Although on30 is really only accurate for 2 foot narrow gauge instead of the 3 foot it’s usually used for, I’ve done the math and HO is 2 foot 4 in o scale. The closest existing track system I could find that would work for o scale 3 foot narrow gauge is s scale (American flyer)
@@1471SirFrederickBanbury I know of sn3 because of Hyce, but I still wish there was a way to get 3 foot o scale without kit bashing an old American flyer locomotive, which is still something on my bucket list if I ever get a 3d printer. I think the first one will be the D&RG Montezuma
1:49 Minor correction Sam, O scale is not twice the scale of OO, rather it's twice the scale of HO. O scale is 7mm to the foot, with HO literally being Half-O and 3.5mm to the foot. OO scale is 4mm to the foot running on HO gauge track due to a rather annoying decision made by the early models manufacturers, which is a shame because 4mm to foot is a nice easy scale to convert the full size imperial measurements to a scale metric measurement.
This is preservation Britomart (before she got the little steam siren, its a really fun feature), so they removed her wooden buffers and original couplings that she had in the quarry for choppers (which the Ffestiniog have been using since the late Victorian era). Also the firebox flicker would only really be seen when stationary, as the locos have no brick arch and so firing on the move is a process of open the door, swing in the coal and close the door. Otherwise you'd get leaking boiler tubes and that'd put the fire out. I'm totally not a Bala Lake Railway volunteer fireman...
I've modelled in what is usually called 0 16.5 in the UK for over 25 years and love the scale gauge combination which the track being approx 2 foot 3 inch gauge. Not surprisingly they are smaller than their standard gauge companions. You can build a layout in a surprisingly small space if you're happy shunting (as I am). I've built new bodies on a number of OO chassis and built ecthed brass / whitematel kits. The latter can work out quite expensive, well over the 100 pound mark. Still I did hesitate at £182 but it is lovely and as you mentioned I suspect low sales were anticipated and that pushed up the price. Hopefully sales have been suffucient to encourage Bachmann to produce more. Having R-T-R available should give ther scale gauge a welcome boost just as their range has for 009.
The brass paint is quite easy to replicate. What they’ve seemed to have done is adding a little copper colour to it. I use two drops of Vallejo acrylic Metal Color Gold (77.725) and mix it well with one drop of the same range Copper (77.710) and you will get a result that looks like what Bachmann achieved. It’s a much warmer brass, not so bleak.
Wow! Thats quite bizarre, but awesome! maybe use some 00 gauge track around your 0 gauge layout and crate a 00 gauge/0 gauge narrow gauge line? Awesome video as always sam
John here-Thank you for the review-as a Bachmann On30 supporter here in the US, I will say that while the prices have had to go up in the 24 or so years I've been in On30, the injection molding quality Bachmann has achieved is simply incredible. This is not the plastic molding of old, which truly was toy-like. What Bachmann has achieved is comparable to what in the past was only obtained by brass models. I have 7 examples of Bachmann's On30 Forney that unless you actually lift them from the rails are indistinguishable from their brass counterparts in On2. And here's the beauty of them-they actually run straight out of the box, as opposed to $500 brass models that need all kinds of finessing in order to get them to reasonably run. Our only problem on this side of "the pond" is that Bachmann has had to cut back on new/reprinted On30 products due to rising costs. The interest in O scale Narrow Gauge is still high over here, and with the resurrection of both the Wiscasset, Waterville and Farmington Railway and the East Broad Top Railroad it will only continue to grow.
Sam . Would a regular 00 Nem coupler fit into the poket of one of these engines . So could it be done where we get a NG7 quarry hunslet for 0 gauge scale to pull a 00 scale express coach consist ? I mean it would be REALLY out of scale . But I am curious to see it happen . Could we get a sams trains experiment video on it ? Thanks for reading , have a good day 😊
I have a Quarry Hunslet (Alice) on the way. I have a number of Bachmann On30 locomotives and plan to employ Alice as a small mining locomotive. I really enjoy your videos that have introduced me to the classic beauty of British steam.
Great video Sam. I've actually had a footplate ride on Britomart at Caernarfon station on the Ffestiniog and Welsh Highland Railway. I also got footage of it with another Quarry Hunslet on route to Caernarfon. The choppers are realistic to life also.
Finally! A model that has a firebox flicker, but no compromise on the look of the illuminated door! There are many ways to get that high shine brass paint finish. On my new-ish Hornby J15, I painted all the pipework in a shiny silver (I used old Humbrol A6 silver, but Alclad, or others would do), then you use acetone to leach out the finest of the brass pigment and apply that over the silver. By the way, you should have a look at what Ultrascale crankpins are like, as they show how good model crankpins can be (the crankpins on my J15 are bugging me currently, so I felt like mentioning Ultrascale). Thanks as Always Sam.
@@SamsTrains it was so good that it made the turned safety valves look like the plastic parts, and they snapped when I tried to pull them off for polishing, but once I deal with gloss varnishing the body and polishing them, they’ll be good.
I bought Bachmann's OO9 Quarry Hunslet Nesta last month, like the OO9 Hunslet in your review it is a stellar model, running is still a bit intermittent though, even after cleaning the wheels and pick up. Overall speaking it's a cute engine assembled to a high standard. Thanks for your continued dedication to producing honest reviews Sam. 😊
Yeah I found the running a tad intermittent too - it's definitely a tricky wheel configuration for N gauge track! It's a pleasure - so glad you find them useful! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
You refer regularly to your concerns about the price and value for money and I agree that £180 for a small loco is, on the face of it, not good value. I think there are several ways to look at this though. One way is to compare the NG7 Hunslet with its OO9 counterpart. I can't remember what my OO9 Britomart cost but I have a feeling that it was about £135. Is £50 more for the NG7 model such bad value? I think it is also worthwhile making a direct comparison with a small 0-4-0 that is available in both 4mm and 7mm scales -- the Dapol B4. You can pick up an 00 B4 for £100 and the 7mm for £200. That means the 009 Hunslet is more expensive than its equivalent B4 whereas in 7mm scale the Bachmann loco is cheaper. It is arguable therefore that the NG7 range is better value than the 009 range. You also compared the NG7 range with 4mm locos (Hornby Ruston, Peckett and Dapol Hawthorn). If you stick with 7mm comparisons, then a B4 with 3 basic flat wagons would cost you about £325 (£199 + 3x £42). Britomart and 3 Dinorwic flat wagons would be £248. One other point is that Bachmann are selling starter packs to assist with moving to NG7. So you could have bought the cheapest starter pack and got the loco with cab, 4 wagons, 4 resin loads and 2 footplate crew for £263-- not much more than you payed for your 4 individual items. Value is always going to be subjective, but from my perspective I think Bachmann have done rather better than you have suggested.
Britomart is a particularly attractive locomotive. It looks like a quality model of a good little locomotive for hauling a train of small slate wagons.
First excellent point : the functional reproduction of Norwegian couplings on the engine and the wagons. It's a great idea, especially while sold as standard issue. Superb engine, but lacks diecast, as you said. Especially for the price ! Fortunately, in spite of a lack of flywheel and being overgeared (usual British trend), the mechanism is great. Overall, an interesting idea I will keep an eye on, who knows ? I would be interested by more models, especially vans, passengers coaches, etc... in this scale. And, please, more die cast !
Reminds me very much of Fleischmann Magic Train, a 0e (0 scale on H0 tracks) train system offered bei Fleischmann from 1992 until ca. 2010. Ofc it was European 0, so 1:45 and more geared toward kids train. Nonetheless, many modellers used it as base for a kit bashing, resulting in some of the nicest narrow gauge models I know. Having a reasonable priced mass manufactured base is always a good base. Sets and most models are still easy to come by. New/new like start sets (a look, a loco and 2-3 carriages) can still be found around 100 quid) Märklin also had a similar setup ca 1970 as MINEX, but that vanished quite fast.
would love to see Sir Haydn in O-16.5 but I would even love to see the Talyllyn Engines in 009. I find it odd that Bachmann USA is doing Talyllyn but I guess they are using the Skarloey tooling
@@terrier_productions unfortunately the paint shades on the OO9 Talyllyn are way off realistic, so there isn’t really much point unless you have the skills to completely redo them.
Sam, I build a fair number of brass and scratch build locos and I can say for a fact that weight is your friend with picking up the "juice" from the track. I make custom lead weights for my engines and the difference with between a light brass chassis and a 200+ gram body on the same chassis is amazing. I suspect it would have gone over your point fine with a cast tank on the loco.
So, these are basically 0n30 locos, where you take an O scale locomotive, but use HO (00) track to serve as the narrow gauge track. On30 has a pretty interesting following in the US, though it's not as popular as it was once was. Bachmann practically cornered the market on it, though sales dropped off a couple years ago.
Nice review. I understand your comment about the cost but don't forget you can buy one of the starter packs that gives you a loco, four wagons, extra loads and two figures, all for £263 for the DC version or £348 for the DCC/sound option. Initially, it's to be expected the prices will be higher. This is their first foray into 7mm narrow gauge. Comparing with 009 is not really comparing like for like. Also, 009 has been around longer and has a more established market. I could see the prices coming down over time especially if sales are good. They likely have other models in development ready to go if sales take off.
I recently bought the Bachmann Britomart loco in NG7/0-16.5 at the Model Railway Show in Chatham. Paid £170. I have been running it on my OO gauge railway on radius 3 curve track. It goes through the points OK. I run it with one Lionheart Lynton & Barnstaple coach. Copes OK with just one coach; I wonder if would struggle with a second coach. Do hope Bachmann expand their NG7 range! Andrew
I actually think this is a brilliant idea. You can create a new O-gauge layout without needing to immediately buy any new track, which keeps the costs down if you want to start in a new scale from HO/OO.
Chopper couplings are fully realistic and are what the Ffestiniog use for their passenger trains, and they look fantastic. Yes some railways use different couplings, like the Ffesty's slate wagons using a chain with a hook on the end, but working choppers to scale are a beautiful addition to the market. It would've been nice to have a 2nd type of loco and some passenger vehicles and/or brake van for a "new" scale. Are you going to look at the Lionheart L&B stuff?
A really nice model with a purpose: hauling stuff out of a quarry. The wagons really add to the set and clearly show what it was meant for. The cast resin loads are great and add some heft. After all a load of slate or coal would have some tonnage to it. As for the loco being too light (shame on Bachmann), you could add weight with fishing weights and blue tack. But all in all a really nice little set. Beautiful to look at with ample power and those metal connecting rods just add to the realism. If just a bit too fast in a comical sort of way.
This new NG7 Gauge Hunslet Quarry locomotive from Bachmann is a fantastic model because of its detail and its quality mechanism. Shame that this model is not made out of metal and it is also expensive too but the quality along with the detail cannot be argued about it because of how good it is Sam.
016.5 isn't really my thing, though I appreciate its attractions. I'm tempted to buy UNA when she appears (having had a pleasant weekend working on that particular loco many years ago) just as a memory of happier days!
Britomart is, or was now, the name of the main railway station in Auckland, NZ. It opened in 2003 and at the time was one of the few underground, terminus, diesel railway stations. It's since been electrified and they are currently tunnelling to make it a through station.
I use 00 track but at 1/35 scale which is bigger than O gauge. Also there's a lot of accessories available in 1/35 scale if you use military kits, ie figures and workshop equipment
Just a thought: its hard to be sure from your video, but the worm on the motor looked as if it might be quite large in diameter. If this is indeed the case it will also be acting as a flywheel which will help make the motor assembly more compact.
There are a number of European Alpine narrow gauge railways of various gauge but a few have the ability to piggy back standard gauge wagons and have a running gauge of a standard gauge railway with elevation of a wagon on a wagon or axle dolly. Zillertalbahn Austria has deliveries of timber to a sawmill on standard gauge wagons on 760mm tracked flat wagons.
I currently model OO & 009 and I have 2 locos at a few bits of rolling stock in 0-16.5 so I am considering building an exhibition layout in O-16.5. The Bachmann NG7 range does instrest me. All my current stock has Kadee couplings so I was worried about changing the couplings. I'm glad that the locomotives have NEM couplings so I could (in theory) run them with my current stock but I a little sad that the rolling stock doesn't have NEMs so that would be an issue. This gauge looks to be more promising then Hornby's TT:120 so I hope this new range succeeds and we can see more stock in the future. I hope Bachmann produces the Talyllyn Engines in NG7. Getting the chance to pre-order a NG7 "Sir Haydn" / Corris Hughes Falcon would make my day
Super review, as usual, of what looks like a super model. Do I detect an opportunity for future Sam's Trains 3D printed creations, including crew, in NG7 scale? Food for thought... 🚂
I seem to recall that the new brass effect paint was first used on their OO9 Mainline Hunslets and in the announcement video for them they said it was something they had developed. Assume this means its exclusive to Bachmann.
33:14 NG7 will definitely work as a scale because it already has been for many years. NG7 is just Bachmann's name for 016.5. To see what can be done in 016.5 here's a fantastic video of a layout I'm involved with, the Gretton and Wenlock railway: th-cam.com/video/_k2wNTZ3Ifo/w-d-xo.html
@@caw25sha Agreed. It doesn't help anyone and it's already causing confusion as can be seen by this video and the comments to it. Bachmann uses all the normal names for all the other scales/gauges (N, OO, OO9 etc) so there was no reason for NG7 to become a thing other than their ability to trademark it.
That price is insane!!! Just a few years ago the price was £250 for huge, well known tender engines! Now a small 0-4-0 narrow gauge for £214? That’s outrageous!
your title would be better described as, its 0 scale narrow guage, running on 00/H0 track, I think Bachmann should be commended for this, they are a business but this is quite exciting... there is TONNES and TONNES of 00 and H0 track sitting around in the lofts of the world, this will then work on this.....this is something that "could" tempt me to model UK railways in the future.
@@SamsTrains I agree, have amended my original comment, I think one of the problems with the "hobby" for newbies is all the bloody scales ! I met a club who were having there AGM at the SVR Museum last year... the scale name was so long winded and obscure I switched off immediately ! NG7 means nothing to the laymen but everything to the dot the "i" types.
Hi just got a starter pack trying to work how to put hopper coupling on the wagon as am having trouble put it on I took the hook.off but can't see how he chopper on fits
1: It's an additional cost to the production. 2: If you want to change the identity of the loco there is a risk of damage to the paint when removing it especially if the name is shorter than the current fitted one. This is more important with these hunslets as there were so many of them and all had different length names.
Ah!! Now I know that this is actually 0 Gauge narrow gauge, it’s much better than I thought. As I’m into 00 Gauge, it’s very likely that I might get some NG7.
In 1/48 scale used in Victoria and South Australia for local O scale models. Better matches the 1600mm gauge broad gauge track and the 762mm gauge of Puffing Billy using the standard O gauge and HO gauge track if you check the maths.
Hi am having trouble finding out how the chooper coupling attached to the wagons I know how to take the hook off by un screwing the screw but I can't see how the chooper coupling attaches can you point me in the right direction please
The weight issue can be remedied by adding weights. While we all like metal construction, at the end of the day you can't see weight but you can see detail and finish. I do get the critique though because 180 pounds is a lot of money for something that small. Surprising how smooth and slow it is despite not having a flywheel, which makes me wonder just how much better a flywheel would make it.
Yeah that’s the thing - for over £180 you shouldn’t really have to add anything. I think a nice chunky metal tank would’ve done it nicely, and if it was done like the Hawthorne Leslie the finish and detail would still be good!
So let me get this straight Ng7 is narrow gauge for O scale 009 is narrow gauge for 00 scale So what is narrow gauge for N scale ? Would it be a scale . I am interested to see a quarry hunslet in Z scale from Bachman . And maybe a George England from peco in Z scale Imagine how small they would be . Tho what I am curious about is since Bachman have made a quarry hunslet for 009 and Ng7 when will we get peco to make an Ng7 small England Princess or prince ? I wanna see one of them with some metal handrails and updates to there 009 one pretty much Imagine how cool that would be .
Regarding the flywheel issue, could you tell how big the worm gear was? It's not easy to see on the video, but it looked like it might have been quite substantial, which would give a bit of extra momentum
This stuff is neat! The prices are a little steep, but then again prices all around are these days, really not any budget options anymore. I think the lack of diecast is the biggest issue here, outside of that though, and a slightly lower price, you couldn’t really ask for any more out of a loco!
1:143.5 would be almost the same as British N scale. NG7 is 7mm to the foot, or 1:43.5 scale. Could you imagine if Bachmann had made that mistake and asked the factory to produce the models to 1:143.5 scale?! Those models would have been tiny! :p
Hi Sam! I was watching your review of the Hornby HM7000 system and have been considering getting one myself for my layout and locos. However your review showed that it’s very difficult to fit the decoders into non Hornby models. I was wondering if in new reviews you could show if the HM7000 decoders do fit. Love your videos. Thanks
I 100% recommend getting pet rats 😊. They are so cute and cuddly 🎉. I was wondering, is it your parents house that your layout is in or is it you or Chloe’s house?
If NG7 or OO9 ever make a train set that's definitely when I'd want to get it It's my sole complaint compared to the other main scales like OO, N and TT; Train sets make these scales more accessible to everyone
I wonder if they will make narrow gauge Thomas characters in this scale I would love to see a sir Handel for sure I think I might collect some of this range
I'm more familiar with On30, i am canadian after all, but when B'mann initially introduced On30, it was very affordable. Over the years its gotten more expensive, they've stopping making a number of standard well selling locos, etc.., this looks great and hopefully B'mann supports its UK endeavor better that On30 over the last few years.
NG7 has long been called O16.5 in the UK. Here in the U.S. it's equivalent is On30 and Bachmann U.S. has been making On30 models for many decades now.
Yeah it’s the same idea as ON30, but a slightly different scale!
Although on30 is really only accurate for 2 foot narrow gauge instead of the 3 foot it’s usually used for, I’ve done the math and HO is 2 foot 4 in o scale. The closest existing track system I could find that would work for o scale 3 foot narrow gauge is s scale (American flyer)
@@HighballMachineWorks Sn3 and Hon3 are very popular (especially for the Rio Grade) for 3 ft narrow gauge
@@1471SirFrederickBanbury I know of sn3 because of Hyce, but I still wish there was a way to get 3 foot o scale without kit bashing an old American flyer locomotive, which is still something on my bucket list if I ever get a 3d printer. I think the first one will be the D&RG Montezuma
@@HighballMachineWorks it would be especially nice if you used the CAD that Hyce is making to make a live steam Montezuma!
Sam, I can’t believe you got NG7 rolling stock before OO9 rolling stock! 😂
hahaha!! Thought I'd do it all in one go!
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
1:49 Minor correction Sam, O scale is not twice the scale of OO, rather it's twice the scale of HO. O scale is 7mm to the foot, with HO literally being Half-O and 3.5mm to the foot. OO scale is 4mm to the foot running on HO gauge track due to a rather annoying decision made by the early models manufacturers, which is a shame because 4mm to foot is a nice easy scale to convert the full size imperial measurements to a scale metric measurement.
"A bit meatier" - That's exactly why I do O Gauge now. It's a beautiful scale with weight and detail
This is preservation Britomart (before she got the little steam siren, its a really fun feature), so they removed her wooden buffers and original couplings that she had in the quarry for choppers (which the Ffestiniog have been using since the late Victorian era).
Also the firebox flicker would only really be seen when stationary, as the locos have no brick arch and so firing on the move is a process of open the door, swing in the coal and close the door. Otherwise you'd get leaking boiler tubes and that'd put the fire out. I'm totally not a Bala Lake Railway volunteer fireman...
Do you guys have Quarry Hunslets then? 😉
Duncan has come a long way since his rock n roll days. Great video Sam!
I've modelled in what is usually called 0 16.5 in the UK for over 25 years and love the scale gauge combination which the track being approx 2 foot 3 inch gauge. Not surprisingly they are smaller than their standard gauge companions. You can build a layout in a surprisingly small space if you're happy shunting (as I am). I've built new bodies on a number of OO chassis and built ecthed brass / whitematel kits. The latter can work out quite expensive, well over the 100 pound mark. Still I did hesitate at £182 but it is lovely and as you mentioned I suspect low sales were anticipated and that pushed up the price. Hopefully sales have been suffucient to encourage Bachmann to produce more. Having R-T-R available should give ther scale gauge a welcome boost just as their range has for 009.
The brass paint is quite easy to replicate. What they’ve seemed to have done is adding a little copper colour to it. I use two drops of Vallejo acrylic Metal Color Gold (77.725) and mix it well with one drop of the same range Copper (77.710) and you will get a result that looks like what Bachmann achieved. It’s a much warmer brass, not so bleak.
Wow! Thats quite bizarre, but awesome! maybe use some 00 gauge track around your 0 gauge layout and crate a 00 gauge/0 gauge narrow gauge line? Awesome video as always sam
Yeah absolutely - that would be great wouldn't it?! :D
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
why not buy some peco 0-16.5 which has been made for this loco
I’m impressed by the locomotive’s ability to crawl properly straight out of the box. EXCELLENT!!!!
John here-Thank you for the review-as a Bachmann On30 supporter here in the US, I will say that while the prices have had to go up in the 24 or so years I've been in On30, the injection molding quality Bachmann has achieved is simply incredible. This is not the plastic molding of old, which truly was toy-like. What Bachmann has achieved is comparable to what in the past was only obtained by brass models. I have 7 examples of Bachmann's On30 Forney that unless you actually lift them from the rails are indistinguishable from their brass counterparts in On2. And here's the beauty of them-they actually run straight out of the box, as opposed to $500 brass models that need all kinds of finessing in order to get them to reasonably run. Our only problem on this side of "the pond" is that Bachmann has had to cut back on new/reprinted On30 products due to rising costs. The interest in O scale Narrow Gauge is still high over here, and with the resurrection of both the Wiscasset, Waterville and Farmington Railway and the East Broad Top Railroad it will only continue to grow.
Sam .
Would a regular 00 Nem coupler fit into the poket of one of these engines . So could it be done where we get a NG7 quarry hunslet for 0 gauge scale to pull a 00 scale express coach consist ? I mean it would be REALLY out of scale . But I am curious to see it happen . Could we get a sams trains experiment video on it ?
Thanks for reading , have a good day 😊
I have a Quarry Hunslet (Alice) on the way. I have a number of Bachmann On30 locomotives and plan to employ Alice as a small mining locomotive. I really enjoy your videos that have introduced me to the classic beauty of British steam.
Great video Sam. I've actually had a footplate ride on Britomart at Caernarfon station on the Ffestiniog and Welsh Highland Railway. I also got footage of it with another Quarry Hunslet on route to Caernarfon. The choppers are realistic to life also.
Finally! A model that has a firebox flicker, but no compromise on the look of the illuminated door! There are many ways to get that high shine brass paint finish. On my new-ish Hornby J15, I painted all the pipework in a shiny silver (I used old Humbrol A6 silver, but Alclad, or others would do), then you use acetone to leach out the finest of the brass pigment and apply that over the silver. By the way, you should have a look at what Ultrascale crankpins are like, as they show how good model crankpins can be (the crankpins on my J15 are bugging me currently, so I felt like mentioning Ultrascale). Thanks as Always Sam.
Yeah that's right - O scale really lends itself to that! Blimey that sounds like quite a process - did it work out okay?
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@@SamsTrains it was so good that it made the turned safety valves look like the plastic parts, and they snapped when I tried to pull them off for polishing, but once I deal with gloss varnishing the body and polishing them, they’ll be good.
I bought Bachmann's OO9 Quarry Hunslet Nesta last month, like the OO9 Hunslet in your review it is a stellar model, running is still a bit intermittent though, even after cleaning the wheels and pick up. Overall speaking it's a cute engine assembled to a high standard. Thanks for your continued dedication to producing honest reviews Sam. 😊
0-4-0 in 009 is a bit funky. I have the 70hp diesel. It's also a bit iffy running but otherwise stunning
Yeah I found the running a tad intermittent too - it's definitely a tricky wheel configuration for N gauge track! It's a pleasure - so glad you find them useful!
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Glad bachmann is trailblazing the rtr narrow gauge scene! Just hope this line doesnt detract their attention to the 009 range as much
You refer regularly to your concerns about the price and value for money and I agree that £180 for a small loco is, on the face of it, not good value. I think there are several ways to look at this though.
One way is to compare the NG7 Hunslet with its OO9 counterpart. I can't remember what my OO9 Britomart cost but I have a feeling that it was about £135. Is £50 more for the NG7 model such bad value?
I think it is also worthwhile making a direct comparison with a small 0-4-0 that is available in both 4mm and 7mm scales -- the Dapol B4. You can pick up an 00 B4 for £100 and the 7mm for £200. That means the 009 Hunslet is more expensive than its equivalent B4 whereas in 7mm scale the Bachmann loco is cheaper. It is arguable therefore that the NG7 range is better value than the 009 range.
You also compared the NG7 range with 4mm locos (Hornby Ruston, Peckett and Dapol Hawthorn). If you stick with 7mm comparisons, then a B4 with 3 basic flat wagons would cost you about £325 (£199 + 3x £42). Britomart and 3 Dinorwic flat wagons would be £248.
One other point is that Bachmann are selling starter packs to assist with moving to NG7. So you could have bought the cheapest starter pack and got the loco with cab, 4 wagons, 4 resin loads and 2 footplate crew for £263-- not much more than you payed for your 4 individual items.
Value is always going to be subjective, but from my perspective I think Bachmann have done rather better than you have suggested.
My ‘Margaret’ arrived yesterday. Great looking model. Runs beautifully.
Awesome video today Sam what a beautiful locomotive
Awww, man, Bachmann didn’t throw in Sam’s favorite part of any locomotive unboxing; the 300 page “Bachmann/William’s” catalog advertisement! 😆😀😝
Britomart is a particularly attractive locomotive. It looks like a quality model of a good little locomotive for hauling a train of small slate wagons.
First excellent point : the functional reproduction of Norwegian couplings on the engine and the wagons. It's a great idea, especially while sold as standard issue.
Superb engine, but lacks diecast, as you said. Especially for the price ! Fortunately, in spite of a lack of flywheel and being overgeared (usual British trend), the mechanism is great.
Overall, an interesting idea I will keep an eye on, who knows ? I would be interested by more models, especially vans, passengers coaches, etc... in this scale. And, please, more die cast !
Its amazing that so small locomotive already have so many details! Very shoking to me.
Reminds me very much of Fleischmann Magic Train, a 0e (0 scale on H0 tracks) train system offered bei Fleischmann from 1992 until ca. 2010. Ofc it was European 0, so 1:45 and more geared toward kids train. Nonetheless, many modellers used it as base for a kit bashing, resulting in some of the nicest narrow gauge models I know. Having a reasonable priced mass manufactured base is always a good base. Sets and most models are still easy to come by. New/new like start sets (a look, a loco and 2-3 carriages) can still be found around 100 quid)
Märklin also had a similar setup ca 1970 as MINEX, but that vanished quite fast.
Wow! Fingers crossed that the range is a success and we get some more locos and stock. One of the Talyllyn locos in NG7 would be awesome
Yeah I'd like that too - fingers crossed!
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
would love to see Sir Haydn in O-16.5 but I would even love to see the Talyllyn Engines in 009.
I find it odd that Bachmann USA is doing Talyllyn but I guess they are using the Skarloey tooling
@@terrier_productions unfortunately the paint shades on the OO9 Talyllyn are way off realistic, so there isn’t really much point unless you have the skills to completely redo them.
@MatecaCorp Don't forget the Lionheart (Dapol) Lynton & Barnstaple Mannings - they are O16.5 and gorgeous. Woof!
@@MatecaCorp I have no plans to get the Bachmann USA Talyllyn.. I’ll wait until Bachmann Europe does them
Nice little wagons, Sam. And I love the locomotives too. The flatbed is like a skateboard.
The hinged fire box door is a really neat feature
Sam, I build a fair number of brass and scratch build locos and I can say for a fact that weight is your friend with picking up the "juice" from the track. I make custom lead weights for my engines and the difference with between a light brass chassis and a 200+ gram body on the same chassis is amazing. I suspect it would have gone over your point fine with a cast tank on the loco.
Yeah you’re absolutely right - reckon it’d pick up better if it was heavier!
Hopefully one day bachmann will make a double fairlie in NG7 scale Sam, that would be very interesting to see.
Cheers Jasper & Willow
Oh wow that would be amazing - fingers crossed they do that!!
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Judging by the price of this one a Fairlie would be eye wateringly expensive.
@@caw25sha Well...Not over the price of a BR 01 by Trix...
I would hope to see a small England prince and princess for NG7 .
So, these are basically 0n30 locos, where you take an O scale locomotive, but use HO (00) track to serve as the narrow gauge track. On30 has a pretty interesting following in the US, though it's not as popular as it was once was. Bachmann practically cornered the market on it, though sales dropped off a couple years ago.
I was waiting for you to upload 😊
Who isn't? 🤣
haha thank you so much!
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
A 52 minute Sam’s Trains video! Am I dead?
In all seriousness this is a great video, I’m thinking on getting some NG7 stuff…
Nice review. I understand your comment about the cost but don't forget you can buy one of the starter packs that gives you a loco, four wagons, extra loads and two figures, all for £263 for the DC version or £348 for the DCC/sound option. Initially, it's to be expected the prices will be higher. This is their first foray into 7mm narrow gauge. Comparing with 009 is not really comparing like for like. Also, 009 has been around longer and has a more established market. I could see the prices coming down over time especially if sales are good. They likely have other models in development ready to go if sales take off.
We have narrow gauge track and models here in the states. Most common is On30 (O scale, 30"). There are some offerings in HO and S scales.
Yeah I've tried a few of the ON30 models - they are fun!
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
I recently bought the Bachmann Britomart loco in NG7/0-16.5 at the Model Railway Show in Chatham. Paid £170. I have been running it on my OO gauge railway on radius 3 curve track. It goes through the points OK. I run it with one Lionheart Lynton & Barnstaple coach. Copes OK with just one coach; I wonder if would struggle with a second coach. Do hope Bachmann expand their NG7 range! Andrew
Man, Britan gets all the cool stuff. I'd do almost anything for Bachmann to start making HOn3 stuff
I really would like to get an OO9 Quarry Hunslet. Hoping that I can find some soon as I don’t have HO Scale track!
I actually think this is a brilliant idea. You can create a new O-gauge layout without needing to immediately buy any new track, which keeps the costs down if you want to start in a new scale from HO/OO.
Cool! It has been done before by Märklin with their Minex series in the seventies. That was on H0 AC track though.
I have a few large scale (often referred to as G Scale) models that have opening firebox doors and a firebox flicker effect
Chopper couplings are fully realistic and are what the Ffestiniog use for their passenger trains, and they look fantastic. Yes some railways use different couplings, like the Ffesty's slate wagons using a chain with a hook on the end, but working choppers to scale are a beautiful addition to the market.
It would've been nice to have a 2nd type of loco and some passenger vehicles and/or brake van for a "new" scale.
Are you going to look at the Lionheart L&B stuff?
Hi Sam, Nice review, very nice engine 🚂, , All the best Brian 😃
A really nice model with a purpose: hauling stuff out of a quarry. The wagons really add to the set and clearly show what it was meant for. The cast resin loads are great and add some heft. After all a load of slate or coal would have some tonnage to it. As for the loco being too light (shame on Bachmann), you could add weight with fishing weights and blue tack. But all in all a really nice little set. Beautiful to look at with ample power and those metal connecting rods just add to the realism. If just a bit too fast in a comical sort of way.
That's so amazing review sam
Thanks Justin!
This new NG7 Gauge Hunslet Quarry locomotive from Bachmann is a fantastic model because of its detail and its quality mechanism. Shame that this model is not made out of metal and it is also expensive too but the quality along with the detail cannot be argued about it because of how good it is Sam.
Thanks Bryan - yeah that's right, very very nicely put together! Yeah it's pricey, but equally a good model!
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
016.5 isn't really my thing, though I appreciate its attractions. I'm tempted to buy UNA when she appears (having had a pleasant weekend working on that particular loco many years ago) just as a memory of happier days!
Very lovely stuff! 👍 Welsh locomotives 🏴 are real lookers!
Britomart is, or was now, the name of the main railway station in Auckland, NZ. It opened in 2003 and at the time was one of the few underground, terminus, diesel railway stations. It's since been electrified and they are currently tunnelling to make it a through station.
And both named after the ship, presumably.
I use 00 track but at 1/35 scale which is bigger than O gauge.
Also there's a lot of accessories available in 1/35 scale if you use military kits, ie figures and workshop equipment
Just a thought: its hard to be sure from your video, but the worm on the motor looked as if it might be quite large in diameter. If this is indeed the case it will also be acting as a flywheel which will help make the motor assembly more compact.
From memory it wasn’t particularly large - the loco behaved like it had a substantial flywheel, so it’s odd… just a very very good mechanism I think!
There are a number of European Alpine narrow gauge railways of various gauge but a few have the ability to piggy back standard gauge wagons and have a running gauge of a standard gauge railway with elevation of a wagon on a wagon or axle dolly. Zillertalbahn Austria has deliveries of timber to a sawmill on standard gauge wagons on 760mm tracked flat wagons.
I currently model OO & 009 and I have 2 locos at a few bits of rolling stock in 0-16.5 so I am considering building an exhibition layout in O-16.5. The Bachmann NG7 range does instrest me. All my current stock has Kadee couplings so I was worried about changing the couplings. I'm glad that the locomotives have NEM couplings so I could (in theory) run them with my current stock but I a little sad that the rolling stock doesn't have NEMs so that would be an issue.
This gauge looks to be more promising then Hornby's TT:120 so I hope this new range succeeds and we can see more stock in the future. I hope Bachmann produces the Talyllyn Engines in NG7. Getting the chance to pre-order a NG7 "Sir Haydn" / Corris Hughes Falcon would make my day
Super review, as usual, of what looks like a super model. Do I detect an opportunity for future Sam's Trains 3D printed creations, including crew, in NG7 scale? Food for thought... 🚂
I chuckled when you said "this is bachmann after all"
Not surprised that the wheels spins when held back, its so light
I seem to recall that the new brass effect paint was first used on their OO9 Mainline Hunslets and in the announcement video for them they said it was something they had developed. Assume this means its exclusive to Bachmann.
Hi. You must use Peco electrofrog turnouts and the locos will not stall at the frog
(@42:57) it looks like the open stake-side (slate) wagon is a bit wobbly. 😢
I hope they release some vans (box cars here in the States), and a brake van. Maybe even some coaches like the Ffestiniog railway. 😊
33:14 NG7 will definitely work as a scale because it already has been for many years. NG7 is just Bachmann's name for 016.5. To see what can be done in 016.5 here's a fantastic video of a layout I'm involved with, the Gretton and Wenlock railway: th-cam.com/video/_k2wNTZ3Ifo/w-d-xo.html
As an aficionado what do you think of their decision to invent a new name? I don't see the point. Isn't it just going to confuse people?
@@caw25sha Agreed. It doesn't help anyone and it's already causing confusion as can be seen by this video and the comments to it.
Bachmann uses all the normal names for all the other scales/gauges (N, OO, OO9 etc) so there was no reason for NG7 to become a thing other than their ability to trademark it.
I'm really surprised how fast Bachmann were able to release this Sam.
Cheers Jasper & Willow
I think it was more a case of announcing them late, once they were basically ready!
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
You really have to make a 009 layout alongaide the main layout
It would look beautiful🎉❤
Never heard of NG7 before until I saw the Bachmann launch video, overall though it looks quite good.
Yeah it's certainly impressive - I'm very pleased with it!
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
I think it's a term they've just invented. I don't understand why they moved away from the traditional name O-16.5.
Get some Triang Series 3 track, it has the correct sleeper spacing and rail code for 0n16.5 (NG7).
oh my god, i forgot about you!
well, glad to see you in my recommended after a while!
and you look no different! man, 2019 vibes. (i didnt have an account back then btw)
hahaha glad to see you back - thanks for dropping in!
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@@SamsTrains you're welcome sam
Believe it or not Sam but the Mainline Hunslet in the preserved livery both Linda and Blanche in 009 have pose able firebox doors
That price is insane!!! Just a few years ago the price was £250 for huge, well known tender engines! Now a small 0-4-0 narrow gauge for £214? That’s outrageous!
Even for Bachman that’s just mind boggling
I agree entirely! It’s crazy out there!
Good day Sam if you haven't yet maybe think about reviewing the Bachmann baldwin 2-4-4-2 skookum on30 model.
Very nice narrow gauge engine and good rating and review Sam 47:27
29:03 It might be possible to test the speaker with a pair of crocodile clips, although a bit fiddly I'd imagine.
The firebox door can open/close? Thats so cool!
your title would be better described as, its 0 scale narrow guage, running on 00/H0 track, I think Bachmann should be commended for this, they are a business but this is quite exciting... there is TONNES and TONNES of 00 and H0 track sitting around in the lofts of the world, this will then work on this.....this is something that "could" tempt me to model UK railways in the future.
It’s not misleading - it’s exactly what I said it was - and Bachmann should indeed be commended!
@@SamsTrains I agree, have amended my original comment, I think one of the problems with the "hobby" for newbies is all the bloody scales ! I met a club who were having there AGM at the SVR Museum last year... the scale name was so long winded and obscure I switched off immediately ! NG7 means nothing to the laymen but everything to the dot the "i" types.
The scale almost reminds me of On30 even though there are not the same, it's very interesting Sam.
Cheers Jasper & Willow
Yeah it's basically the same as ON30, just a tad larger!
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Hi Sam,
If you like this scale, please review a Lionheart Trains Lynton & Barnstaple Manning Wardle 2-6-2T - they are ace, diecast and heavy!!!!!!
Hi just got a starter pack trying to work how to put hopper coupling on the wagon as am having trouble put it on I took the hook.off but can't see how he chopper on fits
As always excellent video. Incidentally, why are etched name plates always extras, and never already fitted?
That's a really good point.
1: It's an additional cost to the production. 2: If you want to change the identity of the loco there is a risk of damage to the paint when removing it especially if the name is shorter than the current fitted one. This is more important with these hunslets as there were so many of them and all had different length names.
Sam,
thank you for this review.
So, now I will order mine then.
Best wishes
Dirk
Thanks Dirk - yeah it gets a thumbs up from me!
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Ah!! Now I know that this is actually 0 Gauge narrow gauge, it’s much better than I thought. As I’m into 00 Gauge, it’s very likely that I might get some NG7.
I can't gage whether I like it or not. Great review, Jersey Bill
I remember Fleischmann did have a narrow cage on H0 scale tracks
I think it was called the Magic Train system when introduced around 1990.
@@johnd8892 thank you I didn't remember its name
Over in Australia we have some On30 Puffing Billy Models.
In 1/48 scale used in Victoria and South Australia for local O scale models. Better matches the 1600mm gauge broad gauge track and the 762mm gauge of Puffing Billy using the standard O gauge and HO gauge track if you check the maths.
Hi am having trouble finding out how the chooper coupling attached to the wagons I know how to take the hook off by un screwing the screw but I can't see how the chooper coupling attaches can you point me in the right direction please
The weight issue can be remedied by adding weights. While we all like metal construction, at the end of the day you can't see weight but you can see detail and finish. I do get the critique though because 180 pounds is a lot of money for something that small.
Surprising how smooth and slow it is despite not having a flywheel, which makes me wonder just how much better a flywheel would make it.
Yeah that’s the thing - for over £180 you shouldn’t really have to add anything. I think a nice chunky metal tank would’ve done it nicely, and if it was done like the Hawthorne Leslie the finish and detail would still be good!
So let me get this straight
Ng7 is narrow gauge for O scale
009 is narrow gauge for 00 scale
So what is narrow gauge for N scale ? Would it be a scale . I am interested to see a quarry hunslet in Z scale from Bachman . And maybe a George England from peco in Z scale
Imagine how small they would be . Tho what I am curious about is since Bachman have made a quarry hunslet for 009 and Ng7 when will we get peco to make an Ng7 small England Princess or prince ? I wanna see one of them with some metal handrails and updates to there 009 one pretty much
Imagine how cool that would be .
Amazing locomotive, Sam! 🚂🚂🚂🚂
Thank you!! :D
@@SamsTrains np! 🚂🚂🚂🚂
Regarding the flywheel issue, could you tell how big the worm gear was? It's not easy to see on the video, but it looked like it might have been quite substantial, which would give a bit of extra momentum
This stuff is neat! The prices are a little steep, but then again prices all around are these days, really not any budget options anymore. I think the lack of diecast is the biggest issue here, outside of that though, and a slightly lower price, you couldn’t really ask for any more out of a loco!
1:143.5 would be almost the same as British N scale. NG7 is 7mm to the foot, or 1:43.5 scale. Could you imagine if Bachmann had made that mistake and asked the factory to produce the models to 1:143.5 scale?! Those models would have been tiny! :p
Haha apologies - I just mis spoke, I know what scale it is 😂
It would be neat to see this loco next to its standard gauge counterparts... John
Hi Sam! I was watching your review of the Hornby HM7000 system and have been considering getting one myself for my layout and locos. However your review showed that it’s very difficult to fit the decoders into non Hornby models. I was wondering if in new reviews you could show if the HM7000 decoders do fit. Love your videos. Thanks
Fantastic video really enjoy it 😊👍🤩😁😎😀
Thanks so much Sam!
Am thinking of getting one of the starter packs
That is a beautifully painted model.
It really is!
I 100% recommend getting pet rats 😊. They are so cute and cuddly 🎉. I was wondering, is it your parents house that your layout is in or is it you or Chloe’s house?
hahaha pet rats?! We're currently trying to save up for a place of our own!!
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Did Sam mention pet rats? I missed that.
@@SamsTrains You're gonna need a seriously big spare room when you get your own place.
looks like the rolling stock can only couple one way?
Yes that’s right!
If NG7 or OO9 ever make a train set that's definitely when I'd want to get it
It's my sole complaint compared to the other main scales like OO, N and TT; Train sets make these scales more accessible to everyone
oooo more kitbashing possibilities for the On30 modellers like me in the US!
I wonder if they will make narrow gauge Thomas characters in this scale I would love to see a sir Handel for sure I think I might collect some of this range
I'm more familiar with On30, i am canadian after all, but when B'mann initially introduced On30, it was very affordable. Over the years its gotten more expensive, they've stopping making a number of standard well selling locos, etc.., this looks great and hopefully B'mann supports its UK endeavor better that On30 over the last few years.
Yeah it's the same idea - though ON30 is 1:48, this is slightly larger than that!
Thanks for watching - Sam :)