enough, especially in the late 19th century coal miner strikes out in the Midwest. Cops and private security guards hired by the owners of these companies killed some protestors.
Have you forgotten the riots and demonstrations that led to the civil rights act and repealing of Jim crow laws? All of that happened because enough people got up and scared the ruling elite (or in some cases changed their hearts and minds though rare) about how working class and middle class people were to be treated. The same goes for the women's suffrage movement and the civil rights movements. You are very ignorant of history to think these things we benefit from today were just gifted to us by the generous business owner class. It wasn't in most cases. Get over it.
:45 I came to the same conclusion in 2023.
I just rented to a guy who lost his job in a lumber yard (project estimator) during the GFC 2008 and went to night school to get his Computer Science degree.
Key point: His lumber yard job grounded him in reality; you make a mistake, the roof collapses or it is a non-profitable project and you go out of business. But he does well as a test guy for Apple
He is a good tenant
In contrast, I had to force out a liberal School Teacher.
She was full of herself, and was always judging other people, and how she was wronged.
She tried taking a parking space from another tenant, accused them of being too loud (two females, one elderly, one middle aged)
Exaggerated claims to self-victimize herself
Violated documented rules that she signed, as if the rules don't apply to her
Glad she is gone, she was a nightmare
That was so on point.
Thank you for showing us this very important interview
Really appreciate your nuanced and informative, and, always thought provoking information / context.
The more things change, the more they stay the same.
Fuvkin Dog Whistle bingo.....😂
An absolutely outstandingly interesting video. Thank you David and well done. Much love from a bubble head.
The stuff we see happening now has been brewing for decades.
Incoherent explanation of a serious subject. Martin Luther King said that by 1968, the War on Poverty was already "shot down in the killing fields of Vietnam." Was MLK a snob? Rejecting Humphrey was a rejection of the warmonger duopoly that most working-class people practice by not voting, and the white working class expresses by supporting Trump.
The left's PC liberalism goes way back. In high school, in 1973, I was being bused to an inner city school to take a vocational art class. I was always followed by a group of black kids, who one day attacked me, sending me to the hospital. The police came to get descriptions of the attackers. I was 15, but clearly remember the second I told the cops my attackers were black, they became much less interested in pursuing the case. A white kid attacked by black kids didn't match the agenda society was trying to promote, even back then.
Cool story, bro.
Wait
What?
Sorry but your story doesn't quite add up.
Law enforcement at that time would have happily hung them if what you're saying is even remotely accurate.
Kinda odd
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When your in an area with high crime rates, police work is stretched thin. Sometimes, they won't have the resources to go after minor crime. They'll go after the murderers, rapists, ect... but not minor theft and in this guy's case, gang assault. Since there was no witnesses (a time before smart phones and mass surveillance), the police couldn't make any arrests. All they knew that they were black and were part of a gang (which was bountiful), it wasn't enough to pin on specific suspects.
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Here's a fact from that era.
Because of the Kerner report there was a huge shift in demonizing POC even more.
Because the report blamed white people for the 60's riot's.
So in 1973 there were no places in America that was giving POC a pass for any reason.
Especially not a gang attacking a Caucasian kid.
So at that moment in America POC weren't just randomly attacking white people for nothing.
Sorry it doesn't add up. It's more believable he said something outta the way while lost in his illusion of whiteness and they reacted.
I'm not saying that's what happened however that's more plausible than his story.
Why do we pretend these people won't lie about these situations anyway?
Humans have died over that yet there's someone still pretending these illogical lies are plausible.
As a native American it's amazing how quickly you people try and rationalize obvious bullshit.
As if Caucasian people who value the made up social construct of race and whiteness over their own well being haven't been a threat to even other white people.
You do realize they chose that imaginary race shit over even the nation correct?
We had a whole ass war over this.
The right has lost connection to working class the right never ever votes to raise min wage. Check it... us has lowest min min wage in developed country. Educate yourselves please!
Lost touch with reality…kinda like today! 😳
We live in a completely ahistorical society. This is not on accident. No politician alive today can seriously claim to stand up for "the people" when the lot of most US citizens is misery. But its even worse for liberals, because there was once a time, not long ago, when they DID claim to stand up for such issues.
Much truth here. Then the labor movement took major hits and the Democrats became rudderless in many ways. With the loss of all those lower level union jobs under Reagan the party pivoted away from the truck drivers, loading dock teams and the folks at the local plastic utensil plant to the managers and hard hat and tie set who had been the bread and butter of the GOP. the economic shift also left millions of former union workers getting their ideas from conservative talk radio hosts as they worked the night shift. Pushing those ideas deeper into what had been the Democratic party base and moving them deeper into the far right
what is far right to you ppl
@@JoJo-cy4tb Well first off when we begin the discussion with "you ppl" that sets me on edge. That out of the way to me, having been raised in a GOP family I would argue that some Reagan policies were far right. The other thing would be he FACT that groups like the John Birch Society, which after the 1964 election were considered fringe right radicals by much of the GOP are now considered 'main stream GOP". That MAGA folks consider their ideas 'main stream' and that even avowed neo Nazis are welcome so long they pledge support to Trump there are LOT more far right people also self tagging as Republicans. I would argue that anyone who says that if Trump is convicted he still get's their vote over a pro business centerist like Biden speaks volumes.
@@JoJo-cy4tbliterally just anyone who disagrees with even a single woke idea. You can be pro universal healthcare and still be far right if you say female pe nis doesn't exist.
If you look into the history of Progressivism it's a policy of Eugenics, Racism, Homophobia and more. Progressive policies killed more Americans than ALL conservative polcies combined and I'm an Anarchist calling it out.
Well said. And I think it was partly on purpose by the Democrats. They believed the better-educated white collar folks were the future. So they catered to their values. So that left blue collar folks with no choice but the Republicans. Too bad Nixon was so crooked. He was an exceptional politician. Brilliant mind. He could have been outstanding.
The more things change, the more they stay the same. ♥️🇨🇦
David Hoffman's written introduction to American Liberalism in the video description above is very complete and concise.
To learn more about how far the so-called "Left" has moved from its only valid purpose (promoting political and economic egalitarianism), read any book by Thomas Frank, especially "Listen, Liberal".
What would he say about how the far right is today; with slipping into straight up facism?
@KittyGrizGriz That's in his first book What's the Matter with Kansas?
The far in the US has always been the same. The Democrats don't oppose them on material issues. In fact, the Democrats try to outdo them in crushing the poor. Who are ordinary people supposed to look toward? God, I guess, and a pretty cruel God at that. Republicans were resigned to being a permanent minority in the US before the Democrats betrayed the left. Now, the Republicans are the party of the working class, under fundamentalist Protestant Capitalism. Thanks Democrats, you've sent us straight to Hell.
@@numbersix8919nope; don’t agree and your take is coming from a religious perspective…yawn🥱.
@KittyGrizGriz A peculiar and heretical form of Protestantism is a large part of the ideology of the American Right. It's indispensable, and they spread it over everything like ketchup. It is the fundamental belief of the working class in the US.
@@numbersix8919yea; I’ve noticed they’re taking away women~girls healthcare and anonymity rights. The GOP is not pro~life they’re forced~birth…disgusting.
Bernie tried to tell us.
Tell us what?
I think one of the issues is that working class people tend to be more religious and traditional, but modern Democrats don’t play to that base. They focus more on liberal social issues, values held primarily by wealthy elites. They’ve become the party of corporate welfare and social libertinism.
Yep, I’m an ancestral Boston Catholic Democrat who was thrown out of the party, which used to be single-issue for union labor. Our last conservative statewide officeholder, Gov. Ed King, was a Reagan Democrat. Many in the Congressional delegation, state legislature, etc. were of the same mold to put a check on the Kennedys, Tip O’Neill, and Mike Dukakis. On the flipside, the MassGOP is going extinct, thanks to our previous guv, who defended the pro-abortion legacy of Leverett Saltonstahl and Ed Brooke. President Coolidge was the last true conservative Republican from MA.
The issue is that 60% of Americans don't care about politics unless it's a presidental election year. They are too self involved, too wraped up in their materialism to worry about other people or other issues.
It's DIVIDE and CONQUER.
The operative word here Is DIVIDE ! ! ! 🤜🤜 🤛🤛
🎶 “The party on the left is now the party on the right.”🎶- The Who
It’s funny that you published this. I just happened upon a part of lost history called the “hard hat riot” in 1970.. it’s worth a google if you weren’t there because i wasn’t lol.
The fact that liberals started embracing the beliefs of radical leftists, began the process of alienating the working class. But what sealed the deal was the loss of the Vietnam war and the botched rescue attempt of the US hostages by the Iranians. it paved the way for the ascendancy.of Ronald Reagan to the presidency. The democrats failed miserably to heal the battered spirit of the nation, something that Reagan capitalized by his messages in which he reminded Americans that they were a great people and should hold their heads high for it. That was all that was needed for the working class to align itself with the Republican party. Liberals MAY be better suited to save the nation's economy, but if they don't emulate Reagan's messages, they won't regain the trust of the working class.
Remind us again how turning Americans against themselves, encouraging extremism and mob violence against those the far, far-right deems 'aren't American enough' is helping the working class again?
talk about timely now! wow!
You post some damn good stuff David! Thanks man!
Based on much of his descriptions, it's sounds almost like liberals and conservatives switched places.
How so? Conservatives never in a million years make any effort to improve the lives of ethnic minorties or women. Private prison systems, wars, militarized police, racism, graft and other crimihnal activity is all they know. Look how many of these festering infectious sores still support thrice indicted Trump.
This is all right
Thanks for posting it. I enjoy your channel.
Did you think when you originally did this you would think that you would have your own channel on this miraculous world of the Internet
TH-cam kind of saved my professional career when I was a bit too old for others to hire me.
David Hoffman filmmaker
Truer now than when we saw Making Sense of the Sixties on PBS. Now that we're in our 60s we can feel the effects even more now of the Democratic Party's neglect of our financial needs. We are not college educated elites and could care less about equality for the LGBTQ+ as an alternative to policies more geared to putting food on our tables and getting affordable living accommodations and healthcare. That's where the Democratic Party lost us.
I lived through that. As a young voter it was very perplexing. My father who had been a faithful Democrat up to that point also began to question the direction the Democrats were going. He died in his mid 90's, but before that admitted he found that the Republican Party did a better service to his values.
Republicans have values? Lol.
@@ppss.6302 I see that you get your exercise by jumping to conclusions, and not to mention miss reading what someone writes. I WROTE, and I quote "Republican Party did a better service to his (my Father's) values". NOW, WHERE DID I SAY the Republicans had values? I said My Father's Values. Words do have meanings. See how you appear not to care, then beware of Scammers. You are fresh meat to them.
You mean when he was lied to about trickle down economics by Reagan?
Some things never change
He disparages elite liberalism and then parrots BLM talking points about systemic racism and slavery. You can't have it both ways.
you hit the nail on the head . Lefty hypocricy was already rearing its ugly head way back then
1600s to 1865 then 1865 to 1965 of system enforced racial prejudice against just about any colored person in america and now we live with the aftermath
That's because BLM didn't pop up out of nowhere. These "talking points" were conceived of by scholars in the aftermath of the civil rights movement when they saw how little things had truly and materially changed, despite the new laws. The interests of black Americans do not neatly align with liberal elites, even if they both trend blue.
You can have it a myriad of ways.
Hard to parrot BLM when they didn't exist yet
Ah yes definitely the millionares who wanted to end segregation. Not like the people protesting were working class during the 60s. Cope more we did have it both ways.
Holy shit, is this topical *right now*! Damn..
Thank you. That is how it seemed to me which is why I posted it.
David Hoffman filmmaker
@@purdysanchez David and I were there at the time, he a bit older than I was, but the sentiment was and is very much the same with most of the working class voters in the last few elections. You are choosing not to listen.
The Democrats have for *years* been of two minds WRT the poor and minorities. One is that they should have the abuses of the past addressed, and 2, yet those same poor and minorities are too uneducated to know what they want.
Rarely, in any of this political discourse, have I heard the Democratic establishment ask 'How do you feel the best path forward, that represents you, should go?' - and then work with those answers, and actively engage in situations where answers may be unrealistic or far more complex than can be easily solved. There's been little engagement in real world situations on any path forward. It's the high handedness of "..we know you better than you do.." that's cost the left so dearly with the working poor.
Trump, for all his absolutely repugnant failings hit a bullseye, when he openly admitted that the 'poorly educated' existed, and stated then that he 'loved' them. (Wound them up and sent them off the rails by NOT acting like he pretended to know their pain - which to be fair, is honest as he couldn't, because of his raging narcissism.) That it took a second rate TV celebrity and failed casino owner and carpetbagging conman to suss out what the left has all-but ignored for decades, is what has gotten the divide so entrenched in this country.
Truth is, it's more topical to the reality that you don't want to admit, so you deny it. (and sadly, that is all too common from many on the left right now..)
Sounds a lot like today
I would settle for Liberals just loosing connection with the working class. It would be whole heaps better than now where Liberals have lost touch with all reality.
Nixon did what the other politicians did. But he was caught. He was quite liberal, he founded EPA for example, but he had his electorate to cater to.
And the Republicans have been trying to gut the EPA ever since.
He seems pretty unhappy about this Nixon person.
We USA fought between the blue collar people and college students and we have almost 🎉nothing. France has tons of vacation days and sick leave and free medical care.
Medixal care isn't free. Nothing is free. It's magical thinking.
@@thenarsian quit acting like you don't know what she means. It is free at the point of service.
What they mean is that in France insurance companies aren't allowed to live as parasites on hardworking people. Meanwhile people in America forgo preventive care because they can't afford it even with their expensive insurance
@@thenarsian The people who have more than they need can pay the way for the people who need more than they have.
@@JBeestonian Quantify when that “pay” begins. How much must one have to be required to pay? How much must one lack to qualify for the payout? Finally, when is the “payee” no longer required to distribute their wealth to the one who lacks?
He's talking about the 60's
Its the same in Ireland and the UK.
Same happened in Uk with Blair and New Labour, Corbyn tried to bring Labour closer to its roots fighting for the working class and the establishment destroyed him.
Joe Mccarthy was absolutely right. We didn't listen. Now we reap what we sow.
American politics is too confusing for me. There always seems to be one great candidate that never gets picked. Both parties put up their worst person, then Americans often choose the worst of the two.
I guess history just repeats itself
'Ivy league educations,got from Trust funds and Crimes'
A very succinct observation,Rapier like,in it's delivery.."En Garde!"
My parents despised Nixon. They were definitely not upper middle class.
I watched this again, David, and it's such a scatter shot indictment of the liberalism of the '60's and '70's, with no real point, other than mere complaint, that it really indicates any conservative political movement in the USA as substantially vacant, immoral, and just plain dumb.
68 was one of the closest elections ever. Humphrey got more than half of organized labor vote. Nixon received less than 30%. More of labor should have supported Humphrey and that group did a great disservice to the country by allowing a Nixon victory. I want to believe if RFK had not been assassinated he would have gone to get the nomination but that was not a sure thing as LBJ most certainly would have wanted Humphrey to receive the nomination.
Sounds like history repeating itself to me.
He's half right, but misses so much. He misses the trillions in wealth shaping opinion through the media,
through financed campaigns at every level. Here's an example:
During Vietnam there were 100's of anti-war songs on radio stations in every city and state in the country.
During Iraq-Afghanistan, although more unpopular, there wasn't a single one that ever played on a commercial station.
Not one. On college and local independent stations there were dozens, and very popular. But they held what? 3% the audience?
True, democrats started to leave the working class during Clinton, but with Obama started the return and Biden is a working class hero.
But, the left owns no media of note today. The perception is created by the right, and Biden gets little credit.
So, here we are. I'll leave it here, I wasn't planning on writing a paper.
So interesting!
The strange part is? I'm 34yo and i'm more republican than liberal and still hold alot of my liberal race related values of unity and inclusion like he talks about? I grew up in black communities with diverse populations. Working in the city with black,white, asian, indian and hispanic workers that hustled on the subway to get to their 9-5 everyday at 6am. I just don't identify politically with the protected liberals that want to tell me and my community how to live when they don't live in my community. There's also the republicans that are nuts, so i'm not 100% on board with that end either.
Sad when the real world is not worthy of prioritization. Thanks David.
They had intelligent articulate truck drivers in the early seventies.
This guy doesn't know what he's talking about He's all over the place.
I'm glad I'm not the only one to see that. Leaded fuel getting to that guy.
Say what you want about Nixon, but he ended Vietnam.
As true today as it was then, but I can't help but think it was that way long before.
The sickest thing about the campus antiwar movement was the way the sons of the upper and middle class (who had their college deferments) screamed epithets like "Baby killer!" at the sons of the working class. Just the kind of thing this guy is talking about. But we know who the baby killers are today!
A lot of people seem to grossly misunderstand the points he's making. Let's put aside whether or not his points have any relevance to the act of accurately labeling baby killers.
It seems like you're saying the Dems are the "baby-killers" because they are pro-choice? The man in the video is mourning the loss of the movement that, among other things, was pro-choice. If you aren't pro-choice, then you are on the opposite side from the guy in the video. It's staggering to me that one could actually watch this video & not have that realization, actually. A gross failure of your political literacy.
@@AnonYmous-xp1ym My point has been that the Left of today advocates many things which were anathema to their predecessors of the 60s. Not only that, but have become many of the things those freer spirits of the 60s rejected. You also ignore that there was a definite "natalist" trend in some of the more back-to-nature segments of the hippie movement. Don't deliver snide argumentum-ad-hominem attacks on me. I vash dere, Shalie. Were you?
Yeah the right wing who doesn't want their daughter to abort the spawn of incestous rapists. The real baby killers.
well if you're going to turn around and be anti-choice, than I'm glad you're broke and your son lost his legs lol. It really is idiotic to expect liberals to lend a hand to people that only care about our values when it benefits them.
This guy is no different from progressives today, just better at camouflaging it .
I hadbto watch this three times, he nails it, ive gone back over the decades to bust the myth, he saw what I saw. Humphreys under pinning bothered me.
Amazing he was the senior editor of the Atlantic,shows how different things used to be.Sometimes i look back at the political side i once felt apart of and think did i make up what they used to be about.
Atlantic is still one of a few voices of values and reason out there, especially compared to alt. right and fringe left.
@@ppss.6302 Atlantic is the fringe left these days - 100% emotion & 0% logic. They've fallen a long way in the past 10-15 years. Their content now is no different than what's being spewed by the likes of MSHIV or Huffingpaint post
@@bigmedge you do not know what fringe left is. Atlantic is the voice of integrity and reason, plenty of logic, even though much of politics are necessarily value driven emotions. The matter of values, the feeling of right and wrong is not logical. Adherence to your values is a matter that logic can explore, and Atlantic is superb as far as highlighting hypocrisy and inconsistency of the right and fringe left.
I think you were missing the observation that the previous commenter is making. I will try to provide an example for you.
The Atlantic is currently an organization that would tell you they are in favor of women's rights but also cannot tell you what a woman is. How can you have a rational or logical discourse without the defining of terms?
@@KatanamasterV From a layman point of view, Atlantic is an online magazine full of articles on the current things and issues, home and abroad. I read very selectively but it is like a breath of fresh air. Whether or not atlantic authors did or should ponder the question of "what is a woman" I do not know. I am open minded enough to spot bs.
honestly, your channel is one of the best on YT thanks fopr sharing all these over the years
Very nice
Ticky-tacky referred to the fact that all the houses look the same they were just manufactured no personality no nothing just little boxes all the same.
The middle class: White, Dominant, Superior, Privileged. A Reconning was coming.
err, is? maybe
The War on poverty almost stopped black economic progress for decades. They were making amazing economic progress after slavery which accelerated until the 1960’s. The reason being that fatherless households went from 25% in 1965 to 70+% today, mostly through the welfare state. Woman married the government instead of responsible men.
While Jack Beatty is correct in saying that the New Republic cover showed how disconnected the "effete snobs" (Agnew's words, but accurately used) were from the working masses and how those early "limousine liberals" were no different from the "woke" idiots of today, he shows HIMSELF to be a 1960s version of the very "limousine liberals" he criticized when he was almost sounding like he LIKED the riots of the 1960s which, BIG SURPRISE, only occurred under JFK and LBJ, and STOPPED with Nixon, just as the riots and COMPLETE breakdown of law has only gone full force under Biden and will be ended under the next Trump Administration. I guess goofy liberals never really see ALL their blind spots.
It is from the thinking of Frankfurt School.
Abandon the salary worker (proletariat) bkz they won’t sign up to the Revolution, they are now consumers and favors capitalism.
These interviews give me life whenever I see them come up on my feed. Jack Beaty in particular gives me hope that there were people who shared my rational liberal views, once upon a time at least
So why has it changed?